FJ gets WILD SUSPENSION chassis setup
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Build Episode #1 for the next generation Barra powered FJ45/80.
In this video we’re starting thew new build with a standard 80 series landcruiser chassis, adding some chassis plates, removing this section and this section to allow better suspension performance while maintaining a low centre of gravity, doing some cutting, welding and grinding before we end up with a finished chassis. We go through a detailed explanation on this later in the video so make sure you stick around if you love talking tech.
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0:00 Introduction
1:09 Cutting mounts of 80 series Chassis
1:46 Chassis Table
2:46 Putting Chassis on Table
3:42 Chasssis Plates
4:52 Plating the chassis
9:14 Chassis Delete
13:38 Explanation on the processes and benefits
18:16 Front Cross Member
18:57 Sanding
25:22 Chassis Complete
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Uncle Richo's whiteboard seminars please!
Durrys customs style
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Have to just say, the true MVP in this video is Connor, i know he doesnt like the camera, but his efforts to date with the work on my car have been second to none. Also the way he explains everything on camera is nothing short of awesome. Need more connor on camera in the episodes to come.
Awesome work fellas.
One of the most underrated channels hands down
Mint presentation Rich. I personally wouldn't mind some in depth "engineer talk" included. Just the right mix would be great. Thanks for the content. Cheers
Noted!
Love the tech aspect to this kinda shit so much man, such a good watch.. the tips for keeping it corner to corner when welding is awesome, people think that butting things up perfect with no gaps is the way to go, so showing that is mint. 🥵
I’m amazed at the volume of work you undertaking…. love the technical explanation. Great work team.
Much appreciated! Glad you enjoy it.
As a Boily turned CAD guy, if you could touch base (for people that aren't in the know) of the hrs that go into the computer aspect of it.
So good having the table to work on. 🎉
It really is!
Nice work guys! Whiteboard Yes!
Awesome vid.! Great to see how much actually goes into a chassis modification 👌🏼
More vids like this please
Very very impressive .... 👍
Awesome build. And definitely keen to see some more in-depth explanation to the engineering side.
Exceptional vid as usual. Thanks
I love cutting and welding and just landed on a Gem, ofcourse i was gonna subscribe.
Love these videos mate keep it up
My first episode, love anything FJ!
This level of detail was perfect. Enjoying the content brother
Much appreciated!!!
Me too, Id like to see the Whiteboard out :) and same for me too, I'm interested in the Engineering requirements too. When I investigated putting a 2002 Defender Coil Sprung chassis under my 1976 Landrover my Engineer advised that making my 1976 body comply with 2002 ADR's was going to be very very difficult so I'm interested to see how you guys do this build.
Hey Nick, this 80 series chassis is pre-97 ADR's so it will be much easier to meet than the 2002 requirements. Thats the reason we are using 80 series chassis and not 105/100/75/200 etc.
love the video and explanation/ tech talk.
Great Video Guys, easy to follow along.
Thank you 🙃
Loved this type of build vid! White board would be great too!
Thanks mate! I reckon we'll sneak it in!
Looking forward to this build.
So are we!
Love this stuff. Tougher than nuts.
Nice workshop, i extended my 91 jackaroo chassis to fit a rodeo d/cab in my shed.
looks great guys also i love grinding too,,,,,,,
Looking forward to this build very interesting
You and me both!
Very cool build Richard, well done everyone. Seeya Rob
Cheers Rob!
Great episode, keep up the content and explanations 👍
Much appreciated!
This nerd wants you to break out the whiteboard!
Love your videos mate. Keep up the great work. Wish I could do a collaboration with you!
awesome video mate i haven’t watched many fabrication videos that aren’t super boring but you have done well to condense it and break it up with the info on why. love all the info you can give if possible whiteboard for the win please even if it’s a seperate nerd video.
Thank you!! I'll see how it cuts up, ideally 2-3 mins of technical in a 25 min video would be good I reckon, but if it goes for longer I'll use your other video idea.
whiteboard? yes!
So gooooood
Thanks mate!!!!
Try using HRS (hot rolled steel) plate pickled & oiled for your plasma table. Welds nicer, read less spatter, and grinds so much easier then when you use steel plate which still has the mill scale on it. The grinding discs "slide" of the mill scale and wont bite anymore. You can see that the mill scale gets shiny like a mirror. Also the metal is already clean for paint so no need for shotblasting/ sanding if needed.
Thanks mate, I’ll have a look into it.
depending on how much more expensive pickled plate is, another way around it is to coat/paint the mill scale with pure phosphoric acid found in rust converters. It then comes off pretty easy with a strip it disc.
Go in depth as much as possible! The more details the better!
You guys are a top notch crew!
Great build, great presentation!
Your level of explaining is the bare minimum for explaining performance upgrades. I’d like it a little more detailed.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the content.
Much appreciated! Will get into some heavy detail in the suspension episode!
Lesssss go!
Good job. Keep it like this do you
Cheers Lawrence!
Great work so far. Geek out! I think you'll smoke engineering explained with a worked example. And in terms of longevity of content...will be great to see how the design/engineering work is reflected in real-life execution.
Thanks mate, I think I'll start to put little snippets in before delving too deep. Seems to be the general feedback!
Please bring out the white board. I love the explanations.
How much of the original chassis do you need to keep to still satisfy the registration authority or engineer that it is still an 80 series?
I'm hesitant to say on here because I'm not sure if there are variations state to state, we haven't actually removed that much here although it looks like a lot!
Awesome work! I'd really enjoy hearing about the geometrical advantages and extra travel compared to the OEM limitations. What droop/bump travel ratio are you planning, and will you be running a soft coiled compression biased damping setup for high speed off road?
Hey mate, we'll cover it all in a future suspension episode! 🙂
How come you aren’t sweaty and dirty like Connor ?🤣. Keep it coming love it.👌👍
Hahaha, someone had to hold the camera.... My time will come no doubt.
Bust out the whiteboard for sure. Particularly on suspension geometry.
Could you have triangluated the lowers more? Possibly then not needing to cut the bottom section out, along with increasing roll stiffness and having the chassis end mounts not hanging below the bottom of the chaissis rail?
Only down side i can see is trying to package anything else inside the chassis rails like exhaust or fuel/water tanks.
Do you clean inside the rails?
Go full nerd, no one else really does. Even if I dont understand most of it, it'll still be more than we get elsewhere.
Thanks mate, might dabble into it a little bit - seems to be the consistent feedback!
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Love the finished product as well as the video's. Aside from the fact the 40 series is cool as hell, why not build an 80?
The 40 series body is nice and compact, it sits further in the wheel track than an 80 which is better for integrating barwork. We have also done a lot of development for 40 series cabs to make them serviceable, everthing is metal meaning its easy to customise and you'll see what we're going to weld in later on in the series. You hit the nail on the head though, we just love the look of the 40 series.... I do love the 60 as well personally, future series!?
60 series you say.....
Do you guys make body mounts, to put a 60 on an 80 chassis??
Will the files be available for purchase? for us overseas that can't pay LCS to do the job lol
That's impressive but my hands hurt just thinking about having to do that much grinding 😂
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Wondered if this was the chassis on top of the container when I drove past LCS the other day (it’s near the tyre shop I use)! Must be another project in the works 😂
Haha just another donor chassis for a 45/80!!
Nice @EngineeringExplained shoutout at 17:20
Love that channel!
Whiteboard!
I’m all for showing more detailed eps in the future. Also my question is why use the 80 series chassis if you’re just going to redo 90% of it? Could the same just be done with a 75 series chassis or 60 series for example?
Hey mate, I think the reason for this is because of the extensive knowledge we have gained already with that proven chassis and because of all the great cad modifications/brackets/geometry they have developed to date with it all. I keep having to remind myself this isn't just an fj45/80 build, we are going all out and adding all the fruit that the boys have learnt/developed with the 80 chassis over the years.
@@barragu7189 yeah that makes perfect sense mate. Cheers
Just outta curiosity, with all that welding, welded in a fixed position, would it have been worth considering to stress relieve the complete chassis and frame together in an oven? I'm not an engineer and I'm sure you've done your homework. Just curious.
Great job uncle Richie really enjoyed this video make me understand the work lcs do and love the fact you guys local to me. So by using the 80 series chassis means all your emissions and braking is based on that not the 40 series body ?
Glad you enjoyed it! Actually everything (in vic atleast) goes off the chassis regulations. 80 Series are a sweet spot because most of them are pre 97 ADRS!
@@DesignedandBuilt thats interesting, thanks for the info got a few ideas floating around chassis swaps and custom 60 series / 79s might have to hit you up at some point keep up the great work
@@jessehill1421 60 on an 80 is a great combo and there is a lot of gear that already exists! Cheers Jesse.
Whiteboard welcome.
Whiteboard sessions, please!
A 40 grit flap disc would cut that grinding time down significantly.
We used a 36 then a 50 mate.
how do you go about getting something this modified registered? i hope you put out a video
It all had to adhere to VSB 14 at the end of the day! Hotrods do this sort of stuff all the time.
are yous grinding all your plasma cut edges to remove the free carbon or just welding it up pretty much as is? love to see it all from start to finish
No we're not, sometimes we knock the dross off with a wire wheel when required and then blaze!
Check out As/Nz 1554 for guidelines on it
@@michaelnoyes4817 Checked with Conor, he has been taking back the edges before it's welded. I have been with Ally but not steel, but you learn something new every day cheers for that.
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White board please for us diy guys
17:25 more details the better bud 👌
Cheers Liam!
Can I ask, how come the centre section of the chassis doesn't get boxed in?
It's already quite strong as it is designed to deal with the load between the axles, no need!
Pardon my ignorance, as I'm not at all aware of laws and regulations in Australia, but with the amount of custom work needed for the chassis why not create your desired chassis from ground up? What would be the hassles associated with this route? Also if one was dead set on taking this route, what are the possibilities of success in terms of getting the ride registered, etc. Thank you and great video, looking forward to the series!
No worries - that would come with its own set of challenges. It would be an ICV in Victoria which has its own set of safety standards that have to be adhered to rather than this 80 series which is pre-97 Australian Design Rules. Basically a different set of hassles, this is the path of least resistance for us.
cool thanks for the insight and good luck with the build @@DesignedandBuilt
@@hakie. thank you!!
Lose the crappy background noise and you have made the perfect vid.
Haha no music you reckon?
Good video and great work lads.
Your use of cutting discs without disc guards nor face shields makes me squirm though 🤢
Why the addition of patrol parts ?
The driveline and steering box are stronger!
8:50
why no plasma for that? A plasma should the the perfect tool for that. Especially as the frame is curved.
We needed to get the chassis cut to size for the plates, a plasma would have left 1.5mm excess.
Right.
@@DesignedandBuilt
But how did you charge the batteries???
Someone had to ask!
Haha, charged at home which had power!
@@DesignedandBuilt Ahh! That makes sense! Love your builds, I drive a 2006 VX100, and between us the wife and I have a HJ45, a BJ42, two HJ61’s and the 100, all in little Denmark🇩🇰
@@Equine_frederikke Haha that is awesome, sounds like a great collection - would love to see them rocking around Denmark!
There's so little of the original frame left that using any of it seems pointless - why not fully custom-build a frame? It is just to have a original chassis number as a legal technicality?
Legal technicality!
you've made a copy of a jeep TJ/LJ chassis.
have a talk to your sound editor
- stupid loud music volume
- have to turn the volume up to hear your voice
Apologies, watched it back on my computer and wasn't bad but watched on a TV with surround and it was horrible. Will fix it up next time!
слишком много лишних слов , больше дела меньше слов , тогда будет интересно смотреть
Hmm its not really a80 chassis now , surprised engineer accepted so many mods to it
Hot rods & mini trucks can be fully notched, there is a certain percentage you have to retain to be able to register. We haven't actually removed that much % wise.
Why not just get new tubes bent?
In Victoria we have to retain a certain percentage of the original chassis to register it which more or less rules it out unfortunately!
Brutal! god speed@@DesignedandBuilt
Great engineering feat Richo, but that montage altinating music is SH#T
How do you mean alternating music? Different songs or volume going up and down for the talking?
@DesignedandBuilt volume going up and down, other than that, great episode 👏
What would you recommend out of interest? Hard to get the talking across clearly over the music. Very open to suggestions. Thanks mate :)
@DesignedandBuilt sorry, the talking was fine, it was the first music that was a bit hard to take... all good, keep up the great content.
Roger
@@WDMTAdventures fair, not as fitting as the rest. Cheers for the feedback, appreciate it and glad you enjoy the content.
What the heck is a Barra?
Ford 4 litre I6!
Why not just build a new chassis from scratch, way less work and hot rodders do it all the time so its definitely legal
As I mentioned in the video, that would come with its own set of challenges. It would be an ICV in Victoria which has its own set of safety standards that have to be adhered to rather than this 80 series which is pre-97 ADRS.
So your basically cutting and changing everything except the centre outer rails, instead of cutting up a good chassis why not just build a jig and start from scratch
As I mentioned in the video, that would come with its own set of challenges. It would be an ICV in Victoria which has its own set of safety standards that have to be adhered to rather than this 80 series which is pre-97 ADRS.
Drives me nuts when the brains come into the workshop and drop the old "we've done this" and "we've done that" Architects are the worst for it, they don't even bother with "We". Conner sitting back thinking. "yeah... We..."
Team work makes the dreamwork 😂not everything is captured on camera, but I'll be more mindful next time I'm editing