The Daleks Showing the Doctor's True Nature
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- I threw together this video showing Doctor Who’s ongoing theme of the Doctor and his worst enemies being more similar than he may like. It is also a medium for the show’s ongoing theme that nobody is one-dimensional, and everybody has a “good” and an “evil” side.
View the full scene-by-scene analysis here: medium.com/@ProfSmiles/the-da...
Scene list:
0:00 - Series 1 Episode 6 “Dalek”
1:30 - Series 1 Episode 6 “Dalek”
2:12 - Series 1 Episode 13 “The Parting of Ways”
3:20 - Series 1 Episode 13 “The Parting of Ways”
4:26 - Series 4 Episode 13 “Journey’s End”
4:58 - Series 4 Episode 13 “Journey’s End”
6:54 - Series 4 Episode 13 “Journey’s End”
7:25 - Series 5 Episode 3 “Victory of the Daleks”
7:46 - Series 5 Episode 3 “Victory of the Daleks”
8:03 - Series 5 Episode 3 “Victory of the Daleks”
9:44 - Series 5 Episode 12 “The Pandorica Opens”
10:23 - Series 5 Episode 12 “The Pandorica Opens”
11:01 - Series 5 Episode 12 “The Pandorica Opens”
13:38 - Series 7 Episode 1 “Asylum of the Daleks”
14:13 - Series 7 Episode 1 “Asylum of the Daleks”
14:51 - Series 8 Episode 2 “Into the Dalek”
16:27 - Series 8 Episode 2 “Into the Dalek”
17:08 - Series 9 Episode 1 “The Magician’s Apprentice”
17:28 - Series 9 Episode 1 “The Magician’s Apprentice”
17:42 - Series 9 Episode 2 “The Witch’s Familiar”
18:01 - Series 9 Episode 2 “The Witch’s Familiar”
18:54 - Series 9 Episode 2 “The Witch’s Familiar”
20:24 - Series 9 Episode 2 “The Witch’s Familiar”
20:52 - Series 9 Episode 2 “The Witch’s Familiar” - Фільми й анімація
"you would make a good Dalek". I dont think anything a Dalek could have told him could ever shock him more.
Michel van der Linden michlevanderLinden
Especially considering at the "end" or last day of the Time War, both sides where willing to destroy all of existence itself to "win."
7:18, when Davros is saying the Doctor is the destroyers of worlds like it's some sort of insult. I think it's more envy than anything, considering what he was trying to do.
Thing is. He would make a very good dalek
Yeah, ten years ago. Problem is they are still milking this plot point whenever convenient, which makes for lazy storytelling.
“A nameless terrible thing soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies, the most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it or hold it or reason with it, one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world” this hits different when you realize it’s about the doctor and it’s all kind of true
It really all is
Technically it's not that hard to reason with him. Just tell him, "okay, we won't do the horrible thing you don't want us to do." Pretty much all of his victims were being killed while attempting murder, genocide, or something similar.
How the hell is it true? He's a guy who goes places and waves a magic wand/flashlight at things until everyone is safe. It has no connection to the blathering portentous crap RTD filled his dialogue with.
@@Archone666 I beg to differ. I think the point of saying you can't reason with the Doctor, is that generally his mind is already made up. You're bad you're bad. The Doctor can't see the beauty in the Daleks. He can't understand the Dalek's intention. I believe that is the point of that particular the line. Of course cybermen and daleks wouldn't be able to reason with something that is unreasonable at least to them.
@@calibribody6776 On the contrary, he's always giving them warnings. Hell, he even sighed miserably as David Tennant's Doctor when he admitted, "I'm so old... I used to be more generous. ONE chance. That was it." In fact, he's always giving them a chance to walk away before they get genocided.
Also, the Dalek's intention is to exterminate all non-Dalek life... at which point they'll die too, because they're so inferior without their salt-shaker mecha that they keep having to recruit the Doctor to save them. So... no, there's no "beauty" in the Daleks. They were created by an insane lunatic and the only virtues they have keep getting smothered by their own fanatical ideology.
Dalek and the 9th Doctor: "You WOULD make a good Dalek"
Dalek and the 12th Doctor: "You ARE a good Dalek"
The Daleks are in every episode after all.
Shows the doctors change into what he is now. A being of hatred towards the daleks
@@LeftytheGansterGremlin
Thank you, General McArthur.
@@hectorandem2944 You're welcome!
Nicolas Charron didn’t they try? During the war? He even said he saw thousands of ships were on fire, who else would have set them on fire?
I love how the pandorica was said to contain the most powerful thing in existence, and it ends up holding The Doctor.
ThePianoGiraffe Not just holding The Doctor, but being made by the Doctor's enemies who are all enemies of each other...only united with each other by The Doctor.
@@alexanderriley2979 such sad poetry made out of life itself
It’s a surprisingly accurate description lol
Well..... It wasn't wrong
"A trickster a jester, Sometimes a warrior, Falls out of the sky and massacre thousands" A cage for something that causes so much fear is so many
The didn't give him a gun they gave him a screwdriver to fix things.
They didn't give him a powerful spaceship they gave him a police box to call for help.
Lara Rečnik I love that
He stole the TARDIS though.
I'll leave.
@@roejogan8683 Well he borrowed it.....he wanted to return it.
And the Tardis stole him, he didn’t steal the Tardis. That’s what the Tardis says when it became a human(I’m not sure of the exact episode)
When he needed help most he had no one left to call
"You are going to stop the Cybermen with 4 Daleks?"
"We would stop the cybermen with ONE Dalek!"
"Cybermen are superior to the Daleks in one respect, you are better at DYING"
The Daleks were low-key savages
“… did you spend all day in your giant ball, coming up with that?”
@@elijahhayter3026 "This isn't war; this is Cyber Bullying"
@@elijahhayter3026Dalek Sec: It is not a sphere, it is a Void Ship!
@fionnconnelly6004 *pest control
Edit:didn't know lol
@@fionnconnelly6004"This isn't war, it is pest control!"
"You would make a good Dalek."
Me:.......**stunned by how powerful that one line**
Caleb Kopp Calebkopp
How about this
dalek: I SHOW MERCY
I love how this can have 2 different meanings:
YOU would make a good Dalek, or
you would make a GOOD Dalek
The latter was explored in season 8
Caleb Kopp Christ I feel the same
Its a cop out ploy unfortunately the doctor is a coward as the elimination of the daleks is only ever a good outcome given their tendency to as they say exterminate
David Tennant had the best emotional expressions for the Doctor. you really believed the pain and the loneliness. But also how terrifying he could be
Totally agree
I'm actually partial to 9; He conveyed shock, agony and hatred so vividly, it'd made you forget he's talking to a fuckin' puppet.
No..... Tom Baker is the best doctor, longest running and portrayed him best. Most good doctors try to emulate what he did
9's face when the broken Dalek said "You would make a good Dalek" is my favourite moment of the Doctor talking to a Dalek. Christopher Eccleston's face as that moment is just amazing. He also had the most in common with that Dalek, both of them believing to be the Last. Both of them broken (the Dalek Physically, the Doctor Mentally).
But for me, David Tennant is and always will be the best Doctor. I think it's likely due to the fact that he was my first Doctor. Your first Doctor is always special.
you can read the shame in his eyes, unbelivable acting skills.
can I just say, eccleston is seriously underrated
He had his cheesy moments but by all means wasnt a bad doctor.
He was an amazing doctor, and honestly I think he would’ve been as acclaimed as Tennant had he been in for a few seasons
Yeah he was kind of like the George Lazenby of the Doctor Who Universe had only one shot one season never to be always forgotten but you can never forget the performance he captured in one season I like the fact that Tom Baker did make one more appearance in the rebooted Doctor Who series that was brilliant I don't know what they did to bring him out of retirement but it was the right thing to do Tom Baker did marry one of the actresses that played his assistants the one with two hearts
I really wish he'd been on that anniversary special. It would've been magnificent.
Thank you
" You think hatred is _beautiful_ "
" Perhaps that is why we've never been able to kill you "
That gave me chills
Doctor wins the Dalek's beauty contest without trying. They're the Dalek's bloody Mr/Mrs Universe.
Maxime Saindon literally bloody lol
true love
Without the other side of the story. You cant have the whole story.
“You’d make a good Dalek” had me mate, to me, I think that The Doctor considers that as one of the worst insults capable to him.
" Coward any day" That was 9th's redemption and why in my opinion he seemed cheerful about regenerating. He was so scarred by the Time War. He needed that choice " Killer or Coward ?" To become the true Doctor again. Much like the War doctor in Day of the Doctor.
How does this have 352 likes and no comments?
@@lucydevon6938 What else can be said
I blame Rose Tyler.
yeah, but sadly it led to 10 who I could not stand to save my life . . .
Serena Odonata I respect your opinion, but every doctor is great!
“I am alone in the Universe..”
Doctor: *laughs*
“So... are... YOU”
The chills I got from that line
I need a video of Dalek roasts
*Dalek before be said that* im about to exterminate this mans whole career
Y. A. N. A.
WERE NOT THE SAME I AM NOT the rage in Christophers eyes was amazing acting
really shows christopher eccleston was actually a pretty good doctor
i always liked Chris, just tenant
was Always the best
He was. We just didn't have the time to see more of the 9th (10th, if you count the War Doctor as the actual 9th) Doctor.
You can't really get an accurate opinion on a character if he was only around for one season.
He was never bad, people just collectively agreed that Tennant was better, which kinda overshadowed Eccleston.
having seen every episode of the show including all of the classics, chris is without doubt my favourite doctor
SHINOBI JACK aaaaaaaaaaaa
"I hate good wizards and fairytales they always turn out to be him" is the best line in this video
Ironic that the wizards were the aliens in this case and the Doctor was the trapped.
Agent1Gaming the doctor tricked himself into coming, meaning he was the wizard and the being which rained hell onto any planet. Quite poetic
It was wonderfully subverted--even double-subverted, as MMM said.
It was so funny. Deus ex machina really meant Doctor in TARDIS!
"A good Dalek" has a double meaning. They can be saying, like to the 9th Doctor, "you would be skilled at being what a Dalek is" ie hateful, destructive, objectively evil, but it could also mean "you are a Dalek that is good" as in, you are everything the Daleks are, but for non-evil reasons. Like the old saying: the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Hiccup Hufflepuff 'The road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions' - Describes every version of the doctor to be honest.
to be a dalek is to be pure evil, being a particularly good dalek means you're better at doing what dalek's do.
like with the doctor, he's able to rid all the dalek's from taking over the universe.
but sure, he isn't an evil being. so of course the doctor being a good dalek, would mean he's dalek like, towards a positive universe.
Hiccup Hufflepuff No, Daleks aren't good. It's obvious what it means.
I also noticed this double meaning.
give me a medal.
Dude you just blew my third eye wide open...
i love how the doctor tells missy to run, not because something would hurt her, not because they were surrounded by daleks, but because he was scared of what HE would do, because HE was scared of HIMSELF
What could he supposedly do?
@@kevinfranklin7913 oh you don't wanna know
@@besnick remember that one episode set in a horror hotel, with an emphasis on fear and faith...they never did show the interior of the room with what The Doctor fears the most...i'm half convinced it's himself, or at least an aspect of it.
@@TheHayatesoul probably the valeyard or the timelord victorious, both of which are him but all the darker parts
@TheHayatesoul it was revealed in the time of the doctor when he sees the crack in the wall on Trensalor. There's a quick clip to him looking in room 11 in the hotel and in his eye you can see a reflection of that crack.
0:50 "I am alone in the universe" ...If only, Dalek. If only.
Remember back when the 9th was on air and that was actually a legit possibility, before the execs seems to mutually agree that Daleks needed to appear in every single season afterwards?
Good times.
Its to do with the rights to the character of the daleks. The BBC has to have them at least appear in each season of Doctor Who or else they loose the right to use them forever.
Finn Underwood d
Somewhere in the ever-branching potentialities of time this is true.
The true nature of time is an alien concept to three dimensional beings who are caught in its flow.
Even in David's time, the only remaining Daleks were in between universes during that statement, and David destroys them, furthering that proof since that statement was in the future.
I actually didn't have much of an issue with the Dalek's constantly appearing in the first 4 seasons. As at least their appearances maintained continuity story wise.
1st season - One Dalek falls out of the time war, ends up killing itself, Dalek Emperor's ship falls out of the Time War and he builds a new race of Daleks from humans.
2nd season - Cult of Skaro introduced, Daleks are kept inside the Genesis Ark.
3rd season - Cult of Skaro returns and attempts to evolve using humans fail, all the Dalek's are killed with the exception of Dalek Caan
4th season - Dalek Caan's temporal shift took him into the Time War where he was able to save Davros's ship from being destroyed and he builds a whole new ton of Daleks.
Granted, they probably should have spaced these stories out a bit more, but it was under Moffat where the Dalek stories lost any sense of continuity IMO.
*I AM NOT A GOOD DALEK! YOU .. ARE A GOOD DALEK!*
rolls away like a boss!
Robert Currie Yes Brother He is a good dalek. *Temporal Shifts like a Badass*
I love the way that Dalek just continues to stare down the Doctor as he turns and leaves. Such sass.
16:45
Shady little queen Dalek. 😂
that's the episode when capaldi really became the doctor.....
and such an awesome doctor he was...and a good dalek...
I always felt so bad for Harriet Jones because he got her fired but she sacrificed herself for him.
Ben Gale Harriet Jones resigned when she did not know what the doctor said about her to her assistant
That was her redemption. and his punishment
She also kinda killed a ship of aliens that were leaving for no actual reason
@@theramenshamen9599 perfect reason, give the others a reason to stay away
@@MrSticklife That didn't help.
Christopher Eccleston was such a good doctor...
Matt Dave You misspelled Dalek.
Matt Dave I admit I underrated him. That was a very powerful performance.
True
Matt Dave and if there was one thing he could do its talk
He was my first doctor and will always be my favourite
The Doctor was already known as "Ka Faraq Gatri" (Destroyer of Worlds), most notably as the 7th Doctor, who destroyed Skaro (with Davros literally begging for pity). However, the name goes as far back as the 2nd Doctor, so Davros is basically just saying "You are still the destroyer of worlds, Doc - but let me clarify for our new era of fans that you, sir, are one bitter-ass Time Lord."
RopeDrink
Thanks for explaining that. I always found that part a bit weird; Davros was literally going to destroy all of creation, yet he called The Doctor the 'Destroyer of Worlds.'
Which language is that
Ka Faraq Gatri
Davros calling the Doctor the Destroyer of Worlds might also be a kind of compliment coming from him. He wanted to wipe out every other race, and made the most advanced killing creatures ever, and still failed. Whereas the Doctor. This one man, has accomplished Infinitely more than he could
Kharn The Betrayer whereas the doctor literally destroyed his entire species, the most advanced and superior civilization, all by himself
"Dalek have a concept of beauty" why do I keep on imagining a dalek fashion show
I laughed at that so hard because I'm imagining the Doctor getting a trophy every year for winning the Dalek's beauty contests.
Daleks rolling down the runway in a little dress
😂😂😂😂
“DALEKS HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ELEGANCE.”
*_”Impure”/Hybrid Dalek rolls down the hallway in black casing, spiky “hair” accessories on the dome, a ring on the eyestalk, and black glossy polish on the whisk._*
“WHAT BEAUTIFUL HATRED...”
"The Dance of Death"
Heres the music for the dalek fashion show.
ua-cam.com/video/PGNiXGX2nLU/v-deo.html
You know you have one amazing show when your lead character is both the most respected and loved person in the universe and also the most feared.
Vash from Trigun, Space Dandy as an inverse on respected.
"An ancient creature, drenched in the blood of innocents. Death would be a blessing...
Wasn't talking about the Daleks."
You forget one thing. He would always hesitate. He would always spare them, if he could. After all that the daleks have done, to the universe and to him, ask yourself: would you hesitate? Would you falter for even a second to destroy them? Would you ever even CONSIDER showing mercy?
The Doctor always would.
and that's why trillions die. =(
I can neither argue nor deny that. What you say is true. I know it, and the Doctor knows it. He knows that his mercy dooms countless people, and he has to live with that. The Doctor's greatest strength is arguably his greatest flaw as well: his unwillingness to let a single soul die if he can help it, regardless of whether they deserve it or not.
James Greep
The Doctor has killed more than Daleks have.
Jeck Jeck. Yes. He's killed countless Trillions. He killed his entire species, which is something the Daleks would never do, the Extermination of all life that isn't Dalek is their goal. The other Daleks are surprised when the 'Good Dalek' starts shooting them, they'd never considered betrayal possible.
But the difference is, the Doctor feels bad about it. He's an extremely broken man. He remembers everyone who he's ever killed or who died for him. The Dalek's don't care, they kill and move on. The Doctor remembers.
The first Dalek episode he didn't hesitate
The scene where he thinks about those who have fallen is even more emotional when thinking about 12s speech in Doctor Falls. He's just trying to be kind and to help as many good people as possible.
im not crying cause of that its just...........allergies ya allergies
What timestamp are you referring to, please?
he is refering to about 6:20
Yea, but Adric should’ve been in that montage...
Capaldi and Smith inspired way more emotion
3:30
Emperor Dalek: “I am immortal.”
Nine: “Do you wanna put that to the test?”
8:42 "you do not require some tea?" the dalek says whilst being battered with a spanner
Very British 😂
Always kinda loved the irony during the whole Pandorica fiasco. I remember hearing him talking about the "Trickster" and thinking *"ok how in the hell are they NOT talking about you?"*
The Dalek made the eye stalks so they could give everyone the stink eye at all times.
Mr Eboric there's just sadness in my eye
"There are _colonies_ out there. The human race would survive in some form, but you're the _only_ Daleks in existence."
It always bothered me just how arrogantly he made this pronouncement; especially what with how many times it turned out to be dead wrong. You can't _ever_ be sure that all the Daleks are gone.
Well, from the Doctor's point of view, Skaro was wiped out and the Emperor's ship had simply got lucky and slipped out of the Time War. The Doctor believed that using the moment had wiped out the Daleks entirely. Worth noting too that these Daleks were made using human beings and were not therefore 'pure daleks'.
99% certainty, though, is _not_ 100% certainty. The Doctor, however he manifests, _really_ should know that.
I think the reality of the Doctor using the moment and believing he didn't actually wipe out all of the daleks yet was forced to sacrifice his entire planet, family and people probably made him suppress any idea of that.
you say that like anything can be 100% certain, but it simply isnt. there isnt one thing other than maths you can say is true without any amount of certainty
Also the impact of that moment was deadened somewhat by how often the Daleks returned. It was good when it aired but given they came back about once a year then at some point stopped being an nearly extinct species and started having Asylums and death camps and wars of extermination across the universe (all with no explanation for how they recovered I might add) really smashed the intensity of that moment. The same way bringing back Gallifrey in the 50th undercut the emotional through line of the first five or six seasons of the show.
I kinda felt a bit disappointed when we found out he didn't actually destroy Gallifrey. Knowing the Doctor actually blew everyone including his own planet up really added depth to his character. He is the Doctor, he does good because he was trying to make up for all the horrible things he did. He is the one who ran. You could only imagine the survivor's guilt he felt.
I liked it when it was darker.
Dream bug it was a surprise, but the character was still there. He wouldn’t remember not destroying his people, and would continue to live with the guilt.
It also gives the viewer at home hope, even if he thinks he's a genocidal murderer, the viewers can hope one day he'll remember
For me, just the fact that he thinks he did it means that he could have done it. And that alone gives the character a dark enought tone
great observation
Tetherack Holmes He would remember up until 11. 12 seemed to still have a darker tone, but 13 seems to be entirely free of guilt
Davros was cruel but truthful, many people have died because of the Doctor but all of them were a kind of sacrifice. Think about that.
The life of an immortal will always be filled with this, legions of dead friends and followers.
the doctor, the man who keeps running but never looks back,not out of shame, but out of misery and sadness.
Bernie Manderson Berniemanderson
@@berniemanderson7177 And Davros calls misery and sadness shameful. He is, after all, where the Daleks got the idea that hate was the only useful emotion.
Sacrifice is a viewpoint, which side of the coin you look at :
one side they gladly jumped in the line of fire
The other - they got caught in the crossfire
To The Doctor it was the latter, blaming himself for not being able to stop their deaths himself that's why what the Darlek and Davros said to him got to him - he CARED about those deaths
It's not really his "true nature", it's just another facet of the whole of his individuality.
I agree. I've been of the opinion that when The Doctor regenerates, aspects of his personality are shuffled. Everything is there, but the prominence of difference aspects changes. An example of this is with The Fifth Doctor and The Sixth Doctor who almost seem to be opposites. Yet each has personality aspects that we'd seen before in the preceding regenerations.
Yeah, but even beside that on a individual level, each person has aspects of their themselves that are darker/negative/evil/base whatever you want to call it. It annoys me when people say stuff like "showing his true colours", "their true nature", etc. It's like it's implying that all the kindness compassion the Doctor (or any character/person it's applied to) has is just a veneer to hide some kind of more brutal or savage personality. People can be both and most of society doesn't seem to understand that; in their eyes someone is just "bad" or "good".
thats true, though i believe the implication is that its something that is nearly unshakable for The Doctor; the ability to make grandiose decisions that results in an entire species agony, death, or defeat. Sometimes they are unforeseen or for the greater good, sometimes everyone gets what they want, besides the folks that don't yield, but those decisions are still made. You can't undo the big decisions, and the doctor has made many, and some of those decisions are very memorable and exploitable, especially to something as sinister as some daleks.
The Pandorica opens scene in this was basically just Suicide Squad gone right.
@Legend Spryzen Requiem Villains coming together to stop something more evil.
Predated O doctor really ain’t bad
@@sushimemestar2210 "Good men don't need rules, today is not the day to find out why i have so many." Remember this line?
The most evil creatures in the universe... Inside giant cans that kill people with plungers and whisks.
😂😂😂
The galactic salt n pepper shakers of doom
Yes, it's delicious, isn't it!
War, War never changes. And this quote may apply: To defeat an enemy you must know them, not simply their battle tactics but their history, philosophy, art.
Thrawn would prove quite the opponent againest the Daleks
Know thy enemy. But take care. Or you might become thy enemy.
Or better worded. When you hunt monsters, take care that you don't become the monster you hunt.
Amazing.
"If one is to understand the great mystery,one must study all its aspects"
Indeed @@rumblerush7074 you must. Good is but a point of view.
Christopher Elecelston is brilliant as Doctor who the daleks are Doctor who best enemy it’s a love hate relationship between them
He hates them but they're are the only thing that reminds him of his home and his people
His season is super underrated. That intro scene where the doctor meets Rose's mother.. describes the character so well.
The following 3 doctors felt too similar to eachother
The whole Dalek episode and Elecelston is almost raving at times at how dangerous the Dalek is, and when Rose actually starts to change the Dalek's mind, there's 9 ready to blow the whole thing to kingdom come, and Rose has to talk him down. Such a great episode, so far from the later episodes.
'The man who keeps running; never looking back because he *dare* not, out of shame.' What an incredible line.
9: Anger
10: Fear
11: Outrage
12: Hatred
13: Irritancy
The 11th Doctor beating the shit out of the Ironside in rage was perfection.
I never realized how into character Christopher Eccelston got as the Doctor when going against the Daleks.
Man, I’m so grateful I was a young teenager watching Doctor Who with Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant.
I loved all those episodes, truly quality television.
I’m sure some day I’ll enjoy them all over again too
Funny story, when I was younger I couldn't tell the difference between the 10th and the 11th doctor
"You would make a good Dalek."
The Doctor's worst enemy says, that he could be a perfect Dalek, becuse he thinks like one. Oh God, I miss the RTD era!
What is the RTD?
@@wompwomp9904 Rusty T Davis, the showrunner before Stephen Moffat.
I love Davors all but flat out said the Daleks have a love/hate thing for the Doctor because he's so hateful that it makes him freaking gorgeous to them.
poor darlek in the first clip, realzing he is alone, his entire race, exterminated...
If only he knew they would come back every few episodes
@@samtownend6744 Also it was faking it to try and get the dr (and later rose) to touch it
Ngl, I did actually feel quite bad for the Dalek in that moment. Of course, this changed as the episode went on but just imagining being the only one of your race in the entire universe...it certainly hurts, to say the least.
if u want to see the doctors true nature look how he dealt with family of blood probably the worst thing he has ever done and that includes what he did to the time lords.
hppo1 not. Really the family of blood wanted to live forever he gave them that. He. Showed sister mercy. Also he hid. The timelords to save. Them being destroyed in the time war
"He never raised his voice, that was the worst thing. The fury of a Time Lord. And suddenly we understood, why this Doctor, who had fought with gods and demons, why hed run away from us and hidden.. He was being kind."
"He wrapped my father in unbreakable chains forged in the heart of a dwarf star. He tipped my mother into the event horizon of a collapsing galaxy, to be imprisoned there, forever. He still visits my sister, once a year, every year. I hope that one day he might forgive her, but there she is can you see? He imprisoned her inside a mirror.. Every mirror. If ever you look at your reflection and you see something move behind you just for a second.. Thats her, thats always her. As for me, I was suspended in time, and made to stand watch over the fields of England, as their protector. We wanted to live forever, so the Doctor made sure that we did."
@@jamesslater7094 I still get chills from that
+Trouble trouble 88
What he did with the Family of Blood was more like poetic justice and giving them an extremely morbid version of their wish.
The Doctor has always been a grey type character, he has a savior complex , he save and heal people, a lot of people, and the universe lot of times , he also sacrifices, condemns , punish and exterminates civilizations and entire species of beings that he judges unredeemable and to dangerous or unimportant for the survival of the universe ! He say it he has saw a universe ruled by the laws of one mad man , and that is him !
Many times, the Doctor became the most dangerous kind of man:
One with nothing left to lose.
Man I wish Eccelston had had more Series. Make that, I wish the BBC hadn’t pissed him off so much.
Me too
He coming back for an audio series, I think is coming out next year, as the ninth doctor
Jessica Mace-ball yesssss!!!!
@@jessicamace-ball9235 Oh I hope so, he was such a good Doctor.
Funny how Davros keeps saying "This is my final victory" but it's never his victory :D
Domihork maybe victory and defeat have different meanings for him. Don't be switch-ist (discriminatory and condescending on those who switch things around)
Doctor Elephant XD nice one
Domihork except this was his final victory. He changed the whole psyche of the doctor, made him truly fathom the psychopath he was and it broke him at that moment.
Domihork evidence for this is the pure, unadulterated rage in the eleventh doctor. Yes ten was dark but ever since that moment he was a changed man
Lord Omega: Or maybe Trump’s actions speak for themselves?
Best line from a dalek.... the doctor hits him with an iron bar and dalek says" you do not require tea? " .... though the dalek storming up to him and asking " would you like a cup of tea " is probably greater...
Now that I think about it, the pandorica episode is the one episode where the villian are forced to be the good guys even though they were wrong. No true villian was in that episode...till part 2 when the daleks tried to kill the doctor
Sad that, had it not been for one small miscalculation (River Song being able to pilot the TARDIS), they would've been heroes.
With the irony that even as good guys they fail because like always they were wrong.
YOU DO NOT REQUIRE TEA
*YOU DO NOT REQUIRE TEA*
lol hearing a darlek say that killed me
YOU DO NOT REQUIRE TEA I WILL SEE IF THERE IS COFFEE
Words you never utter to a brit.
Many lol's 😂
"If i am god, creator of all things - then what does that make you doctor?"
"you would make a good dalek."
"I want to see you become like me. hail the doctor, the great extermintor"
I don't think the daleks will ever be represented or test the doctor in the way the ninth doctor's series did them
I am ready to be a god now make me one
And: "Perhaps that is why we've never been able to kill you."
I know I know the whole “you would be a good dalek” is really creepy, but can we truly appreciate so many main enemies of the doctor banding to together just to defeat him, they know how much power he has, and them believing he would destroy the universe finally pushed them over the edge. So many races known for never working together, always aggressive, all coming together out of a collective fear of him. Thats scary.
Maybe the Real Genocidal space Monsters are the friends we made on the way.
3:07 I love how in this moment, the Doctor lets the mask fall away, doesn't pretend to know it all, doesn't pretend to have control of the situation, doesn't try to put on a brave face as always. He asks Jack what he would do, and in that moment he's genuinely lost. His doubt and conflict over whether it is right to kill the human race to save them from an even worse fate under the Daleks... and whether he was right to do it to the Time Lords either.
it is true.. he is a good dalek!
Well the truth be told that Dalek killed himself because he hated himself for being what he would see as a 'dirty half breed' (this does not impley any racism on my part) Daleks are soooo racist that they hate even the very thought of not being a 'pure Dalek' even if said Dalek was he himself wasn't 'pure' thus he'd rather die, not only as his duty but also with glee.
The comment that Davros makes about the Doctor using his compainions to do his 'dirty' work, is true all the way though the entire series, I would really like to have seen some clips from the classic series during the flashbacks (eg Adric's last farewell to the Doctor in 'Earthshock' would have been perfect, sadly the BBC don't have the clip of Sara Kingdom's death, but Katerina's death would have worked, along with a lot of other clips, but I think that the shows running time, and also the fact that many members of the target audence would have been unaware of the Classic Series, and thus would have been confused to see lots of people dying that they would have not 'seen before'.) However I don't see that as the Doctor doing this out of his ego, rather that he may feel that his compainians are more capluble of using guns and other weapons, or that he wants them to be able to fight for themselves, there is also the fact the he actully has taken life, not only in the Time War, but also on a great number of occasions where he would think up something, and then invent a device to kill his foe.
In short it's not really all that differnent than me, making from scrach my very own gun, from odds and ends that I have to hand in my house and using it on a burgler, with fatal results rather than just going out and buying one for the exact some use.
The idea that the Doctor isn't all that different from the Dalek's is in fact a common troupe in much heroic fiction, as many superheroes best foes are those which are mirror images of the hero. In the Doctor's case he differs from the Daleks due to the fact that he does not want to rule the universe, whereas the Daleks do, he is the same as the Daleks because he wants to wipe them all out, totally and forever, in order to stop them from doing evil, as it is the only way to stop them, because the truth be told, there is no such thing as a good Dalek.
(A side note though is the comic strip story 'Children of the Revolition' where he meets a tribe of peace loving Daleks of whom he had a hand in starting them up in the TV story 'The Evil of the Daleks', which in my view also meant that the Doctor inadvertaly created the Cult of Skaro, who reject the 'ideals' of their race, and as it turns out it is the human's who are the real villians of the story, who only see the error of their ways after the tribe sacrice themselves to save the human's from an alien squid, thus they are now no longer any more 'good Dalek's' left, although that said there is a single Dalek working for the human's in the episode 'Into the Dalek' but I personally don't think that it is a 'good' Dalek as the only thing that changed about him was his loyaltes, just because he fights other members of his race of the behalf of a race who is at war with the Daleks doesn't make him a hero)
The Doctor, as much of hero he may otherwise be, is someone who also could be seen as a villian in other contexts as well, after all he/she is someone who has rarely ever 'lost' to the bad guys, and by many he is seen as some kind of godlike being (using the TARDIS to travel though time and space helps give off this kind of message) who for all they know can do anything he wants to them, thus putting a truly holy terror into his foes.
The Doctor is after all someone who has, what we would consider, very high, and often unrealistic values (at least to modern day viewers) which he seeks to impose onto the Universe, the only thing stopping him from taking away all evil and suffering from the history of the Universe is the fixed points in time, and also the fact that he doesn't want to become a ruler, of which he'd have to become one with 100% total power over every living thing in order to acchive such a goal.
However this doesn't stop him from commiting acts of mass murder towards whole fleets of alien space ships if they don't turn back home on his say so, nor does this stop him from distroying meat eating alien plants just because they happened to be on Earth and were eating humans, in order to live.
Often he has a habit of tricking his foes into killing themselves, this in fact is something which dates back to the very first story (whatever it is called at the moment) where although he himself did not directly kill the villian, he did trick a caveman (by the name of Kal) into admiting that he had murdered an older member of his tribe (yes there was also a scene in the same story where he was willing to commit murder himself, but that was more of a means to and end, in this case to escape from the Stone Age) he has since done this many, many times.
Post Time War, the Doctor is somewhat more of an anti hero (by the standerds of more old fashoned fans, like myself anyways) who, in his 10th Incarntion would offer his foes one chance to stop whatever they were doing or be killed. In 'The Christmas Invasion' we see him do this, to his credit when the human's blow up the retreating Spacecraft (I can't spell the name of the alien race of which it belonged to) he strongly disapproves and sends the UK out of our 'Golden Age' (even though he once said that there never was one nor would there ever be one) into, what I think anyway the recession (thanks Doc)
However to be fair on him, the Doctor is someone who seems to see things in the 'big pictire' this, to his credit, is something that he realises which is why he chooses to suround himself with human companians as they are able to keep him grounded, this isn't just a Moffet idea, this is in fact a vital point that goes back to the start of the saga where it was Ian and Barbara (truth be told it was mostly Barbara) who, we must assume, were his first human companians, (Susan was his 'own grandchild' so was thus, at the very least, Gallifeyian) before then he had been in the TARDIS all alone, with only Susan for company, where all of his travels were simply to study the whole of time and space, rather than to get stuck in or have a good time, meet famous people from history and (when the Web of Time allows) right wrongs and help people.
All in all I think that, overall, that the Doctor is a hero as not only does he do good deeds, but also that he sees his own moral shortcomings (even though he does not outwardly admit it) and so has psent his enitre life dreaming up 'failsafes' to control his own actions, granted this may not always work, but you get the geist...
I know that the above may have gone into a lot of detail, so thank you for reading the above.
Aima Sinak
I think the dalek, after seeing into the doctors mind, believed that doing this was the best way to hurt him. Not because he thought his hatred was beautiful. Showing him the fury in him, which he already disliked, brought out hatred for them exponentially.
A psychological war the doctor keeps falling for. The dalek is sacrificing his own kind, just to hurt the doctor. This is symbolically reminding him, that he chose to destroy the daleks. The Doctor believes he killed the timelords. The false equivalency of suggesting killing each dalek without mercy as being the same is a factitious move designed to upset the doctor, and may impair his will to kill daleks. It doesn't fool the doctor, but it makes him shut down emotionally to cope. Such is the price of patience.
Honestly, that Dalek played a perfect move. In terms of game theory, I am very impressed. I could go on, but they both know the game, and that layer is where the doctor loses. He can't cope. Either way, it's the annoying little brother tactics.
Since daleks and timelords can predict time with memory. It is not to see time, and plan multi dimensionally, it's like having a map to a building, it doesn't tell you where you are.. So this game would be verbal to delay time-sensitive information.
Probability is what seeing time is like, so the doctor keeps track of what timeline is most likely to appear as if he instantaneously reacted.. This is what makes timelords as they are. Intellectual prowess improves their ability to grasp time, which is why "the doctor of war" is his name on Gallifrey..
Four heartbeats is for time dilation, and they probably can endure much more than others with their regenerating energy probably stuffed into extra stem cells at.. Birthing pod? Despite being essentially humans still, timelords just predict time with 2 hearts like a magnified lens.. maybe that will explain general relativity for someone.
I understand why Chris left, and I know he wants nothing to do with doctor who now, but I really hope he understands how beloved he was by so many fans, including myself. He was absolutely fantastic as the doctor, seeing him go so early never fails to make me a bit sad.
"Listen to that: the Doctor without hope. No one's safe now. He'll burn everything, us too." That has to be the most dangerous line about the Doctor, especially since it comes from the Master.
Or about the fact that daleks never die and are genetically engineered to never be able to scientifically die, they may still age and decay but will never die. Also said by Missy in the same episode. So wouldn’t they be the last species scientifically alive at the end of the universe.
When Daviros talks about how many people have died in the Doctors name for me that is the most emotional part in doctor who history
I know the Daleks are the Doctor’s greatest rivals, but if they keep coming back through Ex Machina explanations, it cheapens previous losses the Doctor and his companions have suffered. “I destroyed all the Daleks at the end of the Last Time War. But then I found one hiding in a bunker and destroyed it, then I discovered the Dalek Emperor survived and destroyed him and his followers, but then I discovered an secret society of Daleks and destroyed 4 of the 5, then the 5th Dalek went back in time and brought a massive chunk of the Dalek Army back until I destroyed them.” See what I mean, the sacrifice is cheapened when an enemy can keep returning after a short pause.
Nicholas Eickman well, up to a point. But imagine how you’d feel if you’d fought your hardest, lost loved ones and nearly yourself in the pursuit of ridding the world of this one enemy, only to be reminded every single time that all the deaths of those you loved were in vain?
@Doctor Tophat?? wasn't it so that They could keep the rights to use Daleks?
It's sad the way the Doctor sees how the Dalek feels at the start. It shows even in the hate of the Daleks, he still has that goodness.
Everyone keeps commenting on the “you would make a good dalek” but lets also mention the “perhaps that’s why we’ve never been able to kill you” when the doctor expressed his disgust at the fact that the daleks found hatred beautiful. I think that is also a pretty powerful line from the daleks that was leading up to or foreshadowing the “good dalek” moment.
when i was a kid, i used to think they were called Garlics.
Im about to end this creature's entire career
"I name you forever the destroyer of worlds"
and how many worlds desroy the Daleks?
I´m interest what happend if the 13th Doctor meet the Daleks.
Rickodo Matazo 14th? Oh yeah the next one is technically the 14th not 13th
nope Peter capaldi is the 13th
jam _on_toast We aren't talking about peter capaldi we are talking about jodie whittaker
The Doctor will meet the Daleks again in some form. Part of the contract with Terry Nation's estate is to use the Daleks in some way at least once per series. (Supposedly.)
Peter Capaldi is the 12th Doctor, the 13th face, the 14th life.
"You do not require tea"
I love Christopher Eccleston's moments with the Dalek, he shows so much emotion which the music aligns with so well! It's absolutely astonishing!
Someone should give that last Daleks one of those super hero speeches about never giving up, and how you should always stand up after failure and try again, because you only fail if you stop trying :)
And that's why the daleks never die
That and you can't kill pure hatred no matter how u try and no matter what form it is in
It can't be killed, stalled, destroyed, disintegrated or prevented
21:14 - Um missy, remember you ran to the end of time to escape the time war? Yeah.
Yeaaah, she was one to talk. Lmao.
Eccleston was my favourite, Tennant was the best, Smith was the coolest and funniest.
I miss them all.
Capaldi made all of it make sense. what a time for dr who.
"I am alone in the universe"
"Yep"
*MOOD*
Same here, man. Oof
Anyone else annoyed at Davros' "YOU are the destroyer of WORLD!" comment? Like the dude was literally about to annihilate the multiverse at the atomic scale but yeah definitely its the Doctor who is the destroy of worlds.
Seems like they're referring to destroyer of they're worlds
Daleks are just space nazis with a victim complex
Wouldn't it have been better if the Daleks dueing WW2 were really just robots? It'd show off the Doctor's paranoia and fears much better.
Random Nerd that would be a hell of a coincidence lmao. And it’s not paranoia, something that stands out in WW2 like that is obviously not supposed to be there.
Joey Kevorkian
It would simply portray the themes this episode tries to develop much better.
That would be hilarious. He kicks it away. "I guess you would not like Tea".
Eventually he cuts one open to find the Octopus, and just finds wires no matter where he looks.
Could even be it turns out the Master dropped off the tech where someone would find it, just to fuck with the Doctor.
If they could make such advanced robots, with actual lethal lasers wouldnt the modern day be so much more advanced
Kharn The Betrayer that would have been glorious
The callback in season 8 to the episode in season 1 gave me chills.
"You would make a good Dalek..." and then, "...you are a good Dalek."
When Clara Oswald becomes a Dalek at the end in Season 9 Episode 2 "The Witch's Familiar" and then when we meet Clara Oswald's character for the first time in Season 7 Episode 1 "Asylum of the Daleks" she actually is introduced as a Dalek .. it's all connected in the end. shook
That hurt me.
Spoilers!!! I haven't reached that part of the series yet :(((
That scene in “dalek” is so powerful... he could have been even greater if he did at least 1 more series...
Everyone is a hybrid *she says looking directly at him*... Good bit of foreshadowing there
In a way - it's a double-edged sword. On one hand - the Doctor needs companions to save him from himself - yet they pay the ultimate price in the process. A tragedy all round!
Well, being a long-lived, powerful TL who can exterminate worlds and species (or save them, at least for a while) -- but who can't do the one thing that a true God could do, which is to halt Entropy -- IS tragic. Looked at from that perspective, all of Who is a tragedy about small victories that can never be secured against Time/Entropy (he can save Clara, but she's still going to meet the Raven anyway, just as all the people he saves will, despite his best efforts, eventually die) -- it's all about loss; he loses his companions, he loses his home-world, he loses everybody in the end. Just like all of us; it's the thread of loss, interwoven with threads of temporary victories and delights, that make the Doctor ring true to us, because he is us, in this respect. I can't forget 12 pointing out a patch of space to Clara (in the Mummy one) and telling her about the vanished beauties that he saw there eons earlier, before things changed; as they do; always; of course. No matter how "powerful" you are.
6:20 They did not die in his name. They died form what his name means. HOPE
Damn, tbh I didnt realize Ecclestons doc was edgy enough to tell a dalek to kill itself. Might have to watch his series
“You would make a good dalek” is probably the most hard hitting line in doctor who as far as I can recall
9 was the hardest doctor for me to watch, because he had internalized everything he had done, and would never dream of letting it out. I can relate to that which was why I always had such a hard time watching Dalek. He finally got what he wanted, he finally was at peace for what he thought would be forever, and he was willing to kill, and break the one rule he held true throughout, in order to stop his torment. I loved Ecclestone's Performance. He was always my favorite.
Damn, this really makes me miss Eccleston's performance as the Doctor. He really was an incredible Doctor. Because of him, the series has continued.
4:44 the anger of a timelord who butchered *memes*
6:20 im not crying
Me Neither.
I am and I’m not sorry
Wish davros did redeem himself would have been amazing
Ben penny Considering how he was when we first met his character, I am going to have to disagree. It would be too unrealistic.
I don't think he should have redeemed himself, but they should have definitely followed the route that it was two old men who'd been fighting for years and now one of them was dying, with only the other for comfort. Instead of the whole comic-book, gimicky "aha, you fell for my trap!" shit.
I doubt that.
If he did the Daleks would no longer be in the show. Plus Davros and Daleks like the most of other villains are presented as ultimate evil. The evil which is always will be evil. These one-sided characters ruin a good story but continue the franchise. And when writing a story you will always go for the money option.
Actual redemption would kill Davros' character.
3:05 Either die a hero or live long enough to watch yourself become a villian
The daleks bring out the worst in the doctor
The only trouble I have with the daleks in general is the sole fact that they only have one setting. Surely it makes sense that they should evolve, even if it is just a little bit. Personally speaking, it makes some what interesting if the daleks had the ability to feel emotion or something. One wouldn't be able to tell what they would likely do in any situation, that would make them a little more frightening. Wouldn't it?
If they had a breadth of emotions then they wouldn't be Daleks anymore. Really all the Daleks need to be more frightening is for the writers to stop writing them into so many stories where the Dr wins. Daleks should be the steam rollers in most episodes with the Dr only able to mitigate the damage they cause. Like the evolution of the Daleks where the Daleks win and all the Dr succeeds in doing is saving the human race.
Astralwyrm I agree. Changing the daleks could be a double edged sword, and having the dr win ALL the time is a bit boring. My point is having a small band of daleks with limited emotions could be something of a new thread in the general Dr who storyline.
Basically a cult of skaro like group but put together by the post time war Daleks.
The reason they have no emotion or feeling is one it makes them better killing machines and two they are basically creatures in a great deal of pain.
takeshi hiraoka -It was shown several times they do have the full range of emotions but the mechanical augmentation includes that hamper some and enhance others. They are afterall built from a "human" source (Davross).
_"YOU WOULD MAKE A GOOD DA-LEK."_
"Then...what should I do?"
I never realized how scared he sounds.
I really loved Christopher Elecelston
12th Doctor has so much of original stories. Isn't that lovely?
and along comes 13: attending every funeral, every procession, remembering every name, opting to stay for dinner when her tardis is right outside. I am so hyped to see what she does with the character.
Ha Vo how wrong that turned out lmao
Yeah sorry to kill your dreams, but the new Doctor is total shit. First problem was casting Jodie Whatever her name is. The series is too political and obviously trying to appease a certain demographic which ruins everything people liked about the older series'. Its unfunny, and even though I hated Peter, I hate Jodie FAR more because at least I saw effort put in that series. Honestly, after Matt Smith, the series died for me. Even Bradley Walsh cant save the new series...
If you want good space adventures with interesting characters, stories and freedom, go back to the old series.
kabxksb just call her jodie shitaker * dab* * plugs in toaster*. *fills bath *. *dabs again and drops toaster in bath*
Sluggs 1 I agree Sly Cooper, as the god, the man the myth and the legend himself said:
"Suicide is badass!"
Looking back at this comment, I wish I had a TARDIS myself...
That way I could travel back in time before casting and make the producers re-watch every season, every doctor, and every companion’s face once more and ask one simple thing from all the notes they have been forced to take to remember what the show was and is to all of their fans, employees, and families who watch this show and just ask them: Doctor Who?
And also wtf were they thinking of making this season better than all the previous without destroying its past. They just took a random woman and said “ok bazinga” and called it “a new season” without giving Jodie any personality or characteristics from the previous doctors. In fact this season felt like a completely different show!
"You would make a good Dalek."
Right in the heart with a salt-crusted nlade, that one.
Davros pwned the Doctor showing him 'himself' - what a moment that was
Man when he said the Doctor was a Good Dalek...3rd degree burn right there, not many can render the Doctor speechless, but he did it. I remember later on when he comes across the Dalek again, and it's been a busy bee, exterminating all the Daleks in the Doctor's name. Really showcases why he is their "Predator".
If only things would more "actually happen" in this series. The constant dialog about someone being the most dangerous - yet him not doing anything - might work better in novels. In a TV show it smells like Bold and Beauty drama. I'm not trying to bash anything... I enjoy the series. But still.
*Bold* and Beauty? Are you talking about the turkish tv show? Or sth else?
I think it still works. He's dangerous to those who call him enemy and to those who call him friend. He's not dangerous because he tries to be, at least not always, but he's dangerous without meaning too be or wanting to be. Friend, foe, no one is truly safe when it comes to him.
I mean he blew up gallifrey, he blew up skaro, hes genocided the cybermen like 4 times, he absolutely fucked the family of blood....Dude does shit
@@theolast9727 Trapped Gallifrey, he mercied the Family of Blood really, "wanna live forever huh? Now there's alota grey area in that."
Christopher ecleston was lit
7:56, the Dalek sees the Doctor, and is just like, oh, that's nice.
"You would make a good dalek."
The sandwich Father?