Vacheron Constantin Overseas vs Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A-010 vs 4500V/110A-B128
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Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A-010 vs Vacheron Constantin Overseas Automatic 4500V/110A-B128 is a marquee battle of Geneva-based horological heavy hitters. Few luxury watch brands carry the prestige and history or command the same degree of watch collector reverence than Patek Philippe and Vacheron Constantin. Patek Philippe Nautilus versus Vacheron Constantin Overseas starts now.
Patek Philippe’s Nautilus 5711 launched at Baselworld 2006. Technically, this model remains the “30th anniversary” Nautilus and the modern equivalent of the original Gerald Genta/Patek Philippe reference 3700 “jumbo.” At 40mm, the stainless steel Nautilus automatic is anything but a jumbo by modern watch standards, but it cuts a striking figure on even the largest wrists. Patek Philippe’s stainless steel bracelet and secure deployant clasp feature the same immaculate level of finish and intricate detail seen on the case of the Nautilys.
The blue gradient dial of the 5711 is legendary, and this Nautilus doesn’t disappoint; its horizontal striations, crisp spectrum of blue tones, and white gold dial furniture are the stuff of legend. Patek includes white gold hands, a jump date, and minimal dial text to mar the watch face. Super Luminova paint is employed to keep the Nautilus legible by night. A screw down crown and 120-meter water resistance keep the dial in Geneva-grade trim regardless of the owner’s aquatic adventures.
A Patek Philippe automatic caliber 324 powers this iconic sports watch. The 324’s 35-45 hour power reserve is adequate, but its finish is sensational. Hand-applied finishing flourishes includes cotes de Geneve, mirrored anglage (chamfering), two different sizes of overlapping perlage (engine turning), and black polished screws with chamfered slots. A Gyromax free sprung balance permits precise regulation in six positions, and a Patek Philippe Siloxi silicon hairspring helps to keep magnetism at bay. The presence of a Patek Philippe seal indicates timing precision of -3/+2 seconds per day or better.
Vacheron Constantin’s Overseas Automatic has evolved in quantum leaps since the original 1996 model. The debut model was well-crafted but almost quaint; the generation 3 Vacheron Overseas Automatic is built to compete with not only the Nautilus and the Aquanaut but also with the mighty Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore.
Vacheron’s 41mm stainless steel case draws heavily on previous Overseas design conventions and the historical touchstone of the entire series, the 1977 Vacheron Constantin 222. A cushion case profile, satin steel grain, polished steel highlights, and a prominent bezel are the salient features. The crown is a screw-down unit, and the Overseas Auto boasts 150-meter water resistance; for good measure, a paramagnetic ring surrounds the movement and imbues the watch with 25,000 ampere/meter antimagnetic shielding.
A full stainless steel bracelet is included with the steel Overseas Automatic, but the watch also includes both rubber and leather factory straps in a blue color that’s perfectly keyed to the dial. A steel deployant clasp is included with the two accessory straps, and a quick release system permits swapping of straps and bracelet without need for tools. For good measure, the Overseas bracelet makes all links removable or precise sizing.
If FP Journe’s “Cadraniers de Geneve” dial factory were involved with the production of this Vacheron Constantin Overseas dial, it would surprise exactly zero owners of VC’s signature sports watch. This Overseas sports a blue dial that is at once glossy, bottomless, iridescent, and beaming with a mirrored radiance in even the most subdued lighting. While the dial of the Nautilus is a time tested classic, Vacheron’s dial might be a legend in the making. White gold hands, and hour indices keep the quality of dial furniture high, and a jump date matches the utility of the 5711.
Inside the steel case, a Vacheron Constantin manufacture caliber 5100 automatic movement keeps the beat at 28,800. This 37-jewel movement is both the first in-house caliber to grace a Vacheron Overseas and the first Overseas caliber to boast a Geneva Hallmark (Poincon de Geneve). A power reserve of 60 hours comfortably surpasses the modest autonomy of the Nautilus. The sapphire display case back represents the first of its kind in an Overseas watch.
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The Patek looks like a 1960's television.
But it worth more money
with the ever same boring series. Three hands running in circles.
@@lowersaxon just like VC
Both are a beauty. No wrong choice. If I could only choose 1 it would be the Vacheron
The VC with its 2 extra straps and quick release system would make a great do everything watch. You wouldn’t need anything else
"You can go into a boutique and buy it" ...
Things can change. The Overseas, especially the blue dial, is hardly available any more. Waiting lists are growing and second-hand prices are exploding. VC is part of this unavailable Trinity today. What a watch !! What a house, 260 years of history. I want to say finally, the deserved intention is there! Magnificent. The comparison confirms this even more.
The VC blows the Patek away. It’s much more beautiful design.
Overseas makes the nautilus looks so old school
I’m going all the way with the Vacheron here. It is far more attractive and its engineering innards are at least as good as Patek if not better. When you factor in the price differential it’s absolutely no contest here. The Nautilus simply is NOT worth the ridiculous prices being asked for it.
By comparison to today's prices, January 2019 prices almost seem reasonable. 2019 was still absurd but comparatively..
The VC for me
The VC is such a royalty watch. It's whole design just screams European artistry. So utterly identifiable but ironically understated. It's the watch a modern Knight should wear.
Exactly. I was begining to think that no one sees it as i do.
How about an IWC?
If someone gave me the 5711, I’d sell it and buy a Overseas AND a Submariner.
really sad because these days i think the steel 5711 is now selling for like 70k??? Lmao you could buy a steel overseas (20k), royal oak (20k), AND a white gold daytona (30k)
Me too
Me too man. I am at early 30s right now and maybe I am too young to appreciate 5711. If I have the luxury to buy 5711 I can just save a little bit more to purchase a platinum Daytona
So it was you who stole my Nautilus sales pitch and VC + Rolex boutique orders when I wasn’t looking 😂
I can tell as I have the VC Overseas. It’s incredible precise, less than 1 sec per day. So it wins easily over the PP. On top Tim forgot to mention the very clever 3 position multi/adjustment of the metallic bracelet. Great review as usual of two magnificent watches!
yeah that little extension on the bracelet is awesome during the summer.
I'd take that Overseas every day of the week over the Nautilus.
The Overseas for me. Absolutely stunning.
Surprised no-one has mentioned the clasp. I owned the nautilus for 10 years. The clasp is sh*t for a sports watch. I spent many, many hours putting it back on.just kept popping open.
I sold the 5711/1a and bought the blue overseas. Double folding clasp, beautiful - has never come off. Solid, fantastic man's sports watch.
p.s whomever you are , thanks for buying my nautilus for 3x what I paid for it!
Clearly without the hype its VC 👏🏼
For me, it's no contest: The Vacheron wins hands-down. Great dial design and sharper hands,. It shows the time--to the minute and second--much more emphatically than the Patek--at least in the light, when you don't need the lume.
I recently added the VC Gen 3 Chrono in blue to my collection, and I love it. Your reviews are always so detailed, but Inhave noticed that even in your other Overseas review, you didnt mention the two micro adjustments in the bracelet when talking about how sizeable it is. Did you miss them?
This Vacheron-Constantin is seriously knockout nice. The overall design and the deep blue colour of the face, knockout.
For me it’s the VC hands down objectively as the better watch. Even though Patek claims to have finishing standards high enough for the current Geneva, seal, Vacheron actually bears the seal.... Vacheron is also roughly 100 years older and has been in continuous business since 1755. The are the "Father" position of the Holy Trinity, while Patek is "The Son"...
Thanks Tim. This inspired me to visit the VC boutique. The overseas is gorgeous in the flesh and has its worldtimer and chronograph cousins as alternative choices.
VC Overseas. I would get one today if there was no wait. VC boutique wants a 40% down payment to be put on the list with no exact timeframe to when you will receive your watch. Also, there is no way to get your money back. The boutique told me it’s up to the discretion of the Boutique Manager. I’m not feeling that especially for a watch and one I have not even seen in person yet. You don’t have to put down that much to order a car! Also, not giving you my money and then if the watch does not come for a while, I can’t even get my money back. So I will wait until they are available again.
The VC looks stunning. The PP looks very old fashion
both would be in my collection but the Vacheron would get more wear time for diversity for different bracelet option.That said Vacheron is way worth its money.
What a VS, i would pick the Patek if money was no option, but realistically speaking i would take the VC 9 times out of 10.
If they were both at list and resale not a factor, PP every time for me too, but at realistic going rates, you could actually get THREE Overseas for one Nautilus! I would get a 15202 + an Overseas instead of the Nautilus!
9 x 3 then you got 27 nice VC time piece.
@@dereksbooks overseas auto+royal oak self winding chrono(ghost)
Just come across this vid. The days of buying the Overseas from the window have long since passed.
I prefer the Vacheron Constantin Overseas instead of the Patek Philippe. The Vacheron Constantin is more beautiful then the Patek Philippe. I like the Vacheron Constantin Maltese cross case, Maltese cross quick release bracelet with screws and the double pusher clapse. I like VC gorgeous blue dial and the display case back showing the awesome rotor with the sun symbol. Vacheron Constantin give one leather strap and one rubber strap with the Overseas.
I purchased my 5711 almost 20 years ago so no hype for me. I would definitely go for the VC to switch it up a bit.
Hated the VC when I first lay eye on it some Month back.....boy was i wrong, this might be the king of tool watches within a reasonable money frame
I adore the Overseas, especially with the new one basically achieving the looks of the Nautilus and the Aquanaut in one. Wish there was an Overseas with a mix of arabic numerals and index hour markers.
VC is much better in its execution. Dial is more beautiful and the quick release lug system - brilliant.
In keeping with the concept of “Overseas”, which eludes to it being a travel watch, I really wished VC would have done it as a GMT watch, preferably utilizing screw down push buttons, one for “+” and one for “-“, for the 12 hour hand adjustment a la UN Travel Time style. They could have utilized a 24 hour scale in lieu of the outer peripheral printing with sub-minute indices (which is unnecessary in a non-chronograph anyway). We really need “traveler’s watches” to be GMT’s. A deep red hand against that deep blue dial would be most excellent.
Sincerely, a professional traveler!
Okay, its March 2021 and I'm watching this video for the first time, yes I know I should have watched this 2 years ago but high end watches weren't on my radar at the time but now they are. So after watching the video for 20 seconds I already know that an Overseas is a better watch to get, that Nautilus is just so drab and boring, no wonder PP are giving the watch a revamp is needs it so so badly. VC for the win. Now I had better see the rest of the video.
I am waiting for my Overseas. It's coming in November, price in Europe 21,000 EUR. Originally, I wanted Royal Oak 15202ST, buy they said to me I need to buy a tourbillon first. I asked for Nautilus 5711/1A they told 12 years waiting list and waiting list is closed. So I went to Chrono24 I found a brand new Royal Oak for 45,000 EUR and brand new 5711/A for 58,000 EUR. So I did some thinking, Overseas is more beautiful, stunning dial, 150 meters WR, and all in-house + bullshit Geneva seal just like Patek, and I can have it in November. Yeah, I will go with Vacheron. On top of that Vacheron has the most beautiful name in business.
I have small wrists so the Patek works better for me. Even if that weren't the case, the Patek is a much more beautiful and unique design. It's iconic case and shape really differentiates it from all other watches. It oozes class and has so much finesse. The VC is a great watch too. The only real solution would be to work harder and buy both. Get the VC first to hold you over while you sit on an imaginary 5 year waitlist for the Patek.
The VC's lacquered dial was changed to sunburst after 2019. It is not the original lovely dial as most people think. Side by side there are differences. What a shame...
All the sudden, 5711 is $120k plus, and 4500 blue is $40k + now (15500 is $50k plus as well) 🙄
Just two year, in the video, 4500V was 17k used, 5711 was 50k used... Both 250% increased!
Tim, it’s not even close. The VC is a killer!
Vacheron Constantin any day, every day over the PP 5711 and/or AP Royal Oak
I don't like the Nautilus personally but this is like comparing Apple stock in 2007 versus Blackberry stock
I have a VCO-black and a PP Nautilus (5726)-white. First, let’s get the status thing out of the way; in all my many years of wearing high end horology not a single person has ever commented on one of my watches. I think to 99% of the population watches are invisible (not talking about thieves) and as such really are only for the wearer’s personal enjoyment IMO. Both are gorgeous for different reasons: one is iconic and the other has such a sublime beauty to all its details that I’d say they are equal but different. The technology is also equivalent enough that it does not matter. Where I think the VCO shines is versatility. Now I;’23 the 5711 is asking over $100K…insane that people pay that when they only thing driving that price is Instagram, Hip Hop culture, and a bunch of weak willed wannabes. Will you take the Nautilus on vacation, especially if going out on the ocean or hitting the beach? You going to leave that in the hotel safe? What if on vacation you are planning a couple nice dressy dinners or gala events? The VCO is the hands down winner for ease of use, breadth of use, and given its value (while still very very expensive) can still be used as a watch and not sweat every decision of what you are doing that day. Rolling off the beach or been sailing but then getting ready for a gala event that evening? Easy, pop off the steel bracelet or rubber band, wash the watch in warm soapy water and then pop on the leather strap and you are good to go for the evening.
VCO is pure class in every color dial and wins for me as the best overall watch in the world, bar none, including the legendary Patek.
Look wise.... Overseas looks better... But I'd take both of them 😎
At this level, both watches are technically excellent, but the VC just looks better.
Hey Tim, take a look at the thumbnail pic and then see what happens once the video starts. For some reason, and only recently, your camera isn’t really picking up colors very well. I don’t know if it’s lighting (maybe a higher color temperature would be better) or if it’s recent camera acquisition. That spectacular blue dial on the Overseas looks more like a dull gray/black on the video. I just figured I’d point that out because we’re missing out on colors.
The Nautilus just seems to be so over priced,VC looks so much nicer
Man that Overseas, any day, all day
Overseas is in another galaxy when it comes to looks. My 8$ weight scale has the same texture as the Nautilus, which makes it even worse. AP/VC>PP imo, considering that all of them are more or less the same quality on the inside.
Lange>Patek=VC>AP.
AP has nothing to offer other than the Royal oak
The PF Nautilus is worth double if triple the price of the VC Oversea and will continue to go up in value. You could purchase the Nautilus sell it and purchase a few VC if you really wanted to.
Never understood the Nautilus, or the Royal Oak, for that matter. The OS is the only one that grew on me and provoked any sort of emotion, the dial is subtly stunning. The Nautilus is boring.
I would purchase the VC Overseas any day, on top of that i would get a Girard Perregaux Laureato as well. That would be my combo
👍🏼 for the GP
try the Piaget polo S on a blue leather strap. stunning and unique looks
I love my VC dual time overseas (black face). Looked at the Patek.....but the VC won. No regrets.
I agree you.
With all those advantages VC got vs Patek, and with a $10,000 lower retail price, you already know who's the winner.
I'd go for VC. Patek looks dull compared to it. VC has stunning dial, simpler shapes of the case and bezel, therefore to me it's more elegant than PP. VC's movement is more interesting too in my opinion.
I’d say someone who genuinely appreciates watches and looks beyond the outside, the winner is the Overseas.
For the majority however, the Nautilus will win as they buy watches based on hype and what others think of them
Overseas. But with white-silver or brown dial. The nautilus is insanely expensive and the movement works at 3 hz instead of vacheron at 4 hz. Also the clasp of vacheron is safer.
The VC all the way, the Nautilus looks old and is overpriced. The value of the watch in the future is uncertain for any brand. The dial and detail for VC is much more impressive, the blue dial is impressive. Thank you, Tim, for the review, awesome job as usual.
I own both and both are superb. No sense arguing. If you can afford one, you problaly can afford both.
No more walking into a boutique buying the VC Blue dial on demand anymore
@@theterriblepuddle1830 Now boutique only, can't get the 5711 anymore and collectors have woken up to the awesomeness of the overseas.
The dial on that VC 🤤
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Either would be absolutely fine but the VC appeals because it's a realistic possible purchase . I'd actually go a little older and affordable but thats the point. Thats an option! Well until some mug on the red carpet realizes that the VC is in the same league as the PP and makes it the next fashion.
Overseas my dream watch 😍
Hi Tim,
I have a question concerning the Overseas. You said in this video that from end link to end link the measurement is 55.3 mm. But in your other 2 Overseas videos you said the end link to end link is 57.6 mm and 56.5 mm. That's a big difference. Could you please double-check and let me know which of the three measurements is correct? Thanks ;-)
I love your channel. Keep up the great work!
T-
VC and THANK YOU TIM FOR THIS REVIEW!!!!!!
Huge miss is that the VC has sliding micro-adjustment while the Patek has nothing
Overseas
Well done. I think the 2113 beats them both.
Tf is 2113?
VC is beautiful but if I'm paying this kind of money I dont want it to sink in value as soon as I've bought it. A stainless steel blue Nautilus, blue Royal Oak, or steel Daytona will all hold and increase their value if you can beat the waiting list. VC is beautiful but it just isn't as instantly recognisable as a blue Nautilus, Royal Oak, Hulk, Batman etc. and so there is less demand if you ever need to sell.
The date in Overseas is too small....🙄🙄🙄
It seems that in the Nautilus the indexes at 12 are not even aligned; this is the third time that I see this defect appear on the Nautilus (and I have seen many images of it). How is this even possible???
With hand placed indexes this is always possible, but for the price of a Nautilus I would expect them to be straight.
I like both equally but Overseas was available at retail and I could only afford one 🙂
Does the geneva seal on the VC case not mean that it is entirely hand finished so would be impossible to have less hand finishing than the Patek - that does not carry the seal?
PP no longer pays its dues to get the seal. It was stated seal standards weren’t high enough for them so they ceased affiliation.
@@jordanfriedman2134 That is indeed what PP said, but does not necessarily mean is true. Without any shadow of a doubt and not many would argue otherwise, the Overseas case and bracelet is of a higher level of manufacture to the PP. Even Rolex, the king of lazy create better bracelets than PP. That is the weakest part of a Patek. Patek dress watches are wonderful, but the Nauti is lacking in some areas. Dont get me wrong I like Patek and am on waiting list myself, but I bought the Overseas first as VC are better pretty much across the board. All of these points are subjective and is just my take on it based upon the things that I look for in a watch, I know that this doesn't make it true for all people of course. I think what most would agree on though is these are both beautiful watches and anybody would be delighted to possess either :)
Based on design only I will take VC. But it will be better if in smaller case. I have the older VC in 37mm.
The VC wins (more elegant)
I would take the Vacheron
Overseas for me please 🤭🥇🏆
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PP seems to be resting on its laurels. While the design is iconic, it’s movement and mechanics seem to be getting long in the tooth.
The VC this time and all the time. I'm just too practical a person for the PP.
I'm partial to the Nautilus myself, to be honest. If only I had the means!
I understand PP is extraordinary and totally mind-blowing manufacture, but my favorite is VC all the time. I guess PP is over branding and making the products too expensive. VC is also not cheap, but more reachable and especially the Overseas 3rd Gen is something more than PP Nautilus IMAO. again, PP is always super. I just like VC more than others. Probably the history! boys like history :D
You know Tim it's funny how VC was onto something with the grande date versions of the overseas which I feel is now lost. On this occasion the 5711 is the more understated & therefore more versatile. This version of the VC is too shouty & dare I say it, brash. The model line feels like it's lost its way & doesn't quite know how to properly market itself. That 4400E you reviewed recently is proper VC 👍🏻
I'll happily take the Nautilus.
For me it’s the Patek, the Vacheron is rather ordinary looking, even though I do like the luminous blue finish of the dial and the easily removable bracelet. Which I think is more stylish than the watch itself. I am surprised at the lack of hacking seconds on both of these very pricey watches though.
Let's see...one could buy about four or five of the VCs at grey market pricing for the street price of the blue dial Patek, right? Frankly, even at the same price (and if I had to keep the watch and never re-sell), I would take the VC. If someone gave me the Patek without the "no selling" clause, I would get rid of it ASAP, buy the VC....and a YG Rolex President AND also irresponsibly take a grey market Pepsi for about $19K. I would likely also have enough change to take my family on a nice two week European vacation. Think about that for a minute. That's just how nutty the market for the blue dial Nautilus is.
Let’s be honest people agree and I mean every single one of you would take the Nautilis because it is so much more valuable and iconic so argue all you want the guys that say we overseas are the ones that will never be offered the models
Hi Tim,
Can you tell me please why watches of this class don't have a hacking second?
Patek believes from a technical standpoint that stopping the balance introduces rate variation... I don't know if this is the case, but this is what PP Geneve told me when I asked them the same question. They are very romantic in my opinion, they don't like the idea that you can stop the movement. I think the movement should be stop when it runs out power. It's just a traditional way of doing things. But I think 5170 chronograph has hacking second, right Tim? I could be wrong.
49fiori True. As I understand, all manual chronograph from Patek have hacking second ( or stop second mechanism)
@@49fiori Thank you for you reply.
@@49fiori Rate variation? What difference is a tiny bit of rate variation if you can't synchronize the seconds-hand at all!?
Love the Overseas in general, but if price is no concern the PP is my pick.
That said, on paper, the VC is objectively better in nearly every way.
I will.choose one that has a better resale value.
Just wish the VC didn't have the outer ring with the 1/5 seconds on it. Really not sure why that's there. Spoils the watch for me.
You'd need to see it in action to appreciate it . It works as the second hand tracks beautifully in motion.
Winner: VC
Not a bad pick!
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Tim crushed this Versus. I prefer the Nautilus. I heard Gérald C. Genta designed the watch for women, is that true Tim?
The Overseas case looks pregnant/bloated to me...I wish it had the 222's shape. Also the Overseas was just designed from the ground up and the best they can do is mobile stud index (no free sprung balance), 1/2 bridge (not full), and a ferris ring (no silicon)? The Nautilus is older and has more technology then the Overseas. Vacheron focused too much on "show" (3 straps, pretty dial) and not enough on "go" (movement toughness, brighter lume...the difference between 120m and 150 water resistance is academic).
Am I mistaken or does the Overseas clasp also feature a tool-less micro adjustment on each side of the clasp? I've noticed it before, but never seen it demonstrated nor even mentioned. But always a significant feature... unsure why it would never be mentioned.
In fact it is true and for me and many people it's very important feature, especially when flying. It's "only" 2+2 mm but usually this is enough to make difference. But Nautilus' status is quite handy when traveling as well. It can open doors and give comforts for free that Overseas just isn't capable 😉
Love it on mine, pull out one side and get 2mm, pull out both get 4mm total. Push in and pull out while on the wrist, easy and nice. Tim missed that feature in the comparison for sure.
Yes, a nice feature but never mentioned or shown... 🤔
Yup it is a really handy feature. It is a bit hidden if you don't know about it though. I didnt discover it until a week after buying my VC. Features like that are great in the summer when your wrist can swell in the heat
None of them look striking compared to a stylish Cartier tank, gorgeous Breguet classic or the unique JLC Reverso. But Tim is a sweet talker!
Tim I’m start searching for VC o purchase some good model
Vacheron has a lot of hashmarks on the dial for a non-chronograph
Those tiny ones show the actual ticks of the seconds arm.
VC is the best.
We shall all go for VC as it's so beautiful
(so that I can have better chance on the 5711 :) )
VC is such a beauty
I like the VC overall but as with many watches, the PP would probably end up on my wrist due to the smaller size if one of these two had to grace my wrist ;)
Does the lack of hacking not bother anyone that has purchased either of these pieces?
In this case, Vacheron Constantin.
Have to this VC
I'll take the nautilus, its a legend and would be my only watch, that overseas is to big, 40 or 39 would be a winner,
VC overseas also comes in 39 mm in diameter (instead of 41 mm) and it's very slim.. This model is called Ultra-Thin, it's more expensive than the regular overseas shown in the video.
I am sticking with Vacheron.