What's the Difference between Ness and Lucas? (SSBU)

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 29 кві 2020
  • Uhh... PK Fire?
    Thanks for watching!
    My twitter: / megaalexexe
    The intro and endcard music were made by my good friend Will (Liam Solas)!
    Will's Soundcloud: / liam-solas
    If you have any questions or business inquiries, please contact me via this e-mail: alex.exe.business@gmail.com
    Some of the songs used in this video are owned by Nintendo.
    Tracklist:
    Bein' Friends | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    Dangerous Guys | Mother 3
    Fourside (Melee) | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    Gentle Rain | Mother 3
    Magicant (3DS/Wii U) | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    Onett Theme/Winters Theme | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    Smiles and Tears | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    Snowman | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    Unfounded Revenge/Smashing Song of Praise | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
  • Ігри

КОМЕНТАРІ • 1,6 тис.

  • @markm.8286
    @markm.8286 4 роки тому +3363

    It's pretty simple, actually. One is famous in the west and the other's game wont be released there.

    • @AlexEXE
      @AlexEXE  4 роки тому +483

      Reggie, give us Mother 3!
      *bursts into fire*

    • @gamingyoshifanatic4082
      @gamingyoshifanatic4082 4 роки тому +254

      Ness: OK! 😃
      Lucas: 😭
      Ninten: •-•

    • @bejaminsn7309
      @bejaminsn7309 4 роки тому +52

      and another mom is dead

    • @rompevuevitos222
      @rompevuevitos222 4 роки тому +17

      @@AlexEXE He retired for a reason :p

    • @5849_Nearl
      @5849_Nearl 4 роки тому +19

      @@AlexEXE Sadly but Reggie retired from Nintendo :(

  • @res0470
    @res0470 4 роки тому +733

    simple.
    ness’s dad is a telephone.
    and lucas’s dad is chuck norris.

    • @SeantheDracunyan76
      @SeantheDracunyan76 2 роки тому +35

      No its red dead redemption protagonist

    • @nomnom2298
      @nomnom2298 2 роки тому +17

      Oh hey it appears your pfp is the boy who really likes hitting the franklin badge with lethal electricity

    • @Cre8iveExercise
      @Cre8iveExercise 2 роки тому +18

      Ness has a mom

    • @99wins31
      @99wins31 2 роки тому +11

      Ness: Man, This ain’t my dad. This is a cell phone

    • @andygiraldo7898
      @andygiraldo7898 Рік тому +3

      @@99wins31 did you see the Ness's dad spirit?

  • @scratch9349
    @scratch9349 4 роки тому +2010

    Anyone: Makes a video about Lucas
    The comments:
    “Haha lucas mom dead”
    “Haha game not localized”

    • @lucaluca3238
      @lucaluca3238 4 роки тому +88

      "Haha pk fire go woosh"

    • @numberonecrate
      @numberonecrate 4 роки тому +71

      “haha lucas spam freeze”

    • @smartstuf1026
      @smartstuf1026 4 роки тому +50

      “Haha pk, i hate”

    • @TudBoatTed
      @TudBoatTed 4 роки тому +32

      Ness's dad who never came back

    • @symphomaniac
      @symphomaniac 4 роки тому +36

      Right and you can guarantee it's from people who haven't even played Mother 3.
      Wack.

  • @tokitoons1926
    @tokitoons1926 3 роки тому +413

    “What’s the difference between Ness and Lucas”
    Me:Ness has a hat and Lucas looks like Rick Astley

    • @julesadjulesad8944
      @julesadjulesad8944 3 роки тому +1

      Lol

    • @curtdog647
      @curtdog647 3 роки тому +20

      Never gonna give you up, never gonna release your game

    • @turtle2774
      @turtle2774 3 роки тому +5

      Never gonna give you up never gonna let you down

    • @tr2192
      @tr2192 2 роки тому

      oh yeah

    • @jamalyoung8696
      @jamalyoung8696 2 роки тому

      Yooo lucas look like rick astley

  • @dustyacer
    @dustyacer 4 роки тому +1700

    As a lucas player i thought i'd add a few things,
    - you can also cancel magnet with jump as u heal.
    - his down throw doesn't actually bury, you can set the opp to 999 and its still the same, and it isn't affected by mash either, its purely aesthetic.
    - Calling his uthrow nothing special isn't true, it kills midweights around 140 ish, making it one of the strongest uthrows in the game.
    - His fthrow is also a kill throw, although typically uthrow will kill a percents sooner, but will kill earlier on TnC.
    - His usmash has head intangibility frames 15-29 and full body invincibility frame 1-7. Also coined the strongest usmash in the game.
    Some more in-depth opinions on which is better
    Magnet
    - Magnet has much less combo untility compared to ness, only allowing really magnet to datk at 0.
    - magnet is the safest non-projectile move in the game (more so than Mario's atks, Lucario aura nair, shotos nair etc.). allowing for plenty of shield pressure. it is 0 on shield, so you can magnet the top on their shield and if they dont have an option oos faster than frame 7, u can uair them (which is also safe).
    - Magnet apparently can auto turnaround at times, I'm not too knowledgeable about how it works though.
    - when the opponent is airborne, the pull increases dependent on the opponent's percentage. Good for anti-ledgetrapping, reverse edgeguarding ( pulling them into a bair).
    Thunder
    - the term you didn't use was that it's transcendent. Its a much better edgeguarding tool but a much worse juggling tool. also when recovering it won't hit opponents and make you fall to your death. Pk thunder 2 also has trouble with all hits connecting too.
    Pk fire
    - when pk fire cranks with another projectile it actually explodes and makes a burst towards the enemy actually hitting them. Not sure if ness does that.
    - It also pushes lucas a bit in the air (similar to gunner fair, corrin bair). (also not sure if ness does that)
    - airial version has much more landing lag (as its meant to be used further away compared to ness's)
    - outside of playing idiots, it's mainly used as an edgeguarding tool (also tech chasing and jump callouts), and can actually kill decently early.
    Uair
    - While both have amazing combos, his is a single hit making it so they won't fall out (#fixmultihits). It has a decent disjoint on the back of the head allowing for his uair to actually beat palu's nair.
    - Although ness's uair kills a lot earlier than lucas's
    utilt
    - Lucas's is faster, acts similar to a zss utilt by being a quick get off me tool and putting the opponent into the air.
    - Although has much less combo ability, with the only combos being frame perfect fh uairs at low-mid percentages.
    - Ness's has a sour spot that may be hit against grounded opponents, while lucas's sourspot is the delay hit (meaning if you get hit by the horizontal hitbox while grounded, it will always pop the opponent into a sweetspot.)
    Datk
    - lucas's can hit under the ledge (but not all characters)
    Ftilt
    - Is pretty disjointed but isn't that long.
    - Solid 2 -framing move/extended ledge hang.
    - The sweet spot kills a bit earlier, but the sourspot doesnt really kill at all. (Although ness's ftilt is surprisingly strong).
    - is -8 when spaced, making link's upb the only move in the game that can punish it on shield when spaced right. (Ness's is -17)
    Neutral b
    - Ness can actually combo from his bc of the high freeze frame (if he lands it close).
    Fsmash
    - lucas's also reflects projectiles slightly sooner, although for slightly less duration.
    SH/FH time
    - It takes ness a lot longer to do sh, fh, shff, fh ff. one of the reason's why he can spam so much
    Other/Gameplay/Who should you chose
    - Lucas has: Better edgeguarding with all aerials being amazing(dair you don't have to time, bair spikes and is disjointed and lasts relatively long(good at reverse edgeguarding, nair is really good at dragging opponents, fair is really strong), and all specials being useful. Better recovery with tether and long upb. He typically plays more defensively (although he can play both very well), but he can't "spam as much", many of his moves has tipper so u have to space and his burst options are kinda meh (pivot filt > datk all the time and dash grab is kinda bad). Although technically his moves are safer on shield, but ness can "spam more" making them harder to punish. He doesn't have as many true combos, mostly mixups are harder techs like dair loops, nair loops, djcz loops, dtilt loops. In general, it's harder to close stocks with Lucas. Lucas's oos isn't as good with frame 10 nair, frame 12 fair, frame 1-8 invincible usmash that comes out on frame 28 (tank through spammers), while ness's nair is frame 8 and has a better hitbox and sets up for tech chases.
    While i don't think there is one that is exclusively better, as both has there strong points and it comes down to a matter of playstyle. (Although low-key, i think ness is better despite being a lucas player).

    • @Thy_Guardian
      @Thy_Guardian 4 роки тому +109

      Omg, clearly underrated, almost nobody noticed you ! That's sad, I'll give you a thumb up if it can help. Writing so much for almost nothing.. damn, I feel you.
      I'll definetly try all your tips and trying playing Lucas more.

    • @prodbym1guel
      @prodbym1guel 4 роки тому +121

      Calm down brother you wrote a whole god damm essay

    • @MalkiLucas7
      @MalkiLucas7 4 роки тому +36

      Ness is still better

    • @mdraggy0909
      @mdraggy0909 4 роки тому +13

      ness pk fire does do some recoil on the ground and air but it isnt as apparent as lucas. for lucas up smash i think at least in terms of damage wise he falls a little short towards ganon's. i personally i like to play lucas cause he's just very fun to play as and has cool stuff with his tilts and zair tech but i'm much better with ness cuase of combos with magnet. i think the guy forgot to mention that ness has a sour spot on his up tilt and it usually happens with shorter characters.

    • @DjsmellYT
      @DjsmellYT 4 роки тому +40

      Bless ya

  • @firespark3234
    @firespark3234 4 роки тому +199

    Lucas's crouch Pose looks like he's about to dash. In Mother 3, when you press the Dash button, it looks like the crouch he does in smash bros ultimate

    • @aero253
      @aero253 4 роки тому +31

      Can confirm this. It’s a pretty cool callback

  • @artstrange3230
    @artstrange3230 4 роки тому +254

    "Lucas' PK Fire is a single burst"
    Combo Counter: "That's two hits, my dude."

    • @Mari-hp4tl
      @Mari-hp4tl 4 роки тому +10

      Sure it is, combo counter...

    • @ricocarpenter2189
      @ricocarpenter2189 3 роки тому +7

      @@Mari-hp4tl It really is. Although very rare it is possible to only hit one part of Lucas' PK fire.

  • @MonadoJoJo
    @MonadoJoJo 4 роки тому +331

    I'm more of a Lucas person, but I really love both characters. Ness and Lucas is a great example of having a shared idea for a moveset but at the same time making them feel like 2 entirely seperate characters.

    • @rubub8455
      @rubub8455 2 роки тому +18

      every ness main has or is planning to kill someone

    • @crabnebula1816
      @crabnebula1816 2 роки тому +7

      @@rubub8455 I have found another form of darkness, switching from Ness to Lucas, mostly to have a usable neutral B and more comfortable side B. Also funni snek

    • @tr2192
      @tr2192 2 роки тому +3

      I am also more of a lucas person

    • @PiereLovesRed7316
      @PiereLovesRed7316 2 роки тому +2

      Same

    • @EXFoxer
      @EXFoxer 2 роки тому +3

      Same, I also prefer lucas instead of ness. But I still like both, but I like lucas more.

  • @eziashit1501
    @eziashit1501 4 роки тому +605

    For pk Fire, ness does the Dodon Ray while Lucas does the kamehameha

  • @piman3143
    @piman3143 4 роки тому +379

    9:51 "As for everything else, they're nothing special"
    Lucas has 3 kill throws. THREE

    • @ktoolsssb7080
      @ktoolsssb7080 4 роки тому +11

      His up throw kills before his forward throw with proper DI though so there’s nearly so situation where you’d want to use fthrow???

    • @piman3143
      @piman3143 4 роки тому +33

      @@ktoolsssb7080 Actually, at the ledge, I'm pretty sure f throw kills slightly earlier than up throw at around 120 to 130 percent. But yes, you should almost always use up throw or back throw. Doesn't change the fact that his throws are great

    • @dacrenzio5903
      @dacrenzio5903 4 роки тому +6

      I use them to DI trap... If i'm facing the ledge they have to guess if they want to do DI away Upthrow or DI in fthrow (if they mess up or you condition them you can Kill at 120% with fthrow)

    • @scratch9349
      @scratch9349 4 роки тому +5

      Lol dthrow is the only useless one

    • @ktoolsssb7080
      @ktoolsssb7080 4 роки тому +5

      The Pokemaster No. His fthrow kills 5% earlier at ledge on PS2, lylat and unova. It’s honestly not that useful

  • @psionics321
    @psionics321 4 роки тому +563

    *Ness' Starstorm meteors are stronger and bigger than Lucas' but Lucas has faster and more numerous meteors aside from being easier to control. Also Ness' Starstorm always begins at the middle of the stage while Lucas' always starts above him. This creates an interesting effect when used at a high height...
    *Lucas has the better recovery since his PK Thunder isn't as gimpable as Ness and PK Thunder 2 sends him nearly twice as much distance as Ness'.
    *Lucas' PK fire has actual kill potential especially offstage while Ness' can't kill at all except in mid-air. (without followups)
    *Lucas is not floatier than Ness
    *Lucas has faster base speed than Ness but Ness has a tad bit better acceleration.
    *Lucas' voice isn't as annoying as Ness' (imo).
    Edit: some corrections due to mistakes on my part (anything beyond this point are additional ones that I forgot)
    *Ness' PK Thunder moves faster than Lucas'
    *Ness has a stronger reflector (fsmash).

    • @alexbluecyndaquil
      @alexbluecyndaquil 4 роки тому +66

      Ness has a mom. (Sniff)

    • @Wheaty03
      @Wheaty03 4 роки тому +11

      Lucas's pk starstorm doesn't always spawn above him, if you are close enough to the top blastzone they will spawn to his side or below him

    • @psionics321
      @psionics321 4 роки тому +6

      @@Wheaty03 yeah, i wanted to include that but i didn't know how to explain it.

    • @qu4ry529
      @qu4ry529 4 роки тому +12

      Pk freeze haunts me though

    • @gianlucaeyre6261
      @gianlucaeyre6261 4 роки тому +3

      Ok
      Ok
      Ok
      Ok
      Ok
      Ok
      Ok
      OKIE

  • @moussacamara909
    @moussacamara909 4 роки тому +551

    One psi user is a spammer of fire the other is a spammer of ice

  • @niffuM4205
    @niffuM4205 4 роки тому +53

    Whenever i hear Lucas say "PK FIRE" it makes me wanna write a song about it...

    • @scarlettlivi8003
      @scarlettlivi8003 4 роки тому +1

      Go for it! That would be interesting! 😃

    • @mcskyer5039
      @mcskyer5039 Рік тому +2

      @@scarlettlivi8003 i think that was sarcasm/irony…

    • @gxtsu
      @gxtsu Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/JkmVgb0brBY/v-deo.html

    • @gxtsu
      @gxtsu Рік тому +2

      ik im 2 years late but whatever

  • @yeetyeet3534
    @yeetyeet3534 2 роки тому +64

    “For PK Thunder, when measuring the distance, Lucas seems to go a little bit further”
    What do you mean “a bit further” he traveled like double ness’s distance

    • @NotMichael349
      @NotMichael349 2 роки тому +11

      Nah bro lucas went to the fucking moon

    • @okayokey
      @okayokey 11 місяців тому

      @@NotMichael349you can even survive a bowser suicide grab.

  • @OMOCarlos
    @OMOCarlos 2 роки тому +12

    Fun fact(s): Ness' PSI attacks (Nuteral Air/Dash attacks) are actually PSI Rockin', an exclusive PSI only obtainable for him. Same with Lucas, but with PK Love, shared with Claus.

  • @yuh6132
    @yuh6132 4 роки тому +72

    When you were analyzing their up b's, what do you mean "a little bit of more distance than Ness" when describing Lucas'? His goes WAY further. I just though I should point that out

    • @lockecole2213
      @lockecole2213 3 роки тому +3

      If you experiment with it you'll notice Lucas's is nearly twice as far

    • @JayJayNoelastnam
      @JayJayNoelastnam 3 роки тому +1

      Lucas'recovery options are insane. I hate him

    • @mcskyer5039
      @mcskyer5039 Рік тому +2

      @@JayJayNoelastnam just, why? there are characters with WAY more broken and overpowered recovery tools like rob/villager upB, king k rool upB, minmin/joker tether G&W upB, etc… Also, you can just counter or reflect ness‘ and lucas‘ upB quite easy

  • @randomkidsfromcherrystreet7430
    @randomkidsfromcherrystreet7430 4 роки тому +15

    Thank you for showcasing how different these characters are to everyone who says they're the same.

    • @MonsterverseKeizerGhidorah
      @MonsterverseKeizerGhidorah 4 роки тому +5

      I know right. I get pissed when some people are like “ThEy’RE tHe SaMe ChArActeR”.

    • @vossboss220
      @vossboss220 3 роки тому +3

      there's even more differences he missed

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 роки тому +1

      Literally nobody says that about Ness and Lucas. You are confusing them with the 4 Marths which are practically the same.

    • @randomkidsfromcherrystreet7430
      @randomkidsfromcherrystreet7430 3 роки тому +4

      @@impossiblehanley2732 hey man don't get your truffles in a twist, it was just a comment

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 роки тому

      @@randomkidsfromcherrystreet7430 bruh

  • @periwinkuru
    @periwinkuru 4 роки тому +43

    3:05 "Lucas does three *E N E R G Y* blasts"

    • @Metal6012
      @Metal6012 4 роки тому +5

      No it's Ok Love, honestly I'm curious to how Pk ground looks like and wonder if that should of been Lucas's final smash. But it's all Okay.

    • @yellowpower3755
      @yellowpower3755 3 роки тому +1

      I mean, that’s basically what both Rockin AND Love are anyway

  • @the_hoff6375
    @the_hoff6375 3 роки тому +19

    Nobody:
    Lucas absolutely boding Ness: 10:36

  • @0tokamen
    @0tokamen 3 роки тому +22

    I was looking for a main but couldn't make up my mind, after several months of reflection and trying out I'm now a happy Lucas main 🥳

    • @TotPocket
      @TotPocket Рік тому +7

      plz don't PK Freeze me

  • @bobjeezorham7658
    @bobjeezorham7658 4 роки тому +57

    Honestly Lucas' moves are so different from Ness at times that I have to wonder why they're even considered clones.

    • @bobjeezorham7658
      @bobjeezorham7658 Рік тому +5

      @Christian
      I really wanted to main Banjo, but unfortunately his play style isn't for me. I love just about everything about his inclusion, though, and I was very happy when that trailer dropped.

    • @crazycanyon3028
      @crazycanyon3028 11 місяців тому +3

      Probably their specials

  • @abitofananimator5716
    @abitofananimator5716 4 роки тому +17

    7:32 Ness can also roll out of his magnet
    9:53 Lucas has a really good up and forward throw, they’re both some of the best in the game

  • @uchihajunior5648
    @uchihajunior5648 4 роки тому +29

    9:52
    "as for the other throws, they're nothing else"
    dude, both lucas's up'throw and f'throw are kill throws.

  • @hotmail721
    @hotmail721 3 роки тому +83

    2:33 I love how lucas just absorbs the stick 😂🤣

    • @lokani
      @lokani 3 роки тому +5

      True xD

    • @faeralfemme
      @faeralfemme 3 роки тому +3

      It just kinda dissolved in his hand I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @TotPocket
      @TotPocket Рік тому +3

      Meanwhile Ness is a normal kid and puts it in his backpack 😆

  • @InfernalLuminary
    @InfernalLuminary 4 роки тому +56

    It's simple
    One has eyebrows
    and the other doesn't have eyebrows

    • @catco123
      @catco123 3 роки тому +15

      oh god oh frick I can’t unsee it

  • @shelbybunny
    @shelbybunny Рік тому +3

    something i really enjoy from a design soundpoint is that Ness’ generic PSI attacks (maybe it’s PK Rockin’?) are round, while Lucas’ generic PSI attacks (maybe it’s PK Love?) are hexagonal

  • @nut00
    @nut00 4 роки тому +84

    should've mentioned the other throws they have. lucas' forward, back, and up all kill

    • @HoleeCarolee
      @HoleeCarolee 4 роки тому +1

      Not nearly as early as ness’ bthrow tho

    • @MAlru005
      @MAlru005 4 роки тому

      Lucas has 2 combo throws i think

    • @nut00
      @nut00 4 роки тому +3

      @@MAlru005 dude nah he doesnt even have 1

    • @KevSB07
      @KevSB07 4 роки тому

      GDMixer still worth mentioning

    • @MAlru005
      @MAlru005 4 роки тому

      yeehaw d-throw fair?

  • @cheeleong9947
    @cheeleong9947 4 роки тому +63

    Ness: Hey Lucas how is your PK Fire?
    Lucas: Don’t even think about it
    *Ness’s Pk Fire is multiple hit and Lucas is double hit*
    Ness: You are only a doubl-
    Lucas: *I SAID DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT*

    • @psionics321
      @psionics321 4 роки тому +12

      Lucas: Well at least mine can kill offstage and anywhere

    • @zoruasgang740
      @zoruasgang740 4 роки тому +5

      Lucas's PK Fire actually technically has 2 hits (as shown by the training mode combo counter)

    • @haugamertran645
      @haugamertran645 4 роки тому

      @@zoruasgang740 ness pk fire is spamable

    • @alphalupus7527
      @alphalupus7527 4 роки тому +1

      Psionics 321 So can Ness’s, if you get pk fired offstage, Ness can go for a down-air spike

    • @psionics321
      @psionics321 4 роки тому +2

      @@alphalupus7527 i meant PK Fire by itself meaning follow ups aren't part of it. Ness PK Fire can't kill by itself is what I meant

  • @TheGoombaFromNowhere
    @TheGoombaFromNowhere 3 роки тому +13

    The most satisfying thing you can do online is using Ness and Lucas’ recoveries successfully.

    • @spiritbaki108
      @spiritbaki108 3 роки тому +2

      Using them succesfully is easy, the hard thing is not getting edguarded

    • @sigurdtheblue
      @sigurdtheblue 2 роки тому

      There are so many more satisfying things in this game. I also think hitting PK Thunder 2 as both is much more satisfying than simply grabbing ledge. And using PK Thunder 1 to hit opponents (again as both) is very satisfying. Lucas make people feel invalidated when they try to return to stage and Ness can hit people for a very long time and rack up tons of damage.

  • @bryanjgarcia909
    @bryanjgarcia909 4 роки тому +25

    They're completely different characters, but in general, Ness has a lower skill cap but a lower barrier of entry. Lucas as some wacky frame-perfect tech that makes him dummy good in a variety of situations

    • @BlazenPowers
      @BlazenPowers 4 роки тому +2

      Except when people put Lucas in a disadvantage.

    • @lockecole2213
      @lockecole2213 3 роки тому +3

      I think Ness is more optimized competitively, BestNess plays like a TAS

    • @mcskyer5039
      @mcskyer5039 Рік тому

      oof, the djcz (double jump cancel zair)… i tried to learn it for hours and didn’t succeed.

    • @IRapOnTypeBeats
      @IRapOnTypeBeats Рік тому

      @@mcskyer5039 me either it is so hard dude

  • @walkinburro
    @walkinburro 4 роки тому +11

    8:17 those screams lmao

    • @TotPocket
      @TotPocket Рік тому

      I think the fact that Ness becomes a human missle is more hilarious 😆

  • @vossboss220
    @vossboss220 4 роки тому +14

    For up tilt, Ness does in fact have a sweet spot. The sour spot data is the old up tilt data from brawl. if you hit the sour spot you hear the generic punch sound but if you get the sweet spot a magic sound is played instead
    Lucas's magnet activates sooner. Ness can also roll after using magnet. His magnet hit box is magic based while lucas's is electric. Ness's magnetic repulsion also does not scale while Lucas' magnetic attraction increases with percent while airborne
    Ness has one very strong kill throw while Lucas has 3 weaker ones

  • @shadicgamer2124
    @shadicgamer2124 3 роки тому +10

    What's between difference Ness and Lucas?
    EVERY MOVE

  • @granulatedgarlic
    @granulatedgarlic 3 роки тому +46

    Ness: hey Lucas, wanna hear a joke?
    Lucas: ok, what is it?
    Ness: YOUR MOM HAHAHAHA
    Lucas: dude that meme is so dead
    Ness: like your mom :)
    EDIT: Part 2
    Lucas: well at least I’ve seen my dad
    Ness: well at least I can appreciate my sibling!

    • @HCPC-tf9gz
      @HCPC-tf9gz 3 роки тому +13

      Dang... 💀

    • @gdray4988
      @gdray4988 3 роки тому +8

      Ness clearly destroyed Lucas in this comment .-.

  • @notyours807
    @notyours807 4 роки тому +9

    Ness has a 2x power multiplier on his bat reflection while Lucas only has a 1.5x power multiplier.

  • @memperkasaya2078
    @memperkasaya2078 4 роки тому

    My favorite series on your channel by far! There are more instances like this so keep it up until every clone is covered!

  • @CinnamintSsb
    @CinnamintSsb 4 роки тому +18

    lucas can shift his momentum with zair using a tech called djcz (double jump cancel zair), and he can also use it to combo u across the stage. Ness's magnet hitbox has set knockback

    • @BlazenPowers
      @BlazenPowers 4 роки тому

      Don't foget that Ness Magnet is a combo extender.

    • @CinnamintSsb
      @CinnamintSsb 4 роки тому +1

      @@BlazenPowers ye

  • @carolmay8428
    @carolmay8428 3 роки тому +3

    I love both of them,mainly because of recovering with the recover,it's just so satisfying

  • @hassunkhan9448
    @hassunkhan9448 4 роки тому +36

    2:28 you forgot that both can reflect projectiles with F-Smash. When they reflect projectiles, the damage increases, although Ness makes the projectile stronger than Lucas does.

  • @mishmesh4114
    @mishmesh4114 4 роки тому +1

    Also you are one of my favorite channels. You just so good at that

  • @KiTheMC
    @KiTheMC 4 роки тому +62

    These two have little in common. They are completely different characters unlike Marth and Roy.

    • @mythoughtsexactly2145
      @mythoughtsexactly2145 4 роки тому +3

      I think it's because visually they do look kinda the same although yeah Roy is too similar to Marth than Lucas is to Ness

    • @Trybel
      @Trybel 4 роки тому +14

      Kiz Epic Journey Marth and Roy are very, very different characters Marth relies on controlling space and Roy is rushdown.

    • @k-leb4671
      @k-leb4671 3 роки тому +10

      They have the same bodies essentially and both rely on PSI, which is why they're so comparable. They're pretty different but it's not that hard to compare them.
      It is amazing though how they borrow almost no animations between each other now.

    • @k-leb4671
      @k-leb4671 3 роки тому +1

      @@Trybel Not different enough.

    • @bguy6778
      @bguy6778 3 роки тому +1

      K-leb baby

  • @cowcat8124
    @cowcat8124 4 роки тому +15

    I think you should've mentioned that they have the longest traveling airdodges in the game

    • @TotPocket
      @TotPocket Рік тому

      I used an easier dodging spirit on Ness once, and it looked like another double jump 😆

  • @alexanderbutterfield5510
    @alexanderbutterfield5510 3 роки тому +4

    Lucas PK Fire looks like hes doing a Kamehameha.

  • @nessqwuik5201
    @nessqwuik5201 4 роки тому +3

    simple, one has a nightmare life and one has a sad life

  • @cameronguzman-keller477
    @cameronguzman-keller477 4 роки тому +4

    I’m not sure about Ness, but Lucas’ forward smash also reflects projectiles, but you gotta hit it at the right time. Really fun to use, and I love the little clubbing sound it makes when he hits someone with the stick lol

  • @_antisocialmedia6377
    @_antisocialmedia6377 3 роки тому +4

    "Now let's talk about their smash attacks"
    *Starts Playing Smashing Song of Praise*
    You Mother-

    • @Command.
      @Command. 3 роки тому

      Lucas crying in the corner because you said mother

  • @ImmaFarmerInMalaysia
    @ImmaFarmerInMalaysia 4 роки тому +40

    You mained Ness in Melee? God rest your soul...

    • @windy1335
      @windy1335 3 роки тому

      Yeah he was trash in that game

    • @spongeman3090
      @spongeman3090 3 роки тому +2

      He didn't even main the PK Boys. He mained a PK BOI.

    • @iamdamosuzuki_
      @iamdamosuzuki_ 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah that’s why, while I love Meelee, I like the original Smash and Ultimate better. I feel like they did a fantastic job at recapturing just how devastating his attacks were in the first game while vastly improving his overall mobility.

  • @yourboy9236
    @yourboy9236 4 роки тому +7

    Bro can't believe you didn't talk about Lucas having 3 kill throws.

  • @jmbkr4276
    @jmbkr4276 3 роки тому +19

    Well first of all, Ness has a bat
    Lucas has a very powerful stick

    • @zer0gamer796
      @zer0gamer796 6 місяців тому

      Like the games, ness equips bats while lucas uses sticks (he can equip 2 bats found near the end of the game)

  • @pops1680
    @pops1680 4 роки тому +25

    Lucas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other super smash bros ultimate characters

    • @CJSimpleton
      @CJSimpleton 4 роки тому +10

      Lucas main, no shame

    • @pops1680
      @pops1680 4 роки тому +5

      Cade-O Potato He’s my main (also Sonic)

    • @smashssf2_ssbc15
      @smashssf2_ssbc15 4 роки тому +8

      Lucas is underrated as hell, he deserves better

    • @jamjam1019
      @jamjam1019 3 роки тому +1

      SMASH ssf2_ssbc yeah nobody plays him and that sucks

  • @thevioletbee5879
    @thevioletbee5879 3 роки тому +2

    "This isn't the type of move you'd want to spam."
    *My casual ass shuffles away*

  • @chilly2126
    @chilly2126 4 роки тому +5

    5:15 at around say 30 on ridley lucas can combo 4 up airs into each other for 50 percent. You really underrated this move

    • @smashssf2_ssbc15
      @smashssf2_ssbc15 4 роки тому +4

      Yeah it's a really fun move

    • @chilly2126
      @chilly2126 4 роки тому +1

      It's my favorite move when I go lucas

    • @smashssf2_ssbc15
      @smashssf2_ssbc15 4 роки тому +1

      @@chilly2126 I love using Fair and Nair

    • @chilly2126
      @chilly2126 4 роки тому +3

      @@smashssf2_ssbc15 I like bair more than nair. Nair just feels like it has such low hit stun and I can't combo with it

    • @smashssf2_ssbc15
      @smashssf2_ssbc15 4 роки тому +1

      @@chilly2126 I mean...you can combo into fair or bair after the double jump, at lower percents it combo into itself, it all depends on where the opponent will be.
      Also Nair is a ok move OoS

  • @pibi_333
    @pibi_333 4 роки тому +3

    Alex.EXE: Their dash attacks
    Captions: tHeIr *-* AtTaCkS

  • @jackfakename4851
    @jackfakename4851 Рік тому +5

    The difference is that Ness has a Mom.

    • @BruoBrno
      @BruoBrno Місяць тому +1

      💀💀💀💀💀

    • @seibetsu
      @seibetsu Місяць тому

      Lucas has a present father

    • @jackfakename4851
      @jackfakename4851 Місяць тому

      @@seibetsu Oh yeah, the same father that abandoned him for most of his life to look for his presumed dead brother?

    • @seibetsu
      @seibetsu Місяць тому

      @@jackfakename4851 salty that Mother 3 is better

  • @prochi99
    @prochi99 Рік тому

    I rewatched this video 9 times now and i can’t stop i don’t know why LMAO

  • @AvatarMimsy
    @AvatarMimsy Рік тому +1

    I love the thumbnail of this video!

  • @GigaMan91
    @GigaMan91 4 роки тому +3

    I did not know that up and down mechanic with Lucas's final smash.

  • @DS3Enjoyer
    @DS3Enjoyer 4 роки тому +14

    I like lucas personally. Also another difference is using Pk fire in the air. Ness' will go diagonally downward, while lucas' stays horizontal

  • @scarffoxandfriends9401
    @scarffoxandfriends9401 4 роки тому +18

    I play Ness more, but I've always have. I still play Lucas a lot though. One thing is I believe they gutted Lucas' down throw in this game. It sucks that in a game where they buffed all of the other characters burrowing moves, Lucas was the only one who got his severely nerfed.

    • @hecetewest5411
      @hecetewest5411 4 роки тому

      ScarfFox and Friends his F, B and Up throws are all kill throws. Down isn’t a big deal.

    • @scarffoxandfriends9401
      @scarffoxandfriends9401 4 роки тому

      @@hecetewest5411 I rather have a single kill throw and another Throw that helps get you to kill percentage than 3 kill throws.

  • @Lolitsme77
    @Lolitsme77 4 роки тому +17

    Ness’s PK fire slopes downward when fired from the ground, and I don’t know quite how to phrase it, but the trajectory of ness and lucas feels different depending on the angle you hit them with pk thunder. I haven’t played either of the mother series characters much, but it might just be the speed at which pk thunder flies which confuses me when i play ness or lucas.

    • @sigurdtheblue
      @sigurdtheblue 2 роки тому +1

      I think PK Thunder by itself always hits the same way. Ness will hit you mostly upward, but also inward. Lucas will hit you away from stage, but it is also confusing with all of the tail hits.

  • @Nozid2613
    @Nozid2613 4 роки тому +11

    PK Thunder (Lucas) has more angles when recovering and Lucas can recover from almost anywhere.
    It’s crazy how keep I can go below stage and still make ledge.

  • @PiereLovesRed7316
    @PiereLovesRed7316 2 роки тому +4

    Simple Ness has a coward dog
    Lucas has a dog THAT TRAVELS TO SAVE THE WORLD.

  • @jomariong7882
    @jomariong7882 10 місяців тому

    There’s a lot of really cool movement tech you can do, I know specifically with Ness you can do some double jump cancels with magnet or PK Fire to change trajectory, and Magnet is also good to stall for a second to mess up someone’s timing. You can also bounce yourself off the side of the stage with a PK Thunder 2 to do another PK Thunder as a recovery mixup

  • @KenKaizenn
    @KenKaizenn Рік тому +2

    “Lucas is just Ness without the drip” -my homie

  • @watermelone6365
    @watermelone6365 4 роки тому +4

    I laugh at those who think Ness and Lucas are the exact same. (Mostly my friends though)

  • @ericochs1664
    @ericochs1664 3 роки тому +3

    I've been playing Lucas more than Ness lately and I've discovered that sourspot combos are very useful

  • @lucasskotiniotis1360
    @lucasskotiniotis1360 3 роки тому

    I think you understated just how much farther Lucas's recovery goes. Lucas's PK Thunder rocket goes almost twice as far, while he also has the option to recover using his tether (the rope snake), which has good range. Also this is a bit more advanced so I'm not surprised you have not talked about it, however Lucas has a character specific tech with his Zair called Double Jump Cancelled Zair (DJCZ). This can be used for combos and confirms and makes his combo game quite a bit better than Ness's. Overall good video which went over the basics.

  • @leonigama5597
    @leonigama5597 Місяць тому

    good job about What's the Difference between Characters with Ness and Lucas from Super Smash Bros Ultimate 2018

  • @styxnstones98
    @styxnstones98 4 роки тому +48

    I only play lucas cause blondes have more fun.

  • @JAMCAKESJAMCAKES
    @JAMCAKESJAMCAKES 4 роки тому +3

    Sorry for pointing out this tiny detail, but Lucas's final smash i think has more attacks than ness, but does less damage and travels faster.

  • @salu2368
    @salu2368 3 роки тому +1

    It's funny to look at Lucas while he's doing Pk Fire and think he's about to do a Kamehameha :v

  • @zachspool
    @zachspool Рік тому +1

    Ness was a character I used to never play back in N64 and Melee days but he is now my main. Oh how the turntables

  • @trashcant1522
    @trashcant1522 4 роки тому +3

    Starstorm funfact: Ness always comes out the center of the map while lucas's is based above him

  • @treelet8934
    @treelet8934 4 роки тому +10

    Lucas has my favorite spike which is his back air

    • @HoleeCarolee
      @HoleeCarolee 4 роки тому

      My favorite spike is king dedede’s up-b cuz it kills everyone at 0%

    • @treelet8934
      @treelet8934 4 роки тому

      To me the back air just looks cool and is fun to pull off with his magnets wind hit box at high percents

    • @HoleeCarolee
      @HoleeCarolee 4 роки тому

      Hew Fanshawe
      And here I am wondering who the fuck asked

    • @treelet8934
      @treelet8934 4 роки тому

      @@feched8445 Boom roasted

  • @pexelihl1588
    @pexelihl1588 4 роки тому

    Do villager and Isabelle next! By the good video. They're always pretty nice to watch :)

  • @boko_6471
    @boko_6471 2 роки тому +2

    Haven't played ultimate for a few months, and just picked up Lucas. Holy shit is this character fun.

  • @general.kenobi
    @general.kenobi 4 роки тому +22

    Ness has a family. Lucas does not.

    • @psionics321
      @psionics321 4 роки тому +13

      Lucas does lmao. Albeit most of the members aren't blood related to him.

    • @smashfan2175
      @smashfan2175 4 роки тому

      Yeah

    • @abcaretheonlylettersiknow7834
      @abcaretheonlylettersiknow7834 4 роки тому +2

      He still had his father and his grandpa until the end of the game.

    • @ShiyugaYomei
      @ShiyugaYomei 4 роки тому

      @@abcaretheonlylettersiknow7834 Grandpa? I thought they were Duster's dad.

    • @abcaretheonlylettersiknow7834
      @abcaretheonlylettersiknow7834 4 роки тому +1

      @@ShiyugaYomei I'm pretty sure you're thinking about Wess The father of Duster. Alec is the father of Hinawa so that makes Lucas his grandson.

  • @killerqueen689
    @killerqueen689 3 роки тому +3

    I just noticed that Lucas has eyebrows and ness doesn’t

  • @secretblue0290
    @secretblue0290 2 роки тому

    Omg i just realized that the background during lucas' pk starstorm is the battle background during the masked man fight

  • @benjaminrojas6827
    @benjaminrojas6827 4 роки тому +1

    Nice video!... but Lucas's voice in 5:44 xd

  • @dreamin1147
    @dreamin1147 4 роки тому +5

    It’s kinda simple aerials are different, Thunder for Ness doesn't hit multiple times, Fire for Lucas knows you back and pushes Lucas if used in air (Little) Moves are different and B-Moves.
    Edit: Oh yeah sorry about Smash attacks and Tilt my bad.

  • @claus4670
    @claus4670 4 роки тому +5

    I've become a dead meme for the smash bros and undertale fandom, and Lucas has become a dead meme for the Mother 3 fandom. Any questions?

    • @yourturn1942
      @yourturn1942 3 роки тому

      Hey if the meme is dead its not here anymore

  • @purpleboy0651
    @purpleboy0651 4 роки тому +1

    Finally, a difference video between Ness and Lucas!

  • @CJSimpleton
    @CJSimpleton 4 роки тому +1

    Yay it’s here

  • @calink8964
    @calink8964 4 роки тому +3

    maybe forgot to say that both fsmash reflect proyectiles

  • @luda_storm
    @luda_storm 4 роки тому +13

    Resume:
    Lucas need more skill than just using side B

  • @pactete
    @pactete 3 роки тому +2

    If you're in a giant stage and use Ness' Final Smash It will appear in the middle of the stage but Lucas' Final Smash will appear where Lucas is standing.

  • @sapphirewolf8558
    @sapphirewolf8558 4 роки тому +2

    This Is a Great Video, Btw do Pit and Dark Pit. PLS I want to see the difference between them

    • @rubberduckie9885
      @rubberduckie9885 4 роки тому +1

      I hope to not burst your bubble but there are only 2 main differences between the two, which wouldn't make for an interesting video. Pit's arrows are weaker but are easier to curve, making better to gimp, while Dark Pit's do more damage but are harder to curve. Pit's side B sends upwards making it more reliable to KO anywhere, but Dark Pit's side B sends horizontal, making it KO easier at ledge.

  • @kingbbqchicken
    @kingbbqchicken 4 роки тому +9

    Lucas's nair can combo into a lot of his moves

    • @astridvigil8158
      @astridvigil8158 4 роки тому +1

      At low percentage yes but high no I would use it for a kill move I would combo with bait or dair.

  • @Bob-wc8rl
    @Bob-wc8rl 4 роки тому +4

    Lucas get longer by pk fire in the air

  • @PinSonNW
    @PinSonNW 5 днів тому

    "Ness's back throw is pretty good. "
    UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY

  • @jechumanzanares3542
    @jechumanzanares3542 Рік тому +1

    Me and my late brother Mained ness and Lucas and the differences between them for us was our strongest advantage.We we’re so in sync it was nuts.

  • @ger_idk
    @ger_idk 4 роки тому +4

    Lucas mains
    👇🏻

  • @jelenaokadar1787
    @jelenaokadar1787 4 роки тому +5

    What’s the difference between fox 🦊 and Falco 🐦?

    • @gianlucaeyre6261
      @gianlucaeyre6261 4 роки тому

      Falco has a high jump
      And fox is alot faster

    • @doublecrate2490
      @doublecrate2490 4 роки тому

      @@gianlucaeyre6261 and fox has the fastest falling speed
      plus other attacks (specials, aireals, tilts and jab, throws too)

    • @gianlucaeyre6261
      @gianlucaeyre6261 4 роки тому

      @@doublecrate2490 ya I'm just to lazy to talk about attacks

    • @Spingerex
      @Spingerex 4 роки тому

      Fox has speed.
      Falco has power.

  • @MikiBankai
    @MikiBankai 4 роки тому

    Hey that was a good explanation from you thanks a lot. I thought Lucas Pk Fire is actually Wolfs laser

  • @Frisk_Khairi
    @Frisk_Khairi 4 роки тому +2

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO I use both ness and Lucas I love them so much and no I’m not one of those ness that will spam fire I suck at the game but I’m way better then that

  • @MutetheCity
    @MutetheCity 4 роки тому +11

    Ness has the strongest back throw in the game, while Lucas has the strongest forward throw.

    • @abitofananimator5716
      @abitofananimator5716 4 роки тому +5

      MutetheCity Lucas’s Up Throw is also one of the best in the game, and his backthrow is a pretty decent one

    • @CinnamintSsb
      @CinnamintSsb 4 роки тому

      incineroar's back throw is the strongest

    • @MutetheCity
      @MutetheCity 4 роки тому +3

      @@CinnamintSsb As far as damage, but Ness' still wins in knockback. I should've specified.

    • @Edgeperor
      @Edgeperor 4 роки тому +2

      Cinnamint Incineroar has better base knockback, but really low knockback growth, so unless you corner yourself or read and punish a roll, you probably won’t kill as much as with Ness

    • @TinkC43
      @TinkC43 3 роки тому

      What? Lucas‘s forward is definitely not the strongest

  • @dunkwaffle4895
    @dunkwaffle4895 4 роки тому +4

    This is an easy one

  • @gregspencer3225
    @gregspencer3225 4 роки тому

    Huh! Definitely thought these two were more similar than they actually are, interesting!

  • @Duffenshmoogle
    @Duffenshmoogle 4 роки тому +2

    lucas's landing up air is a good combo tool