For people who keep asking why they've never seen this and which episode it was from: These are not from any episode. These are minisodes that were produced separately and placed on the DVDs as special features. Only a small few Doctor Who minisodes were ever aired on television. Some were released online and some were only on the DVDs. There were a few during Tennant's run, and a couple during Capaldi's, but it was during Smith's run that they made a ton of them. I just combined these ones into a single part. See the playlist in the description for more.
"Your parents are asleep" I love that line! I also find it hilarious that the Doctor has to sneak out/ away from River's parents to see River not the other way around
Makes me wonder how their lives carry on off episodes yk, because they sleep, eat, relax and just chat around every now and then when they arent in the action
yeah, which is exactly what you need to play the doctor, you need both. And poor Matt, I remember him talking about the mistrust when he started - following Tennant must have been difficult.
I was just rewatching this and thinking along the same lines...You put it into words perfectly...One of the other truly emotional bits from 11's time was in The Name of the Doctor when Clara tells him they're going to Trenzalore and The Doctor is nearly in tears...
Considering that this is during her first night in Stormcage, which must be just after Lake Silencio, which is roughly where and when they got married... this is basically River's honeymoon
@@craytherlaygaming2852 well, I just think that anime has not developed their time travel effectively enough to integrate it into a harem series like this. Still I do agree that this is definitely something that should be in a harem anime.
@@leif1075 it’s an anime trope where a protagonist has multiple love interests. Basically this situation except here it’s separate, independent people and not the same person running around in the same time stream.
Can we all just acknowledge how much of a Romantic 11 is? i know 10 was always seen as the more romantic dashing doctor but 11 is more sentimental. He is taking her to a single moment in time where almost ALL of the stars in the entire universe can be seen. He can NEVER do that again with ANYONE without risking his own timeline. Sharing a single moment he can NEVER take back with someone is so god damn sweet.
I think this possibly has more to do with Moffat being more of a romantic than RTD. A lot of series 5-7 especially feel almost verging into fairytale/fantasy. 10s moments of sentimentality were far more subtle. Like reading Reinettes letter to him in private, or making sure Donna lived a comfortable life even when she had forgotten him. With a lottery ticket bought by her passed father….He visited Rose to say goodbye, before she had even met him. He burnt up a sun to say goodbye to Rose. He made absolutely sure that Jackie would run into Pete from another universe, by keeping them both alive, he put all the companions who appeared in Journeys end before himself. He actually tried to do to Rose, what 11 did with Amy and Rory - sending her away to save her. .... Whilst I get what you’re saying, I don’t think 11 was more sentimental. I think they both just expressed it differently. 10 was about actions and little words, 11 was speeches and actions, but they amount to the same. I mean, 10 made sure he saw all the people who mattered to him one more time. He even included a descendant of Joan Redfern, who technically mattered to his "human" self not his real self. And to be fair, he took Donna to the creation of Earth, which I don't think he can do again
I think Eleven got cold feet about Darillium because he literally saw the reaction on his younger self's face and how hurt he was. He eventually did go there, after a regeneration allowed him to overcome the inevitable.
While I'm really glad River got that episode with Twelve (it was a great episode), it always struck me as odd that Eleven never brought her there in the end. Eleven knew that he was supposed to be his last self due to the twelve regenerations limit. He never foresaw that the Time Lords would grant him an additional cycle thus, dying on Tranzalore before bringing River to Derilium would have caused a massive paradox.
@@bdletoast09I suppose from his perspective - assuming that he would die properly before taking River there, would be like one last act of defiance. A kind of, “if I’m going to die, I won’t resign her to it as well” kind of thing.
@@bdletoast09he also probably didn't forsee the Tardis taking so long to get to him that he dies of old age. Clara was holding onto the ouside and slowed it down.
@@bdletoast09Even if he planned to bring her to Darillium during that regeneration, he likely didn't have a choice during the Trenzalore ordeal. He didn't have the TARDIS for a long time and even when he did, he couldn't just up and leave the planet, he'd sworn to protect it
Epic foreshadowing... hurting my heart. The face he had when she said "you'll be the death of me." was heartbreaking. You can see him break a little bit inside. You don't get that face without love.
Is it really foreshadowing if we already saw it. It’d be more like a reference if anything. Kinda like Obi-Wan in the prequels saying the same thing to Anikin is considered a reference not foreshadowing.
Another one: "...The day’s coming when I’ll look into that man’s eyes-my Doctor-and he won’t have the faintest idea who I am. And I think it’s going to kill me..." (River Song to Rory, in The Impossible Astronaut)
It's actually really interesting when you think about the fact that this was the first time in the show's history that the Doctor's closest relationship was happening off-screen.
The end, where the two versions of the Doctor are talking about taking River to the Singing Towers, and again a few moments later as the earlier version of River squeezed past the Doctor and comments that he will "be the death of me" are priceless. We get to just glimpse the pain that he is hiding, knowing that she is someday going to die right in front of him in the Library. Matt Smith did an excellent job of just barely showing it before he recovers and goes back to pretending that everything is going to be fine. It makes you realize that the Doctor ultimately has to deal with this pain with almost all of the people that he cares about. Starting with Susan, Ian and Barbara in the very beginning of the show, he knows at some deep level that eventually all of them will leave and eventually pass away while he continues to travel in his Tardis.
As Steven Moffat put it: The Doctor doesn't just travel in a time machine, he lives in one. To him on a good day everyone is alive and he can go and visit them for lunch. But on a bad day everyone is dead and he can visit their funeral.
I just realised that River's catchphrase, "Spoilers", is a bootstrap paradox. The Doctor starts saying it because he heard River say it, and River starts saying it because she heard the Doctor say it. So who came up with it in the first place? Great fan edit, by the way! I'm in the middle of a "River Song-athon", where I watch all of River's episodes in the order she experienced them, and I'm also trying to include as many of the minisodes as I can.
There's a fan edit out there that's quite good called "The River Song Chronology" that goes scene by scene rather than episode by episode. It was made before "The Husbands Of River Song" came out, but includes everything else, including these minisodes (Though I think they may have missed "Rain Gods"). It's a great watch if you can find it. It's not on UA-cam, but can be found on Torrent sites.
In silence of the library when Donna goes to read about something that hasn't come out yet the doctor scalds her and say no spoilers or you'll spoil it so in the event that it is not a paradox it is more likely to have originated from the Doctor.
Keyword being 'can'. He's careful enough not to change what has happened / is going to happen. Hence why River said that last time she thought she heard him talking with another woman, he kept quiet and pretended she was imagining things; he knew better than to explain and risk having them meet or actually overhear eachother, as to not change the timeline.
@@adamhenry7043ooh do you think the Tardis does it for them? Erase the memory? Or do they have to consciously do that? Or is it like an instinct to forget as a Timelord?
I remember loving these, they're actually very nice and poignant minisodes. I'm glad that The Husbands of River Song retconned the Darillium ending though, it made for an amazing scene between Kingston and Capaldi.
It's not exactly a retcon. Canonically, the Doctor kept finding a way out of taking her to the Singing Towers of Derilium every time it looked like they were headed there, until the one he couldn't get out of. It was the Doctor's way of trying to head off River's trip to the Library for as long as possible. River says "he's been promising forever." If it was up to him, forever is how long he'd put off keeping that promise.
This is true! If you watch the scene where Capaldi has her at the towers and she talks about how "there were stories about this being our last night" she mentions how he "kept canceling" going, and goes on to say "remember when there were two of you" referencing this scene. It basically confirms that he canceled going again in this mini-sode, likely last minute.
I don't remember which episode or minisode, but the outfit of the 'second' doctor is the same one he wears when he has the goldfish. So I am guessing he cancelled going to Darillium for that.
I admit when River was first introduced in "Silence in the Library" and "Forest of the Dead", I completely fell in love with her. And I never get enough of her!! But the only character that I love more than her is Idris!! I really do fancy the Doctor's love interests -- except for Rose. I liked Rose but I never thought she was really right for the Doctor as a romantic interest But River Song and then Idris -- the two perfect women for the Doctor!!
Matt Smith is just an amazing actor. At the end where his smile slowly fades when River mentions Derilium and the pain comes out in his eyes... heartbreaking
Yet we find out with the 12th doctor 11 kept canceling to go there unfortunately it caught up to him and had no choice but to go there it’s actually really sad knowing how she dies all the times he spends with her and al other times he canceled going to the singing towers was his way of trying to save river from the library
The saddest part is that *all* his Companions, all his relationships except the Master/Missy, are really the same thing - he *knows* he's going to outlive all of them, by several orders of magnitude. Only Matt Smith's Doctor didn't have this certainty, because he thought he was on his *last* Regeneration, but even then a single life of his could (and did) outlive whole generations of humans. When Missy compared Clara to the old couple's puppy, she wasn't exactly wrong. River Song was on a little more equal footing, given the way they met, and after she gave up her remaining Regenerations to save him, they were actually both in the same boat, with one lifetime left to them. One wonders if he was hoping that her last life would last several hundred years, like some of his did.
@@CritterKeeper01 ya that’s exactly what I was thinking if certain things had been different river not being taken by the silence being a killer killing the doctor and giving up her remaining lives the doctor would have had the perfect soul mate
@@CritterKeeper01 yeah thats something not explained or i dont remember being explained in the show..when matt was in trenzalore he aged and became old in just a few hundred years but in other time he stayed young for almost double the time because timelords have a symbiotic relationship with the tardis..as long as they are going in and out of tardis./ being with it..travelling with it..they dont age at all.so technically if the doctor never got killed/hurt he could be immortal in just one iteration
That shared look between them at 4:38, Future Doctor feeling the weight of where he's going, Past Doctor realizing where he's taking her. That genuinely breaks my heart.
It really speaks for Kingston's skills how she manages to make the three versions come off noticeably different. Though Matt does a very good job too with his expression coming undone at the word "Darillium"
She points out to 12 when they do end up there that he always cancelled on taking her, and specifically mentions this night as an example of one of the times he cancelled.
The most perfect love story in less than 6 minutes. My favourite bit has to be - Doctor: 'You've got 10 minutes; get dressed' River: 'That is so nearly the perfect sentence'
Goddamnit, I can't imagine how much it would hurt to know exactly how the love of your life would die, and constantly being reminded even as you're falling for her the first time. Like, holy fuck. And Smith does a wonderful job showing that, those tiny cracks in the Doctor's armor
Seeing how 12 was the one to bring river to the singing towers. Would that mean 11 changed his mind and avoided bringing her there, delaying the inevitable until 12.
In fact, there's a very blink-and-you'll-miss-it reference to this minisode in that episode, where river confirms this being one of many times he cancelled on bringing her there
Eyes with looks that showed centuries of hurt, despite having a young-looking body, is one of the things that made me appreciate Matt's portrayal of the Doctor.
I didn't pay much attention to Matt as I was watching the stories that season. Then I saw him in Mapplethorpe and just fell out. Then I bought & watched his DVD series and thought, this guy is a great actor. Then I saw Lennon and then Manson ("charley says") and can't wait to see more. What a face!
Oh cool! I re-watched "The Husbands Of River Song" for the first time in a while, and this short is referenced! Near the end, River mentions The Doctor always keeps delaying their trip to the Towers and says "Remember when there were two of you". Very cool detail.
I can't believe I was so bold as to think I had seen every episode of Doctor who with Matt Smith until I stumbled across "minisodes"!!!! It's like having another chance to watch Matt Smith as the doctor with new episodes. Yay!!!!
It's funny. Alex Kingston is 19 years older than Matt Smith, but still he comes across as a weary old man and she comes across as a vivacious young woman in love.
I watch a lot of french cinema. The men fall in love w the essence of the woman and age doesnt come into play. Love that in the french. Im american and its all about age.
The dread you can see in the Doctor’s eyes throughout the entire clip slowly fills. Starts with joyful and then turns to worry. Then those worried eyes turns to old, then to depressed.
For those who didn't know, this is actually from of a series of four shorts, two involving Amy ("Bad Night" "Good Night") and two involving River ("First Night" "Last Night"). Thank you for putting these together so neatly!
There's a fifth too, called "Up All Night", which is essentially an episode prequel to "Closing Time", following Craig. All 5 episodes get copyright blocked if you upload them to UA-cam, but these edits are fair use. I can't think of any way I can edit the 5th minisode though
It's not a fan edit. A number of mini-episodes were filmed and only released online. They're like little throwaway thoughts that the writers had which never made it into a full episode.
I'm really glad that you've done this because I had No idea this existed. It's so crazy that there's all these little Fantastic little extras about with just as much high quality production and scripts and so few people know about them ❤️
I love it! Thank you very much for posting this, as well as the explanation with it. I have always had the feeling I was missing something, especially in the story around River Song and 11th Doctor, I just couldn't figure out what.
It is NOT long enough!! I love this mini episodes so MUCH, there's not enough of River and The Doctor 🤩😍🤩🥰 They are the best together! I wish do much there were more moments of them together 💝💕
This one and Space/Time are honestly my two favorite Doctor Who stories. Also love that River is in prison for the death of the guy who breaks her out of prison
I always forget how much I love this minisode as it shows off the incredible talent of Matt Smith and Alex Kingston as actors, as well as moving the incredible story of River Song forward in a clever, timey wimey way.
So back then we all thought "Last Night" was the last moment of River Song with The Doctor before the Library. And then we saw how broken 11th Doctor after losing Amy Pond and Rory Williams. We also thought he already done Darillium but turn out he didn't because The Doctor doesn't like ending. And when 11th Doctor want to search Clara in his own time-stream on Tranzelore, River Song (who already a ghost data) panic, fearing The Doctor will lose in time because turn out The Doctor still not taking her to Darilium until his next regeneration.
Then she implies that he will have one more adventure with her after she died RIVER: Oh, there's one more thing. DOCTOR: Isn't there always? RIVER: I was mentally linked with Clara. If she's really dead, then how can I still be here? DOCTOR: Okay, how? RIVER: Spoilers. Goodbye, sweetie.
So wonderfully written. That was the first time I've seen it - a decade later ! Such a gift ! Clearly I am living my life backwards. I'll see it for the first time five months ago.
Check out the playlist for more. There are still a couple of minisodes that aren't available on UA-cam, but I've found almost all of them and assembled them in story order.
This is both beautiful and very sad. It was a good thing Doctor Who was so funny because so much of what happened (both in the show and to the character) was so incredibly sad.
This made me cry so hard the second I heard the durillam and the singing towns I could not stop think of river saying this "You took me to the durillam to see the singing towers oh what I night that was the towers sang and you cried you would tell me why"
Wow the time they put into the story of river is crazy all the way from the first time we meet her I hope we get to see more of her in the 14th and 15th doctor
0:45 so are you telling me The doctor was punching in the coordinates to pick up future river while talking about the 400 Foot tree on the north side of the mountain in the middle of the sea? Man talk about multitasking
nah, he was just pretending to do so. He doesn't actually know how to operate the TARDIS; she ('sexy') just pretends he does and takes him where he needs to be. ;)
Love these videos... in the earlier one (where comments are turned off due to people whining about something else, I love how Amy says "I hate you" and the Dr. replies "No you don't". Just like in the Husbands of River Song.
Yeah, I think it was Moffat running out of ways to end the scene. Judging by the immense workload he had at this time I'd say he wrote these pretty fast, so probably just defaulted to something familiar, seeing as that's generally a Doctor/River thing.
3:41 That is the *HOTTEST* she EVER looked on the show, my GOD. That woman is a goddamn SMOKESHOW and she doesn't even know it. There's even a bowtie on the front of the dress for godssakes. 11 was such a simp for River Song, jesus...
His reaction when he sees future River in the dress though 😂 Funnier considering she was wearing it in Day of the Moon and he must have seen it when she jumped into his pool.
I always love coming back to these episodes and Minisodes, so nostaligic and my favourite era of Dr Who. From this one, I always love how The Doctor got "Spoilers" from River Song, who got it from the Doctor... Maybe we should get Twelve with his Guitar to explain Bootstrap Paradoxes again! 😅
For people who keep asking why they've never seen this and which episode it was from:
These are not from any episode. These are minisodes that were produced separately and placed on the DVDs as special features. Only a small few Doctor Who minisodes were ever aired on television. Some were released online and some were only on the DVDs. There were a few during Tennant's run, and a couple during Capaldi's, but it was during Smith's run that they made a ton of them. I just combined these ones into a single part. See the playlist in the description for more.
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Thank you!!! These are so charming and funny!
Which episode was this from?
What dvd do I need to get to watch the mini episodes
@@rjl9443 if you ever find out let me know
"Your parents are asleep" I love that line! I also find it hilarious that the Doctor has to sneak out/ away from River's parents to see River not the other way around
It took me a moment to get this - so fantastic!!!
The Doctor has the weirdest family ever.
@@Silverwind87When you're the Dr family is all Wibily woboly Time whimy.
Makes me wonder how their lives carry on off episodes yk, because they sleep, eat, relax and just chat around every now and then when they arent in the action
How in the universe did he not wake up Amy and Rory
"We've got 10 minutes, get dressed"
"So close to the perfect sentence"
oh river
My name is River and I feel uncomfortable
the 'perfect' sentence would be 'get undressed', right?
@@Ardelin_ yes lol
*"This is a kids show" they said*
@@sevoid6524 A FAAAAAAAAAAAMILY PICT-CHAH!
Oh, who are we kidding?
This minisode really shows off Matts chops as an actor.
He gets to look silly, flirty and extremely old and tired all in a 5 minute clip.
yeah, which is exactly what you need to play the doctor, you need both. And poor Matt, I remember him talking about the mistrust when he started - following Tennant must have been difficult.
So true!!! 😂
Well he was born with an old young face so there's that
@@therra1101 his acting was fabulous. I think he did the greatest job, although I did love Capaldi's acting too
I was just rewatching this and thinking along the same lines...You put it into words perfectly...One of the other truly emotional bits from 11's time was in The Name of the Doctor when Clara tells him they're going to Trenzalore and The Doctor is nearly in tears...
Considering that this is during her first night in Stormcage, which must be just after Lake Silencio, which is roughly where and when they got married...
this is basically River's honeymoon
And possibly two anniversaries
Iy is her honeymoon, highlight, and last meal all together
Would it not be riversong if her first day in prison wasn't also her honeymoon?
@@joshuashiltz861not last meal that is witch the 12 doctor
@@joshuashiltz861 With Capaldi she says that he kept cancelling the Towers, so nope, not last night haha
The way he says “ITS THE SAME NIGHT!” makes me laugh 😂
It's the level of thing you'd see in a harem anime...
yet don't... odd
@@craytherlaygaming2852 well, I just think that anime has not developed their time travel effectively enough to integrate it into a harem series like this. Still I do agree that this is definitely something that should be in a harem anime.
@@craytherlaygaming2852 why odd? What's a harem anime?
It is a good delivery and a uniquely funny quirky situation
@@leif1075 it’s an anime trope where a protagonist has multiple love interests. Basically this situation except here it’s separate, independent people and not the same person running around in the same time stream.
Can we all just acknowledge how much of a Romantic 11 is? i know 10 was always seen as the more romantic dashing doctor but 11 is more sentimental. He is taking her to a single moment in time where almost ALL of the stars in the entire universe can be seen. He can NEVER do that again with ANYONE without risking his own timeline. Sharing a single moment he can NEVER take back with someone is so god damn sweet.
Damn, I never thought of it that way! So true.
I think this possibly has more to do with Moffat being more of a romantic than RTD. A lot of series 5-7 especially feel almost verging into fairytale/fantasy. 10s moments of sentimentality were far more subtle. Like reading Reinettes letter to him in private, or making sure Donna lived a comfortable life even when she had forgotten him. With a lottery ticket bought by her passed father….He visited Rose to say goodbye, before she had even met him. He burnt up a sun to say goodbye to Rose. He made absolutely sure that Jackie would run into Pete from another universe, by keeping them both alive, he put all the companions who appeared in Journeys end before himself. He actually tried to do to Rose, what 11 did with Amy and Rory - sending her away to save her. .... Whilst I get what you’re saying, I don’t think 11 was more sentimental. I think they both just expressed it differently. 10 was about actions and little words, 11 was speeches and actions, but they amount to the same. I mean, 10 made sure he saw all the people who mattered to him one more time. He even included a descendant of Joan Redfern, who technically mattered to his "human" self not his real self.
And to be fair, he took Donna to the creation of Earth, which I don't think he can do again
@@blakefletcher9834 This was very well put
@@acaicadunkley792 thank you 🙏
I think Eleven got cold feet about Darillium because he literally saw the reaction on his younger self's face and how hurt he was. He eventually did go there, after a regeneration allowed him to overcome the inevitable.
While I'm really glad River got that episode with Twelve (it was a great episode), it always struck me as odd that Eleven never brought her there in the end. Eleven knew that he was supposed to be his last self due to the twelve regenerations limit. He never foresaw that the Time Lords would grant him an additional cycle thus, dying on Tranzalore before bringing River to Derilium would have caused a massive paradox.
@@bdletoast09I suppose from his perspective - assuming that he would die properly before taking River there, would be like one last act of defiance. A kind of, “if I’m going to die, I won’t resign her to it as well” kind of thing.
@@bdletoast09he also probably didn't forsee the Tardis taking so long to get to him that he dies of old age. Clara was holding onto the ouside and slowed it down.
@@bdletoast09Even if he planned to bring her to Darillium during that regeneration, he likely didn't have a choice during the Trenzalore ordeal. He didn't have the TARDIS for a long time and even when he did, he couldn't just up and leave the planet, he'd sworn to protect it
Epic foreshadowing... hurting my heart. The face he had when she said "you'll be the death of me." was heartbreaking. You can see him break a little bit inside. You don't get that face without love.
Only Doctor Who can foreshadow a thing that already happened
Though it's not as spooky as when they call back to something that hasn't happened yet...
I may have to whip up a video about that...
Is it really foreshadowing if we already saw it. It’d be more like a reference if anything. Kinda like Obi-Wan in the prequels saying the same thing to Anikin is considered a reference not foreshadowing.
Another one: "...The day’s coming when I’ll look into that man’s eyes-my Doctor-and he won’t have the faintest idea who I am. And I think it’s going to kill me..." (River Song to Rory, in The Impossible Astronaut)
Probably one of the best side plot stories in Doctor Who
The Doctor and River Song.
It's actually really interesting when you think about the fact that this was the first time in the show's history that the Doctor's closest relationship was happening off-screen.
I don't like it!
Yeeeeah, no. No no no no no.
The end, where the two versions of the Doctor are talking about taking River to the Singing Towers, and again a few moments later as the earlier version of River squeezed past the Doctor and comments that he will "be the death of me" are priceless. We get to just glimpse the pain that he is hiding, knowing that she is someday going to die right in front of him in the Library. Matt Smith did an excellent job of just barely showing it before he recovers and goes back to pretending that everything is going to be fine.
It makes you realize that the Doctor ultimately has to deal with this pain with almost all of the people that he cares about. Starting with Susan, Ian and Barbara in the very beginning of the show, he knows at some deep level that eventually all of them will leave and eventually pass away while he continues to travel in his Tardis.
Foreknowledge comes with great costs to the mind, usually due to the inevitability of it. A soothsayer’s curse.
As Steven Moffat put it: The Doctor doesn't just travel in a time machine, he lives in one. To him on a good day everyone is alive and he can go and visit them for lunch. But on a bad day everyone is dead and he can visit their funeral.
Susan is a Time Lady. Hurts me how the misogynistic writing of that time did her so dirty.
@@Fooq oof.
Misogynistic writing of the time? What show were you watching?
These 2 are still breaking my heart even so many years later
I just realised that River's catchphrase, "Spoilers", is a bootstrap paradox. The Doctor starts saying it because he heard River say it, and River starts saying it because she heard the Doctor say it. So who came up with it in the first place?
Great fan edit, by the way! I'm in the middle of a "River Song-athon", where I watch all of River's episodes in the order she experienced them, and I'm also trying to include as many of the minisodes as I can.
There's a fan edit out there that's quite good called "The River Song Chronology" that goes scene by scene rather than episode by episode. It was made before "The Husbands Of River Song" came out, but includes everything else, including these minisodes (Though I think they may have missed "Rain Gods"). It's a great watch if you can find it. It's not on UA-cam, but can be found on Torrent sites.
In silence of the library when Donna goes to read about something that hasn't come out yet the doctor scalds her and say no spoilers or you'll spoil it so in the event that it is not a paradox it is more likely to have originated from the Doctor.
@@ItG8823 I forgot about that, but you're right, he did say it before he met her
Unless you go by the audio plays, I suppose
The writing team lol
Who wrote Beethoven’s fifth?
"You'll be the death of me"....that still hurts. Poor Doctor.
Doctor Who: Meeting yourself from the future/past can cause a paradox
Also Doctor Who:
Keyword being 'can'. He's careful enough not to change what has happened / is going to happen.
Hence why River said that last time she thought she heard him talking with another woman, he kept quiet and pretended she was imagining things; he knew better than to explain and risk having them meet or actually overhear eachother, as to not change the timeline.
“River there are rules!”
Also the Doctor:
There are Time lord specials where the Doctors meet the former doctors.
Timelords have a built-in defense mechanism against this type of paradox: their memory erases itself.
@@adamhenry7043ooh do you think the Tardis does it for them? Erase the memory? Or do they have to consciously do that? Or is it like an instinct to forget as a Timelord?
I remember loving these, they're actually very nice and poignant minisodes. I'm glad that The Husbands of River Song retconned the Darillium ending though, it made for an amazing scene between Kingston and Capaldi.
It's not exactly a retcon. Canonically, the Doctor kept finding a way out of taking her to the Singing Towers of Derilium every time it looked like they were headed there, until the one he couldn't get out of. It was the Doctor's way of trying to head off River's trip to the Library for as long as possible. River says "he's been promising forever." If it was up to him, forever is how long he'd put off keeping that promise.
This is true! If you watch the scene where Capaldi has her at the towers and she talks about how "there were stories about this being our last night" she mentions how he "kept canceling" going, and goes on to say "remember when there were two of you" referencing this scene. It basically confirms that he canceled going again in this mini-sode, likely last minute.
@@woodrobin I had never heard that line before, thanks for pointing it out!
I don't remember which episode or minisode, but the outfit of the 'second' doctor is the same one he wears when he has the goldfish. So I am guessing he cancelled going to Darillium for that.
I feel like that story would be better with matt no Peter, not saying that episode was bad but it would make sense if it was matt
That last part always gets me . My heart breaks 💔
And then Moffat tricked us again
@@PenneySounds true. .
I want a relationship like that. Minus the time travel stuff. I just mean playful, flirty, intellectually stimulating. They're so fun to watch.
I want a relationship like that with the Time travel
I found one like that, I love it
I love their dynamic so much it's unreal. If i don't have these kind of silly flirty exchangs with my future man i don't want it
Sorry, I'm taken :-)
I’d settle for one of those
I have to say it again. The character River is awesome and Alex who plays her is a unique beauty.
And in three distinct iterations
I love River so much. And yes, Alex plays her brilliantly.
I admit when River was first introduced in "Silence in the Library" and "Forest of the Dead", I completely fell in love with her.
And I never get enough of her!!
But the only character that I love more than her is Idris!!
I really do fancy the Doctor's love interests -- except for Rose. I liked Rose but I never thought she was really right for the Doctor as a romantic interest
But River Song and then Idris -- the two perfect women for the Doctor!!
She so is. But I wish they had conditioned her hair more, the perm masse it a bit too frizzy..
She wrote a book from river song's point of view
"Parents are asleep upstairs" makes them sound like teenagers sneaking around lol love it! ❤😊
Matt Smith is just an amazing actor. At the end where his smile slowly fades when River mentions Derilium and the pain comes out in his eyes... heartbreaking
Yet we find out with the 12th doctor 11 kept canceling to go there unfortunately it caught up to him and had no choice but to go there it’s actually really sad knowing how she dies all the times he spends with her and al other times he canceled going to the singing towers was his way of trying to save river from the library
Tye doctor hates endings
The saddest part is that *all* his Companions, all his relationships except the Master/Missy, are really the same thing - he *knows* he's going to outlive all of them, by several orders of magnitude. Only Matt Smith's Doctor didn't have this certainty, because he thought he was on his *last* Regeneration, but even then a single life of his could (and did) outlive whole generations of humans. When Missy compared Clara to the old couple's puppy, she wasn't exactly wrong. River Song was on a little more equal footing, given the way they met, and after she gave up her remaining Regenerations to save him, they were actually both in the same boat, with one lifetime left to them. One wonders if he was hoping that her last life would last several hundred years, like some of his did.
@@CritterKeeper01 ya that’s exactly what I was thinking if certain things had been different river not being taken by the silence being a killer killing the doctor and giving up her remaining lives the doctor would have had the perfect soul mate
@@CritterKeeper01 yeah thats something not explained or i dont remember being explained in the show..when matt was in trenzalore he aged and became old in just a few hundred years but in other time he stayed young for almost double the time because timelords have a symbiotic relationship with the tardis..as long as they are going in and out of tardis./ being with it..travelling with it..they dont age at all.so technically if the doctor never got killed/hurt he could be immortal in just one iteration
@@CritterKeeper01 Jack is an exception too. He’s got a long way to go before he ages into the face of boe.
That shared look between them at 4:38, Future Doctor feeling the weight of where he's going, Past Doctor realizing where he's taking her. That genuinely breaks my heart.
It really speaks for Kingston's skills how she manages to make the three versions come off noticeably different.
Though Matt does a very good job too with his expression coming undone at the word "Darillium"
"he's taking me to the singing towers" guess he cancelled again
She points out to 12 when they do end up there that he always cancelled on taking her, and specifically mentions this night as an example of one of the times he cancelled.
@@brch2 I don´t think she knew about 11 regenerating into 12...
@cargo71 she doesn't know at the beginning, but by the end she knows of 12
The most perfect love story in less than 6 minutes.
My favourite bit has to be -
Doctor: 'You've got 10 minutes; get dressed'
River: 'That is so nearly the perfect sentence'
Goddamnit, I can't imagine how much it would hurt to know exactly how the love of your life would die, and constantly being reminded even as you're falling for her the first time. Like, holy fuck. And Smith does a wonderful job showing that, those tiny cracks in the Doctor's armor
The way his face falls when she brings up the singing towers gets me every time. Matt is an amazing actor
Seeing how 12 was the one to bring river to the singing towers. Would that mean 11 changed his mind and avoided bringing her there, delaying the inevitable until 12.
In fact, there's a very blink-and-you'll-miss-it reference to this minisode in that episode, where river confirms this being one of many times he cancelled on bringing her there
actually it already has been mentioned in The Husbands of River Song
'You always cancel, remember that time there was two of you?'
From The Husbands of River Song
@@thesimpsons17"that was a whole different birthday" haha
I was never that into Matt but the depth of emotion shown in his face in this. Beautiful
Eyes with looks that showed centuries of hurt, despite having a young-looking body, is one of the things that made me appreciate Matt's portrayal of the Doctor.
I didn't pay much attention to Matt as I was watching the stories that season. Then I saw him in Mapplethorpe and just fell out. Then I bought & watched his DVD series and thought, this guy is a great actor. Then I saw Lennon and then Manson ("charley says") and can't wait to see more.
What a face!
Oh cool! I re-watched "The Husbands Of River Song" for the first time in a while, and this short is referenced! Near the end, River mentions The Doctor always keeps delaying their trip to the Towers and says "Remember when there were two of you". Very cool detail.
4:39 i love how he looks at himself there, he already knows how he’s going to react to hearing that because he remembers
"Parents are asleep."
Has anyone ever wondered how on Earth you can sleep on the Tardis when it's always shaking and feeling like it's crashing??
Hammocks
@@PenneySounds According to Rory there are bunk beds in the room Amy and him sleep in.
That's your concern? Mine is, how is there a day/night cycle in the tardis
Wow! I couldn't even tell it was an edit. Brilliantly done!
The giveaway is no cast credits in the title sequence
The fact this still exists in this quality it excellent
I can't believe I was so bold as to think I had seen every episode of Doctor who with Matt Smith until I stumbled across "minisodes"!!!! It's like having another chance to watch Matt Smith as the doctor with new episodes. Yay!!!!
I've compiled as many as I can into a playlist in story order, so hopefully those who missed them can finally see them
This is me! Today!
@@PenneySounds hello you are a legend
Sooooo thankful. Kisses😙😙😙
3:29 I love the way he adds “dear” to the version of river from the future
I loved their storyline and it never even occurred to me about the age difference.
It's funny. Alex Kingston is 19 years older than Matt Smith, but still he comes across as a weary old man and she comes across as a vivacious young woman in love.
I watch a lot of french cinema. The men fall in love w the essence of the woman and age doesnt come into play. Love that in the french. Im american and its all about age.
@@grandmalovesmebest I hate it when people judge a relationship for age difference despite it's between two consenting adults
I love how seamlessly this combines comedy with tragedy.
Turing 60 this year and Alex looks as fabulous as she ever does.
Matt's face...
He's such a good actor!
I literally love them both so much.
It's amazing how his expression can become so cold and sad and also very telling yet mysterious
The second River coming in and just saying, "Hold me!" 😆
The dread you can see in the Doctor’s eyes throughout the entire clip slowly fills. Starts with joyful and then turns to worry. Then those worried eyes turns to old, then to depressed.
For those who didn't know, this is actually from of a series of four shorts, two involving Amy ("Bad Night" "Good Night") and two involving River ("First Night" "Last Night").
Thank you for putting these together so neatly!
There's a fifth too, called "Up All Night", which is essentially an episode prequel to "Closing Time", following Craig. All 5 episodes get copyright blocked if you upload them to UA-cam, but these edits are fair use. I can't think of any way I can edit the 5th minisode though
I actually had a tear in my eye when the two docs had a chat
The deepest and complex love story ever created.
i really appreciate the "new" river content you're producing
I've never seen this. I saw the one with multiple Amy's and Rory's in the Tardis but not this one. Thank you.
I didn't know this was a fan edit, this strings together so well
It's not a fan edit. A number of mini-episodes were filmed and only released online. They're like little throwaway thoughts that the writers had which never made it into a full episode.
This is a fan edit. I combined two of those minisodes together.
These were some of the best. So much crammed into these smaller episodes but so full of everything
Awww... she is just so perfect! Missed her so much!
Damn, that ending. The Doctor wants to tell River so very badly so he can change her fate but he can't because if he does he'll cause a paradox.
Damn the Paradox, she told him not to rewrite those times, not one line
Smith was my favourite Doctor, and I will never waver in this 😊
I'm really glad that you've done this because I had No idea this existed. It's so crazy that there's all these little Fantastic little extras about with just as much high quality production and scripts and so few people know about them ❤️
Don't forget to check out the playlist for more minisodes. It's got every one that doesn't get blocked by UA-cam copyright detection.
@@PenneySounds thank you! I will 😊
these two still break my heart even so many years later
By far the best of the new doctors, actor and stories.
I only now have discovered these mini episodes and it's very pleasant to have the dr and these characters back in my life for a while
I love it! Thank you very much for posting this, as well as the explanation with it. I have always had the feeling I was missing something, especially in the story around River Song and 11th Doctor, I just couldn't figure out what.
It is NOT long enough!! I love this mini episodes so MUCH, there's not enough of River and The Doctor 🤩😍🤩🥰 They are the best together! I wish do much there were more moments of them together 💝💕
This one and Space/Time are honestly my two favorite Doctor Who stories.
Also love that River is in prison for the death of the guy who breaks her out of prison
I have an extended version of "Space and Time" too that includes the full story arc
I always forget how much I love this minisode as it shows off the incredible talent of Matt Smith and Alex Kingston as actors, as well as moving the incredible story of River Song forward in a clever, timey wimey way.
Can we just recognize how sad this is when you think about it
“What else are you going to do…spank me”
RIVER SONG!!
"You'll be the death of me"
His face: 😭
"the dress is a little daring"
"yep, so i went for this instead"
😂 underrated joke honestly. i can 100% see 11 rocking a dress though
the look on his face at the end says so much without a single word
So back then we all thought "Last Night" was the last moment of River Song with The Doctor before the Library.
And then we saw how broken 11th Doctor after losing Amy Pond and Rory Williams. We also thought he already done Darillium but turn out he didn't because The Doctor doesn't like ending.
And when 11th Doctor want to search Clara in his own time-stream on Tranzelore, River Song (who already a ghost data) panic, fearing The Doctor will lose in time because turn out The Doctor still not taking her to Darilium until his next regeneration.
Then she implies that he will have one more adventure with her after she died
RIVER: Oh, there's one more thing.
DOCTOR: Isn't there always?
RIVER: I was mentally linked with Clara. If she's really dead, then how can I still be here?
DOCTOR: Okay, how?
RIVER: Spoilers. Goodbye, sweetie.
@@PenneySounds Where is this quote from?
@@TYANTOWERS The end of "Name Of The Doctor", River's last appearance in her chronology
@@PenneySounds I thought that was supposed to imply Clara wasn't dead, but mabye I'm wrong?
River is probably the reason why he doesn't like endings.
He met her end before seeing how she began.
ive been watching doctor who for years and its mad that I haven't seen this. its always so nice having new stuff of the old doctors to watch 😁
So wonderfully written. That was the first time I've seen it - a decade later ! Such a gift !
Clearly I am living my life backwards. I'll see it for the first time five months ago.
OMG thank you for this video and quality ❤️
Thank u so much for making these, I get to actually watch them on UA-cam, subbed, u rock! 🙌😀
Check out the playlist for more. There are still a couple of minisodes that aren't available on UA-cam, but I've found almost all of them and assembled them in story order.
I actually really enjoyed these shorts. Space/Time is another good one
This is both beautiful and very sad. It was a good thing Doctor Who was so funny because so much of what happened (both in the show and to the character) was so incredibly sad.
This made me cry so hard the second I heard the durillam and the singing towns I could not stop think of river saying this
"You took me to the durillam to see the singing towers oh what I night that was the towers sang and you cried you would tell me why"
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Wow the time they put into the story of river is crazy all the way from the first time we meet her I hope we get to see more of her in the 14th and 15th doctor
I think River's story line was peak doctor who. I love River so much
0:45 so are you telling me The doctor was punching in the coordinates to pick up future river while talking about the 400 Foot tree on the north side of the mountain in the middle of the sea? Man talk about multitasking
nah, he was just pretending to do so. He doesn't actually know how to operate the TARDIS; she ('sexy') just pretends he does and takes him where he needs to be. ;)
Love these videos... in the earlier one (where comments are turned off due to people whining about something else, I love how Amy says "I hate you" and the Dr. replies "No you don't". Just like in the Husbands of River Song.
Yeah, I think it was Moffat running out of ways to end the scene. Judging by the immense workload he had at this time I'd say he wrote these pretty fast, so probably just defaulted to something familiar, seeing as that's generally a Doctor/River thing.
U can really see how happy the scriptwriter was that they didn't have to conform to the """"""pg"""""" ratings of public television
Glad I finally got to see these!
I cannot believe that "spoilers" is a bootstrap paradox!!! The Doctor got it from River, and now we see she got it from him.... so who started it
Actually no. Ten says it to Donna shortly before meeting River.
Oh this is wonderful. Perfection. So many thanks.
Alex Kingston is a real phenomenon as River Song. What an actress...
Doctor: River, come over
River: I can't. I'm in prison
Doctor: Your parents are asleep ;)
Just noticed that the older 11th was dressed the same as in another minisode Bad Night (in which when Amy killed a fly---a prince)
I love ‘em all but for some reason Matt is my fave. Adorable 😊
3:41 That is the *HOTTEST* she EVER looked on the show, my GOD. That woman is a goddamn SMOKESHOW and she doesn't even know it.
There's even a bowtie on the front of the dress for godssakes. 11 was such a simp for River Song, jesus...
My favorite thing about the mini episodes is the long close-ups of the Tardis console.
Later we find out that he actually chickened out on going to Darillium (at least this time)
I like to think the tardis purposely did this to mess with the Doctor
"You'll be the death of me"......
a few days ago I finished series 9, and saw "the husbands of riversong", it still hurts, a lot
His reaction when he sees future River in the dress though 😂 Funnier considering she was wearing it in Day of the Moon and he must have seen it when she jumped into his pool.
I am so glad that wasn`t the end of River as Alex just puts so much into herself playing River!!
Thank you so much Penney!!!
My favourite Doctor I like David Tennant as do many others but Matt Smith will always be my favourite
THANK YOU FOR THIS!
River Song: Two of you? The mind races.
Jack Harkness: You're telling me.
Thank you! This is awesome!
I always love coming back to these episodes and Minisodes, so nostaligic and my favourite era of Dr Who. From this one, I always love how The Doctor got "Spoilers" from River Song, who got it from the Doctor... Maybe we should get Twelve with his Guitar to explain Bootstrap Paradoxes again! 😅