Is MOP GIRL Dreamland's Rightful Ruler? | Disenchantment Theory
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Disenchantment Part 3 probably laid more groundwork for ongoing mysteries than any season before it, and honestly? I’m here for it. Oh yeah, and SPOILERS AHEAD for Disenchantment Part 3, obviously. There appears to be a TON of question marks surrounding Dreamland, including in regards to its rightful citizens and RULER. So, with big mysteries comes RAMPANT SPECULATION, and I’m here to tell you why I think the show COULD be hinting that Miri the Mop Girl is Dreamland’s true ruler. But intertwined with this whole idea are a TON of other great mysteries, theories, and speculation, and there’s A LOT to cover, so let’s talk about it!
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If any Disenchantment producers see this, I'd make a great writer's assistant 😉
I don't agree with your half ogre theory for elfo i think he's half trøgg his nose and ears are more trøggy than ogrey with smaller face holes than other trøggs and more triangular ears than elves so that's where I sit
@@daRYZEboy Didn't Elfo's dad specifically say that Elfo's mother was a 'large' woman?
Yeah he specifically said he’s into large women. I definitely think there’s more to the Elfo/Ogre situation and am not fully confident that he’s half ogre, but I would be surprised if he’s half Trog. Could be, though!
@@daRYZEboy he also says bum bum
@@Johnny2Cellos Dude I thought that he was cause of his nose it looks like a cross between the trogs big nostrils and the elves small/no nostrils
I can only imagine how happy you must be after watching the finale and knowing your theory was right all along! 👏👏👏
Like this is insane how right on the money he was. This is some oracle level prediction.
Some other people had speculate that. She is not necessarily "rightfull", but she get to be queenm
@@lukitasmol10 her face is seen underneath the floor when the rocket blasts away the top layer
Me reading this while still on season 4 🧍🏻♀️
Miri the mop girl is also standing next to the line of kings in that scene, she is literally next in line when she catches the crown.
True
Yeah you're right
Mary
Yeah, both this video and your comment aged like a fine wine
I literally cannot believe you called it, when King Rulo was giving his speech I was just freaking out man 😂
Bean likes Mora the Mermaid and Derek likes Saggatha the fairy. The theory could work.
another thing that ties with this theory is that near bean nor derek have an "og" in their names
That finished with Zog. A-Z
Isn't Dagmar human?
@@theanimeunderworld8338 well she eats trog brain.
@@leephillips4402 But still, racially, a human.
The ear thing fits perfectly with Matt Groening, he originally planed to have a reveal in The Simpsons that Marge had bunny ears to tie her to Life in Hell (but at the end didn’t happen)
Oooh this is a great catch I never actually knew this
yeah he originally planned for the ear reveal when the series ended but of course that didn't happen....yet
Supposedly, in an early Simpsons arcade game Marge's bunny ears were revealed. Everytime she gets an electric shock (this was seemingly part of the game), the bone structure of the bunny ears were visible. Later, this idea was abandoned, and in episodes featuring Marge's College years we can sometimes see her wearing her hair loose. So no place to hide the bunny ears.
@@regniliezj6445 she does have webbed feet though.
@@regniliezj6445 yea ive played it a bunch
Theory: Zog's babbling is Actually the Ancient Language mentioned on "The Royal Log from Agogg to Zog A Secret History of the King of Dreamland" and Not a sign of mental illness.
wow
Cool
* honk in agreement *
And Bean can understand the language as seen in the scene where Zog is locked up for the first time.
@@stevenbaker7025 I didn't notice it before! Thank You my friend! =D
This aged like fine wine
I'm here after watching the finale and let me tell you, you practically predicted the future.
I watched the final part this weekend. After that, I was in the mood to check out Disenchantment-related videos. I came across this one, read its title and I was like "Wait... When did he make this video?" I checked and realized this video is over two years old and I was like "Are you friggin' kidding me?!"
After watching season 4, It's incredibly impressive how much you got right. Obviously we still don't know about mop girl, but nothing goes against your theory so far.
There are even MORE hints towards my theory, I think :)
@@Johnny2Cellos haha I'll have to watch again with a keener eye!
@@Johnny2Cellos looking forward to your next disenchantment part 4 video john
@@Johnny2Cellos Make a part 2 then, please :D
Them very openly making mop girl more prevalent (via her relationship with Lucy) helps honestly. It'd be weird to give them that and then drop her and do nothing with her.
“I used to be a princess too” *orphan girl to Bean*
You were right! My mind is blown cause this vid was 2 years ago!
Two and a half years ago!!!!
Of the fan theories regarding a series I have seen this one is the most convincing one I have seen. Good catch man!
Thank you!
There is some supporting evidence but im not entirely convinced. I wouldnt be surprised if Johnny was right though.
@@readmarx420 ok? Thanks for sharing
So is beans mom implied to be a demon since shes not human?
@@korrafey1044 I thought she was a Witch but maybe she could be a succubus
When you compared the shape of Dreamland castle to that of King Rulo's crown, you absolutely blew my mind! It was hiding there in plain sight the whole time! And I think you're on to something in your theory about Mop Girl. I'm looking forward to seeing more of what is revealed about her in future episodes to see if you're right!
Idk if I’m crazy but I also noticed her shoes are similar to the ones eleves wear
All of it is right!
@@vanessaespinoza796 wow yea she does
Matches even more so now that we have that reveal from season 4
Mop girl is just mop girl
Unless her size doesn’t match her age she might be Zog’s elder brother’s child with the former mop woman. You know how these nobles be.
Isn't she the girl from the coffee shop that said she drank too much coffee and it stunted her growth?
@@Julia-jc6xu He talks about it in the video
@@Spicy_Pacifist ah, totally missed that :|
This is what I get for commenting before watching the video.
i thinks Miri/Mop girl is 23. Bean is 19. They could be cousins if she's Yog's. Bean was disappointed when she had no cousins in Maru.
I didn’t even notice the bear cub or Rulo’s crown
I didn’t really think about any of this... until now. Like my mind is blown
I caught Rulo's crown but I totally missed the bear cub.
Fr , I also forgot ursula ( one of zogs lover ) can transform from bear to human so it could be a possibility also the way the hair is shaped adds more to it for it to be his kid lol
@@bunnyfloluv9378 I´ve theorized Ursula and Zogg might ended having a child, but seems is now canon.
don’t forget when you were talking about Bean being a connection between Dreamland and Maru and Elfo being one between the Ogres and the Elves it’s looking like Luci is going to be the connection between heaven and hell since at the end of part 3 he is dead and in heaven i think he will become some sort of reverse lucifer where he becomes an angel from a demon or something maybe that’s why they made his name Luci even
I’m thinking about putting together a Luci video soon too!
Are you referring to Lucifer from the show? Luci is gonna be like him you say?
OMG duh!! Why didn't I think of that. A reverse Lucifer aka Luci. Brilliant.
@@Johnny2Cellos this could totally work with Maura connecting the mermaids and steam land (or even dreamland if she gets with bean)
Or Maru x dreamland
Isn't there some line of dialog saying that "trogg" is spelled with an "o" with a slash through it, just like Dreamland kings?
Indeed.
Yes, and if you watch it with subtitles on it's always written like Trøg
Whaaaaatttt? Confirmed
Trøg is alsø a shørtened versiøn øf Trøglødyte, which is a cave-dwelling creature. While this cøuld alsø be a mis-direct, it fits easily within yøur theøry.
We already know about the elf king, and a Trog would fit that well, so would Elfo and Bean getting together, but I don't think they should go in that direction.
Neat theory. Definitely connects dots and it is a little weird that we’ve never seen her ears. I’d be down for a big bombshell like that maybe at the end of part 4
Wont be a bombshell now though. Even if you weren't convinced of the theory, youve now heard it. That by itself will lessen the impact.
After this the finale had the be the most satisfying thing
This aged well you basically ended up being right about everything.
An excellent theory. You pointed out many things that I had not noticed throughout the series.
Something I'm still wondering is the hidden meaning behind Mora the Mermaid's song to Bean. I still think those lyrics are hinting at something that is to come.
I think you're right!
Doesn’t the castle have a ton of mermaid and sea like design? And there is already a theory that they’re half mermaid.
What could that mean?
@@Duncaster but it is deep..
@Elijah Neil facts
@@Duncaster I beg you to reconsider
If Elves are the rightful citizens of Dreamland, I can’t wait to see how that will effect Bean and Elfo’s relationship. Season 4 will definitely be an interesting one.
if we get one 🙁🙁🙁 trust issues in tv shows from gravity falls hekp
@@sssleepyeloiseee have I got news for you XD
@@mynamejeff4064 IK IM RLLY EXCITED!!, 4 DAYS
@@sssleepyeloiseee DONT WANNA WAIT
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This aged like fine wine. Literally gave us more explanation here than part 5.
I just thought of something!!
The way Miri was sitting on the throne was weirdly terrifying, looks like she may be a threat to dreamland. She's been a remaining character the whole series. Remember when Bunty said to bean "When the Revolution comes, we will rise up and kill you all."? This could mean the servants of dreamland are planning to attack dreamland sometime in the future!!
yeah, im glad im not the only one who thought it was quite unsettling the way she sat there. and put that in line with all the other weird and terrifying quips she says, I wouldn’t put it past her.
Interestingly, the moment where Miri is ominously sitting on the throne is explicitly mentioned in the audio description version of the episode, drawing some attention to it : "a view descends below the floor. Passing vip and vap riding mercimer, Mop girl on the throne, old man Touchy in the dungeon, it heads deep underground to the trog-town cell."
I sometimes listen to audio description version when I am doing housework and cannot full focus on watching Netflix. In my opinion, audio descriptions have to be very precise and concise with what to mention regarding background activities and what to ommit, therefore often highlighting actions that have greater significance later in a series or movie.
The mentioning of Miri on the throne seemed odd at first, but after watching this nice theory video it makes much more sense.... 👸🤨
Hold up what is this audio description thing? (I also like to Netflix and clean, but yeah i just usually listen to the audio)
@@Mugruncher "Audio description is the auditory narration of visual representations such as television programs, films and live performances. During gaps in dialogue, it describes visual elements such as scenes, settings, actions and costumes.."
On Netflix you can find it quite often in "audio and subtitles". I have the feeling, Netflix upped its game in this area over the last years that I have been a costumer, which is great as it is an important step towards inclusivity and accessibility for visually impaired persons.
Happy Netflix and cleaning! 🙂
@@regniliezj6445 THANK YOU 😊
@@regniliezj6445 hell yeah for accessibility, and for abled people finding helpful uses too!
Just like dropped kerbs (aka curb cuts in America) and buggies (aka strollers)!
Coming back to this after the series finale is so surreal X'D
Well, I sure hope Johnny picks up that phone; b’cause HE FRIGGIN’ CALLED IT!
Its the way he got everything about miri right im crying 😭😭😭
dude it's amazing how much you got right. props to you man
If Trog was the king that dethroned the elves then how was there a huge line of kings before him? What did they rule?
Like many kingdoms throughout history, all the rulers before Trog probably moved their territory to someplace else because of whatever reason but idk
Maybe wanted to Expanded their land ? or want some sort of power seems to be the best likely reason, which means they had another castle before, maybe the one where Bean found the body of the prince in the pigs body lmao.
I don't think he dethroned the elves, since they had their own king anyway and even throne rooms and it only mentions citizens of dreamland not rulers. I belive it means he ran the elves out of their true homeland aka dreamland. It would make sense that elves and humans once lived together and both had their own kings, maybe there where way more elves than humans but one day the humans raised up and took all of dreamland for themselves.
I think myabe the book derek start reading was backwards
Like you know. Zog is in the first page and trog in the last
Plot twist: his name isn’t King Trog it’s Travis
Seeing this after the finale is hilarious, well done!
This feels like Star Vs the forces of evil, where the "monsters" are the rightful rules of the land and humans just took it over
*Mewmans
THIS MAN CALLED IT, MATE! CONGRATS!!! 🥳
YOU WERE ON THE MONEY! Just finished watching the finale. She mentioned she didnt know what she was and who her parents are and i think you solved that too
Although there are only two mentioned, I've noticed that the the female Elves/Trogs names end in an I (sound as least) (Kissy/Trixy- even if Kissy later calls herself Kissandra) whereas the males have an "O" Miri's name seems to follow that pattern as well.
nice observation! it ties even more to the fact that the elves and trogs are related
You were incredibly right! Bravo!
What's your prediction on tonight's lotto numbers?
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I'm starting to believe that this guy is a timer traveller.
Wow you knew this before season 5
Before season 4, even!
You know what would be funny, all of these races and countries unite, they build one giant castle, and it just gets destroyed by Bender.
With season 5 dropping last week this aged extremely well
Damn. Now watching the show ending SO MANY PREDICTIONS ARE REALLY CLOSE! Nice work!
in part 4 when odval asks miri to clean up she says "the casserole or the whole diplomatic situation?" foreshadowing how she could be the one to fix the prblem w the elves and humans, presumably because she's half elf half human :D
Did you notice, that the kings of Dreamland seem to be named alphabetically? From Agogg to Zog - from A to Z. And the king befoe Zog was named Yog.
So we can say - approximatelly - when Trog ruled and when the elves were driven away.
It also leaves the line of succession after Zog open. They don't seem to want to restart the alphabet. After all, neither of Zogs children has a name that starts with an A...
I feel like there's something to the fact his first child starts with B and his second child starts with D. Skipping a letter so that a new curse couldn't be made? does thin hint at Zog's Bear-child having a name that starts with F?
@@plumtucker9514 Fog
Just finished the Finale
You were right on the money
Dude, seriously. I had to come here right now to bow to you.
BTW that was actually good finale to the series. It was to me like Game of Thrones finale season if writers woud be competent. Similar ending, but made every aspect absolutely right, evet tho I kinda fell like this should be at least two more seasons, but they got only one, so it was little bit in hurry. But yet it might be best season of this show.
I’m so glad Disenchantment has a bunch of hidden stuff like Futurama did! I’m also glad this show finally found its voice with part 3, I anticipate it will only be up from here!
This works, I was going to say that she might not be the rightful ruler, but the future one.
Her being half elf fits the motiv of the show and the lore.
Good catch.
Yeah especially since they keep hinting at revolution and a socialist utopia. I think Miri is a part of a secret magic club who seek to overthrow unjust rulers
the way i watched this 2 years ago and its come true
watching after s4, its mental how much stuff this vid correctly picks up on
Bro was cooking, bro was cooking an entire 78 course menu. With gas water. And garlic bread.
This aged surprisingly well
i've also noticed another thing in part 3. in that puppet store where zog went so he can actually talk, the person behind the desk kinda looked like dagmar, not to forget that there is a trog puppet underneath the desk
Oh that was almost definitely Dagmar. It looks and sounds like her, the Trog was present, and something I noticed on rewatch is it's Dagmar's voice (which Zog thinks is just him hearing things, but since it's Dagmar there's a good chance it isn't) that leads Zog to escape the castle and eventually wander to the puppet shop
There's an old Matt Groening interview on UA-cam. He says that "The very first thing you see gives you a clue of the entire nature of what you're watching". The first thing we see on this show is the castle so
I think that the crown theory makes sense.
Well, you called it.
But I'm pissed they didn't really explain who, what, where, why about her apart from, she's mop girl
You. Absolute. Madman.
Bro was on point!
Some other observations from S3:
- Merkimer (in human but bewildered form) was released by Bean from the Carnival cages. He was actually in Steamland all this time.
- The Trogs also appear in Bentwood, as you can see in the quick montage of the floor plan. They maybe have underground networks between realms?
Merkimer was in Steamland? Now i have to rewatch it
Just watched season 4 and wow, good catch on Bear Boy in this video.
insane prediction man, good job xD
funny to find this after season 5
Awesome video. I just noticed that Yog's statue quote says "Poisoned by Love and Arsenic". Maybe Mop Girl is his daughter....with an elf. And that he was eventually killed because he fell in 'love' with an elf.
You was posined by the secret society Odval and Socereo are part of.
And there it is.
Having watched the finale, I'll save this to working playlist just to enjoy how right you were
Hi Johnny, what are your thoughts on the relationship between Mermaid Island and Dreamland?
In _P3:E6 "Last Splash",_ Mora mentions how the mermaids fled to their new home, Mermaid Island, when talking about the constellation and the _Battle of Falling Water._ We know that one of the key features of Dreamland is the waterfall by the castle, so could the name of the battle be referring to Dreamland's waterfall?
When Bean is introduced as Zøg's daughter to the other mermaids, they murmur among themselves until the Mermaid Queen says that she's "okay". Mora also hints at a potential future war in her song to Bean.
Thus, based on these two points, it seems that the mermaids and humans of Dreamland may have (had) some bad blood between them due to Dreamland-related reasons.
Holy cow, this video is insanely good.
Free video idea is the cards the fortune teller pulls for Elfo and how it foreshadows some stuff 😉
Ooh will def look into that :)
And thank you!
About this.. This aged like wine
I tell you what (a la hank hill) if they make Miri the ruler then the ending will be a million times better than anything Game of Thrones did.
How do you feel now?
Brooooo, hey it’s me from the end of the series and dammm did you nail this one!
Your Theory was correct like dang man that's crazy! Congratulations!!
In Spanish she's called fregonella (moparella) which I think it's a really cool name having that similar arc to Cinderella of change from the mop girl to be the Queen
this aged gracefully
you simpson-forecasted matt groening
Just finished the last season and came across this video.
Well speculated. 😁
Lol that’s fucking crazy 2 years later the theory was right in it’s own way
Just omg i just saw the season and spoliers.
You were right.
I saw this and was like “yeah, we just saw it happen?” And then I realized this was from two years ago and DAMN YOU CALLED IT
Well, it wasn't really confirmed that mop girl was a descendent of Ogs and elfs, but it was implied that, and she indeed ended being the ruler
Congrats, you're a prophet
This guy defo used the crystal ball to time travel cuz how he got them all right lmao
so this aged like fine wine.
Woah you nailed a lot of these predictions. You did miss the symbolism of the crown being too big for Bean’s head, though.
i purposefully came back to enjoy this video, even tho i never for a moment had forgotten about ur speculation about mop girl. although i HAD forgotten about ur theory about her being half elf. i was shocked when i saw u got so many details right. this video is seriously genius
I remember this video quite clearly but I had to watch it again, it was very solid back then, and it's very solid now, and now that we got confirmation with the finale, I hope you make a sequel to it, what could come next for Dreamland?
I've had a feeling for a long time now that she would end up having an important role in the story at some point. This theory definitely makes sense to me. The way she's always showing up in the backgrounds and in prominent scenes makes her feel like they have something planned for her.
Coming back to this two years later after the finale, wow did you call it
Congrats for getting it right! 🎉
YOU WERE RIGHT
THIS MAN IS FROM THE FUTURE
Just finished the last episode can't believe this turned out to be right lol
After watching this video, and now the newest season.. I can confirm that you are a gifted person in the art of theorycraft
Bro was playing the long game, and guessed right
Johnny you’re the best! You deserve everything!
maybe its just me, but youtube says this comment is 12 hours old. Video was posted 24 minutes ago.
@@dylancostello1103 wait ya that's really weird
We’re a cult
@Sylvia Falls it's a cool video though 😜
I find this very unsettling and creepy that you got EVERYTHING right 2,5 years before the last season released
What the fuck, finished the last season, then this popped up in my recommended
Wine doesn't age as well as this. Grats on calling it two years ago.
I love theories like this because the amount of logical links make it seem extremely plausible.
However, I'm now always wary of well thought out theories because I strongly believe that too many theories is the reason game of thrones was absolutely RUINED.
It felt like the writers were like "see, none of you expected that!". Theres a reason nobody expected that, imaginary GoT writer; it's a shit idea.
I hope it doesnt happen to disenchantment, too
Haha I hope this isn't the case too. I just try not to let theories dictate my expectations. Star Wars is a franchise that comes to mind with people's expectations limiting their enjoyment
Keep in mind, it wasn't just that there were lots of theories. There were plot threads that existed that the writers did nothing with (most likely because they forgot) and the characters stopped acting like themselves right near the end. There's a lot of issues with the way GoT ended xD but honestly, it seems like with Disenchantment's foreshadowing, they are moving towards a very, VERY specific ending. And it's absolutely great, knowing that they DO have an end in mind :)
Yeah, I’ve much more respect for shows that continue their plans (and say “well done those who noticed the hints!”) rather than those who change plans to bamboozle fan theories, which creates a totally disjointed narrative.
The only time I can stand it is DS9 with Dukat, and even that isn’t bamboozling per-se, more just “stop predicting a redemption arc, we are NOT doing a redemption arc” to varying degrees over a couple subsequent appearances… until they finally make him an evilly ranting madman, rather than have any fans misread his plausibly-deniable yet self-serving opportunistic-assistance for another time.
Johnny is an oracle and he'd better buy a lottery ticket. Fantastic work Mr Cellos
I’ve always thought there was something about her from her first appearance onscreen! Something about the way they were always careful to place her in the background...
You mopped it up! Great vid, ages really well
this aged well :P