A fun fact about Rats farming and progression in general, the idea of more loot giving you more XP wasn't in launch. Hence only getting 1 bag of money at the last day instead of all. Been playing since launch as well and the main throwback for me was the old skill tree, you're absolutely right about the sense of identity each gave you with how the perk requirements worked in one big tree instead of 3 sub tree's.
and then there's the card system, which the best way to farm that was get C4 (been there since U1) and rush the safes in ukrainian job, if you went fast enough you'd be in and out before any alarms go off, which means you could get a card about every 1.5-3 minutes including loading times. Naturally, stealth mains complained, because how dare something other than pure stealth be the most viable way to get stuff. And this is why titan safes and escapes got put into the game, two of the worst additions imho. The former being there to make the stealth mains feel better, and the latter to do that same thing. tl;dr: Stealth main's tears is why a bunch of time wasters got put into the game.
@@KhanCipher what are you talking about, for the longest time the best way to get cards was jewelry store, you could do it in 20s as solo or 10s in a group
I do really miss some of the old skill trees. Spending money sucked but I honestly think it's a bit better than what we have now. Pistol Mastermind, Shotgun Techforcers, making a build was a lot more interesting, nowadays I think I almost always take the same chunk of skills all the time.
Back when $100.000 was a really high number, stealth felt much more realistic and killing civvies was a poor choice... man, time flies soo fast... Thank you so much for this video
Payday 2 then: alright, we got a ghost, a mastermind, an enforcer, and a technician. We’re the perfect team! Payday 2 now: YOU DON’T GOT A MAXED PERK DECK? GOODBYE! (Or at least from my experience)
Dodge build > Armor build every time. My suit is made of kevlar and I regain health by flying around the map headhunting at breakneck speeds, the ammo is infinite and the cops are defenseless. And then the host restarts the heist because the rest of the team is too scared to leave the safe and start moving bags, expecting me to do it all, even though we agreed to go loud in the lobby. I uninstalled right then and there.
I remember playing Framing Frame back in 2013-2015 on the 360. Used to meticulously solo stealth every section and get every drop of loot I could next to the extraction, then turn on online gameplay and let people join in. "Aight, so what're we doin?" "Just move the bags from there, to over there." "What? Really?" "Free payday, enjoy the loot."
I'm curious if you could beat the entire game with a complete """canon""" team from scratch. Dallas with *only* Mastermind skills, Chain with *only* Enforcer skills, Fugitive Hoxton locked until he's broken out, that sort of thing.
Houston would replace Hoxton, you could claim that Houston would be Fugitive along with Hoxton. Once you breakout Hoxton in the canonical 2014 heist, you could swap out Houston.
@@sud1881 eh, they help with quite a decent chunk of bank heists. They’ve got like 19 people in their crew lol. Watch a lore video, there’s one uploaded on his channel.
I got the game just after Armored Transport released, i was only 14 back then It carried me through middle and high school and remains one of my most played games at over 1300 hours It's the only game i've seen release, grow into something massive, fall and rise back from its ashes like this No matter how many controversies or how many times the game got flipped over with massive balance changes, i was still here with the bois and it was amazing It was a great time remembering how Overkill was the pinnacle of the game instead of the walk in the park it has been for a few years, seeing those old tech trees and weapon selection, great video man!
As someone who still plays on lower difficulties from time to time to help friends get into the game, you can still blow up the lab on day one and leave with no bags, the explosion downing everyone was added as a modifier for higher difficulties with Death Wish, if I remember right.
I love how Payday 2 just became the Fast and Furious series, from a grounded and gritty world to literal superhuman feats. Edit: Ok to be honest "love" wouldn't be an exact definition of my thoughts on this. It's more of a feeling of amusement with how similar the the Fast and Furious series line up with Payday in tone. I did like the grittier style early Payday had more but I also understand that if you update a game for almost a decade you will eventually run out of material and oversaturate it completely. Just bringing my thoughts to the table.
2013 Payday 2: "Okay, we're going to rob this bank. It's probably not going to be easy, and there is a huge chance of this going loud and attracting every SWAT officer in the city. God speed." 2021 Payday 2: "Let's throw goats 30 meters into the back of this Camaro and drive it 2 miles to the evac." "Okay."
20:05 Ah, it seems you encountered the "invisibility" glitch. Basically, if you got downed in an area where you couldn't stand up (like by that desk, if you were crouched and tried to stand up, it should've said something like "can't stand up"), and then you got revived, the cops won't notice you, as if you were invisible. However, this only worked whilst you were crouched, and if you stood up, you wouldn't be invisible to the cops anymore. It was a really weird and also really cheaty bug, I used to do it in bank heists by the potted plants at the front entrance. I think 360 and PS3 PD2 still have this bug. Edit: I just remembered, in case anyone wants to replicate this: whilst you’re downed, you need to get shot to the point where you can’t shoot whilst downed (basically run out of bleed out health), and it should work. It won’t work if you don’t run out of bleed out health. Here's a video showing how to do it: ua-cam.com/video/1ePaDxBQqaQ/v-deo.html
@@Liquid_Rigel probably because bain still says that they're coming for the hostages even though they don't exist anymore and regular cops take their place
I remember back at the start of payday ghost players would often become the best players because they would have to stay in cover and play tactically most of the time. making them forcefully be better shotting. and the luck with attachments meant that some players wouldn't switch out guns. oh and framing frame was the hardest heist for stealth because of the issue with gun sound and things like that. oh and back when the combined vest was actually useful. and the other point of the engine on big oil was brutal as the system for the engine wasn't as common. so i remember being a stealth player and having a long hard fight with my gear even with a full team
Well as it right now,you just run with anarchist/stoic/kingpin and profit.on stealth,you dont worry guard around you,feel free to gun them out,payday 2 got to easy
@@kicza1431 i mean,back in the day,payday 2 is way harder than right noe,cuz there is no perk deck,money had purpose,team work is even more important than it right now,i diditn mean payday 2 now is easy but in 2013 is way harder
I think I’m most thankful for the update that made skill points not cost money. It was terrible making a stealth build with a lot of ghost things to switch to a loud build but being broke half way through
Overkill felt like a suicide vest (plus actual motivation for their actions) was a bit too dark. Now the cops just willingly turn and start killing their former colleagues simply because you ask nicely. Way less dark somehow.
@@icyatlasartworks That's similar to Dragan's backstory. We don't know what made him turn to a life of crime but one of the loading tips mentions that he was a former cop in Croatia. Bain too is also heavily implied to be former law enforcement.
man payday 2 in 2013 was jank as shit. That's practically a completely different Big Oil day 1! At least the gameplay was tight, and not the horde shooter we currently have. MINOR NOTE: the engine in Big Oil was actually heavier than even the Artifacts from Shadow Raid. the engines had their own heaviness category, "Mega Heavy". This was replaced with the standard "heavy" category in Update 105, meaning the mega heavy category goes unused nowadays.
What I miss most about these early days, specifically Big Oil, is being able to drop the massive shutters on the valley view windows. Locking down the house like a bunker against the least-used assault front was a fun feeling.
If you want to play a more polished version of "Old" payday the 1.15.0 version is the last version before the revamp to the game when perk decks were added. Would be interesting to see you trying to tackle old school DW without perk decks.
going back to this version brought back so much nostalgia and hype for the vision the devs had back then. i love modern payday, but the potential future of update 1 was so cool
20:03 it's a glitch that I remember that you've got downed under a place where you can't stand up and you went to full bleedout and as long as you stay crouched cops will think you are still in full bleedout
10:31 You forgot to mention that while old Inspire doesn't have a cooldown, it didn't work 100% of the time. not sure what the percentage was, but I still remember seeing an old Payday video where they yelled at a downed teammate around 7 times before Inspire was actually successful.
Think it was like 75% chance to work iirc, i remember once reviving the rest of my entire crew in a single shout per person and for the rest of the heist it didnt work a single time due to rng xD Good times man... Good times...
Ahh, the good **good** old days. The first year and a half of Payday felt like a grounded, solid heisting game. Now it feels like a flat out war.. I miss old payday..
To be fair with most of the modern heists you can just ignore the supernatural weird stuff and the plot. Pretend Brooklyn Bank really is just about robbing the bank, pretend Shacklethorne Auction really is just about robbing an auction, etc.
@@tTaseric Well, I was mainly talking gameplay, story aside. While I am thankful Mr. Knowley here explained the story in a cool, entertaining way, I still wish it was good old gritty crime. But yeah, I meant gameplay. Nowadays payday feels super quick, and SUUUPPPEERRR arcade-y. Back then, I remember being pinned down behind a car with my friends, as we frantically planned how we were going to get out of our situation. Nowadays all I have to do is jump around the map, blasting shotguns and mowing down anything that breathes
@@tTaseric I've played payday for a few years and have managed to completely ignore the story, the only story I know is that there is a aztec temple easter egg somewhere. And now, after around 2-3 years, I have just now found out that apparently Brooklyn Bank and Shacklethorn Auction are actually not just normal jobs.
You know I use to wonder “why don’t guards and civs get alerted by running or close by suppressed gun shots?” Now I know they use to but it was so janky they removed it.
Tbh, it was such a stupid mechanic. Because civilians were buggy as fuxk in general, the alert system didn't work most of the time, dominating wasn't working all the time so the whole interaction was a lot more challenging (which I missed in newer pd2 tbh) and felt sometimes completely rng based.
At 20:20 in the video, he talks about a bug that makes the ai stop focusing you. I remember doing a glitch that would make it 100% happen. God the memories.
I feel like a lot of elements in original payday should still be here today. I think money 100% should have value and I'm hoping to see it gain that again in payday 3. I also love that levelling up is harder. I dont agree with HOW difficult it was but i should be able to stealth Ukrainian Job on DSOD the second I start an account and get 30 levels. At the same time I shouldnt get 3 levels either! Great video mate keep these challenge runs coming!
I think it's too slow currently before infamy. There's no reason someone casually enjoying the game without knowing all the ins and outs should take 200+ hours for a single infamy or to max a single perk deck.
@@XxWarmancxX oh yeah absolutely. The old levelling system was ludicrous and you had to sink many hours in before infamy. At the same time though i disagree with doing a DSOD Ukrainian Job when I boot up the game for the first time and gaining enough XP to be level 30. It should be more difficult to level up and money SHOULD have a purpose. Early on moneys important but if you know how to stealth, and heist can be completed on DSOD easily and money is now seemingly limitless due to its lack of worth.
@@HarleyMM1328 money for anyone who hasn't played 4+ years is a struggle. Currently in a back and forth of just going bankrupt to only getting about 3mil every hour through casual play with friends.
@@XxWarmancxX I started on PC about a week ago as I'm a console player and money has been a bit tight in the few hours I've put in the game but that's because I have been playing the PC exclusive heists. If I wanted I could just play a DSOD Shadow Raid or something of the sort and have my money issues practically eradicated. And anyway, having money be difficult to get in the start is besides the point. My point is that even for those that have played for 4+ years should treasure the cash they have. I usually always use the contracts broker and make new builds using new weapons every day and I'm sitting at around 1 billion offshore and 200 million spending. I never feel pushed to value my money and think wisely on what to spend it on like a new player would as I have a seemingly "limitless supply". Money should actually feel valuable whether that be an equal cut of the final pay be spread throughout the group or just lowering the value of bags in the sequel. I personally think giving cuts in heists could be a solution but it has to be handled well otherwise it would get frustrating having a lack of cash. Another issue is that pubs would be disastrous as the host would give himself the highest cut leaving the other 3 earning next to nothing. The best option in my mind is to have a cut locked at 25% on each crew member as that would prevent the unfair nature of pubs but it's not a perfect system by any means. All I hope for is that I actually value my cash in Payday 3 instead of feeling like I'm in a sandbox with unlimited cash turned on.
@@HarleyMM1328 The issue is that DSOD isn't normally available for someone to start until they're around level 70, but I get you. the tutorial literally skips the first five levels with one heist too. Old payday 2 took so long to grind because level 100 was supposed to be the end all be all. Basically there's no way to fix the XP issue either because it would mean they'd have to nerf stealth XP, which woul alienate half the playerbase and kill a viable alley of XP gain just because someone can easily learn to exploit game mechanics after watching a video or two. To be fair though, being able to level quickly isn't much of a problem anyways since peak PD2 is between level 70-100 where you max out your builds and have to worry less about optimizing XP.
As a long time PDTH player, this game made me so mad at launch that I completely gave up on it for many years. Only around 2017 did I dive back into it, only to discover a game that had been nearly completely overhauled to finally be fun to play. 2013 Payday 2 was everything but the sequel we wanted. I'm so glad they salvaged it so well.
I remember being so pissed off that all the heists felt like low-tier work compared to the extravagant and bombastic heists of PD:TH. Give me Undercover or First World Bank over Rats and Watchdogs any day.
payday the heist was leaps and bounds more fun and engaging than later-life pd2. payday 2 is just a monotonous, mindless, unfair on higher difficulties, slog of bag moving and occasional shooting, praying with RNG, just not a fun time at all
5:50 I believe the old safe house is still in the game as I bought payday in July and was able to visit the old safe house. The next time I restarted the game i got a popup saying that hoxton got a new safehouse.
I loved this, I feel old now knowing I've been playing on and off since 2013 lol. Been watching stuff since the beta and I was extremely excited to try it out myself back in the day. Ah what a way Payday has come.
I remember being like 12 or 13 and finding out about this game on UA-cam. I followed it and it’s lore really closely until I could finally play when I got an Xbox in high school. In college now and playing on pc is the best way. Crazy to think how I grew up following this game
its weird looking back at this with payday 3's launch and seeing similar mistakes being made or them doing a 180 like with crimnet being random in 2 and payday 3 not even having you only able to search a single heist and difficulty
20:18 The vanilla bug was off you were downed (and shot to where you lose your weapon) in an area where you can only access it by crouching when you were revived you were invisible.
God I wish overkill would release an "old school" mode that was literally just PD2 as it was back in 2013-2014. It would be great to just have the options to switch between the old school and current payday without having to mod it. So many new players would get to experience payday 2 as it was.
As much as i love classic payday 2 i would never wish that level of pain upon new players, i remember the very hard swat could just say NO to your bullets and one shot you lol. Still was fun as hell but my god it was pain
I miss classic Payday 2. The original wave of updates which neutered stealth gameplay in the year two-three range saw me walk away from the game for good, although it sounds like it is weirdly "easier" now in ways while being "harder" in others?
This brings me back to the beta days... wow, how much the game has changed over the years is impressive. But you're 100% right on the fact that we lost the identity in terms of skill trees, and also that money is worthless today. I remember I felt extremely happy getting my first million together by September 2013.
I remember the best way, and easiest way, to level solo was the diamond store. All you needed was a build that had the C4. Just run in grab a single bag, blow the safe, grab the diamonds, and run out before the cops showed up. No crowd control necessary.
Have you played the Payday 2 restoration mod? Its a mod that tries to return payday to its roots and so much more! I'd love to see you cover it in a video someday, it definitely deserves it!
restoration mod does not return the game to its roots, that's a lie. It was the goal of the mod at one point, but it's deviated far from that path in recent years.
@@sssuperslayer25 yeah over time they've added a lot of custom content that doesn't really fit and looks kinda janky ingame. New enemies, new mechanics, all that. Mods like Original Pack are what really returns the game back to its early days, though even Original Pack has some of its own new mechanics.
Man I remember bringing a locomotive to the bank heists, shooting the desk lamp (the red one with a lamp shade), and positioning the lamp shade next to a wall (more often the vault) and just straight clipping into the damn thing.
I remember way back when I watched my brothers play this on the xbox, back in the days when the weapon animations and AI were barely a step-up from payday the heist. Brings me back to simpler times for sure.
The old safe in the back of the coffee shop solo heist, brings me back to my own solo grind when this released. The only way I was able to solo mall crashers higher difficulties was to memorize all the potential gasoline spawns and then hope I get lucky.
I introduced my girlfriend to payday and she understood and solved the bigoil formula first try after nearly a decade of it wracking my brain. I'm still unsure how she managed it
I remember the old skill trees. I still miss them sometimes. I always went for the tank armor and the rest was used for mini meds. It made my build being a support tank, but now I can easily get both and then some making my build a little too much, cus now medic tank who can change his build for whichever weapon I feel like that day with the extra points
Damn, I remember playing this back in the beta and being an on and off player ever since! The best update IMO is when they made the AI customizable and you got 3 instead of 2
20:00 is the only glitch i remember, it is the invisible glitch where your character got revive in place where there is object keep the player standing up and all of the cop just ignore you
20:03 i know this glitch! you basically had to do this: get in a position where you can't stand up (under a desk for example) and when you get downed cops would simply not see you. The glitch would only end if you shoot or get out of the crouch position I used to exploit this glitch on my xbox 360 because the game was giving me very hard levels without me even being able to defend myself
Man, I miss OG Big Oil Day 1. Back then, the alarm would go off when any unsilenced gun was fired, which meant you had to clear rooms by killing all the gangsters as fast as you could before they'd get a shot on you - I remember bringing in silenced SMGs specifically for this. It was a unique, thrilling version of stealth that I'm gutted got removed for the boring ECM rush of today.
@@AnacondaVice The issue there is that Firestarter's alarm goes off the moment anyone gets alerted, rather than when a gunshot is heard. This makes it much more a test of patience where you're isolating and picking off enemies one by one which, while interesting, is very different from Big Oil's room-clearing gameplay.
This is kinda fascinating to watch, personally, for a few reasons. When I first played Payday 2, I didnt have friends to play with and it honestly gave me a terrible experience with the glitchy AI pathing. It's been very cool to see some of your more recent playthroughs, being very confused as to how much was added and changed, then seeing this as a kind of breakdown and comparison from a veteran's perspective. Keep it up, man. Not even a fan of the original game, and you caught my eye!
How things have changed over the years lol (and i had totally forgotten about half of it!) But i do recall the incredibly slow grind to gain levels, you needed about 15 heists to get to somewhat of an decent level with useful perks. These days? 2 heists to get to level 75 lol (Framing Frame without skills isnt too hard to fully stealth and you'll get level 54ish, then with the 25% xp bonus, you want to do "The Big Bank" with the bus stop exit, stealth all the way till you are done, make noise, call bus, move bags, b00m 5 million xp and you're level 75) Thats how i gain my levels after going for infamy, 2 heists and i'll have pretty much all skills i really want. (slightly harder variation is Election Day, Framing Frame, Big Bank, you'll end up around level 82ish)
I remember being constantly broke back in the day because i couldnt decide if i wanted to be a ghostmind or a techforcer so i just kept respecing and wasting my money on trying new builds... now im sitting on 1 billion cash and 6 billion offshore or something along those lines. How times have changed.
I remember beating Framing Frame back in 2014, Death Wish Pro, stealth. I also got the gold from the vault. I basically set the game down after doing that feeling I was never going to top that feat.
Another great challenge video Knowley! its really cool to see where the game has came from in the 8 years since its release. Ive been thinking of another challenge that 'could' be undertaken. Consider the two before this run involved modifying your weapons loadout (for the most part as saws seemed pretty vital for the no shooting run), how about we change something else: the build flexibilty. My idea is this: You can use any weapons you like, but your point allocation will be restricted. You'd still be able to use the amount of skill points available to you at any specific level, but that amount is divided randomly into 5 numbers every 5 levels ups. the 5 numbers is how many points you can allocate to a certain tree. Eg: you have 40 skill points available, randomly divided into 13, 7, 8 ,6 and 6. until you rank up to the next level divisible by 5 (Lvl 30, 35 etc) this is your point allocation for your 5 skill trees. This could force certain strategies while also limiting crutch gameplay styles. The difficulty level may have to be adjusted, or having the availability of full perk decks, but this could be an interesting way to make builds for varying heists.
Next Idea : Can you beat payday as a knight? - Must use only bolt weapons (bow, crossbow, pistol crossbow etc) - Melee weapons can only include those from the Gage Chivalry pack (and Jav's for throwable, perk deck throwables? at your disgression) - Complete payday storyline, max available difficulty etc, usual rules - Bonus points for using a chivalry pack mask the whole way through! Good Luck!
Thank you for reminding me of my old memories for the game. I have been playing it on and off since beta, and I forgot that stealth heists actually took me around 40 minutes, being only achievable with a friend. That said, I quicky realised how the game has changed. Both old and new versions are fun, but sadly, the new one has lost it's payday feeling, even soloing is just a joke now, running and jumping with rocket launchers and machine guns, getting down is something that rarely happens, and rocking one build for all heists. I remember recently downloading a new DLC for the game and soloing the mission on the highest difficulty without playing it before nor seeing tutorials on how to do it and where to go. Payday 2 has lost it's depth, and while the core idea is just stealing money, I think making the heisters more human would have certainly helped retain more players.
Man I somewhat remember this I never played launch payday 2, I'd be like 10 at the time but when I got payday 2 for my PS4 I lived in a house with no internet so the idea of updating payday never came to me. Remember when we finally got internet I received a fair bit of money because it from the skills you pay for to skills you get with points
Though I never had a Payday playing friend group to strategise with back then (or even now D:) the whole thing of each crew member having their own specialisations like a real heist movie is great, I wish we still had something like that. I doubt Payday 3 will go for the old ways though, the more easily accessible hoard gameplay is much more popular.
@@TheKknowley I think they realised just how... let's be honest, silly it got later on so I doubt they'll ever go so far supernatural again. Hell, they probably won't even mention how President Bain came to be.
@@TheKknowley I know it's a fools hope but when they first announced Payday 3 I was hoping we would be ditching the Payday 1 heisters completely and only carry on with the youngest heisters as the core group. (Crime net run by Dallas + Joy, Team leader Houston, then the squad being Sidney, Sokel, and Clover) That way we could deescalate the scale of the heists back to the launch heists, and maybe have fewer better cops.
I remember the demo on Xbox 360 had a meta of going down crouched under somewhere you couldn't stand up. You would just be forgotten about by the police and was really good on bank heist.
wait a sec, guards cant detect the open door on big oil anymore? :o finally, i started playing when domination already triggered a pager and I am sure that the door was detected every time i tried to play it
The CAR4 meta was strong. Back when the mod courier heist came out, it became bar none the best weapon in the game since it was the only weapon with so many mods available, a lot of which also increased damage (back when barrel mods could drastically increase damage)
man the nostalgia is hitting hard watching this video, I started playing in september of 2013 i think, and probably had to stop around 2017 (maybe, not sure exactly) due to my computer being pretty crappy and aging, but now I can play again and it's good to be back!
The assaults felt much more realistic back them, I don't remember when, I think it was an update after the john wick update, with the new skill trees, weapon and difficulty rebalances that f* the balance of the game forever and turned the game into a horde shooter. I remember one special cop poorly handled by the crew could easily f* the entire heist. When on overkill or deathwish, after the deathwish update, if a bulldozer spawn on the map it immediately became the center of the efforts of everyone. I remember when first doing the maps on deathwish me and my crew had strategies to deal with specials, especially bulldozers, for every map, and each crew member would bringing specific weapons and utilities to fulfill a role in the combat and treat elimination. It was a very different game back them, and I miss it so much.
I still have to do that in modern payday... My god old payday brings back good memories as well as painful ones aka high level swat ignoring damage because their armor was so tanky
I think I still have the guy I played the PC Demo with in my Steam friends list. Time really flies, but the Internet is better at preserving those memories than the human mind
15:30 You can still do this nowadays, you just have to be playing on one of the lower difficulties. I believe it's anything below mayhem but I can't recall if overkill lets you do this or not for certain and I've never played the heist on mayhem (since it's a pointless difficulty). 19:25 Surprisingly the saw is still fairly efficient at killing dozers today as well. A saw with crits aimed at a dozer's face has potential to kill as fast as some akimbo smgs
omg, I forgot about that glitch. My friends and me abused that crap back on PS3 in early 2014. If you get downed in a spot where you can not stand, then get revived you become invisible to all cops until you stand. You might have accidentally triggered it when helped up by a bot in a spot where you can't stand, and as you showed, got shot the moment you stood up. God, exploiting overkill when I was just a young teen was a different experience.
Great video as always! I tried playing the very first build half a year ago but I gave up half way thru it. One day, I'll load up the old version with that save and reach the maximum level
My favorite memories are my first few stealth heists. It was back when you kill 4 guards in framing frame and dominate the 5th making the whole thing so damn easy. Good times
tip for who trying to do same always go on farming frame but make sure its too many starts it gives insane rewards and you can hostage all guards wich make it ez back then
I never realized until now that the massive gun kick was the reason the game felt so uncomfortable during the early years. The guns would jump everywhere for such insignificant damage.
And everything past hard difficulty was impossible due to swat being 10 times as tanky then thsy are now lol. Headshots just stop being a thing at very hard difficulty
I feel like you could swap the Modern Payday 2's aesthetic for a Zombie Apocalypse without much difficulty but can't do the same for Classic Payday 2 without things feeling weird.
20:15 or so that was a known bug if you got knocked while crouched and can't stand up and then get picked up you are "invisible" to all the cops had many friends use this to complete overkill heists
What if overkill released launch payday 2 but with a few tweaks. Like adding contract broker and weapon stat numbers. Also maybe fixing Xp gain. They could put this on steam and give veterans an easier way to relive the old days.
Console players listening to him talk about the "old" safe house
Lol
yeah, im like "what you talking about mate"
Yeah......
:( I'm so sorry. I may give the console versions some particular love in a future video.
@@TheKknowley :(
A fun fact about Rats farming and progression in general, the idea of more loot giving you more XP wasn't in launch. Hence only getting 1 bag of money at the last day instead of all.
Been playing since launch as well and the main throwback for me was the old skill tree, you're absolutely right about the sense of identity each gave you with how the perk requirements worked in one big tree instead of 3 sub tree's.
and then there's the card system, which the best way to farm that was get C4 (been there since U1) and rush the safes in ukrainian job, if you went fast enough you'd be in and out before any alarms go off, which means you could get a card about every 1.5-3 minutes including loading times. Naturally, stealth mains complained, because how dare something other than pure stealth be the most viable way to get stuff. And this is why titan safes and escapes got put into the game, two of the worst additions imho. The former being there to make the stealth mains feel better, and the latter to do that same thing.
tl;dr: Stealth main's tears is why a bunch of time wasters got put into the game.
@@KhanCipher I’m fine with titan safes and cams but I agree that escapes were really stupid.
@@KhanCipher what are you talking about, for the longest time the best way to get cards was jewelry store, you could do it in 20s as solo or 10s in a group
@@InDeX1o1 true, you only need 3 bags on normal. However on solo both are pretty fast, just a few seconds of difference
I do really miss some of the old skill trees. Spending money sucked but I honestly think it's a bit better than what we have now. Pistol Mastermind, Shotgun Techforcers, making a build was a lot more interesting, nowadays I think I almost always take the same chunk of skills all the time.
Back when $100.000 was a really high number, stealth felt much more realistic and killing civvies was a poor choice... man, time flies soo fast...
Thank you so much for this video
100.000 is nothing in the first versions because i play on ps3 and for me is nothing
@@supeesanz yeah, like weapons and skills later on cost a fucking limb and a half
Realistic =/= Good
Stealth was abysmal back then.
Payday 1 is a lot more methodical and less arcadey, give it a try. Heat Street in PD1 is so cinematic and raw.
If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus Is Lord' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. -Romans 10:9
Payday 2 then: alright, we got a ghost, a mastermind, an enforcer, and a technician. We’re the perfect team!
Payday 2 now: YOU DON’T GOT A MAXED PERK DECK? GOODBYE! (Or at least from my experience)
Ds one down: never try me without infamy or lv 100 and hiding
Dodge anarchist crit LMG shotgun infamous 54 medic sneaky bastard builds required for Death Sentence 0 Down or else you're banned
@@woohoo2491 eww bro your deck dosent perfectly fit my opinion? Kicked
Dodge build > Armor build every time. My suit is made of kevlar and I regain health by flying around the map headhunting at breakneck speeds, the ammo is infinite and the cops are defenseless. And then the host restarts the heist because the rest of the team is too scared to leave the safe and start moving bags, expecting me to do it all, even though we agreed to go loud in the lobby. I uninstalled right then and there.
@@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen suuure lmao
I remember playing Framing Frame back in 2013-2015 on the 360. Used to meticulously solo stealth every section and get every drop of loot I could next to the extraction, then turn on online gameplay and let people join in.
"Aight, so what're we doin?"
"Just move the bags from there, to over there."
"What? Really?"
"Free payday, enjoy the loot."
Wait a minute..... i think i played with you once
That's really kind
chad
That's some Chad behavior right there
wait, wait, wait..
MAN. I FUCKING KNOW YOU.
I'm curious if you could beat the entire game with a complete """canon""" team from scratch. Dallas with *only* Mastermind skills, Chain with *only* Enforcer skills, Fugitive Hoxton locked until he's broken out, that sort of thing.
Aren't the other heisters "canon" too? At least Dragan and Sokol
@@CErra310 yeah but they only joined the crew on later heists and likely were not helping with normal bank heists.
well you obviously can lmao
Houston would replace Hoxton, you could claim that Houston would be Fugitive along with Hoxton. Once you breakout Hoxton in the canonical 2014 heist, you could swap out Houston.
@@sud1881 eh, they help with quite a decent chunk of bank heists. They’ve got like 19 people in their crew lol. Watch a lore video, there’s one uploaded on his channel.
I got the game just after Armored Transport released, i was only 14 back then
It carried me through middle and high school and remains one of my most played games at over 1300 hours
It's the only game i've seen release, grow into something massive, fall and rise back from its ashes like this
No matter how many controversies or how many times the game got flipped over with massive balance changes, i was still here with the bois and it was amazing
It was a great time remembering how Overkill was the pinnacle of the game instead of the walk in the park it has been for a few years, seeing those old tech trees and weapon selection, great video man!
pain is temporary, the boys are eternal.
exactly the same situation for me
As someone who still plays on lower difficulties from time to time to help friends get into the game, you can still blow up the lab on day one and leave with no bags, the explosion downing everyone was added as a modifier for higher difficulties with Death Wish, if I remember right.
Yeah, just like titan safes the lab killing people is mayhem+.
Yeah my bad. That actually makes a lot of seeing as the changes were made more to prevent the speed farming, rather than the playstyle.
I love how Payday 2 just became the Fast and Furious series, from a grounded and gritty world to literal superhuman feats.
Edit: Ok to be honest "love" wouldn't be an exact definition of my thoughts on this. It's more of a feeling of amusement with how similar the the Fast and Furious series line up with Payday in tone.
I did like the grittier style early Payday had more but I also understand that if you update a game for almost a decade you will eventually run out of material and oversaturate it completely.
Just bringing my thoughts to the table.
But unlike Fast and Furious, those feats are welcomed
@@MidnightMan04 did you say family?
@@MidnightMan04 and they actually made sense and contributed/fit to the story too.
2013 Payday 2: "Okay, we're going to rob this bank. It's probably not going to be easy, and there is a huge chance of this going loud and attracting every SWAT officer in the city. God speed."
2021 Payday 2: "Let's throw goats 30 meters into the back of this Camaro and drive it 2 miles to the evac." "Okay."
and almost as shitty aswell. if youre into that.
20:05 Ah, it seems you encountered the "invisibility" glitch. Basically, if you got downed in an area where you couldn't stand up (like by that desk, if you were crouched and tried to stand up, it should've said something like "can't stand up"), and then you got revived, the cops won't notice you, as if you were invisible. However, this only worked whilst you were crouched, and if you stood up, you wouldn't be invisible to the cops anymore. It was a really weird and also really cheaty bug, I used to do it in bank heists by the potted plants at the front entrance. I think 360 and PS3 PD2 still have this bug.
Edit: I just remembered, in case anyone wants to replicate this: whilst you’re downed, you need to get shot to the point where you can’t shoot whilst downed (basically run out of bleed out health), and it should work. It won’t work if you don’t run out of bleed out health. Here's a video showing how to do it: ua-cam.com/video/1ePaDxBQqaQ/v-deo.html
It was actually on every single heist
@@dream_killer-cc3vr Yes, it was, I was just using Bank Heist as an example.
When I was younger I used to do that all the time
@@averagegamer6831 as long as you did it solo i do not hate your guts
@@dream_killer-cc3vr it was on demo rip I was poor
I really miss the Civilian Rescue units. I liked Jokering them to get a lil reinforcement between waves.
I didn't even know they were gone
@@Liquid_Rigel probably because bain still says that they're coming for the hostages even though they don't exist anymore and regular cops take their place
I remember back at the start of payday ghost players would often become the best players because they would have to stay in cover and play tactically most of the time. making them forcefully be better shotting. and the luck with attachments meant that some players wouldn't switch out guns. oh and framing frame was the hardest heist for stealth because of the issue with gun sound and things like that. oh and back when the combined vest was actually useful. and the other point of the engine on big oil was brutal as the system for the engine wasn't as common. so i remember being a stealth player and having a long hard fight with my gear even with a full team
Those were some of my best memories of gaming in 2013-2015 man, what a journey.
I just dom the first 4 guards then kill the 5th one lol
Well as it right now,you just run with anarchist/stoic/kingpin and profit.on stealth,you dont worry guard around you,feel free to gun them out,payday 2 got to easy
@@Mi_tala have you tried DSOD?
@@kicza1431 i mean,back in the day,payday 2 is way harder than right noe,cuz there is no perk deck,money had purpose,team work is even more important than it right now,i diditn mean payday 2 now is easy but in 2013 is way harder
I think I’m most thankful for the update that made skill points not cost money. It was terrible making a stealth build with a lot of ghost things to switch to a loud build but being broke half way through
That literally caused me to make a stealth dodge build hybrid because I was so tired of losing money
What a nostalgia trip, I bought payday 2 back in 2014's summer sale. Fun concept for a video
for someone who started playing payday less than a year ago, this feels really e m p t y.
For someone who quit payday a few months ago after only playing for 1 year, I’m mad that I quit, but won’t download it because it takes too long
@@Formerly_insanebane21 20 minutes is long?
@@gami_ what fucking internet do you have that installs 5gb per minute
@@kiiwikiori7542 the game doesn't download 100GB, I have 600Mb/s internet, I could get 1Gb for $5 more
@@gami_ bro stop flexing-
Anyone else remember how converted cops used to have c4 attached around their belts? Probably thought it was too dark to keep
Overkill felt like a suicide vest (plus actual motivation for their actions) was a bit too dark.
Now the cops just willingly turn and start killing their former colleagues simply because you ask nicely. Way less dark somehow.
@@Okusar for me, I just imagine that the cops get a bean burrito and don't know how to act.
@@icyatlasartworks That's similar to Dragan's backstory. We don't know what made him turn to a life of crime but one of the loading tips mentions that he was a former cop in Croatia. Bain too is also heavily implied to be former law enforcement.
@@Okusar honestly, I did not know that, for elther character, that's pretty cool!
This was never actually in the game. It's just a pre-release rumor.
15:56 that transition is just satisfying
man payday 2 in 2013 was jank as shit. That's practically a completely different Big Oil day 1!
At least the gameplay was tight, and not the horde shooter we currently have.
MINOR NOTE: the engine in Big Oil was actually heavier than even the Artifacts from Shadow Raid. the engines had their own heaviness category, "Mega Heavy". This was replaced with the standard "heavy" category in Update 105, meaning the mega heavy category goes unused nowadays.
yes, but very heavy is still a thing, it's the weight class for the meltdown nukes and the imfamous Artifacts.
old payday was also a horde shooter too, not too different except that the now payday 2 is just a more comical horde shooter.
Fun fact: the pink stuffed animal in the original safe house on the couch is actually a saw from the first game.
Also on PD2 cause we got No Mercy in there now too
What I miss most about these early days, specifically Big Oil, is being able to drop the massive shutters on the valley view windows. Locking down the house like a bunker against the least-used assault front was a fun feeling.
you can still drop these, but you need keycards
Going to the laundromat again is like visiting your childhood home as an adult.
If you want to play a more polished version of "Old" payday the 1.15.0 version is the last version before the revamp to the game when perk decks were added. Would be interesting to see you trying to tackle old school DW without perk decks.
I'm just going to add that that was Update 37, if anyone is going to search for it using that
@@counterfeit1148 Yes, as 37.1 just added some masks.
>old school DW
oh god, I remember it. it was hell back then lol
like the minecraft beta 1.7.3 of payday 2
going back to this version brought back so much nostalgia and hype for the vision the devs had back then.
i love modern payday, but the potential future of update 1 was so cool
All the OG PD2 Players remember how confused they were when they changed Hoxton to Houston
20:03 it's a glitch that I remember that you've got downed under a place where you can't stand up and you went to full bleedout and as long as you stay crouched cops will think you are still in full bleedout
10:31 You forgot to mention that while old Inspire doesn't have a cooldown, it didn't work 100% of the time. not sure what the percentage was, but I still remember seeing an old Payday video where they yelled at a downed teammate around 7 times before Inspire was actually successful.
Think it was like 75% chance to work iirc, i remember once reviving the rest of my entire crew in a single shout per person and for the rest of the heist it didnt work a single time due to rng xD
Good times man... Good times...
I loved playing at Hoxton on PS3 to keeping hearing "GET THE FUCK UP" several times trying to get my friend revived
Ahh, the good **good** old days. The first year and a half of Payday felt like a grounded, solid heisting game. Now it feels like a flat out war.. I miss old payday..
Like Dallas would say "If they want a war, we'll give them a war."
To be fair with most of the modern heists you can just ignore the supernatural weird stuff and the plot. Pretend Brooklyn Bank really is just about robbing the bank, pretend Shacklethorne Auction really is just about robbing an auction, etc.
@@tTaseric Well, I was mainly talking gameplay, story aside. While I am thankful Mr. Knowley here explained the story in a cool, entertaining way, I still wish it was good old gritty crime. But yeah, I meant gameplay. Nowadays payday feels super quick, and SUUUPPPEERRR arcade-y. Back then, I remember being pinned down behind a car with my friends, as we frantically planned how we were going to get out of our situation. Nowadays all I have to do is jump around the map, blasting shotguns and mowing down anything that breathes
@@tTaseric I've played payday for a few years and have managed to completely ignore the story, the only story I know is that there is a aztec temple easter egg somewhere. And now, after around 2-3 years, I have just now found out that apparently Brooklyn Bank and Shacklethorn Auction are actually not just normal jobs.
@@connoo-101 you just got good
That nightclub glitch where they just endlessly pointed at Dallas was hilarious
You know I use to wonder “why don’t guards and civs get alerted by running or close by suppressed gun shots?” Now I know they use to but it was so janky they removed it.
Gald they did that, it would have been a pain in the ass to stealth
@@shotgunnedzahee4780 I’m gald to
Tbh, it was such a stupid mechanic. Because civilians were buggy as fuxk in general, the alert system didn't work most of the time, dominating wasn't working all the time so the whole interaction was a lot more challenging (which I missed in newer pd2 tbh) and felt sometimes completely rng based.
At 20:20 in the video, he talks about a bug that makes the ai stop focusing you. I remember doing a glitch that would make it 100% happen. God the memories.
I feel like a lot of elements in original payday should still be here today. I think money 100% should have value and I'm hoping to see it gain that again in payday 3. I also love that levelling up is harder. I dont agree with HOW difficult it was but i should be able to stealth Ukrainian Job on DSOD the second I start an account and get 30 levels. At the same time I shouldnt get 3 levels either! Great video mate keep these challenge runs coming!
I think it's too slow currently before infamy. There's no reason someone casually enjoying the game without knowing all the ins and outs should take 200+ hours for a single infamy or to max a single perk deck.
@@XxWarmancxX oh yeah absolutely. The old levelling system was ludicrous and you had to sink many hours in before infamy. At the same time though i disagree with doing a DSOD Ukrainian Job when I boot up the game for the first time and gaining enough XP to be level 30. It should be more difficult to level up and money SHOULD have a purpose. Early on moneys important but if you know how to stealth, and heist can be completed on DSOD easily and money is now seemingly limitless due to its lack of worth.
@@HarleyMM1328 money for anyone who hasn't played 4+ years is a struggle. Currently in a back and forth of just going bankrupt to only getting about 3mil every hour through casual play with friends.
@@XxWarmancxX I started on PC about a week ago as I'm a console player and money has been a bit tight in the few hours I've put in the game but that's because I have been playing the PC exclusive heists. If I wanted I could just play a DSOD Shadow Raid or something of the sort and have my money issues practically eradicated. And anyway, having money be difficult to get in the start is besides the point. My point is that even for those that have played for 4+ years should treasure the cash they have. I usually always use the contracts broker and make new builds using new weapons every day and I'm sitting at around 1 billion offshore and 200 million spending. I never feel pushed to value my money and think wisely on what to spend it on like a new player would as I have a seemingly "limitless supply". Money should actually feel valuable whether that be an equal cut of the final pay be spread throughout the group or just lowering the value of bags in the sequel. I personally think giving cuts in heists could be a solution but it has to be handled well otherwise it would get frustrating having a lack of cash. Another issue is that pubs would be disastrous as the host would give himself the highest cut leaving the other 3 earning next to nothing. The best option in my mind is to have a cut locked at 25% on each crew member as that would prevent the unfair nature of pubs but it's not a perfect system by any means. All I hope for is that I actually value my cash in Payday 3 instead of feeling like I'm in a sandbox with unlimited cash turned on.
@@HarleyMM1328 The issue is that DSOD isn't normally available for someone to start until they're around level 70, but I get you. the tutorial literally skips the first five levels with one heist too. Old payday 2 took so long to grind because level 100 was supposed to be the end all be all.
Basically there's no way to fix the XP issue either because it would mean they'd have to nerf stealth XP, which woul alienate half the playerbase and kill a viable alley of XP gain just because someone can easily learn to exploit game mechanics after watching a video or two. To be fair though, being able to level quickly isn't much of a problem anyways since peak PD2 is between level 70-100 where you max out your builds and have to worry less about optimizing XP.
As a long time PDTH player, this game made me so mad at launch that I completely gave up on it for many years. Only around 2017 did I dive back into it, only to discover a game that had been nearly completely overhauled to finally be fun to play. 2013 Payday 2 was everything but the sequel we wanted. I'm so glad they salvaged it so well.
I remember being so pissed off that all the heists felt like low-tier work compared to the extravagant and bombastic heists of PD:TH. Give me Undercover or First World Bank over Rats and Watchdogs any day.
payday the heist was leaps and bounds more fun and engaging than later-life pd2. payday 2 is just a monotonous, mindless, unfair on higher difficulties, slog of bag moving and occasional shooting, praying with RNG, just not a fun time at all
@@TheBigH somebody got downed one too many times lmao
5:50 I believe the old safe house is still in the game as I bought payday in July and was able to visit the old safe house. The next time I restarted the game i got a popup saying that hoxton got a new safehouse.
I loved this, I feel old now knowing I've been playing on and off since 2013 lol. Been watching stuff since the beta and I was extremely excited to try it out myself back in the day. Ah what a way Payday has come.
If I remember correctly, launch also had a bug where visibility literally did not matter. I remember stealthing Nightclub in the ICTV.
I hope they're gonna properly execute their Idea of "4 Specialists, no one is perfect" in Payday 3
I remember being like 12 or 13 and finding out about this game on UA-cam. I followed it and it’s lore really closely until I could finally play when I got an Xbox in high school. In college now and playing on pc is the best way. Crazy to think how I grew up following this game
its weird looking back at this with payday 3's launch and seeing similar mistakes being made or them doing a 180 like with crimnet being random in 2 and payday 3 not even having you only able to search a single heist and difficulty
man, i really miss old payday 2, so many memories... the game used to be crazy intense, even if it was janky as hell
As someone who used to play Payday 2 on the 360 after school, the nostalgia here is unbelievable.
Loco and Saw, god that takes me back~
20:18 The vanilla bug was off you were downed (and shot to where you lose your weapon) in an area where you can only access it by crouching when you were revived you were invisible.
I'm not much of a PC person myself, but that "King Amongst Thieves" bundle got me quakin'.
Oh man this brings me back. I got this game week after release on ps3 and running rats in public lobbies was the best
God I wish overkill would release an "old school" mode that was literally just PD2 as it was back in 2013-2014. It would be great to just have the options to switch between the old school and current payday without having to mod it. So many new players would get to experience payday 2 as it was.
As much as i love classic payday 2 i would never wish that level of pain upon new players, i remember the very hard swat could just say NO to your bullets and one shot you lol. Still was fun as hell but my god it was pain
I miss classic Payday 2. The original wave of updates which neutered stealth gameplay in the year two-three range saw me walk away from the game for good, although it sounds like it is weirdly "easier" now in ways while being "harder" in others?
@@DoctorMagoo111 i never used stealth back then, wasn't worth the insane amount of effort to even be equipped to use stealth back then
@@DoctorMagoo111 stealth is much easier now
Sounds like you’re wishing the new players pain and suffering if launch Payday 2 was this broken.
This brings me back to the beta days... wow, how much the game has changed over the years is impressive.
But you're 100% right on the fact that we lost the identity in terms of skill trees, and also that money is worthless today. I remember I felt extremely happy getting my first million together by September 2013.
I remembered this game was difficult going back for the rest of my achievements on the 360. Excited for more of these challenges.
I remember the best way, and easiest way, to level solo was the diamond store. All you needed was a build that had the C4. Just run in grab a single bag, blow the safe, grab the diamonds, and run out before the cops showed up. No crowd control necessary.
Have you played the Payday 2 restoration mod? Its a mod that tries to return payday to its roots and so much more! I'd love to see you cover it in a video someday, it definitely deserves it!
restoration mod does not return the game to its roots, that's a lie. It was the goal of the mod at one point, but it's deviated far from that path in recent years.
@@eyedine Oh, well I havent really been keeping up with it so its sad to hear that.
@@sssuperslayer25 yeah over time they've added a lot of custom content that doesn't really fit and looks kinda janky ingame. New enemies, new mechanics, all that.
Mods like Original Pack are what really returns the game back to its early days, though even Original Pack has some of its own new mechanics.
God I didn't even play this version, but by only watching this slightly re-wired my Payday 2 brain the wrong way
Thank you for making more of these. These are wonderful.
Man I remember bringing a locomotive to the bank heists, shooting the desk lamp (the red one with a lamp shade), and positioning the lamp shade next to a wall (more often the vault) and just straight clipping into the damn thing.
I remember way back when I watched my brothers play this on the xbox, back in the days when the weapon animations and AI were barely a step-up from payday the heist. Brings me back to simpler times for sure.
I miss solo stealthing as a masterforcer.
The old safe in the back of the coffee shop solo heist, brings me back to my own solo grind when this released. The only way I was able to solo mall crashers higher difficulties was to memorize all the potential gasoline spawns and then hope I get lucky.
I introduced my girlfriend to payday and she understood and solved the bigoil formula first try after nearly a decade of it wracking my brain. I'm still unsure how she managed it
17:35 the best kind
I remember the old skill trees. I still miss them sometimes. I always went for the tank armor and the rest was used for mini meds. It made my build being a support tank, but now I can easily get both and then some making my build a little too much, cus now medic tank who can change his build for whichever weapon I feel like that day with the extra points
Omg, hearing Fuse Box theme gets me every time!
Damn, I remember playing this back in the beta and being an on and off player ever since! The best update IMO is when they made the AI customizable and you got 3 instead of 2
20:00 is the only glitch i remember, it is the invisible glitch where your character got revive in place where there is object keep the player standing up and all of the cop just ignore you
You've just made my night lot better by releasing this video, thank you! :D
20:03 i know this glitch! you basically had to do this: get in a position where you can't stand up (under a desk for example) and when you get downed cops would simply not see you.
The glitch would only end if you shoot or get out of the crouch position
I used to exploit this glitch on my xbox 360 because the game was giving me very hard levels without me even being able to defend myself
Man, I miss OG Big Oil Day 1. Back then, the alarm would go off when any unsilenced gun was fired, which meant you had to clear rooms by killing all the gangsters as fast as you could before they'd get a shot on you - I remember bringing in silenced SMGs specifically for this. It was a unique, thrilling version of stealth that I'm gutted got removed for the boring ECM rush of today.
You can still do something relatively similiar with day 1 of Firestarter
@@AnacondaVice The issue there is that Firestarter's alarm goes off the moment anyone gets alerted, rather than when a gunshot is heard. This makes it much more a test of patience where you're isolating and picking off enemies one by one which, while interesting, is very different from Big Oil's room-clearing gameplay.
Rewatching this video half way through 2022 with all the info about payday 3 being slowly released. This is so nostalgic, love this!
I was a Chains main using ICTV, a saw or car4 and locomotive shotgun. Grinding rats overkill pro job, blowing up the lab of course.
This is kinda fascinating to watch, personally, for a few reasons. When I first played Payday 2, I didnt have friends to play with and it honestly gave me a terrible experience with the glitchy AI pathing. It's been very cool to see some of your more recent playthroughs, being very confused as to how much was added and changed, then seeing this as a kind of breakdown and comparison from a veteran's perspective. Keep it up, man. Not even a fan of the original game, and you caught my eye!
How things have changed over the years lol (and i had totally forgotten about half of it!)
But i do recall the incredibly slow grind to gain levels, you needed about 15 heists to get to somewhat of an decent level with useful perks.
These days? 2 heists to get to level 75 lol (Framing Frame without skills isnt too hard to fully stealth and you'll get level 54ish, then with the 25% xp bonus, you want to do "The Big Bank" with the bus stop exit, stealth all the way till you are done, make noise, call bus, move bags, b00m 5 million xp and you're level 75)
Thats how i gain my levels after going for infamy, 2 heists and i'll have pretty much all skills i really want.
(slightly harder variation is Election Day, Framing Frame, Big Bank, you'll end up around level 82ish)
I remember being constantly broke back in the day because i couldnt decide if i wanted to be a ghostmind or a techforcer so i just kept respecing and wasting my money on trying new builds... now im sitting on 1 billion cash and 6 billion offshore or something along those lines. How times have changed.
So many parallels with payday 3...
I remember beating Framing Frame back in 2014, Death Wish Pro, stealth. I also got the gold from the vault. I basically set the game down after doing that feeling I was never going to top that feat.
lol watching this now. Sliders for the Weapon stats...
HMMM funny that PayDay 3 is going that route now XD
Another excellent video. You are killing these, dude!
Another great challenge video Knowley! its really cool to see where the game has came from in the 8 years since its release. Ive been thinking of another challenge that 'could' be undertaken. Consider the two before this run involved modifying your weapons loadout (for the most part as saws seemed pretty vital for the no shooting run), how about we change something else: the build flexibilty. My idea is this: You can use any weapons you like, but your point allocation will be restricted. You'd still be able to use the amount of skill points available to you at any specific level, but that amount is divided randomly into 5 numbers every 5 levels ups. the 5 numbers is how many points you can allocate to a certain tree. Eg: you have 40 skill points available, randomly divided into 13, 7, 8 ,6 and 6. until you rank up to the next level divisible by 5 (Lvl 30, 35 etc) this is your point allocation for your 5 skill trees. This could force certain strategies while also limiting crutch gameplay styles. The difficulty level may have to be adjusted, or having the availability of full perk decks, but this could be an interesting way to make builds for varying heists.
Next Idea : Can you beat payday as a knight?
- Must use only bolt weapons (bow, crossbow, pistol crossbow etc)
- Melee weapons can only include those from the Gage Chivalry pack (and Jav's for throwable, perk deck throwables? at your disgression)
- Complete payday storyline, max available difficulty etc, usual rules
- Bonus points for using a chivalry pack mask the whole way through!
Good Luck!
Thank you for reminding me of my old memories for the game. I have been playing it on and off since beta, and I forgot that stealth heists actually took me around 40 minutes, being only achievable with a friend. That said, I quicky realised how the game has changed. Both old and new versions are fun, but sadly, the new one has lost it's payday feeling, even soloing is just a joke now, running and jumping with rocket launchers and machine guns, getting down is something that rarely happens, and rocking one build for all heists. I remember recently downloading a new DLC for the game and soloing the mission on the highest difficulty without playing it before nor seeing tutorials on how to do it and where to go. Payday 2 has lost it's depth, and while the core idea is just stealing money, I think making the heisters more human would have certainly helped retain more players.
Man I somewhat remember this
I never played launch payday 2, I'd be like 10 at the time but when I got payday 2 for my PS4 I lived in a house with no internet so the idea of updating payday never came to me. Remember when we finally got internet I received a fair bit of money because it from the skills you pay for to skills you get with points
Though I never had a Payday playing friend group to strategise with back then (or even now D:) the whole thing of each crew member having their own specialisations like a real heist movie is great, I wish we still had something like that. I doubt Payday 3 will go for the old ways though, the more easily accessible hoard gameplay is much more popular.
I agree, it's interesting to see if Payday 3 will ramp up or we'll be thrown straight to the Sumerian Illuminati from the get go...
@@TheKknowley I think they realised just how... let's be honest, silly it got later on so I doubt they'll ever go so far supernatural again.
Hell, they probably won't even mention how President Bain came to be.
@@TheKknowley I know it's a fools hope but when they first announced Payday 3 I was hoping we would be ditching the Payday 1 heisters completely and only carry on with the youngest heisters as the core group. (Crime net run by Dallas + Joy, Team leader Houston, then the squad being Sidney, Sokel, and Clover)
That way we could deescalate the scale of the heists back to the launch heists, and maybe have fewer better cops.
I remember the demo on Xbox 360 had a meta of going down crouched under somewhere you couldn't stand up. You would just be forgotten about by the police and was really good on bank heist.
wait a sec, guards cant detect the open door on big oil anymore? :o
finally, i started playing when domination already triggered a pager and I am sure that the door was detected every time i tried to play it
I think the guards not being able to detect the Big Oil door being open was a 2019/2020 change, so pretty recent.
The CAR4 meta was strong. Back when the mod courier heist came out, it became bar none the best weapon in the game since it was the only weapon with so many mods available, a lot of which also increased damage (back when barrel mods could drastically increase damage)
Cat burglar the og skill. Less fall damage ftw
man the nostalgia is hitting hard watching this video, I started playing in september of 2013 i think, and probably had to stop around 2017 (maybe, not sure exactly) due to my computer being pretty crappy and aging, but now I can play again and it's good to be back!
The assaults felt much more realistic back them, I don't remember when, I think it was an update after the john wick update, with the new skill trees, weapon and difficulty rebalances that f* the balance of the game forever and turned the game into a horde shooter. I remember one special cop poorly handled by the crew could easily f* the entire heist. When on overkill or deathwish, after the deathwish update, if a bulldozer spawn on the map it immediately became the center of the efforts of everyone. I remember when first doing the maps on deathwish me and my crew had strategies to deal with specials, especially bulldozers, for every map, and each crew member would bringing specific weapons and utilities to fulfill a role in the combat and treat elimination.
It was a very different game back them, and I miss it so much.
I still have to do that in modern payday... My god old payday brings back good memories as well as painful ones aka high level swat ignoring damage because their armor was so tanky
Update 100 with the new skill trees ruined the game. Hoxton's Housewarming Party was the nail in the coffin.
@@arkaua yeah pretty much :(
As someone who hasn't picked up the game in a long time this is give or take just how I remember it.
I miss 2013 Payday
It felt so different, and i enjoyed it more than modern payday
I think I still have the guy I played the PC Demo with in my Steam friends list. Time really flies, but the Internet is better at preserving those memories than the human mind
15:30 You can still do this nowadays, you just have to be playing on one of the lower difficulties. I believe it's anything below mayhem but I can't recall if overkill lets you do this or not for certain and I've never played the heist on mayhem (since it's a pointless difficulty).
19:25 Surprisingly the saw is still fairly efficient at killing dozers today as well. A saw with crits aimed at a dozer's face has potential to kill as fast as some akimbo smgs
Yeah the DPS is high but needs to aimed more directly to the face, that's what caught me off guard!
omg, I forgot about that glitch. My friends and me abused that crap back on PS3 in early 2014. If you get downed in a spot where you can not stand, then get revived you become invisible to all cops until you stand. You might have accidentally triggered it when helped up by a bot in a spot where you can't stand, and as you showed, got shot the moment you stood up. God, exploiting overkill when I was just a young teen was a different experience.
I just thought, what if payday 3 is released on the 10th anniversary of PD2? Instead of an event, suit, mask etc, we get a game?
That'd be cool, but that'd give it a release of a Sunday the 13th of August, which is not a very good time to release games.
First they better do something for the 10th anniversary for the franchise
that might have been the plan if starbreeze didnt go bankrupt
@@finalfantasy50 that means the game would release 2023 which is basically the plan
Great video as always! I tried playing the very first build half a year ago but I gave up half way thru it. One day, I'll load up the old version with that save and reach the maximum level
My favorite memories are my first few stealth heists. It was back when you kill 4 guards in framing frame and dominate the 5th making the whole thing so damn easy. Good times
tip for who trying to do same always go on farming frame but make sure its too many starts it gives insane rewards and you can hostage all guards wich make it ez back then
I miss release payday it truly was the dark souls of fps games. Janky as hell but somehow magic.
"Hey McFly! I'm in Payday now!"
"That's nice, Biff. So am I."
I never realized until now that the massive gun kick was the reason the game felt so uncomfortable during the early years. The guns would jump everywhere for such insignificant damage.
And everything past hard difficulty was impossible due to swat being 10 times as tanky then thsy are now lol. Headshots just stop being a thing at very hard difficulty
is no one going to talk about the flashes capable of giving you full blown epilepsy just for being shot?
I feel like you could swap the Modern Payday 2's aesthetic for a Zombie Apocalypse without much difficulty but can't do the same for Classic Payday 2 without things feeling weird.
20:15 or so that was a known bug if you got knocked while crouched and can't stand up and then get picked up you are "invisible" to all the cops had many friends use this to complete overkill heists
What if overkill released launch payday 2 but with a few tweaks.
Like adding contract broker and weapon stat numbers. Also maybe fixing Xp gain.
They could put this on steam and give veterans an easier way to relive the old days.
Though they should make it free to people who already own normal payday 2.
@@bonogiamboni4830 yes and market it as a celebration of its release.
@@Notbladestorm yep, maybe it'll be their next thing after the spoon and the cash blaster.
Payday classic