Audemars Piguet vs. Vacheron Constantin: Royal Oak vs Overseas: 26320ST v 5500V

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  • Опубліковано 1 вер 2018
  • Contact tmosso@thewatchbox.com for pricing and availability; Either I have it, or I can get it! It’s a battle of luxury watches in stainless steel! An Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Chronograph 26320st.oo.1220st.01 goes head-to-head against the Vacheron Constantin Overseas Chronograph 5500V/110BA-148 in a battle of the hottest steel luxury sports watches not named “Rolex Daytona,” “Richard Mille,” or “Patek Philippe Nautilus.” We pit the 2012-2016 Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Chronograph (black dial) against the 2016-present Vacheron Constantin Overseas Chronograph (blue dial) to see which watch earns the right to challenge Patek and Rolex in a “champions’ round” of a future “Versus” luxury watch comparison.
    The Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Chronograph 26320ST is the elder statesman of this pair, but not by much. Although the first Royal Oak 5402 launched in 1972, the Royal Oak Chronograph only bowed in 1997 - one year after the inaugural Vacheron Overseas.
    Today’s Royal Oak Chronograph is the 41mm model that bowed at SIHH 2012 and concluded with the advent of the Royal Oak Chrono 26331 in 2017. Our subject chronograph offers a 41mm case and reasonably slim profile, but the reality of any Royal Oak is a watch that wears far larger than its nominal size; think of this one as a 42-43mm round watch, and you get the idea.
    An Audemars Piguet caliber 2385 - basically a Frederic Piguet (no relation) 1185 - does yeoman duty. This 40-hour automatic features a column wheel function selector, vertical clutch engagement, a slim integrated-chronograph profile, and five-position adjustment. But having debuted in the mid-1980s, this chronograph movement is showing its age. A low 21,600 VpH beat rate, non-hacking seconds, and minimal power reserve betray the 1185’s origin in another era of engineering. However, the screw-down crown permits 50-meter water resistance, and AP advises that the Royal Oak Chronograph is suitable for surface swimming.
    Vacheron Constantin’s first two generations of Overseas Chronograph were conservative volume plays; the third-generation Overseas Chronograph is a moon-shot. Now 42.5mm, the stainless-steel Overseas Chronograph 5500V retails for over $30,000 U.S., and the price of admission is worthwhile. Each steel Overseas ships with a full bracelet, an accessory rubber strap, and an accessory leather strap; the latter two include a strap-specific clasp. Quick-release lugs ensure that the owner of an Overseas can change between his straps and bracelet without tools.
    Vacheron equips the new Overseas with its first-ever in-house chronograph caliber, first Geneva Hallmark caliber, and first display case back. Despite the latter, Vacheron continues to rate the Overseas at its traditional 150-meter water resistance and 25,000 A/M antimagnetic resistance. Caliber 5200 is Vacheron’s first in-house automatic chronograph movement of any description, and its 52-hour power reserve easily surpasses the Audemars Piguet; vertical clutch and column wheel architecture match blows with the AP. Geneva Hallmark finish is in evidence on the caliber 5200, and the case features a Poincon de Geneve to match; the post 2012 Hallmark applies to the entire white.
    It’s Audemars Piguet versus Vacheron Constantin today on VERSUS!
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  • @FirestormAA
    @FirestormAA 6 років тому +43

    To me it is VC Oversea... RO is the most iconic amongst this 2 timepiece but all hearts to VC... the quick release & see thru case back is a great update for the Oversea. The blue dial is so so pleasing to look at. RO somehow I felt needed an updated badly.
    Great details review Tim.

  • @catpiano7847
    @catpiano7847 4 роки тому +9

    With $3-4k lower "street" price, in house movement, see through, quick change, extra leather and rubber ... I go for the VC.
    The issue is, no one has the Blue dial in stock...🙄

  • @IULENZA
    @IULENZA 6 років тому +66

    VC it's my favourite watch brand, every single watch has his own charm and beauty that i cant find in other brands

    • @mols0n
      @mols0n 6 років тому +4

      Just don't loupe their watches bc the finishing is disappointing!

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +8

      @Ribrianne: You'll need to steer clear of AP, too, if that's the case. VC finish is on a higher level than most AP products including all standard Royal Oak series models. Although the Audemars 15202 and the APRP models compare favorably to Geneva Hallmark VCs, the chronograph from this video features an F. Piguet caliber that's earned its solid caseback; there would be no comparison to the Overseas' 5200 if you could see this AP chronograph's movement.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @mols0n
      @mols0n 6 років тому

      Tim, in that case looks like I have to stick with Patek and ALS from now on, if only I had the money!

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +3

      A Neptune in steel would be the value play; these aren't worth anywhere near the other steel Patek sports watches.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @be7renz
      @be7renz 5 років тому

      @@the1916companywatchreviews I was hesitant between the 41950 and the 26320, side by side the finish on the VC's bracelet was enough to make me go for it, let alone the rest of the watch! Is it me or I feel the older 39mm models are finished better than the 41mm APs ?

  • @menaseven9093
    @menaseven9093 5 років тому +5

    I agree with you Tim I like the Vacheron Constantin Maltese case shape, display case back with sun rotor and the easy to remove three bracelets.

  • @jonv5577
    @jonv5577 5 років тому +7

    Tim, I wish you had more hobbies. I want you to review everything I’m interested in haha. Seriously though...do not think that your homework that you do prior to filming these and your other watch reviews goes unnoticed. The clear speech, immense detail, explanations, and objectivity are second to none.

  • @tar1895
    @tar1895 6 років тому +41

    VC are killing it.They deserve much more respect and profile.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +8

      You write the truth. Pre-owned, the VC Overseas Gen-3 is a monster and a best-kept-secret. Let others pay $50,000 for secondhand 5711s; give me a one-year-old steel Overseas Chrono for half that price.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @chrisbarry8467
      @chrisbarry8467 6 років тому +1

      WatchBox Reviews Hey Tim - fantastic review. I’m actively looking for a used Gen 3 overseas Chrono at any (substantive) discount vs new but can’t any. Any thoughts on where to look? Thanks and keep up the GREAT work

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      We have 3-4 at the moment. There are the listed examples, and then we have a few more that are waiting to be listed. Shoot an email to josht@thewatchbox.com, and he can give you full details of each whether listed or not. here's a link to what we've posted so far: www.thewatchbox.com/product-category/preowned-watches/?filter_content=overseas
      Best,
      Tim

  • @jameswalker4947
    @jameswalker4947 5 років тому +4

    I thoroughly enjoy these videos. Extremely informative and beautifully done. I also really like that you declare your choice for a winner and don’t say, “...but it really boils down to personal taste.”

  • @choyayahyah
    @choyayahyah 3 роки тому +4

    How the market has changed, today the VC Overseas holds it's value and goes up slightly pre-owned. I recently bought the VC Overseas Perpetual Calendar with the silver dial and I love it. It's worth probably 20k above sticker and I was fortunate enough to pay sticker.

  • @john-mikaelcarlile9683
    @john-mikaelcarlile9683 5 років тому +2

    The blue dial of the Vacheron Constantin absolutely glows in natural light. I looked at one at a VC boutique and told them they need to put a skylight overhead just so we can view that deep blue color in the sunlight.

  • @petershallis2294
    @petershallis2294 6 років тому +2

    I'm absolutely loving these versus videos, keep up the good work.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +2

      Thank you Peter; there's more to come! My goal is to build the most entertaining and informative platform for watch buyers; Versus is the first leg of that project.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @logwind
    @logwind 6 років тому +3

    Another solid one, Tim. I miss the big date on the VC. Respect to AP for keeping their watch thin.

  • @thomasg.109
    @thomasg.109 3 роки тому +3

    Excellent comparison and video, thank you, Tim. I want to purchase the Vacheron Overseas Dual Time for my collection. After watching the comparison I am convinced by the Vacheron. I wish they had hacking seconds and a anti-reflective crystal though, surprising that they don’t.

  • @richardbaptist5080
    @richardbaptist5080 5 років тому +6

    I think VC is the winner here. I love the AP non chrono versions.The Royal oak chronos, seem ponderous to me. Great review Tim, I'm really enjoying the versus series.

  • @davidelliott948
    @davidelliott948 6 років тому +3

    I own the boutique blue edition of the AP 26320 and love it. It has actually appreciated in value since I purchased it in December 2015. That said, the VC offers a new movement with longer power reserve. Better still it comes with three strap / bracelet options. All watch brands should take notice! Nice review, Tim.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      The AP is one to buy new; the VC is the one to buy used. If you have the wrist to wear the surprisingly large AP 41, its a wicked watch. The VC's triple-strap feature is slick though!
      Best,
      Tim

  • @AlexGPark
    @AlexGPark 4 роки тому +1

    Just bought 4500V overseas date model with blue dial a week ago. I'm in love with this thing.

  • @jayr2one
    @jayr2one 5 років тому +5

    I wish you also do a vs of non chronograph models

  • @ihatepotholes
    @ihatepotholes 5 років тому +4

    Agree with Tim here, but i'm more critical towards AP these days. Laziness is an understatement, AP might as well rename itself to RO because the rest of their line up has flat-lined. Although popular, i find ROO line gaudy and obnoxious even though they have some innovative pieces.

  • @AbdulRWatches
    @AbdulRWatches 5 років тому +6

    two of my favorite watches, i like the VC uniqueness, and their quality of finish, but i like the design of the AP more. I don't like that AP Royal Oak is getting scarcer and much more expensive than they should due to the high demand. I hate that VC price drops heavily and is not that loved by many. If i had to choose between them both i would also choose the VC Overseas, as i love the design, quality and uniqueness offered by the Overseas.

  • @gfckid32
    @gfckid32 3 роки тому

    great review and awesome background music

  • @Tronetti9
    @Tronetti9 6 років тому +5

    Somehow VC is just more pleasing to my eye, and would almost sure be my pick, even before we consider value and other things those 2 watches offer.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      Hi Marko, thanks for your take. In my opinion, the VC looks its best on the included straps. The bracelet is more versatile, but I feel that the extra color and contrast of the straps bring out the best of this watch. If I have the chance to shoot a "championship" round with a Patek 5980, then I'll be certain to include the VC's straps in that feature.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @MrRoyck10
    @MrRoyck10 6 років тому +2

    Good detailed comparison review, I would stay away from both VC and AP as JLC fills that gap behind PP.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      As a collector of JLC, I'm ready to admit that Le Sentier doesn't have a true equivalent to either of the subject watches from this video. In other words, JLC isn't in this race. I would have to go back to the JLC 42001 of the 1970s to find something that even *looks* like these watches. A JLC powered AP 15202 would be as close as you can get today.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @zeitgeist9299
    @zeitgeist9299 5 років тому +4

    Brown dial VC, please!

  • @stevevuoso8411
    @stevevuoso8411 5 років тому +17

    This was the best “vs.” yet! To wear and keep, I’m going VC.

  • @winedemonium
    @winedemonium 5 років тому +3

    You did a really nice job here (as always).

  • @raymond2305
    @raymond2305 5 років тому +11

    VC for me. Would be great if you could do an AP 15400 versus VC 4500. Am thinking between these 2, partly because price point is lower and I prefer simpler dials. Which one would you pick? Thanks in advance and good job Tim, as always!

  • @indykalia8224
    @indykalia8224 2 роки тому +1

    Love the Vacheron, that blue dial💙Really appreciate your extensive knowledge and detailed reviews!

  • @epvtrinidad
    @epvtrinidad 5 років тому +1

    Wow that Invenit et Fecit CB easter egg was spot on. Who writes this stuff?? Great great job

  • @brandolee808
    @brandolee808 2 роки тому

    Great review!

  • @narenreddy2329
    @narenreddy2329 6 років тому

    Thanks for the video. I was waiting and wanting this comparison video.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      I always read these comments -- every single one -- and I am doing my best to pull future Versus matchups from the direct requests of viewers.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @narenreddy2329
      @narenreddy2329 6 років тому +1

      @@the1916companywatchreviews thank u very much. What is your opinion on Rolex rootbeer GMT master 2 chnr?

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      It's a good looking watch. Here's my video of the two-tone CHNR for more details: ua-cam.com/video/Z1tVt3xM5Ag/v-deo.html (I also have one of the solid rose gold GMT if you use the channel's search tool)
      Best,
      Tim

  • @rafidhassanoney4007
    @rafidhassanoney4007 3 роки тому +2

    I would take the Constantin Overseas over any watch ! Such a Magnificent watch !

  • @cookedit
    @cookedit 4 роки тому +2

    VC for me. The only area the AP wins is that the Royal Oak probably has one of the best looking bracelets ever. But then the VC comes with 3 brilliant bracelets which are easy to change. So the VC still wins out in that area as well.

  • @anastasevp
    @anastasevp 6 років тому +1

    Nice one Tim! Congrats!

  • @user-si1ev7ee4l
    @user-si1ev7ee4l 6 років тому +1

    Great comparison!

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      This one was a pleasure to film. And the VC's removable bracelet permitted some of the closest and easiest movement shots we've taken since starting the series.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @MultiOort
    @MultiOort 6 років тому +2

    I agree how you put it, and it's exactly how it is. Nice one. VC and it's design philosophy compare to the 'look' (and strongly dated and not timeless in my opinion) of the Royal Oak. It's an idea. And the VC breaths that all over. The brown dial one i strongly like as well...beautiful. But above my price range though...

  • @troycote4503
    @troycote4503 Рік тому +1

    Overseas is my favorite watch period as far as aesthetic and looks. The only watch I might make an exception for is the Rainbow Daytona, but you're not wearing a Rainbow Daytona as an everyday watch. I like the Royal Oak but easily take the overseas.

  • @mrmichaellepp8206
    @mrmichaellepp8206 5 років тому +15

    Wow I'm suprised to see so many VC supporters in the comments, I thought you were going to get grilled for this one Tim ;)
    My choice would be the brown dial 3rd gen Overseas. Cheers

    • @WatchGeek16.8
      @WatchGeek16.8 5 років тому +1

      My thought exactly. I thought Tim would get grilled for siding with VC lol

    • @samzhu2576
      @samzhu2576 3 роки тому

      Blue is the best

  • @randyallen2771
    @randyallen2771 4 роки тому +6

    VC all the way, really classic. I'm afraid that the Royal Oak is at the top of my meh list so it wasn't fair for me.

  • @Chris-es3wf
    @Chris-es3wf 6 років тому +4

    This is the first versus that really made me take a long, hard look before making a final decision. The date window on the VC throws the dial a bit out of balance, although the 'blue-tiful' dial takes it a long way for me. The color may eventually fall out of style, by I don't think I'd fall out of love with it in my lifetime. I'd personally never own either of these (only due to alternative options at this price point), but the VC takes it by a hair due to the dial and movement finishing. A very thoughtful Versus video. Please keep the high quality content coming!

  • @TheBarts27
    @TheBarts27 5 років тому +2

    Difficult choice. Like them both but the VC wins it for me but not without a sleepless night. Both watches have flaws and at this price range they should fix this in future editions. The VC needs a date window in the same colour as the dial! This could be a deal braker for me. The AP needs a see through caseback and an update of the movement. I think that it is a shame that VC removed the double date, because I like a big date, but overall the VC is nice package with three straps, a beautiful movement, a killer bracelet, and a more stealthy look. Maybe I would want them both very badly:-)

  • @aaronedgerton1843
    @aaronedgerton1843 6 років тому +11

    VC for the win! Beautiful time piece and would love to see one in the metal. Another great versus Tim and crew, bravo!

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      Thank you, Aaron! I'm pushing for a second feature along these lines - hopefully, as a Saturday morning feature. Stay tuned for that.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @BenTramer
    @BenTramer 5 років тому +1

    Isn't the F. Piguet 1185 a free sprung balance? The notes in the video seem to suggest otherwise.

  • @charlescrisp1286
    @charlescrisp1286 4 роки тому

    Can anyone tell me who he thinks makes the VC dials?

  • @Cull_Obsidian
    @Cull_Obsidian 6 років тому +1

    Great video as ever! I have an AP 26331 (the 2017/2018 version of the one shown here) and I adore it. I managed to try on the same overseas yesterday and I have to say you won’t be disappointed with either. The Overseas does feel smaller on the wrist than the Royal Oak, I prefer the feel of the Royal Oak but the overseas is great too. The VC bracelet feels smoother but the AP’s looks better. I viewed it with my mother who is in to watches but nowhere near as much as I am and remarked “It looks like they’re trying to emulate AP”.
    To me it’s a heart/head proposition. My head says VC and my heart says AP. It’s really a shame that AP has just raised their prices in the U.K. as of yesterday too. That means whichever you go for buying pre-owned is a better value play! CQ said you guys can ship here via Switzerland so I think I’ll have to give you guys a call soon!

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      AP probably spends a bit more time on finishing of case and bracelet than VC. The Vacheron is perhaps 9/10 of the AP's aesthetic appeal and 9/10 of the external finishing quality. I allotted a few extra points to VC for the movement, resistances, ergonomics, and the value of the QR strap system (with extra straps). I do believe that if this were solely an external finish and style shootout, AP would have won.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @BenTramer
    @BenTramer 6 років тому +4

    Tim,
    You mention how technologically advanced the VC OS but consider no full bridge and no free-sprung balance. I agree with others and think the VC OS lugs flare out too wide from the bracelet giving it a FPJ Octa Sport look, which I am not a fan of.
    A few questions, if you don't mind:
    - How does the VC OS manage that level of anti-magnetism with a metallic hairspring and open caseback?
    - Did Genta design the original VC OS/its predecessors?
    Thank you.
    Best,
    Mark

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      I never said the VC was perfect, but it does represent a major upgrade - as a watch and as a movement - over the AP, an entire model family long bereft of serious investment. 1) VC uses a paramagnetic ring around the movement; "para" magnetic materials attract magnetism, and that's why my narrative mentioned "channeling" field lines. The ring around the movement literally pulls the field around the movement in the center. 2) No, Genta had nothing to do with the Overseas. This G3 Overseas is a combination of the 1977 model 222 by a young Jorg Hysek, and the 1996 Overseas Gen-1 designed by VC's Vincent Kaufmann and a freelance designer named Dino Model (often associated with Corum in the 1990s and 2000s).
      Best,
      Tim

    • @BenTramer
      @BenTramer 6 років тому +1

      Tim,
      Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful response. All the best the Holiday weekend!
      Best,
      Mark

    • @BenTramer
      @BenTramer 6 років тому +1

      How wide is the VC OS bracelet where it joins the case/at its widest (I know the lug spacing is proprietary)?

  • @iZacq
    @iZacq 5 років тому

    Does the AP steel come with without Gold ?

  • @Khanh.Nguyen369
    @Khanh.Nguyen369 6 років тому +4

    I finally found a VC combo I like and can wear. A great boutique allowed me to put it on the rubber strap and it transformed the look and feel. It really help combat the thickness and fell in love. Now I can finally add it to my collection. Now just the Patek to complete the trinity.

  • @the1916companywatchreviews
    @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

    Now that you've seen my choice, what is yours?
    Best,
    Tim

  • @ulfhednar3328
    @ulfhednar3328 Рік тому

    I respect your opinion, I own one of both and it is very tough to decide, but if I could only own one I’d go with my Royal oak rose gold bracelet with black dial solely on appearance alone. I love my Patrimony Vacheron with a leather band. So it’s very difficult to decide because you are comparing apples to oranges.

  • @totisanchez3607
    @totisanchez3607 5 років тому

    We agree again Tim

  • @Angel-AbC9
    @Angel-AbC9 5 років тому +2

    I want to see 3 watches battle it out but with leather bands . any popular brands

  • @mrg1911
    @mrg1911 6 років тому +20

    Vacheron Constantin (Overseas series) is the ONLY high-end watch I would ever buy. The Simple-Date, Dual-Time, and Chrono are nicer (to me) than anything made......(including Aquanaut and Nautilus).
    I wouldn't buy/wear an AP under ANY circumstances.
    Great video, thanks!

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      You would be very happy with the VC. It feels like a product rife with recent investment; the AP... feels the same as it has for a few decades.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @diabew
      @diabew 5 років тому

      I agree with what you said ...
      May I ask why you wouldn’t buy AP ?
      I’m torn between the ap chronograph and the VC overseas...

    • @mrg1911
      @mrg1911 5 років тому +2

      Simply the stylings of AP....I don't care for them at all....but because I don't like the stylings certainly doesn't make it a bad watch.
      I don't like the screws on the front of the case nor the hex-head bolt they use for their crown.
      I much prefer the look, fit, and finishing of the VC.....for more than the Patek Philippe Genta designs as well.
      And while I don't have first hand experience with AP-Service, I perceive the AP to be more delicate and ridiculously expensive to service.
      I expect a "Sports-Watch" to be 100m (or more) water proof.
      The Royal Oak is 50m and the Offshore is only 100m.

    • @andyreiter6253
      @andyreiter6253 5 років тому

      Tim what is is ur favourite from overseas date, dual time or the chrono ?

    • @andyreiter6253
      @andyreiter6253 5 років тому

      plus dont u think a lange chrono is also a nice watch ?

  • @ssoffshore5111
    @ssoffshore5111 5 років тому +12

    I guess I might be the only person here that would rather have the AP. The RO is just so iconic, classic, and timeless that I can't imagine taking the VC over it. IMO, the RO is one of the most beautiful designs ever. Between the near perfect symmetry, size, design, and the way all the angles catch the light as it is turned, not to mention the bracelet is sooo comfortable, the RO is near perfection! 100% AP IMO!

  • @sharathramnathan5147
    @sharathramnathan5147 2 роки тому

    Which country’s prices are we talking about here?

  • @gpearce11
    @gpearce11 5 років тому +1

    I’d prefer the three hand date versions of either over their chronograph siblings, and I’d take the Overseas over the Royal Oak in both instances.

  • @levedia
    @levedia 5 років тому +2

    SEIKO CREDOR has a good finish. Every detailed you cant even imagine. Dissapointing to hear VC has bad finish as it is my fav watch by far although never owned one.

  • @silversurfer6756
    @silversurfer6756 5 років тому +1

    Now that's a photo finish! Great work, Mr. Mosso. The Power Cosmic to you and your team. Excelsior!

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  5 років тому

      Thank you Mr Radd!!!
      We're humbled by your support!
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  • @JS-te2vj
    @JS-te2vj 5 років тому

    music?

  • @andrewbrown5636
    @andrewbrown5636 5 років тому +1

    Currently having the same dilemma.. VC 5500 reverse Panda or blue AP chrono. Heart says VC, Head AP.

  • @railgraf
    @railgraf 6 років тому +2

    video quality is very good - I can see the damn soul scratches right there! as to the choice - I'm not fan of chronographs but this AP design as a whole is stunning! it is so well balanced - really you just stare at it - wow! But I wouldn't buy chronograph anyway.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      Full disclosure; pre-owned watches... some scratches included! Both brands likely would pitch a fit if I filmed this as "Govberg," the new watch/AD side of the company. I get more flexibility as a pre-owned vendor with Watchbox, and I ensure that we tell the entire story - scratches included - of our watches. It's possible to lie with camera angles, and I'm proud of the fact that we'll never do that while I'm around.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @railgraf
      @railgraf 5 років тому

      your "talking hands presentations" are impeccable Tim - no kidding! To the point - condensed, informative and honest! I've been fan for years.

  • @chipwong3172
    @chipwong3172 6 років тому +3

    Non hacking seconds on the VC says it all.

    • @jackg2425
      @jackg2425 5 років тому

      Chip Wong Ummm...AP doesn’t hack either. Nor does PP for that matter

  • @danielwilliams7870
    @danielwilliams7870 4 роки тому

    Thank

  • @CrashCarson14
    @CrashCarson14 Рік тому

    What’s this song!!!

  • @PhillyHank
    @PhillyHank Рік тому +1

    Any vs with the new AP 26240? I agree the VC is a much better value and had versatility and newness as overwhelming pros! But!! I can't stop looking at the AP and saying I want that one above all others. Ik it's too costly pre-owned. Ik it's dated. Ik I doesn't come with a quick release bracelet function. But I KEEP STARING AT IT!! Give it to me!!!😂

  • @abushafi55
    @abushafi55 4 роки тому

    both don't have tachemtere which comes the great question why we have chronograph

  • @mrd.cooper5481
    @mrd.cooper5481 3 роки тому +1

    AP For me. Maybe VC for older generation

  • @KSM100
    @KSM100 8 місяців тому

    VC for me, but I prefer it in rose gold. Beautiful.

  • @lorenzobrizzi9309
    @lorenzobrizzi9309 6 років тому +2

    I love this videos but please Lange 1 vs Chronometre Bleu

    • @Chris-es3wf
      @Chris-es3wf 6 років тому +1

      Why bother? FPJourne CB takes it hands down as an instant icon that will be worth $50k+ in a number of years...

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      We shot a CB a few weeks ago, so we'll probably give it a rest for a while before featuring it in a second comparison. However, I have made a Lange comparison a near-term priority. If it can't be L1 vs CB, what comparison involving a Lange and a rival would you like to see?
      Best,
      Tim

  • @richardatkinson3650
    @richardatkinson3650 5 років тому +1

    wow a tough call.

  • @dgb6355
    @dgb6355 6 років тому +2

    VC is a more modern watch, the AP keeps better value. Conclusion: hard to choose.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      On design, I'd go with the AP by a narrow margin. Mechanically, or on the basis of value, the VC, especially pre-owned. Also, if frequent swimming is on the agenda, the VC without hesitation.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @kmy20cmr83
    @kmy20cmr83 5 років тому

    Por poquito el AP, pero los dos son hermosos

  • @space.cowboyyyyy
    @space.cowboyyyyy 6 років тому +6

    VC please :)

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      You chose well; it does not disappoint. What was the deciding factor from your perspective?
      Best,
      Tim

  • @fredchoi5613
    @fredchoi5613 3 роки тому +1

    VC = High Class and Elegance.

  • @LiquidSm0ke
    @LiquidSm0ke 6 років тому +4

    Vc is a grail!

  • @mindoftribe
    @mindoftribe 5 років тому +1

    both are totally amazing. but imao, VC. I have more respect in the history of VC. Still, I understand AP, PP, and other Titans are extraordinary. but my personal favorite is always VC.

  • @sofrech1991
    @sofrech1991 6 років тому +4

    What dial manufacture are you referencing, Tim, when you say that Geneva is a small place?

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      Literally, I said all that I can in the video.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @matthiasheuberger952
      @matthiasheuberger952 6 років тому

      my guess would be fp journe

    • @chrisbarry8467
      @chrisbarry8467 6 років тому +3

      Do a search on “Cadraniers de Genève”. It’s FPJs own dial manufacturer. Several articles mention they also supply dials to VC.

    • @alastairblair
      @alastairblair 5 років тому

      Chris Barry Doesn't Tim have "history" with FP Journe?

  • @kevorknourian5442
    @kevorknourian5442 6 років тому +1

    Awesome

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      Even better is on the way! Next weekend's feature brings back the two biggest name in Swiss watches for a clash of titans. Hint' both hail from Geneva.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @andyreiter6253
    @andyreiter6253 5 років тому

    the jlc has a better movemetn thinner and better charge hours

  • @marcosfonseca5312
    @marcosfonseca5312 4 місяці тому

    For me, VC is the best

  • @MarineLyr
    @MarineLyr 3 роки тому +1

    Is the pre-owned blue dial overseas still trading below list price?

    • @MarineLyr
      @MarineLyr 3 роки тому

      3rd gen seems to be going for nearly $40K if you can find one. List is $32K

  • @narenreddy2329
    @narenreddy2329 6 років тому +6

    Vacheron constantin for me

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      We agree! Which dial variant of the Overseas would you choose? I have to admit that I love the discontinued brown sunburst unreasonably
      Best,
      Tim

    • @narenreddy2329
      @narenreddy2329 6 років тому +1

      @@the1916companywatchreviews blue dial with rubber strap is a sensational piece

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      Big time. The blue of the dial resembles the Journe CB more than anything from rivals Patek or Audemars Piguet.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @andyreiter6253
    @andyreiter6253 5 років тому

    you might as well go for the polaris ... becasuse those watches belong to be thin ...

  • @adolf-8834
    @adolf-8834 6 років тому +6

    VC for me. Sit down ap

  • @noctowl1928
    @noctowl1928 4 роки тому +1

    I'm Vietcong and I go for VC

  • @ScottyBennitone
    @ScottyBennitone 6 років тому +10

    The VC wins .

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      Good call. Especially in chronograph form, the Overseas has the versatility to replace 3-4 conventional sports watches and dress models.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @tonyl7000
    @tonyl7000 6 років тому +4

    VC gets my vote. It's close, but the RO seems dated. Integrated bracelet looks nice, but the option to swap makes it feel like a 3v1 and RO is on the losing end.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      As a standalone, the AP is impressive. But compared to VC's huge and tangible investment in the 2016 Overseas, the AP product seems a bit cynical; the same product for a long time with regular price hikes and scant R&D.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @Zblass
    @Zblass 6 років тому +1

    Really even. Cant choose.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      Both are superb. VC is the choice for value, ergonomics, and movement interest; AP's at an advantage by virtue of design and external finish.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @WatchGeek16.8
    @WatchGeek16.8 6 років тому +1

    You can actually get some discount from VC AD. And the new Gen 3 overseas are holding their values very well! VC > AP any day.

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      This is true. If you were to buy a Gen 3 with a standard price accommodation from a dealer, you wouldn't lose much despite buying new. VC overpriced and overproduced the Gen 3 in 2016, but the watch makes far more sense today. Vacheron pared back production volumes after the first year and rivals like AP and Patek implemented price hikes that made the VC more competitive. Vacheron had the misfortune to launch the far costlier Gen 3 into a very tough market for all watches back in 2016.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @chrisbarry8467
      @chrisbarry8467 6 років тому

      WatchBox Reviews Tim - saw your comment back to my earlier question about finding a quality preowned G3 VC Chrono. In terms of new, what “standard price accommodation” I be aiming for at an AD for the Overseas Chrono? I ask as the last two ADs I went into said they’d cover tax and no more. Thx in advance for any guidance

    • @WatchGeek16.8
      @WatchGeek16.8 5 років тому

      Tim, which of the Overseas do you think is a better buy at the moment? The blue dial Dual Time vs Black Dial Automatic (said to be limited in production) or reversed Panda/Blue dial chrono? I like all of them! I do have an Omega speedy and a Patek 5960/1A as chrono and Rolex Sky-Dweller as dual time. Still, i just couldnt resist the new blue/black Dial on the new Vacheron Overseas! The picture/video just dont do the watch justice imo!

  • @robertlulek1634
    @robertlulek1634 4 роки тому

    Both watchers are nice but the people who are saying the voucher on is better looking you need glasses the bracelet alone wipes the floor with the vacheron

  • @SuperEmlo
    @SuperEmlo 4 роки тому

    Since I watch JCB’s view, I choose hublot

  • @JG-ui2xu
    @JG-ui2xu 5 років тому +2

    Please don't ever change the porn music..... it's perfect for this series.

  • @kozma_prutkov1195
    @kozma_prutkov1195 3 роки тому

    VC best 👍

  • @girardperregaux5048
    @girardperregaux5048 5 років тому +2

    AP has much more class. VC Bucherer blue?

  • @SpeedyNeo
    @SpeedyNeo 6 років тому +1

    AP for the bracelet alone

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      It's impressive. The AP wins on external finish and design quality. While good, I don't believe that the VC's case and bracelet are as exhaustively hand-finished as the AP. Moreover, VC's design is familiar to Overseas fans, but there are some compromises inherent in the Gen-3 that I don't see in the 26320. VC won this battle on ergonomics, value, and movement finish. Water and magnetic resistance helped to pad the win for Vacheron.
      Best,
      Tim

  • @WorldsWorstFishing
    @WorldsWorstFishing 5 років тому +2

    VC smokes the AP

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  5 років тому +1

      "Where there's smoke there's fire!" - Smoke from Mortal Kombat.
      Thanks for watching!
      - WatchBox Team

    • @robertlulek1634
      @robertlulek1634 4 роки тому

      the vacheron seems cheap the way the bracelet comes up when you look at them side-by-side the AP gives The flash run a good kick in the ass in beauty. It is rated above the vacheron for a reason

  • @pyootchnich
    @pyootchnich 5 років тому

    Agreed,. I own both the overseas and the Royal Oak... Love them both, but I find I wear the overseas more. I actually appreciate the more conservative design. Tim, another great video.Your horological knowledge and vocabulary Result in videos with unmatched quality. Hope to buy a grand Lange from your store soon.

  • @BenTramer
    @BenTramer 5 років тому +3

    Torn...can't do that pencil neck VC OS case/bracelet junction...also can't do 50m water resistance.

  • @raknaroktime7565
    @raknaroktime7565 2 роки тому

    Vacheron pisses on Audemars, the bad thing is that they don't sell well, but as a piece of watchmaking, Audemars is actually becoming more and more Rolex every day, increasing its production. So no, there is no comparison.

  • @the.magnus
    @the.magnus 4 роки тому

    The lume on both these watches are terrible. Surely they can do better than that.

  • @aaronpacillio8189
    @aaronpacillio8189 3 роки тому +2

    VC is a great watch & the strap system is awesome...however in the flesh the sex appeal of the AP wins by miles.

  • @macoyupadoodle
    @macoyupadoodle 6 років тому +7

    VC

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      Spot on. Make mine the brown dial.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @macoyupadoodle
      @macoyupadoodle 6 років тому +1

      WatchBox Reviews yeeeesssss sir , the brown dial is just stunning . Im not a blue type of guy .

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому +1

      Also consider the new tone-on-tone black dial with silver registers. While blue is hot right now, I think that the new "inverse Panda" is the best play for a watch that will age gracefully. The brown is quirky and is likely to remain a niche choice.
      Best,
      Tim

    • @macoyupadoodle
      @macoyupadoodle 6 років тому +1

      WatchBox Reviews sir , you guys should do (if possible or even just a segment) of upcoming watches even if it is just a rumor, newly launched ones too . It's nice to give new watch buyers options. I would just like to say good shows and a big hello from the Philippines

    • @the1916companywatchreviews
      @the1916companywatchreviews  6 років тому

      Thank you for reaching out from the Philippines! Occasionally, we cover new watches on the other channel. I reported from SIHH last year, and I anticipate returning for 2019. And I expect that when the time comes, I'll shoot more prediction-type videos like last year's Basel previews.
      This Reviews channel is driven by our inventory as a vendor more than anything, so speculative features likely will remain on the Studios channel since there would be nothing to show..
      Best,
      Tim