Crime Lab Analyst Accused of Dexter Morgan Impersonation | Claire Hough & Kevin Brown Case Analysis
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The ability to make a U-turn after you know you were wrong is a hallmark of wisdom.
Good one!
I retired from my job as a DNA forensic technician. The analysis testing is extremely sensitive. Contamination from lab personnel is common. Accusing him is absurd.
he gave a "free sample" and it cost him everything!
Same lab, case closed. Except some police are morons, so: years of unnecessary turmoil and nonsense instead.
Saying cops lack the necessary critical thinking skills is the understatement of the year.
My aunt is a forensic biologist and she just said the same thing. She has seen multiple contaminations throughout the 10 years she's worked at one specific company. In one particular case evidence exonerated a man who went on trial for murder due to contaminated samples. He was actually guilty, two years after he was found not guilty he committed suicide and left a detailed note and map to find the young murder victim's body. My aunt claimed there's an average of 2 contaminations per year in the lab where she works. Which is pretty scary when DNA can make or break a case wide open and prove someone's innocence or guilt. Not good, I hope all labs don't have that many contaminations.
i'd have to question why one would even touch such sample lol
I stayed with my daughter in her flat for two weeks while searching for an apartment when I returned to Vancouver from Rome. While I was there I spent some time on her balcony looking out over the pretty view she had. My fingerprints were all over the balcony rail and the apartment. A few months later after a lot of screaming she was found dead on the concrete below that balcony. Her apartment was on the 13 floor. Her fingeprints weren't on the balcony but she would have needed to use her hands to get over it. So it seemed fairly obvious to the police she was thrown over or carried over it. There was a murder investigation from the start. The police were convinced it was murder but some others, some young people, wanted it to be the drama of a suicide so they told the newspaper it was suicide. It was printed as a suicide on the front page of the North Shore News. I learned that people believe what reporters print even if they know the victim themselves and know she is a person who wouldn't do something like jump from a balcony. The police had a suspect, a young man who was exiting the building at 4:05 in the morning as they came up to the door responding to the first calls from people in the building because of the all the screams.It was a jealous boyfriend, who spent 24 hours in jail and was interogated. The police also suspected me because of my fingerprintsthey said. It's horrible being asked questions at the same time as finding out your child has died. It left me damaged. I imagine I would have been damaged even if they had not treated me as a suspect. They quickly got me to a psychiatrist but I've never been the same since. Police did a lousy job gathering evidence and detecting. They said there was not enough evidence to make an arrest of that young man. It's been almost 30 years now. I still haven't resolved within my mind what could have happened that night while I slept soundly so far away. I couldn't have got there and back on all the metro, ferry and buses. I would have had to travel across the city to be back in my flat for the police knocking on my door the next morning. It seemed like the police were hiding something. Maybe just their ineptness. So many injustices go unresolved in the world.
Ma'am I'm sorry that happened to you and I wish you all the best in life from here on out. You deserve peace and happiness. You sound like a parent who any child would have been blessed to have been born into your family.
I'm really sorry that happened to you and your daughter.
Never mind critical thinking skills, it seems the police had no skills whatever in this case. I'm glad Kevin's widow sued the police, even though money couldn't bring her husband back. You dry humour was top-notch as usual, Dr Grande.
In medicine the technical term for this kind of mistake is called anchoring- ie becoming wedded to a particular diagnosis without considering others.
Or 'target fixation"
The anchoring cognitive bias is ubiquitous and recognized across many different disciplines. In fact, any information-based decision or prediction we ever make in any aspect of our lives is susceptible to anchoring bias, recency bias, or any of the other types of cognitive biases that exist.
Being falsely accused is absolutely heartbreaking.
And soul crushing
I don’t think he was falsely accused at all
@@janedmunds4218 soul crushing that kinky Kevin got caught, way way way too many dots to connect here
@@scottdaley1672yeah he wasn’t. They were just questioning him
"These dancers also had a hard time maintaining a complete wardrobe while on stage".............Dr. G's hilarious as usual!! Love it! Jim C.
I laugh to the moon with this one😂😂😂😂😂😂
Loved the euphemisms.
Not sure if I'm here more for the dry humor or for the criminal analysis😅
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening when you try to get artificial cacti to grow under weird LED lights like this.
You're insane
@@nate_8403 Just a little bit.
So, you get distracted easily. I see.
Tell me about your Father and your Mother.
@@imaner76 😂😂😂
@@imaner76 Well I was told I get my white stripes from my Dad, and my black stripes from my Mom. Or is it the other way around?
I completely agree with your analysis. I lived in San Diego at the time and remember this case. The press really had a field day with this one. Poor Kevin.
It's a complicated case.
The two incompatible DNA samples found on Claire’s body should have alerted the police to the possibility there may be alternate reasons for that DNA being found, for example, contamination in the lab. Thank you Dr. Grande for alerting us to the dangers of inherent police bias in making assumptions and then stubbornly and recklessly adhering to them. The police should be able to question and analyze their own judgments. They should not be allowed to lay a burdensome and deadly guilt-trip on anyone merely to induce guilty feelings.
I have a riddle: Richard Ward was shot and killed by someone outside the Liberty Point International Middle School. At the time of the murder he was sitting in the back of his mom's SUV. A murderer came up to him and pulled him out of the vehicle and shot him three times in the chest. There was plenty of video evidence, which you can find on UA-cam. There were also plenty of witnesses to the murder, including his mom. Yet no one was arrested for the crime. Can you figure out the riddle of who murdered him?
My thoughts, too. I can see the possibility of Kevin, being a CSI, could conceivably have had his DNA contaminate lab samples.
@Brian Bagnall
He was killed by a police officer, hence why the killer faced absolutely no consequences whatsoever, even in spite of the hard evidence & obviousness of his guilt. No acknowledgement of his crime; no accountability taken; & likely no apology given to those harmed by his actions, particularly to the mother who as a witness to her son’s violent death must be traumatized to this day. He likely was suspended *with pay* for a couple of weeks & then returned to the police force without any hesitation on the side of his superiors, fellow officers, & himself, as the boys in blue - or *brothers* in blue, called that for a *reason* - protect each other at all costs, even at the expense of the lives of civilians & the harm done to those involved. It was most definitely *murder* or *negligent homicide* at the very least.
@@a.evelyn5498 They awarded the officer a Purple Heart for the murder. No joke, it's public record. He scraped his knuckles or something while he was killing the kid.
Lesson 4-if you work in a DNA lab refrain from giving your lab donations of dna. It might come back to bite you. Geezopete.
Something of interest. I worked in the forensics world for decades and DNA testing has progressed to the point you only need 10 or so skin cells to get a profile. Because you lose on the order of 600,000 skin cells a day, lad personnel often end up contaminating crime sample. To identify the contamination, some labs have all their personnel submit samples. Unlike this case, the lab doesn’t keep the gross samples and only the profile is kept in the system.
Andy’s whacking off to do it
A person isn’t automatically a criminal just because they’re not well liked. I wish the police were more often aware of this. Thanks Dr. Grande
Quality investigators not motivated by the need to score a conviction will not settle for a scapegoat. Unfortunately some investigators are willing to throw people under the bus to score a victory.
Someone should tell that to DA Alvin Bragg.
@@brianbagnall3029 Or Gym "The Clown" Jordan!
The police ARE very aware of this, they just do whatever suits their narrative for a 'result.'
@@brianbagnall3029 Grow TF up.
Thanks to Doctor Grande, I have learned the meaning of the word "inculpatory." 🤓
It's incredible how many cases of this kind come to light, and it's so unfortunate. I understand that most police officers are hard-working and dedicated, but cases like this underscore the reason why it's never a good idea to waive your right to counsel. Thanks, Dr. Grande!
Doesnt matter howbhard they work if they cannot think clearly. They should find other careers if they cannot get rid of tunnel vision
"Once they commit to a certain investigative path, they become more committed than ever. To their nonsensical narrative"
They or them, and their inadequacies reaches further than most can imagine. Not all are competent or logical. Be mindful.
Thank you Todd for your thoughts.
maybe they were committed to getting a serial killer off the streets. I've heard of police suspecting a person of murder not having enough proof to make an arrest and the suspect commits more murders.
@@carlitosortiz2870See above.
I agree the police can stay on the wrong trail & have a hard time admitting they can be wrong. Good & informative analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💚💚
"The police in this case did not have critical thinking skills." What a shocker. It's honestly quite pathetic how many cases suffer from this exact same issue.
Another superb analysis of a case I had never heard of before. Really appreciate when you cover these lesser-known tragedies, Doc. As always, thanks for sharing. Keep up the phenomenal work, my friend.
I remember reading about this case. It seemed so obvious that contamination was the likely cause of the DNA match, but apparently none of the investigators even considered that.
When I heard it was sperm that they found I thought that was unlikely to be contamination from the lab but when they said that the lab workers donated samples it made sense.
Exactly, with DNA, it is so easy to accidentally contaminate a sample
Yet he claimed he had sex with her and didn’t know her age and I’d love to know the details to the rest of that story, because that’s what it is a story
The description of the crime makes me believe that it would be a single individual crime. It would not be impossible, but very unlikely, that two individuals would partner in the same perversion on the same victim.
I work in a small research lab and at one time I was working on diagnostics for bladder cancer. The men (5-10 of us) used to anonymously provided urine in sample cups in the men’s room. A few times some live swimmers would end up on the slide and I would try to guess who got lucky that morning based on their demeanor. Sadly, it was never me.
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I’m so tempted to send Dr. Grande a few cuttings off my favorite house cacti ! 🌵🌵🌵
That is actually pretty scary.
@@Sleepparalysisdemon2 i guess I didn’t think that one through hahah
Heartbreak all around in this one. Thank you for the wonderful analysis🌻
Another great video. Good luck with the tv show, Doc.
He has a TV show??
@@rico5622 Yes, it appears in the last video. It’s on Roku and it’s about true crime.
I was in Cost Plus World Market yesterday and saw a tall jar for dispensing liquid - like water - it was a green clear cactus. It reminded me of you. There were some clear green glasses as well.
I wonder if Wallace’s behavior after finding the body was a coping mechanism for dealing with the trauma of seeing a murdered and mutilated teenager. It probably haunted him.
"A clothing deficit".
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Hi Dr Grande, thank you for this video, gonna go watch the shorts on nervous breakdown now.
Excellent analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤
That breaks my heart to hear about Kevin. Quiet people struggle to express themselves well. How awful and negligent for the DNA to be contaminated like that. Poor Kevin, and poor murdered Claire.
If a lab analyst were a killer they would immediately destroy all evidence of any crimes. Additionally they would plant evidence in murders they had committed. This would call into question everything this lab processed while a murderer was working there. It's a nightmare for the police and prosecutors
This case had a few twist for sure. It's scary to think the people we are suppose to trust like the police can cause such confusion an jump to wrong conclusions. Thank you for another brain twisting story.
Nothing new. There are a lot of innocent people in prison. The cops still incompetent of their thinking skills, most.
Watch true crime daily the podcast latest episode to see how badly someone can be screwed over by the ENTIRE justice system for years and years. It's just awful 😢
common sense indicates a group with impunity and extreme power can't be trusted ever...
@@JetSkiSuper7 any organization that can operate outside society's oversight, has a capital interest in your exploitation and monopolizes violence cannot be trusted because why would they be fair? if you want to trust cops you gotta hold them accountable and interdependent with the public. way to miss the point cause the boot was too deep down your throat.
@@JetSkiSuper7 Yeah but really what qualifies a cop to investigate?..Back then especially, it’s easy to assume every semi competent killer just got away with it lol smh..
Always interesting
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Your point on dna c9ntamination is why I do not support the death penalty.
Strong punishments of prosecution false evidence needs to be addressed.
so happy to hear about your roku show! you work so hard and you motivate me a lot! keep it up doc! can’t wait to see the new summer t-shirts this season😁 ☀️
During an investigation the police should look for evidence, and then come to a conclusion. Unfortunately they often come to a conclusion, and then only look for evidence that supports that conclusion. Sometimes ignoring, or even destroying evidence that doesn't.
Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande! (Congrats on the new TV series, by the way).
How to see this, please?
In the 1970's there really wouldn't be any way of knowing (without a doubt) that someone traveled to another city or state. Unless the person tells you they did... the only other thing you would be able to get is people saying they saw him. There was no cellphones, cctv cameras, GPS, etc.
This is such a tragic tale, not only because of the murders, but of an innocent, albeit deviant, man being tormented by the police.
What a tragic and sad story.
Thanks a lot, Dr. Grande.😳
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Those poor girls 💔
Thank you for the upload, Dr. Grande.
Excellent analysis - Thanks!
Wow! Brilliant analysis!
rewatching old episodes 👍 Dr. Grande, your channel is a treasure chest witch intriguing true crime stories. Danke aus Deutschland, my best regards.
Thank you Dr Grande! Fascinating analysis as always 🌵 ❤️
As a laboratory technologist who trained in the 70s, I know that protocols were very different to what they were even a decade later. Gloves weren't worn, mouth pipetting was taught, and using staff samples as a normal reference as common/ I worked in a pathology lab, and we all cut tissues without wearing gloves. When you see videos of crime scenes from the 70s and early 80s, police weren't wearing personal protective equipment either (such as gloves, minimally).
That there would be cross contamination of samples in an extremely sensitive test such as DNA sequencing would be expected, especially of materials collected at that time.
I have watched so many British CSI shows that I could absolutely see a hardscrabble, conflicted detective in an old mac trying to connect the dots in this convoluted case.
Wow Doc! TV, big time, congratulations!
The comment about the dancer's wardrobe 😂😂😂
Tragic all round for the victim and suspects... For a moment I thought that the explanation for the rogue sample was going to be much creepier, but the actual reason is much sadder. Thanks for the video.
He said he had sex with her, that’s creepy enough for me
Good evening Dr Grande, excellent analysis. I remember this case. My parents owned property in Cardiff by the Sea in San Diego County. I was always told the beach the girl was on, was always dangerous.
As always I learn something new from your videos.
Have a wonderful Tuesday.
Terrible and rare case in Denmark right now.
A 13 year old girl went missing on Saturday, after during her paper route and was luckily found alive on Sunday after an immediate and huge police effort. She was found at a mans house, who was arrested.
He is now in custody while they're investigating, charged with kidnapping on different locations, sexual assault and physical violence I believe. He might have had help and they're looking into old cases.
I would love an analysis of this case and this man, but I don't expect a Danish (and ongoing) case to be covered.
Dear Dr. G. a terrific analysis.
This case is also done by the show 48 hours its called (Blood in the sand )
Holy, wow! Omg, why was Claire so drawn to going under the bridge at night…super scary/sad.
Great final thoughts Doctor, no matter what face value or usefulness of one's possessions are to some people really have no idea what it means, or can do to the owner if not returned. Thank you Doctor for my daily dose of information on psychology, the tallest mountain with an undiscovered summit that will bare first the footprints of Dr Grande.
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Dr. Grande this reminds me of the importance of facts, facts, facts. Not tunnel vision creating a result where the lab takes them? Not okay integrity matters. 🤔❤🇺🇸
Dr Grande, I’m a big fan of your videos and want to hear your thoughts on the character Paul in the short story “Paul’s Case” by Willa Cather. Since it is fictional, perhaps this means more flexibility in suggesting a diagnosis? It’s about a boy who is repulsed by being surrounded by ordinary peers and leading an ordinary life. He uses reckless means (stealing) to live the life of luxury he obsessively desires, and is later driven to taking his own life once being caught and summoned back home. The story is so intriguing because although his actions are toxic and harmful to others for personal gain, the narrative from which it is told is beautifully described and as the reader, you almost end up sympathizing with, or at least understanding him to an extent.
Anyway, love your content. I’ve been binge watching your videos a lot recently so keep up the great work!
I'm not diagnosing anyone in this comment, but Dr Grande may be a cactus addict.
Wasn't this an unsolved mystery in the early 90s? Or a more recent dateline?
This kevin brown case is also done by the show 48 hours it's called blood in the sand
YT is reading my mind. I seriously believe my phone is listening to every word I say. Can you hear me in the back????
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I think you are right. Poor guy and girl ... very horrible case.
If someone told me that this was the plot of comedy show wouldn't question it.
From Dr. Grande's facts, it seems that the police department approached a homicide investigation like it was a drug investigation, that is, find a suspect and try to build a case rather than follow the evidence.
Thanks Dr.
“He would often take pictures of women who suffered from a clothing deficit.” 😅
I bet those Detectives were the ones who threatened the guy with getting raped in Prison...he got so scared he offed himself. Would like to know more from the Lawsuit. Six million is a lot of dough. A lot of people think others are wierd based on such little evidence. And I know from friends who work in Labs; some people are lazy and sloppy sometimes. Cross contamination happens.
Girls alone at the beach at night is never a good idea. I lived in San Diego for years just before those crimes happened, it felt very safe, but no place is really. Not ever.
The question is, did he have any contact with her body after it was taken into police custody?
Can you cover the shooting of Richard Ward at the Liberty Point International Middle School? He didn't appear to commit any crime yet was shot by a Pueblo Sheriff. Lots of videos on UA-cam.
Of concern, the police tunnel vision failed to address the first victim. The first girl (Nantais) had very similar ritualistic mutilation and scene staging. How was it the second victim had the same if her killer was in jail during the first killing? One possibility is that the killer of Nantais was involved in both crimes, training Tatro with the killing of Claire. How would such killers find each other? Possibly in the Arkansas prison with the first killer getting out early enough to kill Nantais by himself, perhaps sharing an interest in driving trucks with Tatro, the truck driver. Tatro had an extensive criminal record of sexual offenses. About 18% of the state prison prison populations are in for sexual offenses. It is quite likely that some of these prisoners may develop in-prison affiliations. The first killer is still unaccounted for while a 2014 VICAP lists at least five more unsolved victims with similar ritual. Investigators were convinced that Brown was guilty because of semen DNA recovered from Claire's vagina with no drainage into her panties. This meant that the semen was contemporary with Claire's killing. If the lab mixed up the semen swab samples, then Brown may be innocent. If not, then there is a possibility that Brown knew Nantais' killer but Tatro may have been a stranger present at the scene with Claire. In the polygraph, Brown failed when he denied killing Claire but had a no indication when he denied knowing Tatro. Regardless the perturbations, the unknown third party may remain out there. Is it possible that the third party went boating with Tatro in 2011, only to leave Tatro deceased in the river? Did the third party visit his old friend Brown in Julian and at Cuyamaca Rancho State Park in 2014, helping him with the hanging? Did psychic Wheeler get an assist in 1988 off his 13th floor balcony? Odd, that three people closely associated with Claire's case all met untimely ends. IMO tunnel vision and anchoring may have left a gap in this case wide enough for a fleet of trucks to drive on thru. The first victim suggests a third, mastermind, perp.
Never occurred to the cops that Kevin stole evidence and put it on Claire and he read the crime prior and did a copycat? Using Ronalds whatever on Claire. Seems pretty cut and dry.
What I wonder after hearing this story is why this girl was so determined to go to the beach at night. Was she hoping to meet someone there?
I am wondering just how competent police are in these areas.
Fascinating bedtime story for my birthday. Tragic ending though. Thank you, Dr. Grande
Happy birthday to you and enjoy your day.
It’s also my first granddaughter’s birthday today (April 18th)
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Can you please detail the. Ase of Bud Dwyer? The man who killed himself on live television
Yes!
What a terrible thing for this man. Let’s all be grateful that at least we are not wrongly accused in such a snafu. Poor guy.
Just because she went to lawsuit doesn’t mean that he was wrongfully accused, it would’ve been up to a jury eventually
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Moved there in fall 1984 after it happened. Part of the storyline revealed that tatro and brown may have crossed paths in their tour of the gentlemen's clubs in the area.
How horrific…
One of my good friends was investigated by the police… for an assault on someone…
This guy looked just the drawing the police made…
But Chris wouldn’t even kick his dog… luckily they got the right guy…even just hiring a lawyer was a major expense let alone the fear
The lack of common sense applied to this case by law enforcement is staggering.
Dr. Grande certainly has a way with words, “women who suffered from a clothing deficit”. 😅
I feel sorry for the dancers with clothing deficit 😂
Sometimes, a weird person is just that. Weird. They might make people uncomfortable but that doesn't make them a criminal.
Análysis of Dalai Lama Please.
Dexter also had a lab. Dexter's lab.
Playing the Devil’s Advocate here, but would it be a possibility that Kevin could’ve planted the convicts’ DNA but also unintentionally left his own..? I could be wrong- I might’ve missed a detail…🤷♀️ And Dr Grande!! Clothing deficit lolololololl.. ah you crack me up 😂
The DNA direct from the suspect may not have been processed at the same lab. Once you have a DNA profile direct from the suspect, there is no need to keep the original sample, because you can always get more from the source. Samples from the crime scene however, are kept because they are evidence. It makes sense to analysis evidential DNA at one lab and the suspect's DNA at another lab to reduce the chance of cross contamination.
Thing is. Those tests are blinking sensitive and it is very easy to accidentally contaminate the sample with your own DNA. It could have even been sabotage.
They have said that the workers were providing reference samples. The female workers found the guy creepy. Let's say the guy groped a co worker or made a pass at them that was rebuffed and he took some sort of work placed revenge. Let's say he made some sort of accusation that the person had fudged results or not done whatever maintenance checks or gives them some sort of negative appraisal to their boss. That female worker then just wants the guy out of her hair. So if she knows the story behind the sample, so perhaps she has seen blood soaked evidence and put 2 and 2 together and realised that this is murder evidence, she may have contaminated the evidence with the reference sample to frame the guy.
This is just tragic. They should answer for this. Beyond terrible.
The word "creepy" is overused. Vince Masuka, the other crime lab technician on the show "Dexter" would definitely fit that description too. Tons of science geek types are obsessed with sex, and socially inappropriate. It doesn't make them killers. I honestly can't believe that DNA from a technician working in the same lab that processed the samples would not be considered cross contamination. Hopefully the 6 million settlement his widow received will motivate police departments to avoid similar mistakes.
Cross contamination is the very obvious conclusion.
This is such a sad case! Poor Kevin 😢!! It's a no-brainer serial rapist Ronald was the only killer. It's obvious it was just contamination - the poor man was innocent of this murder
I’m thinking Kevin had sex with her corpse in the lab contaminating it.
I keep thinking about the educational requirements to be a police officer. If only a HS diploma is necessary… can we blame them for not having critical thinking skills? I understand not everyone wants to go to college- I know there is a police academy- does it teach critical thinking skills and investigation skills?
@4:22 - "Is that your camera, or are you just happy to see me?" WTF is going on at the belt buckle position?
Unfortunate clash of shirt, puffy vest and a camera lens?
Great analysis great show
1:32 i use to come here all the time as a kid. This is terrifying!
I am curious how the contamination of the DNA analysis could have happened.
When people act strange like that, it is easy to be suspicious of their actions.
Considering people from the case were from both edges of the country, this was likely a very expensive case.
That short about Anhedonia and narcissism was very helpful, I think I have only heard of Anhedonia once before but it explains a lot of behavior.
Can you analyze the case of Dorothy Kilgallen?
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