We gotta talk about Stasis... again. (The Final Shape Update) | Destiny 2 Design Analysis
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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With the release of The Final Shape in Destiny 2, we received a new set of changes for the Stasis subclass. These changes promised better sustainability, damage, and overall gameplay feel. But did those changes actually do anything for Stasis, or was there another reason for the addition? Today we'll be talking about Frost Armor, fragment changes, the updated Harvest Aspects, abilities, and more to try and answer the question: Is Stasis worth playing in The Final Shape?
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Alot of people have neglected to mention that, while getting healing and frost armor from an aspect is a great idea, that also really pushes you towards that aspect quite alot and doesn't really improve stasis build diversity very much sadly. One of the key examples being stasis warlock's glacial harvest. If you wanna build into the crowd control loop and lock down support, you are better off not running glacial harvest as ice flare, bleak watcher is great at freezing. By doing so you just basically dump frost armor, your main survival tool off the kit. The really would've been alot better at promoting playstyle changes if more aspects were buffed and frost armor and healing were baked into the subclasses sorta like perching threadlings. Alot of stasis diversity is also destroyed by aspects doing nothing for most of gameplay like frostpulse. But that is a whole other can of issues with the broader game. EDIT: Typo.
I 100% agree with what you said 🙂👍
Ya not to mention previously when u ran stasis warlock u could just use a single fragment to get damage reduction (albeit not super reliable) and now that they completely changed that fragment ur kinda just not allowed any sustain at all on stasis warlock
@@Buster-tr4lp thus why I now spam turrets on prismatic because it has a better stasis kit than stasis it self and you can run a super that charges faster or is more useful plus devour to spam even more turrets
@@chrisvargas2469 Yeah that's really sad, I tried some turrets builds on stasis and it can't compete with prismatic "stasis" turret spam
@@chrisvargas2469 Yes, the shatter and burst is bigger, with higher damage it seems on prismatic. I was wondering why the shatter felt way better on it than it did on the Stasis subclass itself, it feels great shattering a whole group of mobs, it feels so meaty on Prismatic. Primsatic as you say also, fixes one of the major things holding back Stasis Warlock, its god awful super. Because that's what the base Prismatic kit felt like to me, Stasis Warlock but actually good, outside just turrets.
Throwing up a Hoarfrost barricade and glacier nade back-to-back and having only one of them generate shards when you slide through feels terrible
I wish I didn't have to spend an aspect in order to get frost armor, there is a fragment to get woven mail on strand so there should be one similar to it on stasis
i don't think we even need a fragment just make shards always give frost armor, it's not as good as woven mail so it should be more accessible
Well there is and there are also exotics that grant it but generally you aren’t gonna get a lot without the aspect yeah
You don’t though tf? Literally any stasis shard gives it to you no aspect required. All the aspect does is make them also give you health on top of the frost armor. That’s literally it.
@@taktika4764frost armor is way better then woven mail lmao. Especially since they just nerfed it again. Shit only lasts 5 seconds and the Dr is only 4 percent higher than frost armor. Its also super easy to make way more stasis shards then orbs so you have it 24/7
@@hatchell18 frost armor gives 22.5% without rime or 36% with rime at max stacks (that you won't have all the time) which is noticeably lower than woven mail's flat 45%
Stasis feels so incredibly mid in the current sandbox. It's not bad, nor is it good. It's just "normal" and being normal in a world where Prismatic, Solar, and Void exists causes it to be ignored.
And Strand as well.
I'd said void is meh for anything other then hunter and maybe warlock
@@SlongestKongesti’ve gilded conqueror a couple times on both void titan and void hunter with little to no difficulty on both, so i would say void is quite good all around. Is it top class? No, but definitely relevant, unlike stasis
@@SlongestKongestosmio voidlock cooks hard in GM’s
@@SlongestKongestfrl void titan is mid
I think the problem is that we have to use a spesfic aspect on stasis to get the full benefits of the subclasses
This makes everyond run similar builds
They should make the frost armor and healing part of the super, same way weavewalkers can perch threadlings because of the super
@@Zilgral_Gaming agreed. Make it based on freezing or slowing enemies rather then pickups as making it pickups creates 2 problems
1 forced to spesfic aspects.
2 kills titan shard creation which kills a few builds
@@SlongestKongest eeeexactly, and makes wicked implement THE stasis healing weapon
Yup same problem with Strand titan and banner of war.
you forgot to mention about the cooldown on spawning stasis shards, which makes stasis Titan feel even worse than before.
Anything more then a glacier grenade and shards don’t spawn, since titan is really the only class that spawns more then 5 crystals at a time, titan is shafted once again
@@Whaffle3421 I wouldn't say only titans could spawn 5 or more. Hunters for the most part would also spawn a lot due to their knifes bouncing which lead hunters to have a lot of melee regen because of the shards but sadly it feels very clunky now.
But all that said Titans definitely suffers the most when it comes the cooldown on shards since it was the core of their playstyle.
I'm honestly surprised how Bungie made a already mid subclass feel even worse :S
@@TwinGamer64 true, although I’m a little biased cause I really only play titan and I’m sad cause my whole stasis build was around creating as much crystals as possible then shattering them (howl of storm, hoil, salvations grip, glacier grenade) truthfully stasis now feels like it doesn’t flow as well as it used to, even if stasis as a whole is better now, that cool down hits hard
@@Whaffle3421 I can 100% understand that man.
Also yes everyone will show a little bias towards their own character.
in my case I'm one of two (Twin)
Where one plays Titan and the other Hunter so we share a lot of information between each other.
@@Whaffle3421wow the final shape as been the Titan killer all around hasn’t it. Void bubble done, strand brought down to still good but slower and easier to die, prismatic is trash, and stasis melee got nerfed, and the buffs indirectly nerfed stasis Titan as a whole.
To me, what Stasis need is a bit of the Light subclasses treatment: New Supers and new abilities (a new melee for every class would be great) that can fill the holes the subclass has.
We've had Stasis for 4 years now, it's time we improve upon it with new toys, not just buffs :D
It also needs more 'nades tbh
All of the current Stasis grenades are utility focused.
@@blackwolfe9965 True, maybe something like a Thermite grenade (that goes on a straight line) that summons a line of sharp crystals that deal damage and maybe slow.
That's just glacier grenades but vertical
@@arjunbaweja7755 Yeah, ok, maybe not the best example xD
Then how about using the new pools left by Lost Signal, the new "legendary witherhoard"?? That would a better effect.
@@RodrigoLeaf15 A grenade that creates ice spikes on an area, slowing and dealing burst damage after 1 or 2 sec, exploding in aoe, would be really cool
One aspect I don’t see a lot of people mention is what each subclass brings to a team. Solar brings lots of healing and damage buffs, void weakens enemies, and strand has sever and woven mail. All of these keywords bring a lot to the table when in a team scenario. Stasis really has nothing of the sort. Maybe a renewal duskfeild but a titan throwing a tangle on top of the team will grant them a higher dr percentage. I would even argue that many times stasis can be detrimental to a team as staisis crystals can block shots or block enemies you may need to stun.
Even if stasis did have the best add clear, cc, and survivability in the game, which quite frankly I don’t think it does any of those jobs the best, I still don’t think it would be used. Plenty of other classes have way better survivability, other classes add clear much better, other classes do cc better, and other classes do boss damage better.
Stasis really needs something that it can bring to a team. My best suggestion would be “shattering or breaking a encased target would increase the amount of damage that target takes from non stasis ability damage.” I think bungie doesn’t want to make stasis a damage powerhouse, but if it could help other classes increase their damage in some way that would give stasis a use case in a team setting
While that is just weaken but you can't make use of it yourself, I feel like any niche is better than no niche at all so this would be a nice change
My main issue with stasis has moreso been that compared to every other subclass, you have to build way harder into stasis to make it worth using.
Shadebinder has been my main for a while, and I gotta be honest, I don’t feel that incentivised to lean into frost armour. You’ll need to commit an aspect to make the keyword worthwhile (unless you consider getting in melee range every 9 seconds on one of the squishiest subclasses in the game to be a viable strategy), and the swiss cheese-flavoured bandaid it slaps on the subclass’ survivability just feels substantially worse than using that subclass real estate to lean into your strengths and outsourcing your survivability to elsewhere. Bungie may not like it, but the hole they’ve dug themselves into means that a subclass either needs reliable healing to stay an enticing option.
I’m at least glad that I still feel some incentive to play full stasis tho. A lot of people will probably be on the ‘bleak watcher and devour’ train and it’s probably objectively stronger, but my full stasis osmio build just feels so damn good compared to just bleak watcher without the rest of the stasis kit.
Stasis was originally the crown control subclass. But in the current game, there is just no place for CC in the majority of content. The best solution to deal with every enemy is just kill it faster. There's no need to slow and freeze large groups of red / orange bars when we are as powerful as we are. Stasis can still shine in activities like legend onslaught where there is a genuine need for CC due to the large number of majors that can spawn, but even then the solution is often just more damage more gooder. Even in GMs, stasis has fallen out of favor because of the sheer damage potential of the light subclasses
I still feel the fact we have to use an aspect for shards hugely limiting. I'd also like to see rime and conduction rolled into one with maybe a stat penalty instead of a buff.
You don’t have to anymore though so wtf? Bro have you even LOOKED at the new fragments? There’s multiple other ways to make shards now you don’t need the aspect anymore. Should probably fact check yourself before posting shit like this.
@@hatchell18 Yeah but those shard don't give you frost armor like he was talking about in the video! WTF did you even watch it! Get your facts right before replying with shit like this
@@cyberuspunk dude yes there’s multiple ways to get frost armor without needing the aspect. Again educate and fact check yourself before trying to correct someone and posting this kind of shit
@@hatchell18 Not without an exotic! Stop trying to back track cos you went on an unhinged rant in the comments and ended up looking like an idiot! This video was about the kit! He makes that clear! So by all means carry on looking dumb or shut up!
@@hatchell18 Name one using the kit, not an exotic! This video is about the kit. I'll wait while you continue to make a fool of yourself
It just feels like Prismatic mostly does what Stasis does, but better. Like, it's not awful, and you can make some builds work, but you basically only have 1 good build per class that you want to run on Stasis to be good (Bleakwatcher, Renewal, and Titan crystal spam). But even the Bleakwatcher and Renewal builds are better on Prismatic since we get Bleak on Warlock and Duskfields on Hunter PLUS the fact you get Spirit of Renewal and Spirit of Osmio on the class items.
And titans can only get 5 shards from crystals before going on cooldown
Behemoth is, somehow, worse with the new harvest cooldown
I'll be honest, I almost never made them that rapidly to trigger that cooldown, at least in PvE haha
@@SteelShad0w_ try running glacier grenade with whisper of shards. Then diamond lance with Cadmus ridge lancecap. Youll rarely go a few seconds without triggering it
yep lance cap is now the only build for behemoth
Everything on Titan is worse in the final shape. Literally no exaggeration.
If I may be completely honest, Stasis on Hunters is really fun, especially with their ability to create stasis shards on slow/frozen kills while also having Renewal Grasps that gives Frost Armor whenever they and their allies are in their Duskfield.
The build I run uses the new Bold Endings hand cannon with Headstone + Dragonfly, the Buried Bloodline exotic rocket side arm (with the catalyst) while I also use the Doomed Petitioner linear fusion rifle while also playing into the artifact mod where Void Damage is increased on weakened foes (fyi, Buried Bloodline's catalyst can allow you to weaken foes whenever you have devour up)
My Aspects and Fragments are as followed:
Aspects - Grim Harvest and Touch of Winter
Fragments - Whisper of Fissures, Whisper of Rending, Whisper of Shards, Whisper of Conduction, and Whisper of Rime.
As a mentally insane behemoth main since I first unlocked it in beyond light, the changes for titan really don't feel much different. My gameplay loop of glacier grenade and hoarfrost barricade is the same but kinda worse due to the whisper of chains rework. The cooldown of tectonic harvest is the real killer for any of it to be amazing (granted it is probably required for things like pvp). However it is still playable if you know what you are doing. For warlock and hunter however the changes are really nice, with no cooldowns on their stasis shard generation they can have almost permanent free damage resist as long as there are enemies nearby. Osmiomancy warlock or Renewal grasps hunter feel amazing and stasis hunter finally feels like it has some form of identity in high end pve content (at least to me). All in all I the stasis buffs are fine, hunter and warlock feel really good and I am still stuck on titan due to stockholm syndrome but hey, a buff is a buff. (just please remove/reduce the cooldown for tectonic harvest in pve please and thank you bungie)
I know I'm in the minority, but Behemoth is my absolute favorite subclass to play and I'm a warlock main.
I've had a lot of fun with Stasis Titan... the issue is the cooldown on shards. Yes, you can keep Frost Armor up pretty much all the time even with the shards, but the healing on them in pitiful and not having the healing when you need it because of the cooldown is rough. It's also made Hoarfrost a LOT worse as you lose the DR near crystals.
Otherwise, the changes have been great, especially to Diamond Lance.
Stasis still lacks build variety, but I'll take it over Arc Titan anyday.
I switched from hoarfrost to armamentarium and I think it's a good substitute
@@nokventis9035Lol why have I never thought of that. What's even the point of hoarfrost then?? I'm still using it though because I like how it looks. Armamentarium gives a free firepower mod... I guess hoarfrost gives you a peep window.
For me personally Behemoth would be the perfect subclass if Cryoclasm wasn’t bugged to the point of being non-functional a lot of the time. Cryoclasm + Diamond Lance with the Lance Cap is actually amazing in high end content and really fun, but with Cryoclasm’s unintended nerfs it feels extremely clunky and inconsistent.
I feel like that frost armor should have more benefits, maybe gain damage reflection to projectile damage instead of regular damage reduction
Having more unique exotics I think would help the subclass too. Don’t get me wrong, I like osmiomancy but I feel like that is the ONLY exotic worth using on stasis warlock. Some examples of new exotic ideas include:
Stasis titan:
-an exotic that lets you consume your grenade to spawn one massive stasis crystal that constantly freezes and auto shatters nearby frozen combatants while it is up
-an exotic that auto shatters all created stasis crystals after a short delay with a bigger radius and damage
-an exotic that, while you have frost armor, gives you an aura that gives stacks of frost armor to nearby allies
Stasis hunter
-an exotic that gives silence and squall a second squall
-an exotic that turns your melee into three stacks of slowing makibishi spikes (playing into the ninja feel of the subclass) you can place on the ground that will damage and apply slow stacks to combatants who walk over it (could also just be a new melee ability)
Stasis warlock:
-an exotic that gives your stasis turret a rounds more velocity and freeze stacks and allows you to pick up and replace the turret
-an exotic that as you kill frozen combatants, build an aura around you that slows nearby targets, when at full aura, taking melee damage/at near death will release a blast that freezes nearby combatants
Idk how balanced these would be in pvp, but I think these would at least add some variety to the subclass
I've been loving the changes so far! Imo it needs a little help in the survivability department out of the box but there's a bunch of ways to do that with weapons and exotic armor
Id like if frost armor was like a health buffer, at 5 stacks half your health is protected by a 30% DR shield that for every 10% lost would release stasis shards in retaliation like how taken hobgoblins do, maybe with a fragment that causes them to slow enemies to give a more automated area locking options to hunter and titan
I used the standard Titan frost armor build with cryosthesia and a glaive to freeze and punch to stack frost armor. And it was a lot of fun! But past legend I don’t think it’ll hold up too well 😢
I think something that is being glossed over are the touch of winter changes. Glacier grenade feels very potent with the larger radius and extra crystal. Coldsnaps, though, are in a whole new league then they were before. The bonus crystals make them huge aoe dumpers, especially with the fact that they duplicate with each chain allowing you to lock down a room similar to osmiomancies. Duskfields still feel lackluster without though.
It’s worth mentioning they only doubled shatter damage when shattering frozen targets, not crystals. However, I find the buff to shatter damage, alongside the pve buff to diamond lance and getting shards from shattering enemies from tectonic harvest, to be a HUGE boon for stasis titans who desperately needed it
This video hit all the marks. The Stasis changes on that Subclass are appreciated, but does the same thing it did before. Stasis on Prismatic is natural and very potent no matter the build. Threaded Specter + Winters Shroud, Grapple Grenade + Withering Blade, Silence and Squall + Radiant.
Baking Creeping Chill (this seasons Artifact Mod) into the base Stasis kit would be a step in the right direction. It won’t be overpowered since Solar has Scorch/Ignitions, Arc has Jolt, Void has Volatile and Strand Unravel.
I think my problem with stasis dates back all the way back to the armor mod changes. My builds stopped working as I wanted them to, and now requires a lot more setup and execution skill than before, along with mods that don’t exist anymore. I used to run the horfost-z exotic with the slide melee aspect, and glacial grenade. They used to give me the ability to chain these together infinitely without the presents of ads. Which in hindsight was broken, but it was fun. Now it’s a lot harder to keep at least 1 ability up at any given time. That also broke my stasis hunter melee build for the same reason, the mods I used and crafted specifically for that build were removed. Stasis had felt weak ever since.
I feel like a big key word difference that is needed is to change Slow to Chill. Chill can serve as something like healing, dusk nades would be like a healing nade providing regeneration while also applying frost armor. I remember when stasis launched they wanted it to be “time” not “ice” but with the advent of frost armor that seems to have faded as an idea. To add to that however Slow could apply time “reversal” to our health but now I digress. This healing factor would definitely kind of make shroud and pulse annoying in pvp but my solution is that having frost armor could increase the potential meaning the more stacks of frost armor the more effective Chill could heal. Finally Frost armor at max stacks should provide an overshield and ability cooldown.
FORGOT TO MENTION HOW BAD CRYOCLASM IS NOW
I never used it before. What changed?
@@jacks1678 cooldown on the awesome slide. Which means every once in a while you just awkwardly slide into crystals and don't shatter them
Each class needs a new super that's opposite of the current type that already exists. So titan and warlock get a one shot to counter their roaming supers and hunter gets a roaming.
You're missing a big disadvantage of the old stasis overshield: it only gave DR when you had over shield. You needed full health to begin gaining over shield and damage resistance. And the healing from shards was awful post-Rime nerf.
Frost Armor is a lot better but still needs more.
Ran through the legendary campaign on stasis for the most part but renewal grasp and outbreak was just ridiculously good
I was saying this before final shape dropped when we saw the stasis changes, while a more consistent upkeep on dr is nice requiring multiple fragments and a aspect compared to a previous singular fragment hardly feels like a buff to one of the least used subclasses in the game. Not saying its necessarily a nerf but it definitely isnt significant enough to fix the subclass
Behemoth main here, (rare i know).
Double the frost armor stack limit with rime, instead of the current +3?(not sure, it always stays on), but add a small slow per every stack over the base, a bit like icefall mantle, but without the flight restriction. It would give stasis some very much needed personality to the classes, would passively buff Cryoclasm for titan making it more useful by difference.
Since i find this to be quite titan specific, maybe i would put it in the harvest aspect instead, but i think warlocks could also lean into this slow fantasy as a slow but unstoppable force.
I wish that frost armor granted a damage buff of like 15% for the duration that frost armor lasts with Whisper of Rime, and I wish the shards granted healing based on health percentages. Like say you’re below 30% health, make the shard grant 30% health per shard. When above 50%, make it grant 15% health per shard.
I think that could really help it out, without changing the cooldowns on the stasis shard generation.
I would like to add Shadebinder should get 5 fragment slots as well.
And I really would like to add, hunters need tick damage on the duskfield in PvE. It’s a freezing, atrophying dome with debris.. let that thing tick for a decent amount.
A lot of stasis’s damage is backloaded. Make it hit harder on the front end.
Stasis needs to be able to generate shards without a harvest aspect.
Whisper of chill is cool but it shouldn’t require frost armor to make shards to get frost armor.
Frost armor is cool but shouldn’t require a harvest aspect.
Frost armor should also be equivalent to Woven Mail and the healing the stasis equivalent to Devour at least.
Also Whisper of conduction needs to be intrinsic to the class. I don’t like needing it to buff survival.
I played the legendary campaign on Stasis Titan since their prismatic kit is ass until you get consecration (which is after the campaign!) and it felt great! Frost Armor kept me alive.Shatter was great for add clear. I only struggled on tormentors.
I made a lancecap-wicked implement build and I was surprised by how bad frost armor was at 8 stacks. The effort required to get frost armor compared to getting woven mail wasn't worth it. The DR feels like it's half of what it should be, and frost armor should decay like armor charge and not all at once.
I also don't like how lances have zero tracking whilst tangles are very forgiving. The lancecap gameplay loop could be very fun if lances behaved like tangles, since I rarely have to think about whether my tangle will hit or not. Lob it and it'll hit something
Stasis Hunter actually use to be better as Mask of Bakris use to grant damage increase against slowed or frozen targets. This effect use to actually increase not only weapon damage, but also the damage of your abilities against said targets meaning you could throw Silence and Squall right after dodging to buff it's damage and your weapon damage at the same time. Now it's the terrible surge mods and it's been proven it was basically a damage nerf when they made the change. They need to revert it back if Stasis wants any sort of improvement at least for Hunters.
Stasis walked so light 3.0, Strand, and Prismatic could run.
Stasis being extremely powerful and oppressive when it first launched, and its polarizing popularity paved the way for our other subclasses.
It's still a bit sad that since it was a paid-for class for the longest time that it was basically relegated to being side-content past the beyond light era. So, tuning passes remained minimal after smacking it back down from the stasis meta days, and stasis focused perks/artifact mods were similarly minimal.
I do think it's gonna keep languishing for a good while until they decide to do a full on stasis 2.0-like refresh.
I’ve been playing a stasis hunter the last 2 days in GM’s and overall the experience is alright and I’m surviving fine most of the time, but the damage is lacking. And I agree we need a reliable way of healing instead of chasing orbs. But the crowd control and ability up time is actually feeling great
my personal opinion on the stasis reworks is that they are going the right direction. the problem is we need new stasis abilites. we have been playing with the same stasis abilites for almost 4 years now, and considering all of those options are available on prismatic, why run vanilla stasis anymore. the main reason to switch off of prismatic to a vanilla light subclass is to get access to the abilities on that subclass that arent on prismatic. Stasis and Strand dont have that benefit. Strand is a subject for another day but i honestly think the best way to get vanilla stasis back in the meta is give it new abilites. the new light supers are doing wonders for the vanilla classes rn despite also being on prismatic. thats the key
I slightly agree, but I still feel like this was a dignificant buff to stasis, and hopefully when we see additions to prismatic, we will also see some tuning with stasis to accompany that
I was worried about the harvest aspects giving the same heal as pre-reworked whisper of rime. Was sad to see my worry be true. I do like with the Hunter that I don't necessarily need the harvest aspect in order to get a good amount of frost armor if running with renewal grasp. Ik Warlocks have ballidorse to also give frost armor but osmiomancy is preferred so much more. Surprised the Titan's icefall mantle or some exotic to give them frost armor as well. While there is a fragment that can give frost armor, it's no where near as reliable as just picking up an orb like you can with prismatic.
Stasis has gotten improved, but there's still more room for improvement. Speaking from mostly a Hunter perspective here tho. Haven't played around a ton with the stasis builds on both my Warlock and Titan(too busy having fun with rocket chest piece)
I cant believe im saying this but i think it would be a good idea revisiting some of the nerfs to each class during year 4, i think we can all agree some of the problems we have today are caused by the nerfs made when stasis was broken behemoths im sure you know what im talking about
But the more i play with stasis i just accept that strand its just better wich pains me to the soul beacuse stasis its my favorite subclass : (
Shadebinder still feels the same being in a activity where you can pick up shards is the wrong place to be using shadebinder. Revenant feels better just everything else on hunter is stacked and makes it seem lackluster. Behemoth will probably never click to me despite having frost armor the easiest out of the 3.
At least Behemoth sustain is pretty solid now, I was already making boatloads of stasis crystals, and now they HEAL too so I’m just simply not dying anymore :)
I’m not sure if you are completely correct in a couple areas:
I’ll give you the frost armor status and aspects were updated for Prismatic sure, but it’s not like they didn’t do that for other aspects included in prismatic, both consecration and knockout were buffed and would you look at that, they’re in prismatic too!
Also, I don’t think you really have a point when saying that things like Silence and Squall or any of the melees were buffed just for prismatic - Stasis only has ONE melee option and ONE super option, so duh, of course those would be part of Prismatic.
Lastly, you made the point a lot about every other class having better sustain, but that’s not true at all - plenty of subclasses don’t have any sustain at all or require a specific fragment or aspect. Solar is really the only other class that has something similar to a healing key word. Sure devour is present on void, but unless you’re on warlock, it’s not as ubiquitous as something like stasis shards. Strand only has healing on Titan with a specific aspect, and Arc warlocks have no form of innate healing
Do I think that stasis in the best spot? Nah, but I think you’re reasoning is a little flawed and missing the bigger picture
I gotta say, the stasis shatter damage feels waaaaaaaay better. I got a build with the stasis exotic bow and Icefall Mantle. It really feels great having frost armor with the huge overshield with dr. I tried it in Gms yesterday and it would have slapped amazingly if the bow the surges of stasis or had antichampion capabilities (Glassway with barrier and overload champion, so not the perfect trial). Still, I have my one nags about Stasis. The cooldown of the stasis shards is way too noticeable. For my Horfrost Z build I liked to havr tons of melee regen for the aspect that creates the stasis crystals. As it is a very aggresive build, it really needs tons of sustain in more difficult activities (I still want to see if it has capabilities of doing solo dungeons. At least profecy, heresy and shattered throne. I think it has no way of doing the newer dungeons solo) and having to deal with that cooldown for getting little health makes it difficult to manage. Comparing frost armor to woven mail makes you get why one is better. With woven you get automatically like 35% dr. For Titan mains you can have Into the Fray and Banner of war. With these you get constant meaningfull healing and woven mail. With frost armor you have to fight the cooldown of the stasis fragments and the little health they give you plus having to pick up one by one. If I could get the five stacks of frost armor with the slide by default instead of breaking them and then having to pick them up would solve the issue (I feel that eay only eith the slide because it feels awkard shattering the crystals and then having to go backwards to collrct them when that was melee range. Yes I get that you can equip the fragment that makes them come to you but it feels like a waste of a slot when you already put yourself at melee and already went past the fragments9. And for diamond lance, it definetely feels better but its bugged. According to the patch notes they should shatter crystals on direct hits. Its not doing that currently... If it wasnt bugged, I would definetelydo a Cadmus Riged Cap for Gms, either in prismatic or stasis, but until it does what it is supposed to I am not going to bother. I wanted to try some stuff with the reworked fragments for a melee build with syntho or wormgod but it really feels like the better option its just putting on Winterbite, so... In conclusion, I feel somewhat disappointed with them. It feels better in someways but it needs some more tunning.
just wish there were way to get frost armor outside of stasis like prismatic and also an easy way to give frost armor / make it
I always wished Stasis had the ability to spread its verbs with aoe effects. Stasis warlock performs the best because it can spread slow/freeze to other combatants from a single kill or ability activation. Titans can spread with lance, but it's not passive like warlocks. Hunters just lack the spread in general, except its super.
It feels basicallt the same to me. I wish that you did t los qll your stacks at once of frost armor and instead that it woud deteraite over time at a descalating rate. This would give more survivabitly instead of lossing all protecting at once if you cant get a new shard. I also feel like we need kore melees and bades but especially supers though this also goes for strand
Very nice vid. Logical reasoning and the part about buying stasis because of Prismatic makes A LOT of sense. I only use stasis on my titan because it's part of Prismatic. Otherwise, I wouldn't touch it.
We need a lot on stasis but I think the biggest thing holding back build diversity is just the lack of exotics that synergize well with it. There's about one for each class.
However, I think there's a big misconception about what stasis is inside the community and why it's objectively worse than the other subclasses, minus prismatic since the video more or less nailed that issue. Stasis is about not taking damage. It's about methodical gameplay. It shines only when you can't kill enemies immediately and when supporting other classes. What it does well, it does the best in the game. There's just no where to use it. It's like asking why your support character can't do as much damage as the assassin. Destiny just has very little use for a support character. Yet, stasis hunter has one of the strongest dps rotations in the game and it's hardly utilized. The thing I love about stasis is that it feels like the most unique subclass in the game because it doesn't fit into the aggression mold where you play around how you heal. Since the goal is to not need healing in the first place. To fit stasis into the current sandbox would, imo, require a complete redesign of kit to focus on damage and healing at the cost of its cc. I would likely never enjoy the class again because it would be void or solar. Currently the shatter made a huge difference in lower end content where stasis was irrelevant because the enemies just fall over, on Hunter touch of winter is outclassed by winter's shroud so we have yet another freezing tool, the healing adds a nice touch to aggressive plays, and frost armor fixed the stationary defence play style with a separate stackable dr. These are some great first steps. But i could be a bit biased as a stasis main and not the greatest player.
As someone who hasn't played D2 since Witch Queen, what is that stasis pulse rifle from the opening? It looks cool
Disparity, pretty sure it's farmable from Operation: Seraph Shield
Frost Armor should just be an over shield and come up with a way to regain health (kills with frost armor add chip HP or something / standing near shattering targets)
I think the frost armor changes were a direct downgrade for stasis personally. With clever positioning, glacier grenades, and verglasse curve I was able to have my resist up instantly when needed and keep it up 24/7. Now I have to depend on getting kills on slowed/frozen targets and moving to their location to slowly stack up to a lower dr cap. Bungie said it was hard to keep up your stasis crystals for the resist, but I found that to be an interesting thing to play around. I would kill a trash mob with verglass, shoot a crystal onto a wall above me and just sit under my shelter with extra DR. No teammates (unless they're ass holes) would bother that shard and I could produce many more on the field for them to shatter to their hearts content. The 3 changes needed to make frost armor compete with the old resist would be to make shards intrinsic to stasis, have frost armor decay 1 stack at a time like armor charge, and increase the default stack cap or dr % per stack to at least 5% so you can reach a nice 25% at max stacks. what is this 22.5% crap?
And that's my take on the frost armor changes. The ability changes are fine, not super impactful but nice to have none the less.
with the inclusion of stasis having prismatic (silence and squall being my fav pve super) i only put on stasis for shatter-skating now😭
I just want Titans to get a new Stasis melee and ultimate. A melee like bonk, but instead of a hammer and being able to pick it up, just gave them make an ice fist and throw the projectile at a target, causing freezing and AOE. An Ultimate that has them freeze their feet to the ground and do the whole anime thousand punches type shit at enemies. Like a machine gun, but they are throwing ice fist projectile. The ultimate builds up slows on targets hit, eventually freezing and shattering targets. The freezing and shattering should be able to happen at least 3 times. Stasis needs some love.
I have no idea why they decided to make max Frost Armor weaker than Woven Mail despite Woven Mail being way easier to maintain.
I think the big problem for Stasis is a lack of exotics. Osmiomancy Warlock, Renewal Grasp Hunter and Hoarfrost-Z Titan are the only good builds for each class. Theres nothing that helps amplify the other niche parts of stasis that dont fit into those kits. That being said tho I think all thise classes are fine. Maybe bot for raiding but for GM content they are great and feeling really strong this season.
im 100% a warlock and have always luved stasis.. even when everyone was hating on it. every dam season was always hoping for some awesome artifact mods BUT nope bungie seems to hate stasis 🤷 we still only have a few things in the artifact.. every season its geared towards light subclass. anywho when final shape came out i was hella excited BUT it feels just liie B4 its having to choose between ice flare/ bleak vs glacial harvest for some shards build. i made a frost armor build to go with my turret build. and lets just say..im still on my bleakwatcher build 🤷 and yup..next step was to look into making a stasis pris build 🙂
honestly stasis and void are the most balanced subclasses imo. strand just needs a little tuning, some buffs some nerfs, and solar needs some overall nerfs but not very intense. Prismatic needs a rework, some abilities need to be rotated out desperately.
Played stasis for about a day on each class on my old builds that I had tweaked cause of the updates. Titan felt bad, a Hoarfrost and Howling crystal spam build. Warlock felt pretty much the same, a Bleak Watcher build. Hunter felt a bit better, a Renewal Build and a Shatterdive build.
Let me cook what they should have done is add the season of the wish “when shatter frozen targets spawn a stasis crystal” but add it to a fragment or the core subclass so when ever you do that and it gets a kill it spawns another one dependent on enemy tier also remove the fragment where primary weapons do more damage to stasis shards add that as a benefit at all time and a 15% increase to damage when damaging a frozen target or what ever it was before and change it to “when freezing a tragedy all weapons do 30% more damage” (since it’s only for short bursts of time since you teammates break it) and also add to a useless fragment “when freezing a target your alies gain frost amour” remove the shards system and add that to your super bar since stasis supers are mid asf
From what I’ve played stasis feels really good now
Do you have any stasis build for hunters with frost ees lol
The doubling of base shatter damage and wiper of torment giving 20% with frost armor on stasis is kinda still the same, I will admit with the shatter fragment that increases its damage along with the buffs it’s very nice ad clear but that’s kinda it
I enjoy Stasis a bit more now, especially on Hunter with Renewals. That being said, it’s still mostly the same. IMO the best way to use stasis is on prismatic. Warlock with Osmio, Hunter with slow dodge and Liars, Titan with…well nothing stasis tbh
I’m not sure just feels like basic kit building watching the video and listening to the opinion. I was waiting for a moment about the updates to touch of winter since the video showcases hunter gameplay. The updates to cold snaps with touch of winter goes hard. Which imo unlocks hunters from dust fields in a pretty huge way. There is a bit of confusion over the commentary shatter dive has been a huge part of the hunter kit. So shatter builds have kind of always been a part of stasis hunter. The shatter from the different formations of crystals with touch of winter has been doing huge damage for about 3 seasons I think. I think the main hiccup around stasis is people thinking they are locked into playing a certain way not sure where that comes from. I think stasis feels a lot better in final shape. Not sure if it’s lagging though. I think the process of discovery is still open for players it’s just if they choose it over prismatic or not.
The fact that you need a fragment to get it to 8 stacks and even boosted that much it’s still worse then woven mail is wild to me
Like the artifact perk galvanic armor gives I think a 30% damage resist from amplified, which is more damage resist than the base max frost armor with LITERALLY no effort, if that’s allowed to be 30% then why the hell is frost armor so weak?
I think frost armor should be changed to 6% resist per stack instead of 4.5% so it gets to 30% at 5 stacks and 48% at 8 stacks if you use the fragment
It is better than before, but it it in a worse place because any time I consider taking it, I realize I am better off taking prismatic now. All the stasis builds that I ever wanted to play are on prismatic, and better.
Except for shatterdive I guess.
As a warlock main that loves shadebinder. You hit all the points. Stasis got "reworked" to make prismatic feel better. Why run shadebinder when I can play cooler shadebinder that's actually good?
And as a warlock main that also loves shadebinder, on prismatic you FINALLY have a useful super
I mainly agree with the video.
Stasis feels just a tiny bit better, but is still not great.
And it does feel like it was just buffed for Prismatic, not for Stasis itself
They gotta rework harvest aspects entirely at this point its still is just a requirement for any stasis builds i dont understand why they are so hesitant to do this
With Stasis requiring an aspect or specific (less safe) options for Frost Armor gen than something like Woven Mail I think ot should have the potential to be stronger.
Hypothetically let us have 3 stacks at base and 5 with fragment.
Each stack gives 10% dr in PvE but only 2% in PvP.
This isn't perfect but for something much more involved to build up and maintain it would help a lot.. Help Prismatic too but that is an after thought.
I don't think this is perfect and it is one small issue Stasis faces.
As a small addition could we have Frost Armor appear as frost on our Guardians rather than a bluer overshield? It would be nice is all.
At this point the only thing that can save Stasis is new Supers Melees and Grenades along side Busted Stasis exotics. And even with all of this I bet it would barely move the needle… oh well
How do you feel adding more AoE to shatter damage would improve things?
I think the current shatter damage/aoe is fine; Stasis really suffers from a lack of sustain above everything else. In this week's GM I was able to lock down everything with stasis, but if i got hit at all it was very hard to regain my health to stay alive, for example
Stasis Titan feels a lot like void Titan. It takes an aspect to get the subclass unique buff but the uptime is so trash there is no real way to fully use it properly. On the other hand arc Titan is brain dead easy to get amplify that it's potency is totally trash. And during the 3.0 update void Titan had more utility in providing buffs to teammates effecting cooldowns, and arc Titan had a way to reload weapons sliding over ammo and getting a weapon damage buff. Ballistic slam used to give bonus super energy and weapon damage, and the subclass could get an extra grenade without the use of an exotic. 3.0 update stripped all of that away gave Titans bastion and then they nerfed the cooldown to absurd levels and gave no way to earn the class ability back faster built into the subclass itself. And on top of all of that void oversold just sucks. So the uptime gets substantially nerfed without the potency getting any buffs at the same time. It's way too easy to lose the shield and very few ways to gain one. Nerfs suck.
A good comparison you can made with stasis shards in this current meta are ionic traces. Easy to come by if you focus on it. There are tons of ways you can say ionic traces are arguably better than SS though, and granting ability energy to all abilities is one of those things. Not to mention you can gain IT from exotics (coldheart). Not to mention, TF ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO WITH ALL THAT MELEE ENERGY FROM THOSE STASIS SHARDS? It’s unfortunate that the stasis melees are what they in pve (ass; with an exception for the hunter which I honestly love), because they just don’t make much of an impact for me to build around
make slow stacks better in pve with a fragment to increase the amount applied (like ember or ashes), allow grenades to be more impactful in regards to add-control and team play (dusk field in particular- I want a mini ward of dawn with renewals grasp bungo plz 😢). shatter dmg will come naturally with the growth in application of slow. that new seasonal relic fragment this that causes a slowing blast on defeating stasis enemies?- make that an inherent part of the stasis subclass kit (honestly, it might not be too bad in pvp- just don’t bunch up). Make stasis shards give all ability energy- building into ability usage, in turn increasing add-control effectiveness with grenades.
It is so annoying that to use frost armor properly you have to put like 2 fragments and 1 aspect, when you can put 1 fragment to get woven mail
And also, put Whisper of Rending intrisinc of stasis subclasses, it is so annoying to use a single fragment just to destroy stasis crystals faster and doesn’t bring much except ease of use
My issue with stasis is the lack of identity. I pretty much exclusively play hunter, the other 4 subclasses all feel distinct with their own niches. Stasis doesn’t really do anything particularly well for me. Which makes me sad cause visually I think it’s one of their best classes!! Side note, while I think it’s overall lacking, winters shroud is one of my favorite things on prismatic and stasis!!
I have a stasis loadout, and it's to skate as hunter...
But seriously it's just a boring subclass and (at least for hunters) the exotics are just shit and don't do much to actually make the class feel different or strong enough to use.
If stasis shards started health regeneration this class would feel 100% better to play.
It's fine, not crazy good, but not as bad as it used to be either. Hunter is still the best feeling subclass, with a good all round setup, it feels the most balanced compared to how lacking the Titan and Warlock feel, It's the only Stasis subclass with a one and done super too, so imo its the best Super out of the 3. However even on Hunter, its not earth shatteringly good either, just good enough to actually function decently. In the end the fragments and aspects still need better numbers and reworks, more along this line.
Stasis titan can bug the game with a cluster of ads. Weapons will disappear and make you run around bare fists. It will also slow/ freeze your game
Every single thing that frost armor touched was a nerf other than the stasis shard aspects
I'd say that Titan is even worse now.
titan just got fucked in general this expansion
build diversity is just terrible on stasis
like with titan, a class based around creating as many crystals as possible and shattering them, you have:
1. Cryoclasm- you can actually destroy crystals without needing 7 smg mags
2. Diamond lance - extra fragment slot, can shatter crystals (when bungie can be fucked to actually add this like they said they did in the FS :D), can freeze from range and in an AOE
3. Howl of the Storm - turns one of, if not the worst, melees in the game into something you can actually use.
4. Harvest - DR, healing, melee regen.
so tell me, what combination do you go?
if you want your melee to actually have a place in your kit outside of moving around the map because thats the only thing its good for, then you have to run HOTS. if you want to use your melee alot now that you've got this, youll want stasis shards from Harvest. But then you cant shatter the crystals you make without needing 400 bullets because you need either of the other 2 aspects.
unforunately i think titan is just locked into harvest + cryo/diamond lance
but then you realise, for some reason, you cant throw grenades when holding a diamond lance; meaning to shatter something with it, you'd have to create a diamond lance, throw a crystal, walk over to the diamond lance, pick it up, and throw it at the crystal. thats such a clunky and stupidly designed gameplay loop its like they didnt even think of it.
so you have to go harvest and cryoclasm and just accept that your melee is garbage and that you dont get diamond lances or 5 fragment slots like hunter does.
and then there're the fragments.
we STILL have to go fissures, shards, and rending if you dont want to be miserable, leaving your last slot to torment or rime.
if they fix diamond lances maybe there's a world in which icefall mantle (Which should have given frost armor instead of an OS) becomes a play.
hunter pretty much got nerfed with renewals, buffed with frosteez + coldsnap, and buffed with shatterdive (although you have to now choose between frost armor and the extra crystals)
warlock is also still the same- you still go osmiomancy because there's nothing else to go, and you still have the worst super in the game. but hey, atleast you're a lil tankier.
And I thought Arc needed help...
Stasis very much feels like a okay to good subclass left behind with subclass 3.0
As a behemoth main, the changes were not good. Before we could use whatever we wanted but now we have to use tectonic harvest to get anything out of the class because everything was turned to frost armor. Not to mention they capped my crystals. Cryo slide was the worst change of all taking away my control over when to long slide. As someone who mains the class in pve and pvp i am angrier about these changes than the sorry state prismatic titan was shipped.
I feel like it's not bad but especially behemoth suffers from mediocre stasis exotics and the jank of salvations grip.
Stasis Titan has been gutted 😩
Behemoth died for Shatter Dive's sins and Bungie refuses to allow Titans to have anything useful for Raids. The nerf to Stasis Crystals was the end of me using Stasis as a Titan player.
Frost armour is pretty weak considering woven mail exists
I think stasis is the same as before, that said, I’m cool with no having a healing built in, I don’t want every subclass to do the same thing… I really wanted stasis with more lethal grenades or super variety is what it needs… I personally love stasis, but it’s non lethal grenades, super damage , and ability uptime is mid..
stasis has very high ability up time tho on hunter on my renewal grasp build i get my nade back in 1 second
The stasis rework was 100% intended to buff prismatic and it actually nerfed the regular element. Dr next to crystals was so essential to survivability all they needed to do was make the Dr slowly fall off when not by a crystal. Frost armor is pathetic and lazy. So many people were speculating if itd have a slow burst when broken or some other neat effect but no we got worse dr than woven when stasis was the og DR buff element.
Ive always loved lances their buffs were quality of life not real meaninfull buffs( they still dont shatter crystals weeks into the expansion btw so their entire buff didnt even happen) The main reason to use lances on titan was 3 fragments. Now im even more incentivized to run harvest and rhime. The nerf to shard generation was really the final draw. Stasis titan has no meaninfull gameplay loop. Ever since the removal of elemental wells stasis will never be worth running.
This subclass was built at a way different time. Elemental wells were designed alongside stasis their shards fueled a vastly superior mod system where their flexibility truly gave them strength. This was before 3.0 stasis was the first class to have radiant and dr overshields and ability loops from pickups. Stasis has been left behind as all classes do the things it was first made to do better.
To me it was just a nerf to stasis before we could get DR and a oversheild with just 2 fragments now we just have DR. Frost armor requires an aspect to even get and without the fragment its terrible with the fragment you need 8 shards and its still less DR than wovenmail which is one orb and one fragment. And to make things worse if you make more than 6 shards in a row you get a ten second cooldown. How could they even make these changes and say its a buff in any way.
If titan prismatic is outperforming stasis than stasis really does have a problem.