PATEK PHILIPPE vs AUDEMARS PIGUET: NAUTILUS vs ROYAL OAK: 5711 vs. 15400
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Contact tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing and availability; Either I have it, or I can get it! Patek Philippe vs. Audemars Piguet. Luxury watches - sports watches - battling for the Olympus of high horology. In today’s luxury watch market, steel sports watches dominate, and both Nautilus and Royal Oak enjoy dealer wait lists, pre-owned markups, and fanatical fanbases.
A rivalry born with AP’s 1875 birth opened a new front in 1976, when Patek Philippe commissioned designer Gerald Genta to pen a response to his own stainless steel Audemars Piguet Royal Oak sports watch. The 1976 Patek Philippe Nautilus was distinct enough to offer a counterpoint to AP’s angular Royal Oak, but rarely have two rival luxury watch models been so clearly cut from the same cloth. Now powered by in-house movements with center second dials, offered in a range of dial designs, and somewhat different in dimensions and durability than their ancestors, the flagship sports watch of AP and Patek are ready to battle over the modern luxury watch buyer’s heart and money.
The Royal Oak 15400st.oo.1220st.02 is the most modern steel three-hand Royal Oak that Audemars Piguet offers. Its case, dial, and bracelet tandem date to the Royal Oak’s 2012 40th anniversary SIHH collection. Now 41mm in stainless steel, the Royal Oak 15400ST “02” also sports a cool silvery white tapisserie dial that we considered ideal for a summertime watch comparison. The essential lines from 1972 remain intact, but from clasp to bracelet to caliber, this is a more robust Royal Oak than the 15202 extra thin that hews more closely to the 1972 original. Audemars Piguet equips each Royal Oak 15400 with a manufacture caliber 3120. It’s a 40-jewel automatic with a 60-hour power reserve, hacking (stop) seconds, and quick-set date for convenience. Audemars Piguet designed this movement for both the Royal Oak and Royal Oak Offshore, so the full balance bride and free-sprung balance provide a measure of shock resistance. AP’s Royal Oak 15400 offers a screw-down crown rather than the Royal Oak 15202’s push-down; the rated water resistance depth of each is identical at 50-meters, but the 15400’s rating is a more reliable 50 than the 15202; do not swim with a 15202 unless you like to live dangerously… and expensively.
Patek Philippe’s Nautilus last was refreshed in 2006 during its own 30th anniversary model year. The Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A-010 is a blue-dial stainless steel poem in metal, sapphire, and brass. Its slinky two-link bracelet feels as smooth as silk on the wrist, and though less robust, its deployant clasp is far more elegant than the Audemars’ chunky double-folding equivalent. Patek has preserved the essential lines of the original Nautilus 3700, but the original monoblock case construction vanished more than a decade ago. Nevertheless, 120-meter water resistance is available despite the use of a display case back; the original Nautilus 3700 never reconciled these features. Patek has further elaborated on the 1976 Nautilus with center-seconds, a gorgeous silver metallic dial, and an in-house automatic caliber 324 SC. Although the 35-45 hour power reserve of the caliber 324 cannot match AP 3120, and the 324 lacks stop seconds, Patek’s movement offers advanced technology in its details. A Patek Philippe Spiromax silicon hairspring protects against magnetic fields, and ceramic rotor bearings combine with unidirectional winding for superior winding efficiency. Patek Philippe adjusts each Nautilus 324 S C in six positions - chronometers generally boast only five - and Patek guarantees timing of -3/+2 seconds per day or better. The Patek caliber 324 also offers indisputably finer finish than the Audemars Piguet rival, and the slim Patek caliber is the reason why this Nautilus 5711 is 8.5mm thick compared to the AP Royal Oak 15400’s 9.9mm thickness.
Will the Patek Philippe Nautilus topple its eternal rival, or has the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak tightened its grip on the championship belt? Find out on VERSUS#9!
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We needed Rolex de-tox after a long run of them, so I upped the ante with Patek Philippe vs. Audemars Piguet. Now that you've seen my choice, which one would you select?
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews Great video, Tim. I’d go with the Royal Oak! 🔥
great video, it was exact what i needed. I am in the market for 1 of these! you have great taste!
Thanks, Justin! The Royal Oak is a fine choice. Especially on a larger wrist, the 15400 has incredible stance and presence.
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Tim
Wow, perfect timing! Let me know if there's anything you need to know that I might have omitted in the video.
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Tim
15400
AP is more attractive PP looks so simple
It's all in the eye of the beholder, thanks for your feedback Ahmad!
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The Nautilus is almost twice the price of RO but personally the RO looks much better
A 15202 wouldn't have been appropriate for this test based on the Nautilus' dramatic performance and durability advantages, but a blue Jumbo RO/SS would have been my choice over the 5711. They're not directly comparable on a comparison basis unless emotion is the only criterion.
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Tim
I love these kinds of videos! They’re very detailed, educational and great at telling the stories of the watches. Keep up the great work Tim and team!
Thank you! You keep watching them, and I'll keep writing them!
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Tim
Patek, no question for me! Could be my only watch (and theoretically could be, if I sold my entire current collection and put in some cash ...), whereas the Royal Oak always is a bit "too much" for me.
I'm going with the Nautilus. I'm a sucker for an exquisitely finished movement.
It'll also fit my wrist better.
Love them both though.
You wouldn't be disappointed. The people who make the screws for the Patek don't know whether that screw is going into a grand complication with a sapphire back or a basis 5196 with a 215 manual and a solid back. Finish of all Nautilus caliber components is uncompromising.
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews Wow - OCD at it’s very best. What a company!
I have AP white dial for almost 2 years and i think it is very perfect watch for every occasion. So for me AP white dial is forever watch and hidden gems.
The RO for me! No matter how many times I see it I just cant get over that perfect bracelet! The new RO with the new movement is much better looking (the movement, from the back) in my opinion.
Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, the AP RO is the better watch.
Dollar for dollar, definitely. The price premium for the Nautilus -- used -- is crazy. You need to be seriously motivated to wait 18-24 months for a new one or pay above list to own a 5711 pre-owned.
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Tim
If you can afford Nautilus, please get Nautilus. AP is not in the same league and it is not nearly as reliable, accurate , precise or well made. I own many Patek timepieces and do no care for AP and their shoddy workmanship.
AP RO >>> PPN
AP dial and bracelet are stunning, PPN is for old gentleman.
The versus series is my favorite! Keep them up, love them.
The work to make them is worth the response. I appreciate this kind feedback, and I'm sure that my team will be pleased if they read this encouragement.
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Tim
Royal Oak. It's a symbol of something greater in the horology space. The AP servicing experience is something of a downside, but the up front cost advantage over the Nautilus more than makes up for it. AP RO all the way.
Agreed on the AP service experience. For all the improvements AP has made to its process, I'd still send my caliber 3120 Royal Oak to our own Mike Michaels 10/10 times for service.
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Tim
Tim, your watch knowledge is amazing as always. Reviews are always comprehensive. Makes me want to earn more money just for watches. Cheers
I love the RO so had to get one
I wonder if they'll go up in price as much as the PP has.
Amazing episode Tim! Thank you. It’s a real hard decision between these two icons. What’s your opinion on Maurice Lacroix?
I was wearing my hulk today and say a guy with a gold offshore we had a nice watch talk at the airport
We were in Phuket thailand and I told him I lefty Daytona at home in holidays and he said Beverly Hills and Barcelona are the only places he’s been mugged for a watch
Don't you love those airport watch meetings I was in Houston with my second gen Overseas and was sitting next to someone with a first generation
You don’t fly private? Lol
I prefer the Nautilus...can't do 50m water resistance. I'm surprised the AP RO ticks at 21,600VpH...I would have thought it would have had a higher beat rate. Brian Govberg always talks about how difficult it is for the date disc to match the dial color perfectly...to my eye both of these missed on that feat.
Outstanding review and comparison Tim and team.
Have the 5711 and the 15300 AP love them both the 41 mm RO is a tad big even on my 7in wrist
Great show I like the Royal Oak but would be proud to own either. 👍⌚️
Both very Interesting and styleful. The Ap is the way to go.i find the patek has a more classic design while the ap has a more 70’s look.
I felt the same way. Four years of reconsidering the Royal Oak paid off for Genta. The Nautilus is more nuanced, and I believe that its less monolithic profile feels less a product of 70s tropes.
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Tim
That was a good review of two watches I could never own because of the price. But I do like hearing about them. They both are really nice watches! For dress I would go with the Patek Philippe. For anything else I would go at with the audemars piguet.. Ap.
One of your best videos yet, informative, much better lighting, better background, better video filter and overall richness and contrast of the scenery really make the watches pop. Bravo!!
I'm pushing hard for across-the-board lighting and lens upgrades. Thank you for noting our changes to date; better quality is on the way,
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Tim
Huge difference from before, even the shot selections are improved, macro stationary scenes are a breath of fresh air. Gives us a real good look at the intricate details of the watches, something missed on moving wrist shots. Keep up the hard work!
Have both and love both. If I had to pick one though I'd go with the Royal Oak. The bracelet puts it over the top.
Everyone has their preference! We're glad you enjoyed our video!
Stay tuned for more!
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I have never been disappointed since I became a customer of gussl. Their timepieces are of exceptional quality.
I have both the nautilus 5712 and the 39mm RO chrono. I love both watches for their design classicism but the nautilus is far more comfortable to wear. Having said that wild horses couldn’t persuade me to part with either. Great review Tim.....as usual
The VRE/MRSA analogy at 2:44 was absolutely brilliant and I’m positive anyone familiar with phenomenal reproduction rate of microbial organisms found it quite amusing. I know I did. Flawlessly executed as always. 👌🏾
A beautifully presented and scripted comparison video with lots of interesting details. I must say i was very disappointed by the actual dial of the Nautilus, especially when compared to the blue dial version. The AP dial however has oodles of character and panache. Very hard to choose between the two - I prefer the size of the PP, the smoother sweep second hand because of the higher beat movement, and the WR rating is far superior however I’m more drawn to the AP’s personality even though I recently hit 50 and am not a rock star or basketball player!
That's OK, we shouldn't all want the same thing. I appreciate your kind feedback, and I'll work to keep the quality high for future installments. We're looking at a fascinating battle of independents next weekend, so stay tuned for our next chapter!
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews Look forward to that!
You've mentioned a couple times recently that the AP 3120 movement doesn't have much hand finishing. I respect your opinion, but I own a 15400 (and a 15202) and both movements look absolutely gorgeous to me. I also attended one of the AP watchmaking classes and assembled a 3090 movement (the hand wind version of the 3120), and the case parts under a loop look to be very well finished. Can you explain in a bit more detail? Thanks!
Great respect for both watch makers, yet is there a “physical” reason for the massive price difference? Or is it just the price of having the PP name on your wrist?
It's obvious that AP has an advantage in their design. Patek has a finishing advantage. case close ,,, its in buyers perspective to choose ,,, I would Choose AP although I don't like the idea that they make Royal Oaks in most of their collection.
Valid points Mohamed!
Thanks for watching!
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Wow Tim ,quite the challenge to be sure. These two truly compete back and forth in the ring on every level from aesthetic , key issue of dial visibility to mechanical - if you value wr - which I do. Patek gets my vote - . You staged the competition perfectly once again. 👍.
I appreciate your support of this project. These are time-intensive, but views and encouragement make it a worthwhile endeavor for the team. More Versus segments are on the way, and I need to start thinking about watch selection for the next shoot!
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Tim
More educational videos like this, please!!! Loved it.
I am fortunate to own both, I prefer to wear the Nautilus but the Royal oak is my favourite
In this bout the AP takes the PP in looks because I just do not like the oxidized gold on the white dial. If this were blue vs blue, the Nautilus would have my vote for sure.
I still think both of them are too much right now, and the overseas would be my choice. But the bathyscaphe for me will be the ultimate balance of sport and luxury, and at prices approaching 6k pre-owned, it's hard to argue with.
I thought about blue-vs-blue and 5711 vs. 15202. In the end, I wanted to break up the norm a bit, so I went with the summery silver dials. Personally, my money goes towards more interesting watches - especially complications - from less heralded brands and model lines. Pay a $20,000 premium for a used 5711? No thanks. Buy an IWC DaVinci perpetual calendar chronograph for nine grand? That's more my speed.
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Tim
Fantastic video with a lot of specs. I prefer the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak because of the beautiful dial, beautiful bracelet and the beautiful see trough movement in the back with the beautiful automatic gold wheel.
Thanks for watching our Versus series +mena seven !! We're glad to have you around and contributing to the community! It is hard to pick a winner between these two, but we appreciate why you made your choice. AP is known for the quality of their hand finishing, which obviously speaks to you. Thanks again for watching!
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Thoroughly enjoy these comparisons. I like both the watches and genuinely struggle to identify a favourite,it can simply depend on mood. Whilst I know it is not held in the same regard as either of these legends I must confess toy long term crush on the vc overseas!
Another solid Genta designed steel sports watch from the Holy Trinity. Maybe we will do a Versus on that one someday 😉.
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You could get 2 AP Royal Oak watches for the price of 1 Nautilus.
I own a 15202 and chose that over a 5711. I owned the same 15400 being shown and felt it was a bit large for my 7 1/4 wrist and the silverish dial was often hard to read with the hands being similar
Thank you!! Finally! The heavyweight match up!!!!
Haven't started the video but gotta cast my vote in-- RO all day everyday.
PS looking forward to the minute repeaters!
I'm looking forward to the sonneries, too... did you see something that I missed on our website? We have a few minute repeaters of which I'm aware, but sonneries...?
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Tim
Corrected it! Thanks Tim! That's what I meant! Guess I got too excited over there
great review , but please explain the "recess on the crown as countermeasure aginst accidental shearing" -are you talk about the bottom of the crown or rather the "bay"on the right ear where the crown sits?thanks
Both are extraordinary watches, but I prefer the look of the Nautilus. It's really quite beautiful!
Greetings from Vienna
Royal oak silver dial is my favourite watch. It’s a shame that now has been discontinued with new 15500.
I love my 15300, prefer it to the 15400, imo none of the changes were a good thing.
I tried really hard to get a white dial 5711 back in 2013, but came up short.
I now don't have the same desire for one, although the profit would have been nice considering their price now.
Really enjoying these "Versus" videos Tim! I'm with you on this one. Since both of these watches occupy a very luxury space, I hesitate to even think of them as sports models. The Nautilus, with its more wearable dimensions, significantly higher refinement of finishing, and incredible value retention has to take the edge here despite the imposing price tag.
I'd chose the Nautilus for the same reasons. There's more grace to its lines and beauty in its finish. But with 120-meter water resistance, lots of lume, and automatic winding, I don't hesitate to call the 5711/1A a sports watch.
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Tim
Fair enough! Having never had the pleasure of seeing these models in person, I was definitely surprised by the generous lume. All i was thinking is that the qualities that I would personally look for in these watches are not the qualities I would look for in an average "sports" watch. Then again, there's nothing average about either of these incredible brands!
The video that has been anticipated for a while, great reviews Tim!, I prefer a RO over 5711. Anyway what are you going to compare the VC Overseas with?
I'd like to pit an Overseas Chronograph 5500V (Gen-III) against a Nautilus 5980 chronograph. That's my ideal-world scenario at the moment.
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Tim
Hi Tim, in your other videos of the nautilus 5711, the rigid end to end link measures 51-52mm. It differs quite significantly from the 46mm in this video.
I reconsidered how I measured this dimension. If you follow the curve of the bracelet to its flared extreme, you can measure 51-52mm, but I decided after much thought that 51+ didn't really express how this watch wears. I now measure the link that joins the bracelet to the case on each side. A Rolex GMT-Master 116710 wears 51 lug-to-lug and feels it, but the 5711 wears more like a 36mm Datejust (i.e., 44-45mm lug to-lug). The key is that I provide the same wrist shot and wrist size info across all of my videos so that viewers can see what I see and use that - not the raw measurement - as the true model of scale.
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews thanks Tim for the clarification. Great video as always and my choice is the 5711.
Thanks, Peter. The other reason that I changed the measuring standard for my 5711 reviews is that the end-link remains on the watch whether you fit the bracelet to your 5711 or order Patek's swim-friendly rubber strap -- or the dry-only leather accessory strap. The strap has a different profile than the bracelet, but the distance between the end links remain the same.
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Tim
I noticed that people buy the 5711 just to own it but they buy 15400 to really wear it ..
Everyone has their own tastes & preferences. To each their own.
Thanks for watching!
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not fair I wanted Tim to answer :)
Tim typically handles the first 24 hours of comment responses to videos. We are lucky that the volume of comments has become too large for one person to keep up with! Interesting take on the difference between the 2 models. Which dial color would be your preference?
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thanks guys .. I already have the exact 15400 in the video ... and wouldnt mind at ll the 5711 in blue please :)
We currently have it in blue: www.thewatchbox.com/product-category/preowned-watches/?filter_content=5711
Your best one yet, Tim ;)
Thank you, Andre! I get excited to see the comments below these videos each Sunday. Which of these watches would you choose?
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Tim
AP. Look at that bezel. That oozes character!
I'll take one of each please!
Love both! Hard decision. I have the AP. However, the PP is a grail for me. I lost the opportunity at buying one at MSRP a few years back. Now it is probably impossible to get from an AD. I feel the PP is a much better investment and i suspect thats part of its popularity and allure. I am drawn to its impeccably finished movement. Will continue looking for one. Loved the video.
For "Budget Boys" like me, these pieces are unattainable. Lol. The music, the content, the knowledge...exceptional!
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Thanks for watching! If nothing else, it's entertainment. And if dreams come true, you'll be able to make the decision down the road since you've seen the video. I'm starting to plan an "affordable watch" Versus, so I'm open to suggestions.
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Tim
AP Royal Oak: THE WATCH
I’m going to have to continue to “slum it” with my Rolex.
I often wear a Swatch Sistem51 in neon green. All interesting watches are fun to wear.
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Tim
evvignes That made me smile! (Says he typing on his phone wearing an Orient...).
I love both although I’d get the Patek 5712 instead of the the 5711.
Thanks for this video. When I see what Maurice Lacroix offers with the new Aikon automatic for under $2k, I find these two “fashionably” overpriced now.
Got both and love both. Will never sell either.
That's the best solution! Wear them both in good times and great health!
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Tim
Love this video
When will AP increase the water resistance to 100+ meters?
Whats that sunglasses for?
Nautilus
Great Show Tim, thanks again for the great content. That's the clash of the Titans, two revolutionary designs from Gerald Genta, AP Royal Oak is really hot at the moment, but the Nautilus just has that special something that makes me choose it 9 out 10 times. I think that the Royal Oak might be the best sports watch on the market, but i choose that Nautilus for me.
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Abdul
Thanks, Abdul! You and I are on the same page. There's a grace to the Nautilus that's lacking in the 15400. The 15202 has it, but that watch is too different from the 5711 to make a direct comparison.
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Tim
What planet are you on, he’s talking absolute bollocks.
What’s the song you play in the background?
What does power reserve mean?
Love this kind of new content
It's a flat-out sprint to assemble one of these each week alongside my broadcasts and 30 conventional videos, but the effort is worth it. I couldn't be more pleased by the reception that this series has received.
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Tim
thanks for the comparision
Not a problem at all, thanks for watching Pat!
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Hi Tim
Patek guarantees -3/+2 sec on the nautilus
What about the Royal Oak ?
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2x RO for sure
So far, the Royal Oak is winning the comments thread!
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Tim
The only reason to buy the Patek is if you get it new for about 30 000 USD. Then you can sell it used for 50 000 USD; buy the AP for around 20 000 USD and keep the money you started with, the 30 000 USD.
Yeah, you could get a used 15400 and a 15202 for used 5711 money. That's tough to debate unless you really love the 5711 more than any Royal Oak.
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Tim
AP better win, since the Royal Oak line is the only thing they have that most collectors want. Their other designs aren't nearly as coveted as just about everything else in the PP catalog.
Solid point there!
AP's Royal Oak line is their sole crown jewel, as where Patek Philippe has many designs that are highly sought after.
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Tim, great video. If you had the option of the Ceramic Daytona white dial and the Patek Nautilus 5711 white dial. Either would be your one and only watch to wear each day (and you could get either at retail price, which would you go for and why?
For a daily go for the Ceramic Daytona. The Nautilus is a scratch magnet.
As much as I like the Nautilus, at today's secondary market values, i can attain a "more classical" complicated Patek for similar money that would tick all the collecting boxes and would be a more satisfying watch for me in the long run - investment value aside.
First glance, I like the RO better, the dial textures and shape are more attractive. The slim lines of the case add to the appeal. With a second look, the readability of the Nautilus is easier on the eyes, and I would be entranced at the movement for days at a time. It comes down to how it wears, and the RO is too big for my thin wrists, and the Nautilus sits perfectly. If I had to choose, it would be the Nautilus.
Nautilus . Cant even read the RO, let alone the Lug2lug meas... Shame the Nautilus is that expensive . Id probably go for a pre owned Aquanaut given the choice of the 3. As always fantastic vid. I look forwards to these now Sunday mornings .
This Oak is just a bit too large for me, too. Price no object - and that's how I chose - the Nautilus takes it from my perspective. A pre-owned 5167A is a great choice - as is the underrated Overseas Auto Gen-3.
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Tim
Great video Tim. I look forward to these every Sunday.
Two questions came to mind based on your video.
1) Which is more important with regards to movement toughness: full balance bridge or free sprung balance?
2) How would you compare these two bracelets comfort and toughness to an X71?
Thank you!
1) Full balance bridge; the mobile stud index is a risk to shift under shock. The bridge reduces the risk of damaging the balance staff whereas the free-sprung balance generally serves to avoid a timing change after a shock.
2) The X71 is comfortable but far more massive. The X71 has better wrist aeration qualities than these, but the Nautilus and AP bracelets offer silken comfort that only thinner and smaller links can provide. It's like President vs. Oyster bracelet. The X71 is more durable than either of these PP and AP bands, however.
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Tim
Thank you , Tim!
So the full balance bridge reduces the chances of the mobile stud index shifting and thus damaging the balance staff?
The balance bridge helps to attenuate the shock that would fracture the staff. The mobile index is something watchmakers move back and forth to change the rate of the watch: a free-sprung system does not have this mobile index, so there's no danger of a shock moving the timing regulator. Free-sprung doesn't have anything to do with saving the balance staff; it prevents a permanent timing change if the watch is shocked.
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Tim
The free-sprung balance is about maintaining the accuracy of the movement under shock. The full balance bridge is about maintaining the structural integrity of movement (in this case the balance staff) under shock. I see why you ranked maintaining physical integrity (which a full balance bridge provides) ahead of the accuracy of the moovement (which the free-sprung balance maintains). Thank you, Tim.
Cool -- any time!
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Tim
I can't understand what you're saying in some parts of the video. 5:29 - something something bridge bevels?
Another great review
Thank you, Russell! There's more to come, and next week's Versus already is in production.
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Tim
AP Royal Oak this is the watch that got me into watches.
What’s the name of the song? I can’t be the only one who wants to know
Gotta go with the Oak
Nah, definitely the nautilus
Patek all the way. Timeless watch manufacturer dated back in 1839. You wear the history, elegance, beauty and not only the watch. !!..
The name Patek send an awe to anyone, AP in 100y maybe. 😅
Owned a RO, have tried on a 5712. Patek hands down, and it's not even close.
To me Nautilus is THE grail watch to own... even at 50k it’s a way better investment than the AP...
And the Nautilus is more elegant.
If you had to own 3 watches it would be submariner, Daytona ceramic and finally the blue 5711 Nautilus.
Stainless Steel pretty nice trio. I’d toss the sub for something else but I’m with ya
I think ceramic daytonas are somewhat trashy looking. Zenith Daytona is where its at.
RO with sharp lines is for younger more dynamic people, Nautilus more for people that lost most energy in life and are on the downhill part of life.
5726/1a-010 and 15202IP are best.
Hi Tim, greeting from China, I like ur comment on watches, one of my favorate channel, expect this comparsion for a while, I own 15202 and 5990 , both have difference with this particular competition, my choice would be 15400 against 5711,both are positioned basic sport watch where ap shows more original to Genta's design, and i like the look much better in person. If it comes to chronograph then i prefer ch CH 28-520 over ap, thank u again and keep up with good work！ br.
Hi Zhang, thank you for this kind response! Your 15202 and 5990 are spectacular watches, and you have superb taste in models. I am a huge fan of both watches. The 15400 is a wonderful watch, and it's even better due to the fairly large (4) range of dials offered compared to the steel Patek (2 dials).
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Tim
WatchBox Reviews hi Tim, very curious to know ur thought about 5980a vs 5990a, in terms of retain their value. I understand they are in different life cycle but i think comparison would be very interesting. Thanks
For the white dial variation I will pick the royal oak any day !
Great video, my brother will become 40 next year and I will probably buy him the ap
It's a great choice, no doubt. I cannot fathom that anyone would be less than thrilled to receive the 15400. Which dial choice would you make? The four options that AP offers does give buyers more flexibility than Patek's binary silver/blue choice with the 5711/1A.
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Tim
I have them both my Royal Oak is a 15500 it is a hands down better watch than my nautilus
you have to compare between 15202(JUMBO) and 5711 rather than 15400.
That Eric Clapton reference was magnificent
Random question: some talk going on about ap 15400 being discontinued soon.
Any info you can share with us about potential replacement? If its true.
Thanks alot.
yenaibi it has been replaced by 15500. But in my opinion it’s not elegat as the 15400. Moreover the silver dial has been discontinued
i'm new to this. I know that these level of luxury watches hold their value pretty good when ur reselling it. I just dont get it why pre-owned watches are priced twice as much as the new ones as shown in the beginning of the video. can someone enlighten me on this matter? thanks
Supply is very restricted for these models, and they are very difficult to obtain new at retail price - which has caused prices on the secondary market to skyrocket. Thanks for watching and commenting!
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well that makes sense. thanks for the response! keep up the good content :)
Thanks for your support!
Superb review, I give the AP the win here as the Patek in white just isn’t aesthetically appealing. And dude...ditch the sunglasses.
10:42 - it’s Royal Oak, not Royal Oak Offshore
I’m a RO fan and my collection will not be complete without one. Looking at next year around this time. FYI, the nautilus was originally designed for women.
Is it just me or is the dial printing on the AP not as crisp as it should be at that price point is my expectations to high
Perhaps the only instance in which I would choice something other than a Patek. The AP Royal Oak is the original and the Nautilus is little more than an homage (aka "rip off".) It took me quite a number of years to warm up to the Royal Oak, but now, if I could go back in time to the late 70s or early 80s, one of the first things I'd do is buy a Royal Oak (or perhaps two).
The white nautilus is way better, simplistic and absolute quality without being too flashy