Why the Light Type will Never be in Pokémon
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Fans are a fickle bunch; we think we want one thing, and if we get it, they didn't do it the right way. I say that to illustrate that at large fans don't really seem to get the Pokémon types and keep coming up with ideas on how to "improve" them by adding more, without much thought about how it would interact with all the other types, or even WHY those types existed in the first place, and fail to realize what they might all have in common that's left out of these fan options...
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Some of these "similar to another type" types only make sense if the physical/special move split never happened. e.g wood as a physical counterpart to grass, and wind as a special counterpart to flying.
And that would be a bad trade off. The split is one of the best changes in Pokémon history.
I think people also forget that dark was, at least in terms of offense, the special counterpart to ghost, which was physical before the split.
@@emmetstanevich2121 For some reason, even though almost every gen I-III move of said types ended up flipping their special/physical status after the split.
They never did this before the physical special split, though. There's no physical counterpart to any of the special types, and some of the phys/special decisions make no sense. Ghost was a physical type despite the only ghost type (in the type's debut gen) being a special attacker. Dark was a special type despite Bite and Crunch being Dark. Shadow Ball was a physical attack but still had a chance to lower special defense for some reason.
@@tommaniacal that's the point. These ideas don't work *because* of the special/physical split. The only way these types *could* work is without the split.
Alternate title: Emperor Cubone roasts fanmade types.
And rightfully so.
@@zimonzieclown1633 fr
Lol
When they actually do introduce a new type it'll probably be something incredibly obvious in retrospect.
Like with Fairy retconning a bunch of Normal types.
@@mariokarter13 I don't think we'll see a new type any time soon. The type chart is pretty balanced as it is. In the past when new types have been added, it's to fix some glaring imbalance in the type chart, which is something Emperor Cubone kind of overlooks. Dark was introduced to nerf Psychic. Steel was introduced to buff Fire, Ground, and Fighting. And Fairy was introduced to nerf Dragon.
Another thing about the Magic type. Along with Fairy and Psychic, we also have magical and supernatural powers with Dark and Ghost, anyway
Dragon too kinda
@@rainbow_vader the Dragon Pokémon do have some magical powers, you’re right
Dragon is raw, pure arcane magic
Pokemon already has a light-type with Fairy. But when I look at other elemental magic systems, then only the crystal type is left for Pokemon. But even this is already represented in the form of attacks. So that leaves only uberelements like Chaos or Void that Pokemon could use.
Funfact: Dark is called Unlicht in German. This is a word creation for Pokemon and literally means unlight.
@@Jasmin-lg3gf I didn’t know that about the Dark type in Germany
A lot of these just feel like people having an issue with the wording of types. The dark type isn't darkness, it's the evil type. The fighting type is it's counterpart, the good or heroic type. Flying started out as birds but it's really an air type, grass is really plant type, dragon is really primordial magic and fairy is really ethereal magic. Would be like people arguing that metal based Pokemon that aren't made out of steel should each have their own copper, iron, or titanium type. If the types we had were more accurately named no one would bother coming up with a lot of these.
I will point out that the Dark type isn't purely 'evil', even if that's a heavy theme and the original translation. The types in general are a bit broader then their names imply. Otherwise agreed
@@kallistiravenhurst5232 yea, many dark pokemon aren't evil by nature - Absol for one, it's dark but its nature is very noble, warning people about incoming disasters.
It's probably more associated with the darker aspects of the world, the necessary things that aren't good by nature but help keep things in balance.
or just rename steel to metal type
@@pokemonfanmario7694 I think Absol is Dark just because its defining characteristic is warning people of impending doom, and natural disasters are a very dark thing -- especially in Japan, given their history.
So I agree with you. It's about dark themes, so it's named pretty aptly!
Anything from the world's most brutal hunters to mischievous, deceptive, or outright evil beings can be clumped into the type.
Dark type could mean both ‘evil’ and ‘darkness’. Dark is weak to Fairy and Fighting, explaining why it could mean ‘evil’. But Dark is also weak to Bug, referencing how some bugs light up the dark. And Dark is good against Psychic, because both ‘evil’ and ‘darkness’ are fears that affect your mind.
And I got nothing for why Dark beats Ghost.
About the Cosmic Type: between Cosmic Power and Pokémon such as Solrock, Lunatone, Deoxys, the Elgyem line, Dottler's UFO-like design, Necrozma, and the Cosmog family, it's pretty clear Psychic has a partial space theme.
Palkia: "Arceus..... but why?"
@@Thedesteroyah "You’ll be part Water because in the future, humans will travel space with ships."
Literally psychic is all about astrology
@@boopersindoopers not all psychic types reflect astrology at all. Like a lot of them don't. Like Xatu sees into the future, but that's not really space stuff
I don't think psychic is really space theme its more kind of like why mind flayers use psionics
I remember old theories about X and Y where Light and Sound type were going to be added, and Xerneas would be Light and Yveltal would be Sound, because Xerneas's horns had a rainbow of colours and Yveltal was shaped like a tuning fork
I mean they were right about Light type (Fairy in japanese)
Also that Yveltal was the only Pokemon to make a noise during the trailer...
@@timurtheking Fairy Type is not called Light Type in japanese. It is in fact called Fairy Type in Japanese. So no there is no "light type" because Light isn't a property exclusive to fairies but is encompassed by multiple other types and would be utterly stupid to ever be added.
@@trueMCGRaven the fairy type is the light type+magic type+fae type
@@diablo.the.cheater isn't fae just fairy in irish?
I never understand why they didn’t just make ground and rock type be earth or geo type. Because too me they are basically the same thing.
I guess the reason would be that rock type would be rocks, crystals, minerals and such. And ground being creatures that dig or live in the ground,but they could have easily made it a single type and just call it geo type.
Many Gen 1 'mons were loaded as Rock-Ground types.
I see why they did it. Mechanically speaking they overlap in weaknesses and a super effective and resistance but they have a lot of differences
•Weak to: Water, Grass
(fighting, Steel / Ice)
•Strong against: fire
(Ice, Flying / Steel, Poison, Electric)
•Immune to: ( / Electric)
•Useless against: ( / Flying)
•resists: Poison
(Normal, Fire, Flying / Rock)
It may be the same reason why water and ice can be the same. It probably because Rock defines the texture of a creature and ground type define where it live
It is hard to make up a new type with that idea that another type won't cover
City Cover the dark type
Jungle are grass
Desert are fire type
@Enrique Nangüelú you are right and I don't understand why Rock don't resist electric
Y’all make good points. Now I’m thinking, if they divided some types into two separate types like rock/ground and ice/water. Why not do the same with steel type. Some steel types are not even made of steel. Like bronzor literally has bronze in the name. Why didn’t they divide steel type into types like iron, bronze, brass, gold, and so on. I guess it would be a lot of types to add. Same reason why sound is normal, light is electric/ fairy, lava is fire. The more I think about it. Sound makes since to be normal type. Because almost every creature in the world can produce sound when “ talking “, like dogs barking, cats meowing, etc.
A lot of these suggestions are just magic types from other games but types like ground, electric, flying etc are just that (so earth, lightning, wind, etc). Nuclear is pretty much reverse normal type lol
Nuclear: the type that nukes everything, AND gets nuked by everything
Ghost is the reverse normal lmfao
nuclear is unbalanced but its still a cool typing. doesn't really work as a typing itself though it just turns pokemon all or nothing something that could easily be done with an ability rather then a whole new typing
@@GreenEyedPsycho Correction "Nuclear: the type that nukes everything,, but steel AND gets nuked by everything.
There's a really good video from Lockstin that argues that Dragon is the "mana" type. Totally agree with you Emperor!
Fairy and Dragon seem to have a joint consensus in the community as the “magic types”. Dragon representing the arcane and ancient, power, and more destructive side of magic. Fairy seems to be the more developed and controlled half, healing and trickery, manipulating magic with a purpose instead of simply screaming “UNLIMITED POW-ROAAAAARRRR” and is why they as immune to the raw outbursts of the dragon type bc no matter what it is they can just dissipate or nullify the magic being used against them.
@@gameinsane4718 I definitely agree! Fairy also seems to have some connection with nature, which is why some Fairy Pokémon (like the Flabebe line) are associated with plants/nature.
@@gameinsane4718 hit the nail right on the head
He also said that cosmic and psychic are the same type.
I came to see Dragon as the raw "rage/beast" type. Their moves tend to be given names denoting aggression and anger like Dragon Rage, Outrage or Dragon Rush. This supernatural rage can also be channeled into Draco Meteor, Twister, Dragon Pulse, or even elemental non-dragon moves. Even Dragon Dance is an intimidating-looking status move.
Defining a nuclear type as man-made toxic radiation is really limiting. Nuclear energy is defined as energy within the nucleus of an atom. It is not just in nuclear power plants. It is literally all around us. I would define the nuclear type as a combination of light, cosmic, and aura types. Nuclear could have some overlap with poison but still be its own type much like the ice and water types. btw, nuclear radiation does occur naturally. It's not always man-made
He said largely
Other than maybe Cyber, I think Nuclear is the only type that is different enough to work.
And it definitely has worked already in Pokémon Uranium.
@@beththedarkmage3359 I guess, but it is implemented horribly in its home region. It just feels really lazy. I am in figurative love with the concept of the type, though.
It's still probably the worst of this list besides rubber and plastic it just wouldn't work not with the current theme we have for types it's cool for fan made stuff but that's jt
It's this sort of thing that shows you why Game Freak does not take fan ideas. The bulk of fans don't know what is necessary to make something work in Pokémon: like you said here, Magical elements are covered by Fairy (and Psychic as well) and everyone asking for Light just don't understand what the Dark-type is. Also...air? People are asking for AIR? Save me.
Because 2 more perfect Type triangles would just be awful for Pokemon. You are right though, the bulk of fans don't actually know what would be good for Pokemon, so Magic and Light are bad and Sound is good.
@@propheinx2250 Even Sound isn't. Sound is intrinsic to almost all creatures on some level, and the Pokemon and moves people would want made Sound type do fine or better as they are.
@@Orangeninja5000 honestly, the only type addition I'd be 100% on board with would be Typeless. Because Normal is supposed to be a stand in Typeless, but has a weakness and immunity, so it's not actually Typeless.
Yeah the Air one is really bad. But that being said I have had a number of my fanmade Pokemon stolen over the years, so outside of types we do fair a little better...
I'm actually upset they won't give us a crystal Onix. It's one of those things I've always wanted to see in the games.
Pure rock regional variant of Onix.
@@MrShadowThief I think pure steel type fits it better.
@@ZoofyZoof Yeah, the one in the anime was weak to Fire, after all.
@@Compucles as well as seemingly immune to water
We have mega steelix
Frankly, I feel that we already have redundant types. Rock/Ground could easily have been an Earth type, and there is a lot of overlap between Ghost and Dark.
If they combine some of those common ones, like rock/ground and normal/flying, and keep the effectiveness (like 4x grass, 1x fighting) then we can essentially have three types on the one Pokémon to spice up the more boring dual types.
Ghost are undead, Dark is evil, not all ghosts are evil
@@tear959 Only a few Ghost Pokemon are explicitly stated to be undead, and even if we assumed Ghost Pokemon were undead by default, that wouldn't explain the likes of Decidueye, for example.
@@Salnax Well... Ghosts are literally undead, thats the point, it doesnt need to be explicitly stated.
Also, this wasnt the point, not every ghost is evil, thats it.
@@tear959 I'm still caught up on the Ghost thing. Are Grass Pokemon usually a type of grass? Are all Bug types insects? Are Normal types boring?
The Light-type is covered by the Fairy-type, and to an extend, the Electric-type.
Normal also covers the Sound-type, as making sounds is a normal thing that many animals can do.
Flying is also the Wind/Air-type, and Ghost is basically the Shadow-type as many Ghost-type moves have the word "shadow" in it.
Also, Grass can be considered the "Life"-type as it has to do with not only plants, but also fungi, which are not plants but both are living organisms.
You can even think of the Fairy, Dragon and Psychic-types as the "Magic"-types.
In fact, many Pokemon types are a bit more complicated then they might seem at first, representing multiple things.
And you could say ghost is a subset of dark and rock is a subset of ground, and dragon is a subset of flying.
Also, a lot of animals can fly, and a lot of animals are bugs. I don't see how that's an indictment against a potential new type.
Sound could work on it's own the lots of sound based moves and sound based Pokémon tbh
Like, the only reason Wigglytuff is still normal type is because sing and hyper voice are
Sound is the only justifiable fan type ever tbh
Many pokemon who are not fairy and electric could be light type, type and you also can ceate angels pokemon for the light type as mega-absol
@@swampy725 every pokemon in existence growl.... so they would all have to be sound type cuz making sound is not unique at all. That is why the sounds moves that any pokemon could do by just screaming are normal type.
Nah, Normal and Sound types are really different things.
Most sound-based moves are Normal type just because there was any other type to fit in
Tbh, Cosmic type could be Pokemon adapted to live/created in the conditions of outer space or worlds with no atmosphere (like the moon), rather than those from all alien planets
If give moves based around cosmic and science phenomenons
Then wouldn’t it be better to call it space type? Space type would be much more thematically distinct from other types than cosmic
Or be reserved, only, for the godmon that wield the cosmic forces of creation.
@@JohnnyHikesSW space type doesn't roll of the tongue nearly as well
@@paulgrotebeverborg1119 there’s no evidence that Game Freak has ever selected types based on how well the word rolls off the tongue
I don’t really like Sound, due to there already being a property of moves being “sound” moves, which I like and want to keep. It makes moves like Bug Buzz unique. Although you could argue for a duo-type move, I don’t want too many (considering Overdrive, Boomburst, etc.) because Flying Press is a really unique move.
Actually, that’s precisely why sound should be a type.
Many types have something special about them, such as poison and steel types not being able to be poisoned, ground, rock, and steel being immune to sandstorm, dark types being immune to prankster, etc.
What if sound moves kept the ability to go through substitutes for their unique gimmick? And maybe we can add more moves that have dual typing for damage, to help diversify moves more
@@NameInWorkshop this is possibly the most copium reason i have ever read
sound is so incredibly common and specific that it wouldn't make sense as a separate type
not even mentioning the fact that it *CAN NOT* have any physical attacks
while also leaving the normal crippled as the only special move left would be tri attack
which might one day be changed into a multitype move
no i don't count trump card or wring out
no one counts trump card or wring out
sound is literally just special normal
@@vish5942 exacly, it falls on the same issue of light type.
we could argue about "make a physical move that releases sound on impact, that's a physical sound move" that would also apply to light and honestly most of the energy/emission based types such as gas, shadow, etc.
Besides i like Light type over Sound type, Light makes more sense as same Sound : A sub-type chared by various moves rather than a type itself.
I still think it would work by either changing the type of some moves and keeping the original type for those that are too intrinsically rooted in their original type (ie bug buzz). And moves that are related to a types still don’t have to be that type to work like Muddy Water. And on the subject of physical moves for the type, they could attack by doing an action that is know for its sound like an ear clap. And finally, to make clear what pokèmon could be this type would be pokèmon who could weaponize sound or make sounds with special effects.
@@Inksanity not every single one. Remember, being dual typed can just be the effect, like clanging scales and bug buzz, but moves like Hyper Voice and Boom Burst can absolutely be pure sound type (doesn’t make sense to have a dual typed normal-sound move, since there’s no benefit to be had there.)
My theory is that GF’s mindset is “light comes in numerous forms, so don’t restrict it to a single Type.” Kinda like Sound, since we have Bug Buzz, Clanging Scales, and such. Just allows for more potential when a move involving illumination isn’t forced at gunpoint to be called “Light.”
Fairy’s your “holy” magic, Psychic is your “celestial” magic, electric is… literal light, and Dragon’s more of a “Mana” take. Grass and Fire are more on the solar side.
If anything, I don’t think we need new Types, but funny enough a “plastic”-Type actually sounds awesome. That would give some WEIRD designs. Just buff Ice and Bug first.
Grass could actually be strong against Plastic since there is a fungus that is evolving to consume it. I don't know this for sure, but I think the same is true for some kind of insect, so Bug could beat it as well. Plus, it could beat Water and Fairy due to the whole pollution thing. You might be onto something here!
Plastic is silica, a mineral.
@@ironpulcinella3586 No, plastic is a generic term for all kinds of polymers of hydrocarbons. They're not silicon based.
pokemon cant impliment sounds type bcz of their history,
sound is not a pokemon type its a move type in games.
sound type moves could be of any type......
if a move is sound based then it will surpass substitute , thats its specialty
if they introduce sound type they have to fix a lot of stuff , like what would they do to all those sound moves which are made in earlier gen ?
like
primarina signature move - sparkling aria
parting shot
clangorous souls
clanging scales
bug buzz
metal sound
overdrive
etc etc
Weirdly, Steel is more of a "literal light" type, because of Flash Cannon and Mirror Shot.
Lockstin & Gnoggin said it best, the dark type isn't straight up darkness type nor is it the straight up evil type, it's both like how Umbreon isn't evil but it is nocturnal and the Z move black hole eclipse is straight up literal darkness. I don't Pokemon needs a new type, Pokemon feels complete with just 18 types, I know the most popular alternate type is sound but I don't think sound should be it's own type.
I agree they don't NEED new types, but a nice round 20 just feels right somehow...
Sound fits with the normal type since sound is a normal thing . I mean even trainers make sound does that make them the sound type
@@cinder2085 ikr, I was gonna mention something like that but sound moves aren't exclusively normal moves, they can be fairy, steel, water if you count Primarina's ability to turn sound based moves into water moves, and electric, but they are mostly normal moves.
But they can change Light Type to Holy Type there are so much they can do for a Holy Type.
They can base it on Creatures from the Bible and Mythology.
Even animals like Doves,Cats,Dogs Ect.
Even Holy Objects and Warriors.
Sound Type they can just name it
Music Type and Base it on Instruments and certain animals like Bats,Dolphin Ect.
@@youngreckless1608 Yeah I highly doubt Pokemon would ever add a Holy type because of their avoidance of religion, religion is a powerful tool that could split the fan base. Remember Pokemon has remove things that are even just slightly religious. Referring to the Holy type as the light type would alleviate those problems but then we'd run into the problems with the light type mentioned in the video. And if Pokemon does add holy moves into Pokemon then they can just make them fairy like how most sound base moves are normal type.
Im pretty sure Wood and Wind are usually used in pre-gen4 fan games as counterparts to Grass and Flying, but opposite attack types. Wood is physical Grass and Wind is special Flying.
Personally i'm kinda content with the types we have now, the type chart is in a good place as of now, where every type combo is weak to something and such.
I think this is due to type imbalance and some type are overpowered, like Fairy, Steel and underpowered, like Bug and Ice
@@SummerTokyoNeko balance is not good some types are destined to be stronger than others
@@daine322 You can have "some types are weaker then others" and not have Fairy and Steel types dominating every other type or ice basically being treated as a type that holds Pokemon. Ice types could be buffed to actually have some resistances and some more types could resist fairy.
@@willofthewinds3222 Ice type is meant to be a glass cannon. Steel and fairy are indeed better than others but they are meant to be. Fairy is meant to be one of the best offensive types in the game and steel is meant to be the uncontested best defensive type in the game. This idea isn't inherently bad, balanced types makes things uninteresting and somewhat confusing. all types have a unique niche. Some niches are better than others and some niches when paired together create a very strong synergy. You can't blame the type synergy just because it was given to the 160 attack box legendary dog.
@@daine322 Yes I can and I will continue to do so.
Besides, most Ice pokemon are defensive, not glass cannons, so acting like it is is false.
Light was only feasible before fairy. It's just the natural response to dark.
But I agree, Fairy was the best take on this, and was useful.
Much like how Steel shut down the OP Gen 1 Normal Type more than Rock and Fighting were already doing, and Dark shut down the OP Psychic type and then-gimmicky Ghost type, Fairy was mainly an answer to a fairly broken Dragon type that needed a hard counter.
At a young age, I wanted there to be an “Apex” type. It would be given to Pokémon that don’t evolve, but only to those that you’d have to breed and hatch eggs for, similar to shiny hunting. As an Apex Type, it would act more like a buff to a Pokémon’s current type (if they are mono-type. Those with 2 types would loose the type that was either weaker or didn’t hold up compared to the other type), and give it a boost in moves that made it sturdy and hard to beat, but not impossible. This kind of resembles how Ultra Beasts got their “beast boost” in mix with Galar having Gigantamaxing Pokémon hard to grind for.
Dumb idea, but I had to share it.
Interesting concept, definitely worth the share
Such a good idea
Fairy is the light type tho, its beats dark and was supposed to balance dragon and buff poison.
Ah yes. The light can is weak to poison thematically
Hmm yes, Light is famously vulnerable against steel after all
Yeah that's what he said in the video
Exactly, thank you...
Fairy weakness to poison and Steel is connected to what a Fae literally is.
As well as being strong to Dragon.
It being strong against dark can be seen as the Fairy "acting" as the light type replacement, tho fairies can beat the evil. (Kinda like fighting beats dark)
As for the Fighting type Idk
why it's strong against them
Because they made Fairy, video ends.
We should balance out the types we have already, major problems if we add ANOTHER new type
Buff ice by giving it more resistance and replace frozen with frostbite.
That’s what new types are for… you add a type that’s weak to bug and ice that need a boost and strong against types like fairy and steel which are maybe a bit to powerful and boom a balance fix
@@therockingvolbeat3630 ice type is so week right now people would rather play grass and bug type than ice type. If they buff ice type like they did with older types in the past before they would be better used. I would make ice resistant water, electric, ground and flying also removed frozen no one likes that status condensing and it percentage is too low with frostbite.
@@therockingvolbeat3630 yes but it’s not the only way. A better way is adding resistances, removing weakness, etc…
I could see an “Aura” type or something of that nature existing if they were to create a Pokemon game that took place in the same time frame as the war from the Lucario movie but I wouldn’t expect the typing to exist in games following.
When bug, dragon, fairy and ghost are possibilities I could see how other "creature" types would be entirely plausible, but I haven't come up with a good enough one.
The food type pokemon, literally every Pokémon based on food lol. can be weak to water, poison, ground and strong against bug, flying, fighting and dragon
@@JorjoGiovanna I have also thought about a type that would just be lore wise interesting, like a type for all viruses or bacteria of the world. Imagine SEEING the Pokérus for the first time.
@@JorjoGiovanna i feel like food and bug would be a two way super effective. Bugs need food too and some eat almost any food they find. Bug also needs a bit more love as a type, its one of the worst along with ice.
If I made a food type it would be like this.
Weak to: Water (Soggy food), Poison (Rotten/Poisoned food), Fire (Burns food), and Bug (Bugs eat food)
Resists: Psychic (Tempation), Grass (Plants are common ingredients), and Fighting (Certain foods can hurt fitness).
Strong Against: Psychic (Temptation), Fighting (Certain foods can hurt fitness), and Bug (Food can be used as a lure).
@@somerandommusicianSRM ahahahauha that's so fun man, really like it
Yeah most new types are not thought through in terms of what they would effective against and weak to. Thus, most new types are concepts that don’t have any physical manifestation (light, cosmic, plasma, music, time) so it’s impossible to imagine what elements it would be weak to or resist.
Agreed, the faiy type replaced the idea of the light type. I feel like the Magic type would be better since a lot of magical pokemon are psychic types like Lunala, Delphox and more even though their powers aren't psychological
The psychic type is the magic type.
Sound type is a way better idea
@@bob171 It really shouldn't tho, a lot of Psychic Pokemon just have magic, not psychological magic (literally the name of the type).
I also like the sound type more, I just said the magic type would be better than the light type as an alternative (excluding Fairy).
But I generally don't want a new type since even tho I like the idea of sound type, it's really not necessary.
Fairy and Psychic both cover the magical elements in their own way
@@bob171 BP-Bludgeon went into a good detail as to why we don't need a Sound type. People want it, but we don't need it. A type is only added when it is necessary
@@sweetie4655 I would argue that "Psychological Magic" (what would that even be, like Telekinesis or something, I think that's a Pokemon move) does exist with moves like Psybeam and Psychic and Psywave and Teleport and stuff like that, but also many Psychic types are described as being highly intelligent. Basically, any move classified as Psychic could probably be argued to be "Psychological Magic", and many magic users in fiction are also portrayed as intelligent as they are able to memorize many different spells in multiple languages and stuff like that. Not to mention magic is basically just manipulating different forces and energies and stuff like that, which Psychic type does already.
I would just like to say that Gamefreak doesn’t add types because they’re thematically appropriate to a lot of Pokémon; in all cases they are done to balance the game. Dark and Steel both countered the notoriously overpowered Psychic type and Steel was an answer the less noted but equally overpowered Normal Type in Gen 1. Fairy was created to keep the OP Dragons in check as well as counter Fighting Types, which were also very strong in Gen 5.
The issue is that now, Steel and Fairy are almost at the same point now as Dragon was in Gen 5: Steel resists more than half of the types, is immune to toxic, and hits Fairies for supereffective damage. Fairy Carries an important dragon immunity as well as being an over all incredibly balanced type that excels in both defense and offense, since nothing is immune to fairy damage aside from shedinja and it hits most types for at lea at neutral damage.
The Sound type would be a great answer to both; Sound could hit steel for supereffective due to how most metals reflect sound very well, being used in instruments like Trumpets, Saxophones, and Vibraphones. Sound could also hit Fairy for supereffective since Noise Pollution from cities is part of driving nature away from them; being that Fairy is a nature oriented type with the likes of nymphs and dryads, noise can hurt nature the same way that poisons can.
Only problem is that if you create a type to counter the strongest types, the new type becomes the strongest type.
@@Sanguine_Jackson not really.
@@Sanguine_Jackson just make it weak to most
Or could just buff or nerf existing types directly. Making a new type risks making that type the new strongest type and further hurting other types. Not to mention reworking so many current Pokemon to fit that.
Like, instead of making a new Sound Type, why not just buff Bug to be super effective against Fairy? Why not nerf steel by removing some of its resistance (like how Steel no longer resists dark).
What exactly would "sound" type even look like or even function? Don't all mons make noise? Idk
If anything I'd say new types as a way to "group" pokemon for gym battles. So that way you could battle a Light gym that features fairy/psychic, or mountain type that would include ground/rock/steel/ice perhaps
Cool!
" a couple dozen type match ups of the top of your head"
Me, who memorized the whole Type sheet: *sweats*
I was being generous, I know most of us know FAR too much about it...
Yeah, i agree with your points here. Sound or "Sonic" would actually be one of the few new types that could actually serve a purpose, cover a good number of existing mons and attacks, and provide a good base for new content too. From a scientific standpoint, i know that lots of attacks that wouldn't really qualify as sound use vibrations, but from a "common sense" standpoint there's a obvious difference between earthquake and sonic boom. It would also make it a bit easier for users to know which moves are covered by sound-related abilities, which already exist.
Also, it could give Ice another Resist. Snow dampens sounds. And Ice is currently the worst type in the game.
Sounds travels thru the air, tho.....not that anything sound-related should be flying type, but I would assume that a new weakness for flying would be sound or perhaps a resistance. It would be kinda like the relationship between water and lighting types.
I agree. Sound should eventually get to be its own thing
@@Psusanoo sound travels through everything just how our ears work it needs the air, but a fully subterranean wouldn't need the air since they'd feel the vibrations through their entire body.
@@bigkirbyhj666 I never said it didn't travel through everything. Though, what you are describing sounds more like a ground type, ngl.
As cool as “sound” is as a typing, that’s pretty much what the normal typing is. If it’s not a physical move, it’s a sound based move. Round, Sing, even Growl all fall under explicitly sound based moves and it’s all covered by the normal typing. Not to mention a lot of sound based pokemon are normal type too. Jigglypuff, Loudred, chatot, chimecho… all normal types (at least at one point) and all sound based in their concepts.
Normal is literally the easiest type to change around and fill in. Given there's already a class of sound moves, it's not a stretch to just turn those into a sound type as well as revert mons like Exploud or Chatots normal typing to Sound
Granbull, Togekiss, Clefairy for example were all normal types before fairy
@@fudouakio4759 I see what you’re saying, because it’s the exact same thing that I’m saying. But, those Pokémon changed they’re typing so it makes sense. If we add a sound typing, we have to add so many more Pokémon of that typing. So many normal moves have sound as their basis. Why not just leave normal as normal, and anything that I sound base is just normal/???? Type?
@@togaprentice9927 Whats wrong with adding more Sound pokemon in a region that would debut the type? Theres already enough mons and moves to change into it, and a new type would usually always be a beneficial thing to add if its able to flexibly fit
If you're worried about moves like Bug Buzz, maybe they can gain an added effect of being treated as also a sound type move.
@@fudouakio4759 what’s wrong with it is that we would eventually get to a Pokémon that’s literally just a sound wave with eyes and not be able to think of anything else.
They should just make Bug super effective against Fairy and Bug take less off Fairy - Knocks Fairy down and brings Bug up
Then make Ice Resist Water
OR
Just need to add the Sound Type which sole purpose is to drag Water, Fairy and Steel down from S tier to A Tier with the rest and bump Bug to good tier and Dark and Fighting back up to A Tier too
Super against
Water - Sound travels fast in water
Fairy - Sound Polution effects nature
Steel - Sound Travels fast in Steel
Psychic - Sound is irritating to the mind that is trying to concentrate - BUT Psychic now doesn't deal less damage to Steel and is now Neutral against Steel
Attacks Weak Against
Sound - Loud noises cancel each other out
Bug - Bugs are just as noisy as Sound
Flying - Sound can't interfere with Wind
Dark - Dark types are sly and sneaky not loud and brash
Fighting - Try screaming after someone has winded you
Defensive Advantage
Fairy
Water
Steel
Ground - Sound travels fast in the ground
NOT Psychic however they still deal normal damage
Defensive Type Disadvantage (Take damage against)
Bug - More for balance and as above
Ice - When your cold you can't get your breath to scream / More for balance
Dark - Dark types are sly and words can't harm them
Fighting - Again as above a good punch winds you making you unable to shout or sing
Now you see Sound travels fastest in solids but giving Rock, Grass, Ground and Ice another set of weaknesses will just off the types . So steel can be the Solids candidate and Water is the Liquid
I disagree with the fairy having a bug weakness i think simply making fairy lose its bug resistance and maybe making bug resist fairy should be fine enough as fairy is honestly not really deserving of a new weakness it is a great type sure but most fairies tend to just be decent mons that if given another weakness would falter pretty easily it's mainly just the fairy legendaries that tend to be broken and that's less because they have the fairy type and more because they were given amazing abilities and stats in addition fairy being weak to bug would cause u-turn to be even more prevalent than it already is which would not be too great and finally the bug type really isnt that bad it has quite a few great qualities like resisting ground and the bug type has some pretty great mons such as scizor and volcarona plus besides like 1 or 2 outliers bug is the only type with pokemon that learn quiver dance which is pretty much the best boosting move in the game
i’ve quite literally never heard of wind or wood getting brought up 😭😭 PLASTIC? y’all pls be serious
Yeah, some people don't get it...
Honestly I don't think we'll ever get a sound type, because normal type is already the sound type. I mean every single sound-based move (besides signature moves) is normal type, and not to mention most pokemon that could receive the sound type are already normal, such as Exploud, Meloetta, and Chatot.
bug buzz aint singature tho
@@Pixel_PedroYT I honestly forgot bug buzz was a move when writing this comment but I don't think it really changes whether or not they would add a sound type. It's literally called bug buzz, it's made to be a bug type move.
@@hazelmarill I mean, yeah, bug buzz won’t change if they add the sound type, but then Pokémon with Soundproof would still be affeceted by it. Since there’s a sound type, why keep sound based moves, when an entire type would consist of only these moves? There are also many other sound moves that have a type in their name like Metal Sound and Grass Whistle, and some that don’t, but would be better as not being of a different type like Overdrive and Sparkling Aria. What if Soundproof suddenly was affected by them? Sound type would have been better to have been added earlier, as now I just feel like there is no turning back, or everything changed and many problems appear.
A couple years back I remember one of my friends saying that there should be a divine type for arceus That should make them strong against everything and resistant to everything ow I'm here looking at legends arceus and I'm like
... well he got what he asked for.. I guess.
I love how this video is essentially a call out
A hypothetical Sound-type suffers from many of the same problems as a Light-type; it's way too omnipresent in other types.
@Choas_Lord_512 What, and you think adding a few new moves and Pokémon, changing the types of a few moves and Pokémon is going to fix the problem. Sound is omnipresent in basically every type, it isn't just represented by the Normal type.
@Choas_Lord_512 Ahem:
Bug Buzz, Clanging Scales, Clangerous Soulblaze, Disarming Voice, Eerie Spell, Grass Whistle, Metal Sound, Overdrive, Parting Shot, Shadow Panic, Snarl, Sparkling Aria, and Torch Song.
As for existing Pokémon:
Primarina, Chingling, Chimecho, Noivern, Altaria, Meloetta, Kricketune, Lapras, Jigglypuff, Oricorio, Kommo-o, Zubat, Golbat, Crobat, Woobat, Swoobat, Politoed, Skeledirge, etc.
@ChaosLord5129 Counterpoint: but why though? What positive good does the Sound type bring to the game? How would it work on the type chart, and how would you justify those decisions? These perennial fan types never stand up to scrutiny.
I just wish they would rename the Flying type Wind or Air or something. I want Pokemon that can attack with wind, but not fly, like a elephant that blows with its trunk.
Agreed! Flying limits how far you can go, because then you have to limit the mon to the ability Levitate
@@nikaoharbour6962 Well the thing is, something that is Wind Based but doesn't Fly is basing itself to a walking speed, you might as well then be a Normal type with access to Flying type Wind moves.... What makes it a Wind type other than using Wind based moves? Why does it have its weaknesses/resistances? Flying types have an immunity to ground because they're Not on the ground... why would the Non-Flying Wind type have that?
@@durk5331 agree with you on this
I mean there are pokemon that are flying type that represent the wind element rather than being birds that flap their wings. (Gyarados, Rayquaza, Genies, Rotom-Fan etc.)
But the whole point of the Ground immunity is that every Flying type and Levitate user (except for Doduo, Dodrio, and Gyarados) can be airborne in some manner. Similarly, it's also why Flying has the other weaknesses and resistances that it does.
An elephant blowing wind with its truck would simply make use of Flying type coverage moves without being the type itself like the Piplup line getting Peck and Drill Peck or everything that gets Aerial Ace.
I wanna see a mystery type and over the course of the game the player collects data for all mystery pokemon amd if theyve all been caught the type is revealed
Huh, that actually sounds really cool! Maybe as a gimmick for one game that could work, and it would actually make the Pokedex a huge feature for the first time in a long while...
That sounds fascinating as a concept. Finding a bunch of Pokémon with an unlabeled type, determining its strengths and weaknesses, trying to figure out what its true nature is by seeing what similarities exist among all the Pokémon that have the type, and then the eventual reveal as a reward for your efforts. The biggest problem I see with this is that if this was ever done in an official Pokémon game the true type would be shown all over the internet openly the day of release and 99% of people would be spoiled way before getting the chance to have too much fun actually exploring the mystery. Could be super awesome for a fan game but it still might be hard to avoid having the mystery spoiled.
The day when the world finds out that the ??? type was actually the XXX type.
It would match well with a certain Pokémon Legends game or even a possible new one in the future.
Mystery type is already a type It's just restricted to just one move: curse
Personally, I don't see why the Fighting-type has the name it does. They're Pokemon that like fighting or are disciplined in fighting, which makes very little sense when you quickly realize a good portion of the Pokemon games is the Pokemon actually fighting each other. Now, it could be due to a translation error when localizing the original series, but a type being called Fighting just seems kind of pointless to me. To be fair, a type that is all about physical discipline and being ready to fight does make sense; it's the choice of name for the type have an issue with. Calling it something like the Martial-type would make more sense, it still gets the point across but it doesn't quick stick out as a name for one of the core mechanics for the game as well.
Or just Normal. Because if you don't have special powers you're just normal.
Yeah, it's not a great name, like Flying, something like Martial type or something would fit better than a verb...
i understand this point, but then again, you're just generalizing at this point as well. fighting isn't all that the pokemon do in the pokemon world nor what the pokemon are known for. it's not like snorlax is known as a pokemon to fight, but rather the complete opposite, unlike machamp, who has superhuman strength and is more related to martial arts and stuff. so, although a change of name would make sense, imo, "fighting" still works cause it's not necessarily what every pokemon is known for
@@climbhazzrd4313 I know it seem that way, and I did define the type with some broad strokes, but I was also trying to point out such things in the context of the games.
Martial comes from mars which was the roman god of war
So if we're being nitpicky, "fighting" and "martial" are not different words at all anyways..
9:30 Actually, these are not the same thing, appearently. In japanese, these are called "Shadow Pokemon", which may not be strange at first glance, but the type in the gen 3 spinoffs was called "Dark".(With this being changed to Shadow in the west because the Evil-type was already localized as Dark.)
10:44 I feel like that shouldn't count, considering it was already implemented(As in, it is an official type), but was just removed in Gen 5.
Also, I thought at one point that the Sound type would indeed be neat since it meets the proper conditions to easily be inserted. But then I noticed that...yeah, it doesn't really play well with the typechart. Sure, we could just pick whatever arbitrary type-interactions we want like what GF partially did with the Fairy-type,(Why is Fire resistant to it?) but that defeats the point of it being a specific type. It could just be called "Balance patch 3.0-type" at that point.
Fairy is somewhat connected to a few things that Grass and Bug are. I think that's why Fire resists it.
Also to back on the Dark meaning evil thing, in japan Dark Type is literally called Evil Type so there's no hidden meaning there they straight up tell you this type is considered Evil
I am honestly really sick and tired of hearing people say they want the Light type, the Sound type, and the Cosmic type. I hope they never get added.
Adding types shouldn't be done without a reason. Dark type was needed to balance against Physic type. Fairy is needed because Dragon type was getting more abundant and needed to balance against them. Steel was added as a more defensive type as moat types are poor defesnively.
The only thing they need to do is add more resistances and remove weaknesses to ice type and give bug type a mire offensive edge.
They are all way too similar to Psychic, Fairy, Dragon, Ghost and Dark, and sound based moves are kind of a subset of moves of other types, splitting them off into a seperate type would actually limit a lot of creativity with them. I also feel this when people suggest Radiation type, everything you could do with that is already covered by what Psychic, Poison, Fire, Electric, etc represent. People just want new types without any reason, just for something new.
10:45 the fact you're open to the idea of a sound type; you sir got a like from me!
One type I was thinking about is a "Gas" type, It obviously will overlap a lot with Poison and Fire because Sulfur is a thing that exist, but not all Gases are poisonous, in particular i'd like to see a brand new pokemon based on Neon lights, and Neon being a noble gas would fit perfectly
Besides "Gas" could bend its definition to fit more into a "Smell" type side giving some Grass types a second typing thanks to that flowery smell I'm sure some of them have, as well as other pokemon that use both good and bad smells to either protect themselves or attract prey
The obvious pokemon that could become gas type would be:
-Ghastly becoming Gas/Poison (tho Haunter and Gengar would stay as Ghost/Poison since they both stop being gasses and become just regular ghosts)
-Koffing and its evolution Wheezing would become Gas/Poison too
-Torkoal who emanates some type of smoke, likely sulfur, constantly is an obvious Fire/Gas
-Drifloon and Drifblim who are quite litterally hellium balloons are an obvious Ghost/Gas
-Munna's evolution, Musharna, emits some sort of gas that quote "makes your nightmares a reality", this is likely to be 'laughing gas' or Nitrous Oxide
Then as I said one of the smell based pokemon that could also fit would be Spritzee and Aromatisse since they both specialize is creating pleasent smells to attract others
Of course theres also many other "smell based" pokemons that justify themselves as poison types since well they produce a bad smell, not quite a toxic smell more like an annoyance, the one they produce, an example would be the oddish like that makes pollen that many people are allergic too, but like all flowers i'm sure many others are completely inmune to the allergies it can produce and kind of enjoy the smell of fresh spring pollen, not quite what I'd expect of a Poison type, but many would disagree so whatever
It's not the most well developed idea for a new type since I'm only 1 person, but I hope others can see there could be potential to make something cool here
Shoutout to the Kevin Levin cameo
I think maybe an "artifical" type could be a good way to cover stuff like cyber/rubber/plastic/any other man-made type. Plus with artificial being so broad it could have lots of old pokemon become artificial types and plenty of new pokemon ideas to fit it and different enough from normal and steel for dual types with them to work too! The one drawback is that I a matchup chart is lost on me right now. Maybe something with normal? Beats grass bug and water? Some type of electric and/or steel synergy? Ground weakness maybe? Something about the fragility of artificial stuff compared to nature with ground but also beating grass and bug to show how artificial things can fight nature down as well? Really just immediate thoughts and nothing super planned out
The problem is that weaknesses and effectiveness for all of those materials would be quite different.
SE
Fairy/Electric/Steel
Not SE
Psychic/Ghost
Resistance
Fairy(immunity)/Electric/Steel
Weakness
Dark/Ghost/Bug
(crap I give it the same weaknesses as Psychic)
Rapidash/Ponyta Light Type would be lit! Really liked the chart!
I had an idea for a Iron type, it was going to be an extinct type that used exist until it was driven out when Steel pokemon emerged. This type would be given to only one successfully restored fossil pokemon species, this unique type would be main gimmick of said pokemon.
The Steel type is misnamed in the first place, as there are plenty of existing Steel type Pokémon that are made of iron or other metals. The TCG actually has it right in this case with its Metal Energies.
@@Compucles Honestly it doesn't have to be the Iron type, I just think it could be cool to have an extinct type that can be restored with one of it's original pokemon that bared the type.
I think you could implement 2 things: Subtypes of a single type - like different fighting styles in the fighting type (karate, wrestling, boxing etc) that can actually be super effective against other subtypes of the same type.
Subtypes of intersecting types (ie steam could be a subtype of fire and water)
I don’t think we really need any new types right now but Light wouldn’t be bad IMO. Rock/Ground and Normal/Fighting are just a redundant as Light or Sound would be to Fairy.
I thought the same with fighting but I get it being from gen 1 as the only thing that beat normal.
I mean it would've made rock more useful to be super effective against normal
Yet without fighting, then those mons would probably be normal, adding a bunch more mons I wouldn't be playing with because they're a useless type
I feel unknown should have a unique ability to give it the secret power typing but still keep it a mystery until we can figure what type it is
Light type does exist. It's just called fairy type
"Cosmic" or "space" is much more viable than you presented here in my opinion. Ice needs more resistances & "space" is a logical choice because the cold vacuum of space wouldn't bother literal ice. Furthermore, "looking alien/based on a celestial body" is perfectly fine as a unifying theme. Lastly, they invented the dark type yet did not give it to any gen 1 Pokemon so the number of current Pokemon who could fit a hypothetical type is a minimally valuable criterion in the first place.
This guy gets it!
and what would it do that the psychic type doesn't already do
no
You could just make Ice resist Water and Flying or something, there is no need for a new type to balance Ice.
Lmao Is not
It seems that the inclusion of the Fairy type was what the typing system needed (dragons had an unfair advantage for too long). There’s no real need for any further types. What they can do is alter the type interactions if they want to tweak balancing. I’d like it if normal type got renamed to something a little more interesting (beast type, maybe?) but that’s not really a big deal.
not only is there no need. there's not really anything that could work as just about every concept could be made into a mono or dual typed pokemon using existing types
it's almost as if fairy type has the SAME PROBLEM.
There's absolutely a need, fairy type, as well as steel, are far too powerful. Meanwhile bug and ice are the worst types by far.
Sound type is the best type suggestion I've seen so far.
It is different enough to not be redundant, its place on the type chart can be theorized pretty easily, there is already pokemon and moves that are sound based, and it fits with the pokemon universe (aka can be seen in nature)
I think people should see jelloapocalpyse's video on making a sound type. It might not solve most the issues brought up in this video, but it does actually attempt to assign the type to pre existing pokemon, and also doesnt take itself too seriously and is very funny.
I have a question. When scarlet and violet come out can you do a video about the missing type specialist and what if all Pokémon dull type. Remake them for gen 9
Oh, for sure! Yeah, I plan to do ALL the series for the Gen 9 region, even the new Triple Types one...
Honestly, I think the Sound type runs into the redundancy issue as well. Most moves that'd be considered Sound are already covered adequately by the wind subcategory of Flying moves, by Grass, Bug, or Steel for sounds made by specific implements, Normal type, and so on. And I've never seen a _good_ list of proposed strengths and weaknesses that would both help to balance the game _and_ follow logically from how sound actually operates, only ever one or the other. We don't _need_ another thing for Steel and Water, already two of the best types, to resist and we don't _need_ another thing for Rock and Ice, neither particularly good types defensively at this point, to be weak to.
Fairy was redundant with Psychic and Ghost _conceptually_ when introduced, but it actually made the game a lot more balanced and its weaknesses were mostly logical. Steel was redundant with Rock when introduced, but was made distinct enough mechanically to justify its existence.
As someone who has worked with the idea of adding a sound type to Pokémon, it isn't that hard to balance. Heck it would probably be super effective against water and steel since sound travels better in solids and liquids than in gasses such as air. I could also imagine it being super effective against fairy as loud noises and chants can chase away Fey creatures. The actual difficulty comes from making logical weaknesses for sound type that could help balance the type chart. Though personally I'd go with it being weak against Bug, Poison, and Psychic types
@@jimmynason6833 Your list is literally just "make it weak to types that are weak, strong to types that are strong" and the only one in that whole list that flows logically for Sound as a type is Fairy being weak to it. Better to come up with a _different_ "elemental" concept that can justify being strong against at least two of Fairy, Dragon, Steel, and Water and weak to at least two of Bug, Grass, Poison, and resisted by Ice.
Basically, there's no _conceptual_ niche that Sound as a type can fit to justify tossing it in for "balance" reasons.
@@RoninCatholic I literally described how it would be strong against water and steel, as for the weaknesses Poison can cause sickness which can mess up people's ability to talk, psychics can block out meaningless noise(though honestly it could go either way) and bug's are generally resistant to noise and some of their bites can cause similar types of congestion. Also snow can dampen sounds, giving them a resistance. As I mentioned I'm more proud of my super advantage list rather my weaknesses list
@@jimmynason6833 Except neither water nor steal are _explained or justified_ as to why Sound would be highly effective against them. Indeed, Water is alongside Ground and Grass as an obvious thing to _resist_ Sound, and if using the "vibrations break hard, solid objects" logic to make Steel weak (an argument could be easily made to make Steel resist Sound) then it'd also hurt Rock (already mediocre) and Ice (terrible, especially defensively).
@@RoninCatholic perhaps I should go into more detail why water would be weak against sound. Not only do sound waves travel better in water, they also become amplified in water. Military Sonar, echolocation, the "Bloop", and Mantis Shrimp attacks are great examples of this. If a type's medium massively increase the range and power of another type than it should be weak to said type, just as water is already weak to electricity. I am also aware that you could make the same argument I made for steel being weak towards sound as one could for rock being weak to it, though even if it could make sense I'd still hold off on it for game balance. Besides this isn't the only obvious weakness Pokémon typings have ommited
I mean, I assumed the Light type would be actually called Holy type in Japan, and is meant to be the "good" type as opposed to the dark type, which is the evil type. But Fairy is our Light type under a different name.
Uther Fairybringer lmao
Yeeeeah, I was thinking about it as a type (and drew a pokemon card thing for it before Fairy types even came out) but Fairy just kind of takes that spot.
I think the main reason people want a wing type is to decouple air and bird from each other
I believe they want to separate and distinct the same way as rock and ground type
I mean, Flying almost WAS the "Bird" Type, so they already tried to do that. But even then the first Generation had Butterfree, Scyther, Dragontie, so it was never just birds...
@@emperorcubone if they did do that then flying type would be the fighting type of the sky. Who wants a wing tackle by a giant bird with muscles.
I mean, Fairy is technically our Light type. Alot of the moves use Light to attack.
Also, alot of the moves are more "cute/cuddly" oriented as opposed to Dark type's more brutal/dirty attacks that actually use Dark energy as shown by the animations.
The way I see it, Normal, Fire, Grass, Steel, and especially Electric already covered many aspects of Light, and the introduction of Fairy was the final nail in the coffin.
@@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 Kinda? Each type you listed has 2 or 3 actual Light based moves while Fairy consists of mostly Light based attacks.
Then again, this is the same series where Air/Wind and Darkness/Shadow have been lumped with other typings despite Flying and Dark existing 🤔🤷🏽
@@mersunarytigre I seriously don't understand why Razor wind is a Normal type move, but Shadow has always been Ghost's thing. I do agree with Fairy being our light type.
I really think the sound type makes sense. After all, we already have the mechanic of sound-based moves and abilities. These moves could become sound type and the mechanic could be expanded. There are also several existing Pokémon that would fit the theme aesthetically, like noivern, toxtricity, and loudred, among others. WolfeyVGC has a great speculative video about the sound type idea!
Loved the video from the moment I saw its thumbnail. The types work the way they are. I would just like the flying type to _change_ to air type, because I think it would allow the type to have more concepts - for example, Exploud makes sense as an air type for me, but not flying type. But then, being airborne or earthbound should become an "internal" atribute of each pokémon (to the likes of whether a move makes contact or is sound based). I also think this is a good idea to free pokémon that flies or levitate from spending a type slot with flying - Magnezone for example, clearly is airborne but is not flying type or has levitate as an ability. Exploud could be an air type but earthbound, Lugia could've been Psy/Water but airborne etc etc.
I agree this makes sense, although it would take a lot of work to balance since Flying and Levitate are specifically given to Pokemon that should have it for that reason. For example Gengar is airborne but had Levitate removed since it was too powerful.
I actually like that airborne mechanic, I think that'd be really cool! And maybe some kind of inverse for Pokemon underground or something?
The Light type could cover multiple ideas similar to Fairy-type; divine or godly powers and magic, cosmic, plasma and light rays (I think most plasma-like moves and Pokemon are already covered by the lightning and fire types, so I wouldn't replace those typings).
Two major things make this idea no longer viable in the series. The first is that this typing would need to have been introduced before the Fairy type to work for moves and typing. The Fairy type already covers multiple ideas that the Light type would, this means that the Fairy type would need to cover much less than it does and while I think that would be a good thing it's much too late now.
The second is only really one Pokemon that I know of truly embodies the idea and wouldn't need to be reworked to introduce this typing, Nekrozma. All other Pokemon would need to be changed or reworked in some way to properly fit the typing.
So while the Light type could work in concept it's much too late to be introduced now. It could work in a fan game or spin-off but it needed to be introduced around the same time as the Fairy type to fit in the mainline games.
Give me a celestial beings composed of light energy with a white and gold carapace / exoskeleton to give it shape. than got yourself a holy energy angel pokemon. Fairy type don't have a much light base attack what people actually believe. At most fairy have as much of dust, smell, wind and enchanted focus.
@@majesticgothitelle1802 moonlight… moonblast(a ball of moonLIGHT)… dazzling gleam… fairy type is light type
@@jamilf9947 fairy is more magic or wizard type. Fairy winds, aromatic mist, crafty shield and disarming voice.
Definitely the Sound type would be my choice. I've been wanting this type for years now.
how would you make it? Every pokemon can make sounds. It's not something unique like having Flora based powers, breathing fire, or just being a magical being. That's why the pokemons that are sound based are normal type, and many sound moves are also normal type. The only one sthat aren't have reasons not to be. Bug buzz is bug type for obvious reason and that one Dragon type sound move ( I forgot the name ) is dragon beceause it use scales to produce sounds, and scales are something that Dragons have.
@@dieghautdeforme5049 what if you renamed it to something like the “noisy” type? That way it differentiates pokemon who are known for being sound-based (whismur line, kricketot line, etc) from all other ‘mons.
@@ryanloftus then we how do you make a "Noisy type" pokemon? Everything can be noisy if you decide it to be. Should Guzzlord be Noisy type? Because that thing sure can scream.
If there were any more types worth adding, I think it would be a "Cosmic" type, but you made a good point on it as well.
Hear me out.
What if, as a generational gimmick, type fusions became a thing to allow for triple type. Lava being fire and ground, cyber being steel electric, and etc, having the same functionality, but allowing a third type on top.
@martin competitive is the worst part about Pokemon. A bunch of crybabies
@@hiei248 finally someone says it
Well I had no idea at the time, but terrestrializing isn't too far off this idea. It does in a way give them a third type.
Light type sounds like a cool idea, but the problem is that it would be too similar to the Fairy type. As much as I would like to have another type, I honestly don’t know which type they can add that wouldn’t be similar to a type that already exists. At the very least, if we don’t get another type, I want gen 9 to introduce a brand new Eevee Evolution for a type that it doesn’t have an evolution for yet like Dragon or Poison.
Anyways, great video! 👍
Light might have made since before Gen 6, but I just don't get how it has stuck around... New Eeveelutions though would be awesome!
How would the element of light be similar to fairy?
I always thought the cosmic type would be the only thing that makes sense to me. I know they’re normally under the Psychic type but space and psychic powers aren’t similar enough to me.
Minior, Cleffa line, Staryu line, Elgyem line, Solrock/Lunatone, Deoxyxs, Cosmog line, and Necrozma are all coming to mind for me. Pokémon with already two types can have their Psychic types replaced and the ones that are only single types can have it added.
Of course not every Pokémon that comes from a different universe would get the cosmic type, but the ones that are most commonly associated with space itself are the ones that come to mind.
I always liked the idea of going with the noun named types, and instead of calling it cosmic, call it alien. Following science fiction tropes of a Martian. Make it weak to fire, and the currently nonexistent sound type. I feel like alien, similar to fairy, functions as a larger umbrella category.
Space should be strong against sound, tho
The cosmic type could simply account for the fact that the Pokémon can live in space, so that not every alien Pokémon must be cosmic
Also "alien" doesn't make sense, since, at example, Cosmog or Minor aren't aliens, one is a star (using a meteorite shell) and the other is just made of stardust.
@@bodgmasterxionobst3r983 fair points
I like to view the fairy typing as the “light type equivalent” because it’s super effective against dark types and it has a moonlight motif. It also helps that Xerneas if a fairy type and is known as the life Pokemon.
I really like the idea of a sound type and the one that I prefer to add is a fungi type, just because I hate that fungus are treates like plants in Pokemon is easy to add just like switching the grass for fungi from morellul, shinotic, paras, parasect shroomish, brelloom, foongus, amoongus
I don’t get the obsession with the light and sound type or really just wanting another type added.
True, fans are never content with what they have. But please, don't sully the Sound type by equating it the Light type...
@@emperorcubone But they can change Light Type to Holy Type there are so much they can do for a Holy Type.
They can base it on Creatures from the Bible and Mythology.
Even animals like Doves,Cats,Dogs Ect.
Even Holy Objects and Warriors.
Sound Type they can just name it
Music Type and Base it on Instruments and certain animals like Bats,Dolphin Ect.
@@youngreckless1608 They will not add the Holy type to Pokemon. I lived through the Pokemon is the devil phase, and there are still people who say that. The Holy type just invites more.
@@darththeo eh Pokemon is for everyone not just christion
@@emperorcubone it is however, both merely describe a characteristic of the move but the actual typing is how it is produced.
The only types that may still be implemented are the sound type and possibly a space/astral/celestial type
I still don't know about cosmic; it seems to just be covered by Psychic. (Deoxys, Solrock/Luntone, Starmie, Elgyem, etc...)
Then again, Psychic makes sense with just a few of them.
Beheeyem, at example, I view them as a Cosmic / Psychic Type,
Psychic because it's a stereotypical alien, and therefore is smarter than humans
Seriously, Ultra Necrozma doesn't make sense as a Psychic type lol
It is literally made of Light.
@@bodgmasterxionobst3r983 So...it should have been fairy/dragon?
@@forgerofsouls9126 I mean, it is an underutilized type combo, only used by mega altaria.
i would actually LOVE to see comebination types (ground + rock being earth type, would combine all the weaknesses and resistenses but making it single instead of double, this could make tyranitars whole lineup an earth dark type and so on, same for the cyber typing, it could be for stuff like magnemite, making it only take 1x super effective from ground etc. this could also mean it could get another typing on top tho at least for magnemite i dont see that being relevant (tho i can see a lot of cyber + psychic/fighting/dark/grass types) just imagine a regional trevenant with cyber grass typing, sounds cool and not too gimmicky if you ask me. not sure about other typings that could mash together if a pokemon is both of those types. maybe water ice (idk what it could be called) but i guess for those types to exist it would have to be only for a few combinations (2-4?). cant wait for the first cyber earth pokemon, technically the first quad typing (if that would ever happen ofc)
This very properly conveys my annoyance with new type suggestions. Even sound is redundant, as Normal acts as the stand in with Hyper Voice, Echoed Voice, Boomburst, Roar, and Uproar all being normal. Sound is also more of a "sub type", where it has its own properties such as going through Substitute, but that also means that other moves with types already can't have the Sound type. We cannot afford to lose one of two Special Bug type moves for the sake of having more Sound moves. It's kind of like if Bite was made into its own type. What would happen to Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang, Psychic Fang, Poison Fang, etc?
The only solution I could see is if we have a huge overhaul of the types, making moves able to be two types like Flying Press as just a regular thing. At a point I can also see some of the other types that are redundant being added like Light.
radiation is naturally occurring though? like harmful levels that could harm other pokémon too... in addition a lot of things you don't think about in your everyday are slightly radiative just not enough to cause damage but being as this is pokémon they could design mons based on those things and just amp up the radiation since it's a fictional world after all
Vague types like Dark can have multiple meanings, and something doesn't have to be a clean opposite of them.
You could say Fairy and Dragon are opposites, but both are vague yet united with ties to magic and/or legend.
A light type would need to focus more on it as energy than magic, unless the "magic" is very clearly light.
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I don't think se need a Light type really, but it seems like the most plausible new type concept. Mostly I like the idea of Grass being immune to Light because photosynthesis.
Crystal is well covered by Rock as you say, and Sound fits Normal well as natural abilities: Normal energy moves are basically either pure energy, or sound.
Dark isn't vague. It's the evil type. The Japanese name is "aku", which literally means evil. That's why dark type moves are about fighting dirty, and why the noble martial artist type wins against them. It's why there are dark types that fit tropes like evil ghost, heel wrestler, mafia bird, or hellhound.
@@lordpessimism It also covers literal darkness.
@@Galgus2000 Except there aren't any dark-type moves or pokemon that are about darkness.
@@lordpessimism Dark Pulse, Night Daze, and Umbreon associated with night, tied to darkness off the top of my head.
One thing I think would be interesting if taking WolfeyVGC's video on making a new type based on balancing/meta reasons and trying to fit a theme or themes that best fit those strengths and weaknesses.
As someone who likes thinking about types like this, adding new types is one way of balancing the types so that, for example, Ice and Rock aren't as bad as they are now. Typically, new types are the best way to change it, as changing the base will confuse veterans, and it lets people understand how each type interaction works. Too bad a lot of these types are quickly taken down as redundant.
Two types that are redundant are actually Ground and Rock. Ground is more based on loose soil, stuff that can easily shift around, while Rock represents more sedimentary stuff. The same could be said comparing other new types; Psychic is more based upon esper and the mind while Cosmic is focused on space and aspects related to space.
In my opinion? Light, as an actual physical thing, could be related to prisms and vibrant colors, or the absence of them, has a good shot at arguing itself as a type. In terms of fictional light magic, Fairy definitely has it covered, but I'd prefer focusing more-so on actual light rather than the implied holiness of it. Same with Sound; while a lot of Normal moves are part of this Soundproof class of moves, it's distinct enough that you could argue for it to be distinct. Many Pokemon have Sound-based designs, and having a distinct type would help set them apart and make Normal a bit less crowded, though moves like Overdrive would have to be reworked in some strange ways, same with Toxtricity.
sound or cosmic type would be cool. there are many space themed pokemon like beheeyem, minior, solrock, cosmog.
I don’t know about many
@@MrSponge56 starmie, clefable, deoxys, lunatone, claydol.
many pokemon got the psychic type slapped on when their theme is space. Cosmic and Sound could also function like Dragon and Fairy or Dark and Psychic, because there's no sound in space.
@@dankeykang8243 well psychic has a sub-theme of space lol. psychic has three sub-themes: your standard idea of psychic, space and aliens, and arcane magic. some types are like this while others are more straight forward. acid is not a toxin, but it falls under poison type. should we also make a specific type to cover corrosiveness?
@@digitalgloop12 well yeah right now psychic encompasses cosmic stuff but that could be changed, right? Lol nothing's actually stopping that
I feel like Nuclear is interesting specfically in that it infects sinces its man made, and its context in pokemon uranium fits. Its similar to Shadow Pokemon for me in its concept.
Yeah Pokemon in uranium only because nuclear cause of a nuclear plant failure and TPC would never do that
I feel like Nuclear is the only type that is different enough to work, but obviously it's never going to happen. I found the way it was handled in that game extremely lazy, so I made my own idea for it: It is strong against Normal, Fighting, Psychic, Dragon, and Fairy, resisted by Water, Bug, Rock, Ghost, and Nuclear, ineffective on Steel, weak to Water, Ice, and Steel, and resistant to Normal, Fighting, Psychic, Fairy, and Nuclear.
there is one thing with the flying and wind type thing, and that is if they wanted to do a pokemon that cant fly but has wind powers then it would be hard, since they could have the flying type but they cant fly. for example; i came up with the idea of a grass porcupine than manipulate its quills via wind, but it cant fly, but what type do i give it? electric doesnt work, it cant fly, so the only thing left to do is change it from wind to psychic manipulation instead, which takes away heavily from the idea. maybe if they did want to do this in some way then they could just change the flying type to wind via name only, keeping the bird moves but adding upon the wind ideas.
edit: they could rename the flying type to air that way it could encompass both birds and wind, making it so they dont have to change type relations but giving more leeway with pokemon with general wind properties. just an idea though.
I think that lava would be a really cool idea it would be like rock and ground pretty much the same type but they have their differences it would be the same for lava in the fire
My suggestions just always been the Sound type, which as you said is very plausible.
Yeah, it just makes sense
Honestly I think it being more of a move modifier makes more sense, since so many things can make a sound and how it bypasses stuff like sub would be too overpowered if it's own type imho.
@@bigkirbyhj666 How many sound moves bypass sub?
@@durk5331 All sound based moves(and non sound based ones Hyperspace Hole, Hyperspace Fury, Play Nice, and Spectral Thief )
@@bigkirbyhj666 Only ones I saw that can bypass Subs were Echoed Voice & Hyper Voice >.> like Boomburst, Bug Buzz, Chatter, Clanging Scales, Clangorous Soulblaze, Disarming Voice, Noble Roar, Overdrive, Relic Song, Round, Snarl, Snore, Sparkling Aria, & Uproar just don't >.>
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Aren't special moves technically magic though? Introducing a "Magic" type would make ~%50 (don't know the exact amount) of moves a single type.
Yeah magic is just dumb
You bring up some very valid points. I see Sound, Factory (Which is just man-made pokemon) and Astral (Basically Cosmic type) of those fan types. And to be fair, I have a hard time separating Factory from Steel and Electric and Astral is covered pretty much by Psychic anyway. If anything, if we are talking balance I'd say Steel and Electric need the most in terms of nerfing. As Steel has tons of resistance and Electric is only weak to ground. As well as Fairy, as that too has too few weaknesses.
I also think Psychic actually needs some help now, since it's fallen a long way from its glory days. (Also buff Ice!!!)
Psychic doesn't make sense for Cosmic mons. Like seriously wtf does a star have to do with mind?
Tbf we have Water / Ice, Fighting / Normal and Ground / Rock
Cosmic seems different enough from Psychic to be its own type
New Meta would like a word with you! They made the cosmic and light type work incredibly.
I think the parasite type would be a good idea and the mushroom on paras back would be it's own pokemon
but parasite can be many things, mushrooms, plants, bug. It would not make any sence to had a type like this since we already have types to cover it
IMO sound makes most sense. Or some balancing of Ice, Bug vs Steel and Fairy
Agree
You make great points.
I like the idea of pseudo types, like how sound moves have their own unique characteristics, immunities and even a sort of STAB bonus with Punk Rock
Ngl, I think the only decently good type I can see in the future that has been fanmade would be Sound.
Types should admittedly be a special occurrence. Types like Dark, Steel and Fairy were mainly made to nerf OP types and also give some other types like Bug and Poison more coverage.
We need one type to buff ice type
@@krzx4259 I unfortunately feel like Sound would be a Nerf to Ice. Since Ice can comparably be similar to Glass, and with a strong enough vocal performance… one can shatter glass while singing
Agreed! Although at this point Psychic could use some help these days...
@@emperorcubone Yeah
@@liannabunny7775 Ice isn't just physical ice. It is also extreme cold and snow.
Snow dampens sounds. Sound could be resisted by Ice and make sense.
This video is spot on, but I don't know WHO tf after all these years would be suggesting these types at all. Come on guys, this is some stupid stuff I would have thought was cool if I was 5 again.
Crystals? Really? Crystals are still rocks.
I thought a light type would be cool when I was 7. But that was before I had the conceptual capacity to realize that yeah, dark symbolizes evil. Why else would the fighting type be effective against it? You can't punch the darkness out, but you can combat evil. Dark could be seen as a counterpart to Light if you think about how the bug type also beats Dark, since bugs thrive in dark, damp places. But that just suggests that Dark types weren't meant to be looked at in black and white. It was meant to embody all ideas of what Dark is.
Correction, crystals are not rocks. Crystals are individual minerals.
WolfeyVGC made a whole video discussing the type matchup for Sound if it was an actual type. I agree with him, and I do think that it could actually work as its own type one day. It's fun to theorise new types for games, and having logic based weaknesses and resistances and offensive capabilities to see how it would work provides pretty good science lessons. Like if Sound is super effective against Water, like WolfeyVGC had in his video, it makes sense not just in a competitive sense because water only has 2 weaknesses and the type is abundant in biodiversity, but also because sound travels much faster through water than air (think submarines and sonar) and even quicker if not instantaneous through solids like Rock which makes it more of a resistances if its effects are too short in duration to cause actually damage to the surface. Science is fun.
What I learned from this video is that not all suggestions are bad. I kinda want crystal type now.