Amazing all the pearl clutching by Christians in the comments over labels and words. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. It’s astoundingly silly. Thank You for your work on the podcast.
"There is so much good and empathy in soft voices." Quote from Sarah Bader. Thank you, Sarah, for your hard work and sacrifice to speak up against this great injustice. Thank you for your love to a relatively ignored group of people in the church. I know from first-hand experience the abused in the church. I have hope that people care. I have so much hope after listening to this podcast.
I'm sorry! I'm a Bible believing born again Christian and I was hoping to get a Christian perspective concerning Doug Wilson. I thought this might be a good source but it seems to me to be a very secular look at Doug Wilson! I am a US Citizen living in the Philippines and our church recently hooked up with CREC. I was hoping to get more insight into Mr. Wilson's cultish activities from a biblical perspective not a secular view! Sorry but I am quite disappointed!
The “priesthood of all believers” is a foundational principle that asserts that every Christian has direct access to God, rendering each member of the Church a “priest” in the sense that they can minister to others, serve, and carry out the work of Christ’s body. However, the modern pastoral system, where a singular “Pastor” takes authority, can distort this ideal by elevating one individual to a position that often supersedes the congregation's equal priestly status. A clear example of this is Doug Wilson’s ministry approach, which has garnered significant attention for fostering a following centered more on Wilson himself than on the collective spiritual growth of his congregation. Wilson’s controversial methods, divisive language, and centralized authority reinforce his own presence and teachings, which may shift focus away from genuine communal worship and mutual love among believers. When congregations are led to emphasize a leader's personality or teachings, rather than Christ's teachings, it creates a hierarchy that stands in contrast to the New Testament model. Perhaps the most disturbing part of this system is that it encourages believers to view the pastor as the primary mediator between themselves and God, redirecting the church’s energy toward supporting and elevating the pastor’s views, programs, or even personal agendas. This focus on the “man of God” as the center of gatherings leaves little room for the biblical call to "love one another" as Christ commanded. Instead, the congregation may find itself gathered for the purpose of upholding or promoting the pastor, which undercuts the deeper bond that should exist between believers. In the end, this hierarchy replaces the direct relationship every believer is supposed to have with God with a dependency on the pastor’s leadership and opinions. It can create a church culture where spiritual growth is synonymous with obedience to the pastor’s directives, rather than with individual growth in Christ and loving fellowship with others. This distortion not only undermines the priesthood of all believers but can also perpetuate an unhealthy, personality-centered church model that risks the spiritual wellbeing of its members.
@@1WhipperinAmen, I agree. I am not saying that what is being presented here isn't true it's just presented in a very secular perspective. I have been researching Mr. Wilson for some time now! I do not align with his theology at all and I am very concerned for my church here in the Philippines! Thanks for your input!
Why is it ok for Sarah to place an attribute “Holy” that applies to God alone and describes His Character, with a profane vulgar word? I understand wanting to expose Wilson and the CREC, but this is absolutely unnecessary and wrong.
Pretty sure God is more offended by the people referenced in this discussion who are proclaiming His name, not using vulgar language, but destroying the vulnerable around them… but using good pretty language…. Than He is offended by a woman who doesn’t believe He exists, but is sacrificing to rescue His beloved abused children. Her language was directed at the proper culprits. God sees her heart.
@@meganpace9165 Getting caught up with how an atheist speaks (which to be honest I'm missed when watching, so I'm not totally sure what's being referred to) isn't helpful. Many of the culprits (or at least DW) use pretty vulgar language.
I'm not sure what language is "acceptable" to talk about the r8pe of CHILDREN or the r8pe and beating of wives.. "Holy" attached to an expletive is the least of the Christians' concerns. My heart is on FIRE and I am furious for these victims.
@@SonsofPatriarchy I'm not trying to debate these issues here, I'm just trying to describe things accurately. I don't see how someone couldn't be considered a Progressive if they support abortion and if they favor LBGT office bearers. If that's not progressive I'm truly unsure of what the term means in a Christian context.
@@SonsofPatriarchyThank you for engaging in the fight. Those of us who have had their voice taken away by this insidious wickedness don’t care how you lean. You are so appreciated, and I thank God for you!
@@SonsofPatriarchy I still don't see how this clarifies things. The issues I raised are distinctively progressive. If those beliefs don't equate to progressivism then the term seems useless. I guess I'll go along with what you're saying; what does make someone a progressive (rather than someone with progressive leanings)? If abortion/LGBT issues don't count the only other subjects that I can think of are better described by theological liberalism (such as denying infallibility, virgin birth, the supernatural, etc.). Is that what you're talking about? I'm not trying to pick a fight here or dismiss people based on label, but I am trying to make sense of how you guys are describing yourselves, because it seems like your definitions are rendering these terms meaningless. To you, what makes someone a progressive Christian (& I'm not talking about the labels people ascribe to you)?
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Amazing all the pearl clutching by Christians in the comments over labels and words. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. It’s astoundingly silly. Thank You for your work on the podcast.
"There is so much good and empathy in soft voices." Quote from Sarah Bader. Thank you, Sarah, for your hard work and sacrifice to speak up against this great injustice. Thank you for your love to a relatively ignored group of people in the church. I know from first-hand experience the abused in the church. I have hope that people care. I have so much hope after listening to this podcast.
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@@SonsofPatriarchy thanks.
I'm sorry! I'm a Bible believing born again Christian and I was hoping to get a Christian perspective concerning Doug Wilson. I thought this might be a good source but it seems to me to be a very secular look at Doug Wilson! I am a US Citizen living in the Philippines and our church recently hooked up with CREC. I was hoping to get more insight into Mr. Wilson's cultish activities from a biblical perspective not a secular view! Sorry but I am quite disappointed!
The “priesthood of all believers” is a foundational principle that asserts that every Christian has direct access to God, rendering each member of the Church a “priest” in the sense that they can minister to others, serve, and carry out the work of Christ’s body. However, the modern pastoral system, where a singular “Pastor” takes authority, can distort this ideal by elevating one individual to a position that often supersedes the congregation's equal priestly status.
A clear example of this is Doug Wilson’s ministry approach, which has garnered significant attention for fostering a following centered more on Wilson himself than on the collective spiritual growth of his congregation. Wilson’s controversial methods, divisive language, and centralized authority reinforce his own presence and teachings, which may shift focus away from genuine communal worship and mutual love among believers. When congregations are led to emphasize a leader's personality or teachings, rather than Christ's teachings, it creates a hierarchy that stands in contrast to the New Testament model.
Perhaps the most disturbing part of this system is that it encourages believers to view the pastor as the primary mediator between themselves and God, redirecting the church’s energy toward supporting and elevating the pastor’s views, programs, or even personal agendas. This focus on the “man of God” as the center of gatherings leaves little room for the biblical call to "love one another" as Christ commanded. Instead, the congregation may find itself gathered for the purpose of upholding or promoting the pastor, which undercuts the deeper bond that should exist between believers.
In the end, this hierarchy replaces the direct relationship every believer is supposed to have with God with a dependency on the pastor’s leadership and opinions. It can create a church culture where spiritual growth is synonymous with obedience to the pastor’s directives, rather than with individual growth in Christ and loving fellowship with others. This distortion not only undermines the priesthood of all believers but can also perpetuate an unhealthy, personality-centered church model that risks the spiritual wellbeing of its members.
@@1WhipperinAmen, I agree. I am not saying that what is being presented here isn't true it's just presented in a very secular perspective. I have been researching Mr. Wilson for some time now! I do not align with his theology at all and I am very concerned for my church here in the Philippines! Thanks for your input!
I will continue to listen to this new resource!
@grantskoog You're welcome. I am glad to hear that you get it.
@grantskoog A really great resource is Tom Wadsworth UA-cam videos on Worship.
Why is it ok for Sarah to place an attribute “Holy” that applies to God alone and describes His Character, with a profane vulgar word? I understand wanting to expose Wilson and the CREC, but this is absolutely unnecessary and wrong.
She's an atheist. I wouldn't expect her to talk like a Christian since she isn't one.
Pretty sure God is more offended by the people referenced in this discussion who are proclaiming His name, not using vulgar language, but destroying the vulnerable around them… but using good pretty language….
Than He is offended by a woman who doesn’t believe He exists, but is sacrificing to rescue His beloved abused children.
Her language was directed at the proper culprits.
God sees her heart.
@@meganpace9165 Getting caught up with how an atheist speaks (which to be honest I'm missed when watching, so I'm not totally sure what's being referred to) isn't helpful. Many of the culprits (or at least DW) use pretty vulgar language.
I'm not sure what language is "acceptable" to talk about the r8pe of CHILDREN or the r8pe and beating of wives.. "Holy" attached to an expletive is the least of the Christians' concerns.
My heart is on FIRE and I am furious for these victims.
Kristin Kobes Du Mez isn't a progressive? What does it take to be a Progressive these days?
She most certainly leans progressive on a few issues, but she is a self-described conservative Calvinist.
@@SonsofPatriarchy I'm not trying to debate these issues here, I'm just trying to describe things accurately. I don't see how someone couldn't be considered a Progressive if they support abortion and if they favor LBGT office bearers. If that's not progressive I'm truly unsure of what the term means in a Christian context.
That's why I said she has progressive leanings. Many (including myself) are considered progressive because fight against systemic racism and abuse.
@@SonsofPatriarchyThank you for engaging in the fight. Those of us who have had their voice taken away by this insidious wickedness don’t care how you lean. You are so appreciated, and I thank God for you!
@@SonsofPatriarchy I still don't see how this clarifies things. The issues I raised are distinctively progressive. If those beliefs don't equate to progressivism then the term seems useless. I guess I'll go along with what you're saying; what does make someone a progressive (rather than someone with progressive leanings)? If abortion/LGBT issues don't count the only other subjects that I can think of are better described by theological liberalism (such as denying infallibility, virgin birth, the supernatural, etc.). Is that what you're talking about? I'm not trying to pick a fight here or dismiss people based on label, but I am trying to make sense of how you guys are describing yourselves, because it seems like your definitions are rendering these terms meaningless. To you, what makes someone a progressive Christian (& I'm not talking about the labels people ascribe to you)?