The Perfect "One Watch" - Nautilus, Royal Oak or Daytona?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- A brief discussion surrounding the sports watch trinity and the idea of choosing one of them as an only watch. The talk breaks down the design and details of each without bias and then ends with a summary.
@IDGuy - thanks for the great video man, really appreciate you taking the time to create a video of my chosen topic. This topic is of interest to me as
I’m searching for my signature watch. I am in agreement with you, the Nautilus is the one, for the reasons you rightly mention. Can’t wait to get mine....God bless.
It's an absolute pleasure, man.
The PP has become unobtainable
@@richardknight4617 call me immature I don’t care. But I can’t help but laughing at this comment
I realize Im kind of randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to stream new series online ?
-I'll wear the AP on my Anniversary, the Patek to close the deal, and the Rolex as my everyday.
IDGUY, It is a pleasure to watch and hear the way you explain these three masterpieces. The ending of you speech is so beautiful and full of meaning. Congrats, man! God bless you.
I believe Patek, AP and Vacheron to be the trilogy worth considering and comparing. The Daytona being a chrono also makes it a different animal all together.
Very true. I made this video at the request of a viewer who had the option of choosing these three pieces. In future I'll be making a series around a variety of other watches that fall into the same categories (Like the Calatrava, Patrimony, Classique and the Master Grande Ultra Thin). Thanks for the comment, Marcus!
IDGuy Thanks for the very nicely made an informative video 👍🏼😊
I am a huge Daytona fanboy. If there were such a thing as a day date Daytona I would camp outside the store and sell my body to get one.
That said. Thank you for pointing out the subdials no longer being centered with the 3 and 9 hour markers. I had never noticed. Now it’s all I can notice! My rose colored glasses are broken:(
Yeah imagine trippl calendar chrono from Rolex... how they used to make them back In the day
Respiratory Therapy I hope I interpreted “sell my body” correctly...
I'm sorry for mentioning the subdials, man....After seeing it a few years ago, I cannot unsee it either :/
@@kdot8918 Hahahaha! That's exactly what I was thinking
@@sergeyzerkin8029 And it's not like its not impossible for them to do it either! I think their business model is just not focused in that area anymore...
I've loved the Nautilus design since the mid 80s, long before I knew who Gerald Genta was, and before I knew that Genta designed the Omega Constellation, Royal Oak, IWC ingeniuer, Hublot and VC styles, etc. The Nautilus is my favourite out of all the Genta designs.
Excellent video, as usual. If by one watch, we're talking about the most iconic design, it's for sure the 5711. But if by one watch, you mean a watch you can wear and use every day and under any circumstances without worrying about damage, it has to be the Daytona (I've owned the 5711, the Daytona, and an AP chrono which is close to the jumbo). My reasons:
1. 5mm easy link extension in the Daytona clasp is essential. The 5711 clasp is bottom line awful. AP has a better clasp but no extension.
2. The Daytona ceramic bezel is scratch proof and looks *like new* forever. The 5711 bezel is delicate beyond belief and looks awful once it's scratched up. Trust me, given its current value, you won't be using the 5711 in the garage unless you are a Russian billionaire who loves to work in the garage. Same goes for the AP - beautiful when new but ... gaaad it's awful when bashed up.
3. Ease and cost of service. Patek literally takes months and costs thousands to service in either NY or Switzerland. AP has a NJ service center but also takes months and costs thousands. The Daytona, weeks and perhaps $1K at any RSC.
Reptilicus Bullseye...Totally agree
Don't think the Nautilus is more iconic than the Royal Oak, which literally launched a new watch genre (luxury steel sports).
agree with all you said and further more , i compare getting the perfect girl. ( there isnt one ) , the 5711 is the most sexy watch i have ever wear , in fact i bought 2 of them, white and grey , i am not letting them go any time soon, once discontinue it will hit a serious amount of money , . i service my 5711 recently and is not to costly (1.200us) . cheers .
Excellent points, Reptilicus...thanks for sharing those. As a Daytona Ceramic owner myself, I especially liked your justifications for the Daytona. lol I hate watches that scratch easily (too much polished areas that get bumped easily). I have a Cartier Santos that I LOVE, but it has a polished metal bezel surface which looks beautiful but drives me nuts. I unfortunately, am one of those guys that likes my watch to stay pristine looking. It's a tough battle with highly polished watches.
"A signature at the foot of the page" That's all matters. Nicely said.
What a brilliant video, well done. You have asked the right questions, specially with Rolex Daytona.I am recommending this video to my friends, it will stop them from getting carried away by hype.
Wow this is a fantastic piece of analysis!
I happen to have the 41mm APRO, the moonphase Nautilus 5712 and this 116500. Every point you mentioned is right on the spot. I particularly like the part about the 5711 being too simple to be a "one watch" and it needs to have elements to draw you back in. I also dislike how the date window intrudes the dial.
Another thing I used to dislike about the daytona is the lack of a date window, which was why I sold a previous piece a decade ago. These days I don't even set the date.
As for the APRO, I find it rather uncomfortable to wear, but the bracelet is a marvellous piece of engineering.
I don't have a "one piece" out of the three, but it depends very much on the occasion. The nautilus for special functions/events, the Daytona for very casual days, and the APRO for anything in-between.
I'll take the AP, I like the brand and I can't afford it
I can, but is "unavailable" 😂
At the end of the day I wear an omega seamster 300m
Royal Oak - No doubt it's sublime the only choice, by far 🙏🏼🌟 Love your eloquent description of a piece of steel 😘❣️When someone really special finally show up in my life!
An excellent presentation .... My wife wears a Special Edition (118) AP Royal Oak Offshore Diver in Tangerine, White Gold and Stainless Steel, and I wear a Limited Edition (255) AP Royal Oak Offshore QEII Cup in Forged Carbon and Rose Gold and we both love them so much,
How about the Explorer? Would you make a video about it, since many consider it the "perfect watch" for its design?
I found your channel and really like the love for details and your clear focus on aesthetics. The comment on Daytona vs. Sub made me smile. For me the best daily rocker is the Zenith 2.2310.400 last gen. There you get both in one case (with date w/o cyclops ;-)
Excellent analysis of 3 iconic timepieces...I like them all and agree with most of your points, excluding the date window of the Nautilus - I like it...An other Genta designed watch you may prefer is the Bulgaro Octo Solotempo.
Biggest lie in the industry: one watch collection. If you love it, you'll buy more.
Hahaha it's a sad, sad reality...the compulsion to buy more runs so deep. All things considered, I'd never be a one watch guy...variety is just too much fun! Thanks for the comment, man!
You surely need more views for this quality content !
You're too kind, man. I hope that this channel one day turns into a huge archive of discussions that'll be a resource for everyone interested in the hobby (but for now, the work needs to go into it first haha!) Thank you for your comment and appreciation, brother.
IDGuy I hope as well !
IDGuy hear, hear!
It’s refreshing to hear a South African accent on here 😃!!
Loved the video 🙌
Although I agree with your assessment almost entirely i must add that if the three the only one I've seen in the wild was the Royal Oak (two tone no less) and I was amazed at how subtle and elegant it was. I was in my chiropractor's waiting room when I glance at the wrist of the gentleman next to me and thought "what a beautiful and interestingly unique watch". I said "excuse me, but you have a really lovely watch there, what is it"? "AP" he replied nonchalantly. We then had a nice discussion about being a WIS and he asked about my collection (though I was wearing a 5610 Casio).
As I left I couldn't help but think "man, that guy just oozed class! "
Love your discussion man ;)
Absolutely the Patek Nautilus...Iconic.
Iconic at capitalizing on the crushing success of the Royal Oak. That said,
it’s still a Patek and I’m trying to add one to my collection.
@jimmyjay122 I think the Nautilus has surpassed the Oak in terms of success...the demand for the Patek is ridiculous.
Super video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 please keep them coming
I beleive the perfect one watch is a datejust 41 (or 36 depending on your taste) with a fluted bezel and oyster bracelet. It does everything. And if you dress up more than down just get it on a jubilee bracelet
All great watches,but the enduring classic,the watch that will be a favorite for years to come,has to be the incomparable Daytona.
You talk as if the Royal Oak and Nautilus will not be enduring classics. What’s so incomparable about the Daytona? The bracelet, finishing and movement are all excellent but can’t hold a candle to what the other two have to offer.
With PP you have the Calatrava and the Nautilus two trick pony. With the AP Royal Oak a one trick pony. Rolex has the Day Date, Date Just, Explores, Submariner, GMT, Daytona, Yacht Master, all icons. Rolex being considered lower class because they are not completely hand made. I would choose Rolex every time because they seem to have more thoroughbreds in the stable and l don't like the odd designs of the others. Cheers
Really? You only recognise two Pateks from their vast catalogue?
@@garysmith1477 hahaha thays very interesting... because actually many of pateks sell good ... not only nautilus or aquanuat... but yeah true about royal oak ... I think Daytona is amazing... but royal oak bests it in terms of charm...guys like us should own all of them
@@garysmith1477. Two of any notoriety.
Rolex win everyway
At 13:31 that's my watch! 🤗 Great review, even better choice 👍
That is your photo of your watch? All I can say is that you have a terrific eye and thank you for sharing it!! I hope you've been wearing it in good health for many years, Tom.
Very professional assessment from a designer’s viewpoint. Full marks and the smooth and comforting voice over is a bonus as usual. However I would opine that the question could be different and would yield different conclusions. For example, which would you choose if you’re a 30 something vs a middle aged man. And if you’re attending a cocktails party of high society, which would you wear? Or if you go to a gathering of good old pals which one? Etc.
Love all 3 watches. The Daytona resale value is doubled the retail price. The wait list is about 5 to 10 years.
Yes , and the 5711 is climbing like a rocket , hitting nearly 100k usd . check it in chronos24. if or when discontinued ?, you wont find one 5711 for less than 300k usd . Look at the Paul Newman Panda , over 1million . everyone is buying them as a retirement plan now .
I love seeing all the love for the Daytona in these comments - considering I am a very fortunate owner of one myself. I became SO obsessed with this watch, that I paid the crazy street price! There was no way I could wait years to buy one directly from Rolex.
Daytona. You can wear that one watch for life.
The perfect one watch is the Vacheron Constantin Overseas 4500V. Part of the “Big three” or “Trinity” and you get 3 straps to suit the occasion. Finishing quality is simply outstanding. Maybe because you can buy the VC straight from the boutique and not having to get on a painful waiting list, it wasn’t compared here? In that case, waiting lists are highly overrated.
I've said this a few times: I can't wait to sink my teeth into the VC and discuss it! This video was a suggestion of a handful of watches that @Reza R wanted to buy (so instead of giving him a comment, I made a video about the topic) In future I'll be doing more "The Perfect One Watch" series' and compare all sorts of models against each other. And the VC is definitely going to face off against these heavy hitters! Thank you for the comment, Fuad!
Royal oak is the only watch in world to which never get bored to look at all the time. Just loved its design
Siting here in my countach wearing my AP I can't help but feel slightly offended
you have a nice watch . but go and get a 5711 and a panda , then you are complete. i did .
The AP is great however it is fussy and not hard wearing.
lol
AP all The way. Genta had it right with the first design.when you put them side-by-side the Royal oak gives the Nautilus 52 Swift kicks in the ass and beauty
First rate video. Thought provoking, nuanced and educational. Made me appreciate the Nautilus and Royal Oak - two designs I've always found difficult and challenging. I find all three designs slightly annoying in different ways and would take a pre-Supercase Sub or 40mm Sea-Dweller as my every day and a Al&S or Breguet as a formal. Not one watch though! Doh...
Coming from a Coke owner, the older Subs have terrible bracelets.
Ap 15202st...but if you are talking about the holy trinity how com vc overseas is missing
Thanks for making this great video. It’s very enjoyable to watch. I think to really find out which that “one watch” is, you should own all these three watches and wear them regularly. You will find which one is the one you really like. For me, I have owned a black sub for 3 years and I recently got the SS Daytona. It feels great to have the Daytona on the wrist everyday since I got it. After a month or so, I decided to wear the sub again. Surprisingly I found the sub is so beautiful, it’s super easy to read, elegant and very strong. I could wear it for all the occasions and not worry about any scratches or dint. I don’t think I have all these feelings for the Daytona, probably not for the other two neither. Now I know the black SS sub is that “one watch” for me. Yes, all those rare watches will make us look good but that “one watch” is the one we truly need as an everyday watch.
Royal Oak! One of my holy grails of watches!
With a years long waiting list these days for any one of them, you'll have plenty of time to change your mind.
Loved the vid, 3 very beautiful watches.... picking one is really hard, but your logic for picking the PP was sound
Thank you M F! I tried to make it as rational is possible (but it is extremely difficult to really pick one of them - Ideally we'd go with all three) But thank you for the comment! I plan on making "The Perfect One Watch" into a series through all segments of watches which is going to be exciting!
Mr. Genta is quoted as saying the Royal Oak was his magnum opus; the Nautilus was just a paycheck.
PS your content is great but your microphone & room acoustics are truly not good.
@@Eric_Nielsen It doesn't really matter what the designer says, it only matters that you like the watch
What would be your second choice
Love the amount of videos lately! I don't like the Nautilus at all.
The Royal Oak is nice, especially the bracelet, but I wouldn't spend that amount of money on it.
I prefer the Daytona, preferably an older model since I don't like the layout of the 'recent' ones
Thank you Samme! They all have their strengths and weaknesses for sure (and I tried to bring that across) and the Zenith Daytona's really knew what layout meant! I appreciate the comment, man.
As much as i like the Royal Oak, the Daytona has to be the most ideal one watch to have among the 3! Robust movement, easily serviced and superbly versatile give Daytona an edge over the nautilus and royal oak. If design is put in place, royal oak would take the spot! The nautilus is the weakest among the 3. The movement finishing isn't really that great for the price point, the movement is not the most durable and the design is not the best looking. I just feel that none of Patek's offering is worth what they are charging for. However, this is just my opinion.
Daytona is Easily serviced?
Nice joke 🤣
Agree i own the Daytona panda from 2016 no service need and still working strong and i used every day. Very robust watch.
None of the 3. I'd take an VC Overseas 3 hand model or chrono!
VC is so underrated today. Give it five years and prices will double mark my word.
It’s also the only of the three Holy Trinity “Gentas” (I realize the VC Genta connection is debatable but we all know what they were going for) that doesn’t have a nonsense design feature (ie pointless screw slots on the Royal Oak front nuts and a nonfunctional swinging hinge on the left side of the Nautilus)
You say your review lacks bias, but I would say everyone is biased regardless of whether we'd like to admit it or not. Good videos.
I chose an AP RO Chrono. Traded my TT Submariner for it
I love all 3 but the nautilus is the one for me . It looks good with anything that you wear I do own the AP chrono and it’s a bit flashy but then again I get more compliments wearing a Rolex then I do my AP or PP
Great review of these classics! What about a video on the Seiko 6138 (Bullhead, Panda, Kakume, UFO...) vintage chronographs from a design point of view?Cheers, Jay
Very interesting topic and I've just added it to my list! Thank you for the suggestion, Jay and for the appreciation! It really means a lot!
@@ID-Guy I have to thank you for the great content that you are providing to the watch community, keep up the good work! Cheers, Jay
For the royal oak I’ve scratched that itch with the Tissot PRX80 Powermatic…solid watch without fear of getting robbed down the street
personally Royal Oak all the Way, i have the 2018 Model with the black dial in stainless and date complication, would never consider anything else if i could only have one watch
A watch has to meet the mood, therefore I will take all three to match my many moods. However, if as you say in the video I had to choose one then the answer has to be the PP Nautilus
I love all three! You've wisely picked the grails.
Thank you, man! It was actually a reply to a question that I thought would make a cool video. In the future I'll be making a series called "The Perfect One Watch" and compare and contrast all sorts. Thanks for the comment
As someone else said to each their own...between these 3, the Daytona although I don't like Chronographs...I prefer the Submariner and Explorer 1
love the comparison to the lambo
very thoughtful !
Simple is good. I wear my 5711 daily, it suits every occasion. Wish I can buy 5980/5990 (#2 grail watch) :D
Superb video
The Nautilus for me too
I have a high degree of regard for the the AP, and PP.....but would prefer the Vacheron Constantin Overseas Simple Date over those two.
I also don’t care enough for Gerald Genital’s designs to shell out my own cash to own them.
The Daytona has too many knobs competing with the one wearing it, but of the three, I’d go Daytona because of Rolex’s robust reliability.
ONE watch? Rolex Explorer.....
I have been considering a white gold Day Date 40.......but no real need other than I’d like to own it.
Thanks...
I never relaised how much the white date on the Nautilus irks me, till you mentioned it. I do believe its an awesome watch, But for me the 10k gap between the AP and Patek is a no no for me.
I own the AP Royal Oak, my favorite watch to wear daily though is Patek Aquanaut. I enjoy that dial a little better then the Nautilus, but that’s personal preference.
Have them and other watches but the 15202 gets the most wrist time. Perfect design. I only wish it had a quickdate setting like the 16202.
They are all special!
but Patek Philippe is the winner , . winner winner chicken diner .
The one you can actually get form the AD is the one!
amazing ending
"None of the above"
I have all 3, must I say, the AP is the most stunning of the 3
So do I and I agree with the choice as I think the Nautilus is the most beautiful and is my favourite but I wear the Daytona the most.
I had all 3 but now just have the RO and Daytona. The RO is my favorite watch.
How can you only have one of them?
very well said in the opening. you instantly shut all criers up hahahah
The Nautilus or more precisely, an Aquanaut for me.
The Daytona's small size, illegibility and irrelevant complication (for me) renders it third place. I owned one and quickly exchanged it for a blue dial Sky Dweller, which is much more of a pleasant to look at watch, who's complication will never become obsolete or boring like a chronograph.
The Royal Oak like the VC Overseas, which should have been included in the video and is conspicuous by its absence from the final trio, just contains far too much stainless steel.
Both look like throw backs from a previous age that I don't much care for. Large statement watches for people with either too large or too small egos.
I love the dial configuration, indecises, hands et cetera but I always come back to the amount of silver on show (primarily on the chainmail-like bracelet) and never get beyond that.
I find it rather bizarre how the amount of Gold on a watch is frowned upon in many watch circles and yet, these 80s silver stainless steel relics still seem to pass muster. Bizarre!
Royal Oak or Rolex BLNR for me. I should point out, though, that the Nautilus can come with a chronograph or moon phase complication, which elevates it above the Daytona.
Initially I was really into the RO, however over time the Nautilus won my heart over.
It's just that little bit more refined and classes than the RO imo. Not even to mention the perfect size and how the bracelet wraps around and wrist size.
I dont think the rolex is having a design comparing to the other two. OMG
Wearing a PP Nautilus working in the garage ? You better be sure it’s a Rolls Royce u r working on :-) Hahahaha
Odds are it'll be a Singer Porsche ;) Hahaha! Thanks for the comment, Danny
Most welcome
Lol. Wouldn’t wanna get grease on it or scratch it. The amount of times that I have scratched my arms or rubbed it against something working on a car is making me cringe, thinking about doing that with a patek on😬
The real watch enthusiast will not choose just one.....they must have all three! They are a MUST!
Thought for sure you were going with the Daytona😏
Me too! However I do COVET the Nautilus, and that's coming from a Daytona 116500 owner (which I adore)!
My favorite is the YM
Out the 3 after owning a Daytona...and I tried on RO...is the best out of all...design, looks wearability and this is a true watch I would wear with a suit. I agree with the window at 3...only bad point.
Have you tried the Nautilus? The AP isn't as comfy as the Nautilus in my opinion.
@@yetidh9 yes the AP I did try and it look and felt good in my head...till I put one in and than. I liked more the idea than the feel I got from it...nautilus all the way for me.. When I'll have the chance to buy it will be the tough choice between pp nautilus or Lange&S.
Slip Away. By Ryan Fletcher! Finally got it. ; )
Never thought I would hear E Dubble in a watch video
Isn’t that particular royal oak titanium? 🤔
Agree 👌🏼
Yeaaaaaa my boiiiiiiiiii...... Patek is love😍😍😍😍😍
Any one the the three is a great watch. So far I've two of them
Intro music?
MONEY >
Without bias? Clearly there is a 'preference' and the 'conclusion' is just merely validating that preference......when it comes to these watches, to each is his own!
Always, man. It's extremely hard to not be biased (but I tried to point out strengths and weaknesses of each without any favour) And of course everyone's thoughts on the topic differs. Thanks for the comment, Ravindran.
Since the Daytona is a watch I am considering buying and both the Nautilus and Royal Oak I literally LOATHE, I'll go Daytona please :D
Those were words of a poete, i'm stunned but in a good way
To me the seconds hands of a watch is its pulse, it's how I receive a visual key and affirmation that the watch is alive and well. I see no merits of not having it. As a designer myself, I'm also disappointed why the date is so often put at the 3 o'clock position. I would consider placing it above the 6 o' clock position as it would bring stability to the layout in my humble opinion, or between 4 and 5 o clock. I'm surprised how removing the 3 o'clock line has become the norm, perhaps its due to technical reasons of the positioning of complication that favors this placement.
I own them all and it's a tough call. Probably between my Nautilus and my steel ceramic white dial Daytona, but my particular Nautilus is the only steel version with the alligator strap. I would rather have a steel bracelet for a one watch collection, so the nod goes to my Daytona.
I agree. I want a nautilus too.
my choice AP. round shape dial is purest form. this is what nautilus always missing. AP classy, simple, modern, rich at the same time, but I am not sure if I would swap it with my 214270.....
Royal Oak for me !💖💖👌
You're not alone, man. It is a phenomenal timepiece! Thanks for the comment, Monssef!
The Royal Oak takes the biscuit for me, the Nautilus a very close 2nd, the latest Daytona chrono looks overstuffed and strangely misaligned. Ever since the lob sided chrono dials at 3 and 9 came into view it comes a deserved but distant 9th place in my watch league fantasy game.
Genta rendered a perfect design with the Royal Oak. The Nautilus he designed for women, and it is visible as such. The Daytona...Economics and availability aside, I would always prefer the Zenith El Primero.
YES; YES;YES; Thank you. 5711 are the number one.
This comparison misses the one watch that kills all these: The Vacheron Constantin Overseas 2000V. I bought one when I first started collecting, then 2 ceramic Daytonas, the Nautilus, and 3 15202s. The VC is a notch above them except the RO, and removes the author's distaste for its industrial aspect. It's as sublime as the RO but softer and dressier, more elegant. It's prettier than the odd Nautilus, a runner up to Genta's masterpiece. Unlike the author, I don't see Genta as having an advantage designing that watch, I see a great disadvantage to better his original with another hit without it being a blatant copy. The Nautilus suffers from so-so bracelet finishing, it just doesn't feel expensive on the wrist, and lacks the precise beveling of the RO. The dial is also an odd shape, which the too-wide bezel highlights. The 3800 or 7118 midsize is a bit better in this regard. Regardless, the 2000V has the dressy side of the Nautilus, but not quite the sport, a Maltese cross motif brings to mind no waterports. It is also considerably thinner than the RO or PP, a true ultra-thin. The Daytona should not have been part of this comparison, great watch though it is.
I like the reverso over these. Lol but I'll take a panda Daytona any day
The Rolex is simply out classed here. Patek for the win!
Vacheron Constantin Overseas: 👋🏻 hey guys! Hello…? 😢