I bought one and love it! Great decision for many of the reasons you stated but until it turned into my daily driver because it was soooo much fun to drive and I feel so much safer in it did I fully realize the difference between the future in the car world. Updates are great, the thought put into the design futures, etc. the list continues to grow. Congrats to Elon and his team! First time EV owner and very happy with my purchase 🎉
The 2014 Model S 60 did and does 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, not 6.5. There WAS a 40kw car and it was slower. The 0-60 was quoted as 5.2 on the 60kw car I believe. I own one.
remember to upgrade the hardware in the infotainment system if you want to be able to have the same modern features as newer Teslas. It's cost is probably still around $2500. What do you want the fastest possible charge maybe you have to upgrade that part also do you want autopilot check so The Tesla S you buy supports it
if you're buying used pay the premium and buy a model s within the 8 year unlimited mile full powertrain and battery warranty it would cost you just a bit more but would save you a tremendous amount of headache
or you buy a used one that has just had the batteries replaced, maybe the engines too electric motor on a old Tesla s apparently does not last as many miles as, for example, a diesel engine. So you probably shouldn't buy a Tesla S with more than 124,000 miles unless the engines have been replaced on it
As a previous owner of a 2013 Model S, dont listen to this advice. Door handles, windows, issues with bubbling on display and computer sunroof seal,, chargeport issues, and two drive units. I had 150,000 miles on it, but had to get rid of it because it was turning into a money pit. The Model S may look nicer, but there are less repairs and cheaper parts for the Model 3.
It’s not necessarily that m3 has cheaper parts. Because they are not. It’s just that there will be warranty on it. I recently took my ms in to replace door handle that did last 10 years. And I got a m3 loaner and I got to say it was a total downgrade. I felt like it’s a car teenage girls drive
I bought a used 2013 in 2016 and it is awesome. P85 will still charge to 230 mi and everyone that gets in that has never been in a Tesla thinks the big screen and acceleration are Amazing. Have 111k on it. Awesome car!
As a Tesla service technician I would Never pick a old model s over a new model 3 even though Tesla vision not fully supported still better than dealing with a old model S problems good info though
There are those who think that the Tesla 3 is more fun to drive. It is also available with a towbar, if you want a Tesla S with a towbar, you have to buy a model manufactured after 2022, I think. In other words, a towbar that is approved for towing, for example, a trailer or caravan
The presenting door handles are a cute but poor design for cold climates. They ice up . Same with the windows . The windows are supposed to go down a half inch to open the door . The work around is ; turn on cabin heat for 10 minutes before you plan to drive . I keep a bottle of isopropyl and a toothbrush in the frunk.
I see that the Infotainment system on your Tesla S is slow, it probably needs to be upgraded to MCU2. Someone claimed that Tesla also replaced the screen itself. Then you get support for Netflix, for example
Mainly just want we discussed with the door handles/sunroof. Obviously the battery is the biggest thing, but once it’s been replaced/refurbished, you could get a long time out of it
Air conditioner condenser (slow leak), door handles, window regulators, ptc heater (erratic internal thermocouple), broken rear motor mount, suspension ball joints, minor creaks and squeaks.
The infotainment system is perhaps what makes the car perceived as modern or not. so an old Tesla that hasn't had its hardware upgraded might not be perceived as particularly modern today? at least maybe not for those who have followed the development
So you think full electric cars are a better buy than a hybrid or a fuel efficient gas car? Do you think the risk of replacing a battery makes buying used electric cars less attractive?
I think the biggest risk for a used electric car is the risk of the battery going out. Additionally, I don’t think electric cars are for everyone. They are good for certain people/lifestyles, but I think the push to make all cars electric is horrible
I'd have to agree, I was looking at an electric car but the potential cost of a battery replacement after 10 years basically negates all fuel savings. I'm not a fan of the push for all electric cars either. Doesn't sound like a well thought out plan lol
Tesla S with the new design I think it came in 2016 or 2017. Then maybe the computer in the car will be faster too, especially if you buy one that was manufactured after 2018. Or who have had their hardware upgraded
I was casually looking at a used model S, called my insurance provider in FL and the quote was outrageous. As much as I would love a Tesla, the insurance rates in FL are so bad, that is a deal breaker for me.
That’s interesting. I wonder why the rates were so high considering the Tesla probably has a lot more safety features than most other cars from the same year
@@the_chooches I thought the same. I think it’s due to the fact that Teslas are very expensive to repair after accidents and therefore they will total out vehicles more often. That’s just a wild guess though. All I can tell you is that what I was quoted for insurance far exceeded double what I currently pay for a 2019 Subaru Forester. For reference I was looking at a 2015 Model S and it was not the performance.
@@YonatanGemmiyour insurance rate is solely dependent on the company. Try Plymouth Rock Assurance. I started getting rates of $10,000 a year all the way down to $2000 a year with full coverage as a 22 year old and 6 years of perfect driving. Call around as much as you can, it’ll save you a lot.
Always buy new - or at least newer. The older cars charge so slowww. Not really an issue charging in your garage at home overnight, but at the supercharger it’s like watching paint dry.
A new Model 3 gives you a new warranty and you don't have to worry about the trouble getting replacement parts, which Tesla makes difficult, and battery degradation. Since Tesla's are basically computers on wheels, they are hard to fix, and Tesla only allows authorized repair shops that have taken their training courses to get access to parts and diagnostic tools, so it is hard to find repair shops for the Model S. There are no outside companies making parts and publishing repair manuals for the Model S, so I would be leery about buying an old Model S. Tesla continuously upgrades parts, so there aren't yearly model numbers, and the limited production for the Model S means that no outside supplier is going to ever make parts for the Model S, so you can only get parts from junked units. It simply isn't worth the cost of replacing the battery if it fails, since it will cost more than the car is worth. Doing repair on an aluminum body is also very expensive. If you are a DIYer, you should stay away from the Model S (see Rich Rebuilds' videos). For $20K, I can see why people might consider buying a used Model S, since it is still a fantastic car, but people should be aware of the problems repairing it.
With the federal tax rebate ending, you could buy an early S & replace the batter for less than a model 3. Obviously there are still things that can go wrong with the S that may cost more vs a new car under warranty, but the S feels a lot more “high end” over a model 3.
Sure hasn't been my experience. I purchased a 2013 Model S P85 with 127K miles for my granddaughter in March for $8K. 3 months and less than 1000 miles later, the car is a brick with no main battery. Tesla quotes $15645 for a rebuilt that only has a 30 day warranty. $22k for new. Absolutely the worst car buying experience I've ever had. And now what do I do with that brick ? Make it a lawn ornament? If you buy a used Tesla- beware. No way to predict this that I know of, same holds true for the motors.
That’s an unfortunate situation. Out of curiosity, did you look into any of the aftermarket companies that can rebuild the batteries? I’m sure it’s still expensive, but I imagine it would be less than getting one directly from Tesla.
@the_chooches don't forget, motors also will need to be replaced eventually. That's another 6k.. might not be the best idea to buy older electric cars. I say just get a used lexus, trouble free for 300k miles..
I bought one and love it! Great decision for many of the reasons you stated but until it turned into my daily driver because it was soooo much fun to drive and I feel so much safer in it did I fully realize the difference between the future in the car world. Updates are great, the thought put into the design futures, etc. the list continues to grow. Congrats to Elon and his team! First time EV owner and very happy with my purchase 🎉
My is a P85D BTW😊
@@user-gb8mh8kb6ois it quick and does that one have awd? Any tips on getting one ? Looking at a 2014
The 2014 Model S 60 did and does 0-60 in 5.0 seconds, not 6.5. There WAS a 40kw car and it was slower. The 0-60 was quoted as 5.2 on the 60kw car I believe. I own one.
remember to upgrade the hardware in the infotainment system if you want to be able to have the same modern features as newer Teslas. It's cost is probably still around $2500. What do you want the fastest possible charge maybe you have to upgrade that part also do you want autopilot check so The Tesla S you buy supports it
Please be careful with the 2012-2014 models having bad batteries. I'd opt for a 2015 and later.
why? what changed?
Just a heads up, you can fit 3 smaller car seats in the s
if you're buying used pay the premium and buy a model s within the 8 year unlimited mile full powertrain and battery warranty it would cost you just a bit more but would save you a tremendous amount of headache
Unlimited miles? I thought it was like 120k
or you buy a used one that has just had the batteries replaced, maybe the engines too
electric motor on a old Tesla s apparently does not last as many miles as, for example, a diesel engine. So you probably shouldn't buy a Tesla S with more than 124,000 miles unless the engines have been replaced on it
As a previous owner of a 2013 Model S, dont listen to this advice. Door handles, windows, issues with bubbling on display and computer sunroof seal,, chargeport issues, and two drive units. I had 150,000 miles on it, but had to get rid of it because it was turning into a money pit. The Model S may look nicer, but there are less repairs and cheaper parts for the Model 3.
I address a handful of these concerns in the video…
It’s not necessarily that m3 has cheaper parts. Because they are not. It’s just that there will be warranty on it. I recently took my ms in to replace door handle that did last 10 years. And I got a m3 loaner and I got to say it was a total downgrade. I felt like it’s a car teenage girls drive
I bought a used 2013 in 2016 and it is awesome. P85 will still charge to 230 mi and everyone that gets in that has never been in a Tesla thinks the big screen and acceleration are Amazing. Have 111k on it. Awesome car!
Glad to hear it’s been a good car!
Any big issues yet
As a Tesla service technician I would Never pick a old model s over a new model 3 even though Tesla vision not fully supported still better than dealing with a old model S problems good info though
Thanks for the info. Where are you a service technician?
There are those who think that the Tesla 3 is more fun to drive. It is also available with a towbar, if you want a Tesla S with a towbar, you have to buy a model manufactured after 2022, I think. In other words, a towbar that is approved for towing, for example, a trailer or caravan
The presenting door handles are a cute but poor design for cold climates. They ice up . Same with the windows . The windows are supposed to go down a half inch to open the door . The work around is ; turn on cabin heat for 10 minutes before you plan to drive . I keep a bottle of isopropyl and a toothbrush in the frunk.
I see that the Infotainment system on your Tesla S is slow, it probably needs to be upgraded to MCU2. Someone claimed that Tesla also replaced the screen itself. Then you get support for Netflix, for example
Apple Music and Tidal are now also available in Tesla. But then it may be required that the hardware is newer
I prefer the size of the model 3 especially if you only have 1-2 occupants most of the time.
True, but with kids the Model 3 is too small imo.
“why you should buy a used 10 year old iphone with its original battery”😂
Maybe because it’s cheaper.
So what kind of repairs/parts swaps are expected for 10 years old Tesla?
Mainly just want we discussed with the door handles/sunroof. Obviously the battery is the biggest thing, but once it’s been replaced/refurbished, you could get a long time out of it
Air conditioner condenser (slow leak), door handles, window regulators, ptc heater (erratic internal thermocouple), broken rear motor mount, suspension ball joints, minor creaks and squeaks.
@@the_choochesWrong. Replacement batteries have short warranties and no guarantee not to fail again.
The infotainment system is perhaps what makes the car perceived as modern or not. so an old Tesla that hasn't had its hardware upgraded might not be perceived as particularly modern today? at least maybe not for those who have followed the development
They ended up with a sunroof on the Tesla S 2017 or 2018 ?. the claim was that there was a problem with the sunroof
So you think full electric cars are a better buy than a hybrid or a fuel efficient gas car? Do you think the risk of replacing a battery makes buying used electric cars less attractive?
I think the biggest risk for a used electric car is the risk of the battery going out. Additionally, I don’t think electric cars are for everyone. They are good for certain people/lifestyles, but I think the push to make all cars electric is horrible
I'd have to agree, I was looking at an electric car but the potential cost of a battery replacement after 10 years basically negates all fuel savings. I'm not a fan of the push for all electric cars either. Doesn't sound like a well thought out plan lol
Tesla S with the new design I think it came in 2016 or 2017. Then maybe the computer in the car will be faster too, especially if you buy one that was manufactured after 2018. Or who have had their hardware upgraded
I was casually looking at a used model S, called my insurance provider in FL and the quote was outrageous. As much as I would love a Tesla, the insurance rates in FL are so bad, that is a deal breaker for me.
That’s interesting. I wonder why the rates were so high considering the Tesla probably has a lot more safety features than most other cars from the same year
@@the_chooches I thought the same. I think it’s due to the fact that Teslas are very expensive to repair after accidents and therefore they will total out vehicles more often. That’s just a wild guess though. All I can tell you is that what I was quoted for insurance far exceeded double what I currently pay for a 2019 Subaru Forester. For reference I was looking at a 2015 Model S and it was not the performance.
@@YonatanGemmiyour insurance rate is solely dependent on the company. Try Plymouth Rock Assurance. I started getting rates of $10,000 a year all the way down to $2000 a year with full coverage as a 22 year old and 6 years of perfect driving. Call around as much as you can, it’ll save you a lot.
For reference, I have a 2023 model 3 LR
Same in Atlanta.
SKY HI 😖
Used Model S’s are MONEY PITS, I’ve owned two of them. See my older videos where I detail my ownership experiences.
Always buy new - or at least newer. The older cars charge so slowww. Not really an issue charging in your garage at home overnight, but at the supercharger it’s like watching paint dry.
Id go with a 2015 85d or p85d, the price is pretty close and you get way more range
A new Model 3 gives you a new warranty and you don't have to worry about the trouble getting replacement parts, which Tesla makes difficult, and battery degradation. Since Tesla's are basically computers on wheels, they are hard to fix, and Tesla only allows authorized repair shops that have taken their training courses to get access to parts and diagnostic tools, so it is hard to find repair shops for the Model S. There are no outside companies making parts and publishing repair manuals for the Model S, so I would be leery about buying an old Model S. Tesla continuously upgrades parts, so there aren't yearly model numbers, and the limited production for the Model S means that no outside supplier is going to ever make parts for the Model S, so you can only get parts from junked units. It simply isn't worth the cost of replacing the battery if it fails, since it will cost more than the car is worth. Doing repair on an aluminum body is also very expensive. If you are a DIYer, you should stay away from the Model S (see Rich Rebuilds' videos).
For $20K, I can see why people might consider buying a used Model S, since it is still a fantastic car, but people should be aware of the problems repairing it.
With the federal tax rebate ending, you could buy an early S & replace the batter for less than a model 3. Obviously there are still things that can go wrong with the S that may cost more vs a new car under warranty, but the S feels a lot more “high end” over a model 3.
Sure hasn't been my experience. I purchased a 2013 Model S P85 with 127K miles for my granddaughter in March for $8K. 3 months and less than 1000 miles later, the car is a brick with no main battery. Tesla quotes $15645 for a rebuilt that only has a 30 day warranty. $22k for new. Absolutely the worst car buying experience I've ever had. And now what do I do with that brick ? Make it a lawn ornament? If you buy a used Tesla- beware. No way to predict this that I know of, same holds true for the motors.
That’s an unfortunate situation. Out of curiosity, did you look into any of the aftermarket companies that can rebuild the batteries? I’m sure it’s still expensive, but I imagine it would be less than getting one directly from Tesla.
I recommend getting this car but have another gas powered vehicle as a backup
The Tesla S is probably only manufactured as four-wheel drive today and there is perhaps a reason
What’s the reason?
Tesla is often updated at least for so long that they have a hardware that is not too old. but whose hardware can be upgraded
This guy is so cute lol
No
Nope. A new car has a warranty. Batteries are 15k.
You could get a 12-13 Model S + a battery for less than a new Model 3 once the federal tax credit ends this year.
@the_chooches don't forget, motors also will need to be replaced eventually. That's another 6k.. might not be the best idea to buy older electric cars. I say just get a used lexus, trouble free for 300k miles..
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A new 3 is way better that s is too old
Model 3 is also missing a lot of these features even though this is a decade older…
Don't buy a Tesla period.