Audemars Piguet Royal Oak vs Patek Philippe Nautilus | Watchfinder & Co.
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- Audemars Piguet Royal Oak vs Patek Philippe Nautilus, a question that begins by talking about the wave of quartz watches that hit the west in the 1970s, but it's in the aftermath that things really get interesting. With established watch brands crumbling left, right and centre, unable to compete with the prices of their eastern counterparts, the mechanical watch industry was forced to pivot, to realign its business objectives into something that would keep it alive. What followed was a move so bold and so risky it should never have worked. What resulted was the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak and the Patek Philippe Nautilus.
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Love how you talk about these 2 watches. I own both and they're both works of art for different reasons. AP Royal oak is for the man who wears jeans t-shirt and a sports jacket. Nautilus feels more at home in a suit and matching cufflinks. One a oil billionaires watch, the other a billionaire ceo of fortune 500 company. It's world's apart and yet the same. One thing it does tell you when you see 1 of the 2 in a meeting, it says "I'm here to make money"
I am 19, a college student. And i have a long way to go before I’ll be able to purchase this. But still im looking at them & stressing hard over which one would i choose 😂
Buy a seiko 5 snkk52 till then maybe
Soo accurate
@@raghavmaken6549 what else can be bought??
Adam Limalia there was a silver version of that watch but i think its discontinued now, I believe it’s extremely hard to get another alternative at that price with the in house precise automatic movement that seiko offers.
@@jeanraspail2979 Getting one will be a non issue once a new economic recession comes
The Patek is more luxurious and classy, while the AP is more masculine and rugged. I prefer the AP personally, but they are both beautiful and timeless watches.
The patek Is for the women
@@XFHU lool funniest thing i heard
btw bro Patek Philipe AP and Vacheron are holy trinity of watch making
@@javokhirbekerkinov3239 😂 actually the first release of the nautilus was designed for women, only later they made it bigger for men, still a bit effeminate
@@XFHU oh sorry i thought you meant generally Patek Philippe is for woman haha
Fine lesson on the history of art, design, trade, industry... philosophy even. Well done ! Well done !!!
One of the best videos about these two icons of the watch industry that I have ever seen. Straight to the point and with all the information that really matter about these two creations of Genta, who in my humble opinion, reached the pinacle of his watch design with these two holy grails for so many watch collectors. Well done, Watchfinder. Your videos are pure joy to watch.
The Nautilus is, in my opinion the best watch to ever be designed. There is something about that simplicity that just commands respect.
Totally agree!
Less is more.
Ahmed Elnaggar C ttttt
Andrew Chrysostom ?
Mashoto Shaku both watches are dope.
The Nautilus is one of my favourite designs of that era. Simple, elegant and yet distinctive.
Patek > AP
Nautilus < Royal Oak
I would take the Royal Oak even if I like Patek more! :)
Regelwerke 93 I'll take both, eventhough I don't like neither of them
@@bubu-tk2sb I'd .. take none, since I don't like 'em as well.
I like both, but the Patek is a nicer looking watch (especially around the crown) and I prefer their movement too. Both quality pieces.
Didn't realize how true this was for me until I saw them side by side in the thumbnail. Although both have charm.
Too expensive for you.
Another joy to look and listen to. These watches represent a philosophy I hate, an object made to be expensive and bought by people BECAUSE it's expensive to show the world you can afford something waaaaay overpriced for what it is.
Now with that said, I would still buy them if I could afford them, only for a different reason than what their initial idea was, because they are STUNNING!!! When it comes to choosing between the 2, I simply couldn't decide, one second I love the AP more, yet a couple of minutes later the PP hinged case amazes me. To he honest, if I could afford one, it would most likely mean I can afford both, so I wouldn't choose, but rather get both 😊
Your second sentence is the definition of the term "Veblen Good". Which is exactly what those watches are.
It's better to buy a fake one, that's what I did, got a fake APRO with eta movement (better than in-house movements imo)
I did not buy it to show off or as a status symbol, but because I like the design of Royal oak it's very beautiful, and where I live no one even knows what's an AP or any other brand
Watch Geek I think theyre freaking ugly
Watch Geek If you were to buy these watches for what they are worth they would be much less expensive than they are, because a huge portion of the price tag you're paying for the brand|name...
Brenda princesa Lindaa unfortunately it's impossible to buy them at a price they are actually worth, as demand rises the price, so as long as people are buying them at these prices THAT is their "real" value :)
I️ love Patek BUT comparing these two watches the AP looks more balanced and overall more appealing to me
Torsten Dimpflmeier shit watches looks like 10€ casio
The ap looks like a prototype
Steel steel steel everywhere. Where is luxury. People got lost in the marketing. They are not made of pure gold, diamonds, or some rare metal from other planets. Whats the deal here.
@@machaineyoutubeaxel Actually The Casio A158WA-1 has the bracelet inspired by the Nautilus apparently. lol
@@skyhigh9474 Exquisite finishing and craftsmanship
When I first got into watches I was really into and the Royal Oak. Nowadays, I think the Nautilus is much more beautiful than the Royal Oak.
Really I'm the exact opposite. I first loved the Nautilus then shifted over to the Royal Oak. Don't get me wrong I still find both of them beautiful, I own both and love them but I've just found that the Royal Oak fits me better. My style and personality that is but I'd still never sell either. One is not lesser than the other just made for a different style and people. Not to mention that the Royal Oak was about 20 grand. The Nautilus... well it's much more and had a several year waiting list.
Aiden Brantley Well I am jealous! I’m just starting out on this journey and don’t have anywhere near the amount of money it would take to buy either one. I think the Nautilus reads as a more versatile watch, blurring the lines of sporty and dressy while the Royal Oak line is more unapologetic in its sportiness. I definitely see your point about lifestyle and finding the watch that works for you specifically. I wouldn’t ever consider selling the Nautilus either if I were you!
I would choose by far a Parmigiani "qualité Fleurier", a far better watch, movement and finish than both AP and PP and certainly more reasonably priced than the rip off prices we now see for those 2 brands.
Vacheron Overseas is better than both :D
@@dcdeluxe5687 Perhaps, but it will never be as iconic as either of these. Finding a unique case shape aesthetic is perhaps the easiest path toward icon status (Reverso, Royal Oak, Nautilus). Even Bvlgari caught on to the concept with the finissimo.
Both are beautiful, but I definitely prefer the elegant simplicity of the Nautilus.
The Royal Oak looks a bit too industrial... but has that cool hexagonal crown, nice touch!
I prefer the Oak!
me too
I prefer Seiko Alpinist
GunCollector007 dame
Tasteless and way too glorified by the rap crowd to warrant a spot on my wanted list. It's lost its charm and appeal for me personally. AP RO is basically a poor mans nautilus. Sorry for being blunt about it.
Ben S don’t forget the diamonds. Every rapper that wants to show off has a AP or Patek fully covered in diamonds. And wear multiple watches at once
Genta was such a troll. He made a $35,000+ ladies' watch for men in 5 minutes because he's annoyed by time and doesn't like watches. Wtf. Genta: "Here's your damn watch design, now get out of my face!"
Like a boss!
Amazing comment. You sum it up perfectly.
if you cannot afford it, get lost.
@@musiclover4311 lol, please buy them. So your ridiculous money stays in your own community while we can buy real products that really matter on real market. Don't come out of your hobby because we don't want you spending like that on our products, thus you are helping keep inflation down.
@@skyhigh9474 you definately just did some shit gcse economics course and think you're an economic genius
Weirdly, even though when side by side they really do look amazingly similar, I hate the nautilus and I love the royal oak. I would love some day to own a white gold royal oak.
The patek oh man I need that in every reference
i remember watching these videos as a child, i’m watching them now with my perfect AP royal oak on my wrist years later.
I love Patek Brand wise, but the royal oak is perfection when it comes to craftsmanship!
Although the AP came first, I still like the look of the Nautilus.
I love watching these videos for the sheer joy of the narrator's voice and choice of words. Outstanding and elegantly spoken, like a poetry recital!
You, sir, are an artist.
The Nautilus has something akin to a sense of humor about it. The porthole latch, old-style TV shaped dial, bulbous features... it's silly, yet incredibly refined. If there's one thing rich people (who are generally older) crave, it's more time. And when something is silly, it seems youthful, and something youthful seems like there's plenty of time left. Time giving time, as it were.
The AP is a fantastic watch in its own right, but a close second (watch puns vol. 2) to the Patek when of a certain age/mindset. It's just not as joyous. With its sharp, aggressively angular design, it seems to be more structured towards the taste of the successful person looking to stay sharp* and "really make it," whereas the Patek is for the person who has more monetary success than is reasonably desired, and is now trying to advance on other, more emotional fronts.
That's my, reading-too-much-into-it take on these two legends. Both with their own strengths, and only better than the other in different times of one's life. I would like both pls send
Like your thinking. Nautilus seems evergreen to me
One of the best watch videos on youtube...love the Terminator vs. T2 analogy...
Love both but AP would be my pick here.
In pictures the Royal Oak, and I'm a big AP fan. But if you handled both, the Nautilus just feels (even) higher quality.
The RO looks soooooooooooooo much better to me!
I was thinking how much more masculine it looks, then he started saying how Genta designed the nautilus for women hah.
Thank you for making this great video
I see in the comments that some guys are saying that the markers at 12 are not aligned if you look at 2:08 and i would like to add a few things.The font also looks a little bit different. If you look close enough at the A at pAtek, you will see that the gap at the “top triangle” of the letter is bigger when compared to other 5711. The markers also look a little bit too sharp, i think they look a little bit smoother on the other dials... We can be wrong, and it can be a difference between production years, but it should definitely be checked. And if it is a fake, I honestly don’t blame anyone who got fooled by it ( if anyone actually got fooled ). But anyway, keep up the good work guys!
when are you gonna do a drop test on one of those watches??? :D
Tim Wynn yeah compare them to a $100 G-Shock in terms of shock resistance, water resistance and accuracy! 😂
Put em in a hydraulic press. Best test obviously to see which watch stands the pressure of time.
Exactly that’s the way how I test if watch is real watch
:(((
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Absolutely brilliant. I believe it has less to do with the actual timepiece itself and more of its housing. It seems he took a look at something that people were probably not thinking about. How to keep water out and make it look good at the same. Instead of how to make a good looking watch and then make it waterproof.
they're both my fav watches, wish I could afford one.
I learned more about post modern wristwatch history from this video than the several hundred other ones i've seen combined.
The nautilus is my favourite watch.. all the references are beautiful.. more classy than the royal oak
Compare: VC Overseas, PP Nautilus, AP Royal Oak
Overseas > Oak > Nautilus
@@dcdeluxe5687 patrimony >all
Thank you for the video. Putting them side by side, to me, PP Nautilus is more "smooth" and understated; AP Royal Oak with the screws on the bezel, the comparatively bigger "AP" logos, the rather complicated links on the bracelet, is "louder".
Its like two best friends talking to each other.
If I can only have one luxury watch in my lifetime, i pick the Nautilus
Gotta keep these videos coming. Simply the best reviews and comparisons on the net!
I learn so much from this channel.
My two favorite ones ever. Hopefully one day I have enough money to purchase at least one of them. It's strange how I can feel them already without touching them or seeing them in person.
I’d love to know how much each of these watches cost to make in materials and man hours. Interesting to hear the history behind the design and what the two brands were trying to achieve. They’re both amazing but the price is outrageous. Out of my price range
I’m a 22yr old college student and over the last 3 years I started getting into watches. I bought 2 Seiko’s in 2019, then a Tag Heuer in 2021, and just got my first Rolex Datejust two tone rose gold. I hope to be able to get an AP Royal Oak before I graduate!
Wtf? Where do you earn that kind of money while being a student?
@@Nrzpokrter I trade stocks. I actually got a 15500 Royal oak black face a few months ago and just got a rose gold day date
Great vid. AP will be my next piece.
Advertising is a powerful tool,neither of them is worth a fraction of their cost,why are they so expensive and desirable? Advertising,no more or less.
Nomos glashütte deserves a review. Now on the basis of premise that today's automatic watch industry is revived out of chance, what made this relatively new company in this tech savvy era to pop up and produce mechanical watches?
Seeing these watches side by side in photos/videos and in person is a very different story.
I used to prefer the Royal Oak when I saw it in videos, but when I did get a chance to see both these watches in person, i was surprised by how much more elegant the Nautilus is, although to be fair I saw a steel Royal Oak being compared to a rose gold 5711
Long, long, long time ago, before I was into watches and had any idea what it is, I fell in love with the Nautilus
So glad worked up to the point where I actually get to choose one of these legendary watches. And happy to announce will be getting a AP.
The luck of the draw comes from how these two brands tapped into a human characteristic that has been there all along : the need to project a higher image of one's self. Once quartz watches appeared, mechanical watches, objectively, should've become obsolete. If you think about it, mechanical watches do seem quaint and antiquated. But brilliantly and luckily for these two watch makers, there are people who wanted to stick to tradition and, given the much higher prices of mechanicals, gave people, almost instantly, a status symbol. As if they are, by wearing these mechanical watches, saying, "Oh you got one of those newfangled quartz watches? Good thing they're cheap, now you could afford a watch. As for us, we'd rather stick with our mechanical watches because, you know, we have always been able to afford them."
There was a third in the 1980's and 90's the IWC Genta designed Ingeniuer. It has s similar bezel and used the same movement , the JLC 88X but the IWC added a soft iron cage to make is antimagnetic and a shock absorbing ring to make it more rugged with platinum rimmed rotor in a more comfortable watch. It has the same style integral bracelet and is a very comfortable watch to wear.
Not even that into watches but this was nice info pack! Well made!
Gerald Genta is a freaking genious. He designed both of these watches and they are popular decades later. I prefer vintage gold watches, but these 2 designs are astronomically awesome I'd have one if I could afford it lol.
At 2:08 on the Patek it looks like the two 12 hour markers are not aligned?
Wereld van Morgen noticed that too
Indeed, they are not.
that's because homeboy is using a replica.....
nobravenewworld hk. Yes seems like it. And if not, I would definitely advise the owner to get it fixed by the dealer.
ye its prolly fake
my goodness the way you speak i was so mesmerized and just couldn't let go of my attention on everything you said.
Keep in mind, both designs have been utilized in many different designs. The AP reflects from Baume Mercier Riviera and Hublot, up to the Vacheron overseas. The Patek is a traditional television design which is much more common in early Seiko, Bulova through to some fairly high end manufacturers. But for me the AP is a more accepted design in a high end watch. That of course if your buying only one and you desire a sport/luxury look.
The AP's shape is more rugged for me, love it
I like the Vacheron Constantin Overseas 49150 chrono the best for a holy trinity sports watch.
On the Royal Oak all the little details, like the impossible screws or the bracelet links, are simply beautiful. On the Nautilus every form and angle look off.
In my opinion, the Audemars Piguet looks much better, lovely piece!
both are great. however in my opinion both would even be greater without the second hand and date.
Great video indeed.
I kept looking at each watch for 3 seconds at a time, trying to figure out which looks better. They are both amazing.
They're both super tiny.
The 5711 has to be my favourite watch ever, if I can bring myself to justify buying it, on day, I'll get it!
I really have to work hard🧐
Good video. I like the earlier (pre-quartz) days the narrator is talking about - when good mechanical watches were still relatively affordable.
They still are. People used to spend a around a months wages on watches.
Just bought an AP Royal Oak. 😉
Congrats brother. I am about to get a Nautilus soon :)
Nice review.
In picture, the AP looks better but in real life the PP is looks much better but it should since it is twice the price of the AP
i like how the second hands are running at different positions
Nautilus any day of the week.
Chris
The Sterns are no better than diamond-dealers.
Royal Oak is more for a sport watch, but the Patek is more of a gentleman’s watch.
Could you do a review of the Grand Seiko versus Swiss-made counterparts? I heard it’s a pretty decent timepiece. Thanks!
I really like these videos, but I do wish you'd synchronize the second hands when comparing watches.
love both and a year ago would of said 5711, but these days lean more to ro (specifically 15202). big part of that is that the ro bracelet is imo perfection- the very best on any watch. i also have come to appreciate the overall more agressive styling of the ro. 5711 is very soft and bubbly (and very nice). i do prefer the nautilus dial though- not a big fan of the ap one. both great pieces.
p.s. the greatest travesty afflicting both these pieces is the inclusion of that horrendous afterthought date complication. yuck! pp incorporates it better, but still horrible.
Thank you.
Thanks for another quality vid
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If you really want an expensive luxury watch,then go for Omega.My dad bought one in 1987 and it is still working to this day
The Royal oak is my every day watch and trust me i had the nautilus 6yrs ago but its not robust enough like the royal oak it just lacks that every day quality
You're joking right.
Awesome presentation of the two watches!
5:19 Who was trying to change the bands with a $0.99 screwdriver !? 🤔🤦🏻♂️ look at the screws !!
Well spotted
Shit!
I wish I had the Royal Oak !!! My goodness, how happy I'd be looking at that beautiful yet industrial design. I'd be in heaven.
Get a homage. If you for 2500 USD you can get a PELTON American made with Swiss movement. And for less than 100 USD you can get a Chinese watch from didun/sekaro With great finishing quality and Japanese movement
@@eliransabak1447 shit whatches set your goals and get the real deal yo!
Good video, but you should have used the 15202 instead of the 15300 ... hurts the feelings of the aficionado slightly.
Dr. Strangelove or at least the 15400
Actually the 15300 is theoretically the competitor of Nautilus 5711. They haven't got the monobloc case and istead of the "historichal" ultra-thin JLC 920 caliber. both of them have in-house movement. Basically, both these AP and PP are different watch compared to original Jumbo versions. In my opinion, focusing solely on the price tag is not the best way to compare overprised luxury watch like these. That's why RO 15202 in steel has no substitute in current watch industry of luxury steel watches.
Obviously if Watchfinder compared any ref. of RO Jumbo with the PP 3711 the story could be different.
Anyway, from left to right there are at least 15k euro of difference in terms of Street price, and the current Nautilus 5711 doesn't even have a bracelet with screws...
I was thinking the same
Thanks Heston for this amazing comparison
the AP is a very very fine watch, the PP however is in a league of it's own... the king of all watches.. full stop.
There are more high end brands than Patek.
just because it costs more doesnt make it better , it looks ugly as hell
@@algorithm007ify For example?
@@MultiAlliot I love it
I think the screws on the AP are not misaligned, their slits are perpendicular to the radius of the dial. One screw and its diagonal opposite are simmetrical.
One of the best channels for watches; for me at least! I'm lusting over the watches to a point that I'm in need of a doctor...lol
I really appreciate the great designs, irrelevant how much time they took to design. Great every day watches
I'm afraid the diagnosis is watch fever!
Haha...chill dude
These videos are so well done!
Both:
- Steel
- Nice
- Way, WAY overpriced
Yes, especially Patek ! 😥
I was able to get the AP for 15k from AD. Totally worth it
Amazing videos. Keep them coming!
The ap is timeless the patek looks 70s
- I've got a timeless watch
- Have you tried rewinding it?
I’ve had numerous versions of these two, mostly original jumbos.
The RO is the more horologically significant piece.
Genta was a genius. I love both these designs!
The Royal Oak looks better, I'm a hardcore AP fan, I respect Patek Philippe though🤘
Great video, but nothing compares to my RO Jumbo 39 with the blue dial. Thin, love the movement. just Love It. Have a great day.
The AP Royal Oak is the original sports steel luxury watch...The original always wins.
Something about the simplicity of that gorgeous Patek fascinates me.
I'll take the Nautilus please. If I can find one obviously.
The level of skill and professionalism displayed in your videos it is just...superlative. You guys are the ''Holy Grail'' of watch reviews.
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Both are obscenely over priced...but that has become their allure. It does not really matter much how good the watch is, but how expensive it is. And that defines 95% of its value. By the 1970s a new class of rich folks were emerging around the world, and over spending on watches was just one way to show off their wealth...and to try and buy respectability. The more these brands overcharge, the more that they are adored.
As an owner of an AP and Patek, and former owner of several Rolexes, the quality of these watches are incredible. Looking at pictures won't do any justice. Handle them in person and you will understand. I'm way more offended by a $12k Omega that looks like it was entirely made by machines.
kaunas888 what you said, and neither one keeps better time than a cell phone
A Honda Civic gets me to the grocery store just fine but I'd much rather be in a Rolls Royce. To each their own.
4th &Vance electronics are great but they do perish rather quickly. They are disposable. These watches, even if overpriced, are mechanical wonders that last through generations
There are extremely good replicas of these watches that can be bought for $400 and you couldnt tell the difference unless you open the watch up or are an absolute expert . And the difference is usually the font. The watches look and feel the same. And you might say that not true but they do and rolex has seen this as such a threat that they have been changing the watch trying to make it harder to copy but they still do. The thing is with revolution in technology these companies in china have access to extremely advanced and high end machines. Whats funny is the Swiss actually use to make counterfeit pocket watches of the better American ones.
I’m currently saving up for a royal oak as my grail watch even though I use a regular old Apple Watch for my day to day watch needs the royal oak is just so elegant to me
I’m attempting to do the same. Any tips? I’m relatively younger but by the age of 25 I would love to own one. I’ll save up an amount every year
@@foretell6819dumb at your age. You should "come into money" when buying a watch like this e.g. you sold your business, got a huge bonus at work, etc.
If you need to save for a 30-50k+ watch, you can't afford it. That money should be invested or put into buying a home.
AP all day !!
In stainless as shown here I like the Nautilus but in all Rose Gold with a white face the AP RO is one of my favorite timepieces.