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“Im dying Doctor”
“You keep saying that, and you keep not dying”
Could you give it some wellie
Casio blade i pictured it in tom bakers surprisingly enough
BIG FUCKING FACTS MATE
That's Davros' character in two sentences right there
What kind of Doctor keeps attacking a disabled person in a wheelchair ?
I wish he didn't try to trick him. Davros finally seemed at peace. This would have been a great send off for his character.
i don't agree. it was amusing to see the two laughing with each other but it would have been a shite send off for Davros. Davros would never do that.
The problem is that Doctor Who will never end, every time they kill off the daleks, the cyber men, Davros, the Timelords, or The Master; they’ll come back again because Doctor Who can’t go on without his arch rivals and the circle will continue to repeat itself
Yeah but we don’t want a send off for davros we want him back and evil as hell 😂
Davros would do anything to live, there has been a bunch of times where he was thought dead but had a back up plan, escaped or saved
ElmoStreetside what do u mean? Doctor who already ended with series 10
Davros: you have saved your people from the fire. Never lose them again.
The Doctor 5 years later: oops.
@Numpteez *Chibnall* Ehm, err...
@Numpteez if the next writers want back the time lords he will do!
l'ornitho geek except at that point Gallifrey becomes nothing more than a joke (well it kinda is now). Destroying it and then saving it once was the limit. Anymore than it and the entire race of timelords and planet loses all meaning and substance.
The Doctor: Because the alternative is burning. And I’ve seen that. AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN!!!
Davros: If you have saved your people from the fire, never lose them again.
Chibnall: Big Sad
@@vullord666 Excactly. Except it already is a joke by having been destroyed the second time, no matter if it gets saved again or not. It's especially so insanely ridiculous that after it took an incomprehensible lovecraftian, cataclysmic event like the Time War to wipe them out the first time, the second time the responsible one is just one single dude who had a bad day.
Davros afraid, Davros crying, Davros telling jokes, Davros laughing....all the centuries of back and forth between him and the Doctor and yet in the very end, they find a single amazing moment of depth. Incredible scene.
Tremendous....
Utter bullshit.
"Did I do right?"
Yeah, Davros, you did right, creating a mass murder machine that destroyed billions of lives, nearly resulted in a total event collapse of the universe, and oh yeah the personal conspiring against your own people.
This was so silly. This is not a character that needed "depth" or "pity." He was literally the biggest monster of them all.
Reminds me of the scene were the Joker made Batman laugh.
@Morningstar341 Witht he torch joke yes.
He was por not tricking Him???? 😵💫🫨😵💫
I always thought his eye sockets were hollowed out and sealed.
Me too!!!
me too
Me tooooo
+DavijoMan They were supposed to, But Moffat change it just because can.
+DavijoMan Look up Nerdwritier 's essay on serialization... My guess is that when the makeup artist created Davros, (or somewhere along the line), it was meant that he could open them with great effort and some sacrifice of his neural network around imaging...
He was tricking him, but that doesn't mean everything Davros said here wasn' 100% genuine.
I agree - I believe he was sincere in everything he said. He was very near death, and there was always the chance his deception would not work. I think he did want to find some level of peace in case things went wrong and those were his final moments.
It had to be genuine. The Doctor is not an idiot, it would be very hard to deceive him without being genuine.
But Davros didn't deceive the Doctor, the Doctor planned for it
It hurts even more when you listen about Davros' childhood on Skaro... In the I, Davros audio drama?
Would you believe me if I told you he had a mother, and sister once? Whom he loved very much? And he even viewed the smallest life on Skaro worthy of living? Even if it was a hermit crab?
No, you wouldn't.
Because that's not the same Davros you see whenever he rears his ugly head.
That's what I love about this story. We see that even the most innocent of us when we are born can truly become irreedemable.
Davros in this scene knew he was beyond redemption, so he was trying to rationalize his death by having the Doctor, his oldest enemy, confirm that he was a good man.
It’s easy to lie by telling the truth.
I don't think that davors was actually lying here
I think he was lying by telling the truth
and also because he was sure that his plan was not going to work
and after hearing that the timelords had returned he was probably shocked and proud of the doctor.
I think that your right, I think in the whole 52 year of Dr who at the time . This is the most truthful and the most genuine,Davros has ever been he was truly dying.
+caroline-jane Hall I also think he use the fact he was drying as a brilliant weapon against the doctor
Yeah I mean most of all that speech was already planned out but he obviously didnt know about the time lords surviving so that was a genuine reaction I feel and he didnt need to say it for his plan to work
I agree; I feel like Davros' only lie in this whole thing was a lie of omission by not telling the Doctor what he *actually* wanted the Doctor to do.
also by asking to see the Doctor's face, this is the first moment when he actually realises who he actually is. In a way it changes everything bout their relationship, but at the same time it changes absolutely nothiing between them and the next time they encounter each other the Doctor will not be so forgiving
"Never be cruel. Never be cowardly. And if you are, always make amends."
Words to live by, right Doctor?
***** Depends on your point of view
+LagamzerGIRL Actually, the TARDIS brought me here, so I thought I'd stop by. No harm done.
+The Doctor Oh No Theres Two Doctors D: Wibily Wobbly Timey Wimey
And never eat pears
Is it just me or does Peter Capaldi look like he aged BACKWARDS since he became the twelfth Doctor
I thought the same thing.
Its the hair
@@atharvadeshpande6907. I know.
@@atharvadeshpande6907 and also his gradual transformation into a rock star. He started wearing t-shirts and shades and playing the electric guitar.
It's all that regeneration energy
Davros did many things to me in the past. He frightened me, scared me, angered me, made me wish to hide behind the sofa, But I never imagined ever in my entire life as a Whovian that he would actually succeed in making me tear up and cry.
This was the 2005 story - "Dalek" all over again.
Forgive me for sounding ignorent, But I don't quite see the point that you are trying to get across. Please enlighten me if you will.
Oh yes, yes, yes. I know that and that the Daleks were also inspired by Tanks. But I don't quite see what that has got to do with you commenting under what I have shared ?
You would make a good dalek
...cosplayer
Oh I see. Well why didn't he just say ? Thats much simpler.
true but the opener had an element of journey's end with the Tardis 'destroyed' and his companions lost and helpless. Hoping Missy is the reason the Doctor regenerates in Series 10. I cannot imagine a story without one of them killing the other. Last time it was 1-1 with Ten/Saxon. Hoping its Missy getting the upper hand this time
This clip was a real eye opener
-_- So... Punny... Gaaaah!!! *cringes to death*
The puns are strong with this one
+Cloudy Eyes I didn't see that one coming
+Harry of Solihull Eye see what you did there.
Harry of Solihull Should have gone to Specsavers
“Let me...See you with my own eyes”
-two of my favourite antagonists of all time
vader and davros
This comment unlocked a memory lmao
"Don't lose them again"
2020 - Whoops
Matt bruh how did the master destroy all of Gallifrey
@@lewisdickinson1122 bad writing
"Is it better if I mentioned they're technically no longer my people?"
Don't worry, it was all the work of the dreamlord.
CleanerBen oh fuck I hope so
"Just this once... Let me look upon you... With my own eyes..."
Doctor...before I die there is something you should know... I am your father!
+Mushroom Head "No.... That's not true.... THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!"
+Mitchell Radford "search your tardis, you know it to be true"
+DigitaL | Gaming Nooo. Nooo. I said No.... It means No!
Darthvros
I really wish Davros had been sincere in this episode. Actually killing Davros, and doing so in such a beautiful and poetic fashion would have made this one of the best Doctor Who stories in the history of the franchise. Without the deception, the story is a profoundly impactful reflection of the Doctor's own moral struggles, and the inescapebly long life he has lived. The Doctor has seen many deaths, but the death of one of his oldest foes, and that foe's confrontation with mortality has a depth and meaning which reflects the Doctor's own unique experience. These two understand each other, and surprisingly it would appear, shared the same ambiguities about how the dispensed the immense power that circumstance and nature provided them. Though his action's in life were at times different, the Doctor was motivated by the same principles, and faced with his death, he understands that he must also face these questions. The Doctor's desperation to help Davros is, therefore, a reflection of his own fear of not of death, but facing death with the same moral consternation as Davros, to face his mortality with the question "Am I a Good Man?" and having no answer to this paramount thought. If Davros can die at peace with himself, however, so to might the Doctor.
Davros's deception cheapens this fundementally. What should have been a genre defying episode instead quickly devolved into an action packed romp. Davros apparently could not change, and with his survival and the revival of the Daleks, the same narrative repeats itself once more. Personally I found this tremendously disappointing, not only did this rather cheap trick ruin the intense emotional impact of the episode, it also demonstrated that Doctor Who may not really be capable of evolving in its emotional depth.
Tl;dr Davros should have been telling the truth and should have died, and this really shouldn't have been an action episode.
TL DR
KoolAidMan (IronSquire) Lol the sad part is this is actually rather short for one of my opinions.
That having been said, if you had nothing to say, and did not read the comment, then why did you bother to post anything....?
No one would kill Davros off as simply no one believe it same with the master everyone knows they'll come back eventually that's why the death in heaven master death was just a quick thing as everyone knows she'd be back soon enough
You're anthropomorphizing Davros. Think about who he is and what his life is. For literally centuries now, his only motivation has been to live long enough to ensure total Dalek supremacy, and throughout all that time he has not hesitated to go to any length or pay any price to ensure it. As far back as Destiny of the Daleks, he openly said that it was not only the only thing keeping him alive, but that he longed for the "luxury of death" due to how much pain he was in. That was 9 regenerations ago! And since his accident, he has been in constant pain.For crying out loud, his immediate response to a threat from his own people to his Daleks resulted in him being instrumental in the mass genocide of his own people. Do you really think a person like that is likely to care if his greatest enemy if he thinks he is a good man? Or do you think a person like that has nothing less than total belief in themselves and what they are doing? A person like that simply doesn't change.
I suppose you'd only find a dramatisation of Hitler's final days in the fuherbunker interesting if they had a scene where he phoned up Winston Churchill and Churchill agreed Hitler's heart was in the right place. And maybe then they could form a crime fighting duo or something. Wildly inconsistent characterisation isn't interesting, "challenging" or "intellectual". It's amateurish and self-indulgent, and it completely ruins any interest you have in the character. Why bother caring about what the character is doing when he can be a murderor one week and a hoppy the next? And besides, real life isn't like this. When Goebells knew the war was lost, he and his wife killed their own children and then shot themselves rather than live in a world where their ideology was dead. When Hitler knew the war was lost, his first instinct was to ensure the Germans left alive at the end wouldn't survive through the Nero decree. Do you really think such people ever ask themselves if they are wrong, or worry about what their enemies think about them? Now, somebody like the Master, sure I can see that.
Something like the Vader twist is fine because it doesn't directly contradict anything that's been previously established. That actually adds to the character. Alright, it doesn't match with what we were originally told, but even when Kenobi told Luke that Vader betrayed his father, it was obvious that Kenobi was hiding something.
Hard to believe last time we saw him as a maniac laughing at the near destruction of the universe
***** I know, typo
DETONATE THE REAAALITEH BOMB!
+blackham7 AND THE STAARSS WILL BECOME ATOMS AND THE ATOMS WILL BECOME DUSST AND THE DUSST WILL BECOME NOTHING
+assassinxex which made no sense as dust is composed of loads of compounds which are made from atoms.
Yeah that quote would've been so much better if it were rearranged to read: "The stars will be broken down to dust, the dust will be broken to atoms, and the atoms will become nothing"
“I only wish I had....unlimited....rice pudding...”
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Etc, etc!
Depression turtle!!!!
Golden comment referencing a golden channel 👍
@@tomturner2151 Uh, no? It's a reference to older Doctor Who.
@@FalonGrey oh I see. There’s this channel called Exurb1a and he made a great video called Unlimited Rice Pudding.
I always thought his eyes had been burnt out, so he had the blue Dalek one installed
fused shut or very badly damaged maybe.
Yes his eyes were destroyed but Moffat just had to rip off Star Wars.
+Andrew Clark actually nothing was ever said in the show about his eyes.
+Andrew Clark Please take your negativity elsewhere.
Daniel Body, if you love Moffat's work then that's fine and dandy, whatever. But I can and will voice my opinion whenever and wherever I please. Being critical of films\TV\whatever isn't negativity, it's subjective criticism. The writing must be so clever to you that you can't comprehend someone thinking it's mediocre.
If Davros had died here I feel it would have been one of the best stories. The doctor and davros finally making amends with one another in death, regardless of how evil davros was it would have been a great moment for him to go out like that. There are so many villains in Doctor who why can't why of the big ones just die for once and stay dead
exactly and they could still bring him back as a villain anyway, as its a show about time travel. If they did id love to go back and see more of the renegade/ imperial dalek civil war and which faction became the bronze time war daleks. I think it was the imperials as davros was in the time war and the bronze daleks have golden hemispheres like the imperials.
@@batman6621 but davros is treated like a pet of sorts so it may have been the renegades who won. They would have robotic parts if the new who ones were imperials.
Because every showrunner wants to make a story with Davros, the Master, the Cybermen, or the Daleks…
Issue is, everyone knows this wouldn't be him 'going out'. Characters like Davros, the master and the doctor can't die. The show has to go on. That's the dilemma.
It's an absolute garuntee that Davros will come back at some point.
4 years later but truly agree. The Dalek themselves have become a mainstay enemy, that doesn't mean Davros needs to be. We've already seen the Dalek use councils and other means of leadership. Sending Davros in this way would've been amazing, especially since these two are very similar in different ways.
1:47 Davros: You have redeemed the timelords from the fire. Do not lose them again.
Chibnall: Ha ha, Gallifrey goes brrrrrrrr
Yeah, I stopped watching after Series 11
Just a shame Chibnall's episodes were all just a fever dream from 12 eating a bad pear. He'll wake up and regenerate for real next season :)
To add insult to injury. It happened off screen
The Doctor never agreed with what Davros was saying and since when was taking Davros' advice a good idea?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't feel this scene got enough love (neither did Series 9, but that's another story) One of Davros's greatest moments. Two bitter enemies who will never fully understand one another because of two very different ideologies brought together for one moment as equals.
+__davidmb Except it´s all a trap to make The Doctor give him regeneration energy...
MadsBjoern1 ´ Well quite, but it's definitely Davros baring his soul for a moment. It was never going to have honourable intentions.
+MadsBjoern1 ´ I feel that the idea of it being a big deception on both of their parts makes the emotional depth of the scene lessen.
I choose to believe the rest of the episode didn't happen or that we saw an alternate reality where the idea of emotional depth means nothing.
to be honest I thought that too but then he did his "HAHA JOKING" twist and it ruined it
ALEXAN2507 Never really saw it that way - they both have that moment together, and then they both return to their normal state. Davros believes he is right to advance his creation by any means necessary, and The Doctor believes he is right to blow up the sewers and cannibalize the Daleks against one another. They'll never see eye to eye, but in this moment, (quite literally) they do, and they repress their moral compasses and ulterior motives to acknowledge their history together.
The line “you are not a good doctor” is one of the most well written lines in all of Doctor Who.
Not only is it a good joke but it has a deeper meaning going way back when a darle says the doctor whorls make a good darlek.
Yeah that was a big moment. Bragging a bit but I had kind of the same thought right before the Dalek said it, like "hold on, you're getting carried away, you're becoming like them."
There’s no r in Dalek
@@cyberdalek615 It's understandable he'd think it does because in many English accents you'd pronounce the word the same way even if it had an R.
Darle? Whorls?
I love the line "you are not a good doctor" because it calls back all the way to when a dalek told the doctor that he was a good dalek.
Even though Davros was deceiving the Doctor here, I don't think he told one word of a lie. From the very beginning, Davros has wanted nothing more to protect the Daleks.
"Doctor... help me take... this mask off..." -Davros, wanting to look at him with his own eyes™.
Exactly what I thought
Yeah me too
Doctor: i AM your father!
That’s exactly what I thought about
For me, even knowing the end result, I feel there's something genuine about to it. All the way back in Genesis Davros asks that he and the Doctor speak as men of science, not enemies, for a moment. And that's carried throughout the series that while they are enemies and Davros certainly wants the Doctor dead, you get the feeling that he considers the Doctor an equally brilliant mind and the closest he has to a friend, even drawing parallels between them.
It's insane, but so is Davros.
Davros opens his eyes
Looks up to the skies and sees.
He's just a poor boy, he needs no Symphony
+Deathlygunn Hes just a poor boy from a poor family.
+weirdstuffanimation7 spare his life from this monstrosity
+TNT_Blaster Tardis come, Tardis go, will you let me go?
+Syntaxus Dogmata Dalek Caan ! Nooooo we will not let you go !
+The french Timelord Rassilon has a special time lord put aside for me
Davros, the biggest drama queen in the universe, keeping his real eyes closed just for dramatic purpose.
I love him.
I can't help but wonder how much of this was real - and how much was Davros using and playing with the Doctor.
The real game is figuring out what was real and what was false.
This scene? I think was real.
Nah. Davros faking it. He hasn't *felt* since long before genisis.
+Haradion Drogon
That would have been the perfect moment for davros to make some confession, as the rest is trap and lies, the doctor would not believe anything from what he said...
"truth is a powerful tool in the mouth of a lier".
+Haradion Drogon I think there is a little bit of humanity left of Davros. I think the ending proves that by showing how the daleks know about showing mercy.
I think Davros both used his soul as a weapon, by revealing the truth.
He will always stand by his children, the Daleks.
He used his deathbed as a weapon, but i don't think he was actually lying. I think he saw it more as an opportunity and exaggerated the truth to extend his own life, but i don't think he was actually lying per se. I believe he believed everything he was saying, but knew that, if phrased in the right way, he would be able to play on the doctors compassion and extend his own life.
I have entertained the idea that he really was dying and sincere, and only *claimed* it had all been evil business as usual once the Doctor revived him.
I'm not gonna let nostalgia blind me here, Julian Bleach is the best Davros ever.
Absolutely agree, so pleased they brought him back for this. Magnificent performance.
I grew up with Terry Molloy and Michael Wisher and to me Bleach is still the best.
+Declan O'Rourke - Irish Atheist Genesis is THE Dalek story. No Davros, no Daleks.
Absolutely.
+Cryer24597 Yeah. I hated Gooderson and Bleach. Gooderson hadn't a voice modifier, to be fair. Both actors were a bit too human to play Davros, an evil scientist with a brilliant and academic mind.
Admit it; Davros tricked you here.
Almost
+A Completely Generic Duck yes, that was frustrating. Seeing him as a frightened little boy at the beginning and throughout really drove it home for me.
+A Completely Generic Duck smae here
+JackZake64 almost. they showed us before that the snake guy was hiding in the wires of that machine
+JackZake64 HE PLAYED ME LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
I feel like what would have really elevated this episode would be to make Davros sincere and have the main plot of the episode centered around the Doctor deciding whether or not to save him. It would've tied into the "Am I a good man?" Story arc from the previous season and been an interesting moral question. Have the Dalek Supreme be the one to cross the Doctor and steal the regeneration energy and thus cause the sewer revolution
It still works this way, I think. Davros really is being sincere. But he uses that sincerity to better manipulate the Doctor. This is perfectly in-character for him. And the Doctor does go through the moral dilemma you mentioned. He decides to save Davros. If Davros hadn't tried to channel the regeneration energy into the Daleks, it would've extended his life to the sunrise. And he later goes back to save the child Davros. This feeds into the theme of mercy throughout the episode. Just my take.
When Davros asks the doctor if he’s a good man, I get chills bro. Only the previous series was the doctor asking the same question now his arch enemy is. The doctor probably sees himself reflected in Davros in this scene which is probably what Davros wanted
Indeed, try as I might davros always feels like he achieved a state of evil not even The Master could hope to achieve. And if you’re a believer of the iDavros story he achieved it as child.
So him even pretending care about being a good man is creepily unnatural even for the inventor of the most evil cybernetics. To say nothing of if he asked the question in earnest.
Julian Bleach is absolutely sensational in this scene. A tremendously complex and sincere performance - and all so visible through such heavy prosthetics!
Well lucky for him he no longer will be wearing the prosthetics or basically anything that makes him look like Davros anymore.
I think this is the best Davros scene because it shows that Davros doesn't have to be limited to do just evil things and maniacally laughing. He can trick and manipulate people, but you can tell in this scene that it's a little bit too... real. There's still a little bit of humanity in him, and that makes him a hell of lot more interesting.
It's kinda sad just how many people look at this scene as just a trick, yes he was using the doctors emotion against him but there's nothing to imply he was actually lying, the entire episode deals with the idea that the doctor has been fighting the master and him for so long that they are practically friendly rivals, it makes sense they'd hold respect for one another despite their completely polar opposite ideologies.
Plus davros does love his people his entire existence has been dedicated to them, when he tells the doctor to protect his people no matter what, I think he was being fully truthful.
Eddie Curtis For a moment i thought Davros was genuine, but then i thought back to his iconic "To hold in my hand" speech fron Genesis of The Daleks,
The Doctor on: Davros
What does it take to create monsters? A twisted man who sees peace as a lie, seeing war as not only glorious but something that should never end? His people, he claims, he saved. I have looked at the decaying wreckage of his kind, and all I see is a travesty against life. Something imprisoned in mind and body, loathing anything outside their cage and going mad if they ever gain freedom. A blight as much upon themselves as the rest of the universe
He continues to believe it as salvation. And I saw him when he was young. No different from any other person. The world he came from is testament to the Hell that is war. A conflict lasting a millennium, its only survivors embodying maddened violence. And yet nothing like it was forged quite like that man. He, who should by all accounts abhor war, is its greatest champion in a cancer there is no true surgery to remove
I look at him face to face. The skull evident, a man who should've died millennia ago. There has always been something uncanny about him. And yet....I can't help but feel pity. I wonder if he knows, in the deepest of cores, he has gone to far. And I wonder if he keeps himself in his mental prison for so long, all because he's afraid to realize just what he's become. Is this what makes a man a monster? What keeps him as such? Is this...is this what I'm fighting?
Or am I desperate? A foolish old man who wants comfort from the Devil himself, all because we share the pain of ages, the blood of billions. I can only hope, one day, I know the truth. Even after today, I'm not sure.
which doctor said this?
I'm going to remember this for as long as I live and remember that even the cruelest of souls can shed tears and see the world with their own eyes
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
Confirmed: Davros got baked and learned a different perspective.
I think this might have to be my favourite Davris moment.
Period.
The uncontestable, genius intellect that manipulates The Doctor so perfectly is one thing.
The fact that he at no point had to lie to do it, is even more brilliant.
One of the most evil and corrupt beings this setting has ever produced, and he is given so many dimensions without ever compromising that malevolence.
I genuinely think this is the best Davros story on television since his debut in Genesis of the Daleks. This, Genesis and the Big Finish story Davros are my favourites.
+Danny O'Gara
I would agree, every moment of Davros in this story fit and worked brilliantly.
It rather reminds me of "The Killing Joke" from Batman, with the villainous psyche exploration and such.
+Danny O'Gara
I would agree, every moment of Davros in this story fit and worked brilliantly.
It rather reminds me of "The Killing Joke" from Batman, with the villainous psyche exploration and such.
Davris??
When they both shared a laugh...I dunno...that felt very powerful to me. To ancient enemies, in their twilight years...laughing together, for a brief moment....just wow...
Great to find out that Davros real name was Bobby. He will be remembered for presenting such wonderful Earth game shows such as Family Fortunes ,and for his work in British comedy. Bravo, Rest in pieces,Bobby Davros
I didn't even realise he had eyes
Same I thought those black bits were his eye socks and his eyes were taken or gouged out lol
***** yeh I just though his eyes had fallen out due to being for too long
+GenesisBoy16 I was supposed to put being alive too long but I accidentally missed a word 😂 yeh imagine in a more brutal time of doctor who, he gouged out Davros' eyes
+LewisPDiDdle808 Jesus 😂 Now I can just imagine Davros threatening him and the doctor just stealing his eyes and running off
Originally he didn't, I use to collect DVD files on doctor who and I have a file on davros stating he lost his normal eyes in an accident, although it doesn't specify how
"...let me see your face..."
"You've seen it often enough."
*lol*
Darthvros: "Doctor...let me ... see your face."
Doctor: "You've seen it often enough."
Darthvros: "Please... just for once. Let me... look on you with my own eyes."
Lol. Nice connection. XD
Billy McAuliffe It's supposed to be that. :)
StarRider88 Darth Vader?
Who's Darthros? Darth Vader and Davros's kid?
lol. It's just a fan nickname. XD
the most touching and heartbreaking scene from Davros
I trully think his emotions were true, regardless of what occured afterward
Even the nemesis, has a heart and feelings and worries and doubts and concerns
In that aspect, I think we can all relate. Regardless of how we do things
It's a shame this was a sham because this was fantastic character development for Davros which (if he had died) would have redeemed his character to some extent. But no, he's still a villain and villains in Doctor Who can't have proper character development besides 'be more evil'.
Same I thought it was a perfect end to a character but then they ruined it by ending this beautiful moment by making it a trap
This was character development; we saw his manipulative side really come out, building up to how he used what he perceived as the Doctor's weakness against him. Considering how most post-Genesis stories with Davros depict him as a generic mad scientist who likes doing crazy things for the sake of being a villain it was very refreshing and compelling. Character development isn't about making everything "emotional" for the sake of it, we know full well by now that Davros is not a redeemable character but rather an unnervingly close reflection of the Doctor, with the core difference between them being the Doctor's compassion.
+Danny O'Gara I do think there is an element of sincerity to what he says. When they laugh together about the "Doctor" joke, I don't see that as fake.
+CordlessJet Definitely, and Davros has a lot of respect for the Doctor despite their differing moral codes, but I think the whole "redemption" thing would be so clichéd. Davros is a pure scientist at heart, he only knows how to take his experiments further and keep fine-tuning them, he wouldn't just dismiss them like that.
+Danny O'Gara Precisely, it would be like redeeming Darth Sideous from Star Wars XD
I knew from the beginning it was most likely a trick but somehow he still tricked me anyway beautiful scene I love the Doctor's reaction to Davros' joke
Davros laughing is the scariest thing from this episode.
And to think Russell T. Davis thinks Davros represents all disabled people.... what madness.
Open your eyes,
Look up to the sky and see.
I'm just a Kaled boy,
I need no sympathy.
"Do not lose them again"
* Finds Gallifrey destroyed by The Master *
I genuinely felt sorry for Davros here. His eyes reminded my so much of the 10th Doctor's eyes when he was an old man.
I cried so hard at this part...
so true, i felt sorry for davros in this moment
Yeah:(
+Darkatron ! Why? Granted he was dying, but the whole sob story was fake so he could trick the doctor into saving him
+Mr. Blackwell I can't feel compassion for an arrogant compulsive liar. Especially fictional ones, cuz well, they're fictional
+Darth Meggi
I too cried a river for Frankenstein himself.
I think that Davros was being genuine when he talks to the Doctor about not abandoned his own people. Obviously the whole thing was part of a wider plot to trick the Doctor, but Davros could not have drawn that speech from nowhere, it seems like this entire scene is an aside from everything else going on in the episode. For a moment, Davros shows a tiny amount of humanity, we get to see an insight into what drives Davros as a character.
I love the complexity this whole episode affords Davros and the Daleks. There's something chilling about the fact that the Daleks are shown to be conditioned into hatred. Physically mutilated into living in a tank that will kill and destroy all that you love. The Daleks are literally driven into murderous genocidal madness.
And then there's Davros. No living thing could thrive off of pure hatred, it's implausible. Every living thing has its passions, its urges, its desires. Davros makes it clear earlier on that the Daleks blood is yearning for Clara to actually run before they kill her... they murder as an art form. Davros meanwhile is a psycho, but one who has done all that he has done on the basis of his unwavering belonging and faith in his Dalek creations. His passion lies in the concept of belonging. Learning that the Doctor has found his people again, I think he was, in his own twisted way, incredibly happy for the Doctor. I think deep down, there's where he has his fears and doubts and Kaled humanity. He let it show for a moment, and for an ulterior motive, but the fact is that it's there at all. He has that depth and complexity to him. It was a surprisingly deep insight into his psyche - that I don't even think he'd be aware he'd shown the Doctor, because he's lost sight of those sorts of ideas and that way of thinking.
"Just for once, let me look on you with my own eyes."
This scene had so much potential to redeem davros as a character as he repents in his final days as a dying man. But they ruined it by having both of them tricking each other the whole time.
It especially ruins the scene more for me because Julian bleaches performance was so fantastic in making his pain and grief feel genuine and sincere. I wish that they had ended Davros’s time on the show by having him pass away at the end exchanging one last conversation, repenting for the past mistakes as they watch one last sunrise 🌅 together.
That way the Daleks could have continued being Daleks while Davros life had come to an end. Xx
I would have hated if his redemption was genuine. Davros is an evil bastard through and through, he should stay that way
I love when a protagonist and an antagonist share a laugh.
theory about Davros suddenly having eyes again: He probably grew them in a test tube just for this epic prank.
Davros is the ultimate troller
Honestly that’s what I was thinking. I doubt all these years he was using that cyclops thing in his forehead just for aesthetic.
Best Davros moment ever! I knew that it was a trick at first but then my mind actually changed and in the end i was fooled just like the doctor. One of the few times ive cried on this show.
I still feel that Davros is being truthful here; even if it was to gain regeneration energy, I feel that Davros was going to die
+whoboy11 Me too. I feel that this whole episode was the two of them trying to trick each other by opening up to each other. Let's not forget that The Doctor knew what Davros was up to from the beginning and yet was clearly being honest; why shouldn't the same be true of Davros?
one of the few times this show has made you cry? there's been a lot more than just a few times for me lol
Davros: Protect your own, Doctor. Do not lose them.
Chibnall: Blow them up again!
"Am I a good man?"
"No! Mate, you tried to commit die on literally everything"
One of those moments where you can't help but feel sympathy for even the most evil of villains. That's why I love this show so much.
I'm getting Batman: The Killing Joke vibes from the scene where the Doctor and Davros share a laugh.
He's still mad he didn't get unlimited rice pudding
Davros: do not lose your people again
The master in series 12: oops
I feel like Davros was being sincere here. I think that he was dying and this was his last attempt to live, by stealing the regeneration energy the Doctor. But when it was becoming less likely that the Doctor would actually save him, he actually let out a bit of his “human” side.
"Am I a good man?"
Well, you did create the Daleks, so I would say NO
After thousands of generations and he has finally opened his eyes, magnificent
This would have been a perfect send off for davros he's my favorite who villian.
And right here, the Doctor could have simply said...
"No, I don't think you're a good man...but I think you try to be."
evil doesnt worry about being good. I dont remember who said that.
Leliana from Dragon Age.
HisHolyMajesty That would have been perfect 😆☺🤗
DeathΩMessenger your eyelashes are like butterflies.
MarxistKnight
... Wut?
Davros:" I need to know, before the end, am I a good man?"
Doctor:" No, you are not a good man... but I think you tried to be... and so I did."
This scene got me. I really believed Davros, and I felt sorry for him.... great writing and a spectacular performance by the actor. Unfortunately, I don't know his name. Did Moffat write that episode?
+Comet12864
Yes, Moffat wrote it.
And the actor is Julian Bleach.
Ionut Maris Thanks. :)
If only he died in that scene.. and he was honest about his intentions..
Imagine the impact on the Doctor. Forever alone.. without even his deadliest enemy to remember him..
Honestly. That would hit harder. Cause, while davros was his arch enemy. He was also someone who understood the doctor. For he lived as the doctor has. For so many years.
Being immortal meant. Everyone around the doctor would wither and die. Yet davros, his deadliest foe, still remained.
Two immortals. Soon, 1 immortal. Two arch enemies, who battle for thousands of years, now able to look eye to eye, and laugh like friends.
@@halfknight2310
That is exactly what i meant!
‘Help me take off this helmet Luke’
Anyone else getting Return of the Jedi vibes?😄
Although Moffat wasn't great with the Daleks he truly did understand Davros
I loved this scene but I hated how it was to trick The Doctor, it takes back all the character's emotions that we felt.
I understand that Davros believes compassion is weakness and therefore this would prove it, but it's just the fact that, we as the audience believed Davros ACTUALLY had some character development, had changed :)
+OfficialKingKhanAbz Davros created the Daleks they way he did to prove that compassion is a weakness. Here, he properly demonstrates it.
I like to think that deep inside, he really felt it
Funny. I hate the eye-opening. I like this because it does show to a perfect extent that the doctors compassion is a weakness that davros can (and perfectly in character with him) manipulate- just like he manipulated everyone ever since skaro, necros and the doctor on multiple occasions.
To me this remains one of the most powerful scenes of Doctor Who. The Doctor and Davros- two enemies throughout time and space, always hating with such vigor, sharing the briefest moment of sympathy and understanding
I love how this has components of Star Wars ('with my own eyes') and The Killing Joke (joke from the villain that the hero also laughs to before the imminent demise of the villain), yet it manages to be completely its own thing.
1:44 made me teary eyed when Davros opens his eyes for the first time in thousands of years.
Moffat: "MMM... DELICIOUS TEARS..."
Davros: “Doctor, my boy.”
Also Davros:
*”YOU ARE FOREVER NAMED THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS!!!”*
I really wish the Doctor hadn’t known Davros was tricking him. I feel it would’ve added some depth and vulnerability to his character.
If only Moffat had the spine to make this scene sincere and actually kill off Davros in this way.
Two of the greatest performances in Doctor Who history. Peter and Julian are absolutely mesmerising here. Beautiful sequence...well until Davros turns on him 😂
It takes damn good writing for someone to make me feel sorry for Davros, the source of many of my nightmares as a child!
Despite the fact that Davros' eyes had previously been said to be lost after his accident, despite the fact that it's later revealed that they were playing each other the whole time... I still love this scene! Ok, granted, the playing each other thing does completely undercut the drama of this scene (as has happened so many times with Moffat), but I honestly beleive that Davros is being sincere here (no smoke without fire and all that). It makes sense to me after these two knowing each other for so long that they have this mutual respect for each other. If The Master is supposed to be his best friend who tries to kill him, Davros is his worst enemy who holds a greater respect for him than most villains.
Also, regarding his "Am I a good man?" bit, I listened to "I, Davros" before this aired, which is basically Davros' origin story and with that context, it does make sense that he'd ask that question, baring in mind that everything he did was to protect his own race from destruction. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in Big Finish!
a fantastic post :)
I agree. Despite the trick at the end, I do believe that what Davros says here is genuine. In another Big Finish (think it was 'Davros'), Davros says that the Doctor is the closest thing he has to a friend, because he is the only other person that Davros can relate to and understand. They may be enemies at the end of the day, but their relationship is certainly a complex one.
+Rahonavis70m it is from 'davros'
+Rhyan Bennett Thought so. Thanks.
+Russell Tietjen Exactly! While I don't like the Whole "ah! I knew you were tricking me, Davros!" from the doctor, I don't mind the "redemption" path embraced by Davros. As you said, no smoke without fire. Perhaps one of the greatest aspects of an arch-nemesis like him, is to become sincere when it's needed. The doctor could have still been aware that if Davros ever tried to trick him, the blob daleks would have destroyed his empire, so he could have thought that Davros would have never been that stupid. As the doctor said to davros "Oh, one thing: moron!". Because Davros lacks of feelings for the weak but this turned against him since he didn't think of the consequences of enfusing the blob daleks with regeneration energy... so yeah the only thing that I dislike is that the Doctor was tricking Davros into thinking that he was tricking him, while he could have thought: "if davros uses my energy for his daleks he's going to doom his empire. He can't be such a moron"
the laughing at the end reminded me of Batman and the Joker at the end of The Killing Joke
Honestly, I've never seen anything from doctor who, aside from youtube clips. And even then, I only started to watch those recently. So I'm dying really know the true relationship these two characters have. But when Davros(?) asks if he was good, I almost cried. This is a brilliant scene, and once that I almost wish I hadn't just stumbled upon, if it weren't for the fact that it might've pushed me to just start watching the damn show!
Julian Bleach is such an amazing actor especially as davros
If only Davros died in that scene, it would’ve been one of the best scenes of the show imo
One of the best series of Doctor Who, and by god did Capaldi deserve it. He is amazing.
wow.davros and the doctor... laughing....
This is an example that Capaldi is always better without Clara.
+Mayo Tango131 most Doctors are. The show has focussed far too much on the companions for years now, like they forget who the main character is or something. It's like they take the Doctor for a ride or something..
Melodic Meerkat
It is true that all this started with Ace in the 26 season, but Clara Who became obscenely exaggerated.
+Mayo Tango131 Ace worked though, as if was a one time thing, but then it continued.
@@mayotango1317
Kind of Wish she was just eaten by the doctors timeline and that was that.
@@Conorp77 nah it worked perfectly but with the 13th doctor they took it to another level and fucking destroyed doctor who, if they said all seasons written by chib were non canon I think the show would do fantastic but he came in and obliterated it with middle school level character development
One of my favorite Davros moments.
This is the scene that inspired me to start watching again
This was 7 years ago? Bloody hell, I thought it was a lot later.
Murray Gold hitting another level with this music too...makes the scene
that is the best Davros scene in new Who
I love Peter Capaldi's arch it's about trying to fix his wrongs. He tries to give his companions a normal life, tries to befriend his greatest enemies, and when he was finally about to die he didn't want to regenerate. He wants to end his story once and for all, be with his wife, his granddaughter. He's lived over 3.5 billion years (or 2000 is you don't count Hell Bent), he just wants to finally end his story. There's no more hours after the twelfth.
If this was davros getting a redemption arc it would be amazing
So if you blend Darth Vader's death scene with the end of Batman: The Killing Joke, this is what you get.
This is an amazing scene! Davros almost had me believing him too! Like his "children", Davros seems to be good at psychological warfare too!
#doctorwho #bbc #bbc1 #thedoctor #twelfthdoctor #davros #petercapaldi #julianbleach
this isnt twitter m8, no need for hashtags.
Alan Kelly davors turn out to be a good man
@@blackham7 Don't be a dick