1997 Mr Olympia - Comprehensive Analysis (video + picture comparisons)
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2018
- Reviewing the 1997 Olympia using both pictures and prejudging video footage. Did Nasser El Sonbaty get robbed? Or did a diminished Dorian Yates do enough to seal the deal?
Dorian Yates speaking on his injuries:
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Nasser RIP champ! You deserved to be Mr. O
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His 8 pack of abdominals and best standing relaxed pose alone deserved the Mr. Olympia title. Nasser is the bodybuilder who achieved the perfect balance ever of Mass and aesthetic lines. His legs could have been a bit longer..but other than that, he was a mass monster with fantastic lines.
I'm sorry but Nasser did not deserve this. Dorian won because he was the best up there that night. Was he at his all-time best? No but he was still superior to everybody on stage just like Kevin levrone and flex Wheeler said Dorian was so dominant from the front lat spread the rear backlat spread the side tricep. These were poses that he just could not be beat on anything where his back was showing it was lights out. Nobody could touch him even in '97. He was still so superior to everybody else. As far as that dry hard granite look. I'm sorry I'm not even sure NASser should have finished second
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr Internet troll
Rip Nassir, but Olympias are won from the back, and Dorian also took the side tricep, ab and thigh, and front lat spread, not a robbery, Dorian won fair and square
Nasser clearly got robbed
PumpChasers you right man
I think Yates is overrated.
PussyChasers I love your channel.
Oh sorry I mean PumpChasers (damn autocorrection)
@@timcotter8178 until I saw high quality footage of his conditioning I agreed that he was overrated, now I at least see that he was pretty superior in a few ways
@@timcotter8178 His conditioning was not though or his back, them 2 things got him the win eatch time. But yates was dwindling at this point.
Im a Dorian fan and he shouldn't have won this one.
He should've it is not all biceps
Just Another Guy I agree he won because of the size and freak factor his conditioning was over rated and Nassir was better and a complete BB. Dorian had flaws and he exposed more of his weaknesses but everyone ignores that.
Yeah..his physique in 1997 was not worth Olympia winning.. Nasser got royally screwed.. He is the clear winner...
Faizal Syed I couldn’t agree more and no disrespect to Dorian he was pretty good in his day but let’s be real his physique was ass that year compared to others. Some Dorian fans will say he won just because they’re fans but real fans of BB know bull shit when they see it. Like or dislike my comment I could care less Nassir got robbed.
Same. Nasir definitely was the the uncrowded Mr o. Yates got a few questionable wins.. Especially in the torn bicep days
Shawn Ray was penalized for not having a bloated midsection.
Way too aesthetic to win any poses. Bubble guts get the most points.
LMAO!
@@FreedomBob 1 point per bubble!
too small
@@khylgregory4790 too small gut
The front double biceps - it´s hurting me
I think the show shouldn't be determined by who wins the most mandatory poses because that person could have barely won those poses, but lost the other poses by a longshot.
byarish I’ve been saying that instead of the judges giving a straight first through last for each competitor and instead ranking each competitor for every mandatory pose for this very reason. Currently guys only get compared to other guys in the same callout, so you are correct that when someone loses by a longshot they aren’t penalized. But with this proposal to rank each mandatory pose, a guy who wins 7 poses but comes in 10th in his worst pose (17 points) would lose to someone who took 2nd in every pose (16 points). That can’t happen with the current system.
that's not how it works in a lineup, Nasser could easily win 3 poses against Yates but also lose all of those poses to the next few guys, which takes him down a peg. Yates could lose those 3 poses against Nasser but beat some other guys in those same poses. That's how a lineup works, it's not a "1v1" contest like on youtube that we are accustomed to.
In the end it evens out, Yates won 5 poses in 1997 which even if he got absolute sh%t on by Nasser in the remaining 2, Nasser himself got sh%t on in those poses. Think abs and thighs, Nasser may win it against Yates yet he loses it pretty convincingly to Levrone and Ray. Or the side chest to Levrone. Or the back poses to Ray.
Nasser himself got schooled from the back, if you think he narrowly lost the back poses then you're in denial
@@dj_m1999good comment
@@dj_m1999 Them Give The First Place To Someone Else Other Than Dorian with No Arms Lmao..😂😂😂😂😂
@@SureBone99 Stupid Comment*
Dorian is the Tyrannosaurus of bodybuilding. His tiny arms make the rest of his body look bigger
more like the rest of his body made his arms look tiny. up to 95 his arms were huge
@@levanmuradashvili2769 lmao huge my ass, he had shitty arms is whole entire career
@@naturalbreed3745 arms mean shit compared to back and leg. that's why they couldn't beat Dorian
@@naturalbreed3745 23 inches in competition do you think few?
Yordanis Isla they were not close to 23 inches lmao
This may be the best video about 1997 Mr.O on YT. (Luimarco did a great one too)
I really appreciate your concluding thoughts. It really shouldn't matter who wins the most mandatory poses. It should also matter how the overall physique is presented. Having torn and or injured body parts by definition cant be the best physique on that stage. And I can't believe we have to even make that point.
At one time that would've been enough to keep you from winning the show. It goes to show how much standards have fallen.
Anabolic Nurse tell that to Dorian (visibly torn biceps for 4 of his 6 wins) and Ronnie (visibly torn rear left Lat for all 8 victories)...
The front double biceps is the most important pose for any bodybuilder, period. The FDB is the pose any person thinks of when they think of bodybuilding, and if you can’t nail it, you probably shouldn’t be Mr. Olympia.
Moe's Truth
Tell that to Phil Heath, Dorian Yates & Jay Cutler...
Front double is most important for showcasing symmetry, shape, and proportions. Back double is more telling for raw muscularity and conditioning.
Tomn8er I don’t even think that’s the truth, it just so happens that who ever wins Mr. Olympia also has the best back. It’s kinda like a myth that came into life. Phil, Ronnie, Dorian, and Haney were strong from the back, but also strong from the front and the back. If you took a bodybuilding contest and didn’t judge the two back poses, every result would be the same.
@@Tomn8er yeah, it's one of them poses that you can't hide any weakness, it shows what you need more work on and shows youre strengths. It's the best pose I think aswell for seeing what you have gained.
Nasser definitely robbed. You shouldn't win with no arms and a bloated midsection. Period.
why should arms be so important?according to my knowledge they are only about 15 % of the total bodyweight of a bodybuilder, at least according to dexa scans
but arnold, haney , zane could win with no legs?which are 45 % of body mass, if not more?hmmmm
@@TheLusianPopa Lmao, saying that about proper V taper legs that compliment the physique is stupid. Also, when the hell did Haney have no legs I have heard that about Arnold and Zane but not him. (I disagree with all 3) Also even if someone has subpar arms, like Cbum they can still look good in a pose because of a great v taper and shape. Dorian has neither. Arms are an attention grabber, and if you don't have them, than you sure as hell better have something else from the front to look good.
@@TheLusianPopa body-mass or muscle-mass?
@@bestgirl2500 have you ever looked at Haney?his legs are no better than Arnolds and his prime was nearly 2 decades later, how pathetic is that?Zane's legs were atrocious imo even for that era.
Dorian didnt have the best V-Taper but somehow he owned everybody in the front and back lat spread, two poses that are about taper and at width...so nice try
cbum makes dorian look like phil heath, seriously his arms are seriously undersized.
Americans in general have this fascination with arms, but arms should not be overpowering like in flex wheeler or phil heath or kevin levrone IMO.It might be cool look in the gym but not on a pro stage.
@@YouRube. body mass, muscle mass they might be 20 % , still a small amount
I definitely agree Dorian's front double bicep was one of the worst.
Tim Cotter no. It was the actual worse! Whose was worse?!
I was never a huge Nassar fan so this never seemed like a big injustice against him personally. It felt more like a big injustice against the field and the sport. Bodybuilding deserved a better representative in 1997.
As I was watching the video I kept mourning the fact that Paul Dillett could never get it all together. That would have been impressive.
goldburnm yes! Like 81
"I was never a huge Nassar fan so this never seemed like a big injustice against him personally." Are you crazy or narcissistic? You can't put someone at first place and someone at last place because you're not a fan. That just shows how biased you're. What you should look is who is the most completed bodybuilder, not who you're a fan of.
I agree about Paul Dillet. His asthma and posing ruined his career. He could've been a constant top 3 threat.
@@user-bv8wr3vw4x Shut Up.......
Ronnie got 9th! Next year first! This exemplifies how poor the judging was at this show
Ronnie did better and looked better in 1996 than he did in 1997.
Ronnie was way off this year, he had competed in a ton of shows in 96 and 97 and was burnt out, tired....and just off
could he have been in say 7th , ahead of priest and cormier?probably but not higher
Nasser uncrowned Mr O 1997
Pure politics , Nasser was screwed over.
Dorian is probably my all time favorite, however no matter how many times that I view this footage and others I still come back to Nasser taking this contest. Kevin absolutely should have been in there.
if shawn ray got some more height on him,
he will be unbeatable
it is not necessary, Benaziza had defeated Dorian with 5 feet 2 inch height, Olympia owner Joe Weider has bussiness of drugs and he needed mass monsters to sell his drugs. Also he got punished for false advertisement claims about his drugs. Olympia is bussiness
Spot on again with your judgement. If I was Yates I'd give up my Sandow and posthumously award it to Nasser!
Yes!! I have been waiting for this video
Clearly the best breakdown of Dorian vs Nasser hands down on all of UA-cam!
You are so much more knowledgeable than Nick of Nick's strength and power. Your level of detailed analysis destroys Nick's superficial and almost non-existent ability to analyze a bodybuilders physique. You really deserve more subs and view than you have. I hope your channel keeps growing. Your videos are top quality.
Thank you sir appreciate it
I definitely appreciate both channels. You don’t have to knock one to praise the other one. Nick has been grinding out videos for years now, and is one of the few honest people on UA-cam. They each have their own niche, no need to shit on Nick. Where’s your class?
Nasser should have won. bodybuilding judging is so inconsistent, I think it really discourages the fans
Nasser had him definitively.
Nasser definitely had him beat!
Great video and analysis as always. You were once again as objective as it was possible. And that case you've made in the end about politics, Fux and Coleman...so true.
However I have one thing to notice and that is Nasser's lower body conditioning from the back. I think he had an excellent hamstring, incredibly huge and it showed adequate amount of detail.
Dorian was great from the back and I give him the general conditioning over Nasser, but his flow, shape and incredible flaws all around made him having a way worse package than the poor old Professor. I always thought that Nasser was one of the most aesthetic mass monsters, even pretty aesthetic regardless of weight.
And finally: regardless of eras and preferences, the front double bicep IS the most important, iconic and defining pose in bodybuilding, no matter whether you are an amateur, pro, in the 60s, late 90s or 2010s. Every pro bodybuilder should have at least a decent front double, and everyone who has ever flexed in front of the mirror or on the beach: it was a front double 95% of the time! You just can't crown a guy whose worst pose is that.
Shows are won from the back...but that is because most pros are decent from the front so you have to make a difference from the rear.
Yeah Nasser did have well-conditioned hamstrings, maybe even better than Yates'. And LOL at that last sentence - so true!
nice video Tom, wish you could upload more frequently even if they aren't 10+ minutes long.
Yes, you nailed it! Nasser first any way you slice it. Yates second at best.
Olympias are won from the back, and Dorian also took the side tricep, ab and thigh, and front lat spread, not a robbery, Dorian won fair and square
@@Ledgic-TM if Dorian was an unknown in 97 there is no way he would have won. Too many glaring flaws - a Mr Olympia should look like a Mr Olympia, not a collection good and bad body parts.
@@thebigpicture2032 going pose for pose, Dorian either won 5-2 or 4-3
@@Ledgic-TM there should not be a Mr Olympia with missing body parts, bubblegut, gyno etc. Ever! Not saying Dorian had gyno. Also the pose for pose comparison doesn’t really work. Internet judges hold it up as the gold standard because it’s all we have decades later but those who were there said Nasser should have won.
@@thebigpicture2032 pose for pose Dorian won, it’s honestly not an argument
Hell yeah man, dope ass content a show always! I would love to see your opinion on the 1996 mr Olympia. When your top 6 is dorian, ray, Nasser, dillet, levrone, and wheeler, you know that's a damn good line up
Levrone was very underwhelming at the 1996. Mr. O. He was extremely flat and depleted, compared to his 1996 Arnold Classic physique from earlier in the year where he weighed 20 pounds more. He definitely made up for it in 1997 and 1998, coming in at over 250 pounds both years.
@@Danimal77 Completely agree. But still, I'm just talking about it based off of line up alone.
One of your best videos. So many people just give a default win to Dorian on the front lat spread without taking a more in depth look. But the FLS is about as much about the lats as the back double bicep is about the biceps. It’s still important, but the chest and shoulders probably play a bigger role in creating that look of width and thickness. And love how you brought up Ronnie and Jean-Pierre Fux getting screwed in the judging. How does one guy who is all back get 1st when another who is all back get 9th?
Great in depth vid Tomn8er. I wasn't into BB in 97 but this shed a ton of light on complaints I've heard out the O placing that yr. gotta admit the IFBB did knock Ronnie when he showed up in 2006 with major atrophy in his left side. Heck he shouldn't have even placed 2nd in 06 or 4 in 07! For a huge G.O.A.T. Coleman fan those 2 yr placing for him were gifted. ✌️
Dillet's posing....... so bad
Very good video. I absolutely agree.
Sometimes we get too stuck on looking at individual parts and conditioning and stuff for a pose and struggle to pick one.. but then you remind yourself to step back and just ask "who overall just looks better in this pose?" and then it's often pretty damn obvious... that was the case for Nasser here.
I agree that someone who just overall looks like Dorian there, shouldn't place high. You can't skate by with a bad looking body overall, just because technically the criteria allows for it lol. That's terrible. They gotta start looking at the overall picture a bit more. If a guy has a giant bloated gut... like come on.. the Olympia champ should at least look good overall. And not win because technically the criteria still allows them to.
But even with the criteria the way it was/is.. he still shouldn't have won.. it still doesn't make sense.
front double biceps.. Dorian: ops, i forgot my arms at home.. judges: don't worry, we will give the title the same since that's how this show works lol
*OFF TOPIC*
12:43 damn Jean Pier Fux gut looked terrific standing there on the back.
I like what you said and I agree! No one with such glaring flaws should be winning the biggest bodybuilding show in the world no matter how many poses he wins! In 1994 on, he should have been competing in the handicap Olympia and then winning would be justifiable.
Fux beat Yates at his own game
@Nicholas Holland Have you ever heard Fux talk about why he had these conditioning issues during his prime years? He did a really good interview about a year ago with Dave Palumbo on RxMuscle and he talked all about it. He blames it on the fact that he cut his sodium WAY too early. Like a week out..which will do it. That's why he would look like an absolute monster in his photo shoots a day or two after..or like a week out from the show. Made sense to me. He was 'taught' to do this when he was starting as a teenager by a guy in either Germany or Switzerland... when he found out that he was doing it wrong, he was in such a habit of doing it, he kept repeating it year after year. He had SO much potential. It sucks that he couldn't break that habit. He should have enlisted the help of 'The Chad...as Nichols was working with guys in the mid 90's.
rest in peace Nasser EL Sonbaty we still love you and you are the real champion Mr olympia and the first competitor in bodybuilding ...... simply the best 😎
Very well spoken breakdown
Dorian is a great,but in 97 he was in bad condition.
Nasser get robed definitely...
Merry Christmas from Ireland to you and all your family, 🎄 🎄 🎄.
1:44 something we don’t see on the stage anymore. Calves!..
Another thing here - put the top 10 up on stage. Rear lat spread - Dorian might be first & Nasser 3/4. Front double - Nasser would probably be 1/2 & Dorian 9/10. Dorian’s weak poses here were so weak that he just couldn’t place first.
Bro, chose this video over nicks, well done
Totally agree! No one should win with torn muscles and a huge bloated midsection. I dont care how great your back is, the body isnt 90% back. Its just a muscle group. I'd put yates at best at 4/5. At least have nasser, shawn and levrone on top with possibly lee
Dorian takes side Tricep, the back shots, and the front lat spread. How does he lose this show? Ronnie’s ab and thigh was an awful pose despite his massive thighs. Yates front double was awful after 93’ despite his lats and hard quads. If he takes 4 of the 7 mandatory poses and the side chest and AB’s and thigh are close, the only pose that’s lights out is Nassers front double. Dorian wins this show and the judges got it right. Keep calling this man an uncrowned Nr Olympia, he had plenty of years after this to win and he never placed in the top 2 again. Fake champion that never was
Excellent analysis, job well done! As much as I love Dorian, its highly debatable to say the least, whether he earned his victory in 1997. What's even more ridiculous is the fact that he won that year with perfect scores from the judges, which is utter BS.
Yes. A perfect score does not signify perfection however. Just means that the majority of the judges thought Dorian was the best. I've criticized the stupidity of this judging system in a number of other videos before.
6:50 in the back left, the monster Jean Pierre Fux!! My fav hands down!!
Great take
7:03 Nasser clearly got robbed!
RIP Nasser El Sonbaty Μr Olympia 1997.Great and huge guy!!!
I wished that nasser got mr.o because he absolutely deserved but everything was gone . Rest in peace professor . you were the real champ .
I rarely agree with everything you say, but 100% agreed on this one.
Dillet looks like two different people from the front and back. He's mind blowing from the front.
Lee Priest and Shawn Ray the giant killers..... And even after retired they still look good....💪💪
Watching Paul Dillett is like watching a blind 90year old driving a Ferrari on a sunday afternoon.
Amen 🙏 bro. Common senses when did it go out of style? Tom buddy we need you back bro we miss u
1. Sonbati 🏆
2. Dillet
3. Ray
4. Priest
5. Levrone
6. Dorian
There is no way in hell Dorian should have won this show.
I miss the Arnold intro. :(
George Blazhev I don’t
There are 7 mandatory poses. Dorian won the two back poses, side triceps. Thats 3. The abs and thighs and front lat spread were close. So it was not a robbery. Thats what Dorian said on Fouad’s podcast recently
Yeah it depends how exactly they judge them. If they just count poses and not margin of victory per pose, then you could make an argument for Yates. His conditioning was still the best and he masked his torn arm well in every shot except the FBD. But his symmetry and midsection were pretty awful at this show. He was too flawed to win IMO.
Tom he is hating on Dorian because he is from Europe.
@@proudmen1220 Proof of that statement? Sheesh
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Dorian Yates won fair according to judging criteria. But the judging criterias were not fair!
Without question, this is the best comment I've ever seen pertaining to this mr olympia
Exactly!!
Thats what Dorian said now on Fouad’s podcast. That he won according to judging criteria. He said He won the two back poses and side triceps. The front lat and abs and things were close. Thats out of 7 mandatory poses.
so it wasnt a robbery
Yates won..still alive...Nassar dead..he pushed too hard too fast.not a good role model..he dead.
@@warrendrew1664 That was just a co-insidence lol. Both took hughe level of gear!
Even as someone who massively respects Dorian and loves the guys attitude and outlook, he shouldn’t of won this one
If I was judging this competition I would have had Dorian Yates probably 5th or 6th this year. He had multiple torn muscles, a bloated stomach, and his conditioning didn't look as good a it used to. For Dorian to compete especially as a returning champ and giving him the victory on top of that is so so embarrassing and such a major offence to the sport of Bodybuilding as a whole. I'm sure that the audience members and Dorian's fellow competitors were very disappointed with the final outcome. Without a doubt Nasser El Sombaty deserved to win the 1997 Mr. Olympia plus Shawn, Levrone, and Lee Priest to beat Dorian. Instead what maybe should of happened is, the Olympia organization should have had Dorian Yates Guest posing at the 1997 Olympia and presenting the title of the 1997 Mr as crazy as that sounds. The 1997 Mr. Olympia belongs to Nasser El Sombaty.
Good work but I disagree about about Nasser rear lat spread. Dorians Christmas tree does not win the contest! You did a nice job!!! This was my fave era!!!! Great assessment! Great job of not holding back! By the way...How do you give Yates, someone with baby Biceps, the victory???
Dorian Yates is the least deserving multi Mr Olympia winner. I would argue the only show he legitimately won was 1995. IMO, the IFBB was looking to create more of a fan base outside of the US and Dorian was chosen as their poster boy.
Nice show, and I agree with . you NES got robbed. That front double biceps was devastating.
He definitely is a uncrowned champ 💪🏽Nasser 1997 Mr Olympia 🏆🥇
love dillet but man he simply cant pose
Did Nasser get robbed?
Everybody but Dorian Yates got robbed! The most disgracful Mr Olympia ever. Dorian is a legend but he deserved last place in 97.
Finally someone my Opinion.
Good video,call me mad but i'd give yates the win even with the bad front double bicep it just seems fitting man idk its like he had some obvious flaws that year but the way he managed to overcome it was purely impressive also watch his posing routine for that year its really good(P.S. nasser abused synthol and you can actually see it in his biceps in some of the poses)
Nasser got royally screwed... Holy shit.. Nasser should have been crowned in1997.. bodybuilding politics just sucks...
Is there a way the judges can be put through trial or executed?
I think Dorian and Ronnie is the top of bodybuilding, but this year Dorian should not win the title. But the "wow" factor is that Dorian even without arms can stand in the top 3...
8:18 bubble gut behind nasser
Shawn Ray should've won at least 3 olympias if they rewarded shape, proportions and aesthetics but he was a beast for being two time runner up in the first mass monsters era
hahahah you're a weirdo ..aren't you? Didn't deserve to win anything.
This is the most important, but worst part of the sport: judging
In 1994 quite a few people thought Shawn Ray won.
But, the defense for Dorian was that he was so much bigger and denser than Shawn, despite inferior symmetry and conditioning.
Ok, fair enough.
Fast forward to this, and we have Nasser who was at least as big as Dorian, but with superior conditioning. Dorian was even more shopworn here, with more injuries and a big gut.
STILL won.
People get the impression that if Dorian showed up with only one arm and fat rolls, the IFBB would somehow find a way to place him first.
Not hating on Dorian but come on, this was a joke.
I don't know why he retired; based off 1997 he could have been champ for another 6 years, that's how protected he was.
Dorian was bigger with better condition than Shawn.
Nasser had better condition?
He was soft and full of synthol.
Dorian wins at least 4 poses.
How many Ronnie should won?
He had a gyno and a gut for at least 7 years
Dorian also held his arms way out to the sides to give a wider appearance. Especially in the relaxed poses. Nassir should have done the same.
Dorian in 1993 set a new standard for ripped proportionate size. In 1997?? He retired after this contest, which pretty much says it all. He knew it was a lucky win, and got out before his record was tarnished. Unbeatable at his best, but that was 1 year only. In 1994 he tore his left bicep, and although he looked pretty good in 1995 and 1996, he then tore his left bicep in 1997 and that was the end.
Opps. I meant to say he tore his left TRICEP in 1997.
His nickname is pretty relevant here since his body is a shadow of his former self
I agree completely.
Nasser appears to be the clear winner when we look at photos and screen shots from video. Perhaps Dorian seemed superior to the judges because compared to Nasser, Dorians hits poses sooner and holds them longer. Dorian might look his best in the shot for 10 seconds whereas Nasser hits it only for a few seconds. (Similar to how Big Ramy is often the first to hit poses and holds them the longest.)
Nasser should of won
Me personally, 1980, 1981, and 2007 don’t even COMPARE to 1997 in terms of Olympia robberies. I believe you can easily argue in favour of Arnold Franco and Jay, but even with 1993 Dorian being my favourite Olympia physique of all time, Nasser won that show decisively
Yates did not deserve to win with his injuries. To bad for all the hard work put in by the other bodybuilders.
From the HD comparisons Dorian wins the entire backside and I thought his front legs/quads were better along with his delts and Epic lats to give him the victory. Nasser has better arms, shoulders and midsection that's it! Chest and forearms are equal
Nasser was such a cool guy, very intelligent too! Its a shame he never got his Mr. Olympia title, he definitely should have won it....
Soft,full of synthol
@@proudmen1220Once again idiot, prove that Nasser had synthol in 97. You are becoming more and more stupid with each post
Imagine being called the best bodybuilder in the world with upper arms smaller than your forearms!
Or with a huge gut and none existing triceps (Ronnie)
@@proudmen1220 With 24 inch arms and winning 8 Olympias and more 1st place finishes than anyone in history and being the strongest Mr Olympia ever!
@Lateralus only glutes, biceps and gut.
@@proudmen1220 And 8 Olympias! Lol! NEXT!
There are better videos and pictures out there and clearly no one had a better conditioning that Dorian. The real reason I think he still won this contest. His muscles were so dense and clear nobody else came close. The reason for his blocky midsection is his amount of muscle he was carrying.
RIP Nasser, winner 97 Mr Olympia, for me thou
Nasser would have literally lived longer if he had won this show like he had deserved. Such a bloody shame.
Pretty good analysis.
I too have Yates winning the 2 back poses and side triceps and Nasser front double , abs & thigh and side chest with the FLS debatable.Maybe the judges gave it to Yates because it was his signature pose?Nasser looked amazing in the FLS in 96 too and i'm positive he didn't beat Yates in it, yes Yates was better there but you get the idea.
Also glad you noticed how insane Dorian's back relaxed was, it was imo the best ever, better than Ronnies. Sorry Ron but oversized calves is better than oversized glutes, on a male bodybuilder at least.
However, like most analysis you forgot 2 poses that Dorian always beat Nasser in- the 2 relaxed from the side shots.
Dorian was way thicker and denser and had more depth in those 2 than Nasser always.He did explain how he won those 2 several times in recent interviews.
Nasser for a 270-280 lb man was notoriously thin and shallow in the torso from the side.He looked like he had no traps or lat thickness and his rib cage wasn't as good.
Now If Yates won the 2 relaxed shots besides the rear relaxed, that means he won the symmetry round 3-1 , yeah I know it sounds ludicrous but its the truth.
And with a 4-3 win ( or loss) in the Muscularity round, the 7 mandatories, if we do the math it's either 6-5 or 7-4 to Yates.
It might be shocking but its simple math.
However I think we shouldn't just look at the 11 poses, because the posing round and posedown were equally important in teh scoring back then. Remember Ronnie lost the symmetry and muscularity rounds to Cutler in 01 but won the posedown and posing round so he ultimately won ?that may very well be the case here.
I cant find the official scorecard for this show, but Yates won all rounds with perfect scores.He has a 5 in the posedown and a 5 in the posing round.
The scorecard is on the back of the DVD but i cant zoom it out to properly see the scores for the top 6 guys, sorry.
As for my opinion overall, Yates was at his worst by far here.Nasser was huge but not as conditioned in certain areas, but then again Yates wasn't as shredded as usual either-still better overall condition than Nasser.
It could have gone to Nasser, but I can totally see how Yates still barley won going through the poses.
Maybe the ifbb ad some bias against Nasser-being from Yugoslavia( how many Americans even heard of that little country), or considering he had been disqualified for diuretics the year before?just saying...
Here is what Peter McGough( who is sligthly biased towards Yates obviously) said in the report
Yates and El Sonbaty represented the battle for first place , and many observers were surprised to learn that Dorian took straight firsts throughout the contest. They thought Nasser had won or at least had forced a closer finish. The consternation can perhaps be explained by one simple fact : From the front , Nasser looks better than Dorian , and when the duo was not involved in comparisons and was just standing in line , Nasser was constantly presenting his best side , while Dorian wasn't .
Compounding this state of affairs was the reality that the reigning Mr Olympia didn't help his case by relaxing his midsection when he was back in line. His midsection , compared to Nasser's clear-cut eight-pack , couldn't help but incite unfavorable observation . The bottom line was that for the better part of two hours Nasser faces the audience showing his physique to its best advantage , while the reverse was true for Dorian.
When the two were compared , Nasser took the front double biceps and abs-and-thighs poses , but as soon as they turned to the side , Dorian's greater development , thickness and detail overshadowed Nasser , and when the champion's back came into play , it was all over. But Yates' overall superiority was only apparent in six comparisons ( three in the relaxed round , and three in the muscularity round ) that he and El Sonbaty were involved in , which accounted for about eight minutes of the two-hour prejudging. Head-to-toe , and when all the angles had been considered , Yates was the clear winner
Yeah I couldn't find even a single pic of them in the side relaxed. Was thinking about it last night though about how Dorian could've won by virtue of the side relaxed shots... and how stupid is it that the left and right quarter turns should count the same as two of the mandatories?? I mean it's essentially just one pose, because it's gonna be a pretty rare situation where a guy wins the left quarter turn but loses the right! It'd be like if they made you do the side chest or side tri from both sides and counted it twice. Makes no sense. IMO the quarter turns should be weighted only 50% as much, because they're not as important for bodybuilding. Make each relaxed shot count for .5, not 1. Anyway just goes to show the problem with judging a show this way.
Jesus. You wrote a book. Couldn't read past 1st paragraph
Great comment. But never the less i laughed so hard when i read this: "Peter McGough( who is sligthly biased towards Yates obviously)" That man is the greatest Yates fanboy ever lol.
@@bestcryptoearningsites7149 he was biased and he is a huge fan but in that report of 97 he only gave 3 mandatories to dorian( together with 3 relaxed poses), which is the truth
if he was so biased he would have said he won 5 poses but he didnt
@@TheLusianPopa Jokes aside. I must agree that Dorian won those 3 mandatory poses and from that point of view it was a close call. But i think that the elephant in the room is the fact that Dorians injured arm and bloated midsection totally ruined his simmetry and flow. Im not a hater, i think Dorian is the best ever in terms of density and conditioning, but he didnt deserve the title in 97.
How on earth did they judge Dilette? I know his posing was shit, but c'mon he can't even hold a pose for 2 fucking seconds?!?!?!?
I basically agree with everything u said except the front later spread, dorians lats are so much better he wins the pose
Are they really though? They may be marginally better but Nasser is filling out the pose pretty much just as well and all the surrounding body parts are better so it's a no-brainer to me.
@@Tomn8er I guess it's about the criteria and what u think constitutes a better pose
You can clearly see Nasser filled his arms and delts with oil. You can even see the injection points in his biceps. The lack of vascularity in his arms and he had no definition in his biceps and brachialis due to the oil.
Nassers waist was about 5 inches smaller than Dorians.
Nasser could have done anything with with accomplishments with masters degrees and an amazing education. He loved bodybuilding more than anything. Sad he died because of the drugs he had to take to be on the top level of bodybuilding, and then being robbed this year of a trophy he completely deserved and worked his ass of for.
Dorians small biceps made his FLS more impressive as there's less bicep to hide the lats... however, Typically guys with great backs also tend to have weaker biceps, and guys with great biceps also tend to have weaker lats/backs.