@@wall57805Just beat it an hour ago. Best dlc in the series with some of the deepest lore under the hood. It explains how the erdtree/elden ring was created etc... so cool
For me, the worst part of Echoes was that the mirror "puzzle" was solved for you by them just waypointing the correct place to stand. Lame. Otherwise, I love having Failsafe back, and I think people aren't understanding that this is just PART ONE, not the end of what we used to call a season.
It would be SO sick if "the Conductor" was the original Saint- 14. That's why he couldn't ignore the voice and that's why the Vex are using Vanguard battle tactics
The main thing people expected as "a fresh and new way to tell stories" was getting the entire episode dumped on everyone day 1. So they can then run through it and complain it was too short. Or not enough. And if its not having an entire episode available day 1, then its having more cutscenes and more actual missions akin to a campaign. But in this case a mini campaign. That would be fresh for the game. Like develop a story for the episode and then create missions that take us through that story. With cutscenes. All that. Thats most likely what everyone wants.
I honestly thing the new episodes are going to be similar to seasons of the past, except we get new activities more often. Seasons, they dump all the new activities on you straight away, and then you repeat them the entire time. Episodes, it feels like they're giving us some activities for the first part of the story, come part 2 they'll add new activities (probably working to figure out who the conductor is), and come part 3 the new activity will be sabotaging the conductor. Or I could be huffing the copium. That said, Datto's right, they added so much stuff in the base game I haven't really had the chance to explore the echos stuff outside of the story mission, simply because I've been prioritizing getting a good class item, a good ergo sum, grinding out a good linear from this weeks GM, mastering the raid, etc...
@@3DaDon. I think some people have just come to hate anything even somewhat goofy/fun. Like MCU started leaning in to the goofiness a little more, and when general sentiment turned on that whole style of humor, people leaned away from it... and then just KEPT leaning further and further away, until they started getting unreasonably angry about it. Obviously I don't mean that's EVERYONE, there are valid criticisms for everything. It's just something I notice now. Ever since people started disliking MCU's humor, that sentiment has spread to most other things, and it has also grown by a LOT. It became "cool" to hate on that kind of humor, and as with ANYTHING that becomes "cool" on the internet, it spiraled out of control and people started WAY overdoing it, and now we get a portion of the vocal minority (IE, internet people) who just hate anything in the realm of goofy/silly.
I think it's impossible to tell the quality of episodes vs seasons until we've had at least one full episode. We've had 15 seasons, and we've had 1/3rd of an episode so far.
@@marko0os_first impressions are everything to people who will leave well enough alone if something isn’t to their taste, not to people who have a stake in something already, if you watch datto you’re invested in destiny and will give bungie the benefit of the doubt whenever they goof because they can come back from their mistakes later and be hailed as saving destiny over and over again
They might edit terrain based on what phase the story is. Currently we have default Nessus for patrol, with like four areas with coral vex, so during act 2 maybe we see the terrain change. Then in act 3 we have extreme change, but we don’t see those changes until each act activates. Would make sense for the opening of the next act in the episode to evolve or change the area to match the story, so we see the pace of the change in chronological order, rather than sudden changes as the first person who completes act 2 for everyone to see (this would likely help prevent spoilers in the episode as well.)
I really hope they change the terrain more massively, like please put the drained cistern in as the new patrol version, it's so cool. Just wasting it on a single mission just sucks.
@@FireStriker_ they could do it, like they did in season of the haunted, but it'd come at the cost of other new activities in that episode. Given the reaction of some of the community rn, i don't know that i wish it upon bungie to have to listen to complaints of "all they give us for act 2 is a public event?! This is worse than __________ or something like that
@@aljazslemc9569 haunted didnt given us a new public event? And im not asking for a repeat of season of the worthy but using some of the ideas in the breach protocol as new public events. even if its a reskin of an existing public event this would come a long way to make the patrol space feel fresh and inviting to long term players and not just a year 1 location that is timelocked to the red war
I'm honestly fine with the new structure, micro droughts of a few weeks offer up a chance to catch up on other things and progressing other characters, and if they sprinkle in stuff like iron banner I'm more likely to engage in it. Will definitely wait until we see it finished to judge. My only real critique is the end of act 1 of a 3 act story I would have liked an introduction to the villain, even a small cut scene to set the rest of the chapter up.
I kind of feel people were expecting episodes to be something different compared to seasons of years past. I mean I'm not upset as most people, but I would love to see some different to spice up the episodes compared to seasons. I know this came out with final shape so I hope Revenant and Heresy can be more fleshed out and interesting to play compared to seasons.
From the ‘journey ahead’ video destiny released, they mentioned another crafting system in revenant? I think it was called, as well as a ‘monster hunter/vampire hunter’ theme for the episode. For Heresy they mentioned that we’d become ‘the navigator’ and they threw around the word ‘eldritch’ a lot.
I learned years ago to not really expect anything unless it's explicitly and clearly confirmed by Bungie themselves, since they never really went into detail about how it would actually be different from seasons I just expected the differences to be a bunch of very minor things that are ultimately meaningless and that the core seasonal loop some people dislike would be basically unchanged.
I mean, what are we actually expecting other than for them to release the entire act in 1 day? Enigma Protocol's entrance was like whisper levels of secret. Was a change up. I honestly don't know what people are expecting if it's not just "give us all the quests at once"
It just feels like the same quality and quantity but over a longer time frame, but this did come with TFS and we are only in act one so im hoping it turns around for the better :)
@@lucienmoolman8017 he aint wrong, narrative in seasonal content has been hot garbage and if you think otherwise then you probably dont want to accept it
@@lucienmoolman8017 I think some people are just so mad at the game that they just cannot see that the game has had some changes in recent years that have made the game a lot better. Game's not perfect, but it's not bad.
I’m impressed that the destiny community managed to be happy for 2 weeks before we went back to hating the game. Maybe in 10 years, when the next X and Y saga is over, we can do it again
People just need to stop thinking seasonal content will be good and only play the expansions. But they can't. They're addicted so they'd rather just be moany little f'ers 24/7 365.
@@oxsilaThis. Bungie is not capable of making consistently good live service content. Their strength has always been big boxes of content. The expansions are the closest we will get to that.
@@115zombies935so then don’t release anything at all if it’s going to be garbage? Why do something if you aren’t going to try and put your all into it… it’s people like you that are the reason this game gets shield from necessary criticism, if the content is bad the game is bad. No exceptions.
@@thanos3163 Not gonna lie, this is a stupid reply. People like you who defend this garbage content is why this game will never live up to its potential and why Bungie will always deliver the minimum whenever possible. Yes, they shouldn’t make anything if it’s going to be garbage. Make something good, or don’t make anything at all.
I think the biggest problem is that Bungie promised us something different. What we’ve gotten is good enough for the old seasonal standard, but Bungie still hasn’t delivered on the promise of something new
They changed the timeframes and are bringing back old, beloved weapons with the new seasonal weapons. You get the same amount of content but spread further, with more gear, a better activity, so we're not sat for 1, 2 or 3 months with nothing new to do in the season. I prefer this drip-fed method, let's you breathe so you can get other stuff done.
@@Dynasty1818 hmm, the issue is that we're still sitting here for weeks at a time with nothing to do. Previously it was just weekly drip fed story 5 minutes at a time with some seasonal content to play before the story. Now it's exactly the same but only 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off. We aren't getting *more* story for those 3 weeks, it's 1 activity, a bit of patrol and 5 minutes of story at most.
@@krackawoody2556 I agree that we should wait for all 3 acts to decide whether they delivered, I do also think however that its important to give feedback on how it feels along the way. Especially if that means future episodes can be adjusted in *some* way.
I love this change. It allows us to have a simple activity to farm for a couple of weeks and then give us a break to go play other games. I’m tired of feeling like I need to constantly play the game to stay caught up. This is ultimately just going to create a healthier relationship with the game for many players. Of course my opinion could change if the next two acts are mid.
I'm seconding this, so far I have been enjoying being able to come to and from the game while focusing on my life outside of video games and not having to worry that I am going to be missing things.
The way my schedule is, I have more time to play every other week. It's nice to be able to catch up a bit after being busy with other responsibilities.
I’m fine with. I realise it might not be perfect for content creators but for someone who can’t play all day every day, I’ve been very happy with it. I’ve got through it now but have still been able to play some crucible, run some strikes etc. it didn’t take over everything which I kind of like.
I think this is still moving in the right direction, just painfully slowly Byf pointed out the best week-by-week seasons were Chosen and Splicer, and while Haunted was strong in story and Witch, Deep, and Wish had strong activities, they all suffered from the week-by-week pacing. This is “better” but not by much, yet
Week by week pacing really isn't the issue of seasons. It's bungie's reluctance to just innovate the delivery. They did a little with enigma protocol, but they need to go further. Just giving us all the content in 1 day is only going to end in 99 days of content drought coz no lifes beat it all in 24 hours.
@@oxsila Yeah youre right, thats not the issue, the issue is Bungies piss poor story team. They have no idea what they are doing other than making obscure lore entries. I mean really. Act 1 could be summed up into the last mission. You know the one that lead to our main character being conveniently taken and spoke to the big bad of the week. 3 weeks and all we got is some guy is doing some thing and the Vex are corrupted somehow...But like Saint was just stolen from the plot to tell us this. Its shite writing. Edit: The pacing is still an issue tho, because like Byf said in his video, if you do it week by week its so painfully slow that you either forget, or get annoyed by the "Failsafe is doing x, please wait" but if you do it all in the last week things just happen out of the blue straight away with...no............pacing.
They are seasons but slightly worse because there is even more time gating and even more padding. I dont see why people are saying they are basically seasons because so far, it feels like we've barely gotten anything, both storytelling and gameplay wise. When compared to previous launch seasons within the same timeframe. Like are you really going to try and convince me that this is on par with risen or defiance? It doesnt help that the past year for seasonal story telling can be summed up with "listen to the same character say the same thing theyve said each week, then go do the activity, then go do the same thing you did in freeroam last week but in a different area, then listen to characters talk about how what happened this week was so baffling even though its the same thing that happened last week but in a differentarea, then tease next week, rinse repeat".
people wanted a non-stop story with no lulls in story telling. Act 1 slowed us down, let us catch our breath after the non-stop of Final shape while also setting up a new threat with the vex.
Isnt even a new threat tho. Just more of the same but with a different cause. Vex are like insects, and im pretty sure the old vex are solo thinkers...this is just more of the same hive mind that isnt the vexes. Nothing relates to us tho nor why we care other than being an invasive military group who "Inspect" things and act upon them. Which, you know, wouldnt even happen if not for the heavily convenient kidnapping of one of our best titans the world has ever seen.
I think some people just can't be happy unless the collective Internet they engage with is happy. The episode is good content to engage with weekly. I play the seasonal for the rewards then hit the pale heart, do Nightfalls, a dungeon or two. More of my friends are on and I'm having a blast. Just play the content you have fun with then get off, or play another game until reset. There's a lot of good stuff out there!
Copium* Same price $100, 1 raid, 1 dungeon, 3 seasons. The Final Scam...it will never be OK. Except, gamers make a living shilling & letting bad business slide, because "content." But, after a break they will give us more reprised weapons & "more activities like a wave shooter." (Oh, joy!) Man, let D2 die to force Bungie to innovate...it's been a decade of the same exact same stuff on repeat. Let it go...
Because its not the same, in GI you can play every act from the begining of their version. In Destiny you need to wait not only for the next act to start, but wait to continue the current arc, weekly. For example, Genshin Impact latest chapter, "Chapter IV, Act VI - Bedtime Story" is divided by three missions (one of the shortest), if Hoyoverse had the same narrative model as Bungie those 3 mission would take 3 whole weeks to play them. Also there are Legendary Missions, Events and Side-Quest to fill the gaps. And yes, GI also have time gated content, even when I still don't like that, you just need to wait... one week. Its not the same.
Datto: "I don't know where this idea came from that people felt like Episodes would be drastically different from Seasons. *Proceeds to quote Bungie, describing why players felt like things would be drastically different.* It's not wrong for people to not like how Seasons/Episodes are done. They're terribly presented, the content is spread far too thin, it's the bare minimum to care about week to week. I get it, Bungie wants SOMETHING for people to login for. But instead of it being a weekly cliffhanger of content, it ends up being "chores chores chores to find out 'what happens,' only to get led along with nothing of substance." MAYBE something big happens at the end of a Season, or...Bungie pulls a name out of the lore, assigns it to a random faction-based big dude that players then kill. And again, same question I always ask...if this content gets removed after a year of being in the game...why on earth should I bother caring to log in? Bungie treats it as temporary, they clearly don't want us to invest in it long term as concrete story that they WANT people relive or see for the first time.
I really do wish the seasonal activities that change the geometry would actually change the geometry in patrol. I remember thinking this back in season of the chosen and with each season that want has only grown.
I really hate the whole Osiris & Saint-14 romance lovey dovey shit in this episode. They were much better when they were just brothers in arms but making them both gay and in a relationship has really ruined their character development and destroyed their much cooler backgrounds.
Oh damn! Having locations properly evolve throughout the story would be awesome! I bet it would feel like Meridia in Helldivers 2 where the place went from a lush green jungle, to a bug-infested hellscape, to a black hole/wormhole thing!
That’s what we were promised by Luke smith way back when seasons were first made a thing. He kind of fulfilled on it but a lot of what “evolved “ de-evolved after the season.
Lets be honest here... People is never happy... In other words people don t even know what they want... So people will keep crying and complaining about absurd shit.. Or is because the story was short or the story was too long or the grind is too much, etc etc... Just stop playing the game then and stop pissing others people who actually liking the story or even the game himself...
WALL OF TEXT BELOW I think it's been good so far. The activities aren't groundbreaking or anything, but they've got a decent amount of variety in what you're doing minute-to-minute. It's good that we're finally getting a reason for them keeping Nessus in the game, compared to something like Titan or the Tangled Shore. We'll have to see how well they'll deliver their promises of more frequent and deeper storytelling, and they're obviously experimenting with a longer-form storytelling format. With any luck, the coming Acts won't just bring more story content as we expect, but will also include either new activities or evolve the current activities. I also like that they're trying to expand on the Vex and make them more narratively compelling. Without any sort of face or personality to latch onto, our allies have had to carry the entirety of the exposition and emotional core of the story. Compared to antagonists like Skolas and Eramis, Gaul, Calus, and temporarily Caiatl, the Hive gods, the Scorned Barons and Uldren, the Nightmares on the Moon and Derelict Leviathan, Rhulk, Nezarec, and especially the Witness, the Vex have never had anything for the player to latch onto. There's never been a real story to them, just another generic doomsday threat that needs to be dealt with. This 'Conductor' and the change that they're invoking upon the Vex is a breath of fresh air, especially with the doubts they have seeded within Saint, who had previously been so sure of his own place in the world. Even when Mithrax brought the House of Light into the fold and forced him to understand the fear he inflicted upon the Eliksni in his past, he was able to quickly reconcile with it and accept that he needs to be better. He made an effort to understand and made fast friends with the people he had previously seen as sworn enemies of humanity. This existential crisis is completely different from anything we've seen from him thus far, and it's especially tragic given that it comes on the heels of the defeat of the Witness, which is the opportunity that he and Osiris had been waiting for to strike out and explore the universe together. The only real problem I've had so far is Failsafe. I have never liked Failsafe. I can sympathize with her plight, but to this day, I detest the direction they took with her, both the split personality and the flippant word choices in what should be serious moments. In Forsaken and especially Final Shape, we saw them course-correct with Cayde, where he regained the cavalier charm of his D1 self that allowed him to make jokes without ruining a serious moment, and we saw him get deadly serious and even melancholy several times in Final Shape. Failsafe is a remnant of D2Y1 writing that they are only just now in the process of correcting, and she's a lot better comparatively, but to me they have not yet hit the balance that she needs to be endearing. That's my unsolicited opinion.
I think they're going in the right direction with Failsafe after the disaster that was nimbus. I at least chuckle at Failsafe's jokes. One guy I play with even said he likes her dialogue better than what they did with Cayde. I have a soft spot for Nathan Fillion, so I'm having a hard time agreeing, but see his point at least.
Im shocked that people are expecting more, especially considering the monster dlc we just got. The first season of any given expansion has always been mid or even bad. Honestly people need to stop expecting so much and just play the game for fun. Its a game. It isnt neant to be taken so freakin seriously. Edit: I'd like to point out that the world can change because nessus already got changed with the addition of caitls big land tank
Any time people have complained about it, my default answer is "We are literally one third into our first episode. Give it a bit of time." Right now the community is just giving off the vibe that they want all of their favourite 22-season TV shows condensed into 180 hour movies XD
Episodes are a chance to rebrand and sneak in more monetization. Simple as that. Judging episode 1 now is stupid as we're a third of the way through. But even with that said the changes made are blatantly to gain more monetization from the model overall. 100% no question. It's worrying to me that people can't see that
I think Bungie just needed to go into more specifics when they explained how the episodic structure would be. When they announced it, I thought all the story for the act 1 would drop on day 1... then it dropped, and I looked at the quest steps and triumphs, I realized it was going to be this "3 weeks on, 3 weeks off." thing. It makes sense to me, a season would pretty much only have story for half the weeks, so it's basically that way with acts, but I don't think it's what anybody was expecting from how they sold it. If they'd just explained how the structure was going to go instead of giving all the empty marketing speak... well people would still have been mad... but at least they could have explained the thinking behind it, and people would have been prepared.
Heck we don’t know when the dungeons release, if there is a reprised raid or even if episodes enter the Dcv after a year. They told us it was new, hyped it up and marketed it to us then stoped taking about whats new and expect us to guess how it’s going to work.
Youre talking about a company that said the Beta for Destiny 1 was 10% of the overall content for the game....but later came to find out that the beta was more like 65-70%.
I think a lot of people are getting way too worked up over this. Obviously Bungie's goal is for episodes to be different down the line but the season after TFS was always gonna be a bit more basic. If the first three episodes come out and they're just glorified seasons, then I can understand picking up the pitchforks.
LOL im the only one who thinks this whole new DLC is just ok. I find it a mess of junk thrown together like the puzzles I cant stand if it weren't for youtube to show me wtf to do I would have uninstalled this game weeks ago, but I seem to be the only one that feels this way. Must be me eh!
When you get off a roller coaster, you can't get right back on another one and expect to feel that same rush. You have to hop off and let yourself come down from that high for a bit.
If there was no time gating like Datto says people would blow through the content in a day, resulting in comments of "nothing to do for 3 months, dead game" etc. Bungie really can't win here.
@@AWatson87watch the my name is byf video on this. Timegating is good for that reason but only if it fits the narrative. Two weeks of no story progression is ridiculous for something that is currently happening to the vex in real time. I’m fine with waiting a week for new story but when the little bit of story they give me is only good every other three weeks it’s really disappointing. I love all other aspects of this season but that
@@AWatson87 but with timegating you get people like me that dont even want to fucking bother with the timegated stuff each week because its such little content, trust me, they win less with timegating
To be honest it feels the same or worse than the seasons, in my opinion I think it would be better to release what you have of content in 2 or 3 weeks and not put stupid missions or seasonal activities that no one wants to play and you only play because you have to the story or the loot, but they are incredibly boring and equal to each other, I don't understand the reasoning that it is better to get a little out each week because if you don't play everything in a week or two, I mean it's not more content, it's like in Instead of eating an ice cream one day you eat 1/10 of an ice cream every day, it makes no sense not to want the content to be available from the beginning, if you want to play a little each week you can do it anyway, but that's where you decide, not them when you play, and they don't try to sell you something that is bad and short like something that lasts months
Petition to make eververse itself have a bright engram pathfinder with hard objectives, and the more you collect the better your chances for better stuff. No paying. Previous seasonal gear/ornaments included.
I was hoping we could play all the missions for an act at once or at least a couple mini-campaign-like missions but in the back of my head I was thinking it’s just gonna be the same thing😂 But of course I’m still gonna play😂
once again, people who thought episodes weren't gonna be seasons 2 need a big reality check. Episodes are just seasons but with content that's more self-contained vs. tying into one-another. But the seasonal model was always gonna stay. Which is why bungie shot themselves in the foot marketing episodes as this big deal when in reality they should've just stuck with seasons if they didn't plan on changing much
It's not that we thought they'd be different, we knew they wouldn't. But seasons or episodes, call them whatever people want, aren't good enough for 2/3 of Destiny's player base.. which is why 2/3 of the player-base leaves in the months following the major expansions. Edit: Oh, and ofc Datto thinks they're okay, he barely cares about the story and makes millions of dollars playing the game. It was a fun expansion, nothing has changed, most of us will see you all at Frontiers.
Bungie went on camera in multiple interviews specifically saying that Episodes would be different from seasons. That set some expectations that I think are completely reasonable. Episodes are literally seasons, there's no difference between them. But now we're all stupid for having expectations and we should just assume nothing Bungie says is ever true? They were the ones who decided to hype them up. They could have called it Season of the Echoes and nobody would have known or cared.
I mean by Bungies own words they said the content delivery would be different, but its the same, just timegated and more spaced out over a longer period of time. Byf made a great video on the Episodes recentl, which explains peoples dislike for them.
@@BrocKelley Personally I feel like the actual season/episode activity is just not interesting enough most of the time. All you really are doing is just dismantling all the gear because all of it can be crafted anyway unless you get a good armor roll. So it might as well auto dismantle your weapon drops and the activity itself is most of the time not interesting enough in terms of mechanics and usually feels like more of the same. Some times people say that the loot is insane during this season and so on(in terms of how much loot you get), but if the loot is basically auto dismantle anyway is it really that exciting. Also the narrative might get something new each week, but after that you are basically back to the same old seasonal activity or the same content you have been doing for years already. It just gets repetitive.
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I dont really like what they did with fail safes 2nd voice. Its completely different in terms of personality to the point where having the second voice (supposed to be two opposites) doesn’t matter and adds zero comedy anymore
Yeah, I just can't summon the energy to get as upset as people seemingly are online. Even if absolutely nothing else changed beyond having it be 3 seasons a year instead of 4... is the story/content quality remained totally the same, I'd be FINE. Especially if it means whatever the next expansion is, assuming there's another expansion, rivals TFS or WQ in quality because Bungie isn't breaking their back trying to ship a Season every three months. There's so much other shit out there to play, got 0 qualms with that. I do think Episodes may have a bit more in store than what we've seen so far, but I also am not expecting it to be a great deal more / surprising.
I have to be honest i actually like Episodes its a good change from the seasonal model because we get new content every week through an act and when an act ends its not the end because we get more content a few weeks later.... When it came to the seasonal model i guess you could say the content is one and done in other words its over once you beat it yes you could go back in and do the seasonal content over and over again but that got old....I feel the episode model is better than the seasonal model because the content won't get stale due to the fact that we get content every week through out an act once that act ends we wait a couple weeks and than we get new content, episodes are designed to keep us engaged and allow us to have new content throughout the entirety of a season.... I don't understand the problem people have with that, are content is being refreshed and will not become stale anymore???
The thing is, I think most of the issue stems from Act I coinciding with the launch of TFS, offset by only a week. You cannot make your Act I content more compelling than the expansion, because then youre forcing your playerbase to make a choice between the compelling seasonal content not being spoiled and the expansion itself not being spoiled. Echoes isn't the BEST, but I do think theres already some bright spots. Just the fact that they already broke up the "do activity go back to Vendor" stuff with Saint being hijacked is a huge departure from the previous pacing. The timing builds tension and suspense while Iron Banner goes on, and then the next Act starts innediately after it ends.
I would argue the offset week positively impacts act 1, next act we finish on week 3 and not week 4 like we did in act 1. The gap is gonna feel larger in act 2 as a result
i feel like act 1 is lean on purpose to give you time to do stuff in the new destination etc, returning players have a lot of stuff to get done also, im guessing the other acts will be a lot more impactful
@@wrythe777 sadly that is not the case because acts 2 and 3 are the same 3 week on 3 weeks off. Act 2 and by extension Act 3 will have at most 2 story missions divided by a filler fetch quest like act 1 was. Besides Its not like act 1 is void of content or any leaner then the typical season. If anything Echoes has more content then Undying, Hunt, Risen or Defiance. We got 2 seasonal activities and the weekly story bits are the same predictable fetch quests. The issues stem from the fact bungie can’t even comfortably make 3 weeks of content without useless filler. Week 2 can be skipped entirely. I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking why didnt saint get brainwashed in week 2 and not week 3. We could atleast get another week to move the story forward learning more about the conductor and gathering intel for failsafe to process over the next few weeks. As it stand act 1 ends with us wanting to get revenge on the conductor but Ikora pops up and says not so fast. There isn’t even a narrative reason for this break
Yeah its a departure from previous pacing because the third mission is literally "Main character is taken and is told everything you need to know" which is odd, unbelievable and heavily convenient. Youre telling me to believe that our beast of a warrior main character was just corrupted and kidnapped? Show me. Youre telling me that he is talking with someone who openly told him he was behind everything? Great story telling 👍 Cant wait for the next Act where the first 2 missions do nothing then in the last The Conductor tells us everything we need to know for the plot to move along again..
@@FireStriker_ Getting revenge? Why? Nothing about this story is revengeful or engaging in anyway. The vex are corrupted and we have no idea what that means, why its happening or why we even care. The conductor may have kidnapped Saint and spoke to him but thats no more insidious as a religious person trying to open a gullible atheists minds eye...but that doesnt mean we should go out and actively try and kill the guy. I feel like youre creating more of a story than what is here because the writers dont seem to care..
Vex are not supposed to retreat. The whole thing is that they see themselves as expendable for the goal. Its what makes them predictable. This change is...worrying.
Breach Executable is fine... if you're a semi-competant player. I've noticed that it gives much less obvious hints as to what to do during the encounters to the point that if you get even one, let alone two people who don't know what to do, then you simply will not be able to get the activity done in a reasonable time. I'm all for making things just a little more difficult, but having more blueberries on after an expansion launch, as well as not being able to quickly communicate as easily if you're on console like I am, then BE can be quite the unfortunate drag. Hopefully this gets better with time, but right now, whilst the activity itself is fine, the current experience isn't.
I tend to be more of an end game player and mostly still play for day 1s, low mans, and flawless raids, so I may be out of touch, but legitametly how are people struggling? Im not being like"oh how are people so bad that they cant even do this lmfao," like I have a friend who started midway through lightfall, I have nothing against new people or those who don't know as much, just legitametly how can you get stuck there?
@@EepyGirlLava people constantly, needlessly dying, not dunking motes and not engaging with mechanics. It really makes the activity drag on. It's gotten a little better now after the changes to the pistons, but people STILL like rushing past them and not at least checking to see if everyone else in the lobby is ready for the next encounter or boss
They could have made a little difference by rolling out each act in chunks. So act 1 all together in week 1. And so on. But it's the same shit, different toilet.
I’d rather have the full act available on the same day of release, sure split each act up across multiple months. But I’m tired of getting small amounts each week…
Honestly the nessus changes should be permanent regardless of how far along people are in the story. The leviathan is still in the moon’s skybox even if your playing old content from shadowkeep when it was supposed to be at Nessus. It’s a cool addition and it should stick around to freshen the space up
it would of been perfect to give Nessus the pale heart patrol treatment during this episode, it was an easy layup for the studio to do but dropped the ball on that. could of had its own pathfinder tree as well.
Might have been a studio resource issue. I agree that they should implement pathfinder trees for whatever zone the episodic focus is, though. It would give players a reason to actually spend free time there.
If people don’t like Failsafe they’re wrong They’re literally the only funny character in the entire game, let us have our AI Cayde The reason the time gate conversation started again is because they’re charging us extra silver just to wait longer 💀 we are paying to stand around and do nothing to pretend the episodes are longer
Bungie: We want to shake things up a bit and bring more surprises in the future. Average Destiny 2 player when the new episode isn't IMMEDIATELY the greatest thing in the history of gaming: BUNGIE LIED PEOPLE DIED
More like, Bungie when their producers make asinine statements and the content moto remains the same; both in delivery and quality: The communities' actual reaction to the poor quality content and Bungie's marketing of said content: "lol" Same shit, different day bud.
3 on, 3 off will take some getting used to. Also, historically, the "season" that launches with the expansion has been not quite as strong as later seasons
Me personally I'm pretty indifferent. I have other games I want to play so it's nice to have a broader episode/season so they can have long story elements and I can play something else
It's weird that people are being so hard on Episodes considering we're literally only one act deep in the first Episode. Some people are way too impatient to reserve judgement until we at least get through act 3. Like this Episode came with the expansion and historically seasons that drop with expansions are always light on content.
i have to agree with this because, like, the end of this act is a pretty big deal, right? We have this vex(?) consciousness that seems to have some pretty intense power with a motive that is very different from any bad-guy we've shot up before in Destiny. I'm enjoying the seasonal activities so far and the weapons are incredible. Literally some of the best seasonal weapons we've ever gotten and we don't yet have what will probably be the best of the seasonal weapons yet. We also don't have the seasonal exotic (if, in fact, we're going to get one). I've not enjoyed the activity as much as like The Coil or Deep Dive but it's released next to an expansion so let's compare apples to apples... I think it's very fair to say this is the best expansion-timed season we've gotten.
First impressions matter and if it doesn't hook you from the start then most of the people are already gone or onto another game before anything else can launch.
good luck seeing much of anything changing in episode 2 cuz I'd wager most of that is already halfway into production and probably would take till episode 3 for any significant changes. Change that Episodes are supposed to do in the first place replacing seasons
One thing id love with the episodes, now that the saga concluded, is big changes to destinations like now with nessus it would be cool to have that part that changed for the story mission being part of the patrol zone. At this point nessus and the EDZ are kinda pointless beacuse the Red War campaing dont exist anymore so they could change zones and not lose much while giving them new purposse instead of just being remmenants of the past with nothing going on
I think Episodes and acts would benefit from an A and B plot kind of situation. The A plot is dumped whole sale at the beginning of an episode and would be the story missions while the B plot provides exposition and introduces the various mechanical pieces for the seasonal activity (New encounter, collecting materials and samples) this wouldnt then have as many dialogue sections where we have several character standing together and talking but instead just the seasonal vendor delivering a monologue
Same unfortunately. FS is the most overrated piece of content I’ve seen in a long time, and I think the mix of episodes as well as shadow of the erdtree will make people realise just how mediocre this game and expansion still is. I’ve honestly had enough of the drip feed, barebones nature of this game now. I thought FS would pull me back in… it’s done the opposite sadly
My problems with Breach Executable are that the Cabal encounter is kinda buggy, the Hydra boss is just obnoxius with the modifiers on a boss type that's already bottom of the barrel for me and on more than one occasion the end dialogue hasn't triggered so while I can loot the chests, the activity never ends and I don't get a completion towards my weekly pinnacle. Also the weekly challenge of completing it 3 times on ANY difficulty only works on normal so if I want both pinnacles it's 3 normal clears & 3 expert clears when based on wording 3 experts should do. My problem with Enigma is that while I enjoy the seasonal activity being a tightish timer speedrun, Bungo for some reason decided to make the main mechanic of extending time a knowledge check. If you're doing it match made good luck trying to get through if you don't already know where the extenders are because nobody else sure as hell ain't even looking. Once you know where they all are, you just know. At least in my experience the main mech being hidden caused this to be a "watch a YT guide to learn the spots and carry or you ain't clearing this shit". Why not just use points of progression as time extenders?
I think it really changed depending on the encounters you got/what modifiers were active. One week I was breezing through expert, next week was a STRUGGLE.
I mean yeah, you said it yourself, the reason I, and many others, and pissed isn't because the content we have had is bad or worse than before, but they put SO much effort into telling us thats its going to be different, fresh, whatever way you wanna describe it. But the only REAL difference so far is that now I have to wait 3 weeks for more story instead of one.
I think set gear would be cool. And for the people that don’t want to raid to get set gear, give those players a way to get some sort of tokens from other hard content that they can trade for the set pieces. Even if the set pieces are only cosmetic. I would chase those down.
Dude I haven't touched the season apart from the opening mission we got on reset week two. I've got so much to do in the game there's no point starting it yet. I'm not at max light I'm just taking my time and enjoying the ride
Activities are fine. Story is fine. Time-gating is a necessary evil to maintain a healthy production cycle. Can it be better? Sure. But that's not our job
Seasonal content sure exists.
Does it tho? (shadow of the erdtree)
@@wall57805What does the elden ring DLC have to do with seasonal content?
@@wall57805Just beat it an hour ago. Best dlc in the series with some of the deepest lore under the hood. It explains how the erdtree/elden ring was created etc... so cool
@@Plagiarismm "something something" i could be playing that [aditional yapping]
@@Depression_timelost Fair enough.
For me, the worst part of Echoes was that the mirror "puzzle" was solved for you by them just waypointing the correct place to stand. Lame. Otherwise, I love having Failsafe back, and I think people aren't understanding that this is just PART ONE, not the end of what we used to call a season.
Honestly faislafe’s voiceacting was worth the season already she’s such an interesting and lovable character
She's not glados, well tbh noone can beat that machine in fantastic writing
It would be SO sick if "the Conductor" was the original Saint- 14.
That's why he couldn't ignore the voice and that's why the Vex are using Vanguard battle tactics
The main thing people expected as "a fresh and new way to tell stories" was getting the entire episode dumped on everyone day 1.
So they can then run through it and complain it was too short. Or not enough. And if its not having an entire episode available day 1, then its having more cutscenes and more actual missions akin to a campaign. But in this case a mini campaign.
That would be fresh for the game. Like develop a story for the episode and then create missions that take us through that story. With cutscenes. All that.
Thats most likely what everyone wants.
I honestly thing the new episodes are going to be similar to seasons of the past, except we get new activities more often.
Seasons, they dump all the new activities on you straight away, and then you repeat them the entire time.
Episodes, it feels like they're giving us some activities for the first part of the story, come part 2 they'll add new activities (probably working to figure out who the conductor is), and come part 3 the new activity will be sabotaging the conductor.
Or I could be huffing the copium. That said, Datto's right, they added so much stuff in the base game I haven't really had the chance to explore the echos stuff outside of the story mission, simply because I've been prioritizing getting a good class item, a good ergo sum, grinding out a good linear from this weeks GM, mastering the raid, etc...
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I think the ontological statement of the season greatly affects the gameplay as a whole.
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I actually liked the beep boop. Especially when she adds the politeness filter to it
The best dialogue failsafe had up until that point
I really liked that too. It really should of been tied to the proximity sensor and not pre recorded
i really dont see how some people dislike her so much, she’s the only character i’ll actively listen to
@@3DaDon. I think some people have just come to hate anything even somewhat goofy/fun. Like MCU started leaning in to the goofiness a little more, and when general sentiment turned on that whole style of humor, people leaned away from it... and then just KEPT leaning further and further away, until they started getting unreasonably angry about it.
Obviously I don't mean that's EVERYONE, there are valid criticisms for everything. It's just something I notice now. Ever since people started disliking MCU's humor, that sentiment has spread to most other things, and it has also grown by a LOT. It became "cool" to hate on that kind of humor, and as with ANYTHING that becomes "cool" on the internet, it spiraled out of control and people started WAY overdoing it, and now we get a portion of the vocal minority (IE, internet people) who just hate anything in the realm of goofy/silly.
@@3DaDon.Its because she sounds like she belongs in Borderlands 3, her dialogue is just so cringe inducing most of the time.
I think it's impossible to tell the quality of episodes vs seasons until we've had at least one full episode. We've had 15 seasons, and we've had 1/3rd of an episode so far.
What’s important is how it feels at the start. Episodes feel worse at their start than seasons did at their start of the seasons
@@aidenboyle3573I agree but I’m wondering how the future episodes will feel without the dlc to headline it
First impressions are everything
@@marko0os_ if first impressions were truly everything destiny 1 would have never made it out of year 1. Give it time.
@@marko0os_first impressions are everything to people who will leave well enough alone if something isn’t to their taste, not to people who have a stake in something already, if you watch datto you’re invested in destiny and will give bungie the benefit of the doubt whenever they goof because they can come back from their mistakes later and be hailed as saving destiny over and over again
They might edit terrain based on what phase the story is. Currently we have default Nessus for patrol, with like four areas with coral vex, so during act 2 maybe we see the terrain change. Then in act 3 we have extreme change, but we don’t see those changes until each act activates. Would make sense for the opening of the next act in the episode to evolve or change the area to match the story, so we see the pace of the change in chronological order, rather than sudden changes as the first person who completes act 2 for everyone to see (this would likely help prevent spoilers in the episode as well.)
I really hope they change the terrain more massively, like please put the drained cistern in as the new patrol version, it's so cool.
Just wasting it on a single mission just sucks.
@@nobodyuwu3970 I just wish we got a new public event or some new secrets. If the patrol space got an overhaul I wouldn’t be so totally underwhelmed
@@FireStriker_ they could do it, like they did in season of the haunted, but it'd come at the cost of other new activities in that episode. Given the reaction of some of the community rn, i don't know that i wish it upon bungie to have to listen to complaints of "all they give us for act 2 is a public event?! This is worse than __________ or something like that
@@aljazslemc9569 haunted didnt given us a new public event? And im not asking for a repeat of season of the worthy but using some of the ideas in the breach protocol as new public events. even if its a reskin of an existing public event this would come a long way to make the patrol space feel fresh and inviting to long term players and not just a year 1 location that is timelocked to the red war
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I'm honestly fine with the new structure, micro droughts of a few weeks offer up a chance to catch up on other things and progressing other characters, and if they sprinkle in stuff like iron banner I'm more likely to engage in it. Will definitely wait until we see it finished to judge.
My only real critique is the end of act 1 of a 3 act story I would have liked an introduction to the villain, even a small cut scene to set the rest of the chapter up.
I kind of feel people were expecting episodes to be something different compared to seasons of years past. I mean I'm not upset as most people, but I would love to see some different to spice up the episodes compared to seasons.
I know this came out with final shape so I hope Revenant and Heresy can be more fleshed out and interesting to play compared to seasons.
From the ‘journey ahead’ video destiny released, they mentioned another crafting system in revenant? I think it was called, as well as a ‘monster hunter/vampire hunter’ theme for the episode. For Heresy they mentioned that we’d become ‘the navigator’ and they threw around the word ‘eldritch’ a lot.
Seeing as in a vidoc they said episodes were meant to change up the feeling of seasons, people should expect that
I was expecting it when bungie specifically said they would change the formula for episodes. Turns out the change was just more timegating
I learned years ago to not really expect anything unless it's explicitly and clearly confirmed by Bungie themselves, since they never really went into detail about how it would actually be different from seasons I just expected the differences to be a bunch of very minor things that are ultimately meaningless and that the core seasonal loop some people dislike would be basically unchanged.
I mean, what are we actually expecting other than for them to release the entire act in 1 day? Enigma Protocol's entrance was like whisper levels of secret. Was a change up. I honestly don't know what people are expecting if it's not just "give us all the quests at once"
It just feels like the same quality and quantity but over a longer time frame, but this did come with TFS and we are only in act one so im hoping it turns around for the better :)
I hope you're right but at the same time I just have to believe we are smoking that copium right now
The game has been going for years with no improvements, you’re absolutely coping
@@slackstarfish8133 dear lord you are about to get flamed to hell saying that. No improvements? Wild...
@@lucienmoolman8017 he aint wrong, narrative in seasonal content has been hot garbage and if you think otherwise then you probably dont want to accept it
@@lucienmoolman8017 I think some people are just so mad at the game that they just cannot see that the game has had some changes in recent years that have made the game a lot better. Game's not perfect, but it's not bad.
I’m impressed that the destiny community managed to be happy for 2 weeks before we went back to hating the game. Maybe in 10 years, when the next X and Y saga is over, we can do it again
People just need to stop thinking seasonal content will be good and only play the expansions. But they can't. They're addicted so they'd rather just be moany little f'ers 24/7 365.
@@oxsilaThis. Bungie is not capable of making consistently good live service content. Their strength has always been big boxes of content. The expansions are the closest we will get to that.
@@115zombies935so then don’t release anything at all if it’s going to be garbage? Why do something if you aren’t going to try and put your all into it… it’s people like you that are the reason this game gets shield from necessary criticism, if the content is bad the game is bad. No exceptions.
@@thanos3163 Not gonna lie, this is a stupid reply. People like you who defend this garbage content is why this game will never live up to its potential and why Bungie will always deliver the minimum whenever possible.
Yes, they shouldn’t make anything if it’s going to be garbage. Make something good, or don’t make anything at all.
@@thanos3163ud rather not have new content to play even if its mid?
I think the biggest problem is that Bungie promised us something different. What we’ve gotten is good enough for the old seasonal standard, but Bungie still hasn’t delivered on the promise of something new
They changed the timeframes and are bringing back old, beloved weapons with the new seasonal weapons. You get the same amount of content but spread further, with more gear, a better activity, so we're not sat for 1, 2 or 3 months with nothing new to do in the season. I prefer this drip-fed method, let's you breathe so you can get other stuff done.
Shouldnt we at least wait until we have experienced all 3 acts before we judge whether they delivered or not?
Can't even say what they're trying or not trying to shake up, we literally just got the story set up.
@@Dynasty1818 hmm, the issue is that we're still sitting here for weeks at a time with nothing to do. Previously it was just weekly drip fed story 5 minutes at a time with some seasonal content to play before the story.
Now it's exactly the same but only 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off. We aren't getting *more* story for those 3 weeks, it's 1 activity, a bit of patrol and 5 minutes of story at most.
@@krackawoody2556 I agree that we should wait for all 3 acts to decide whether they delivered, I do also think however that its important to give feedback on how it feels along the way. Especially if that means future episodes can be adjusted in *some* way.
I enjoyed it, and thought it was brief enough to get me interested but also not burnt out because there’s so much other stuff to do in this game rn.
if you think about how much money everyone dumped in this game the last 10 years, its crazy that er is not a steady stream of content week after week
I love this change. It allows us to have a simple activity to farm for a couple of weeks and then give us a break to go play other games. I’m tired of feeling like I need to constantly play the game to stay caught up. This is ultimately just going to create a healthier relationship with the game for many players. Of course my opinion could change if the next two acts are mid.
That’s a good point it could be better but allowing time in between to play or take a break is a good thing
I'm seconding this, so far I have been enjoying being able to come to and from the game while focusing on my life outside of video games and not having to worry that I am going to be missing things.
The way my schedule is, I have more time to play every other week.
It's nice to be able to catch up a bit after being busy with other responsibilities.
Hey datto, the destiny opinions are neat but they’re kinda getting stale. Could you start telling me my opinions on everything else too?
I’m fine with. I realise it might not be perfect for content creators but for someone who can’t play all day every day, I’ve been very happy with it. I’ve got through it now but have still been able to play some crucible, run some strikes etc. it didn’t take over everything which I kind of like.
I think this is still moving in the right direction, just painfully slowly
Byf pointed out the best week-by-week seasons were Chosen and Splicer, and while Haunted was strong in story and Witch, Deep, and Wish had strong activities, they all suffered from the week-by-week pacing. This is “better” but not by much, yet
Week by week pacing really isn't the issue of seasons. It's bungie's reluctance to just innovate the delivery. They did a little with enigma protocol, but they need to go further. Just giving us all the content in 1 day is only going to end in 99 days of content drought coz no lifes beat it all in 24 hours.
@@oxsila Yeah youre right, thats not the issue, the issue is Bungies piss poor story team. They have no idea what they are doing other than making obscure lore entries. I mean really. Act 1 could be summed up into the last mission. You know the one that lead to our main character being conveniently taken and spoke to the big bad of the week. 3 weeks and all we got is some guy is doing some thing and the Vex are corrupted somehow...But like Saint was just stolen from the plot to tell us this. Its shite writing.
Edit: The pacing is still an issue tho, because like Byf said in his video, if you do it week by week its so painfully slow that you either forget, or get annoyed by the "Failsafe is doing x, please wait" but if you do it all in the last week things just happen out of the blue straight away with...no............pacing.
@@oxsila Then that will be the nolifers problem. Let them create that problem for themselves if they wish.
They are seasons but slightly worse because there is even more time gating and even more padding. I dont see why people are saying they are basically seasons because so far, it feels like we've barely gotten anything, both storytelling and gameplay wise. When compared to previous launch seasons within the same timeframe. Like are you really going to try and convince me that this is on par with risen or defiance? It doesnt help that the past year for seasonal story telling can be summed up with "listen to the same character say the same thing theyve said each week, then go do the activity, then go do the same thing you did in freeroam last week but in a different area, then listen to characters talk about how what happened this week was so baffling even though its the same thing that happened last week but in a differentarea, then tease next week, rinse repeat".
The content so far is fine, there just shouldn’t be timegating within Acts.
people wanted a non-stop story with no lulls in story telling. Act 1 slowed us down, let us catch our breath after the non-stop of Final shape while also setting up a new threat with the vex.
Isnt even a new threat tho. Just more of the same but with a different cause. Vex are like insects, and im pretty sure the old vex are solo thinkers...this is just more of the same hive mind that isnt the vexes. Nothing relates to us tho nor why we care other than being an invasive military group who "Inspect" things and act upon them. Which, you know, wouldnt even happen if not for the heavily convenient kidnapping of one of our best titans the world has ever seen.
I think some people just can't be happy unless the collective Internet they engage with is happy. The episode is good content to engage with weekly. I play the seasonal for the rewards then hit the pale heart, do Nightfalls, a dungeon or two. More of my friends are on and I'm having a blast. Just play the content you have fun with then get off, or play another game until reset. There's a lot of good stuff out there!
Copium*
Same price $100, 1 raid, 1 dungeon, 3 seasons.
The Final Scam...it will never be OK. Except, gamers make a living shilling & letting bad business slide, because "content."
But, after a break they will give us more reprised weapons & "more activities like a wave shooter." (Oh, joy!)
Man, let D2 die to force Bungie to innovate...it's been a decade of the same exact same stuff on repeat. Let it go...
I mean, Genshin Impact's own archon quests happens every 6 weeks, and people don't mind waiting until the next patch comes.
I never even thought of that
I wanna assume mostly because you don't have to pay for it and the fact it doesnt get sunset (except maybe Albedo's first event)
I mean the difference is the archon quest lasts for at most 3-4 hours as opposed to 30 minutes a week
Because its not the same, in GI you can play every act from the begining of their version. In Destiny you need to wait not only for the next act to start, but wait to continue the current arc, weekly.
For example, Genshin Impact latest chapter, "Chapter IV, Act VI - Bedtime Story" is divided by three missions (one of the shortest), if Hoyoverse had the same narrative model as Bungie those 3 mission would take 3 whole weeks to play them.
Also there are Legendary Missions, Events and Side-Quest to fill the gaps. And yes, GI also have time gated content, even when I still don't like that, you just need to wait... one week. Its not the same.
That’s fair point
Datto: "I don't know where this idea came from that people felt like Episodes would be drastically different from Seasons.
*Proceeds to quote Bungie, describing why players felt like things would be drastically different.*
It's not wrong for people to not like how Seasons/Episodes are done. They're terribly presented, the content is spread far too thin, it's the bare minimum to care about week to week. I get it, Bungie wants SOMETHING for people to login for. But instead of it being a weekly cliffhanger of content, it ends up being "chores chores chores to find out 'what happens,' only to get led along with nothing of substance." MAYBE something big happens at the end of a Season, or...Bungie pulls a name out of the lore, assigns it to a random faction-based big dude that players then kill.
And again, same question I always ask...if this content gets removed after a year of being in the game...why on earth should I bother caring to log in? Bungie treats it as temporary, they clearly don't want us to invest in it long term as concrete story that they WANT people relive or see for the first time.
I really do wish the seasonal activities that change the geometry would actually change the geometry in patrol. I remember thinking this back in season of the chosen and with each season that want has only grown.
I really hate the whole Osiris & Saint-14 romance lovey dovey shit in this episode. They were much better when they were just brothers in arms but making them both gay and in a relationship has really ruined their character development and destroyed their much cooler backgrounds.
Oh damn! Having locations properly evolve throughout the story would be awesome! I bet it would feel like Meridia in Helldivers 2 where the place went from a lush green jungle, to a bug-infested hellscape, to a black hole/wormhole thing!
That’s what we were promised by Luke smith way back when seasons were first made a thing. He kind of fulfilled on it but a lot of what “evolved “ de-evolved after the season.
Lets be honest here... People is never happy... In other words people don t even know what they want... So people will keep crying and complaining about absurd shit.. Or is because the story was short or the story was too long or the grind is too much, etc etc... Just stop playing the game then and stop pissing others people who actually liking the story or even the game himself...
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I think it's been good so far. The activities aren't groundbreaking or anything, but they've got a decent amount of variety in what you're doing minute-to-minute. It's good that we're finally getting a reason for them keeping Nessus in the game, compared to something like Titan or the Tangled Shore. We'll have to see how well they'll deliver their promises of more frequent and deeper storytelling, and they're obviously experimenting with a longer-form storytelling format. With any luck, the coming Acts won't just bring more story content as we expect, but will also include either new activities or evolve the current activities.
I also like that they're trying to expand on the Vex and make them more narratively compelling. Without any sort of face or personality to latch onto, our allies have had to carry the entirety of the exposition and emotional core of the story. Compared to antagonists like Skolas and Eramis, Gaul, Calus, and temporarily Caiatl, the Hive gods, the Scorned Barons and Uldren, the Nightmares on the Moon and Derelict Leviathan, Rhulk, Nezarec, and especially the Witness, the Vex have never had anything for the player to latch onto. There's never been a real story to them, just another generic doomsday threat that needs to be dealt with.
This 'Conductor' and the change that they're invoking upon the Vex is a breath of fresh air, especially with the doubts they have seeded within Saint, who had previously been so sure of his own place in the world. Even when Mithrax brought the House of Light into the fold and forced him to understand the fear he inflicted upon the Eliksni in his past, he was able to quickly reconcile with it and accept that he needs to be better. He made an effort to understand and made fast friends with the people he had previously seen as sworn enemies of humanity. This existential crisis is completely different from anything we've seen from him thus far, and it's especially tragic given that it comes on the heels of the defeat of the Witness, which is the opportunity that he and Osiris had been waiting for to strike out and explore the universe together.
The only real problem I've had so far is Failsafe. I have never liked Failsafe. I can sympathize with her plight, but to this day, I detest the direction they took with her, both the split personality and the flippant word choices in what should be serious moments. In Forsaken and especially Final Shape, we saw them course-correct with Cayde, where he regained the cavalier charm of his D1 self that allowed him to make jokes without ruining a serious moment, and we saw him get deadly serious and even melancholy several times in Final Shape. Failsafe is a remnant of D2Y1 writing that they are only just now in the process of correcting, and she's a lot better comparatively, but to me they have not yet hit the balance that she needs to be endearing.
That's my unsolicited opinion.
I think they're going in the right direction with Failsafe after the disaster that was nimbus.
I at least chuckle at Failsafe's jokes.
One guy I play with even said he likes her dialogue better than what they did with Cayde. I have a soft spot for Nathan Fillion, so I'm having a hard time agreeing, but see his point at least.
Im shocked that people are expecting more, especially considering the monster dlc we just got. The first season of any given expansion has always been mid or even bad. Honestly people need to stop expecting so much and just play the game for fun. Its a game. It isnt neant to be taken so freakin seriously.
Edit: I'd like to point out that the world can change because nessus already got changed with the addition of caitls big land tank
Any time people have complained about it, my default answer is "We are literally one third into our first episode. Give it a bit of time."
Right now the community is just giving off the vibe that they want all of their favourite 22-season TV shows condensed into 180 hour movies XD
Episodes are a chance to rebrand and sneak in more monetization. Simple as that. Judging episode 1 now is stupid as we're a third of the way through. But even with that said the changes made are blatantly to gain more monetization from the model overall. 100% no question. It's worrying to me that people can't see that
I think Bungie just needed to go into more specifics when they explained how the episodic structure would be. When they announced it, I thought all the story for the act 1 would drop on day 1... then it dropped, and I looked at the quest steps and triumphs, I realized it was going to be this "3 weeks on, 3 weeks off." thing. It makes sense to me, a season would pretty much only have story for half the weeks, so it's basically that way with acts, but I don't think it's what anybody was expecting from how they sold it.
If they'd just explained how the structure was going to go instead of giving all the empty marketing speak... well people would still have been mad... but at least they could have explained the thinking behind it, and people would have been prepared.
Heck we don’t know when the dungeons release, if there is a reprised raid or even if episodes enter the Dcv after a year.
They told us it was new, hyped it up and marketed it to us then stoped taking about whats new and expect us to guess how it’s going to work.
Youre talking about a company that said the Beta for Destiny 1 was 10% of the overall content for the game....but later came to find out that the beta was more like 65-70%.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Oh so like 3 patrol zones were 70% of the game huh? :P
@@scotttimbrell8632 I mean expecting overdelivery for seasonal content is a bit delusional given the direction the Bungie company has gone.
@@mrhawkyy1 Any amount of content is over delivery at this point.
I think a lot of people are getting way too worked up over this. Obviously Bungie's goal is for episodes to be different down the line but the season after TFS was always gonna be a bit more basic. If the first three episodes come out and they're just glorified seasons, then I can understand picking up the pitchforks.
LOL im the only one who thinks this whole new DLC is just ok. I find it a mess of junk thrown together like the puzzles I cant stand if it weren't for youtube to show me wtf to do I would have uninstalled this game weeks ago, but I seem to be the only one that feels this way. Must be me eh!
When you get off a roller coaster, you can't get right back on another one and expect to feel that same rush. You have to hop off and let yourself come down from that high for a bit.
What if seasonal content was community driven? That way we could have access to content sooner depending on how much people played.
Episodes are already weak at the knees because of the sheer volume of timegating involved. Everything has a time gate on it.
If there was no time gating like Datto says people would blow through the content in a day, resulting in comments of "nothing to do for 3 months, dead game" etc. Bungie really can't win here.
@@AWatson87watch the my name is byf video on this. Timegating is good for that reason but only if it fits the narrative. Two weeks of no story progression is ridiculous for something that is currently happening to the vex in real time. I’m fine with waiting a week for new story but when the little bit of story they give me is only good every other three weeks it’s really disappointing. I love all other aspects of this season but that
@@AWatson87 but with timegating you get people like me that dont even want to fucking bother with the timegated stuff each week because its such little content, trust me, they win less with timegating
But like, just don’t play the game for like a month or two and then you come back, refreshed, not burnt out, and with a lot of content to do.
@AWatson87 So, because people have no life, i should be punished with time gate after time gate? Is that what you're saying?
To be honest it feels the same or worse than the seasons, in my opinion I think it would be better to release what you have of content in 2 or 3 weeks and not put stupid missions or seasonal activities that no one wants to play and you only play because you have to the story or the loot, but they are incredibly boring and equal to each other, I don't understand the reasoning that it is better to get a little out each week because if you don't play everything in a week or two, I mean it's not more content, it's like in Instead of eating an ice cream one day you eat 1/10 of an ice cream every day, it makes no sense not to want the content to be available from the beginning, if you want to play a little each week you can do it anyway, but that's where you decide, not them when you play, and they don't try to sell you something that is bad and short like something that lasts months
Petition to make eververse itself have a bright engram pathfinder with hard objectives, and the more you collect the better your chances for better stuff. No paying.
Previous seasonal gear/ornaments included.
I was hoping we could play all the missions for an act at once or at least a couple mini-campaign-like missions but in the back of my head I was thinking it’s just gonna be the same thing😂
But of course I’m still gonna play😂
once again, people who thought episodes weren't gonna be seasons 2 need a big reality check. Episodes are just seasons but with content that's more self-contained vs. tying into one-another. But the seasonal model was always gonna stay. Which is why bungie shot themselves in the foot marketing episodes as this big deal when in reality they should've just stuck with seasons if they didn't plan on changing much
It's not that we thought they'd be different, we knew they wouldn't. But seasons or episodes, call them whatever people want, aren't good enough for 2/3 of Destiny's player base.. which is why 2/3 of the player-base leaves in the months following the major expansions.
Edit: Oh, and ofc Datto thinks they're okay, he barely cares about the story and makes millions of dollars playing the game. It was a fun expansion, nothing has changed, most of us will see you all at Frontiers.
I just dont get this take, why call people dumb for believing what bungie said, bungie should just do better full stop.
Bungie went on camera in multiple interviews specifically saying that Episodes would be different from seasons. That set some expectations that I think are completely reasonable.
Episodes are literally seasons, there's no difference between them. But now we're all stupid for having expectations and we should just assume nothing Bungie says is ever true?
They were the ones who decided to hype them up. They could have called it Season of the Echoes and nobody would have known or cared.
I mean by Bungies own words they said the content delivery would be different, but its the same, just timegated and more spaced out over a longer period of time. Byf made a great video on the Episodes recentl, which explains peoples dislike for them.
@@BrocKelley Personally I feel like the actual season/episode activity is just not interesting enough most of the time. All you really are doing is just dismantling all the gear because all of it can be crafted anyway unless you get a good armor roll. So it might as well auto dismantle your weapon drops and the activity itself is most of the time not interesting enough in terms of mechanics and usually feels like more of the same. Some times people say that the loot is insane during this season and so on(in terms of how much loot you get), but if the loot is basically auto dismantle anyway is it really that exciting. Also the narrative might get something new each week, but after that you are basically back to the same old seasonal activity or the same content you have been doing for years already. It just gets repetitive.
Let me give you my opinion on this new Acts versus Season debate.
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Months without story vs 3 weeks without story, just shows how many people aren’t very good at math and just like to complain
I dont really like what they did with fail safes 2nd voice. Its completely different in terms of personality to the point where having the second voice (supposed to be two opposites) doesn’t matter and adds zero comedy anymore
Yeah, I just can't summon the energy to get as upset as people seemingly are online. Even if absolutely nothing else changed beyond having it be 3 seasons a year instead of 4... is the story/content quality remained totally the same, I'd be FINE. Especially if it means whatever the next expansion is, assuming there's another expansion, rivals TFS or WQ in quality because Bungie isn't breaking their back trying to ship a Season every three months.
There's so much other shit out there to play, got 0 qualms with that. I do think Episodes may have a bit more in store than what we've seen so far, but I also am not expecting it to be a great deal more / surprising.
I have to be honest i actually like Episodes its a good change from the seasonal model because we get new content every week through an act and when an act ends its not the end because we get more content a few weeks later.... When it came to the seasonal model i guess you could say the content is one and done in other words its over once you beat it yes you could go back in and do the seasonal content over and over again but that got old....I feel the episode model is better than the seasonal model because the content won't get stale due to the fact that we get content every week through out an act once that act ends we wait a couple weeks and than we get new content, episodes are designed to keep us engaged and allow us to have new content throughout the entirety of a season.... I don't understand the problem people have with that, are content is being refreshed and will not become stale anymore???
The thing is, I think most of the issue stems from Act I coinciding with the launch of TFS, offset by only a week. You cannot make your Act I content more compelling than the expansion, because then youre forcing your playerbase to make a choice between the compelling seasonal content not being spoiled and the expansion itself not being spoiled.
Echoes isn't the BEST, but I do think theres already some bright spots. Just the fact that they already broke up the "do activity go back to Vendor" stuff with Saint being hijacked is a huge departure from the previous pacing.
The timing builds tension and suspense while Iron Banner goes on, and then the next Act starts innediately after it ends.
I would argue the offset week positively impacts act 1, next act we finish on week 3 and not week 4 like we did in act 1. The gap is gonna feel larger in act 2 as a result
i feel like act 1 is lean on purpose to give you time to do stuff in the new destination etc, returning players have a lot of stuff to get done also, im guessing the other acts will be a lot more impactful
@@wrythe777 sadly that is not the case because acts 2 and 3 are the same 3 week on 3 weeks off. Act 2 and by extension Act 3 will have at most 2 story missions divided by a filler fetch quest like act 1 was.
Besides Its not like act 1 is void of content or any leaner then the typical season. If anything Echoes has more content then Undying, Hunt, Risen or Defiance. We got 2 seasonal activities and the weekly story bits are the same predictable fetch quests.
The issues stem from the fact bungie can’t even comfortably make 3 weeks of content without useless filler.
Week 2 can be skipped entirely. I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking why didnt saint get brainwashed in week 2 and not week 3. We could atleast get another week to move the story forward learning more about the conductor and gathering intel for failsafe to process over the next few weeks.
As it stand act 1 ends with us wanting to get revenge on the conductor but Ikora pops up and says not so fast. There isn’t even a narrative reason for this break
Yeah its a departure from previous pacing because the third mission is literally "Main character is taken and is told everything you need to know" which is odd, unbelievable and heavily convenient. Youre telling me to believe that our beast of a warrior main character was just corrupted and kidnapped? Show me. Youre telling me that he is talking with someone who openly told him he was behind everything? Great story telling 👍 Cant wait for the next Act where the first 2 missions do nothing then in the last The Conductor tells us everything we need to know for the plot to move along again..
@@FireStriker_ Getting revenge? Why? Nothing about this story is revengeful or engaging in anyway. The vex are corrupted and we have no idea what that means, why its happening or why we even care. The conductor may have kidnapped Saint and spoke to him but thats no more insidious as a religious person trying to open a gullible atheists minds eye...but that doesnt mean we should go out and actively try and kill the guy. I feel like youre creating more of a story than what is here because the writers dont seem to care..
I’m personally just taking a break until act two, which I’m happy for… That might be a pro or a con for some people 🤷🏻♀️
Its really as simple as episodes feel the exact same, if not worse, when bungie said they would be different and better.
Vex are not supposed to retreat. The whole thing is that they see themselves as expendable for the goal. Its what makes them predictable.
This change is...worrying.
Breach Executable is fine... if you're a semi-competant player. I've noticed that it gives much less obvious hints as to what to do during the encounters to the point that if you get even one, let alone two people who don't know what to do, then you simply will not be able to get the activity done in a reasonable time. I'm all for making things just a little more difficult, but having more blueberries on after an expansion launch, as well as not being able to quickly communicate as easily if you're on console like I am, then BE can be quite the unfortunate drag. Hopefully this gets better with time, but right now, whilst the activity itself is fine, the current experience isn't.
I tend to be more of an end game player and mostly still play for day 1s, low mans, and flawless raids, so I may be out of touch, but legitametly how are people struggling? Im not being like"oh how are people so bad that they cant even do this lmfao," like I have a friend who started midway through lightfall, I have nothing against new people or those who don't know as much, just legitametly how can you get stuck there?
@@EepyGirlLava people constantly, needlessly dying, not dunking motes and not engaging with mechanics. It really makes the activity drag on. It's gotten a little better now after the changes to the pistons, but people STILL like rushing past them and not at least checking to see if everyone else in the lobby is ready for the next encounter or boss
They could have made a little difference by rolling out each act in chunks. So act 1 all together in week 1. And so on. But it's the same shit, different toilet.
Datto being an apologist shill like usual
I’d rather have the full act available on the same day of release, sure split each act up across multiple months. But I’m tired of getting small amounts each week…
Honestly the nessus changes should be permanent regardless of how far along people are in the story. The leviathan is still in the moon’s skybox even if your playing old content from shadowkeep when it was supposed to be at Nessus. It’s a cool addition and it should stick around to freshen the space up
So, in summary; you had a hunch from the start that Bungie was lying about episodes. Therefore, it's fine? Lol (Golf clap)
it would of been perfect to give Nessus the pale heart patrol treatment during this episode, it was an easy layup for the studio to do but dropped the ball on that. could of had its own pathfinder tree as well.
Might have been a studio resource issue. I agree that they should implement pathfinder trees for whatever zone the episodic focus is, though. It would give players a reason to actually spend free time there.
If people don’t like Failsafe they’re wrong
They’re literally the only funny character in the entire game, let us have our AI Cayde
The reason the time gate conversation started again is because they’re charging us extra silver just to wait longer 💀 we are paying to stand around and do nothing to pretend the episodes are longer
Bungie: We want to shake things up a bit and bring more surprises in the future.
Average Destiny 2 player when the new episode isn't IMMEDIATELY the greatest thing in the history of gaming: BUNGIE LIED PEOPLE DIED
More like, Bungie when their producers make asinine statements and the content moto remains the same; both in delivery and quality:
The communities' actual reaction to the poor quality content and Bungie's marketing of said content: "lol"
Same shit, different day bud.
3 on, 3 off will take some getting used to. Also, historically, the "season" that launches with the expansion has been not quite as strong as later seasons
Me personally I'm pretty indifferent. I have other games I want to play so it's nice to have a broader episode/season so they can have long story elements and I can play something else
I have no problems with the Act 1 I'm still doing stuff for the final shape. Play a different game or go get a job.
It's weird that people are being so hard on Episodes considering we're literally only one act deep in the first Episode. Some people are way too impatient to reserve judgement until we at least get through act 3. Like this Episode came with the expansion and historically seasons that drop with expansions are always light on content.
You really think act 2 and 3 are going to be different? Ha!
i have to agree with this because, like, the end of this act is a pretty big deal, right? We have this vex(?) consciousness that seems to have some pretty intense power with a motive that is very different from any bad-guy we've shot up before in Destiny. I'm enjoying the seasonal activities so far and the weapons are incredible. Literally some of the best seasonal weapons we've ever gotten and we don't yet have what will probably be the best of the seasonal weapons yet. We also don't have the seasonal exotic (if, in fact, we're going to get one). I've not enjoyed the activity as much as like The Coil or Deep Dive but it's released next to an expansion so let's compare apples to apples... I think it's very fair to say this is the best expansion-timed season we've gotten.
What's weird about that to you? Bungie overhyped it, they made it sound like something it's not, so they deserve all the criticism they're getting
First impressions matter and if it doesn't hook you from the start then most of the people are already gone or onto another game before anything else can launch.
good luck seeing much of anything changing in episode 2 cuz I'd wager most of that is already halfway into production and probably would take till episode 3 for any significant changes. Change that Episodes are supposed to do in the first place replacing seasons
I think with might see the benefit of episodes overtime. For exemple with acts, for now we are just at the beginning.
2:43 that is the best summery of the scene XD
Honestly don't even care it ended 'cause now I have a period of time I can play other games without D2 feeling like a job
A wet fart was basically what i expected after the final shape. My main reason i didnt buy it.
One thing id love with the episodes, now that the saga concluded, is big changes to destinations like now with nessus it would be cool to have that part that changed for the story mission being part of the patrol zone. At this point nessus and the EDZ are kinda pointless beacuse the Red War campaing dont exist anymore so they could change zones and not lose much while giving them new purposse instead of just being remmenants of the past with nothing going on
Guys, they cooked with tfs and what not, let's giving them the benefit of the doubt
We've only seen 1/3 of 1 episode, some of yall need to calm the fuck down.
IDK man, waiting 2 weeks for an hour of gameplay kinda sucks.
Seasons just with a different name 💀but I do love mommy fail safe
The story is super 🌈🌈🌈
so 🌈🌈🌈
Failsafe is annoying just like she was when the game first launched
Paused at 1 second to dislike as i know its gona be nothing but shilling
Saint: "I just need some time to process this. I'm thinking I'll need exactly 3 weeks. See you then!"
I think Episodes and acts would benefit from an A and B plot kind of situation. The A plot is dumped whole sale at the beginning of an episode and would be the story missions while the B plot provides exposition and introduces the various mechanical pieces for the seasonal activity (New encounter, collecting materials and samples) this wouldnt then have as many dialogue sections where we have several character standing together and talking but instead just the seasonal vendor delivering a monologue
So its acceptable for something to just be "ok"?
Already stopped playing the game
Same unfortunately. FS is the most overrated piece of content I’ve seen in a long time, and I think the mix of episodes as well as shadow of the erdtree will make people realise just how mediocre this game and expansion still is.
I’ve honestly had enough of the drip feed, barebones nature of this game now. I thought FS would pull me back in… it’s done the opposite sadly
Is the destiny app its listened under season 24 not episode 1
Hey Datto, a bit off topic, but are you going to check out The First Descendant?
My problems with Breach Executable are that the Cabal encounter is kinda buggy, the Hydra boss is just obnoxius with the modifiers on a boss type that's already bottom of the barrel for me and on more than one occasion the end dialogue hasn't triggered so while I can loot the chests, the activity never ends and I don't get a completion towards my weekly pinnacle.
Also the weekly challenge of completing it 3 times on ANY difficulty only works on normal so if I want both pinnacles it's 3 normal clears & 3 expert clears when based on wording 3 experts should do.
My problem with Enigma is that while I enjoy the seasonal activity being a tightish timer speedrun, Bungo for some reason decided to make the main mechanic of extending time a knowledge check. If you're doing it match made good luck trying to get through if you don't already know where the extenders are because nobody else sure as hell ain't even looking. Once you know where they all are, you just know. At least in my experience the main mech being hidden caused this to be a "watch a YT guide to learn the spots and carry or you ain't clearing this shit". Why not just use points of progression as time extenders?
Seasonal activites are bad. Thats my opinion.
People really are just addicted to hating.
Glad i'm not the only one who thought bungo overdid the difficulty in override.
I think it really changed depending on the encounters you got/what modifiers were active.
One week I was breezing through expert, next week was a STRUGGLE.
I'm more annoyed that I can't replay this shit on my alt Titan because I can't get the stupid prismatic power-up at the start of the game on the alt.
I mean yeah, you said it yourself, the reason I, and many others, and pissed isn't because the content we have had is bad or worse than before, but they put SO much effort into telling us thats its going to be different, fresh, whatever way you wanna describe it. But the only REAL difference so far is that now I have to wait 3 weeks for more story instead of one.
I still haven’t done the raid yet
I LOVE THE BEEP BOOPS! MORE BEEP BOOPS
Each act of the episode has new pve content. So in the end an episode will have more activities than a season.
Finally, my opinion is here.
6:20 paid bungie simp hot take
I think set gear would be cool.
And for the people that don’t want to raid to get set gear, give those players a way to get some sort of tokens from other hard content that they can trade for the set pieces.
Even if the set pieces are only cosmetic.
I would chase those down.
Dude I haven't touched the season apart from the opening mission we got on reset week two. I've got so much to do in the game there's no point starting it yet. I'm not at max light I'm just taking my time and enjoying the ride
Activities are fine. Story is fine. Time-gating is a necessary evil to maintain a healthy production cycle. Can it be better? Sure. But that's not our job