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That's what hurts me the most about her. Everybody treated her like she was done with, but she was 31. That is SO young. She could have gone to college for 4-6 years and still have so much life ahead of her. She had time.
The worst part was probably that he waited 17 mins… Something we didn’t know until a later episode where he was interviewed…. But it’s just so wrong that she could have lived but he selfishly called 17 mins later due to his fear of the consequences. It’s legit disgusting.
@@Eet_Mia absolutely! We all have time, as long as we're alive. People change careers at 40, move at 50, marry again at 60. Tiktok just makes you feel like 25 is old
@@Eet_Miatotally. My favorite writer started to write novels when he was 55 and won a Nobel prize in his 70s. He also met the love of his life when he was 60.
when you realize that sarah lynn wasnt begging to go to the planetarium because she loved the stars, she was begging to go because she was fascinated by the structure/dome.
also id just like to add, Ophelia's death was considered the most avoidable death in all of Shakespeare's writings, similar to how Sarah Lynn's death was completely avoidable.
And it happened to Ophelia because she was in a vulnerable place but hamlet refused to help only focusing on his problems Bojack makes the same mistake
Ophelia’s death was really hard hitting. At first she stayed afloat seemingly calm like nothing could disturb her peace…. until her dress slowly soaked became heavier and dragged her down into her inevitable demise
Gawd. Those handwritten notes she has taped up around her mirror in her dressing room when Bojack goes to visit Sarah Lynn: "I am in charge of my own destiny", "Mega-fame does not define me." She was trying so hard to just be a person at that point, and Bojack re-enters her life and ultimately brings all the poison back up. The writing on this show is so good.
I feel bad for the people who thought they were getting a light-hearted comedy. As while this show is one of the best animated shows ever made, it is the opposite of light-hearted, and rarely a comedy.
Sarah Lynne: *Her life is turning for the better.* Bojack: *I’m about to end this woman’s whole career* Okay it’s not all Bojack’s fault, lots of people in this show is truly not a bad person, not even Bojack’s mum isn’t truly just a bad person, everyone has a story.
@@skylarthompson299 except bojack's dad who unfortunately never really had a fleshed out backstory like bojack's mum. In a way that makes his behaviour worse than Beatrice because we never see a reason for it.
@@alexvaughan1013 I never even thought of this! And while Pete does stop repeating his words as the situation becomes more serious, Bojack doesn't, which sort of leads into Pete becoming a more mature person while Bojack does the most irresponsible thing he could do in thos scenario.
even having seen it in a few video essays already and knowing exactly how it was paced out, something about cutting to black and removing the last remaining bit of background noise still caused it to hit me right in the core
@@alexvaughan1013 Something that I like about Pete Repeat is that when he comes back to the show (if only briefly) we see that he stopped repeating things altogether. That, plus how he perfectly guides Hollyhock through her panic attack, solidified how his repetition was not just a quirky tic, but a symptom of a nervous disorder he had. Those tiny, blink-and-you'll-miss-it details make the pain this show doles out so much fun.
@@MxDae yess I totally agree, but didn't Pete have to actively force his repetition? I thought it was just him trying to make himself known for something rather than an involuntary nervous tic
I’d like to point out that at one point when Bojack and Sarah Lynne crash into someones play house or something, Sarah Lynne points out that it was badly built and then proceeds to show some pretty impressive understanding of the principles of engineering and architecture. This shows that her desire to be an architect wasnt simply a drug-fuelled, transitory whim, she actually really wants to do it, and she has the talent for it. Makes it way more sad for me.
And then you also realise when she wanted to go to the observatory, it wasn't because she was interested in astrology or stars but more so impressed by the actual building structure itself. It's so sad :(
Also (I don’t remember which episode) but there is a flashback to the backstage where Sara Lynn voices to the people around her that she wants to be an architect but her mother instead says no and laughs at her.
@@hero_bat8823 Yh that's "Prickly Muffin"! And its way back as well, season 1 episode 3. Its crazy that the producers of the show were thinking about Sarah Lynn's fate as far back as the third episode
It made it EXTREMELY sad for me... she repeats a loooot of times that she wants to be an architect in that episode. Even her last words mentioned something about it :( it made me cry like a baby
@@user-gd1tp2tc1d the substance of what I'm saying is that Herb clearly cared about Sarah Lynn and would've been a great role model and father figure but was fired from the show much too soon
The title and the phrase "that's too much man" always gives me chills, Sarah Lynn died of an overdose of heroin called Bojack...... it was literally too much man
The phrase is taken verbatim from what s lot of addicts' last words were after inadvertently taking product that was too pure, or laced with more powerful synthetics, like fentanyl.
@@bodofzt that sentence alone is soo foreshadowing. Horse is a slang word for heroin, she overdoses on heroin. She overdoses on heroin called “Bojack” (-> horse), and Bojack Horseman is the reason she overdoses, he is like a drug that she keeps coming back to but that eventually kills her, damn. And all in one sentence.
I think the biggest show of Bojack's ego in this episode if how he completely expected Penny to still be suffering because of what he did. Bojack is so self-centered that he couldn't imagine her moving on, just like how DECADES after seeing Charlotte, he expected her to be waiting for him, like she just stayed frozen in time until Bojack searched for her.
I think for BoJack he had a very warped perception about how he affected people. His parents and his mom especially, fed him the idea that all the abuse she gave him was because of him, amd how he ruined her life. He was always made to feel like the one to blame. And when he messed up or hurt someone close to him, it hurt him, but at the same time he thinks of course I hurt them. I was born a horrible person. I think part of him expects people to be hung up on what he did, because other people have in his past (Herb), and he was conditioned to expect that.
Yeah after finishing the show and it's been done for a while, all Bojack's crimes are starting to really hit making me hate him rather than feel sorry for him for being so dumb.
Let's not forget Bojack waited 17 minutes before he called the ambulance. 17. MINUTES. And before then, he made sure to call his phone with Sarah Lynn's for 2 minutes to create an alibi all so he wouldn't have to deal with it. Saddest thing is that Sarah Lynn was still alive albeit barely, but she was unconscious n would've lived if Bojack hadn't been so goddam selfish
@@fecomate2542 Be that as it may, you'd expect seeing someone whom you claimed to care about in such a critical condition will prompt u to act quickly and take any chance to save her life. Even though he thought she was dead then, he didn't check her pulse, he didn't call the ambulance immediately thinking maybe there's a chance n hopes of rescuing her. Yes, we thought she was already dead, but we didn't know Bojack intentionally spent 19 minutes before calling help till later. He only thought of himself and took his time to cover his tracks while Sarah died alone. No matter how u look at it, Bojack's actions at that moment were unjustified.
@@syrusangi8743 we don't know what happened in that 17 minutes. He propably checked her pulse, and panicked, then tried to cover his tracks. He made a rational decision based on the information he believed to be true. Was it a good or morally good decision? No. Not at all. Was it an evil or selfish decision? No.
@@fecomate2542 Sorry but I have to disagree with u. Sarah Lynn would never had been in that situation if it weren't for Bojack. You'd say she was her own adult, but she was in a vulnerable position being a recovering drug addict who lived a difficult life n was mentally unstable while trying to keep herself sober till Bojack called her n enabled her into an aggressive relapse. Then when things went south, he decided to bail again n left his friend in a mess, like he always did. This was exactly what Johnny explained in his video about Bojack's toxic cycle of his rash n inconsiderate actions towards his friends in the facade of 'apologizing' but leaving them in a worst situation than before. I know you're trying to understand Bojack n putting urself in his shoes dealing with that incident, but it's not just one incident it's a cycle that he continues to play into on n on till he becomes self aware n then it's too late. Bojack needed to stop making excuses n needed to start making genuine n considerate actions to change. Not to say that he never made good decisions or helped people before, but we'd be lying if we said his bad actions didn't outweigh the good ones most often. Things had to change
Kristen Schaal is honestly such an underrated voice actress. She's in Gravity Falls, Bob's Burgers, BoJack Horseman and so much more and does a phenomenal job in all of these roles
Her voice is pretty iconic, even with different characters you can hear smth in the voice that's just her. I was watching cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2 with my siblings and as soon as that orangutan opened its mouth I was like, omg is that her? And lo and behold, it was
@@Leapingriver ...which is kind of the thing that bothers me about her tbh - like yes, she's great at voice acting, but Mabel was the first role I ever heard her in and no matter which character she voices I just see Mabel, even if she is performing a different personality o.o
@@ayior sounds like a you problem lol /s. Her voice is distinct but like, shes not just Mable from GF. She prob could try harder to make each role more distinct, since there are VAs with incredibly diverse voices. But I think it's part of her voices charm
Also, it was the “Bojack” heroin that killed her, which is a pretty overt message that Bojack was literally the death of Sarah Lynn. I was shocked by how little concern he showed that she was taking it, considering he had seen the corpse of a killer whale who overdosed on that same heroin (and why did he even have it???)
I think Bojack not being alarmed by the drug might be symbolism for how he doesn't see people being around him is destroying them. He doesn't see others taking him in as an issue, hence why he's so laid back about Sarah Lynn taking it.
Not only that, Sarah Lynn's lifestyle was based on the "dont stop dancing" mantra, and that led her into drugs n shit, but BoJack said it to Sarah Lynn and BJ's mother said it to him. The series is interesting because it also shows how generational abuse impacts the whole family. It started by showing the abuse that Beatrice endured and this sort of makes me feel BAD for Beatrice. She did a bit better than her father did (I can't even fault her mother who only has half a mind) but she was still awful. It does put things into perspective tho...
It's tragic that Sara Lynn didn't die alone nor with fear yet her death was still the fault of the man she sought comfort from. She slipped away on Bojack's shoulder and he was too self-absorbed in his monologue to acknowledge her passing until he failed to get a response to his speech. Even then, it was all about his ego.
I’ve been rewatching season 6 and I just stopped feeling bad for Bojack. He claimed that Sarah Lynn was the only girl he loved but he waited seventeen minutes until he called for help. I can’t forgive him or even root for him anymore.
And what’s worse is that the writers hinted that he waited the 17 minutes when he told PC that he covered his tracks. We should have known. I wanted to give him so much credit up until 17 minutes.
It explains why in Seasons 4 and 5, when even when things go better for BJ, guilt and self-loathing still plague him. Since he covered up a funking murder and kept the guilt all to himself.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING OPHELIA. It’s so weird that I have not met anyone so far who picked up on that. There was, I believe, another reason why the “Ophelia” painting was used. Sarah Lynn was a tragic, Ophelia type. Ophelia had no agency of self in “Hamlet,” and she was torn between the duties of to her father/family and the love she had for Hamlet. Sarah Lynn is like this as well: no agency of herself, torn between the love of the people and the longing for her own life. Bojack aided in her madness, and ignored her own struggles, much like Hamlet when he confronts Ophelia. The poor thing had no one to turn to, and her turmoil drove her to her death. And much like Ophelia, this death came as no surprise, because previously Ophelia was seen as “mad with heartbreak,” and in Sarah Lynn’s case, she was “just another drug abuser, just another sad celebrity.” I applaud the writers of this show for being so brave and so honest with their story. Thank you for the breakdown!
Adding onto the Ophelia painting, there's a theory that Gertrude-Hamlet's mom-was the one who killed her or at least saw her dying and didn't do anything about it. She's the one to explain that Ophelia had fallen into the brook from a broken branch. This could connect to Bojack obviously ignoring Sarah Lynn's problems. He watches as she drowns in the river but doesn't do anything to stop it.
@@sydeLPS Bojack also "stands by" as Sarah Lynn literally dies. She dies even after the paramedics arrive who themselves were alerted after several minutes of Sarah Lynn being unconscious.
@@afish4086 Multiple sources, including the BBC, state that her death was from an overdose. She did in fact catch pneumonia due to that painting, but her father threatened legal action and forced the painter to pay for her medical bills, also the model's husband was Dante Gabriel Rossetti, and the painter of Ophelia was John Everett Millais.
Wow it took until you said it to make me realize Bojack has NEVER really apologized to Todd for all the crappy things he's done to him over the years... More and more GOOD for Todd for being the first one to really cut him out of his life and not let him back in
Even when he was making a list of every bad thing he'd ever done, Bojack didn't write down the things he'd done to Todd. Todd HIMSELF had to add all the shitty things Bojack had done to him to the whiteboard. Not only won't Bojack apologize to Todd, he won't even acknowledge that he's hurt him in the first place.
@@porcelainghoul I think it's not that he won't acknowledge the worst thing he's done to Todd and it's even worse (remember what he said to Diane during their Philbert premiere fight "those people I bet don't even remember") treating Todd terribly was such a constant for so long that most of it he doesn't even really remember it
@Abigail Slaughter honestly I don't think that was Todd opening door he's just got such a big heart of genuine kindness for everyone that he didn't want to see even bojack upset As for PC the basis of their relationship has been taking care of him she's done with him professionally and now has a business a child and a husband to take care of
Seeing how Bojack ignores and interrupts Sarah Lynn throughout the episode just makes her last statement to bojack in "the view from halfway down" make more sense. "Nah ah ah. Bojack, this is my time"
he also sees himself as the center of this tragedy, like Diane implied in "Head in the Clouds": "tell me, how are you the victim of the Sarah Lynn's story?"
And the thing about that episode is, deep down, Bojack really did see Sarah Lynn as a beautiful, creative, intelligent artist. And that did absolutely nothing to stop him from hurting her.
@@sexytrashfire like he sees himself as the protagonist in a friged woman trope. She goes through such tragedy and pain, but what she feels doesn't matter in the story. Just the guilt or "pain" of he as the main character.
@@kiriki4558 exactly. BJ is the one who gets damaged, but never notices himself damaging someone else. speaking of "woman trope", i like how the show subverts the heteronormative cliche of two main characters of opposite sex being together no matter what, when BoJack was hoping he and Diane will get along romantically in season 1, but she in fact has different priorities, so the glorious male protagonist is not the one she will choose eventually
Bojack having sex with Sara Lynn is one of his lowest moments and you can only fully understand how wrong that was until much later. I remember the first time I saw it that it was really bad that he was having sex with a woman he knew since she was a little girl. Like, I understood it was messed up but on a comedy show like bojack horseman seemed to be on its first episodes, you tend to go with it. Like two and a half men for example. The more you know about Sara Lynn and her relationship with Bojack, how everyone in her life failed to care for her and her interests, then it dawns on you how messed up it truly was that he thought it was a good idea at all to have sex with her. I dont remember the name of the episode but would you do a video on the episode where Princess Carolyn loses her baby, and imagines her great great great granddaughter talking about her in the future?
Tw sexual abuse and spoiler alert . . . Particularly considering the shows implications that her stepdad sexually abused her and then here comes another father figure to re-enact that trauma
Sarah Lynn is one of those characters that I will always remember for the rest of my life. Her story is so tragic but its so realistic (minus the fame). She was my favorite: and honestly when I saw the Ophelia painting in the beginning I already started crying as I knew this show was foreshadowing her demise. She is brilliantly written character, and a great reminder of what substance abuse can lead to. EDIT: When I said the fame wasn't realistic I was referring to the fact that any of us can fall victim to substance abuse- but not all of us get to be this big celebrity before or after. Yes it is realistic to the Child Star Trope, I was just saying unfortunately not all of us can be famous. :) sorry for the confusion
It reminds me so much of the life of the actress Dana Plato from Diff’rent Strokes. I’m 100% convinced that the Bojack writers drew inspiration from that instance of a child actress succumbing to drug relapse.
The only thing is I wish she was less outwardly rude and antagonistic to people at points, literally vandalising or cussing people out for little reason.
@@sommerblume9671 yea: that has to do with her fame for sure lol getting everything you want and expecting everyone to move for you is the kind of big ego you get while famous especially since she states she's been on TV since the age of 3. I wish she wasn't rude like that too: but its to be expected out of a child star who never outgrew the lime light.....even in death...
@@retrogoddess7902 Yeah that's true, but idk it's different? Arrogance and being pushy and ignorant I get when you're famous or accomplish things - almost everyone in the cast has done these things. But vandalism and cussing people out always makes me wince, it's like watching a teen lashing out just to lash out without caring, except she's 30 and stuck in the past. She deserved so much better.
@@arnigeir1597 I feel like it’s all three of them. Her mother only cared about using her for fame and money, it’s heavily implied that her stepdad molested her, and Bojack was a terrible and enabling influence on her basically her whole life. They all contributed to her death in a way.
@@Johnny2Cellos I think there might be a connection to the woman who modeled for the painting as well. I remember seeing a video (I believe by 'Nerdwriter') who talked about how the model suffered in the industry and was used by artists. She died at 32 and it's speculated that she may have overdosed or even committed suicide.
I think it's amazing how you've said something most people end up skipping on: Bojack's good moments with Sarah Lynn, the speech, aren't about her. Are about him. Is what he thinks about his famous life, and he associates this life with his famous "friend". On "the view from halfway down" it's amazing how they portrait Sarah Lynn always wondering about her fame, success, and how she would be remembered, but that wasn't her. That was what Bojack's mind associated with her, in his delusion. He never even knew Sarah Lynn, and yet, he could destroy her life
@@deepeka134 He loved her worst. Sarah Lynn was always this one person he could perceive as equally messed up and damaged as himself, despite the fact that he himself helped shaping her that way since she was a little girl. What he loved was always the way he saw himself in her.
@@deepeka134 i think the terrible part is that people can "love" you or at least they can say it and mean it when they say they feel it about you, yet actions always speak louder then words. Sometimes people dont understand its not just a word its an action as well. And while bojack was willing to say it he was never willing to put the action behind it to show her until it was to late.
That scene, as dark as it was, was made even darker when we found out that Bojack could have gotten Sarah Lynn help, as she wasn't immediately dead. But instead he chose to panic and try to create a narrative where he wouldn't be to blame, thus delaying calling someone to help Sarah Lynn.
I can't believe they choose to reveal that fact, in any other show it would just come across as edgy and shocking to go THAT far with making an already dark moment even more messed up so far down the line, but this show delivers these moments in a way where you feel like you just discovered a horrible secret about your best friend or something, where it's just a punch to the face and you have to spend months thinking about it before you really understand how to react Bojack's whole arc and the further revelations about these dark shocking moments in the show just leave me feeling sick in a completely real way that no other show has ever came to close to
And he could have accomplished the same craven goal in about a minute rather than 17 minutes by calling himself from Sarah Lynn's phone, hanging up, and calling 911 right away: "I just got a call from my friend; I think she's in trouble." That still would have been a contemptible action, and it still would have wasted precious time, but it would not have been nearly as disastrous. They really is nothing to say other than that this is all too much, man!!!
to be fair he thought she was already dead... it is a distinct difference. if he knew she was sitll alive and was luscid enough to have checked a pulse, he would not have made a cover story and would ahve rushed her to the hospital. But.. he t hought it was too late, and sealed her fate by acting in his own interest.
I actually think that adding the bit abour 17 minutes was pretty bullshit. In the planetarium, he was on drugs, and he was sure she is dead in that moment. And "chose to panic"? Wtf dude, you don't "chose to panic".
Something that I think is very interesting is the wording in Sarah-lynns final words. She didn’t say she “wanted” to be a architect, she said “I wanna be a architect” as if she believed she still could’ve been after it all, and the saddest part is that she probably still could’ve been one if she truly wanted to get clean, and it clearly wasn’t just some drunken wish or whatever because of her interest in domes and the way she talked to those playhouse people, as Sarah lynns famous quote goes. “That’s too much man.”
There is one thing that bothers me about the discussion surrounding Bojacks relationship with Sarah Lynn, is that people seem to forget the fact that it's her mom's and step dad's abuse that causes Bojack to be this father figure to her, something he never should have been in the first place.
Honestly, I don’t really see how that’s relevant. You can only judge a relationship by the relationship itself. If somebody does a shitty thing, how that situation came about isn’t really relevant if they still made the decision to do the shitty thing. I think people just want to absolve BoJack of blame
@@Johnny2Cellos No, Bojack still did plenty of bad, I'm arguing that your messed up drunk older co-actor is clearly not a father figure to rely on. People sometimes act as if he was her real parent and not some unrelated guy who was around in her childhood and then only occasionally after.
I don’t think him being a father figure really has all that much to do with him being a shitty friend. It’s a factor in the dynamic, but remove the father figure aspect and BoJack is still just being a bad person and friend to Sarah Lynn
Also that specific painting of Ophelia, the model for Ophelia herself (Elizabeth Siddall) was the inspiration for a lot of pre-raphelite paintings simply because all the painters thought she was beautiful, they didn’t care about her much at all except as an object and this is shown in the fact that John Everett-Millais made her stay in the bath so long to model for that painting that she got hypothermia and nearly died. Pretty good analogy for Sarah Lynn’s life, every person viewed her as an object and used her for their own needs without any regard for her wellbeing
I first watched this series in 2018 when I was getting into a toxic friendship where I was pulled into substance abuse, I’m only now rewatching it after I ended that friendship cos it always gave me a weird feeling and I’m wondering if watching it again can help me get out of my weed addiction or at least help convince my brain it’s not worth it. It definitely is a different type of cartoon I will say, pulls on emotions haha
The thing that always got me about this episode is how it starts is so comedic and almost light hearted (you know, for a Bojack Horseman episode). Like when Sarah Lynn immediately starts drinking after BJ calls and when she punches the wall to snort the dry wall; it just pulled a laugh out of me because, especially when its the first time you see this episode, you think it's just gonna be another episode about hijinks on narcotics episode that's meant to maybe to cut through the mood of the episodes that happend before. But at some point, it starts to slowly get worse, and you start to realize this is wrong, but not in the "funny haha look at them cause trouble while turnt" way of wrong. To me, it felt like it took me on the bender with them, in a way. You only realize the slope was to slippery by the time you're half way down...
ghost party manipulative people and users are arguably villains though. He’s a toxic main character and I applaud the show for making us care, when in real life if we knew someone like this we’d do well to stay away from.
I'd like to point out how bojack never called her Sarah, always "Sarah Lynn". Almost like he never really saw her as a friend as much as he saw her as a coworker or celebrity.
@@peachy-wd6ci it might be because hes used to referring to people by their full names bc he was such a big former celebrity, so he never really stopped? idk someone else could probably do a great deep dive on it lol
@@isaacpianos5208 Actually to be fair, everyone on the show calls PC, PB and SL by their full names. It's actually not super uncommon IRL either, I've met plenty of people who are usually addressed by their full names by everyone around them.
And after he realized she was in trouble, he waited 17 MINUETS before calling for help. Irl narcan would have likely been able to save her if he has called immediately. That is no better than manslaughter in my opinion. He should be in jail a lot longer than 18 months. He has proven over and over again to be a dangerous person. Also, did anyone else think that seeing BoJack triggered Penny's panic disorder? We actually don't even know what happened with college for her after that. Its possible she may not have been able to finish. That anxiety must have been unbearable.
There are Good Samaritan laws that protect people who call for help for the incapacitated and critically endangered people. If BoJack had contacted the authorities, he would’ve had access to legal protection, even if she had still died. But he put his fear of being criticised over Sarah Lynn’s life and effectively let her die.
@@hkazu63 exactly. Now we saw that his celebrity would have probably let him off the hook. Officer Fuzzyface didn’t even do an investigation. He probably would have been fine either way but like you said, he felt that people’s perception of him was more important than Sarah Lynn’s life. That is very scary
I believe it’s full on murder. If she died right there and there was nothing he could do, it would be manslaughter, but he knew he had time and still used that for his own selfish needs. That’s straight up murder imo
Bojack thought she was dead. He was convinced that SL has died, thats why he waited. Also how is this Bojacks fault? SL did this to herself. Sure BH is a bit responsible, but he didn't do anything against SLs will. Also both were drunk and high so that also changes things.
@@fecomate2542 "SL did this to herself" shows you lack a lot of knowledge about addiction. Not to mention the pattern of abuse of his power over younger, more vulnerable women (which is reiterated multiple times near the end of the last season). I suppose you'd say BH didn't take advantage of her when he had sex with her either cause she wanted it too. BH used SL. He didn't want to be alone on his binge so he took her down with him. At no point has SL ever really been in control of what happened to her, whether it was being born into stardom, or controlled by drugs, or used by people who had power over her (like bojack and her stepfather).
For me, the first time Bojack says "I don't know." Just before running away in that rushed and abrupt manner hurts more. It's filled with so much confusion and sadness it's crazy. Just like every other thing he's done, Will Arnett hit it out of the park with this one.
“We see Sarah Lynn start to drift in and out of consciousness, unaware that she was being taken away. It was gradual, and it caught up with her until she drifted off to sleep for the final time.” She deserved so much more. One of the worst tv deaths of all time. Probably top 5.
Its also accurate to actual narcissists in the fact that it requires some of the worst suffering a human can have to become this broken and malfunctioning
It was so heartbreaking was learning what really happened at the planetarium. We 1st thought Sarah Lynn died peacefully in her favorite place with her favorite person. But then we learn that she could have been saved, if it wasn’t for Bojack’s fear of being caught she could have had the chance to make a life change, to even go on to be an architect. But Bojack took that chance from her
i get what youre saying “peacefully” but im not too sure overdosing is that peaceful (but i totally agree, i thought it was oh shit sarah lynn died in bojacks arms, and slowly it turns into oh shit sarah lynn died in the mercy of bojacks hands)
I just noticed something else interesting. Sharona seemed to me to be a person who made Sarah Lynn feel safe on the set of Horsin Around bc she would probably make sure Sarah Lynn could have a place away from her parents and esp her stepdad (like her getting ready in Bojack's room), and then she got fired for Bojack's sake, meaning she just kept losing safe people to be around. She must have felt so alone..
Her father was being weird so she avoided him. She got drunk, and was even more vulnerable to his advances. He was a bear, and she knows what his fur tastes like..... Bojack introduced her to her addiction, and allowed the abuse to (most likely) escalate to any point. This could've been when he took those photos of her...
Another thing about the Ophelia painting is that the model for Ophelia, Elizabeth Siddal died of a drug overdose after her husband (the man who painted Ophelia) had been cheating on her and abusing her.
Oh getting into Elizabeth Siddal is a confusing mix. She either committed suicide by laudanum, died of tuberculosis or anorexia and even the role Dante Gabriel Rossetti played in it all is far from clear, either.
The general consensus seems to be it was most likely the drugs that killed her? But apparently she died at 32, *which is how old Sarah Lynn was when she died*
I just noticed the notes on Sarah Lynn’s wall in her dressing room next to the wigs: “I love me” “I am in charge of my own destiny” “Mega-fame does not define me”.
The sad things is that Sarah Lynn’s character reminds me of my 23 year old self when I moved to Los angels. I wasn’t a child actor, but I did have a serious partying problem that was enabled by washed up actors and screen play writers twice my age. I was lucky I didn’t die. VERY lucky come to think about it
On the Ophelia metaphor, it's also iportant to remember, in Hamlet, a large part of what fuels Ophelia's descent into insensibility is her distress over Hamlet's continual retreat further and further into himself as well as his inability to address her needs and her concerns. In this same way, Bojack's constant self-centered obsession with pathologically stressing over himself and his own problems deprives Sarah Lynn of much needed attention from her friend and leads to her suffocating under her vices.
Every character suffered throughout the show but Sarah Lynn always felt the most tragic. Even when she's in her early 30's, she comes across as a traumatized little girl. It kinda activated the paternal instinct in me and made me feel bad that nobody was protecting her.
I just rewatched the entire series for the first time since it ended (I was avoiding it because a lot is hard for me to watch; personal stuff) and I ended up SO angry with Bojack. The empathy I had for him really ran dry. That being said, what an absolutely fantastic story they told. There’s so much to admire. Waksberg, Hanawalt and all the others that contributed to the show are such gifted story tellers. When I tell you I think about that ending on the roof everyday, I’m not kidding 🤣 Great video! Nicely puts how I feel about Bojack into words.
Yass it’s an amazing show, but also don’t forget to always prioritize your triggers! The shock factor isn’t worth it if it will cause a trigger, so just be kind to yourself and respect your body’s red flags xoxo Idk if you actually need to hear this but sometimes it’s nice to have mantras repeated by an outsider lol
@@sarahni I also had to stop watching the show because it just made me feel like completely depressed and awful in a way no other show has. And while it has made me more introspective, I can't say that it's always the healthiest show.
Please do "Best Thing that Ever Happened" I truly think its the most underrated episode of the show and has some of the sharpest writing of any show period.
YEEEES finally some love for that episode it's so underrated we literally explore the whole relation between PC and bojack in such a clever 26min episode
Just looked up what episode that was, and yes that ep is fucking brilliant. I probably wouldn't put it that high on a list of favorites (cause there are so many brilliant episodes), but id agree with it being the most underrated.
the third “sarah lynn?” broke me. the way the music pauses. the cut to black. bojack’s pitch and volume both rise as he asks a third time. then a pure, bone-chilling silence.
That's honestly the only part of this episode that made me cry. That line and her existential, "W-what should I do? Am I doomed? Are you doomed?! All we all doomed?!"
@@aliceveil622 The whole show is full of moments that made me feel like I was completely messed up with how I relate. I never really cried though. I am pretty numb to a lot of things, cried too much when I was younger I guess lol
It's so bittersweet that "Right Sara Lynn?" still gets me emotional. I'm glad the writing and delivery is THAT good but hoo boy the random surge of emotions that come up with it.
i think that is adetail overlooked.... he thought she was already dead. bojack is the kinda man that would abuse all around him but die saving them as well. a person of extreme emotions and acts. but, he thought she was dead... and sealed her fate.
1:58 To be fair, when BoJack didn't bother to find the real Todd, he probably didn't know where to find Todd after he left him. But also, this represents how at this point, BoJack still couldn't see Todd as anything but the 'kid' who crashes on his couch. So he didn't use his 'detective skills' to find Todd like he did with Penny.
I liked how the kid's parents, like Sarah Lynn's, were happy to capitalize on the incident, and it was a nice follow-up to show him being interviewed in the montage starting the series finale.
Seems pretty obvious when spelled out in black and white, but i just realized why 12yo Sarah Lynn insisted to run to Bojack's dressing room of all places: she was seeking help FROM HIM SPECIFICALLY. Not anybody else, not Sharona, who might have been able to help if she had chosen to open up to her. Sarah Lynn seeking shelter at Bojack's was her silent plea for help to a man whom she considers to be her dad. She wanted BOJACK to rescue her from danger and abuse. And he was too self-absorbed to even aknowledge what was going on, let alone care about it. Everytime i watch this episode my heart breaks a little further.
Also, with Sarah Lynn and Ophelia, there's this graveyard scene where undertakes are discussing whether she drowned by accident or on purpose and how its her fault for going into the water but it's Hamlet's fault because he killed her father and told her not only he doesn't love her anymore but he never did and everyone said it was bound to happen with Sarah Lynn while we know it wasn't, she'd probably stay sober longer and enjoy her life. Also, how highly she values Bojack, she was siting in a house full of drugs but it was Bojacks request that made her break the sobriety And Ophelia didn't get to live her own life as well, she was dependent on her father and brother and Hamlet and she just did whatever she was told to do and had no say in it and no control over it,to the point that when she lost the decisive people she just died. or maybe it's like the coffee cup from Horsin Around, it's not that deep Also how she's always Sarah Lynn, no one calls her by her name because they all see her only as a star, not a person
Everyone always goes on and on about how she was an addict and everything, but the fact is, yeah, Sarah Lynn was months sober despite living in a house made of drugs! She had made a song that won an Oscar! She was genuinely doing better in her life and was prime for a comeback! And Bojack didn't care. He just needed someone to go down with him and he found her.
Apparently the woman who modelled for the Ophelia painting *died from a drug overdose at 32* which is the same age Sarah Lynn was, so I think it really is that deep
Since Sarah Lynn did tell BoJack previously that she was just going sober since the high would be so amazing when she went back to drugs, I don't think we're meant to believe her sobriety would have lasted. *But* Bojack was the inciting incident, and he should have done everything he could to help her stay sober. What he did was indeed irredeemable.
11:23 three years later and I no longer feel the same about Bojack's last monologue to Sarah Lynn. It gets less sad and extra dark when you recognize that you the viewer are taking in Bojack's perspective. He is the one who feels like she's not listening because she is non-responsive, immobilized. His speech projects his own insecurities onto her, as if he was trying to make sure she'd be able to carry his last words. She is the one who has her full life ahead of her, and the addict brain logic thinks he should be the one that died that night. He projects his fate onto her and leaves, condemning her to struggle against death alone for well over 17 minutes off-camera. The (lack of) depiction of Sarah Lynn's death, leaves the viewer with only the vibes of John Everett Millais' chilled out Ophelia to imagine her sadly and sweetly drifting into oblivion. But that's not how either of them die. Ophelia is said to have chanted fragments of lyrics yet has no last words delivered to the audience. Sarah Lynn's death we learn was very grounded in realism, it's not discussed in Bojack because this is his show and he would go to lengths to avoid learning about the gritty details. Sarah Lynn died trapped in her skin suit of exhausted muscles, panicking as she realizes she cannot not move, her lungs filling up with the alcohol her stomach is trying to force out. Her only light being that her friend is gone hopefully to get help, and she just has to hold on until he comes back and she does hold on for what would have felt like hours before she literally drowns on dry land (paramedics pumped her stomach, but it's harder to clear out lungs). It's not sad because Sarah Lynn couldn't hear Bojack's sad monologue, it's absolutely devastating that he couldn't understand that garbled up versions of his speeches were what she had been holding onto as motivation to stay alive for a long time.
i think the reason why he’s so avoidant on actually helping people with their emotions is because his whole life, his parents completely neglected his emotions, whenever he needed any sort of confort. we also see the same pattern happening with his mother when she needed her parents.
And his mother's mother needing comfort after the death of Crackerjack. She fell apart. Her husband did not console her and Bea did what she could as a child.
Stories like this helped me realize that what someone did to me wasn't okay. That's why I love this show. It helped me process that what he did to me was NOT okay, and I pray it helps others too.
I remember Bojack waited like 17 minutes to call an ambulance. I don’t remember why. I wonder if he unconsciously wanted her to die, because she brought up so many of his feelings of guilt.
he thought she was already dead... which is in fact a significant thing to note. his actions were ultimately reprehensible and lead to her death, but if he realized she was still alive and it wasn't too late... he would have rushed her to the hospital. he is selfish and toxic but he operated by 'significant gesters' as he said during his mom's funeral. spending like two weeks staying up to help find hollyhock's mom for example. a way to put it is that he pulls down so many people around him, even his closest friends, but would literally died to save any one of them.
I don't get why the 17 minute reveal was added to the show. The episode end clearly shows he thought she is dead, and panicked. Plus he was drugged. The 17 minute bit to me feels like forced change of things just for the wow effect, and it does not even fit with what was shown in season 3.
there's six seasons and this is the season three finale, so in a way, well, I was going to say half way point but - even better - this is the view from half way down...
Her last line was so heartbreaking, “I want to be an architect.” How would her life have looked if she had just been allowed to pursue the life she wanted
Adding to Ophelia commentary: Ophelia was someone who was pulled in many directions in life (liking hamlet, being told not talk to hamlet, "oops made him go mad", being directed to talk to him once again) and she was never allowed to follow her path because of her status as a noblewoman, which is what I think ultimately lead her to her madness and death. This is similar to how Sarah Lynn was pulled between an authentic self and showbusiness. Additionally, though it is less significant, I just would like to acknowledge that Ophelia in her madness, including in her death, would sing, linking her, like Sarah Lynn, to expression through music. Where Ophelia's songs have significance (in particular the one where she talks about the girl sleeping with the man who then refused to marry her) this was overlooked by other characters on stage like how Sarah Lynn's cries for help were ignored by Bojack. Furthermore, since we receive such a detailed description of Ophelia's death, it would be safe to say that someone saw her drowning but did not help, and we know that Bojack waited to call 911 while she died. Both Ophelia's and Sarah Lynn's death were preventable, but those around them stood by and refused to intervene.
thank you for the analysis, it’s so interesting to learn all the ways that sara lynn connects to ophelia through this painting. I love how the show ties in things so subtly.
It was really rough watching this episode get storyboarded. Fun fact, a couple of the board artists kept putting people in scenes playing DS together in the background, but the notes team thought it was distracting, so it was changed. This breakdown was really good, as someone who worked on the show im still learning things about it, and mostly from your vids! Thanks Johnny!
A planetarium is a kind of theater. Sarah-Lynn died in a theater, watching an image of the universe. And both bojack and sarah-lynn are Hollywood stars, and the real stars are out there, indifferent, and vast, and all we can see is projections of them
Elizabeth Siddal, the model in Millais' Ophelia painting, died at age 32 from a laudanum overdose. The multiple levels of connection between Sarah Lynn and the painting is such fantastic storytelling.
one of the saddest parts of this episode is that bojack causes sarah lynn to break her 9 months of sobriety to go on a bender with him, constantly ignores her wishes to go to the planetarium, and brings her along while he tries to reconcile with the people he's hurt in the past, but he never tries to reconcile with her. sarah lynn is the only person he doesn't apologise to for the damage he caused her before he ultimately causes her death both by giving her the heroin that kills her and waiting 17 minutes to call an ambulance when immediate help could have saved her life
"the only thing that matters is this moment" was something that was so awfully true, because he could've saved her in that moment. it really DID matter but not in the way bojack considered
I thought the “Todd” apology was BoJack showing how little he knew about his “best friend” and how he takes advantage of him. Todd is an awesome friend, but BoJack sees him as replaceable, interchangeable with anyone.
possible trigger warning: The thing I feel like a lot of people don't understand is that yes, Bojack is a bad person and he has done so many bad things. You aren't meant to forgive/support the actions that he does and the behaviour he conducts. Instead, you are meant to relate to him and his failures. All of us have done shitty things. Maybe not to the extremes with Charlotte and Sarah Lynn but we all have hurt people close to us. weather you want to admit it or not you have caused some of the pain in your life and that is why I love Bojack horseman. you can see your own shitty self in him. I don't think Bojack is a good person. i don't even think he always had good intentions. but by the end of the show, you see that he is trying. like we all are. Bojack has done so much for me so I'm sorry about my passion for this. I have been able to take a good look at myself and have been able to put so much of my insecurities and emotions into words which are helping me change.
I feel like this show has made me more aware of my own weaknesses and short comings, but it's also sort of dangerous. Sometimes it makes you feel like, yeah, I may not be doing great but at least I am aware of it. And that can be a very self-serving attitude. I am trying to make changes but it's a hard, long journey.
@@rosesweetcharlotte as long as you can take action toward the harmful things you see in yourself, then you're on the right track and are like 2/3 of the way there! I guess it's the way that people interpret it and your right it can be dangerous. hell, some people might see this show and think "welp I know I'm shit, I'm gonna live the same way anyway and expect change." cause that is pretty much what Bojack does and I think the show can both encourage and discourage this behaviour. idk but thanks for your input! we are all there with you :)
For me, Bojack helps me put myself in the shoes of people who fuck up relationships and hurt people. It humanizes them without excusing their behavior, and makes my life more peaceful when I come from that perspective with people who have hurt me or my loved ones.
@@Tee-xt1cv of course! took the words out of my mouth. that's how I want to try and live my list as seeing people as humans instead of defining them by bad action alone since again we are all human, no one wakes up in the morning craving to be a dick head for the rest of there life.
This reminds me of when we see Beatrice’s back story and how she was sick and her father had to burn her items because they were infected. I took that metaphorically, now everything Bojack touches becomes tainted. She also tells Bojack that “Being broken is your birthright”. man, does this show hit hard...
My heart broke for Sarah when BoJack went to visit her after one of her concerts and she was so excited to see an old friend, but he was just there to ask her to guest star on his show to get his ratings up. He didn’t even try to hide it either
"no matter what happens, no matter how much it hurts, you dont stop dancing" sounds similar to secretariat's advice on bojack: "when you get sad, you run straight and you keep running forward no matter what"
This episode is almost always a make or break if you'll ask people if they like or hate bojack, For me it was a break for bojack's character, I enjoyed his character arc up until this point, but this truly made me hate him but admire his character and the people who wrote it, it's truly Well made Edit: Typos
I think the straw that breaks the camel's is in season 6 when we find out that he intentionally spent 19 minutes to get her help just so he could clean up his tracks
@@veronicapiccinini7956 2 minutes spent to call his phone with Sarah Lynn's n 17 minutes to wait till he called ambulance. Overall, 19 minutes spent cover his tracks
As Goethe said, I guess: “Treat people as if they were what they ought to be and you help them to become what they are capable of being." The same applies backwards: treat people as the bad guys, as the losers, and that they will become. Honestly, I think Bojack is not a hero. He's a villain. But not willingly. He's a tragic villain, someone who was framed as less than others from the beggining, that tried to fight against the place people tried to put him in (the loser, the idiot, the coward) and ended up in there again. Does he deserve it? Yes, but is it possible that people deserve to be hated and we choose to help them be better anyway if they ask us for help to be better? And what if they dont ask? If they can't even think of asking? I think society puts people in a loop, or better said, society stigmatizes, it puts a mark on people for things they did, they are, or that happened to them to define them, and if they are bad, punish them or avoid them. How can "bad guys" become "good guys", or at least "better guys"? I think Bojack deep inside wants to be the good guy, but simply hasnt found the path or the teachers to become better. And he tries! But every time he tries, society again pushes him back into the bad guys side. I think Bojack is brave to try. And there is a good person deep down that is doing everything they can to not drown in evil. Its awful to see him do horrible things only to then make his own life and others bad again, but I see it as like in Halfway Down. That evil that consumes you...all he can do is keep trying to save himself, as fucked up as the path to become better for someone on Bojacks position can be. Most people would like him to just die or to put him in living hell. Its insane and disturbing how a kid has been put through that all his life. I pity Bojack, I pity everyone that is damaged by him. I think society never reached him when he needed them, when he was still just the child abuse survivor, the damaged, the loser, the nerd. They only reached him when he was already degenerating into something terrible, and only to hurt him again.
Thank you for that comment/analysis!! I think it's really hard to realize as someone in Bojacks position how you contribute to your own missery and how you create the loop of negativity that you get stuck in. It's easy to blame others for what they do and not look inward to see where you went wrong. Because it's hard to see that if you don't get any positive role models who teach and show you that stuff. I think the show did an amazing job portraying that realization setting in during the last season. You can see it so well in how his demeanor changes and how he copes with the life that he's got now.
Thank you for this. Also, people tend to just point the finger at BoJack, but Sarah Lynn also is responsible for her life, Charlotte for Penny, Herb also had a part in his issue with Bojack. Every analysis is "Bojack did this, Bojack did that, he was evil, he was wrong" but they don't consider where he comes from and others' bad decisions as well. Bojack made a lot of awful choices,but so did everyone else. Every analysis is about Bojack's faults and they satanize him while sanctifying everyone else.
@@melistiltskin7889 that's such an important point!! The series is about taking accountability for your actions, about how its wrong to harm others just because you've been hurt and how hard it can be to treat others the right way. Every story has two sides. I think that in the Sarah Lynn example... Her mental state wasn't good and I personally don't think that she even wanted to live anymore... It's noticeable in how easily she gave up her sobriety. Just like "yeah, I don't care, I've just been waiting for someone to bring my stash out"
It's worth noting the history of the Ophelia painting itself, and just its context in Hamlet. The model for the painting was an artist named Elizabeth Siddal. To pose for the portrait she laid in a bath in the winter kept warm by oil lamps, but the lamps went out, and as a result developed pneumonia. This didn't kill her, but like Sarah Lynn she often suffered for her art, and was considered a great example of beauty and femininity. She was also believed to be anorexic and addicted to laudinum, and would eventually die from a drug overdose which some believe was intentional.
Another comparison to Ophelia would be, that Ophelia’s Death wasn’t meaningful in itself. It is only ever shown through the eyes of Hamlet, who very much caused her to spiral. It’s about his role in her death, and how he has to cope after she dies. Just how Sarah Lynn is never really explored as her own character. We actually don’t know much about her, because we only see her (and her death) in relation to BoJack
one thing id like to mention about the ophelia painting is the backstory behind the model. posing for the painting nearly killed the girl yet she didnt dare move out of the bathtub she was laying in in case she would be blacklisted from posing for other paintings. painters models were also viewed as promiscuous and the profession was highly looked down upon. i feel like this relates a lot to sarah lynn, she was cold and alone as others painted her distress
The fact Sarah Lynn was sexually abused by her stepfather and Bojack was her *father figure* makes him sleeping with her even more disturbing and sad. Perhaps she felt that engaging in sexual acts with Bojack would make her feel that affection and love she wanted to bad. Even if it wasn't intended, he was inadvertently abusing the fact she had a messed up view of father daughter relationships and also reaffirming said view.
She was truly trying to achieve the life she seeked, trying to better herself, trying to regain being HER... and that call from Bojack took that away within seconds, and instead of doing the right thing, he preferred to focus on his own fears and wait 17 minutes, 17 minutes in which he could have done something to help, anything at all, but he didn't and now such burder will stick with him for life. THAT'S TOO MUCH, MAN
not only is ophelia's death thematically appropriate for sarah lynn, but the model for the painting, elizabeth siddal, also died of an overdose in her 30s
When Sarah Lynn gets drunk on Bojack's vodka on set (as a child), the vodka turns into a 'galaxy' pattern before she drinks it. It foreshadows how the start of her substance addiction is because of Bojack, and the end of her substance addiction is because of bojack (when she starts to die in the planetarium). Both times he left her alone, when she needed him the most. In the beginning and the end, Bojack was always more focused on himself, his own feelings, and that was the very reason Sarah Lynn succumbed to the substance abuse. Chilling.
The fact that the night she died she had to watch her stepfather who sexually abused her take her award on her behalf and act like he cared and that he missed her, while having a mental breakdown and spiraling trying to vent with Bojack who also crossed sexual boundaries with her who act like he cared only for him to let her waste away for 17 minutes.
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See though it isn’t out of character for Bojack to do what he did. It’s called character consistency, which is my exact problem with Disenchantment.
Not “I wanted”, but “I want to he an architect”. She still had hope. Had dreams. Had a whole maybe 50 years ahead of her. And he took that all away.
That's what hurts me the most about her. Everybody treated her like she was done with, but she was 31. That is SO young. She could have gone to college for 4-6 years and still have so much life ahead of her. She had time.
The worst part was probably that he waited 17 mins… Something we didn’t know until a later episode where he was interviewed…. But it’s just so wrong that she could have lived but he selfishly called 17 mins later due to his fear of the consequences. It’s legit disgusting.
@@Eet_Mia absolutely! We all have time, as long as we're alive. People change careers at 40, move at 50, marry again at 60. Tiktok just makes you feel like 25 is old
And she even said “do you think I can still go to college?”
@@Eet_Miatotally. My favorite writer started to write novels when he was 55 and won a Nobel prize in his 70s. He also met the love of his life when he was 60.
when you realize that sarah lynn wasnt begging to go to the planetarium because she loved the stars, she was begging to go because she was fascinated by the structure/dome.
that’s too much man
Now that you mention it
Thats too much man
i don’t get it, please explain
@@peachy-wd6ci what does it mean?
@@바포메트-z8d what does it mean?
also id just like to add, Ophelia's death was considered the most avoidable death in all of Shakespeare's writings, similar to how Sarah Lynn's death was completely avoidable.
And it happened to Ophelia because she was in a vulnerable place but hamlet refused to help only focusing on his problems Bojack makes the same mistake
Look up the background of the painting of Ophelia it's much worse
So many times in her life where people couldve helped her
Most frustrating Sims 2 moment was when Ophelia died because one of the ghosts on the lot scared her to death.
Ophelia’s death was really hard hitting. At first she stayed afloat seemingly calm like nothing could disturb her peace…. until her dress slowly soaked became heavier and dragged her down into her inevitable demise
Gawd. Those handwritten notes she has taped up around her mirror in her dressing room when Bojack goes to visit Sarah Lynn: "I am in charge of my own destiny", "Mega-fame does not define me." She was trying so hard to just be a person at that point, and Bojack re-enters her life and ultimately brings all the poison back up. The writing on this show is so good.
6:44 you are welcome
I feel bad for the people who thought they were getting a light-hearted comedy. As while this show is one of the best animated shows ever made, it is the opposite of light-hearted, and rarely a comedy.
You could tell that Sarah Lynn was a good and kind person, she was doing so good while being sober and off drugs.
Sarah Lynne: *Her life is turning for the better.*
Bojack: *I’m about to end this woman’s whole career*
Okay it’s not all Bojack’s fault, lots of people in this show is truly not a bad person, not even Bojack’s mum isn’t truly just a bad person, everyone has a story.
@@skylarthompson299 except bojack's dad who unfortunately never really had a fleshed out backstory like bojack's mum. In a way that makes his behaviour worse than Beatrice because we never see a reason for it.
you know what’s sad? this video is shorter than the time bojack waited before he called an ambulance for sarah lynn.
don’t make me think about that oh my god
thanks bro im crying now
selfish, so selfish.
Shut up I didn't need this
Holy absolute fuck bro :|
The end of this episode, with Bojack repeating her name and us understanding with him that she’s gone... that’s too much man
He repeated her name, just like Pete Repeat, who was there the last time BoJack ditched an intoxicated young girl.
@@alexvaughan1013 I never even thought of this! And while Pete does stop repeating his words as the situation becomes more serious, Bojack doesn't, which sort of leads into Pete becoming a more mature person while Bojack does the most irresponsible thing he could do in thos scenario.
even having seen it in a few video essays already and knowing exactly how it was paced out, something about cutting to black and removing the last remaining bit of background noise still caused it to hit me right in the core
@@alexvaughan1013 Something that I like about Pete Repeat is that when he comes back to the show (if only briefly) we see that he stopped repeating things altogether. That, plus how he perfectly guides Hollyhock through her panic attack, solidified how his repetition was not just a quirky tic, but a symptom of a nervous disorder he had.
Those tiny, blink-and-you'll-miss-it details make the pain this show doles out so much fun.
@@MxDae yess I totally agree, but didn't Pete have to actively force his repetition? I thought it was just him trying to make himself known for something rather than an involuntary nervous tic
I’d like to point out that at one point when Bojack and Sarah Lynne crash into someones play house or something, Sarah Lynne points out that it was badly built and then proceeds to show some pretty impressive understanding of the principles of engineering and architecture. This shows that her desire to be an architect wasnt simply a drug-fuelled, transitory whim, she actually really wants to do it, and she has the talent for it. Makes it way more sad for me.
And then you also realise when she wanted to go to the observatory, it wasn't because she was interested in astrology or stars but more so impressed by the actual building structure itself. It's so sad :(
@@dennispalit1963 I hadn't noticed that! Thanks for bringing it up and yes I agree, makes it all the more tragic...
Also (I don’t remember which episode) but there is a flashback to the backstage where Sara Lynn voices to the people around her that she wants to be an architect but her mother instead says no and laughs at her.
@@hero_bat8823 Yh that's "Prickly Muffin"! And its way back as well, season 1 episode 3. Its crazy that the producers of the show were thinking about Sarah Lynn's fate as far back as the third episode
It made it EXTREMELY sad for me... she repeats a loooot of times that she wants to be an architect in that episode. Even her last words mentioned something about it :( it made me cry like a baby
It breaks my heart that Sarah Lynn was pursued sexually by every man who was even kind of a father figure to her.
sarah lynn deserved so much better
Except Herb, but unfortunately he was fired from the show too early and she lost contact with him for awhile
@@DuckBilledAtheist Who, also, was backstabbed by Bojack.
@@DuckBilledAtheist well i mean herb was gay so I don't know if that counts because he would never have liked her
@@user-gd1tp2tc1d the substance of what I'm saying is that Herb clearly cared about Sarah Lynn and would've been a great role model and father figure but was fired from the show much too soon
The fact that he could've saved her but waited 17 minutes fucking wrecks me
Thats not true.
@@fecomate2542 it is... did you watch the show?
@@bigpops665 how do you know that calling the ambulance sooner would have saved her?
@@fecomate2542 i don’t, but it would’ve had a larger chance to actually save her.
@@fecomate2542 it’s the fact that he could’ve tried to do something but he waited 17 minutes
The title and the phrase "that's too much man" always gives me chills, Sarah Lynn died of an overdose of heroin called Bojack...... it was literally too much man
"The only drug I need is horse!"
The phrase is taken verbatim from what s lot of addicts' last words were after inadvertently taking product that was too pure, or laced with more powerful synthetics, like fentanyl.
@@bodofzt that sentence alone is soo foreshadowing. Horse is a slang word for heroin, she overdoses on heroin. She overdoses on heroin called “Bojack” (-> horse), and Bojack Horseman is the reason she overdoses, he is like a drug that she keeps coming back to but that eventually kills her, damn. And all in one sentence.
...Sarah Lynn? Sarah Lynn?
chills and sadness each and every time
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Not to mention Bojack waited 17 minutes to call an ambulance for Sarah Lynn even though it could've saved her. That's too much man
I think the biggest show of Bojack's ego in this episode if how he completely expected Penny to still be suffering because of what he did. Bojack is so self-centered that he couldn't imagine her moving on, just like how DECADES after seeing Charlotte, he expected her to be waiting for him, like she just stayed frozen in time until Bojack searched for her.
I agree
Absolutely!
Exactly!
I think for BoJack he had a very warped perception about how he affected people. His parents and his mom especially, fed him the idea that all the abuse she gave him was because of him, amd how he ruined her life. He was always made to feel like the one to blame. And when he messed up or hurt someone close to him, it hurt him, but at the same time he thinks of course I hurt them. I was born a horrible person.
I think part of him expects people to be hung up on what he did, because other people have in his past (Herb), and he was conditioned to expect that.
Yeah after finishing the show and it's been done for a while, all Bojack's crimes are starting to really hit making me hate him rather than feel sorry for him for being so dumb.
Let's not forget Bojack waited 17 minutes before he called the ambulance. 17. MINUTES. And before then, he made sure to call his phone with Sarah Lynn's for 2 minutes to create an alibi all so he wouldn't have to deal with it.
Saddest thing is that Sarah Lynn was still alive albeit barely, but she was unconscious n would've lived if Bojack hadn't been so goddam selfish
it pissed me off that he was more focused on saving himself rather than his friend who was quite literally dying in front of him
Yes but Bojack thought she was dead. We thought she was dead. If he would have known that she was alive, he would have called the medics.
@@fecomate2542 Be that as it may, you'd expect seeing someone whom you claimed to care about in such a critical condition will prompt u to act quickly and take any chance to save her life. Even though he thought she was dead then, he didn't check her pulse, he didn't call the ambulance immediately thinking maybe there's a chance n hopes of rescuing her. Yes, we thought she was already dead, but we didn't know Bojack intentionally spent 19 minutes before calling help till later. He only thought of himself and took his time to cover his tracks while Sarah died alone.
No matter how u look at it, Bojack's actions at that moment were unjustified.
@@syrusangi8743 we don't know what happened in that 17 minutes. He propably checked her pulse, and panicked, then tried to cover his tracks. He made a rational decision based on the information he believed to be true. Was it a good or morally good decision? No. Not at all. Was it an evil or selfish decision? No.
@@fecomate2542 Sorry but I have to disagree with u. Sarah Lynn would never had been in that situation if it weren't for Bojack. You'd say she was her own adult, but she was in a vulnerable position being a recovering drug addict who lived a difficult life n was mentally unstable while trying to keep herself sober till Bojack called her n enabled her into an aggressive relapse. Then when things went south, he decided to bail again n left his friend in a mess, like he always did. This was exactly what Johnny explained in his video about Bojack's toxic cycle of his rash n inconsiderate actions towards his friends in the facade of 'apologizing' but leaving them in a worst situation than before.
I know you're trying to understand Bojack n putting urself in his shoes dealing with that incident, but it's not just one incident it's a cycle that he continues to play into on n on till he becomes self aware n then it's too late. Bojack needed to stop making excuses n needed to start making genuine n considerate actions to change. Not to say that he never made good decisions or helped people before, but we'd be lying if we said his bad actions didn't outweigh the good ones most often. Things had to change
Kristen Schaal is honestly such an underrated voice actress. She's in Gravity Falls, Bob's Burgers, BoJack Horseman and so much more and does a phenomenal job in all of these roles
Ikr! Her voice is iconic!
Her voice is pretty iconic, even with different characters you can hear smth in the voice that's just her. I was watching cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2 with my siblings and as soon as that orangutan opened its mouth I was like, omg is that her? And lo and behold, it was
@@Leapingriver ...which is kind of the thing that bothers me about her tbh - like yes, she's great at voice acting, but Mabel was the first role I ever heard her in and no matter which character she voices I just see Mabel, even if she is performing a different personality o.o
@@ayior sounds like a you problem lol /s.
Her voice is distinct but like, shes not just Mable from GF. She prob could try harder to make each role more distinct, since there are VAs with incredibly diverse voices. But I think it's part of her voices charm
Ikr? I can recognize her voice anywhere
Also, it was the “Bojack” heroin that killed her, which is a pretty overt message that Bojack was literally the death of Sarah Lynn. I was shocked by how little concern he showed that she was taking it, considering he had seen the corpse of a killer whale who overdosed on that same heroin (and why did he even have it???)
I think Bojack not being alarmed by the drug might be symbolism for how he doesn't see people being around him is destroying them. He doesn't see others taking him in as an issue, hence why he's so laid back about Sarah Lynn taking it.
it gets in the car in an earlier episode when they find the distributer of the heroin
Not only that, Sarah Lynn's lifestyle was based on the "dont stop dancing" mantra, and that led her into drugs n shit, but BoJack said it to Sarah Lynn and BJ's mother said it to him.
The series is interesting because it also shows how generational abuse impacts the whole family. It started by showing the abuse that Beatrice endured and this sort of makes me feel BAD for Beatrice. She did a bit better than her father did (I can't even fault her mother who only has half a mind) but she was still awful. It does put things into perspective tho...
in like the third episode she says ‘the only drug i need is horse’ before doing something with bojack
@@plebweeb8868 you would think he’d have that moment of self reflection after all that detective work in finding out what “Bojack kills” really meant.
It's tragic that Sara Lynn didn't die alone nor with fear yet her death was still the fault of the man she sought comfort from. She slipped away on Bojack's shoulder and he was too self-absorbed in his monologue to acknowledge her passing until he failed to get a response to his speech. Even then, it was all about his ego.
She wasn't dead
Bruh havent you watched the whole video????
@@xxstar-bluesxx wtf do you two even mean? They are right
@@artvulture456 she died right or did I miss something
@@TLcool4 yes, she did die.
I’ve been rewatching season 6 and I just stopped feeling bad for Bojack. He claimed that Sarah Lynn was the only girl he loved but he waited seventeen minutes until he called for help. I can’t forgive him or even root for him anymore.
And what’s worse is that the writers hinted that he waited the 17 minutes when he told PC that he covered his tracks. We should have known. I wanted to give him so much credit up until 17 minutes.
I really like that they made him unforgivable. sometimes the damage done can’t be fixed and he has to live with the fact that he basically killed her.
It explains why in Seasons 4 and 5, when even when things go better for BJ, guilt and self-loathing still plague him. Since he covered up a funking murder and kept the guilt all to himself.
I don't think we were ever meant to root for Bojack.
We all thought Bojack Horseman was a story about depression. Turns out it's much more about psychopathy instead..
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING OPHELIA. It’s so weird that I have not met anyone so far who picked up on that. There was, I believe, another reason why the “Ophelia” painting was used. Sarah Lynn was a tragic, Ophelia type. Ophelia had no agency of self in “Hamlet,” and she was torn between the duties of to her father/family and the love she had for Hamlet. Sarah Lynn is like this as well: no agency of herself, torn between the love of the people and the longing for her own life. Bojack aided in her madness, and ignored her own struggles, much like Hamlet when he confronts Ophelia. The poor thing had no one to turn to, and her turmoil drove her to her death. And much like Ophelia, this death came as no surprise, because previously Ophelia was seen as “mad with heartbreak,” and in Sarah Lynn’s case, she was “just another drug abuser, just another sad celebrity.” I applaud the writers of this show for being so brave and so honest with their story. Thank you for the breakdown!
WOW thank you so much for this thorough breakdown, this is great!
Bro thank you! I was just about to write about that
Yooo, I’m happy someone said this!!
Adding onto the Ophelia painting, there's a theory that Gertrude-Hamlet's mom-was the one who killed her or at least saw her dying and didn't do anything about it. She's the one to explain that Ophelia had fallen into the brook from a broken branch. This could connect to Bojack obviously ignoring Sarah Lynn's problems. He watches as she drowns in the river but doesn't do anything to stop it.
Love this read! Thanks for sharing :)
@@Johnny2Cellos Of course! :) Glad you like it!
@@sydeLPS Bojack also "stands by" as Sarah Lynn literally dies. She dies even after the paramedics arrive who themselves were alerted after several minutes of Sarah Lynn being unconscious.
Couldn’t have said it better!
@@camelopardalis84 😱 oh my god I never thought about it like that!
"Sarah Lynn?" gave me massive goosebumps
it made me tear up. :(
Not so fun fact: the model who posed for the Ophelia painting died of an overdose
Fun
I heard she actually drowned , but I heard this as a teenager.
😥
@@afish4086
Multiple sources, including the BBC, state that her death was from an overdose. She did in fact catch pneumonia due to that painting, but her father threatened legal action and forced the painter to pay for her medical bills, also the model's husband was Dante Gabriel Rossetti, and the painter of Ophelia was John Everett Millais.
@@afish4086 😱
Wow it took until you said it to make me realize Bojack has NEVER really apologized to Todd for all the crappy things he's done to him over the years...
More and more GOOD for Todd for being the first one to really cut him out of his life and not let him back in
Anyway Stan Todd Chavez for clear skin 💅💅
Even when he was making a list of every bad thing he'd ever done, Bojack didn't write down the things he'd done to Todd. Todd HIMSELF had to add all the shitty things Bojack had done to him to the whiteboard. Not only won't Bojack apologize to Todd, he won't even acknowledge that he's hurt him in the first place.
@@porcelainghoul I think it's not that he won't acknowledge the worst thing he's done to Todd and it's even worse (remember what he said to Diane during their Philbert premiere fight "those people I bet don't even remember") treating Todd terribly was such a constant for so long that most of it he doesn't even really remember it
@@porcelainghoul Exactly!!
@Abigail Slaughter honestly I don't think that was Todd opening door he's just got such a big heart of genuine kindness for everyone that he didn't want to see even bojack upset
As for PC the basis of their relationship has been taking care of him she's done with him professionally and now has a business a child and a husband to take care of
Seeing how Bojack ignores and interrupts Sarah Lynn throughout the episode just makes her last statement to bojack in "the view from halfway down" make more sense.
"Nah ah ah. Bojack, this is my time"
he also sees himself as the center of this tragedy, like Diane implied in "Head in the Clouds": "tell me, how are you the victim of the Sarah Lynn's story?"
And the thing about that episode is, deep down, Bojack really did see Sarah Lynn as a beautiful, creative, intelligent artist.
And that did absolutely nothing to stop him from hurting her.
Oooh you just gave me yet another reason to re-watch 'The View From Halfway Down'
@@sexytrashfire like he sees himself as the protagonist in a friged woman trope. She goes through such tragedy and pain, but what she feels doesn't matter in the story. Just the guilt or "pain" of he as the main character.
@@kiriki4558 exactly. BJ is the one who gets damaged, but never notices himself damaging someone else. speaking of "woman trope", i like how the show subverts the heteronormative cliche of two main characters of opposite sex being together no matter what, when BoJack was hoping he and Diane will get along romantically in season 1, but she in fact has different priorities, so the glorious male protagonist is not the one she will choose eventually
Bojack having sex with Sara Lynn is one of his lowest moments and you can only fully understand how wrong that was until much later. I remember the first time I saw it that it was really bad that he was having sex with a woman he knew since she was a little girl. Like, I understood it was messed up but on a comedy show like bojack horseman seemed to be on its first episodes, you tend to go with it. Like two and a half men for example.
The more you know about Sara Lynn and her relationship with Bojack, how everyone in her life failed to care for her and her interests, then it dawns on you how messed up it truly was that he thought it was a good idea at all to have sex with her.
I dont remember the name of the episode but would you do a video on the episode where Princess Carolyn loses her baby, and imagines her great great great granddaughter talking about her in the future?
The Princess Carolyn episode is called Ruthie
Would be amazing to hear an analysis of that episode
ruthie?
@Abigail Slaughter God damn. That quote just brought up all the feelings
Tw sexual abuse and spoiler alert
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Particularly considering the shows implications that her stepdad sexually abused her and then here comes another father figure to re-enact that trauma
Sarah Lynn is one of those characters that I will always remember for the rest of my life. Her story is so tragic but its so realistic (minus the fame). She was my favorite: and honestly when I saw the Ophelia painting in the beginning I already started crying as I knew this show was foreshadowing her demise. She is brilliantly written character, and a great reminder of what substance abuse can lead to.
EDIT: When I said the fame wasn't realistic I was referring to the fact that any of us can fall victim to substance abuse- but not all of us get to be this big celebrity before or after. Yes it is realistic to the Child Star Trope, I was just saying unfortunately not all of us can be famous. :) sorry for the confusion
It reminds me so much of the life of the actress Dana Plato from Diff’rent Strokes. I’m 100% convinced that the Bojack writers drew inspiration from that instance of a child actress succumbing to drug relapse.
and kristens voice fits her perfectly. i love it
The only thing is I wish she was less outwardly rude and antagonistic to people at points, literally vandalising or cussing people out for little reason.
@@sommerblume9671 yea: that has to do with her fame for sure lol getting everything you want and expecting everyone to move for you is the kind of big ego you get while famous especially since she states she's been on TV since the age of 3. I wish she wasn't rude like that too: but its to be expected out of a child star who never outgrew the lime light.....even in death...
@@retrogoddess7902 Yeah that's true, but idk it's different? Arrogance and being pushy and ignorant I get when you're famous or accomplish things - almost everyone in the cast has done these things. But vandalism and cussing people out always makes me wince, it's like watching a teen lashing out just to lash out without caring, except she's 30 and stuck in the past. She deserved so much better.
She really did get killed by her abuser, didn't she...
So her step Dad or Mother?
@@arnigeir1597 no bojack
@@arnigeir1597 I feel like it’s all three of them. Her mother only cared about using her for fame and money, it’s heavily implied that her stepdad molested her, and Bojack was a terrible and enabling influence on her basically her whole life.
They all contributed to her death in a way.
Eh... Maybe.
@@renia1437 True, but I just feel like her parents are far more responsible.
I love how this review just casually has a Hamlet analysis portion in it. Like, yeah, it’s no big deal, I’m just incredibly smart.
HAHA, nah I'm not that smart, I needed sparknotes to better understand Ophelia's death
If I ever have to write an essay about hamlet I’m watching this vid
That painting is one of my favorites along with the unicorn rests in the garden, which made a cameo in the venture bros
@@Johnny2Cellos I think there might be a connection to the woman who modeled for the painting as well. I remember seeing a video (I believe by 'Nerdwriter') who talked about how the model suffered in the industry and was used by artists. She died at 32 and it's speculated that she may have overdosed or even committed suicide.
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I think it's amazing how you've said something most people end up skipping on: Bojack's good moments with Sarah Lynn, the speech, aren't about her. Are about him. Is what he thinks about his famous life, and he associates this life with his famous "friend". On "the view from halfway down" it's amazing how they portrait Sarah Lynn always wondering about her fame, success, and how she would be remembered, but that wasn't her. That was what Bojack's mind associated with her, in his delusion. He never even knew Sarah Lynn, and yet, he could destroy her life
He never knew her, never cared to know her yet he says "he loved her". Too many guys do that.
yooo wow thats so true I hadn't thought of the part about her portrayal on the view from halfway down
@@deepeka134 He loved her worst. Sarah Lynn was always this one person he could perceive as equally messed up and damaged as himself, despite the fact that he himself helped shaping her that way since she was a little girl. What he loved was always the way he saw himself in her.
@@deepeka134 i think the terrible part is that people can "love" you or at least they can say it and mean it when they say they feel it about you, yet actions always speak louder then words. Sometimes people dont understand its not just a word its an action as well. And while bojack was willing to say it he was never willing to put the action behind it to show her until it was to late.
@@Joshuamcdougal103yess heavy on the ‘love are actions’ part !! i think u and @deepeka134 would love “all about love” by bell hooks
That scene, as dark as it was, was made even darker when we found out that Bojack could have gotten Sarah Lynn help, as she wasn't immediately dead. But instead he chose to panic and try to create a narrative where he wouldn't be to blame, thus delaying calling someone to help Sarah Lynn.
I can't believe they choose to reveal that fact, in any other show it would just come across as edgy and shocking to go THAT far with making an already dark moment even more messed up so far down the line, but this show delivers these moments in a way where you feel like you just discovered a horrible secret about your best friend or something, where it's just a punch to the face and you have to spend months thinking about it before you really understand how to react
Bojack's whole arc and the further revelations about these dark shocking moments in the show just leave me feeling sick in a completely real way that no other show has ever came to close to
@@maybetomorrownewmaker Thank you for putting my thoughts and feelings about this into words. :-)
And he could have accomplished the same craven goal in about a minute rather than 17 minutes by calling himself from Sarah Lynn's phone, hanging up, and calling 911 right away: "I just got a call from my friend; I think she's in trouble." That still would have been a contemptible action, and it still would have wasted precious time, but it would not have been nearly as disastrous. They really is nothing to say other than that this is all too much, man!!!
to be fair he thought she was already dead... it is a distinct difference. if he knew she was sitll alive and was luscid enough to have checked a pulse, he would not have made a cover story and would ahve rushed her to the hospital. But.. he t hought it was too late, and sealed her fate by acting in his own interest.
I actually think that adding the bit abour 17 minutes was pretty bullshit. In the planetarium, he was on drugs, and he was sure she is dead in that moment. And "chose to panic"? Wtf dude, you don't "chose to panic".
Bojack grooming Penny was the nail in the coffin and Sarah Lynn dying hammered it down even further. He was unredeemable
he already killed many people lol
In a way he groomed Sarah lynn as well
This isn't a "hot take"; it's the point of the show dude.
@@xanaxwizard they never said it was a hot take ☠️
@@stevie6900 doesn't matter lmao this isn't some profound thought if you didnt think that shit your a creep not the exception
Something that I think is very interesting is the wording in Sarah-lynns final words. She didn’t say she “wanted” to be a architect, she said “I wanna be a architect” as if she believed she still could’ve been after it all, and the saddest part is that she probably still could’ve been one if she truly wanted to get clean, and it clearly wasn’t just some drunken wish or whatever because of her interest in domes and the way she talked to those playhouse people, as Sarah lynns famous quote goes. “That’s too much man.”
There is one thing that bothers me about the discussion surrounding Bojacks relationship with Sarah Lynn, is that people seem to forget the fact that it's her mom's and step dad's abuse that causes Bojack to be this father figure to her, something he never should have been in the first place.
Honestly, I don’t really see how that’s relevant. You can only judge a relationship by the relationship itself. If somebody does a shitty thing, how that situation came about isn’t really relevant if they still made the decision to do the shitty thing. I think people just want to absolve BoJack of blame
@@Johnny2Cellos No, Bojack still did plenty of bad, I'm arguing that your messed up drunk older co-actor is clearly not a father figure to rely on. People sometimes act as if he was her real parent and not some unrelated guy who was around in her childhood and then only occasionally after.
I don’t think him being a father figure really has all that much to do with him being a shitty friend. It’s a factor in the dynamic, but remove the father figure aspect and BoJack is still just being a bad person and friend to Sarah Lynn
@@Johnny2Cellos I never said he wasn't.
@Johnny 2 Cellos But he never forsed Sarah Lynn be with him.
Also that specific painting of Ophelia, the model for Ophelia herself (Elizabeth Siddall) was the inspiration for a lot of pre-raphelite paintings simply because all the painters thought she was beautiful, they didn’t care about her much at all except as an object and this is shown in the fact that John Everett-Millais made her stay in the bath so long to model for that painting that she got hypothermia and nearly died. Pretty good analogy for Sarah Lynn’s life, every person viewed her as an object and used her for their own needs without any regard for her wellbeing
This episode is hard to watch for so many reasons. Actually, this whole show is. It's my favorite show of all time, but I've never rewatched it.
I put off breaking down this episode for so long because I didn’t wanna put myself through it over and over 😭
literally, i try rewatching it so often bc it’s one of my favourite shows but i can never get past season 2
Honestly I’m too scared to rewatch it, it’s like living a horrible life again
i highly recommend rewatching it. it’s so full of foreshadowing and it changed so many of my first interpretations
I first watched this series in 2018 when I was getting into a toxic friendship where I was pulled into substance abuse, I’m only now rewatching it after I ended that friendship cos it always gave me a weird feeling and I’m wondering if watching it again can help me get out of my weed addiction or at least help convince my brain it’s not worth it. It definitely is a different type of cartoon I will say, pulls on emotions haha
The thing that always got me about this episode is how it starts is so comedic and almost light hearted (you know, for a Bojack Horseman episode). Like when Sarah Lynn immediately starts drinking after BJ calls and when she punches the wall to snort the dry wall; it just pulled a laugh out of me because, especially when its the first time you see this episode, you think it's just gonna be another episode about hijinks on narcotics episode that's meant to maybe to cut through the mood of the episodes that happend before. But at some point, it starts to slowly get worse, and you start to realize this is wrong, but not in the "funny haha look at them cause trouble while turnt" way of wrong. To me, it felt like it took me on the bender with them, in a way. You only realize the slope was to slippery by the time you're half way down...
This is a very awesome analysis of the structure of the episode !!
NOOOOO NOT THE “HALFWAY DOWN” REFERENCE AT THE END THIS COMMENT IS DESTROYING ME
"half way down"... Nicely done!
damn, well written
Wait.
Penny was 17, Bojack waited for 17 to call and it took him 17 minutes to realize he was dead.
That's just..haunting.
I was born on the 17th, GODDAMN IT BOJACK! ✊✊✊
Honestly, I think that just giving up on everything is destructive, and this episode shows why caring about others is important
A certain dimension-hopping drunk scientist could learn from this.
@@alexvaughan1013 u could have just said rick sinclair but yeah
They literally stated that Rick was sociopathic in the description of the first episode
The more I rewatch bojack, he’s actually a villain lol.
i dont really think anyone is a villain in bojack, there all just people.
ghost party manipulative people and users are arguably villains though. He’s a toxic main character and I applaud the show for making us care, when in real life if we knew someone like this we’d do well to stay away from.
That's the beauty of the show. You think it's gonna be about his redemption and instead, it isn't.
"There's no bad guys and good guys. We just guys".
@@rosesweetcharlotte first time watching, almost didn't watch the final season. I didn't want to see him get redeemed.
I'd like to point out how bojack never called her Sarah, always "Sarah Lynn". Almost like he never really saw her as a friend as much as he saw her as a coworker or celebrity.
He also used Princess Carolynn or Mr. Peanutbutter tho lol
bojack does this with every character including himself. i can’t really figure out what it is with him and last names tho
@@peachy-wd6ci it might be because hes used to referring to people by their full names bc he was such a big former celebrity, so he never really stopped? idk someone else could probably do a great deep dive on it lol
@@iwakeupandboomimarat yeahh maybe
@@isaacpianos5208 Actually to be fair, everyone on the show calls PC, PB and SL by their full names. It's actually not super uncommon IRL either, I've met plenty of people who are usually addressed by their full names by everyone around them.
And after he realized she was in trouble, he waited 17 MINUETS before calling for help. Irl narcan would have likely been able to save her if he has called immediately. That is no better than manslaughter in my opinion. He should be in jail a lot longer than 18 months. He has proven over and over again to be a dangerous person.
Also, did anyone else think that seeing BoJack triggered Penny's panic disorder? We actually don't even know what happened with college for her after that. Its possible she may not have been able to finish. That anxiety must have been unbearable.
There are Good Samaritan laws that protect people who call for help for the incapacitated and critically endangered people. If BoJack had contacted the authorities, he would’ve had access to legal protection, even if she had still died. But he put his fear of being criticised over Sarah Lynn’s life and effectively let her die.
@@hkazu63 exactly. Now we saw that his celebrity would have probably let him off the hook. Officer Fuzzyface didn’t even do an investigation. He probably would have been fine either way but like you said, he felt that people’s perception of him was more important than Sarah Lynn’s life. That is very scary
I believe it’s full on murder. If she died right there and there was nothing he could do, it would be manslaughter, but he knew he had time and still used that for his own selfish needs. That’s straight up murder imo
Bojack thought she was dead. He was convinced that SL has died, thats why he waited. Also how is this Bojacks fault? SL did this to herself. Sure BH is a bit responsible, but he didn't do anything against SLs will. Also both were drunk and high so that also changes things.
@@fecomate2542 "SL did this to herself" shows you lack a lot of knowledge about addiction. Not to mention the pattern of abuse of his power over younger, more vulnerable women (which is reiterated multiple times near the end of the last season). I suppose you'd say BH didn't take advantage of her when he had sex with her either cause she wanted it too. BH used SL. He didn't want to be alone on his binge so he took her down with him. At no point has SL ever really been in control of what happened to her, whether it was being born into stardom, or controlled by drugs, or used by people who had power over her (like bojack and her stepfather).
This episode has the most devastating final scene that I can think of in animation.
That final "... Sarah Lynn?" gives me chills every time.
For me, the first time Bojack says "I don't know." Just before running away in that rushed and abrupt manner hurts more. It's filled with so much confusion and sadness it's crazy. Just like every other thing he's done, Will Arnett hit it out of the park with this one.
“We see Sarah Lynn start to drift in and out of consciousness, unaware that she was being taken away. It was gradual, and it caught up with her until she drifted off to sleep for the final time.”
She deserved so much more. One of the worst tv deaths of all time. Probably top 5.
Now I'm curious what the other 4 on your list are.
@@WillowJordan1979 same 😭
BoJack is a classic narcisssist. He's only good to people when he gets something out of it.
Its also accurate to actual narcissists in the fact that it requires some of the worst suffering a human can have to become this broken and malfunctioning
True..
But the worst part of it is that they don't even realize it. And when they try to avoid it despite their best efforts, they slip into anyway...
@@twinkiesmaster69 Exactly. Great writing, so accurate.
@@salemcrow5078 Yes. Absolutely! When you know, you know!
It was so heartbreaking was learning what really happened at the planetarium. We 1st thought Sarah Lynn died peacefully in her favorite place with her favorite person. But then we learn that she could have been saved, if it wasn’t for Bojack’s fear of being caught she could have had the chance to make a life change, to even go on to be an architect. But Bojack took that chance from her
i get what youre saying “peacefully” but im not too sure overdosing is that peaceful (but i totally agree, i thought it was oh shit sarah lynn died in bojacks arms, and slowly it turns into oh shit sarah lynn died in the mercy of bojacks hands)
I just noticed something else interesting. Sharona seemed to me to be a person who made Sarah Lynn feel safe on the set of Horsin Around bc she would probably make sure Sarah Lynn could have a place away from her parents and esp her stepdad (like her getting ready in Bojack's room), and then she got fired for Bojack's sake, meaning she just kept losing safe people to be around. She must have felt so alone..
Her father was being weird so she avoided him. She got drunk, and was even more vulnerable to his advances. He was a bear, and she knows what his fur tastes like..... Bojack introduced her to her addiction, and allowed the abuse to (most likely) escalate to any point. This could've been when he took those photos of her...
Since we are dealing with Sarah’s death, please do Xerox Of A Xerox
Yes please! One of my favorite episodes
SUCH a good episode!
Don’t do it; you’ll get sued for millions
@@yeah_i_likeCartoons why is that?
@@veronicapiccinini7956 it’s a joke from the show
Another thing about the Ophelia painting is that the model for Ophelia, Elizabeth Siddal died of a drug overdose after her husband (the man who painted Ophelia) had been cheating on her and abusing her.
Oh getting into Elizabeth Siddal is a confusing mix. She either committed suicide by laudanum, died of tuberculosis or anorexia and even the role Dante Gabriel Rossetti played in it all is far from clear, either.
It’s not really known how she died, but I couldn’t find anything about her husband abusing her
The general consensus seems to be it was most likely the drugs that killed her? But apparently she died at 32, *which is how old Sarah Lynn was when she died*
@@RubyBlueUwU ⊃; Д ;)⊃
@@RubyBlueUwU DAAAAAAAAMN
I just noticed the notes on Sarah Lynn’s wall in her dressing room next to the wigs: “I love me” “I am in charge of my own destiny” “Mega-fame does not define me”.
The way the video cuts from the closeup of Sarah Lynn with the "I
The sad things is that Sarah Lynn’s character reminds me of my 23 year old self when I moved to Los angels. I wasn’t a child actor, but I did have a serious partying problem that was enabled by washed up actors and screen play writers twice my age. I was lucky I didn’t die. VERY lucky come to think about it
Sounds like a good idea for a movie script. No offense lol
On the Ophelia metaphor, it's also iportant to remember, in Hamlet, a large part of what fuels Ophelia's descent into insensibility is her distress over Hamlet's continual retreat further and further into himself as well as his inability to address her needs and her concerns. In this same way, Bojack's constant self-centered obsession with pathologically stressing over himself and his own problems deprives Sarah Lynn of much needed attention from her friend and leads to her suffocating under her vices.
Exactly! You nailed it.
Every character suffered throughout the show but Sarah Lynn always felt the most tragic. Even when she's in her early 30's, she comes across as a traumatized little girl. It kinda activated the paternal instinct in me and made me feel bad that nobody was protecting her.
I just rewatched the entire series for the first time since it ended (I was avoiding it because a lot is hard for me to watch; personal stuff) and I ended up SO angry with Bojack. The empathy I had for him really ran dry. That being said, what an absolutely fantastic story they told. There’s so much to admire. Waksberg, Hanawalt and all the others that contributed to the show are such gifted story tellers. When I tell you I think about that ending on the roof everyday, I’m not kidding 🤣 Great video! Nicely puts how I feel about Bojack into words.
Yass it’s an amazing show, but also don’t forget to always prioritize your triggers! The shock factor isn’t worth it if it will cause a trigger, so just be kind to yourself and respect your body’s red flags xoxo
Idk if you actually need to hear this but sometimes it’s nice to have mantras repeated by an outsider lol
@@Minimotionsickness thank you for the reminder! :)
@@Minimotionsickness this is so very true, it took me a year to finish it due to all the distress it caused me but damn it was so worth it
@@sarahni I also had to stop watching the show because it just made me feel like completely depressed and awful in a way no other show has. And while it has made me more introspective, I can't say that it's always the healthiest show.
Ikr! I ended almost every episode angry at him
Please do "Best Thing that Ever Happened" I truly think its the most underrated episode of the show and has some of the sharpest writing of any show period.
I LOVE that episode and agree that it's supremely underrated, will definitely look into breaking it down
YEEEES finally some love for that episode it's so underrated we literally explore the whole relation between PC and bojack in such a clever 26min episode
@@Johnny2Cellos Excellent :)
YES PLEASE THATS MY FAVORITE EPISODE
Just looked up what episode that was, and yes that ep is fucking brilliant. I probably wouldn't put it that high on a list of favorites (cause there are so many brilliant episodes), but id agree with it being the most underrated.
the third “sarah lynn?” broke me.
the way the music pauses. the cut to black. bojack’s pitch and volume both rise as he asks a third time. then a pure, bone-chilling silence.
Its sad how much I relate to "I don't like anything about myself" life is too much man!
That's honestly the only part of this episode that made me cry. That line and her existential, "W-what should I do? Am I doomed? Are you doomed?! All we all doomed?!"
@@aliceveil622 The whole show is full of moments that made me feel like I was completely messed up with how I relate. I never really cried though. I am pretty numb to a lot of things, cried too much when I was younger I guess lol
The sarah lynn's at the end always gives me chills
that last, “Sara Lynn?”, is so haunting
It's so bittersweet that "Right Sara Lynn?" still gets me emotional. I'm glad the writing and delivery is THAT good but hoo boy the random surge of emotions that come up with it.
i still think about bojack saying sarah lynn was the only girl he ever loved but he still wasnt willing to face consequences to save her life
i think that is adetail overlooked.... he thought she was already dead. bojack is the kinda man that would abuse all around him but die saving them as well. a person of extreme emotions and acts. but, he thought she was dead... and sealed her fate.
This show started off as a 6/10 comedy but grew into a 10/10 self aware depression depicting drama that i couldn't stop watching
i find it so interesting that she died of the “bojack” heroin. bojack Literally killed her
Bruh you're right-
1:58 To be fair, when BoJack didn't bother to find the real Todd, he probably didn't know where to find Todd after he left him. But also, this represents how at this point, BoJack still couldn't see Todd as anything but the 'kid' who crashes on his couch. So he didn't use his 'detective skills' to find Todd like he did with Penny.
I liked how the kid's parents, like Sarah Lynn's, were happy to capitalize on the incident, and it was a nice follow-up to show him being interviewed in the montage starting the series finale.
Seems pretty obvious when spelled out in black and white, but i just realized why 12yo Sarah Lynn insisted to run to Bojack's dressing room of all places: she was seeking help FROM HIM SPECIFICALLY. Not anybody else, not Sharona, who might have been able to help if she had chosen to open up to her.
Sarah Lynn seeking shelter at Bojack's was her silent plea for help to a man whom she considers to be her dad.
She wanted BOJACK to rescue her from danger and abuse.
And he was too self-absorbed to even aknowledge what was going on, let alone care about it.
Everytime i watch this episode my heart breaks a little further.
Also, with Sarah Lynn and Ophelia, there's this graveyard scene where undertakes are discussing whether she drowned by accident or on purpose and how its her fault for going into the water but it's Hamlet's fault because he killed her father and told her not only he doesn't love her anymore but he never did and everyone said it was bound to happen with Sarah Lynn while we know it wasn't, she'd probably stay sober longer and enjoy her life. Also, how highly she values Bojack, she was siting in a house full of drugs but it was Bojacks request that made her break the sobriety And Ophelia didn't get to live her own life as well, she was dependent on her father and brother and Hamlet and she just did whatever she was told to do and had no say in it and no control over it,to the point that when she lost the decisive people she just died.
or maybe it's like the coffee cup from Horsin Around, it's not that deep
Also how she's always Sarah Lynn, no one calls her by her name because they all see her only as a star, not a person
Sarah Lynn had her name changed when she was 3 years old.
Everyone always goes on and on about how she was an addict and everything, but the fact is, yeah, Sarah Lynn was months sober despite living in a house made of drugs! She had made a song that won an Oscar! She was genuinely doing better in her life and was prime for a comeback!
And Bojack didn't care. He just needed someone to go down with him and he found her.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Like a drowning man begging to be rescued......
Apparently the woman who modelled for the Ophelia painting *died from a drug overdose at 32* which is the same age Sarah Lynn was, so I think it really is that deep
Since Sarah Lynn did tell BoJack previously that she was just going sober since the high would be so amazing when she went back to drugs, I don't think we're meant to believe her sobriety would have lasted. *But* Bojack was the inciting incident, and he should have done everything he could to help her stay sober. What he did was indeed irredeemable.
11:23 three years later and I no longer feel the same about Bojack's last monologue to Sarah Lynn. It gets less sad and extra dark when you recognize that you the viewer are taking in Bojack's perspective.
He is the one who feels like she's not listening because she is non-responsive, immobilized.
His speech projects his own insecurities onto her, as if he was trying to make sure she'd be able to carry his last words. She is the one who has her full life ahead of her, and the addict brain logic thinks he should be the one that died that night. He projects his fate onto her and leaves, condemning her to struggle against death alone for well over 17 minutes off-camera.
The (lack of) depiction of Sarah Lynn's death, leaves the viewer with only the vibes of John Everett Millais' chilled out Ophelia to imagine her sadly and sweetly drifting into oblivion.
But that's not how either of them die. Ophelia is said to have chanted fragments of lyrics yet has no last words delivered to the audience. Sarah Lynn's death we learn was very grounded in realism, it's not discussed in Bojack because this is his show and he would go to lengths to avoid learning about the gritty details.
Sarah Lynn died trapped in her skin suit of exhausted muscles, panicking as she realizes she cannot not move, her lungs filling up with the alcohol her stomach is trying to force out. Her only light being that her friend is gone hopefully to get help, and she just has to hold on until he comes back and she does hold on for what would have felt like hours before she literally drowns on dry land (paramedics pumped her stomach, but it's harder to clear out lungs).
It's not sad because Sarah Lynn couldn't hear Bojack's sad monologue, it's absolutely devastating that he couldn't understand that garbled up versions of his speeches were what she had been holding onto as motivation to stay alive for a long time.
A month late, but thanks for this take. It's the first time I've seen it and that makes me sad, too.
But thank you.
i think the reason why he’s so avoidant on actually helping people with their emotions is because his whole life, his parents completely neglected his emotions, whenever he needed any sort of confort. we also see the same pattern happening with his mother when she needed her parents.
And his mother's mother needing comfort after the death of Crackerjack. She fell apart. Her husband did not console her and Bea did what she could as a child.
the fact that she was still alive in the planiterium and died on the way to the hospital. bojack had 17 minutes to save her but he chose himself
not even on the way to. she died IN the hospital. those extra 17 minutes could've been enough time for them to save her
Stories like this helped me realize that what someone did to me wasn't okay. That's why I love this show. It helped me process that what he did to me was NOT okay, and I pray it helps others too.
Will Arnett’s delivery of the last “Sarah Lynn” is perfect in every way. Will never not make me tear up
I remember Bojack waited like 17 minutes to call an ambulance. I don’t remember why. I wonder if he unconsciously wanted her to die, because she brought up so many of his feelings of guilt.
It was to make it look like he found her dead in the planetarium, to cover up the fact that he gave her the heroin
He didn't want people to know that they had been on a bender together because he worried about how it would look.
he thought she was already dead... which is in fact a significant thing to note. his actions were ultimately reprehensible and lead to her death, but if he realized she was still alive and it wasn't too late... he would have rushed her to the hospital.
he is selfish and toxic but he operated by 'significant gesters' as he said during his mom's funeral. spending like two weeks staying up to help find hollyhock's mom for example. a way to put it is that he pulls down so many people around him, even his closest friends, but would literally died to save any one of them.
I don't get why the 17 minute reveal was added to the show. The episode end clearly shows he thought she is dead, and panicked. Plus he was drugged. The 17 minute bit to me feels like forced change of things just for the wow effect, and it does not even fit with what was shown in season 3.
@@elkapro6534 ?
I’m so glad you covered this episode. It’s one of the best but it’s also the hardest to watch for me. I see it as a big turning point in the series.
there's six seasons and this is the season three finale, so in a way, well, I was going to say half way point but - even better - this is the view from half way down...
@@maybetomorrownewmaker that’s so clever I love it
Her last line was so heartbreaking, “I want to be an architect.” How would her life have looked if she had just been allowed to pursue the life she wanted
I always thought bojack and Sarah’s relationship was so uncomfortable.
Adding to Ophelia commentary: Ophelia was someone who was pulled in many directions in life (liking hamlet, being told not talk to hamlet, "oops made him go mad", being directed to talk to him once again) and she was never allowed to follow her path because of her status as a noblewoman, which is what I think ultimately lead her to her madness and death. This is similar to how Sarah Lynn was pulled between an authentic self and showbusiness. Additionally, though it is less significant, I just would like to acknowledge that Ophelia in her madness, including in her death, would sing, linking her, like Sarah Lynn, to expression through music. Where Ophelia's songs have significance (in particular the one where she talks about the girl sleeping with the man who then refused to marry her) this was overlooked by other characters on stage like how Sarah Lynn's cries for help were ignored by Bojack. Furthermore, since we receive such a detailed description of Ophelia's death, it would be safe to say that someone saw her drowning but did not help, and we know that Bojack waited to call 911 while she died. Both Ophelia's and Sarah Lynn's death were preventable, but those around them stood by and refused to intervene.
thank you for the analysis, it’s so interesting to learn all the ways that sara lynn connects to ophelia through this painting. I love how the show ties in things so subtly.
It was really rough watching this episode get storyboarded. Fun fact, a couple of the board artists kept putting people in scenes playing DS together in the background, but the notes team thought it was distracting, so it was changed. This breakdown was really good, as someone who worked on the show im still learning things about it, and mostly from your vids! Thanks Johnny!
Ah man, thanks Brian! We've gotta grab a drink when the world opens back up
That’s so cool! What’d you do on the show? If you don’t mind me asking
A planetarium is a kind of theater. Sarah-Lynn died in a theater, watching an image of the universe. And both bojack and sarah-lynn are Hollywood stars, and the real stars are out there, indifferent, and vast, and all we can see is projections of them
Damn that’s deep
Elizabeth Siddal, the model in Millais' Ophelia painting, died at age 32 from a laudanum overdose. The multiple levels of connection between Sarah Lynn and the painting is such fantastic storytelling.
This might be one of my favorite episodes.
And you just got yourself a new patron.
It's kinda funny how you have a Louise avatar in a Sarah Lynn video
@@LuckyBastard12345 I really enjoy Kristen Schaal. She was on Bless the Harts recently too in the Halloween episode.
one of the saddest parts of this episode is that bojack causes sarah lynn to break her 9 months of sobriety to go on a bender with him, constantly ignores her wishes to go to the planetarium, and brings her along while he tries to reconcile with the people he's hurt in the past, but he never tries to reconcile with her. sarah lynn is the only person he doesn't apologise to for the damage he caused her before he ultimately causes her death both by giving her the heroin that kills her and waiting 17 minutes to call an ambulance when immediate help could have saved her life
"the only thing that matters is this moment" was something that was so awfully true, because he could've saved her in that moment. it really DID matter but not in the way bojack considered
I thought the “Todd” apology was BoJack showing how little he knew about his “best friend” and how he takes advantage of him. Todd is an awesome friend, but BoJack sees him as replaceable, interchangeable with anyone.
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The thing I feel like a lot of people don't understand is that yes, Bojack is a bad person and he has done so many bad things. You aren't meant to forgive/support the actions that he does and the behaviour he conducts. Instead, you are meant to relate to him and his failures. All of us have done shitty things. Maybe not to the extremes with Charlotte and Sarah Lynn but we all have hurt people close to us. weather you want to admit it or not you have caused some of the pain in your life and that is why I love Bojack horseman. you can see your own shitty self in him. I don't think Bojack is a good person. i don't even think he always had good intentions. but by the end of the show, you see that he is trying. like we all are. Bojack has done so much for me so I'm sorry about my passion for this. I have been able to take a good look at myself and have been able to put so much of my insecurities and emotions into words which are helping me change.
I feel like this show has made me more aware of my own weaknesses and short comings, but it's also sort of dangerous. Sometimes it makes you feel like, yeah, I may not be doing great but at least I am aware of it.
And that can be a very self-serving attitude. I am trying to make changes but it's a hard, long journey.
@@rosesweetcharlotte as long as you can take action toward the harmful things you see in yourself, then you're on the right track and are like 2/3 of the way there! I guess it's the way that people interpret it and your right it can be dangerous. hell, some people might see this show and think "welp I know I'm shit, I'm gonna live the same way anyway and expect change." cause that is pretty much what Bojack does and I think the show can both encourage and discourage this behaviour. idk but thanks for your input! we are all there with you :)
@Brian Griffin thats a really good way of putting it!
For me, Bojack helps me put myself in the shoes of people who fuck up relationships and hurt people. It humanizes them without excusing their behavior, and makes my life more peaceful when I come from that perspective with people who have hurt me or my loved ones.
@@Tee-xt1cv of course! took the words out of my mouth. that's how I want to try and live my list as seeing people as humans instead of defining them by bad action alone since again we are all human, no one wakes up in the morning craving to be a dick head for the rest of there life.
This reminds me of when we see Beatrice’s back story and how she was sick and her father had to burn her items because they were infected. I took that metaphorically, now everything Bojack touches becomes tainted. She also tells Bojack that “Being broken is your birthright”. man, does this show hit hard...
My heart broke for Sarah when BoJack went to visit her after one of her concerts and she was so excited to see an old friend, but he was just there to ask her to guest star on his show to get his ratings up. He didn’t even try to hide it either
"no matter what happens, no matter how much it hurts, you dont stop dancing"
sounds similar to secretariat's advice on bojack:
"when you get sad, you run straight and you keep running forward no matter what"
This episode is almost always a make or break if you'll ask people if they like or hate bojack, For me it was a break for bojack's character, I enjoyed his character arc up until this point, but this truly made me hate him but admire his character and the people who wrote it, it's truly Well made
Edit: Typos
Until you learn that he left Sarah Lynn dying to save his own butt
I think the straw that breaks the camel's is in season 6 when we find out that he intentionally spent 19 minutes to get her help just so he could clean up his tracks
@@syrusangi8743 It was "17 minutes"
@@veronicapiccinini7956 2 minutes spent to call his phone with Sarah Lynn's n 17 minutes to wait till he called ambulance. Overall, 19 minutes spent cover his tracks
@@syrusangi8743 yep, you're right, for me it broke my heart hearing that
Every time I think about Sarah Lynn I get so overwhelmingly sad
As Goethe said, I guess: “Treat people as if they were what they ought to be and you help them to become what they are capable of being." The same applies backwards: treat people as the bad guys, as the losers, and that they will become.
Honestly, I think Bojack is not a hero. He's a villain. But not willingly. He's a tragic villain, someone who was framed as less than others from the beggining, that tried to fight against the place people tried to put him in (the loser, the idiot, the coward) and ended up in there again. Does he deserve it? Yes, but is it possible that people deserve to be hated and we choose to help them be better anyway if they ask us for help to be better? And what if they dont ask? If they can't even think of asking?
I think society puts people in a loop, or better said, society stigmatizes, it puts a mark on people for things they did, they are, or that happened to them to define them, and if they are bad, punish them or avoid them. How can "bad guys" become "good guys", or at least "better guys"? I think Bojack deep inside wants to be the good guy, but simply hasnt found the path or the teachers to become better. And he tries! But every time he tries, society again pushes him back into the bad guys side. I think Bojack is brave to try. And there is a good person deep down that is doing everything they can to not drown in evil. Its awful to see him do horrible things only to then make his own life and others bad again, but I see it as like in Halfway Down. That evil that consumes you...all he can do is keep trying to save himself, as fucked up as the path to become better for someone on Bojacks position can be.
Most people would like him to just die or to put him in living hell. Its insane and disturbing how a kid has been put through that all his life. I pity Bojack, I pity everyone that is damaged by him. I think society never reached him when he needed them, when he was still just the child abuse survivor, the damaged, the loser, the nerd. They only reached him when he was already degenerating into something terrible, and only to hurt him again.
I get that, but at the same time, it feels too soft and easy for people to use as a cop out.
Well said
Thank you for that comment/analysis!! I think it's really hard to realize as someone in Bojacks position how you contribute to your own missery and how you create the loop of negativity that you get stuck in. It's easy to blame others for what they do and not look inward to see where you went wrong. Because it's hard to see that if you don't get any positive role models who teach and show you that stuff.
I think the show did an amazing job portraying that realization setting in during the last season. You can see it so well in how his demeanor changes and how he copes with the life that he's got now.
Thank you for this. Also, people tend to just point the finger at BoJack, but Sarah Lynn also is responsible for her life, Charlotte for Penny, Herb also had a part in his issue with Bojack. Every analysis is "Bojack did this, Bojack did that, he was evil, he was wrong" but they don't consider where he comes from and others' bad decisions as well. Bojack made a lot of awful choices,but so did everyone else. Every analysis is about Bojack's faults and they satanize him while sanctifying everyone else.
@@melistiltskin7889 that's such an important point!! The series is about taking accountability for your actions, about how its wrong to harm others just because you've been hurt and how hard it can be to treat others the right way. Every story has two sides. I think that in the Sarah Lynn example... Her mental state wasn't good and I personally don't think that she even wanted to live anymore... It's noticeable in how easily she gave up her sobriety. Just like "yeah, I don't care, I've just been waiting for someone to bring my stash out"
I think he definitely loved Sarah Lynn. He just loved himself more. He loved her just not enough to choose her over himself and his reputation.
It's worth noting the history of the Ophelia painting itself, and just its context in Hamlet. The model for the painting was an artist named Elizabeth Siddal. To pose for the portrait she laid in a bath in the winter kept warm by oil lamps, but the lamps went out, and as a result developed pneumonia. This didn't kill her, but like Sarah Lynn she often suffered for her art, and was considered a great example of beauty and femininity.
She was also believed to be anorexic and addicted to laudinum, and would eventually die from a drug overdose which some believe was intentional.
Another comparison to Ophelia would be, that Ophelia’s Death wasn’t meaningful in itself. It is only ever shown through the eyes of Hamlet, who very much caused her to spiral. It’s about his role in her death, and how he has to cope after she dies. Just how Sarah Lynn is never really explored as her own character. We actually don’t know much about her, because we only see her (and her death) in relation to BoJack
one thing id like to mention about the ophelia painting is the backstory behind the model. posing for the painting nearly killed the girl yet she didnt dare move out of the bathtub she was laying in in case she would be blacklisted from posing for other paintings. painters models were also viewed as promiscuous and the profession was highly looked down upon. i feel like this relates a lot to sarah lynn, she was cold and alone as others painted her distress
Your analysis on almost everything is refreshing and enlightening. UA-cam needs more content like yours.
"Bojacks's most selfish act"
That's debatable. There's a loooong list for that spot.
The fact Sarah Lynn was sexually abused by her stepfather and Bojack was her *father figure* makes him sleeping with her even more disturbing and sad. Perhaps she felt that engaging in sexual acts with Bojack would make her feel that affection and love she wanted to bad. Even if it wasn't intended, he was inadvertently abusing the fact she had a messed up view of father daughter relationships and also reaffirming said view.
She was truly trying to achieve the life she seeked, trying to better herself, trying to regain being HER... and that call from Bojack took that away within seconds, and instead of doing the right thing, he preferred to focus on his own fears and wait 17 minutes, 17 minutes in which he could have done something to help, anything at all, but he didn't and now such burder will stick with him for life. THAT'S TOO MUCH, MAN
not only is ophelia's death thematically appropriate for sarah lynn, but the model for the painting, elizabeth siddal, also died of an overdose in her 30s
When Sarah Lynn gets drunk on Bojack's vodka on set (as a child), the vodka turns into a 'galaxy' pattern before she drinks it. It foreshadows how the start of her substance addiction is because of Bojack, and the end of her substance addiction is because of bojack (when she starts to die in the planetarium). Both times he left her alone, when she needed him the most. In the beginning and the end, Bojack was always more focused on himself, his own feelings, and that was the very reason Sarah Lynn succumbed to the substance abuse. Chilling.
The fact that the night she died she had to watch her stepfather who sexually abused her take her award on her behalf and act like he cared and that he missed her, while having a mental breakdown and spiraling trying to vent with Bojack who also crossed sexual boundaries with her who act like he cared only for him to let her waste away for 17 minutes.