Real Killer Identified After False Conviction | Christine Jessop Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2023
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Christine Jessop?
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Once again the lesson seems to be: "If you're guilty, you need a lawyer before talking to the police. If you're innocent you REALLY need a lawyer before talking to the cops."
You just need a lawyer!!!
So in Canada they can keep on prosecuting you for a crime until they get the desired result??
That’s shocking!!
No doubt! Well said. So many terrible cops!
Ehh I’m totally fine with the actually guilty not having a lawyer 🤷♂️
08:15 - Every modern democracy other than the US defines „double jeopardy“ as being convicted more than once for the same crime. It overprotects criminals if the prosecution is not able to appeal. Especially in a jury system.
This is what happens when the law is more concerned with getting A conviction than catching THE perpetrator
not the LAW but the egotistical police!
US Police Departments have been sued over discriminating against applicants that have an IQ too high.
Think about that...
Absolutely! Well said.
were they under pressure or there was a bonus if they managed to crack a case?
My wife is a forensic DNA analyst, and she's had an occasional cop get angry with her when the evidence doesn't match their suspect. To be clear, most cops are respectful. In this case, the police tried and convicted that young man based on emotional reasoning, rather than science.
I grew up about 25 minutes from where her body was found. This case was a national tragedy and embarrassment.
I grew up about 30 minutes south of there. That case was huge at the time, we talked about it all the time….especially since she was the same age as us. I doubt Guy Paul ever got a normal life back after being falsely accused. :(
Maybe you did it 😱😱😱😱😱
It must have been horrible for that poor young man, Guy Paul.
Y'all shouldn't be saying you live about 31 miles away. The police might decide it was y'all even though you were probably children when it happened. Sounds like the police in this area are REAL smart!
You folks need to re-think the whole double jepordy thing, making the same mistake twice is ubsurd
As an Ontario resident I remember this very well. They put Guy through hell for ten years of his life. Morin received $1.25 million in compensation from the Ontario government.
Not enough money for the loss of 10 years of the man's life.
glad to hear he got a decent compensation.
Thank you for posting this. I was wondering if he was compensated and vindicated at all. I hope the crimes of the police were as widely publicised as the defamation and persecution of Guy was.
That's why so many people were against death penalty . The cops suspected Guy Paul Morin just because of MINOR insignificant things .
Guy Paul Morin should have gotten a mlion dollars for every year spent in jail . Look how they let Karla Hamolka get away with murder.
Good Grief! This entire case is horrifying! The child being murdered, the police work , the court destroying an innocent man’s life …. All of it !!!!
Cases like these are a strong argument against capital punishment. Imagine if Guy had been executed.
We haven’t had capital punishment in Canada for decades
No kidding... I think that's why they'll have people on death row for like a decade to make sure...still not ok tho, innocent people have been executed in the past...
I'm against capital punishment for that very reason. And, only that reason.
The arrest and incarceration of Guy Paul Morin by the Durham detectives was disgraceful. A shameful circus.
10 Years of your life. Taken.
Including the jurors, especially the POS who ultimately convicted him, shame on you all!
I'll never forget this case. I grew up just outside of Toronto and this was a major case for years. An Earth shattering case of police incompetence and a miscarriage of justice.
Christine was my friend’s cousin. I grew up 20 minutes from her house.
@@momof1576 so you did it then!
The police look completely absurd and malicious in this case... I originally followed up by writing "unbelievable", but it actually is believable considering how there's many instances of this that one hears about. It's a high number, and much higher than it ought to be. That said I'm not at all certain what proportion of cases are like this or worse versus cases where there isn't some comination of multiple acts of gross negligence, malice or deliberate manipulation of key testimony and/or evidence to further pile onto a designated perpetrator that they've prematurely and irrationally decided was guilty.
I think we tend to have difficulty related to cognitive biases when dealing with large numbers across populations and subpopulations. We have trouble reasoning about phenomena featuring complex dynamics, multiple interacting factors, etc. where because we have national media that has strong preference for reporting things that involve gratuitous human errors, that involve evil acts, extraordinary or tragic results/circumstances, etc. that the news and now social media collects and disperses. It results in cases like this demonstrating police incompetence, negligence, corruption, etc. going viral such that our "availability heuristic" informs us that all the examples we've heard of like this case greatly outnumber ones where the police behave virtuously, impeccably, etc. that we think such cases are more representative of police investigations generally. We also tend to fail with numeracy, often not having a sense of the number of total investigations so we'd have a very rough sense of the ratio of eggregious examples to the total number of investigations. That and more can lead to inaccurate perceptions.
That said, from my understanding even despite such considerations, I'd "dead reckon" that the police manifest critical failures at a much higher rate than is acceptable and that one should not talk to the police without a lawyer present (though not saying you shouldn't come forward with evidence or witness if uou have information that could help solve a crime). I'm not sure whether police detectives tend to overall be more competent than incompetent, but I'd give low to mid level confidence that cases of at least minimum competence demonstrated are present in two thirds of cases and ones that are below minimum competence represent the remaining one third of cases. That's my guess.
Crazy to think Christine’s mother would revise her timeline that she was fairly confident in, just so the police could pin the murder on Guy. I mean, wouldn’t she want to know they got the right guy or did she just want someone to be symbolically sacrificed?
Or the police were pressuring her. But in any case it does seem pretty strange.
I was not listening intently but my understanding was her parents had befriended her future killer; her mother had given the crucial information to them (they would be absent from the house and time frame). Her mother distorted the times given initially and she created a distraction by informing the police that Guy refused to help in the search.
@@MonaLisa-lu8zi like the mom was protecting Calvin? I did read where Calvin’s wife was one of only 3 people the mom told about their plans. It does seem fishy
At the time, the police were only interested in a conviction.... any conviction, regardless of facts!
It seems like the cops gaslit her until she didn’t trust her own memory. Bear in mind that she will have been out of her mind with worry and exhaustion.
Thank you so much for covering this. Apparently the other inmates could see that Guy Paul was innocent and left him alone. They were smarter than the police.
I’m from Ontario and this case was my first clue that you can’t trust the police.
As I always reference "DTA" Don't Trust Anyone as Stone Cold says.
How horrible. The poor man. I'm glad his appeals were successful.
For every Sherlock Holmes, there are millions of Keystone Cops. Be very wary talking to the police, as you will more likely be talking to a member of the latter group.
Your right!!
Wow the Queensville, Ontario Canada police really BLEW IT with Christine Jessop’s case! It’s heartbreaking. 😞
No such thing as the Queensville Police. It’s too small. Still is. It’s a village, if that. It was the York Regional Police that blew it. Later the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) and RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) continued to screw up.
It was the Durham police.
To Trample the Crime Scene and Arrest Whoever.
Translate that into latin and engrave it on a shield.
@@karenneill9109 thank you!
@@karensinclair4189 York Regional Police for the disappearance in Queensville and Durham Regional Police when her body was discovered just outside Sunderland
The detectives should be prosecuted and sebtenced for this outrageous negligence.
So they took a horrible situation and found a way to make it worse .
I worked with his sister. She worked tirelessly on behalf of her brother. Such a travesty
Yup, it’s a miracle the police didn’t arrest an 1958 Plymouth Fury for the murder. Great video 👍🏼
I hope the falsely accused chap was awarded compensation for the hell he went through.
Yes he was
Police and prosecutors don’t comprehend that if they falsely convict they are doing multiple injustices. They seem to forget that the perpetrator goes free and this encourages the belief that criminals can get away.
There is an assumption that if a person is arrested then they are the guilty party.
I suppose, important for them was to close a case. Doesn't matter if they have the right person.
And the victim gets a false sense of closure.
You're referring to this case, not all police and prosecutors, correct?
Often they comprehend and don't give a shit.
I grew up near and when this happened. GP Morin was known as an unusual ( probably on the spectrum) but very pleasant young man.
It’s always unfortunate to see cases like this happen where someone is convicted in a crime they didn’t commit only to later find out who the perpetrator was, but in instances like this nothing can be done to bring them to Justice due to the perpetrator having died years prior. Thank you for the work you do Dr. Grande, keep up the great work and have a great rest of your weekend!
"Redrum - the Innocent" by Kirk Makin is a powerful look at this tragedy. And it was a tragedy. The Jessops and the Morins suffered. Hell, I think the entire country was traumatized. I remember the day Christine was discovered. Guy-Paul Morin (Gee-Paul) was targeted because he had an odd personality. That is not an exaggeration. The police and the Crown went after him simply because he was strange. But the experience didn't destroy Morin. I have a lot of respect for that man.
"Ghee" )
That poor little girl. RIP Christine. Your analysis should include a tribute to the victims at the end .
It scares me to think how many ppl prior to quality forensic science were wrongly convicted, imprisoned, or sentenced to death
Forcing a person to serve a prison term for a crime they didn't commit is one of the worst things you can do to a person IMO.
It’s disheartening to see someone being falsely convicted of murder without any solid evidence. I am glad he was finally released.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this, Dr. Grande. Happy Sunday!❤
Other wrongful incarcerations in Canada also include Donald Marshall and David Milgaard. They, too, spent decades in prison. Racism played a part in Mr. Marshall's conviction; he is Indigenous. David Milgaard may have died in prison if not for the tenacity of his mother, who always believed in his innocence. What could their lives have been if not for the unbelievably inept police work?
I wonder what the jury who found the young guy guilty thinks? I’ll bet most of them will go to their graves thinking they made the right decision, no matter what DNA says.
I remember seeing a review of this case when I lived in Toronto. The reasons given by the jurors for convicting Guy Paul were shocking.
Wow, that's horrible. That police department did a really bad job. So many families lives ruined.
Only Guy’s life was ruined by the police’ incompetence.
One quick thing. “Guy” is pronounced “Gee” in Canada (it’s French). Him and David Milgaard’s treatment are considered a national shame.
"Late-breaking story on the CBC, a nation whispers, we always knew that he'd go free." Wheat Kings by The Tragically Hip. Any Canadian mostly over 40 knows this song, "Wheat Kings" and the line is in reference to David Milgaard. National shame as well. I believe Milgaard has since passed.
Americans know nothing about the world except their own USA. So I'm not surprised that Guy's name was mispronounced.
Wow, did Guy Paul get railroaded! This is why you never ever talk to law enforcement; they will try to use whatever they can, no matter how ridiculous, against you.
I keep honey bees but thank God I play the trombone otherwise I would be a prime candidate for a child's disappearance.
But seriously, the police did a horrible job investigating this. They coerced the family to change their timeline, they tried to get a confession from Guy Paul Morin with an undercover officer as his cellmate, and the forensics unit botched the analysis of evidence. His second trial was in London, Ontario where I was living at the time and the evidence was laughable as the trial progressed and he but he was convicted. Luckily, DNA evidence exonerated him shortly after that.
This is why I am so glad we don’t have the death penalty in Canada. It was a tragedy Christine was killed and that we wrongly convicted Guy-Paul Morin. It would have been a double tragedy if we had killed an innocent man.
I don't know how the people on that police force could sleep at night.
I would see stories on the news about Christine Jessop for many years & was shocked when they finally solved her murder. To think it could have been solved much earlier. And what they did to GPM….
Ontario resident here as well. This story made major headlines all over Ontario as well as Canada when it occurred, from her disappearance, to numerous searches, his bee hives, to Guy Paul Morin being made the scapegoat. Even watched this news in bars. In the time of no social media, it was plastered all over. Poor Christine. Poor mom. Christine's brother also made an awful admission. When it was announced on social media last year that the Toronto Police were going to be having a news conference this it was major and people tuned in. The whole story on media as well for those that weren't even born. There were books (Redrum, I believe) on this case as well as countless documents. For your international audience, you can find info here on youtube anything from CBC, Fifth Estate, W5 docs, Crime Beat(Global News). Others here have commented on how to say Guy Paul Morin's name. I believe he finally found love, got married, and is a grandfather now. Maybe someone in the comments has an update on him.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this tragic case & for shining a big fat bright light on the incompetence of local & regional authorities who botched it!
My heart goes out to Jessica & her parents but also to Guy Paul.
Who's Jessica?
These cops weren't too bright. As you said, if they did a better job, they'd have caught the real killer, in weeks, maybe even days. This was a very interesting case.
Amazing that not one of these police is identified... Imagine their other work. Atrocious criminals in uniform.
I live 10 minutes from the place she was last seen . I am the same age as her. This haunted our region for years. They erresred Paul basically cause he was a weirdo. He was , but it didnt make him a murderer. Two detectives head pure blinders on him.
I was 10 minutes into the video before I realized it was the old backdrop. Dr. Grande pulled a psych on me!
I remember this incident well. In this case the police had "tunnel vision" in regards to Guy Paul Morin, They needed an arrest in the case and were not about to let the scientific facts get in the way of their opinions. They put this man through hell for 10 years before he was finally exonerated. This is just one example of behavior of law enforcement in Canada, of which are ashamed.
If you have to adjust the evidence, then you don't have the right person in custody. That would seem like a logical conclusion to everybody but the authorities investigating this crime! As far as I'm concerned, there's more than criminal at fault here. Thank God for DNA evidence shedding light on injustices such as these!!!
I remember this case when I was a kid. A tragedy all around.
Good evening Dr Grande, I remember watching this case on A&E. The cops want a conviction so much, that they convicted the wrong man. Glad eventually the man was released.
As always I learn something new from your videos.
Have a great Monday.
Not important to the case but I'm glad the brick background is back. It's much more appealing to the eye. Great as always, Dr. G!
I was wondering if it's maybe a video out of the archives, because of the old brick background...?
@@janedmunds4218 could be. I hope not though.
This was/ is So Heartbreaking, and Frightening! I don't understand why they didn't Investigate more thoroughly!
A sad story caused by the gross negligence of inept police.
I wonder if you can analyze the case of Mark Christie, Rochester NY. He killed 4 year old Kali Ann Poulton in ‘91. Turns out he also killed Viola Manville in ‘88. Someone else though had been in prison for that murder, Reid technique was used to have another person confess wrongly. Had that not happened Christie would have been in prison and not able to kill Kali. Thoughts on the officers who were involved in both cases and put the wrong person in prison and allowed for real killer to continue to kill?
My heart is breaking for Christine, and her Family. Poor Little Girl.🥀💔🥀💔🥀💔🙏🕊️🙏🕊️🙏🕊️
The most shocking thing is that a family could afford a large two-story farmhouse on the income of a phone company dispatcher. How times have changed!
True, especially in Canada where housing prices are even more crazy than the US
Well, dad did got jail for theft so maybe it wasn't as easy to afford as it might seem lol
Guy: **plays his clarinet and a swarm of honey bees lift away Christine**
Additionally to the "recompensation" money, they should've payed him a clarinet of his choice and as much beeboxes and beekeeping equip as he wants.
Thanks for spoiling us with all these double videos. Perfect for a rainy Autumn day in Sydney!
One day, I'm hoping you can analyze the case of Juanita Nielsen from Sydney Australia. I came across her memorial grave in a cemetery last year, I'd be fascinated to hear what you think. Thanks Dr.
Another interesting cold case would be that of Revelle Balmain.
@@garryau9890 Another case that comes to mind is William Tyrell or Peter Falconio
The Beaumont Children, The Somerton Man, Lindy Chamberlain...the list goes on!
It's really sad that there are all these fascinating murder cases 🤦🏾♀️
It's spring time
Writing from Hamlin, Germany: Luring kiddies away with a clarinet didn't even work in the first reported historical instance - which is why you find the Pied Piper story in story books, not history books. 😉 (Good for tourism, though.)
RIP precious Christine. 🕊 💫
The photo of Guy Paul holding a bird was all I needed to believe he was not a suspect.
Good call.
Thank you Dr. Grande. I hope Guy Paul can be at peace knowing he was innocent all along. Calvin-what a creep.
RIP Christine. 💐
Always sad when the authorities twist the evidence in a blind attempt to just get a conviction regardless if the evidence isn’t really pointing to the person they are targeting. This seems to happen far to often with police during investigations, the culture needs to change to a pursuit of truth rather than getting a conviction at all costs….
I'm of the opinion that the bumbling police from this case should be behind bars. Their authoritative roles should always be held to a higher standard of responsibility whenever miscarriages of justice occur. Police incompetence and corruption must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. A false conviction of an innocent person is nothing to be trifled with.
Keeps honey bees and plays the clarinet?! 😳 He must be up to no good...
False accusations are so worrisome. Great points again & nice cacti lights tonight🌵Thanks Dr G💚💚
@@cottontails9003 hmm
So glad I found you when I did 😊 you’re one of my favorites!
Corrupt Police and prosecutors, wherever they are, should face the same penalty as that given to the person later found not guilty.
They weren't corrupt, just incapable. Nobody payed them off and they weren't holding a grudge against Guy or something like that. They just sucked at their job.
Something like that should be punished by being fired and prohibited to join the police in any US state.
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis4346 Their lack of competence was at a dishonest and fraudulent level. Telling a woman to alter her story to fit up an innocent man is criminal. They need to be punished by doing time. If their 'work' leads to someone being given the death penalty then they should get that too.
Canada has provinces and territories...and no death penalty
The creepy thing is the Police profiled Guy Paul because they thought he was strange. Police should know better but they're still doing that in certain places. In many crime stories, the perpetrator doesn't look like someone who'd commit a murder.
Sometimes the police are such a disgrace. How could they determine someone is a likely suspect because he plays the clarinet?
They don't have any training....but somehow are lawfully allowed to make these decisions.
That's so true! Usually, the police only become suspicious if the guy plays an accordion. You know the phrase by Weird Al, "Use an accordion, go to jain."
I have Dr. Grande's same shirt and that just made my weekend.
The tiny silver lining is that the innocent guy didn't end up spending any time in prison for this. If you want to explore a story where a dude spent 23 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit, check out the David Milgaard case.
@Rob Swustun, unfortunately, Guy-Paul Morin did end up spending time in jail. There was no silver lining there. Not only was Morin partially convicted based on an undercover cop while being held in jail prior to his two trials, he served at least 18 months after his conviction.
How did the cops ever think that Guy Paul Morin was guilty when Nicole Morin went missing a year later? Close to the date Christine went missing??
Guy Pall should sue the victims family for lying about when she got home. Police are so ignorant in these small towns, how do they get selected. Glad that it was figured out.
"what's your favorite movie?" "I don't know the name...." "yeah, you must really like it"
I remember this case very well, it stayed in the news for many years. Please please do a review on the Barbara Stoppel doughnut shop murder that also happened in Canada in the 1980’s. Another unsolved mystery after the originally charged individual proved to be wrongfully convicted.
Great analysis, as always. I appreciate your consistent uploads, even on the weekends ❤❤❤❤
What a calamity of justice
So bizarre -- I actually googled this case yesterday because it was mentioned in a documentary I happened to see. What are the odds that Dr. Grande would be working on a video of such an old case at the same time?!?
As a Torontonian, I remember when this case was big news back in 1984, with Guy Paul Morin in headlines for a long time. Glad he was finally cleared! Btw, it's a French name, pronounced - "Ghee Paul Mo-RAH"
I found out the U.S. isn’t the only country with a corrupt/broken judicial system, most countries are the same.
In my opinion, the worst crime to take place with the perpetrators pretty much getting off scot free was the abduction, torture, repeated rape and eventual murder of Junko Furuta in Japan. The ultimate injustice.
The world is very dangerous for children being so innocent! It’s seems they are exploited & harass being innocent!
Love ur take on this! ❤❤❤
What a burn. It’s so painful to hear this.
Double Grande today. Let’s do this. ❤ Thanks, Grande.
Wow ... this case strikes close to home. I live in York Region where this event occurred. I was a law student when Morin had his trial in Middlesex County. I believe there were two trials and the appeals went up all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada. In the end Morin was eventually acquitted and was compensated for his troubles. Sad to say, the incompetent police officers were never punished for their stupidity and likely enjoyed their retirement. The lesson in all of this: Don't talk to the cops, especially if you are not guilty.
Could you please cover cases from other countries too? Love your channel
This is from Canada, most cases are from the US but like, Madeline McCain was from Spain.... Happened in the UK.
@@chinchillamdgamer I see no cases from latin america, for example
Cool, a blast from the past: I miss the brick sometimes. Will you be releasing more Bella Grande Media podcasts? I really miss those too. Alien Lizard Humanoids is my absolutely favorite show. As far as the case goes, I am absolutely amazed at the low standard the police are held to in investigations like these. And at least an innocent man was exonerated, but the guilty party escaped justice by simple virtue of outliving it. Thanks for covering this Dr. Grande.
What a sad and aggravating case. 😢
I know it's gonna be a good day when I come home from my hospital session to multiple uploads from Dr. Grande.
Hoover’s behaviour certainly indicates he was feeling a lot of guilt
Dr Grande, I came across a interesting missing person case- Skye Budnick, I think you would find this case intriguing as well, just a thought for a future video. Your channel is the best!
One has to question law enforcement in Ontario. This case is a perfect example along with the high profile Bernardo/Homolka bungle.
The police incompetence is so frustrating!
This video was posted 11 minutes ago but your comment says it was from a year ago?
@@incognito2107 exactly.
@@incognito2107 I wonder if it was released on Patreon first🤔
@@snow999 Nah.
@@incognito2107 - - I am a Patreon member, so I was able to see it early.
It's amazing how people refuse to believe how disgustingly lazy police really are.
This case was a good example of poor policing and so much more. Really damaged the public trust in law enforcement.
So these police in this small town are representative of all police everywhere and at all times across the whole world. Okay I get it now. But wait - maybe it was the inexperience with this type of crime
@@jamba622 Good point. It's easy to just dismiss people like Elizabeth Holmes and Donald Trump as only liars or mentally ill. But don't forget the most important thing that we teach our kids ... the first noticeable attribute is that this is a BAD PERSON . Yet still, these people are very complicated in their deceit and in complete control of their faculties. They actually don't change even after horrible embarrassments, because they have been caught before and yet this IS their pathology : They truly don't care.
@@karensinclair4189 I agree. It's easy to just dismiss people like Elizabeth Holmes and Donald Trump as only liars or mentally ill. But don't forget the most important thing that we teach our kids ... the first noticeable attribute is that this is a BAD PERSON . Yet still, these people are very complicated in their deceit and in complete control of their faculties. They actually don't change even after horrible embarrassments, because they have been caught before and yet this IS their pathology : They truly don't care.
@@jamba622 Unfortunately this is emblematic of police in many bigger and more infamous cases as well. Look at the way Dahmer, Bundy, Ramirez etc was handled. Especially Dahmer, who could’ve been caught much earlier.
Wow- what a disaster from start to finish?! What the heck was the defense team doing?? The police department was a complete embarrasment- hopefully that has been rectified by now! Thank you again for your clear analysis of this case! Also glad to learn that Guy Paul received compensation to some degree- though going thru hell for 10 years should have yielded a larger reward, in my opinion!❤
Dam Dr Grande beez knocking these videos out don't he , I commend him for that.
Poor Guy and Creepy Calvin. I'm sure the family has suffered enough but how in the world did Christine's mother think it was okay to leave her home alone?
This was years ago. It was quite common at that time. Children used to be allowed a lot more freedom and she was nine, not a toddler. I’m about the same age and I had a summer job at age ten and regularly babysat during the year. This was common then. Kids raised on farms were quite independent because they have responsibility at an early age and usually do chores, work in the garden,etc. It was considered a good thing to help out your family at a young age.
Wow
I grew up in the 70's and had a younger brother and my parents left us alone at home. It was a different time. No one even locked the side door.
The same mother that let her son molest his sister for years and do nothing about it
What a tragic case . You gotta cry .
Dr. Grande could you please analyze The Cart Narcs. I would love the speculation of a psychologist - their interactions with lazy people is amazing!!
I can just picture the cops patting each other on the shoulder, winking, high-fiving and congratulating themselves on "intuitive police work, excellent detecting and cleaning up the place of another bad guy just like in the movies."
If ever there was an opportunity to pitch your confession bunny merch from your merch store without feeling like your going off topic or being a salesman now would definitely be the time. 🐰👕
Great analysis Doc 💯
Happy weekend Dr Grande!
Happy Sunday, Dr Grande! 🌵 👓 🌸