There's a point where the ceiling just cant go much higher when it comes to performance. I think the new styling looks really sharp and I'm sure most people would be really happy with how the bikes rides.
Raivons R1 Honda only dumped 600cc's in europe because of new CO2 emission policies and not enough people buys so why spend money to change it to pass. US still gets 600 from Honda.
The only way to make the R6 "new" and/or better is to make it crossplane firing pattern like the R1, and also make it rev to 20k RPM. Other than that, it's the same bike as the years before.
20k would be nice, but at those kinds of revs, you're putting an exponential amount of stress on the engine. It wouldn't last long, provided the valves don't start bouncing before then.
The cross plane crank won't benefit a 600, it doesn't have the torque surge of a liter bike. The R1 gives up some high rpm performance for that cross plane crank, but the benefit of the smoother torque curve helps make the bike more ridable and faster for most riders (same reason for the "big bang" motors in MotoGP). The crossplane twin on the FZ-07 is a sound thing, it makes it sound like a V-twin instead of the underwhelming sound you get from something like the Ninja 650. The FZ-09 isn't different from other triples, despite Yamaha marketing hype, standard triple firing order already is fairly close to "crossplane"
What could they actually do to it? Stale or not from whatever viewpoint you hold, it's already outpacing everything else in the 600cc sportbike class so nothing actually needs to change. Over the course of 06-16 they made a lot of small changes to the engine here and there but it's completely sound and does exactly what it sets out to do. There's a rather large difference between want and need, it doesn't need to change, there's absolutely no logical or rational justification for it to need a new engine. You can want a new motor in this bike but they're already pushing everything they possibly can out of a 600. Aside from introducing a 750cc displacement to the market, the R6 is perfectly sound as is.
A triumph 675r and a ninja zx6r 636 are roughly the same price and this bike is the best bike you can buy with the features it has. If you're looking for a new 600 and you've never owned an r6 then this is THE bike to get in the middleweight class. 90% of the people complaining have probably never even thrown a leg over an r6 let alone ridden/owned one
Hi bit of a random question but in your opinion do you think It would be wise for me to go straight into starting out with an R6? I love the whole bike and have wanted one for ages but have no riding experience other than a 125cc scooter when I was younger
Shaving weight by lightning the tires is so bloody cheesy - so you're getting a weaker version of the same tire with less tread so that they can hit their weight goals? NOT COOL.
Not really. I have lost the rear end a number of times on my 600s. In the wet on tarmac seams, Donington park I got away with a highside, Sprinting your tyres are stone cold. Yes for dry weather street riders, maybe not needed.
These bikes are pussy cats below 7000 revs. Keep an eye on the road surface, tire temp and wear, OH, and train your wrist. I'm just being a grump.I Hate the new crap because it can't be fixed.I don't even want know what problems with a TC system would cost to rectify. Even fuel injection kinda pisses me off. That said, I Love my 09 R6 and this one is probably great to. I just miss being able to take care of my bike myself, without spending a fortune.
The thing is that they rarely go wrong. My 10 year old Nissan 350Z has TC and an internal gyro. It works so well that I had to cut a wire to turn it off :D So I'm happy with the technology because it proves itself reliable :)
jim james theyre not bad to work on. you know there is built in diagnostic feature? it allows you to test all of the sensors, coils, injectors, relays etc via the instrument cluster.
Thanks! The Yamaha folks aren't blind to the fact many will perceive it the same way I did. That said, the R6 is still a rad motorcycle. Adding traction control, ABS, optional quickshifter, CCU, and new styling are all cool new features, IMO.
I really really like this new body design. I've always had some problems with that eye'ey look on the 2016 model (though the 2009ish models are great).
I'm glad I watched this, the dealership is trying to convince me to trade in my 2014 r6, and I'm not really seeing why I should trade it.....but this video says why I shouldn't trade it.....
Personally I wouldn't say one bike looks better than the other. They both look great in their own right, e older one has this lightning fast while standing still styling while the new one is a bit more grown up. Perhaps for the more mature rider who doesn't want to be associated with the potential hooligans in his neighborhood.
Thanks for the 4k. 60fps next time maybe?! lol And also for the sincere review, mentioning that the '16 "old" bike remains a good option even over a "revised" new bike.
At 1:55 you mentioned reduced drag by 8%. 8% drag might make a considerable difference at hi-way speed acceleration. It would be interesting to test 2016 and 2017 rate of acceleration from 60-120. That would be proof of the 8% reduced drag.
I love all the complaints.. like you're fronting Yamaha's development budget or something. Or have even purchased a new bike. It's a decent update, hopefully a carry over for something new in 2 years. Honda's 600 is gone and Suzuki's smallest gixxer is on life support.
Thank you for an honest and excellent review. Last year I really hoped Yamaha would put a three cylinder engine in this new R6... I'd buy it ASAP if they did.
I know the track was wet, but who will run rain racing tyres on them (other then on the races)? So why not leave the stock tyres to have a real perception of the bike behaviour?
Because we only had one day to ride the bike, rain or shine. Not a lot we can learn about the bike on a wet track with the stock rubber on - and that assumes nobody throws the bike down the road in the process. It's an unnecessary safety risk Yamaha would rather avoid. Once we get the bike in our hands for our own testing, then we can give it a proper eval with the stock rubber.
First: Thank you so much for your answer, I've really appreciated you took the time. Second: fair enough, I understand. But the tyres are such an important part on how the bike feels and it is so common for brands to switch for better rubber on presentations on track, that it is almost like they would change for a top of the line ohlins forks and shock because "the stock units wouldn't do the bike justice on track".
Miguel Furtado Have you ever done a track day in the wet on road tyres? its not a good idea. Rider would almost definitely take a spill. The grip from full wets is extremely good.
In fact I did, and it was not fun (now that you mentioned it, it was a year yesterday, eheh). But I wasn't there to get to know a new machine, and tyres being such an important factor on how the bike feels make a huge difference. For an example, I have my bike for 9 years and 101 000 km, so I've used a lot of tyres, and I know that it feels sluggish turning on the Bridgestone's 014 it came stock with and the front end is like riding with numb hands, with dunlops is better turning but harsh on bad surfaces and with the michelins it's nimbler and very confidence inducing when when braking. The stock tyres should reflect how the manufacturer intended the bike to feel.
Same thing 650ib said about the front brake on his review. Honestly I don't know how the idea to change fairings and put out the same bike went through corporate yamaha. Good review BTW.
MO staffs, just wanna give a feedback. I think a 60fps content is more useful compared to 4K because: - not everyone has 4K monitors - not all countries have fast internet for 4K - You cant really tell the differences with 1080p unless you are string several inches from the screen yea it's obviously a step forward, but you cant really notice it compared with previous gen formats, just like the R6 in this vid. just my 2c. nice bike anyway but nice
it's only heavier coz of the side slung exhaust to meet bsIV norms. it's got some awesome features. the TFT display on it is better than the super dukes' :D.
So the tyres, are they available aftermarket? As you stated that they're not the standard ones you would get off the shop floor? Is the weight difference only until you need new tyres ? xD
same engine but new R1 technologies put into it so it is a new R6, just not completely new. maybe they should've update the engine and keep the old fairing which was so sexy and timeless.
12k for a bike that's essentially the same and built for track which most people aren't going to use? It's that good that people are willing to be fatigued and hurting from potholes in the street?
i'm with u dude, rode a mates gsxr600 45kms to get to the twisties.... i was so wrecked when we got to the first turns I didn't really want to carry on lol.
That track is gorgeous man can't handle but notice the greenery that's beautiful
yep, so bumpy..
Ryan Reid Thunderhill isn't really that bumpy at all. Was pretty smooth when I rode. But then again I'm used to Buttonwillow lol
Gorgeous bike. It may be only a small step up, but like he said if you don't have a 600 and want one, this is the one to get.
There's a point where the ceiling just cant go much higher when it comes to performance. I think the new styling looks really sharp and I'm sure most people would be really happy with how the bikes rides.
I really liked how Yamaha integrated the R6 name into the tachometer reading so it goes '0, 2, 4, R6, 8, etc. Really ingenious imo. :)
I had a 2011 and it was the same. I agree it's a neat little detail that is pretty underappreciated.
for now ,i think old looks better,but at least yamaha didn't dump 600 like Honda did.
Raivons R1 yeah exactly
Raivons R1
Honda only dumped 600cc's in europe because of new CO2 emission policies and not enough people buys so why spend money to change it to pass. US still gets 600 from Honda.
Roberto Llagas I care more about future generations getting to ride motorcycles than getting to live at 5 feet or less above present day sea level
Kawi didnt either, they added more classes like the 400 and new zx250r
It looks just so fucking pissed off
yamaha make the best looking bikes at the very least
o0bananaman0o did you see that ugly exhaust?
*Used to have the best looking bikes
Mani Balaji C who keeps a stock exhaust???
i personally think the s1000rr is the best looking bike but everyone has thier own opinion
ducati any day..
Great review 👏 appreciate the comparison to the older bike, hopefully, this means good deals on "old bike"
Samuel Sharpe I wanna Buy myself a R6 in 3 Years and i think that then the New R6 will cost as much as a Used R6 does now🤔
the track's landscape so beautiful!
The only way to make the R6 "new" and/or better is to make it crossplane firing pattern like the R1, and also make it rev to 20k RPM. Other than that, it's the same bike as the years before.
20k would be nice, but at those kinds of revs, you're putting an exponential amount of stress on the engine. It wouldn't last long, provided the valves don't start bouncing before then.
A crossplane engine wouldn't benefit a 600.
The cross plane crank won't benefit a 600, it doesn't have the torque surge of a liter bike. The R1 gives up some high rpm performance for that cross plane crank, but the benefit of the smoother torque curve helps make the bike more ridable and faster for most riders (same reason for the "big bang" motors in MotoGP). The crossplane twin on the FZ-07 is a sound thing, it makes it sound like a V-twin instead of the underwhelming sound you get from something like the Ninja 650. The FZ-09 isn't different from other triples, despite Yamaha marketing hype, standard triple firing order already is fairly close to "crossplane"
TheGameRoom well even if the crossplane won't help, it needs to change somehow besides looks or a few millimeters here and there. It's getting stale
What could they actually do to it? Stale or not from whatever viewpoint you hold, it's already outpacing everything else in the 600cc sportbike class so nothing actually needs to change. Over the course of 06-16 they made a lot of small changes to the engine here and there but it's completely sound and does exactly what it sets out to do.
There's a rather large difference between want and need, it doesn't need to change, there's absolutely no logical or rational justification for it to need a new engine. You can want a new motor in this bike but they're already pushing everything they possibly can out of a 600.
Aside from introducing a 750cc displacement to the market, the R6 is perfectly sound as is.
"you can't defeat it unless you take off the fuse"... I see what you did there lol
A triumph 675r and a ninja zx6r 636 are roughly the same price and this bike is the best bike you can buy with the features it has. If you're looking for a new 600 and you've never owned an r6 then this is THE bike to get in the middleweight class. 90% of the people complaining have probably never even thrown a leg over an r6 let alone ridden/owned one
Hi bit of a random question but in your opinion do you think It would be wise for me to go straight into starting out with an R6? I love the whole bike and have wanted one for ages but have no riding experience other than a 125cc scooter when I was younger
The 2018 matte grey... what a beauty
Shaving weight by lightning the tires is so bloody cheesy - so you're getting a weaker version of the same tire with less tread so that they can hit their weight goals? NOT COOL.
tires or rims? no time to watch the vid again :P
Simon Vuylsteke Tires
i think the title should be "old yamaha R6 wih new fairing" lol
Old R6 with new fairing, forks and a bigger price tag. TC on a street tuned 600= WASTE OF MONEY!
Not really. I have lost the rear end a number of times on my 600s. In the wet on tarmac seams, Donington park I got away with a highside, Sprinting your tyres are stone cold.
Yes for dry weather street riders, maybe not needed.
These bikes are pussy cats below 7000 revs. Keep an eye on the road surface, tire temp and wear, OH, and train your wrist. I'm just being a grump.I Hate the new crap because it can't be fixed.I don't even want know what problems with a TC system would cost to rectify. Even fuel injection kinda pisses me off. That said, I Love my 09 R6 and this one is probably great to. I just miss being able to take care of my bike myself, without spending a fortune.
The thing is that they rarely go wrong. My 10 year old Nissan 350Z has TC and an internal gyro. It works so well that I had to cut a wire to turn it off :D
So I'm happy with the technology because it proves itself reliable :)
jim james theyre not bad to work on. you know there is built in diagnostic feature? it allows you to test all of the sensors, coils, injectors, relays etc via the instrument cluster.
Video quality rocks, footage is very nice, rider knows what he's talking about. Great job.
Thanks! We're making an effort to up our video quality. Glad you liked it.
Great review Troy loved the fact that you called it like it is, basically stick with the prev gen R6 this is just a style update
Thanks! The Yamaha folks aren't blind to the fact many will perceive it the same way I did. That said, the R6 is still a rad motorcycle. Adding traction control, ABS, optional quickshifter, CCU, and new styling are all cool new features, IMO.
that neon green-yellow color is sick
I have an 07 R6 that still looks and feels great to ride. The new updates are pretty nice though.
WOW! The track never looked this green! Thank you rains :-)
BLACK R6 looks dope ❤️😍
I would love to add this new Yamaha R6 to my stable. Looks great and I love all the electronic goodies that come with it.
I really really like this new body design. I've always had some problems with that eye'ey look on the 2016 model (though the 2009ish models are great).
Proper review and great footage. Great video!
I'm glad I watched this, the dealership is trying to convince me to trade in my 2014 r6, and I'm not really seeing why I should trade it.....but this video says why I shouldn't trade it.....
the only thing i love about this new r6 is. that nice rear end 💛 😁
Beautiful in white, so did the 09 with red seat. Made me buy one (charcoal).
Personally I wouldn't say one bike looks better than the other. They both look great in their own right, e older one has this lightning fast while standing still styling while the new one is a bit more grown up. Perhaps for the more mature rider who doesn't want to be associated with the potential hooligans in his neighborhood.
Love that onboard cam. Wouldn't mind an onboard lap video
just picked one up with the same color. Love it but coming from Honda Ive got to get used to this taller seat and riding position
Perfect video! Can’t find better review than this
Thanks for the 4k. 60fps next time maybe?! lol And also for the sincere review, mentioning that the '16 "old" bike remains a good option even over a "revised" new bike.
Horas lae Siahaan, greetings from Indonesia. Love the bike.
At least yamaha are keeping the 600 class unlike every other manufacturers
Thunder hill does look like a nice track, buttonwillow is cool, but i need to hit thunderhill with my 2016 60th anniversary R6 :)
the only think i love is the speedometer look very awesome...have gear indicator..very looking forward to see on 2016 r6
4:58 savage troy
Not only the bike the track is also very beautiful.
Nailed it.
The bottom willows looks gorgeous due to all the rain.
At 1:55 you mentioned reduced drag by 8%.
8% drag might make a considerable difference at hi-way speed acceleration.
It would be interesting to test 2016 and 2017 rate of acceleration from 60-120.
That would be proof of the 8% reduced drag.
I love all the complaints.. like you're fronting Yamaha's development budget or something. Or have even purchased a new bike. It's a decent update, hopefully a carry over for something new in 2 years. Honda's 600 is gone and Suzuki's smallest gixxer is on life support.
i love what they did to the headlights
nice video man, btw Siahaan is Indonesian name, Bataknese to be precise :D
Thank you for an honest and excellent review. Last year I really hoped Yamaha would put a three cylinder engine in this new R6... I'd buy it ASAP if they did.
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, a triple would have been cool. But revving the snot out of an inline-Four on track is also pretty cool.
Troy Siahaan i
14k in Canada. Disappointing no TFT or IMU.
Surprised he didn't mention the seat width difference. I've got a 2011 and I would think a narrower seat would be very noticeable
Motorcycle.com's longest review in ages, of an old bike. seriously!?
muzman777 its the us... and a yamaha... they love yamaha
good honest review! what cameras are you using for this video?
great review troy
I know the track was wet, but who will run rain racing tyres on them (other then on the races)? So why not leave the stock tyres to have a real perception of the bike behaviour?
Because we only had one day to ride the bike, rain or shine. Not a lot we can learn about the bike on a wet track with the stock rubber on - and that assumes nobody throws the bike down the road in the process. It's an unnecessary safety risk Yamaha would rather avoid. Once we get the bike in our hands for our own testing, then we can give it a proper eval with the stock rubber.
First: Thank you so much for your answer, I've really appreciated you took the time.
Second: fair enough, I understand. But the tyres are such an important part on how the bike feels and it is so common for brands to switch for better rubber on presentations on track, that it is almost like they would change for a top of the line ohlins forks and shock because "the stock units wouldn't do the bike justice on track".
Miguel Furtado Have you ever done a track day in the wet on road tyres? its not a good idea. Rider would almost definitely take a spill. The grip from full wets is extremely good.
In fact I did, and it was not fun (now that you mentioned it, it was a year yesterday, eheh). But I wasn't there to get to know a new machine, and tyres being such an important factor on how the bike feels make a huge difference. For an example, I have my bike for 9 years and 101 000 km, so I've used a lot of tyres, and I know that it feels sluggish turning on the Bridgestone's 014 it came stock with and the front end is like riding with numb hands, with dunlops is better turning but harsh on bad surfaces and with the michelins it's nimbler and very confidence inducing when when braking. The stock tyres should reflect how the manufacturer intended the bike to feel.
Same thing 650ib said about the front brake on his review.
Honestly I don't know how the idea to change fairings and put out the same bike went through corporate yamaha.
Good review BTW.
black looks stunning
The cockpit view is 👌😍
Good honest review! thank you
Love the video guys, but for everyday use is it still as uncomfortable as the old R6?
love the mirror lights
I would definitely buy just for the white and lime colourway
I've never wanted an R6 but i do miss the looks of the lights on the old one
GREAT VIDEO!
I will keep my 2011 for now. It does look good though.
The white one looks cool!
I like it. Add ti exhaust, power commander and shitcan the bridgies for a set of Q3's
How can you not be able to tell the difference considering the significant power drop from the previous model?
MO staffs, just wanna give a feedback. I think a 60fps content is more useful compared to 4K because:
- not everyone has 4K monitors
- not all countries have fast internet for 4K
- You cant really tell the differences with 1080p unless you are string several inches from the screen
yea it's obviously a step forward, but you cant really notice it compared with previous gen formats, just like the R6 in this vid.
just my 2c.
nice bike anyway
but nice
much awaited
Siahaan . love it XD horas lae
What are they going to change to make the engine better? While following the same rules in the same class?
Beautiful bike and track
if you want lot of views quickly, review the ktm duke 390. The whole of asia is looking forward to that motorcycle.
Why? It's heavier than the old one and.....looks a bit different.
it's only heavier coz of the side slung exhaust to meet bsIV norms. it's got some awesome features. the TFT display on it is better than the super dukes' :D.
lol BS4
I'm in Asia and I don't fucking care about the Duke 390.
whole asia?... do you mean INDIA?
bcos its not too popular in indonesia and other SEA country..
Beautiful thing in the world 😍
Getting this next month in matte black
Oh my gosh. That track is beautiful. Where is it?
Thunderhill Raceway in Willows, California.
Great video... What kind of laptimes are you getting at Thunderhill? Did you run Bridgestone oem for your fast laps?
I wonder if the new fairings and fairing stays can bolt up to the old r6
Wondering if/when we'll start to see underslung swingarms on production bikes.
For tuff streetriding, would you recommend a 600cc or a 1000cc sportbike?
Which is quicker this r6 vs triumph daytona 675r?
I just got this bike!!!😁😁I love it
I dont plan on getting this bike but i love R6s i have a 2001
So the tyres, are they available aftermarket?
As you stated that they're not the standard ones you would get off the shop floor? Is the weight difference only until you need new tyres ? xD
Lol waited over a decade for the same dash well done
Finaly someone did a fuckin review
mantap laek Troy
I like the new R6 - really nice bike!
Beautiful
beautiful bike!
Buy an 08+ and fit the new shape bodywork! Boom. Cheap new looking bike!
Hai Troy Siahaan! I know your father is from Indonesian because your last name is Siahaan! That s batak from Indonesia! HORAS!!!
same engine but new R1 technologies put into it so it is a new R6, just not completely new. maybe they should've update the engine and keep the old fairing which was so sexy and timeless.
12k for a bike that's essentially the same and built for track which most people aren't going to use? It's that good that people are willing to be fatigued and hurting from potholes in the street?
You can actually steer around the potholes fyi ;)
i'm with u dude, rode a mates gsxr600 45kms to get to the twisties.... i was so wrecked when we got to the first turns I didn't really want to carry on lol.
It's not for comfort you dumb fuck
Greg every second tho
that helmet is soo fuking cool!
Siahaan? Are you from indonesia?
Maybe its just the colour but panned to the old R6 and that looked nicer tbh
hi guys, just wondering if u guys can make a video about the 2017 yamaha yzf-r3 movistar ??? i love the looks of that r6 though :D
those headlights are so sexy ! could i get this bike as my first ? ive been looking at the ninja 400 and honda cbr500
This bike is taking for fucking ever to get here.
Sounds like the only person that should upgrade is someone who wants new fairings and electronics. Not enough for most people to jump ship IMO.
Would a 600cc crossplane crankshaft engine a good idea? :-)
Is this a reliable and decent starter bike for a 25 year old?
Looks good
Baby R1
CycleCruza Water is also wet cruza