@@holmofrur whatever, say why you want, he was onstage flexing like all the rest regardless; he stood up and competed, and took the prize… ‘81 was way more controversial with Platz and Padilla - Franco’s win was a joke… Padilla was never better!
The true winner was MIKE MENTZER, He may have lost due to politics, But he left us with HEAVY DUTY TRAINING. And HIS LEGACY. And ifbb can never do anything about THAT.
@@yeahsure9759first off... No one looks up to Arnold as an actor. Never. Ever. 😂 And now and for awhile Arnold's ways in lifting have been known and most just see him as the physique. Mikes was better, but due to the politics ...he was pushed out of people's minds... But now his actual philosophy and ways of lifting are being looked at... Arnold, yes is rich and rich. Horrible actor. Horrible politician, and yea....
Didn't he cheat on his wife with the cleaning lady too😂 had her bent into the ficus ...wonder if he had any trips to Epstein Island like the other hollyweirds
@@yeahsure9759 Read your comment, man. It's completely irrelevant. It's equivalent to saying that the Rock was a better wrestler than John Cena because he was in more movies. Additionally, recordings have been released proving Weider's corruptness in the bodybuilding industry. Also, Arnold was a kiss a** personally meddling with the federation. I'm not saying that Mentzer should have won, but there's many reasons why this very situation is a controversy. In the 1980 competition in particular, Arnold came out of retirement with a poor physique compared to his past self and won. Mentzer was not the only bodybuilder who should have beaten Arnold that day.
I have been a devotee of Arnold and his training philosophy. Now that I've got that out of the way, I believe his best showings were '72,'74, and '75. In 1980, he looked like a shadow of himself. He was in Hollywood shape, but not competition shape. He wasn't ready. He allegedly trained for eight weeks for the contest. This is after a five year retirement. Eight weeks? I don't think so. He pulled out all the stops, the judges were also good friends of Arnold. I don't recall if he had a had in promotion as well. Let's face it, Mentzer was the best physique that day, not Arnold.
@Mantastic-ho3vm good observation, I suppose it also comes down to what genetics nature gives one, in order to stand a chance in becoming a champion, m
@@oDnjuArnold lost his family because he couldn't keep his snake in his pants. All because he all about himself. He's guilty of doing horrific acts. He has no human dignity whatsoever
Dorian only met Mike twice and was weighing 275lbs at the time and Dorian has said although they shared similar training philosophy he felt to win the Olympia he did six working sets for each body part whereas Mike only did 1 or 2 Working sets …. He said at no time was Mike his trainer and both Mike and Dorian used the training philosophy of Arthur jones the original creator of HIT
Arnold is an ass-creeper and was backed-up by a strong Lobby which made him win and also became Governor later on. Mentzer was the real hero and left the HEAVY DUTY behind, wich is a treasure.. RIP Mike!!
This had created a stigma in bodybuilding with Joe Weider being fully aware, the judges according to rumors were changed by Weider to favor Arnold , with Weider it was bout the publication sales, and Arnold was the "golden goose", in shape or not !!
@@lobby-3alliance196 That's exactly what John Hansen said happened at the 1972 Mr. Olympia against Sergio Oliva.......... Weider changed out the judges 5, maybe 7 times..........
Mike Mentzer looked the best symmetrical body he looked incredible. And I can say I'm using his techniques and I can see incredible growth from working out once every 7-10 days. I'm blown away from the difference
I'm following Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty program for about 8 months now and I lost 15lbs of fat getting into 15%-16% bf and my physique looks amazing. I'm not sure how to post my photo here though.
@bbreon75 Congrats on that. I've been eating plant based for a while now.. and coupling that with mentzer's philosophy on intensity, training to muscle failure, and recovery have opened my eyes on to what true physical (and mental) growth can look like.
Realizing this was one of the biggest disappointments of my life. Now I just practice sports and care very little about watching professionals play or compete.
Clearly Mike was primed to win. Wieder couldn’t have that so he brought Arnold back and all the judges quit and all Arnold’s friends replaced them. It really is grotesque. Mike was the man.
They're fixed to the point where no man or woman wants to compete in bodybuilding. The Powers That Be and their "champions" want to weed out who think is worthy of being a winner and knock the competition down
Absolutely! Interviewing the judges who were present during the competition would provide valuable insights into their perspectives on that day's events.
What’s funny is that the results of the context didn’t match the eye test to the point that CBS didn’t even air the contest after going to Australia to record the show.
@@motorheadforlife9431Not really. Arnold had complete control over this situation. He didn't needed to get into a fight. Mike already lost the Competition before it began.
Honestly Arnold was more of a bully than a champion!! if there is any chance of him loosing he will ensure the opponents are misdirected or manupulated before hand...MIKE MENTZER & KAI GREENE are peoples champions!!!❤
Arnold was a guy who just wanted it all.. He said he was gonna retire after the 1975 Olympia and he should've done so.. It wasn't enough that he was on his way to being a box office Hollywood movie star but he had to come back to the Olympia to and steal the spotlight from the other bodybuilders.. In my opinion he didn't deserve to win the 80 Mr Olympia.. But I would still rather have Arnold's 1980 physique than anybody else's onstage that year just because of his sheer physical size and height.. In many ways he still did look like a true champion despite his condition being off..
I liked what Arthur Jones said about Arnold when Weirdnegger tried to work for him, "Arnold and his longtime friend Franco Columbu visited us in Lake Helen in November of 1970, and sitting in the living room of my house Arnold told some terrible stories about Joe Weider and Joe’s wife Betty, while working for Weider. Arnold was a homosexual prostitute, a drug user and drug pusher and made no bones about it at the time; so, later, when he tried to get me to hire him I turned him down." Lol!
@@sonyx4500 Looky! The worthless Arnold minion is back from the cesspool of the local sewer. Apparently people do care what Arthur had to say or what he preached. He the inventor of the Nautilus exercise machines. Jones was a pioneer in the field of physical exercise, weight and strength training. I don't recall Pricknegger inventing anything. Jones pointed out that Arnold was a drug addict and was soliciting himself to men and had no quarrels about the gay business. Hahaha! At the time, Arnold reached out to Arthur for a job, and he was turned down
Mike Mentzer and Frank Zane have always been superior to Arnold. And their training methods are much more effective than Arnold's (I've tried them both), we're talking about science here, muscle and brain combined. Respect to Mr Mentzer, I follow his heavy duty program.
I have a picture with Arnold Schwarzenegger. My father, brother and myself played a round of golf with him in Sun Valley Idaho. This was in the summer of 2000 and was completely unplanned and unexpected. My brother and I (15 and 17 years old) were absolutely star struck and could not believe what was happening for the hours that we experienced with Arnold. At the end of it Arnold took a picture with us. That picture really doesn’t mean anything to be anymore. Arnold has tarnished his legacy so badly that there really isn’t much of anything to respect anymore. He cheated on his wife and betrayed his family. He makes absolutely garbage movies in the last couple decades. He is a complete sellout Hollywood liberal (“screw your freedoms!”). He is a sellout to whoever pays him money (garbage commercials). He is a complete two-face. “You can die a hero or live long enough to watch yourself become the villain”.
They act like he sat on a couch eating ice cream. He was filming Conan, which meant he was continuously working out. he simply switched to competitive lifting style. It's not size or veins, it's what he always won on- the beauty of proportion. People are just mad because they lost. These are the same guys that lost to him BEFORE!!! Arnold DID look better, bigger, more proportioned. they didn't have external obliques like he did... the side pose was definitely his. it's jealously. Good genes, mixed with hard work sometimes is the key.
Iirc, all seven judges were his close friends and former/ current business partners. Others associated with the contest, if they spoke up against Arnold, they were good as gone the next day. Arnold may have had a hand in the promotion of the contest, iirc....if Arnold could have packed the Opera house with his friends and numerous fans, he would have found a way to do it. Arnold has always been prepared to do whatever it took to win.
Arnold's double biceps shot was far more aesthetic, heavy and powerful than any other bodybuilder. In fact his whole posing routine was better. He knew how to hide the weak points and repeat the most powerful poses. Moreover he had a grace which any other bodybuilder was deprived of.
I've seen mike mentzer in person and talked to him. He was thick headed. He never had what it took to beat Arnold physically and mentally.He couldn't hold a candle to Arnold.
They are fixed to be honest. I’m a huge Dorian fan but to give him a perfect score when he clearly tore his bicep and you had nassar who was clearly the winner that year. Just shows. Mentzer should have won that year against Arnold but he wasn’t very liked by the judges. Had a very controversial personality. Same with flex wheeler. He wasn’t well liked.
Both worked they just didn't get on. Steroids helped plus they trained on top of using. Mike died an addict Arnie had heart problems. Both looked great Both paid a price Arnie still with us. Both huge in the sport.
@@oDnju And then you woke up with sawdust everywhere. Lol! Mike could use Arnold's legs to pick his teeth with. Arnold had the worst legs ever from an Olympia (Dumbo Columbo, next in line).
i cant beleive mike or ray mentzer can even put themselves anywheres near arnolds league. yes there both very impressive and etc, maybe arnold wasnt even close to his previous years condition. but nobody and i mean no man in the world has ever even came second rate towards arnolds physique and the way he carried himself and walked, he was prehistoric and will never ever be matched again. arnold flowed like a dinasaur that was genetically gifted, etc etc etc, for all you bunched up narrow shouldered short muscle belly wanna bees just accept it ok, THE ONE AND ONLY ARNOLD
Barely alive. Almost died in the mid 90's because all of the drugs and PEDS he was consuming when he was competing. Just got fitted for a pacemaker a few days ago. Nice going, Arnie
@@lateralus2199Yup, not to mention the heart operation he had a while ago. Seems like his heart is giving out, and dude is trying to advertise a healthy living by just doing light weights and cardio to extend the life of his heart.
@@LuciaGTAVI665 Exactly! Several heart surgeries. Can't eat meat as well (doctors told him to stop consuming meat) and is on a crusade against predacious consumption. Supporter of The World Economic Forum where they approve of eating insects over eating meats. Let's not forget Arnie's cigar smoking practices.
@@lostintime519 Once again, "Nah" is the centerpiece of your line of reasoning. You simply cannot explain anything. Permanent eclipse of intelligence. Poor fella
There were so many other Bodybuilder that were miles ahead of arnold during his competition time....arnie at the height of his BB career... wouldn't even cut the classic physique top 10 nowadays days
@edntz 40 to 50% of the audience booing, is alot considering it was for the almighty Arnold. They booed him because he looked like refried fudge pac. They kept booing him when he made his accepting speech. He won the most controversial, debatable BB contest in history
Sorry…I have done it all. I know what being in shape is and what it takes…I don’t care about organizations or a debate. Agree….. 1980 Arnold was Hollywood looking good but not for Mr. Olympia. Prior,to that the 70s….he was a beast and deserved it. Arnie did look good in 1980 as well but…not his top at all. He was top prior to that every year..no debate. Lou was the biggest nastiest body builder in my opinion. Not just huge and well defined…Lou was so…so strong. Super strong. Nobody was as strong as Lou and I love Arnold. Mike probably should have won 1980
I’ve heard it said that Arnold got a perfect score proposes he didn’t even perform. That would be like a figure skater jumping on a pommel horse when it’s their turn to perform and spinning around on the pommel horse and then getting a perfect score for figure skating. It’s preposterous. It’s not a question of the other competitors being sore losers it’s just a matter of complete and utter corruption. Disgusting really
Nothing to do with bodybuilding... but in 2013, i only trained 4 weeks prior to a 21 km race. My first one in 25 years. And i completed it! Most people would have been out of breath after the first 10 km.
Arnold is one of the dirtiest and finest example of abusing people and step on to climb! From his first gf who did everything for him to rest , and the call him the greatest of all time .
Unfortunately, bodybuilding is a subjective sport. Judges are human and can be influenced like any of us. Arnolds height (Mentzer was only 5'8"), winning history, and other attributes probably played a role as well as Joe Weider. Arnold wasn't above using politics to his advantage. That said, he's still the GOAT and did a lot to popularize the sport imo.
@@Thunderpussy1234 Daaamn dude,simmer down ! Wha'd Franco ever do to you¡?😂 Good point, but Franco never won against Arnold. If it was totally rigged, I don't blame the competitors. It would have been Joe Weider. I guess I'm not sure where the line is between heavily influenced and totally fixed. 🤔
Danny Padilla himself has gone on record to say that perhaps Arnold was in good enough shape to pull out the win. Danny of course is one of the real straight shooters from the golden era and his opinion is tops IMO. I would say that his aesthetics were good his definition and conditioning were certainly good but he was severely deficient in back, legs and triceps overall thickness and probably shouldn't have won this show. Thanks be to Joe Wider for effectively pretty much ruining Bodybuilding for his biased support for Arnold as well as lack of control for steroidal and PED rampant use.
Arnold first got his figurative ducks in a row and verified that the judges were all his friends and only then would he announce that he was entering the contest - a day in advance, whereas the rules required a month's advanced notice. He hurled insults at Mike and at Boyer Coe at the competitors' meeting and had to be saved by Ben Weider from getting his clock cleaned. He neglected compulsory poses and that was overlooked by the judges (who, again, were his friends). He had a big screen movie role coming up and entered with full confidence Joe Weider would have too much to gain financially by his success to ever allow him to lose. Face it, if not for Joe Weider's sponsorship early on and Vince Gironda's hands-on tutelage prepping him for competition in the U.S., the name of Arnold wouldn't be much more than a footnote in the sport's history, manipulative bottom-feeder that he is. And unappreciative; when WAS the last time you heard him give Vince Gironda ANY mention, let alone credit?
@@teufelhund53 true enough, what's done is done. What you said is an understatement, though. When only your sponsor (Joe Weider; he wasn't a movie star yet) and your friends the judges (along with gangs of fanboys decades later) see you as the winner - the audience present was erupting in boos - it says something about whoever would consider that a "victory". I was not there myself, but I know what I see when I look over the coverage.
@Mantastic-ho3vm nothing new that hasn't been rehashed and rebutted. Arnold has lost to Zane (not that I'm saying Frank should've won in '80 as he was coming off an injury and a good way from his best), Chet Yorton, Sergio Olivia of course, and some Iraqi bodybuilder whose name I'm trying to recall. Arnold was big and imposing, and by all accounts had a huge hit to his self esteem when he lost. Hence Joe Weider sending him to Vince Gironda to train to really get in shape. Mentzer "creating a hype around himself" ? I knew the guy between 1981, and 1991 after he put his demons behind him; it's plain from your assertions you never did. He didn't like what Arnold DID, though yes, I don't think he would like ANYONE who didn't give credit where it's due or manipulative bottom-feeders in general. Look, I like the guy's movies too for the most part, but when it comes to who can be properly said to have won in 1980 and the backstory to the event, no one possessed of good conscience who followed Arnold's path to that platform has grounds to feel good about himself. I compartmentalize his movie (heh ... I will not call it "acting") career from his bodybuilding history, bottom line. The 1980 Mr. O fiasco is all I'm interested in discussing here, and there's a REASON why those who scoff at Arnold being awarded the Sandow that year were either the ones who were present (and booing Arnold) or those who've read and watched video accounts of it, whereas fanboys raised on Conan and the Terminator are, decades later, the ones digging up dirt on Mike and screaming "sour grapes" at him. My own opinion since you're making yours painfully clear is that either Boyer Coe or Chris Dickerson, arguably with Dennis Tinerino in the mix, could've credibly won. Arnold, Mike, Roy Challenger, Roger Walker, and Frank in no particular order after that, which pains me to admit as I've trained with Mike and am a huge fan of Frank's aesthetics. Your disparaging of high intensity training is groundless and ill-founded, and deserving of its own discussion (of which there are many on UA-cam if it interests you). Not going to be dragged far off-topic, not sorry.
@Mantastic-ho3vm it may not have been me who rebutted all the Arnold sycophants, but they have been over the years. It doesn't interest me to do so yet again as I'm as indifferent to the rants of Arnold fans as they are to their hero's amoral conduct. Arnold "won", if you call being gift wrapped & handed to him by Joe & his cronies. He won in the same sense that the last WrestleMania champion did. The "best out of a bad lineup" is your opinion and you need no one's approval to voice it. ONLY your opinion though; not shared by many viewing this video or sounding off in the comments ...or, you know, by the people actually present at that contest. I don't think we'll find agreement on this. Arnold was, in my opinion this time, neither his own best nor the best on stage that night. One can argue (as we both see) that the same can be said about Mike Mentzer. All things considered, I don't think any OBJECTIVE man can argue who the better (not better promoted, rich, or more popular) PERSON is. We're at a point of essentially repeating the same talking points with merely different words, so I'd say that's a wrap. Have a good one; you and I are done with this.
@@bigcatz74 I heard him say the gym was like a party. He would take longer rest periods, goof around with the guys and just have a good time between sets.
Marathon Arnold sometimes trained 3 hours a day twice a day in which he mentioned this in his stupid book, "Education of a bodybuilder" and other sources in Muscle Builder and other magazines
❤ for Heavy duty "Mentzer"
Great video. Mike should posthumously be awarded the 80 Olympia.
💯
He got 5th btw lmao
" There is a lot of politics and when i call it politics, i mean corruption..." wisest words ever
Politics is just another word for corruption.
Apparently, Arnold's late entrance into the 1980 Mr was outside the rules also.
@holmofrur yeah the rules didn't apply to Arnold, if it had been Mike or anyone other then Arnold they would have been disqualified immediately
Yep im pretty sure he joined like a week before it was olympia. Others have to join like months before
@@Norsktzer sounds about right
@@holmofrur whatever, say why you want, he was onstage flexing like all the rest regardless; he stood up and competed, and took the prize… ‘81 was way more controversial with Platz and Padilla - Franco’s win was a joke… Padilla was never better!
Previous Olympia winners are automatically qualified.
Ifbb has always been a joke ,the public finally got exposed to this over the years.
Politics may sometimes play a role in sports, but not all the time
@@HulktubeMotivation When there's large sums of money at stake - EVERY TIME.
@@HulktubeMotivation Completely truth!
Arnold taught us the stength of networking over hardwork.
yep sure did
So you’re saying he didn’t work hard?
@@im_ericgarciahe was on roids didn’t work as hard as mike he was a bully
Im sure he had people do favors for the judges!
@@clawplayerlolthey were all on roids
Thanks Mike,you never threatened to screw an individual's freedom
R.I.P. to Mike he was a legend hands down
I'm not a big Arnold fan. In the body building world it's all about politics. Plain and simple. Sergio Oliva found that out the hard way as well.
The true winner was MIKE MENTZER, He may have lost due to politics, But he left us with HEAVY DUTY TRAINING. And HIS LEGACY. And ifbb can never do anything about THAT.
Mike mentzer was greater than arnold i met him at the nabba mr universe and he was great to talk to his legacy will live on.
How many movies Mentzer make? Case closed
@@yeahsure9759first off... No one looks up to Arnold as an actor. Never. Ever. 😂 And now and for awhile Arnold's ways in lifting have been known and most just see him as the physique. Mikes was better, but due to the politics ...he was pushed out of people's minds... But now his actual philosophy and ways of lifting are being looked at... Arnold, yes is rich and rich. Horrible actor. Horrible politician, and yea....
Didn't he cheat on his wife with the cleaning lady too😂 had her bent into the ficus ...wonder if he had any trips to Epstein Island like the other hollyweirds
@@yeahsure9759 Read your comment, man. It's completely irrelevant. It's equivalent to saying that the Rock was a better wrestler than John Cena because he was in more movies. Additionally, recordings have been released proving Weider's corruptness in the bodybuilding industry. Also, Arnold was a kiss a** personally meddling with the federation. I'm not saying that Mentzer should have won, but there's many reasons why this very situation is a controversy. In the 1980 competition in particular, Arnold came out of retirement with a poor physique compared to his past self and won. Mentzer was not the only bodybuilder who should have beaten Arnold that day.
I have been a devotee of Arnold and his training philosophy. Now that I've got that out of the way, I believe his best showings were '72,'74, and '75. In 1980, he looked like a shadow of himself. He was in Hollywood shape, but not competition shape. He wasn't ready. He allegedly trained for eight weeks for the contest. This is after a five year retirement. Eight weeks? I don't think so.
He pulled out all the stops, the judges were also good friends of Arnold. I don't recall if he had a had in promotion as well. Let's face it, Mentzer was the best physique that day, not Arnold.
Good point, m
Look what Kevin Lee one did in about 3 months after many many years off..
“Impossible” is a matter of perspective..
@MrGlock86 good point, m
@Mantastic-ho3vm good observation, I suppose it also comes down to what genetics nature gives one, in order to stand a chance in becoming a champion, m
@Mantastic-ho3vm So arnold had it all than all the other body builders in that stage ?...Stop the cap fool.
Arnold was soft 1980 - everyone else on stage looks tremendous.
@@oDnjuArnold lost his family because he couldn't keep his snake in his pants. All because he all about himself. He's guilty of doing horrific acts. He has no human dignity whatsoever
@@oDnjuhow so? Elaborate
Mike got the last laugh when he took Dorian Yates under his wing. He helped Dorian become Mr Olympia and proved that the heavy duty principles work.
@@oDnju Blah blah blah
@@oDnjuWeider made sure of that.
Dorian only met Mike twice and was weighing 275lbs at the time and Dorian has said although they shared similar training philosophy he felt to win the Olympia he did six working sets for each body part whereas Mike only did 1 or 2 Working sets …. He said at no time was Mike his trainer and both Mike and Dorian used the training philosophy of Arthur jones the original creator of HIT
Stop the glazing
@@oDnjuof course, weiders champ, weiders universe, but in a Multiverse, He gonna be the Champ.
Arnold is an ass-creeper and was backed-up by a strong Lobby which made him win and also became Governor later on.
Mentzer was the real hero and left the HEAVY DUTY behind, wich is a treasure..
RIP Mike!!
Àss creeper? Damn!
Mike Mentzer. Anytime🙇🏻♂️
There needs to be a federation as big as the Ifbb to give competitors a choice.
It's like saying there needs to be two world cups and fifa has to have competition.
There is NABBA remember Joe Wieder entered the Nabba Mr Universe but never won it.
Im currently working on making that happen brotha, stay tuned
If Jeff Bezos put up a $1 million dollar 1st place bodybuilding competition, IFBB would cease to exist. Money can move mountains.
@@Payton.childers It's been 7 months. Where are you with creating this new federation? Are you nearing completion?
3:00 - "...GEARING up for this event..."
You beat me to it lol.
Congratulations to Arnold’s mates for placing Arnold in 1st place , you must be really proud of yourselfs. 👏
Bro is acting like he met him😂
@@INSOMNIA91 true story bro
Mentzer had the better physique.
arnold is a dirty guy. he also fixed 1981 for franco to win
Facts
With the finest gynecomastia you’ve ever seen. Probably the most obvious set up win in bodybuilding history.
And in ‘76
This had created a stigma in bodybuilding with Joe Weider being fully aware, the judges according to rumors were changed by Weider to favor Arnold , with Weider it was bout the publication sales, and Arnold was the "golden goose", in shape or not !!
@@lobby-3alliance196 That's exactly what John Hansen said happened at the 1972 Mr. Olympia against Sergio Oliva.......... Weider changed out the judges 5, maybe 7 times..........
Was a crime Mentzer didn't win this one. Arnold's upper legs and chest presented no where near show ready
Mike Mentzer looked the best symmetrical body he looked incredible. And I can say I'm using his techniques and I can see incredible growth from working out once every 7-10 days. I'm blown away from the difference
@brycecampbell4845
Day 9 is Amazing. Thats when you know its real..
I'm following Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty program for about 8 months now and I lost 15lbs of fat getting into 15%-16% bf and my physique looks amazing. I'm not sure how to post my photo here though.
@bbreon75 Congrats on that. I've been eating plant based for a while now.. and coupling that with mentzer's philosophy on intensity, training to muscle failure, and recovery have opened my eyes on to what true physical (and mental) growth can look like.
@@oDnju Again?
@@oDnju How old are you, kid? Does your mother know that you are up, past your bedtime, using her laptop?
Towards the end of the video, when they hand Mentzer his 5th Place trophy, you can see him lipping "....this is bullshit."
And it absolutely was bullshit anyone with half a brain could see it,...poor Mike! 😢
Realizing this was one of the biggest disappointments of my life.
Now I just practice sports and care very little about watching professionals play or compete.
I hear ya
Clearly Mike was primed to win. Wieder couldn’t have that so he brought Arnold back and all the judges quit and all Arnold’s friends replaced them. It really is grotesque. Mike was the man.
Mike was the man for what? ..1 year?.. Arnold put bodybuilding on the map and won 7 olympias, sit the fuck down
@w1ldcard1986 you need to study the truth
They're fixed to the point where no man or woman wants to compete in bodybuilding. The Powers That Be and their "champions" want to weed out who think is worthy of being a winner and knock the competition down
Most contest are fixed. Name a sport. If it has to do with money, or gambling.
its all vanity. thank GOD i didnt follow it to their extreme.
bodybuilding is not a sport. its just contest.
@@juny-r4rhow would you define a sport?
Did you see that lineup of bodybuilders, that has to be the best lineup of all-time.💯
if any judges are still living, they should be interviewed and see what they have to say about that day of competition
Absolutely! Interviewing the judges who were present during the competition would provide valuable insights into their perspectives on that day's events.
They need to interview the criminal promoter, and Arnold's former, illegal business partner, Paul Graham as well
That'd be like asking a police union if a cop did anything wrong.
that would be very interesting!!
Arnold today should be interviewed on this!
Arnold was about to be a international movie star. The IFBB was not about to pass up on getting massive media mention when Arnold became famous.
What’s funny is that the results of the context didn’t match the eye test to the point that CBS didn’t even air the contest after going to Australia to record the show.
Mentzer should've won the 1980 Mr. OLYMPIA hands down.
He was 5th lol. Dickerson Zane boyler all looked better.
@@aaronperez6379Nope
MIKE....
got Arnold to SHIT UP and sit down in a corner. 😂
@invisiblerevolution - Arnold looked like a pathetic toddler getting scolded by Mike in that shot. 😂
@@motorheadforlife9431Not really. Arnold had complete control over this situation. He didn't needed to get into a fight. Mike already lost the Competition before it began.
@@sonyx4500 Oh boy, another Arnold fanboy
@@youshallnotpass2140 Another Mentzer worshipper
Honestly Arnold was more of a bully than a champion!! if there is any chance of him loosing he will ensure the opponents are misdirected or manupulated before hand...MIKE MENTZER & KAI GREENE are peoples champions!!!❤
Arnold was given the title to help promote his upcoming Conan movie. Joe Weider’s decision
absolutely
Yeah its called rigging the contest
Arnold was a guy who just wanted it all.. He said he was gonna retire after the 1975 Olympia and he should've done so.. It wasn't enough that he was on his way to being a box office Hollywood movie star but he had to come back to the Olympia to and steal the spotlight from the other bodybuilders.. In my opinion he didn't deserve to win the 80 Mr Olympia.. But I would still rather have Arnold's 1980 physique than anybody else's onstage that year just because of his sheer physical size and height.. In many ways he still did look like a true champion despite his condition being off..
Mike was Big too, but Arnold's muscle was way more conditioned. The high volume training set Arnold's muscles into another sphere.
Arnold was a Close friend of Joe Weider, he sky rocket Arnold career in every aspect. He decided who would be the winner in the Mr Olimpia.
Both methods of training end up with similar results. The question isn't which one is better, it's what works for you.
I liked what Arthur Jones said about Arnold when Weirdnegger tried to work for him, "Arnold and his longtime friend Franco Columbu visited us in Lake Helen in November of 1970, and sitting in the living room of my house Arnold told some terrible stories about Joe Weider and Joe’s wife Betty, while working for Weider. Arnold was a homosexual prostitute, a drug user and drug pusher and made no bones about it at the time; so, later, when he tried to get me to hire him I turned him down." Lol!
Nobody cares about hypocrite Arthur Jones. Arnold made 100 times the money he did.
@@sonyx4500 Looky! The worthless Arnold minion is back from the cesspool of the local sewer. Apparently people do care what Arthur had to say or what he preached. He the inventor of the Nautilus exercise machines. Jones was a pioneer in the field of physical exercise, weight and strength training. I don't recall Pricknegger inventing anything. Jones pointed out that Arnold was a drug addict and was soliciting himself to men and had no quarrels about the gay business. Hahaha! At the time, Arnold reached out to Arthur for a job, and he was turned down
Great video
Mike Mentzer and Frank Zane have always been superior to Arnold. And their training methods are much more effective than Arnold's (I've tried them both), we're talking about science here, muscle and brain combined. Respect to Mr Mentzer, I follow his heavy duty program.
Mike! In my eyes..IS THE CHAMP! Mike you are a legend..
I have a picture with Arnold Schwarzenegger. My father, brother and myself played a round of golf with him in Sun Valley Idaho. This was in the summer of 2000 and was completely unplanned and unexpected. My brother and I (15 and 17 years old) were absolutely star struck and could not believe what was happening for the hours that we experienced with Arnold. At the end of it Arnold took a picture with us.
That picture really doesn’t mean anything to be anymore. Arnold has tarnished his legacy so badly that there really isn’t much of anything to respect anymore. He cheated on his wife and betrayed his family. He makes absolutely garbage movies in the last couple decades. He is a complete sellout Hollywood liberal (“screw your freedoms!”). He is a sellout to whoever pays him money (garbage commercials). He is a complete two-face.
“You can die a hero or live long enough to watch yourself become the villain”.
Probably cheated in your golf game as well
1980 Olympia was controversial. 1981 was an outright crime. That one left no question what Arnold was capable of.
Arnold Schwarzenfreedom will go down in history as being the maskinator
They act like he sat on a couch eating ice cream. He was filming Conan, which meant he was continuously working out. he simply switched to competitive lifting style. It's not size or veins, it's what he always won on- the beauty of proportion. People are just mad because they lost. These are the same guys that lost to him BEFORE!!! Arnold DID look better, bigger, more proportioned. they didn't have external obliques like he did... the side pose was definitely his. it's jealously. Good genes, mixed with hard work sometimes is the key.
Arnold was a friend of a judge! He will tell you rhat he took.every advantage!
Iirc, all seven judges were his close friends and former/ current business partners. Others associated with the contest, if they spoke up against Arnold, they were good as gone the next day. Arnold may have had a hand in the promotion of the contest, iirc....if Arnold could have packed the Opera house with his friends and numerous fans, he would have found a way to do it.
Arnold has always been prepared to do whatever it took to win.
Mentzer calling out someone for abuse of stimulant drugs.
Oh the irony 😂
The 1980 Olympia was fixed.... Arnold was nowhere near the condition he was in when he won his last Olympia in 1975...
May mike rest in peace a true legend who was robbed in my eyes he deserved much more
Really irritating how you show Mike's younger brother Ray at different points when you are talking about Mike.
Arnold, so good he can come back after 5 years off and still win making everyone look like garbage
look at Tinerino at the 7.26 mark..looked great
He always looked fantastic, a very underrated bodybuilder
If you're in a bar and someone looks at you like that expect trouble 😂
0:22
Serge Nubret and Frank Zane was the greatest aesthetiks athletics for all time.
Watching this while in flight sim😂 ty
Mike Mentzer body building philosophy works.
Mike won plane & simple. Politics.
Arnold looks much bigger than anyone.
It doesn't matter... this guy build a great career for himself..people will forget others but Not Arnold..
They are like hyenas trying to attack lion.
Arnold's double biceps shot was far more aesthetic, heavy and powerful than any other bodybuilder. In fact his whole posing routine was better. He knew how to hide the weak points and repeat the most powerful poses. Moreover he had a grace which any other bodybuilder was deprived of.
Hahaha!
Unfortunately I agree.
Charming? Find a different word please
@@Lousy-Looter who used the word charming by the way?
@rizjahangir okay then how is this...charm? Find a different word please
I've seen mike mentzer in person and talked to him. He was thick headed. He never had what it took to beat Arnold physically and mentally.He couldn't hold a candle to Arnold.
Yes he did and yes he could, and just because you met him doesn't prove anything, that is if you even actually have met him
@@Lousy-Looter Yea, right! I met him in Gold's Gym Venice in front of the standing calf raise machine.
@TheBestthaiboxer well good for you, alot of people would love to have met him but won't get the chance
Hope everyone in the comments has an awesome 🙌 day 👌
you too mate
@@HulktubeMotivation thank you 🙏
Maybe Arnold killed Mike and Ray.
No. They absolutely destroyed themselves with their drug abuse.
These days anything is possible
Absolutely he carries responsibility for their deaths
💊💊💊💊💊💊💊💊
Secret society protecting their assets
Whose the shorter guy in the back shot at 1:09 - 1:10? That is insane level of back development in any era let alone that era. Wow!!!
Tom Platz
He means the short black guy. Tom Platz probably had the weakest back among them all@@crownshep
That’s Chris Dickerson
looks like Danny Paddia
Looks like Mr. Olivia
He was a movie star by then, did you really think anyone was going to earn that title. 🤨
He was in movies but not a successful actor yet
Its not like he wasnt already still huge during the conan filming.
They are fixed to be honest. I’m a huge Dorian fan but to give him a perfect score when he clearly tore his bicep and you had nassar who was clearly the winner that year. Just shows. Mentzer should have won that year against Arnold but he wasn’t very liked by the judges. Had a very controversial personality. Same with flex wheeler. He wasn’t well liked.
Both worked they just didn't get on. Steroids helped plus they trained on top of using. Mike died an addict Arnie had heart problems. Both looked great Both paid a price Arnie still with us. Both huge in the sport.
at least 3 of the men on stage were on blow.
No legs
@@oDnju And then you woke up with sawdust everywhere. Lol! Mike could use Arnold's legs to pick his teeth with. Arnold had the worst legs ever from an Olympia (Dumbo Columbo, next in line).
Arnolds Calves were stillk very good tho
@@Trendle222 So? His thighs were long and lanky and resembled pool sticks. Thighs are suppose to be bigger than calves. His were the opposite
i cant beleive mike or ray mentzer can even put themselves anywheres near arnolds league. yes there both very impressive and etc, maybe arnold wasnt even close to his previous years condition. but nobody and i mean no man in the world has ever even came second rate towards arnolds physique and the way he carried himself and walked, he was prehistoric and will never ever be matched again. arnold flowed like a dinasaur that was genetically gifted, etc etc etc, for all you bunched up narrow shouldered short muscle belly wanna bees just accept it ok, THE ONE AND ONLY ARNOLD
Hahaha!
Mike was obviously dialed in and was huge that chest those arms Arnold was strung out like a skinny chicken
Mentzer never had the esthetics to compete with Arnold even when he was subpar in ‘80
His classy wife took the kids & never looked back . He will die alone
Mentzers triceps,wow!
arnold the professional bullshitter
But he is still alive and training 🤔😁
Mentzer is a piece of crap. Not worthy of an opponent for Arnold.
Barely alive. Almost died in the mid 90's because all of the drugs and PEDS he was consuming when he was competing. Just got fitted for a pacemaker a few days ago. Nice going, Arnie
@@lateralus2199Yup, not to mention the heart operation he had a while ago. Seems like his heart is giving out, and dude is trying to advertise a healthy living by just doing light weights and cardio to extend the life of his heart.
@@LuciaGTAVI665 Exactly! Several heart surgeries. Can't eat meat as well (doctors told him to stop consuming meat) and is on a crusade against predacious consumption. Supporter of The World Economic Forum where they approve of eating insects over eating meats. Let's not forget Arnie's cigar smoking practices.
He won fair. He's Arnold, that can easily cloud the perception of any person, especially the ones during his time. He was a superstar.
Elaborate
@@lateralus2199 n a h
@@lostintime519 Why? Because you can't? Let's see
@@lateralus2199 n a h, because i already did.
@@lostintime519 Once again, "Nah" is the centerpiece of your line of reasoning. You simply cannot explain anything. Permanent eclipse of intelligence. Poor fella
There were so many other Bodybuilder that were miles ahead of arnold during his competition time....arnie at the height of his BB career... wouldn't even cut the classic physique top 10 nowadays days
Today's bodybuilders look terrible as if they were inflated with a tire pump. Disgusting drugs
WHO?
Mike was way better than Arnold and that was the biased and corrupted contest in history. Arnold didn't deserved the win
Mike Mentzer, Boyer Cole, and especially Sergio Olivia were all robbed Aronald should've won MAYBE 2 or 3 Olympia's NOT 6 yeah he was joes golden boy!
I wouldn't be surprised if Don King was there greasing the judges and Joe Wieder so Arnold would win.
Of COURSE the competitors (sore losers) didn't see him as a winner.
And neither did the audience in which he was booed mercilessly by 40 to 50% by the audience, when he was declared the winner.
@Mantastic-ho3vm Wrong!
@Mantastic-ho3vm How so, dimwit?
@edntz 40 to 50% of the audience booing, is alot considering it was for the almighty Arnold. They booed him because he looked like refried fudge pac. They kept booing him when he made his accepting speech. He won the most controversial, debatable BB contest in history
Sorry…I have done it all. I know what being in shape is and what it takes…I don’t care about organizations or a debate. Agree….. 1980 Arnold was Hollywood looking good but not for Mr. Olympia. Prior,to that the 70s….he was a beast and deserved it. Arnie did look good in 1980 as well but…not his top at all. He was top prior to that every year..no debate. Lou was the biggest nastiest body builder in my opinion. Not just huge and well defined…Lou was so…so strong. Super strong. Nobody was as strong as Lou and I love Arnold. Mike probably should have won 1980
We all know if was fixed in 80 & 81
I’ve heard it said that Arnold got a perfect score proposes he didn’t even perform. That would be like a figure skater jumping on a pommel horse when it’s their turn to perform and spinning around on the pommel horse and then getting a perfect score for figure skating. It’s preposterous. It’s not a question of the other competitors being sore losers it’s just a matter of complete and utter corruption. Disgusting really
Charm make him won and not just the physique after all
Charm? Try a different word please
Nothing to do with bodybuilding... but in 2013, i only trained 4 weeks prior to a 21 km race. My first one in 25 years. And i completed it! Most people would have been out of breath after the first 10 km.
Arnold is one of the dirtiest and finest example of abusing people and step on to climb! From his first gf who did everything for him to rest , and the call him the greatest of all time .
Arnold no full overall package that day and it showed.
Unfortunately, bodybuilding is a subjective sport. Judges are human and can be influenced like any of us. Arnolds height (Mentzer was only 5'8"), winning history, and other attributes probably played a role as well as Joe Weider. Arnold wasn't above using politics to his advantage. That said, he's still the GOAT and did a lot to popularize the sport imo.
Arnold's boy toy best friend Franco Columbu won 2 Olympia's.. and he was only 5'5"..!
It's totally rigged.
@@Thunderpussy1234 Daaamn dude,simmer down ! Wha'd Franco ever do to you¡?😂
Good point, but Franco never won against Arnold. If it was totally rigged, I don't blame the competitors. It would have been Joe Weider. I guess I'm not sure where the line is between heavily influenced and totally fixed. 🤔
PAUL GRAHAM the promoter of the contest was Arnold's very good friend and frequent houseguest for many years...
@@Thunderpussy1234Great point
Danny Padilla himself has gone on record to say
that perhaps Arnold was in good enough shape to
pull out the win. Danny of course is one of the real
straight shooters from the golden era and his
opinion is tops IMO. I would say that his aesthetics
were good his definition and conditioning were
certainly good but he was severely deficient in back,
legs and triceps overall thickness and probably
shouldn't have won this show. Thanks be to Joe
Wider for effectively pretty much ruining
Bodybuilding for his biased support for Arnold as
well as lack of control for steroidal and PED
rampant use.
Arnold first got his figurative ducks in a row and verified that the judges were all his friends and only then would he announce that he was entering the contest - a day in advance, whereas the rules required a month's advanced notice. He hurled insults at Mike and at Boyer Coe at the competitors' meeting and had to be saved by Ben Weider from getting his clock cleaned. He neglected compulsory poses and that was overlooked by the judges (who, again, were his friends). He had a big screen movie role coming up and entered with full confidence Joe Weider would have too much to gain financially by his success to ever allow him to lose. Face it, if not for Joe Weider's sponsorship early on and Vince Gironda's hands-on tutelage prepping him for competition in the U.S., the name of Arnold wouldn't be much more than a footnote in the sport's history, manipulative bottom-feeder that he is. And unappreciative; when WAS the last time you heard him give Vince Gironda ANY mention, let alone credit?
Yeah well, what happened happened and Arnold was the chosen one. No doubt 1980 Mr O was a huge blunder though
@@teufelhund53 true enough, what's done is done. What you said is an understatement, though. When only your sponsor (Joe Weider; he wasn't a movie star yet) and your friends the judges (along with gangs of fanboys decades later) see you as the winner - the audience present was erupting in boos - it says something about whoever would consider that a "victory". I was not there myself, but I know what I see when I look over the coverage.
@Mantastic-ho3vm nothing new that hasn't been rehashed and rebutted. Arnold has lost to Zane (not that I'm saying Frank should've won in '80 as he was coming off an injury and a good way from his best), Chet Yorton, Sergio Olivia of course, and some Iraqi bodybuilder whose name I'm trying to recall. Arnold was big and imposing, and by all accounts had a huge hit to his self esteem when he lost. Hence Joe Weider sending him to Vince Gironda to train to really get in shape.
Mentzer "creating a hype around himself" ? I knew the guy between 1981, and 1991 after he put his demons behind him; it's plain from your assertions you never did. He didn't like what Arnold DID, though yes, I don't think he would like ANYONE who didn't give credit where it's due or manipulative bottom-feeders in general. Look, I like the guy's movies too for the most part, but when it comes to who can be properly said to have won in 1980 and the backstory to the event, no one possessed of good conscience who followed Arnold's path to that platform has grounds to feel good about himself. I compartmentalize his movie (heh ... I will not call it "acting") career from his bodybuilding history, bottom line. The 1980 Mr. O fiasco is all I'm interested in discussing here, and there's a REASON why those who scoff at Arnold being awarded the Sandow that year were either the ones who were present (and booing Arnold) or those who've read and watched video accounts of it, whereas fanboys raised on Conan and the Terminator are, decades later, the ones digging up dirt on Mike and screaming "sour grapes" at him. My own opinion since you're making yours painfully clear is that either Boyer Coe or Chris Dickerson, arguably with Dennis Tinerino in the mix, could've credibly won. Arnold, Mike, Roy Challenger, Roger Walker, and Frank in no particular order after that, which pains me to admit as I've trained with Mike and am a huge fan of Frank's aesthetics. Your disparaging of high intensity training is groundless and ill-founded, and deserving of its own discussion (of which there are many on UA-cam if it interests you). Not going to be dragged far off-topic, not sorry.
@Mantastic-ho3vm it may not have been me who rebutted all the Arnold sycophants, but they have been over the years. It doesn't interest me to do so yet again as I'm as indifferent to the rants of Arnold fans as they are to their hero's amoral conduct. Arnold "won", if you call being gift wrapped & handed to him by Joe & his cronies. He won in the same sense that the last WrestleMania champion did. The "best out of a bad lineup" is your opinion and you need no one's approval to voice it. ONLY your opinion though; not shared by many viewing this video or sounding off in the comments ...or, you know, by the people actually present at that contest.
I don't think we'll find agreement on this. Arnold was, in my opinion this time, neither his own best nor the best on stage that night. One can argue (as we both see) that the same can be said about Mike Mentzer. All things considered, I don't think any OBJECTIVE man can argue who the better (not better promoted, rich, or more popular) PERSON is.
We're at a point of essentially repeating the same talking points with merely different words, so I'd say that's a wrap. Have a good one; you and I are done with this.
@Mantastic-ho3vmMentzer never said HE should have won. He simply said Arnold should not have bud
God bless you, Mike. Ahead of your time. Just like Robbie
Arnold is a narcissist. Cheating on his wife from the Kennedy clan is another example.
1:43 Looking at the top guys right there it isn't too far fetched that Arnold deserved to win.
Arnold has accomplished so many great things but I do believe him to be a very difficult person.
So are most of the best athletes in the world in every sport. Michael jordan wasn't particularly the nicest guy. Worked out great for him.
@@jvac1129 in other words, yeah, they’re assholes. Don’t try to excuse it.
Nothing has changed. Just look at last year's Olympia.
Training 5 hours a day Arnold ?
Yup he told so in an interview, He loved to over train
@@HulktubeMotivation but training at least 5 x a week what could you train for 5 hours a day unless it includes stretching, eating , massage
@@bigcatz74 I heard him say the gym was like a party. He would take longer rest periods, goof around with the guys and just have a good time between sets.
Both Jerry Brainum and Dave Draper said Arnold did not train 5 hours a day as claimed but most of the time it was more like 1.5 hours more or less
Marathon Arnold sometimes trained 3 hours a day twice a day in which he mentioned this in his stupid book, "Education of a bodybuilder" and other sources in Muscle Builder and other magazines
Arnold was a master of psychological warfare.
Or maybe he just convinced you that he was