Why Pokemon needs to add Sound Type
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- Tell me in the comments if i did manage to change your mind if initially you thought sound type would be kinda dumb or you were indifferent. Also I have a lot more pokemon videos on the way so if you want to support a small youtuber hit the subscribe button id really appreciate it.
00:00 Intro
00:25 Balancing
04:36 Pokemon retype potential
07:48 Gen 9 revamp + region inspiration potential
10:17 Debunking Rebuttals
11:48 New eeveelution
13:40 Outro
Pixel art credits:
Gigantimax pokemon pixel art (lapras, rillaboom) done by leparagon on deviant art
Clawitser pixel art by quanyails on deviant art
(Noibat/noivern, hakamo-o, Kamoo-o, rillaboom line, toxtricity/gigantimax toxtricity) pixel art by conyjams on deviant art
Obstigoon pixel art by WAYWARD on Pokemon Amino
Personally, I'd make Sound be resisted by Psychic because one, meditation requires you to completely ignore and block any sounds that are coming towards you, and two, Psychic, while certainly not a bad type, isn't exactly a top tier pick like Water or Steel are. Still a good video, though!
so true! In the scifi-show stargate, they even use a sound generator, to block the psychic powers of evil space priests by giving them migraines due to the exact same logic.
Edit: I just reread the original comment, and realized, I got it completely backwards. Sound should be effective against psychic, but maybe moves like calm mind and meditation could lessen the effect of sound?
I think it would be better to make both be resistent to eachother, both agruments are great
I think the same, you hit the best choice for both parts
I don't think sound should be resisted by psychic, because all of Pschic's weaknesses are stuff people are scared of- Bugs, the dark, and ghosts. A lot of people are scared of loud sounds, and sudden loud sounds are also the first thing people's brains drift to because that sound could give a warning that determines your life or death. While some Psychic types do meditate, it is tough to meditate when there are loud noises around. (I would know, I have experience.) and while with practice you can overcome it, it's still tough to drown out everything IMO.
Actually the Sound>Psychic is reasonable, you can always try to meditate and reach a mental state to try and ignore sounds but things like Screech or Metal Sound (Both moves being loud ear-piercing screeches, let's not even get into Hyper Voice) are more than enough to knock someone out of the metal state and even make them unable to focus and think
Fairy type was a nerf for overpowered dragons back in the day.
Sound might work
To be fair, 2 out of three types added post gen 1 ended up being OP as well. Hell, even dark was too strong up until fairy happened
To nerf fairy. Just make it weak to bug
fairy dark and ghost are some of the best types rn. followed by water and dragon.
And steel. Steel is quite good too.
fairy type should've been light type and should've been done alongside sound type, i've been saying this since gen 6, ofc it's too late now, maybe i'll make my own hack with blackjack and hookers
Vacuum Wave could gain a secondary effect of being super effective against sound because sound doesn’t travel in a Vacuum
Like how freeze dry is super effective against water
i like that
Would need a base power boost to be on the same level as freeze-dry
@@Grean-Beans definitely
@@mitchpitch glad you like it 👍
@@Grean-Beans it’s a priority move so it’s 40 power but I wouldn’t mind seeing it changed to 70 power and giving fighting types another special option besides the limited aura sphere and focus miss
Wailmer and Wailord could make good sound types too, considering how Blue Whales can make 180 Decibal Calls underwater (which is as loud as a Jet Plane), and certain toothed Whales also use sound bursts to stun fish in the real world. A Water/Sound typing for Wailmer/Wailord would also make them even weaker to grass types, thus showing how a grass-type like Dhelmise can actively hunt Wailord.
Decibel*
Speaking of which, you could make an argument that the two Jet Planes, Latios and Latias could be sound type for the same reasons.
It also has some overlap with flying, so resisting fighting and ground seem to fit as well, especially if it is replacing the flying type for some pokemon. With some trade offs of course. It also seems like it could have a connection with dark type because sound is unaffected by darkness, but dark type is really just evil karate rather than visible darkness
"really evil karate"
That is amazing.
Evil karate
Let’s start a chain
Chatot and Exploud will be interesting
evil karate
That's very true with Dark Type. Very few moves are depicting of dark matter or essence which crosses with Ghost. Namely Pokemon like Darkrai and Giritina as they can honestly be either type and still make sense thematically.
Suggestion: instead of snowy day, the hail weather condition could do to sound types the same that grassy terrain does to ground types, halving it’s power
Snowy Terrain then
@@TheQjad135 that’s literally what hail is
Grassy terrain only halves earthquake if you didn’t know
^
@@limerumpus3589 I think bulldoze and magnitude too, all ik is that it isnt only equake
If sound type was added, Then sound based moves like Growl would have to be changed types, So I think Sound adds to the catagory of Normal
Edit:MOM IM FAMOUS
Im gonna talk about moves in the follow up video i was going to in the one but it made the video too long
I mean fighting type is a normal type but with martial arts knowledge I think it makes senses
Boomburst be like:
Ice adds to the category of water
A lot like all.of the moon based moves turning from normal to fairy!
Personally I would also make the Ludicolo line since it dances literally in its idle animation, and it’s dex entries talk about Ludicolo loving music produced by travelers and people
While this is a good idea, ludicolo's of type is too unique to pass up
@@Garfewloid So maybe a form of some sort or something, Ludicolo’s unique typing holds it back in some ways due to the large amount of weaknesses grass gives and not a lot of Beni fits besides maybe leach sees and stab on grass moves
@@HydroTurtle yes
Just give him the sound proof ability. Make him immune to sound type attacks. Boom.
@@BattletoDeath that wouldn’t work cause Ludicolos whole Niche is his rain based abilities
Bit of a rebuttal to the Eeveelution argument, dragon is also one of the “special” types from gen 1, so I think logically it’d make more sense to have a dragon type Eeveelution before a sound type Eeveelution. Also, little other thing, I don’t think we should be taking away the psychic type from Bronzong and the Woobat line and ground type from the Seismitoad line, I think that’d just be nerfing them which we don’t need
Oh i didnt know dragon was a special type. Also yeah i kinda agree with the second point i might touch on that in a follow up
Eeveelutions came in pairs before Sylveon, so we could get Dragon and Sound Eeveelutions together.
@@ILikeKirbys maybe? But I feel like that’s a stretch
@@Whale-Shark-Katie Yeah, it's a stretch. But I'd like to think that if we get another Eeveelution, we'll get two. Just because they mostly came in groups, outside of Sylveon.
Also, make Exploud both sound and normal.
I like how you made the list of what Pokemon would be part sound type and while some I also thought should be sound, Pokemon like Clawitzer and others never came to my mind but when you went into their real life counterparts it started to make sense
It was fun doing research and coming across pokemon you wouldnt think to be sound type lmao
@@mitchpitch Emmm just to point out one thing: Rillaboom perfectly fits, but it's a starter from galar and all the galar starters are pure starter types so i don't thinkk htey would do that
@@janthejetplane5668 Doesn't matter that much really, Unova starters have only one dual type while Kanto and Alola starters have one pokémon that is dual-typed from the beginning. It wouldn't be that weird to simultaneously have both occurrences in a trio.
Gotta say, the whiplash I felt after clicking on this video while playing Pokemon Xenoverse (a fangame with Sound as a new type) was immense. 10/10 this was actually really interesting!
my issues with it are:
1) I feel like 18 types is a perfectly even number to have. Unless they wanna give us 2 types again like in gen 2, bringing us to 20 types
2) I know people say Bug type is terrible as well, but i feel like Ice type is the only one that needs heavy rebalancing (and GF has taken a small step towards that with changing freeze to frostbite in PLA), so they could just do that.
3) All the good Special Normal Type movies would be gone; there'd only be Swift, Tri-Attack and Weather Ball (which are all gimmicky) and that messes with Pokemon that have the -ate ability that turns Normal moves into different type moves. ex. Sylveon and Gardevoir could no longer use Pixilate boosted Hyper Voice which would mess them up
4) The fact that they already have Sound Based moves that aren't Normal typed
This last part isnt an issue, but it'd be funny if sound type was a thing cause there's already the Soundproof ability, so those mons would probably gain viability being immune to Sound Types. Like the Levitate ability
Point 3 you have here is definitely my biggest concern with a hypothetical sound type. It just absolutely guts normal move availability unless they take some drastic steps to avoid that. Honestly if game freak wanted to add it I'd probably add a bunch of new special normal moves, then make the change to sound type for the others the gen after that. Not 100% sure that's a good idea regardless, but still
@@noodles24601 if by “drastic steps” you mean reskinning some current normal moves to sound and then replacing them with new normal type moves unrelated to sound then i don’t see the complication. for example: hyper voice becomes sound? just make a new special normal type 10 pp, base 90 power, 100 accuracy move. call it something dumb like coin toss idc
Ice type just need some extra resistences (that I dont know why it doesnt have), its dumb that ice only resists itself.
In my opinion, it should be (at the very least) resistent to water, because ice is basically solid water, I dont think thats fair water resisting ice, but ice dont resist water.
Also. What is a sound type physical move.
@@jessehunter362 sound physical moves could be related to dance moves or something xd
I agree with everyone but not sure about lapras. Makes sense but we are already lacking in ice types and gigantamax is probably gonna remain a one off thing for sw/sh
Yeah maybe ice/sound but water is a pretty big part of lapras. Thats one problem with sound having to replace types
@@mitchpitch yeah, i think Lapras should just stay Water/Ice and have access to Sound type moves. If G-Max could change typing, id argue to change Ice for Sound in it, but regular Lapras is better of staying as is.
Triple types?
i think lapras shouldnt be sound type
@@proclarushtaonasat triple
I was wholly unconvinced that Sound type was a good idea…until this video. You sold me on it 100%
All I'm saying is that if this gets introduced, it better have a FANTASTIC soundtrack
I don't think Sound should be super effective against Water, because sound does travel well in water; underwater is pretty well-known for being super quiet. The others make sense though; metals can transport the sound of something hitting it, making the sound louder, and you could make the argument that the sound travelling underground, would mean travelling through a cave, like an echo. And I guess Psychic makes sense, since psychic powers requires concentration, which loud noises would break
The caves argument i didnt even think of, yeah that works
I feel Water should gain a weakness to Poison at least.
@@caldw615 It's either or depending on how you look at it. Because water is commonly a polluted thing, but water is also a purifier. So it being a neutral relationship works fine.
@@amandaslough125 Thematically you could argue either way but in terms of balance Poison is still pretty underpowered and Water is too strong so a new interaction is in order I feel.
I think psychic should be both strong and weak to it. Look at singing bowels, meditation chants. chimes etc. All sound based that enhance psychic ability.
Gotta say this is the first I've heard of any rumors saying gen 9 will be Australia. That rumor really aged well with the official trailer all but telling us it'll be Spain.
Yepp hahahaha. Yeah idk why i included that rumour at all now in heinsight
While I agree with most of what you said, I have rebuttals of my own.
First, some of your examples of Pokemon that should be sound type already have fitting types, such as bronzong, whose psychic type comes from it's magic powers and Hakamo-o, whose sound come from it's war dances.
Second, you said towards the argument that sound type is just normal type, that for now it is. However of the thirty-one sound based moves, only eighteen are normal type. I brought this up for two reasons: to point out how the argument makes no sense at all, and because several of these moves probably will never change type, specifically bug buzz, eerie spell, grass whistle and metal sound.
Third, as already brought up, there are already numerous sound based moves, all with the same ability to ignore substitute. it's already a gimmick added onto moves to make them situationally better with the same theming.
If they added a sound type, they'd have to change several things that I doubt they will. Not saying they won't, I just don't see it happening any time soon.
Edit: I noticed said you would cover the comment that @BlazeDJ made. I hope you do the same with this one and try to argue against it, as this was fun to type out.
Oh 100% ill reply to this in the follow up. I was gonna talk about moves and the facts that some of the sound based moves arnt normal type in this vid but it would have made the vid to long so ill cover it in the follow up. And ill adress your other two points >:)
Also if you take a look at all the pokemon who have had their types changed (without an alternative form) they either made a monotype pokemon a dual type or changed a pokemons normal type to another type. Changing a pokemon with two unique typings just doesn't make sense to me
Her’s what i think
1. You can always add new pokemon! Dark type didn’t even do any retyping at all
2. Some won’t change, but some probably should like screech, disarming voice etc.
3. We can turn a gimmick into a type
@@icantthinkofaname8139
1 yeah, I just disagree with some of them changing type
2 if sound becomes a type, agreed
3 non of the other gimmicks became types, but I guess you're right. No matter how unlikely, a gimmick could become a type
@@kr0wzy they did that with fairy already though so it doesn’t really matter
Spain looks like being the region where this next series game will be, adding the sound type to such a musical country, would be perfect.
9:01 a lyrebird as a sound type is so fitting especially given the birds capabilities of mimicking noises and the fact that it is named after its tail which is shaped similarly to that of a lyre(a hand held harp-like instrument)
Love this video. Ive been debating with a friend about sound type forever
My main argument against sound type was me being unsure as to how it affects the type chart but the arguments for the type chart in this video are very good. Still not sure if I'm entirely sold on the idea but I understand the argument much better now
SOUND TYPE FOLLOW UP IS OUT!!!
Can’t wait to see it!
Taught me alot bout Sound..looking yo bring back my idea of a game I wanted designed and this is awesome idea 💡
Question: Would you consider Water and Ice better separate in RPGs or merged?
@@jonathanwilson1539 Some rpgs have them as the same thing so golden sun for example maybe some others, personally I think it works either way but I think that they are different enough to justify them being seperate.
@@mitchpitch I've never played that but would give it a try for fresh game experience and to see how they handle there element system. 😁 appreciate the reply!
@@jonathanwilson1539 it's actually a really great rpg, I def reccomend
As an Australian, I can confirm a lot of animals here make one heck of a racket. Particularly Cockatoos and Kookaburras. And with so many unique animals here, there's certain a lot of potential. So Australian region with sound type addition sounds awesome.
I think the sound type should resist or be super effective against dark since echolocation can be used to see in the dark.
Thats what i thought as well but my friend suggested that dark should be super effective against sound as there is no sound in a void. But i agree with the other way round
Dark is more of the "mean" or "evil" type than actual darkness, save for Umbreon.
Dark is evil not lacking light
@@Deadflower019 it actually is supposed to mean" dirty fighting" like stated by the first darktype specialist in johto attacks that would be considered unfair and unhonorable in a fight like attacking your opponent by surprise (sucker punch) tricking your opponent (feint) biting etc
@@markosgelos3321 yeah its basically the “Evil” type the villians of Pokemon in a sense
This video is really well made! I only discovered it just now, and I am surprised how little attention this has. It deserves way more. Great job!
This is something i've been thinking about for ages. There are some things I would nitpick, but you make very good points and you put a lot of work into this video. It's a shame this hasnt blown up yet, you deserve it!
Oh thank you man :)
Your pitch is so solid I pressed subscribe automatically. Good stuff! I agree with the need for Sound type to balance out overused typing and give a better shot to other underused Pokémon.
Not too related, but I like the Ice type. It hits the most Pokémon super-effectively, so it’s a glass (or ice) cannon type.
There are so many cool opportunities for new Pokémon, forms, and regional variants such as:
- 3-stage psychic/water/fairy and sound siren
- speaker form rotom
- eeveelution that acts both as a sound absorber and a speaker
- ghost sound variants of the ghastly line based on living static
- steel sound living radar Pokémon
And the list goes on
I love the ghastly varient idea and the steel sound sonar pokemon idea!
this video's been floating around in my recommended and I finally got around to watching it, so glad I did! it's such a good video, I love listening to ideas abt how pokemon could potentially change in different ways
my fav's pokemon Torterra and I could imagine there being some sort of sound-type move that's common for ground-type pokemon to get that works similarly to earthquake except it maybe bypasses screens or something. coming up with random ideas for this kind of stuff is just so cool
I really like it! I added a song type in my currently under dev fangame and came to see your video a few days later, so I rly enjoyed it !
I cant make community posts yet since you need 1000 subscribers but I wanted to say i appreciate the support on this video! This follow up video is going to be massive but I haven't gotten a ton of ideas for just new sound type pokemon so if you have any ideas feel free to comment them and ill probably include it in this follow up video coming soon. Some ideas I've had is a regional cyndiquil that has jaggered sound waves on its back instead of flames, or a rock sound type that's based on those rock formations by the sea that make the whistling noise from the ocean wind.
I just got this in my recommendation and was surprised to see you only got 300 subs great video
I'm not sure if this is the best idea but what about a natu/xatu with the psychic and sound type? I'm not sure why this came to me but xatu's ultra sun pokedex entry says it can see into the future and past at the same time but cant change it, what if the sound typing could play into that?
@@willwisp5560 Like sending voice messages to the future or past to change it you mean?
@@mitchpitch Maybe, idk? Thats a good idea though!
actually you need 500 (I think) now to get the community tab, so not much farther to go
When we got the fairy type in X and Y we got a new eeveelution so it would make sense to have a new one for sound type.
I’m expecting a grey eevee that has headphones on
Great job Mitch! I’m years out of Pokémon gaming and I still found this video really engaging. Looking forward to more!
Thanks man :)
I do like the idea of a new type trying to bring balance to the game.
What bothers me is that sound based moves is already a thing. There is at the time of this comment 27 sound-based moves, almost the same amount as fairy type moves.
It already have its own "gimmick" (bypassing substitutes), item and abilities (Soundproof,Liquid Voice,Punk Rock,Throat Spray).
Which is quite unique for the franchise. Making it a new type is not that farfetched but I don't want it.
Sound-based moves are not bound by any type, that's why I think they're interesting. By not putting them in a fixed type, it allows more flexibility I think, and I would like more of those sub categories.
This is primarily why I'm against the Sound type as well
I don't think adding the Sound type has to confine any Sound-based moves to that type, since there are a lot of moves in Pokemon that could belong to a variety of different types (for example, the existence of the Fighting type doesn't require any punching move to be Fighting type). There are quite a few moves I think would definitely stay their original type even if the Sound type was added, like Bug Buzz, the "Clang" moves, Metal Sound, and Overdrive.
They have an ability called Punk Rock now?
But they are bound by a type and thats Normal lol
@@TheQjad135 Bug Buzz, Chatter, Clanging Scales, Disarming Voice, Eerie Spell, Grass Whistle, Metal Sound, Overdrive, etc.
I would argue for Jynx being sound type since it speaks in a human-like voice and can learn sing and perish song. But my question is, what criteria is there for a Pokémon to be sound type and not just a Pokémon that knows sound moves? Does it have to be made of sound in some way, and how would that be possible? Sound is just vibrations picked up by our ear drums.
Yeah that potentially could be one
I'd assume that Pokemon that specialize in attacking with sound would be sound type (Loudred, Chatot, etc.)
Any Pokemon can yell loudly but only certain ones can put someone to sleep, or make earthquakes with sounds
It would need to be like Kricketune in that its sound is a base for its entire design as opposed to just something its capable of doing
tbf that's been an issue with pokemon for a long time. many ground pokemon aren't actually made of ground, they just have ground-based powers. many poison types aren't actually made of poison. i don't even know how dark type gets its resistances and weaknesses.
in other words i don't think it's too big a logical leap for pokemon to give any sound-based pokemon the sound type.
Regional Forms are our friend for this
ICE resisting sound makes sense because ICE is LESS DENSE than WATER.
This video is awesome. Looks like a change of direction for you based on the rest of your channel, but I’ll have an eye out for more stuff like this :)
This was well made, I am patiently waiting for your next video especially now that we know the new region.
This was a really well-informed video. Thank you for making it.
The main reason I don't think sound typing makes sense is that it's *too metaphysical*. Regular types either constitute a pokemon's physical body (usually the case with Rock/Steel/Grass/etc.) OR constitute a pokemon's fighting style (Dark/Psychic/etc.) and sometimes both (Fairy/Water/Ghost/etc.)
This doesn't make sense for sound typing, since sound isn't a physical thing, nor does it constitute a typical fighting style a pokemon could realistically use for both offense and defense. A pokemon can't be "made of sound" since sound can't exist without another physical medium, and can't use sound for defense, [though admittedly there's obvious potential for sound as an offensive tool] so sound can only be used for one half of a "fighting style".
This is one of the most interesting points ive seen made, that i hadnt thought about.
But something can also not be „made of dark“
@@geschnitztekiste4111 I would defer to darkrai who is literally a shadow monster haha, dark is such a concrete personality too, we need the "edgy" type
I honestly thought we would see a sound type before fairy
Hmng I disagree. Sound can actually damage things. If its loud enough it can make things vibrate items (like shattering glass) and damage eardrums. And even if “sound” itself is not physical, instruments are and that could be used to some good potential. Also there technically are sound based pokemon moves already, and even those moves will effect pokemon or even damage them.
I would also argue that sound is a physical thing since it can interact with things. Like ghost type sound isn’t something you can reach out and touch- and shadow types are just shadows-however the Pokemon making noise themselves are solid (unless ghost type) so if a pokemon throws a punch other pokemkn can block it or dodge it, but if a pokemon sends out a piercing screech the other pokemon won’t be able to get away (unless they have some sort of strength against sound) because it will be like a shock wave. Even if a pokemon plugged its ears the noise would still definitely rattle them.
this was a really cool explanation vid and i actually learnt a lot about soundwaves, thanks dude and i really hope that pokemon gets its well deserved sound type!!!
Ngl pretty good stuff. I'm excited where to see where you go with this.
I could totally see you with a couple 100k subs in the next few years.
Dude thank you so much !
For the choices of Sound-type Pokemon, you should exclude those that simply make references to sound techniques and consider if the type itself fits the theming of the Pokemon.
Bronzong is a bell, but its a bell with mystical powers that calls for rain. Hence more psychic than Sound.
Kommo-o uses his clanging scale dances and preview of the battle to come. He’s a… whats the word… ritualistic fighter?
Exploud is good as a Sound type, but his large body and muscles should also make him a Normal type, so Normal/Sound is a more fitting type for him.
Noivern is a great Sound/Dragon, but Swoobat is better known for abusing Stored Power, a Psychic move and using echolocation is a poor reason to make it sound-type, otherwise the blind zubat would be one too.
A lesser known option for Sound-type could be the Toucannon line as they can change their vocals to over a hundred different cries (at least as a Trumbeak). It would also set it apart from the myriad Normal/Flying types.
Meowstic line could debatably be Sound-type as their psychic powers are inside their ears and are portrayed as psychic sound waves. Though the power itself is not referred to as sound-based and the evolutions say the power is in the patterns beneath their ears, so…
Theres others, but other commenters mentioned those already.
Heavily disagree with your opinion on exploud, but the rest of these are solid opinions.
Exploud should be Sound/Normal because it has a large body and muscles? Well there goes the entirety of the Fighting type...
Another point for sound being weak to ice or ice resisting it is sound waves tend to travel more slowly in cold weather.
Great job on this video! I honestly thought you had a higher subscriber count just based on the quality of the video but I was surprised to see you’re brand new! Keep up the good work!
When I saw the concept of the video, I was definitely against adding sound type, but I'm pretty much convinced now. Great vid!
The sound type seems like a good idea, but I really don’t want them to remove Seismitoad’s ground type, it having the sound type makes sense, and this may just be from my obsession with Gen 5, but one of the best things about Seismitoad is it only having one weakness (or two if we count sound).
Adding sound will bring the electric weakness back, keep the 4x grass weakness, and add a weakness to bug. I think it would be better as a split evolution or regional form.
Returning to my Gen 5 obsession, if they ever remake BW, Clay’s gym could be screwed up if Palpitoad’s no longer a ground type.
This is like my third time retyping it trying to have my reasons make sense
I love the format of this video. I hope more are coming soon
Yeah for sure i want to do a lot of pitch style videos like this one in the future
UA-cam recommended your channel and I really enjoyed this video! I always wondered what sound type would look like. You did a great analysis and the length of the video was also ideal in my opinion.
PS: I like all bird pokemon, but my favorite is probably Torchic
Yo thank you so much :). Torchic is a great pokemon
What a great video from a newer creator! You admittedly didn't really have to convince me, but I still really enjoyed your explanation and it helped make me even more interested in a type I've wanted since Gen 1.
Oh, and subscribed because you definitely earned it.
I love your positivity lmao. I appreciate it :)
Personally I disagree... what made the fairy type so well made was that is was made almost exclusively to nerf the dragon typing which used to be the best type in the game by far. The sound type is trying to buff pre-existing typings that have already recieved buffs across generations, such as the bug type. Plus, we cannot easily anticipate what those changes would truly do to the metagame. Meanwhile, the fairy typing does not interact with a lot of types, being weak to only two (also buffing the barely used poison typing by the way) and being super-effective to 3 types, one of which used to only have 2 weaknesses. And sure the fairy type ended up among the best, but it certainly wasn't broken or unbalanced by any means.
In short, the sound type is trying to do TOO much to balance the competitive metagame typing wise, which would actually serve to make the type rather unpredictable competitively. Also consider that taking into account type effectiveness is not the only factor in making a type balanced (ex: toxic, aurora veil, sandstorm, grassy terrain, etc.)
Honestally you got me there. Those are good points and its not as simple adding sound type as it was adding fairy. It would be a lot more complicated and unpredictable in turms of how it would effect the meta. I guess the only real solution if they were to add it is to do it precisely well as to not screw up the meta and have a positive balancing effect
In my opinion saying bug types have been buffed is like saying lapras is an ice type that’s useable in competitive play. Sure it’s not false by all means but it’s not nessicarily because of the ice type. It’s a bulky water type with a nifty gigantamax and various other moves. The same can be said with bug type. Most bug types in later gens are “buffed” thanks to their secondary type. I mean look at ribombee araquanid goliosopod vikavolt as well as good bug Pokémon from old gens like heracross armaldo scizor and scolipede most of these Pokémon are either carried by their secondary or by other gimmicks like their abilities or bst
Also I would argue that fairy is pretty broken. Nothing like gen 5 dragon bug still it didn’t need to be bug resistant.
Though I will agree that competitive play would probably make sound type unpredictable but that’s sorta the fun in Pokémon ain’t it? Being suprised at what your opponent can pull off?
The fairy type is completely broken and they did a bad job with implementing it. Yeah sure it balanced dragon but it also buffed the steel type which it definitely didnt need, making it a mandatory type for most teams to have. Steel already resisted dragon anyway so its not like switch ins for dragon types didnt exist. Also fairy resists bug for some inexplicable reason
I think they wanted to make sure fairy was going to be used in competitive so they just gave it an immunity to the best type in the game and didnt think much beyond that
@@Oscar-ek2jx To each their own I suppose... but hey, at least the fairy type was good enough to turn some useless pokemon into actual competitive threats
@@AizakkuAdoman I suppose you have a fair point there. The bug type is often viable because it's paired with certain other typing that synergize with it well... but that wouldn't make the bug type itself bad... scizor would be far worse off without it's bug typing, as it would no longer have only one weakness.
Not that the bug type is good per say... just that making a whole new type to buff it seems like overkill.
Though I will admit your last point is solid, the unpredictable impact the type would have could be entertaining to see
While I agree that Sound types should exist, I don't think that it should be strong against Steel and Ground, otherwise Pokemon like Excadrill lose their use entirely. Also Pokemon like Metagross become completely null.
This was a really good “first” video! Good job man
Really good video! It's good to see balance being sincerely considered in the addition of a new type.
so I know loud noises being able to cause avalanches isn't actually a thing, but like. considering what a popular myth it is and how many of pokemon's type weaknesses are based on folklore or urban legends, I think any hypothetical sound type would be super-effective against ice if anything
I was pretty strongly against sound type until watching this, but you've convinced me to at least consider it (and although I don't think it's at all likely, I hope to be proven wrong). I think the biggest thing holding it back in the community isn't necessarily that it's boring, but just that it sounds uncreative, similarly to "light", "nuclear", "wind", etc. But the way Uranium handled "nuclear" justified its inclusion, and the strengths/weaknesses of sound you described do the same.
To be honest I think that pokémon types should be as natural and uncreative as possible. Most names are very basic, more in line with "light" (we have dark) and "wind" (we already have fire, water, and ground) rather than "nuclear" which is much more artificial so to speak. That's why fairy and dragon seem like oddballs to me, their names sound way too specific.
"Doesn't sound like a rattata-thing to do" has got to be one of my favourite lines out there :'D
Hahahaha thank you
good vid! i'd been somewhat ambivalent to the idea of the sound type before watching this, because i couldn't figure any good reasons for type matchups through my research, but you have 6 strong arguments for that! definitely keeping my audio type for my pokelike now
This is a really great idea, I think a couple of the retypings are off (some are a stretch - e.g. misdreavous- others are kinda perfect for their design as they are now - e.g. toxtrixity and politoad lines) but I love the concept in general, it fits a really cool gap, plus the retyping of "early game" normal moves like growl will just make the early games "pallet" of moves so to speak so much more interesting
it would be fun to have a sound type exclusive ability like "amplification" that allows super effective sound type moves to become 4x effective if you've used another sound type move on the previous turn.
Sound type is a good idea because hearing is one of the 5 senses.
You really popped off with this video. You just got a new sub and fan
Yo i appreciate that
Wow! I was legit shocked when I saw how small your channel was. Which makes sense since it's your first real video. But this is a very high quality video and you def got a sub out of me. Near the start of your video, you mentioned that water has more pokemon than any other type. If you were to split water into 2 types what would they be like? I'd love to see a future video covering that
Yo thank you so much i appreciate that. And that is a mad interesting question about splitting up water type. I guesss you could do fresh and salt water type or like an amphibian type for pokemon like water type frogs. I doubt it would be split up ever but just the concept of it is fun to think about
I really like this idea I hope we see something like this in the near future, hopefully in Scarlett/Violet!
This is a really quality video dude well done.
great video :) excited to see where u goooo
Sound type is a bad idea from a balance perspective. The basis of what would be strong and weak to a sound type are incorrect from a material science point of view. sound type would be super affective against: rock type, fire type(maybe), Ice type, ground type (maybe), and psychic type. of these types none of them need nerfs as they are ether fairly well balanced as is or even a little under powered. Sound type would also be resisted by water type, resisted by or immune by bug type, resisted by or immune by grass type, and resisted by steel type. while bug and grass do need buffs this is not worth buffing steel (edit: also water does not need a buff ether) even more.
I say these are the types that would be resistant/weak to sound because of the way sound actually interacts with materials. sound waves can actually do serious damage to objects in the real world which does make for a compelling type argument, however only objects with ridged and brittle structures are susceptible to sound ruptures meaning materials that are soft and flexible such as water and most metals would be resistant while ice and rock which are defensively fairly weak right now would only gain another weakness. If you are going to argue that Gamefreak could just pick and choose their interpretations of the interactions to force game balance then they already could with the types they have in the game right now, and it would be far easier to do than add a new type. as an example: fire needs heat to burn, ice is cold there for ice should resist fire and be super affective against it.
sound would basically be a type to cover the overlap between normal and flying type, the later of which is can also be called bird type or air type. it is redundant and would poorly affect the balance of the game. if you are concerned with type balance their interactions can and have been changed before, and that is a better place to start.
also there is a screen shot of a city square for gen 9 that has all they types in a circle. There are only 18 tiles in the circle so sound type is disconfirmed for gen 9 for now.
You make a sound argument, but the wheel doesn't necessarily decomfirm a new type, they could be hiding it on the wheel or scrubbed it out like they did the gauntlets in Legends Arceus. It's possible sound or whatever type, could even be discovered by the player during the game.
@@Darknova67 if we were talking about any other franchise for sure, but this is pokemon. If they were going to add a new type it would be plastered all over the front of the box with npcs telling you how amazing the new type is and how it totally changes the game like they did in X&Y. Not excluding it from a courtyard that has all 18 other types equally represented. That's not to say it couldn't come out later, but it would honestly be a bad idea on their part. Fairy just came out two generations ago, and adding new types would just make things even harder to balance
Play pokemon xenoverse,it has the most balanced sound type and its what pokemon needs
@@alonsogarde4161 doesn't that game also add like 3 other types and change interactions between types? That doesn't exactly scream "sound will save pokemon" to me since it would also hinge on adopting some or all of the other changes in the type chart made in that game.
@@Empty_Carbon it only adds sound
I’m honestly surprised that the Pokémon company haven’t done an Australian region with how much unique animals live there, it’s really the perfect place to base a Pokémon game in
Pokémon Legends : Down-Under
Everything kills you.
Great idea and well explained! You got a subscriber out of me. Little advice tho, not too long and you taking about it makes it longer and brings attention to it, detracting from the video.
i like this and look forward to your next video subscribed!
My only thing against this idea is it'd lead to there being 19 types. 18 is such a nice even number
I was considering that. It also makes it uneven in promotional material when displaying all the times. Ill probably talk about that in the follow up video
@@mitchpitch 👀 pumped for a follow up
@@rivercox8172 Hahaha ik me too its gonna be a hella long video but its basically gonna be diving deep into the sound type rabbit hole with comments
Then they'll need to add 2 new types to make it a perfect 20. Preferably a second type that is strong against electric types.
Well, there is one new type possibility that gets overlooked way too much, and that is the Temporal/Time type.
Just as sound is an integral part of our everyday being, so is time and it's properties. There are so many options for temporal type pokemon too, you could have seasonal guardians that share the Temporal type along with Ice, Fairy/Grass, Grass/Fire, & Ghost.
It's a bit of a wacky type option, but I think it makes sense to add it either alongside sound or somewhere down the line after sound
What are your thoughts on this overlooked new type?: Temporal/Time type
Sounds like a fun one to make a video on. If not a full video then perhaps a quick fire one with a few other types
What about cosmic/space type?
wish the best for your channel man
I love your ideas ESCPECIALLY your reasoning for typing reclassification which is always interesting. I do think adding sound as you described would only improve the meta's balance
Off topic but i love your profile picture lmao
@@mitchpitch Totally on topic my man. I love Puddi and many other beta mons we were robbed of
Really interesting argument, you've got me just about convinced. The only hangup is how receptive people would be to a new type right now...
One thing with the pokemon that could be changed to sound type- did you consider the Oricorios? Obviously it'd be a hard workaround considering each one has a different typing to go with its style (Baile being fire and flying and Sensu being ghost and flying, etc.) but they are all based on different dance styles- I would like to hear your thoughts on this even if nothing else!
Yeah im 100% with you on the first point, i think its unlikely just because of general public consensus despite how 'perfect' it would fit. People just think the name is dumb and dont want a new type which is understandable. And the oriocorios for sure, they dont really fly so they could replace the flying type of them
@@mitchpitch Tbf nobody ever asked for any of the added types, but they got accepted all the same. Taking the public consensus into account is not a good idea when you're trying to make change.
Types that could work: Sound, Light(Instead of Fairy) and some have said Cosmic
Fun Fact: If we added both Light and Cosmic, Solrock would have to be 4 types:
- Rock(It's made of Rock)
- Psychic(Psychic abilities)
- Light(It represents the sun)
- Cosmic(It's from Space)
Duuuuuude! I was thinking about this literally a month or two ago and though I was a genius!!!! If I'd been a UA-camr I would've already made a video about this, but I'm not so yeah. Thanks for voicing my idea!!!!!!
Ikr ive been thinking about it for ages too its a cool concept
Great video, looking forward to the follow up!
I think Toxtricity should keep Electric/Poison, he already has that ability that boost sound based moves, just change it to "sound-type moves" and it's good enough for me.
I agree, Punk Rock should become a sound type version of steelworker, giving them a 3rd stab option
I really like the idea of rebalancing the type matchups, and I like the thematic value of sound for some of the more boring normal pokemon (especially because normal is basically a non-type to me, which feels like a huge waste. I wish it resisted more things or something). That said, every current pokemon type is very easily arguable to be elemental. With the possible exception of fairy, ghost and psychic, but those are also very tangible states of being. Sound feels a little generic and unintuitive to me, and other people have already mentioned the issue with sound-based non-normal moves and stuff. It's hard, because there's an obvious emphasis on sound in the games that does feel underutilized, and a lot of those pokemon really need a buff, but it's a bit of a tough sell in terms of a whole new type
Yeah that's a good point. I do still think despite it not being elemental or tangible really that its deserving of a type. But based on some comments there's no denying that people just from the name 'sound type' would think its lame or confusing.
@@mitchpitch Honestly I like it being a move modifier than a typing. Like difference between physical or special, contact vs non-contact. Ya know give attacks with the sound modifier special attributes.
Great video! 100% agree on having a new type. maybe 2. I've always been pro Light type personally. I know we have fairy but with stuff like Dark and Ghost or Rock and Ground being so similar already. also some match up changes between existing types. personally I would change the ghost type the most. while it has 2 immunities it's too similar to dark imo. make Ghost neutral against itself, super effective on Fairies and Electric as well as resist them, and make it weak to dragons. feel like Dragon, Fairy, and Ghost would be a cool type triangle for future starters I think.
OMG YOUR’RE SUPER UNDERRATED you deserve more subs
thank you !! :D
Aight, Pokemon that could change to sound type but don't really need to are pokemon like spinda, primarina, Jynx, maybe even Mr. Rime or lilligant. Regardless, very good video, definitely subscribing!
Also, I really liked what you did with toxtricity. One of the reasons I didn't see sound type possible was because there was a lot of pokemon that have types that fit them a lot and are sound based, toxtricity being a perfect example for that. But you managed to fix it by making one toxtricity sound-electric and the other sound-poison, making it still electric-poison and also adding in the sound type. Very clever.
Ooooo mr rime thats a good pick. Tap dancing pokemon ice/sound maybe. Also thank you :)
I've been thinking about this for years, glad to learn I'm not alone
edit: 9:07 hate that everyone forgets about conversion
Yeah i guess it would just be another conversion
According to western superstition ghosts are repelled by the ringing of a bell, so yeah, sound types moves should be super effective against ghost type pokemon
I think we are forgetting that the move Throat Chop exist, wich prevents the target from using moves that emit sound for 2 turns. A singular move can shut down a entire type
Fun fact: when gen 3 was coming out they were planning to make an alien type for deoxys and also since clefairy and clefaible came from the moon, literally their type would become alien tol
I've also been thinking about this kind of thing, most of my same thoughts were in this video.
I enjoyed this video, keep it up man
thing is if they add a sound type
all sound based moves become sound type
and normal types will only have tri attack
and all the mechanics that sound moves have:
-being blocked by sound proof and throat chop
-ignoring substitutes
-activating throat spray
-having signature abilities like punk rock
-sound moves already having different typed moves (snarl, strange spell, metal sound)
will all just count for a singular type ._.
I dunno about this
but, i have an idea for a normal special move that is not sound based:
force wave
90 bp
the user sends out a (generic) power wave, this move has a 20% chance to flinch
also:
if psychic is getting another weakness without new resistances then goodbye psychic types, cya in PU
also also:
this is a great video🔥 I like your ideas and I love that grass and ice and bug get a buff
great ideas! you earned a sub👍
I Really enjoyed this, like Really. Do you think you could make another video like this but with other custom types instead like, delta, light, magic, virtual, cosmic, and probably not because it wouldnt make much sense but mutant. Great video keep it up!
Yeah for sure i was considering making a cosmic of light type video as well
I really don't think any type would work other than sound since most cosmics would fall into Psychic and most lights would fall into Fairy
@@jdsjigglypuff9419 I dont think any type would work outside of sound type maybe cosmic type. But it would still be fun making videos on the types and speculating what pokemon would be changed what the type super effectiveness may be etc
Oof, the scarlet and violet announcements kinda annihilated the Australia theory eh
I love that this waddle dee named Mitch made this great video that was well thought out and interesting!
I know I'm late to the party, but my favorite pokemon of all time is Exploud. We have history, and he carries me through every game I have him in, even fan games. And when you called Exploud Loudred, I was ready to throw hands lol. Great video
Oh lmao i didnt even notice
Personally, I think an artificial/human/mythic type would make more sense. There are tons of Pokémon that are monotype which could receive it (or whose typing is not that fitting, or isn't anymore) like Abra, Porygon, Klink, Smeargle, regular Farfetch'd, Magikarp (and Gyarados potentially), Feebas and Lilipup for example, plus it's not something already defined in the game unlike sounds which has multiple abilities that interact with it due to being a movement property. This also has the possibility to bring back the theming steel lost in gen 6 of robotics and bring it back for those Pokémon while giving an excuse to rework hugely ice as well as to shake the type chart a bit.
All that said, with the announcement of the new games, I think a new type is highly unlikely, I was already a detractor of the idea for a new type from the start, heck, I even had my doubts of a new type during the annoucement of gen 6 when we got a new type. Mainly because I don't think Pokémon needs a new type. Sound is an interesting type to make for a type-based game, though, so I would definetly fine interesting to see it in a diferent franchise/game.
Those sound more like body-types rather than typing. I dont want a Fish-type or Bird-type or Beast-type or Reptile-type. You get the point.
@@josea.ruizquinones9262 Not at all. It's a type more based on things created by humans. It has an artificial flavour to it, taking a little from robots as well as from myth or legendary creatures, or buildings, art pieces, etc.
Not all object Pokémon would be affected nor would be human Pokémon. It is more abstract.
All that said, we do have a bug type, a dragon type and a ghost type which are all fairly body-based on principle. Bug particularly.
I agree with all your points but some tells me even if we got the sound type, we are not getting a new Eevee evolution because each Eevee evolution has one stat that is higher than all the others, but since each stat has been used for the evolutions, there’s no other Stat that can be higher than the other ones without overlapping with another Eevee evolution.
Ooo ive never heard of that thats interesting
That's been true since Leafeon & Glaceon though, with Glaceon sharing its 130 Special Attack with Espeon, and we still got Sylveon, who has Special Defense as its highest stat like Umbreon.
Echoleon would just have 130 Base HP.
@@fawfulmark2 Vaporeon already took that
I came in leaning slightly against adding a new type but your video was quite persuasive. There would undoubtedly be problems with adding a new type but you did get me pretty interested in the idea.
I love the long videos! You just gained a subscriber, This was a cool watch.
Would heal bell stay fairy or sound in this case? It has magical healing properties, but… it’s literally a bell.
Do you also think zubat could gain sound type?
I’ll probably be buried, but it’s just a few questions,
Never thought about heal bell i think it would change to sound but be learnt mostly by fairy types. Zubat could potentially gain the sound typing too although i think poision flying works well for it