What specifically got flagged? Mundus railing the sex doll, Dante's Austin Powers dress up, Vergil in his DMC3 outfit? Sorry I just like to try and understand this backwards ass content review
So again.... Johnny questioning zoomer lingo only to then utter the phrase "fetus deletus" not even two minutes later is a high point of the entire channel. AND THANK GOD THAT BIT DIDN'T GET TAKEN OUT LOL
And let me tell you, as a Sonic fan with a MYRIAD of unpopular opinions about the series (one of them being that I find the classic games overrated), Johnny’s statement about being a Sonic fan really resonated with me!
@@veggsbacon1891here's a bold opinion: Shadow is a good game. Flawed, like melee weapons are useless, homing attack has an unintuitive threat area, and the plot suffers from the mission structure, and some missions are long in the tooth, but it's a good game besides. Once you learn the homing attack and how to control the movement and momentum you can get around with great fun. The guns are fun, lots of the missions are fun to do, the music is great and diverse and so are the locales despite it being mostly city/industrial cores, they branch out on the concept well. The characters are fun, the aesthetic is a unique take on 2000s grit, and whether intentionally or not, the dialogue is all cheesy enough that it has the effect of being entertaining. 10 year olds are stupid enough to start saying damn because their cartoon hedgehog said it, I know, I was 10 or 11 or something, but that's what a parent/guardian is for, they tell them to clean up their mouth. They can do all that while still knowing the script is hammy and laughing along with it.
My absolute favorite thing about the story is toward the end of the game where the Villain of the story asks our Hero………”Why did you kill my child?” calmly
Ironically Ninja Theory’s original pitch for the reboot was actually closer to the original series, but Capcom said it wasn’t western enough and pushed them to make the reboot we actually ended getting. Though I am glad that DmC is more accepted nowadays, to a degree that DMC5 actually contains references to DmC, such as Dante’s alt colors being reboot Dante’s colors.
Keiji Inafune is truly the one to blame because he believed every Capcom game should be westernized. I'm so glad they fired that clown and look at what he developed after leaving Capcom lol.
DMC5 has DmC references, but it also has a scene blatantly mocking Tameem's attitude towards DMC fans. It seems Itsuno likes DmC but hates the attitude it was made with.
I do love how one of the biggest inspirations for Donte is Tyler Durden as to what a "cool" character should be. Great, so not only do they not get Dante, they don't get Fight Club either
@@Richterdgfhe’s a domestic terrorist who indoctrinates downtrodden men beaten down by the depressing sides of the capitalist system. AND he was a *split personality of an unstable borderline nihilist*
Honestly, everything about mainline Dante is WHY he’s so cool to begin with. The kind of man that is a doofus (and or have a gay cowboy moment /joke) without shame is going to be the coolest person in the room lol
I think the reason why people prefer Dante and Vergil from the main series than here is because they fall under the type of puzzle piece scenario. What I mean by that is viewers are able to put together a scenario of their character progression from moments in the stories and see how goes along. Like yes we don't see this kind of brother interaction between Dante and Vergil like we do in this game, but people have been at least get a closer look through the dialogue they exchange in the last act of 3, Dante trying to get Yamato back in 4 and all the moments between the brothers in 5. They do care for each other, even if they don't say or show us the actual signs. Sometimes a viewer can tell what a character's dynamic can be by listening to all of the dialogue really closely.
And that kind of storytelling just doesn’t work for some people which is why I prefer how DmC handles its story. I shouldn’t have to pull out my literary analysis skills to get things like the dynamics between the characters and the additional layers of their personalities. That stuff should be clear in the story.
@@jennifergriel861but think abput it. Im not saying that there shouldn't be games with crystal clear character dynamics, but should you REALLY not have to pull out your analysis skills?
@@carlosemilio5180 not just to understand the basic narrative of a hack and slash like DMC. People act like this series has such a deep narrative but if you only play the games (which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do) it’s not. I’m tired of people telling me that the series has so many layers if you read the mangas and listen to the audio dramas and that stuff is all there in the games if you just think more deeply about it and honestly I can’t help but think that people are just projecting any narrative complexity from the supplementary material and the spin-offs into the games when it’s just not there.
Oh hey, a Johnny reupload, and rewatching Johnny is fun. Once again, there is usually at least one game in a franchise that divides its fanbase, and this is no different.
I remember playing DMC4 as my entrance to the series, taking one look at DmC and going “what even is this, rebooting it already?” And checked out for a long while.
From the moment Johnny started this marathon, _this_ was the review I was waiting for, especially after hearing that he had little, if any, prior experience with the franchise prior to starting this marathon and, thus, didn't have decades of calcified fanboy nostalgia making it harder to see clearly. I was curious to see where he'd eventually come down it, since I figured he wouldn't just blindly follow the consensus At the time I played it, it was the _only_ DMC game I'd even played, as most of them weren't on PC (the only platform I own), and being a reboot, it seemed like as good a place to try to jump on as any... and I thoroughly enjoyed my time with it. It didn't become an all-time favorite. I only played through it the one time, and haven't gone back to it since, unlike say Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, which I have revisited at least one or two times since my initial run. But at the same time, there was no point in that one run where I felt like I was forcing myself to keep playing or thinking about all of the better ways I could be spending my time. I enjoyed my time with the game from start to finish! Perhaps it's because I tend to spend more time with strategy and tactics games (XCOM & XCOM 2 are the most-played games in my Steam library for a reason), but I even appreciated the whole angel/devil mechanic. Sure it tripped me up, but it _also_ forced me to actually stop and _think_ about what I was doing... to _plan_ my attacks, rather than just mindlessly button-mashing my way to victory. It's the same reason I appreciate the combat in the Arkham games. Sure you _can_ simply button-mash your way through those games, but if you want to keep your combo going and truly feel like Batman, you need to be scanning the battlefield, picking out the most urgent target of the moment, and figuring out how you're going to deal with it. You need to be thinking at least two or three steps ahead or some punk will get a lucky shot in, breaking your chain. Once it clicks, it gets to be a bit like Holmes's fights in the RDJ movies. Was DMC a perfect game? Hell no! Obviously not... but I always felt the game got _WAAAAY_ more crap than it deserved simply because it wasn't the game fans wanted. As someone who didn't have any of that baggage, it was a perfectly enjoyable game. It wasn't even merely serviceable. It's a genuinely _good_ game... one of the _better_ examples in a genre that's incredibly easy to screw up. But it isn't the best, and it fell short of the masterpiece fans had built the franchise up to be, and so it was immediately relegated to the dustbin of history... rather unfairly, in my opinion. I'm glad to see that Johnny enjoyed his time with it, as well!
So in this game sparda is a guy who was taken and sent to hell captured and tortured forever. BUT bosses are still like "son of Sparta?" Where sparta is just some guy. You can tell where itsuno cane in for the scripting process jump in
Looking closely at DMC Dante's drawing in the thumbnail (good artstyle btw) I realize that the lines around him, apart from having a white color also have a little blue on the left and a little red on the right. I think that's a reference to the fact that 'Donte' is a half angel, half demon hybrid and he uses light and dark weapons. Props to the artist.
You handled the age restriction of your previous DMC video very well, Johnny. By the way, the combat in this game reminds me of a game called Valkyrie Drive Bhikkhuni.
14:14 There's 3 comics that serve as a prequel of the game which tell the story of how Vergil and Kat meet, in this story it is stated that he was basically fighting against the world alone, using his Devil Trigger corrupted him so much to the point he said that if he used it just one more time he would lose his humanity. Vergil sent Kat to find Dante also as a sort of contingency plan in case he actually did. In the end, Dante defeated Vergil but was too late to save him, even the song that plays during the final battle says "for their eyes, kill me, spare me".
I think dante in the original series had more development albeit more games. In 3 he wasnt really happy with what he was and was very guarded just masking it with jokes until he saw what lady has been going through and losing vergil at the end. Hes accepted yeah hes human and not just some monster. In dmc 1 after going through all his battles and confusion with triss he accepts his demon half. Dmc 2 we dont talk about, but dmc4 hes in a nice mentor role for nero but still messing with him as afterall hes dante hes rarely serious. Now dmc 5 that ups the characters tremendously for all the main cast and id say is the best game in the series. El donte hes too try hard for my liking and with what theyre trying to message its a bit hypocritical to be doing the samething in real life that your in game demons do. But the combat was fun not as good as 5 or 3 but still entertaining enough.
I'll say it again, please never feel nervous about giving your opinion on a game. You're ironically one of the least obnoxious game critics on this site.
I love this game it’s glad to see someone who while still critical was completely fair to this game. And it’s just nice to see another fan of it alongside the original series. I love that Dante feels very balanced in several ways, a mix of Dante and Nero, light/ heavy weapons, and horizontal mobility. These things make him my favorite playable character. And I think Ninja Theory’s story and visual design are overlooked. This game did well improving some problems with the older games like tedious back and forth, rushed campaigns, and bad camera/ platforming. It’s a good combat game as always, but it’s a good game outside of that as well. And I really like that. Enjoy playing through 5
Respect to Johnny for actually doing research into why a good chunk of the fandom write this game off and not just brushing off the reasons why. If they didn't try to slap the DMC name on it or if they marketed it as a sub-series like Mega Man's various spin offs, the fans wouldn't have ripped it to shreds.
@@siberian4097 You're joking right? The Sonic community more reasonable than the DMC community? You're either trolling or haven't witnessed how stupid the Sonic fandom can get. Especially since the reaction from DMC fans was completely justified ultimately when the series was going to be replaced by a game that discards the identity of the series in an attempt to pander to an audience who didn't like DMC in the first place. Sonic fans on the other hand freaked out about Sonic Boom replacing the main series despite it being established that it would not, complained about the length of Sonic's quills or started flame wars with other fandom's over a Game Awards Poll. And look, DmC is not the train wreck that the fandom wished it would be and it's fine to like it however claiming the naysayers are mentally incapable for not giving the game chance because you like it is shitty. It's one thing to judge a piece of media by its own merits but if this bold new direction is going to replace what came before and become the standard going forward, it should be compared to what came before and the reboot clearly didn't convince any of the original players at the time. And these same people have no reason to give it a fair go now. It's been a decade since it came out and why revisit a game from back then when newer stuff is coming out? Let alone if you even have the time to play as many games 10 years later.
Rewatching to you UA-cam premium watch time. Like I said in my original post in the original video. I absolutely love your take on this version. It honestly is my favorite from a story perspective since it fully fleshes out the characters. Great video like always Johnny!
I feel like this game promoted itself in all the worst ways possible that it gave fans such a negative impression, that even when it didi come out and be an pretty fun, the stigma stuck with it and still never went away
Way late, but I remember being there back in the day when every other day some writer from IGN or Kotaku would put in their two cents to bash fans for being put off by the new direction, and they really are as much a part of the game getting ripped to shreds as the new direction itself.
I've said for a long time that this game is a solid and fun game to play. But it's biggest flaw is the Devil May Cry label. If they just renamed the characters and called the game something like "Nephilim: fall of limbo" it would've been better received
True , if it Where another Game And Not a DmC Game It Would Be Great Some Names Like : "The Journey Of The Nephelim" "The Nephilim" or... "The Nephilim and The Insanity Of Limbo" Would Fit Greatly!
I'll always say it had this been a new IP it would've had a better reception. Hell I'd still like to see the original vision of the more somber and haunting vibe they were going for in the teaser. The haphazard shifting of gears after the initial reception did not work for this games narrative.
I can't say I'm fond of the redesigns and writing, but the art direction in the levels is pretty damn good. I'd even argue that the level aesthetics are better than the main series. But messing up Vergil (in lore and gameplay) is absolutely unforgivable.
@@truefenriz dmc5 states the reason vergil summoned the tower in dmc3 was because he was weaker than dante but in the prequel manga and in mission 7 we see vergil stomp dante 2-0 meaning he was stronger and never needed to summon the tower to begin with which was the whole plot of dmc3
@@souljagod420 In 5, Vergil was weaker than Dante before he split himself in two. Vergil was dying after all and only upon eating the Qliphoth fruit, did Vergil gain power that matched Dante's power. Also, seeing as Vergil was turned into Nelo Angelo in 1 and was supposed to be dead in 2 and 4 compared to Dante who was actively fighting demons post-DMC 3 and growing stronger (shown by how easily he handles demons in 2 and 4 as compared to 3 and 1), Dante already was the stronger twin by then. Also, I think you are misunderstanding the story of 3. Prior to 3, we see that Vergil is definitely stronger than Dante because while Vergil accepted his demonic heritage, Dante refused to accept it which made him the weaker twin. 3 is Dante's journey in accepting his demonic heritage and his role as a protector of the Human World in which he grows stronger throughout his various battles in 3 while holding onto his humanity whereas Vergil does not grow. Vergil stayed the same in terms of power (he only picked up two new Devil Arms vs Dante's larger variety which he got by defeating various demons) which led to Dante overcoming Vergil by becoming the stronger twin at the end. You can see this by how Dante lost the first fight, fought to a standstill in the second and finally, won the third fight. So, it isn't a plothole that Dante became the stronger twin while starting out as the weaker twin. Chronologically, it makes sense following the established timeline of 3, 1, 2, 4 and 5.
@@truefenriz i understand the story. tell me what was vergils motivation for summoning the tower in dmc3. because according to what is literally said in 5 is that he wanted to beat dante but he already did prior to dmc3 and therefore had no reason for the tower to begin with. that is the plothole. why does the story even happen in 3 if vergil's lifelong goal is achieved before the game even starts
Aesthetically, I liked that this game went for a more punk rock-ish look. I thought it worked well as an alternate "origin" to OG Dante, who is _very_ "90's thrash metal" (the kind of guy who would walk down a sidewalk with shades and a giant boom box on his shoulder). I actually kinda wish DmC pushed that "70's London" look further. It's a nice blend of colorful and gritty, and it meshes well, I think, to the game's anti-establishment story. I'm not saying I want Dante to run around with a giant green Mohawk, but I _am_ saying that I really like the potential art direction.
The slug thing being the ingredient for Soda is literally ripped from Futurama and their whole thing with Slurm. Also I was a QA tester for this game and had to play it SO many times and still didn't end up hating it. It's pretty decent :)
I can't say that I'm surprised that you liked the game and that's fair lol. Me personally, I didn't much care for the game 10 years ago and my feelings are still more or less the same nowadays but it comes with a caveat, the caveat being that had this game just been an entirely new series that was a spiritual successor to the Devil May Cry series like how Yooka Layla was a spiritual successor to Banjo & Kazooie, I would've been more favorable to it. It did have some interesting ideas that could've been built upon. I actually liked "Donte's" design and I agree that his brotherly interaction with Vergil minus the occasional cringe like "My dick is bigger" (who actually says that to their brother...? CRINGE.). The world while not all that interesting to me personally, it would've been intriguing to see how they would build upon it and I can admit that the platforming elements with them were quite fun. In short, the concept had potential. I'm not gonna deny that the gameplay was solid (even if it was simplistic compared to the classic games) and it had a banging soundtrack (mostly the Industrial Rock, not so much the dubstep lol). Only other thing I didn't like besides the on the nose edgy writing was how it handled the female characters this time around what with Kat being a damsel and Lilith being a plot deviced object. But at least with Kat, there would've been sequel potential where she could learn how to do more offensive magic & spells to better defend herself. Anyway the point is, the female characters were poorly handled imo, a far cry from what we got with capable Lady & Trish. But yeah I digress, had they just made this a new IP, made "Donte" and "Fergil" be new characters like I dunno, calling them Keith ("Dante") and Aiden ("Vergil"),I would've so been rooting for the game to get a sequel. But as is... It just didn't really do it for me as a whole package. I don't begrudge those who like the game because the gameplay is fun no doubt. But as a "Devil May Cry" game? I just don't see it nor would care to view it that way and I'm glad hat tthey returned to the original aesthetic and style that originally defined the series. 🌟But like others have said, if they were to revive this series, scrap it's relation to Devil May Cry and make it it's own series, potential trilogy? I would no question support it. 🙂
I think one of the biggest things that people especially original fans of the DMC franchise is that the Angelic and demonic thing where you have to hold triggers which yea makes you have pretzel hands which for people who do intense DMC Combos than the muscle memory gets fucked by Pretezlmorphisis.
I mean, up until DMC5, we didn't get any material showing what Dante and Vergil are like when they're not enemies, so, it's not such a wild thing for someone to say.
Well, at least this is the earliest I've been to a Johnny video in a hot minute. I'd only ever heard of the Devil May Cry series but they look like a fun time through these reviews and comment sections.
I don't know if you know this, but Hardcore mode (Definitive Edition exclusive) fixes the Devil Trigger issue. I believe it also changes the rank system to be more in line with the previous games, where you have to vary your attacks.
I didn't play the game until after beating DMC5, loving it, and getting into DMC3 and DMC4 and loving those too. As such, my opinion on it is one coming from a latecomer who already knew that DMC5 would go on to exist after this game. Under that context, I also found the game enjoyable. The story is goofy but generally nothing too bad and the gameplay is honestly pretty damn fun. However, I can also understand how people must have felt under the context of this game being brand new. Imagine playing DMC4 as a fan of DMC3 and at least liking it if not loving it, only for Capcom to ditch that storyline and make this instead of a sequel. I prefer the storyline of the original series any day, so I can very much empathize with the fear that this was going to be the series from now on and we wouldn't get any more games in the original continuity. Under that perspective, I can see where people were coming from being so harsh on the game, and the relative love the game is starting to get in a post-DMC5 world also makes a lot of sense. Generally speaking, the game is a pretty harmless standalone adventure telling a completely original story unrelated to the main series. For those thinking of trying it, just think of it as an edgy spinoff taking place in an alternate universe. The gameplay is the real star of the show in this one, the combo system feels fantastic to get good with and the sense of flow is phenomenal. Dante acts and plays like the main series Dante and Nero did a DBZ Fusion Dance, and it works way better than it has any right to.
I appreciate that while you liked the game, you tried to see things from the mindset of the 2010s of a Devil May Cry fan who had been playing the game since the beginning or DMC3 in the 2000s. Feelings on this game have softened since the fans got a proper Devil May Cry game follow up for sure but at the time, it was understandable why the fans were annoyed of this.
You have to keep in mind the period of the now and then, with DMC5 release, DmC:DmC hate lessened a lot due to that. But before that, it was a different reception since DmC:DmC was possibly the last time the series would've been touched and would (At the time) go forward with that. Combined with the director and media attitude, alongside the game being a slight downgrade. OG fans was pissed is putting it lightly.
I saw the OG upload and the irony of all this is ads that played were all of the "eff them kids" theme, one of them cutting in right before Vergil goes Fetus Deletus , so youtube's hypocrisy strikes again
I loved Donte's adventure. Combichrist was fantastic, but it was my first Devil May Cry game so I didn't quite 'get' the backlash at the time. Fully understand it now, though.
I really got into their music after this game, so that's a positive for me at least. I ever need to let some anger out after a shit day at work? I blast their music and feel better lol
I’ve played the reboot when it came out, and it wasn’t as horrible as the fans exaggerated. It was okay game. It wasn’t as incredible and fast paced and stylish as the originals, but it was an okay game.
@usmantariq3316 Most fans never said it was horrible, just that the way the game, the devs, and journos responded treated fans of the pre reboot games was terrible
I think those of us who like this game can agree that it would have done better as a separate IP. Rename the brothers and the final boss, cut the winking nods (or middle fingers, as the case may be) to the original series, and this game could have stood on it's own.
In that way, it's a lot like Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts. A perfectly solid game on its own merits, but weighed down by being attached to an IP that was known for being a completely different thing and blatantly insulting old fans.
@@RyanStorey1231 Rare said the reason Nuts and Bolts was made is because they runout of ideas for platformer Banjo. See collect-a-thons were needed back then, but once open world games came in, Collect-a-thons were seen as obsolete. Even Rare knows agrees with that, the idea of building was inspired by Legos.
It wasn't terrible but it lost it's identity. Some elements of this game were great, such as the environments and small elements of this game would inspire some stuff in DMC V. It was a mistake this game was ever made but had it not been called DmC, it'd have been a passable action game. With hindsight, it definitely helped reaffirm WHAT DMC's identity is. So I don't actually hate this game, it ultimately is the reason we got DMC 5, a masterpiece of action gaming.
As someone who mainly plays DMC games for the silly, ass-kicking, sexy characters (pretty much all the men and women in these games are fucking beautiful), I appreciated DmC: Devil May Cry's characters. They were more complex and I felt they had a more natural chemistry (though part of that is the impressive face tracking tek NinjaTheory used). There was more of an emphasis on character relationships than in the main-line games, and I love that. Vergil and Dante's relationship was super interesting to me too, as we finally got to see them work together and trust each other for a long stretch of time. And the villains were interesting too. I felt like I, to some degree, could understand them and their motivations outside of "power and violence good". I understand that the combat though is what most people play the main series for and DmC was lacking in complexity (in comparison). And as someone who played the original version of DmC where if you use the wrong weapon you bound off them, that shit was dumb and frustrating as hell and almost made me quit the game more than once. The definitive edition is so much better in that regard. I personally like the combat for similar reasons as you (Johnny) do, that being that I loved Nero's grappling ability in 4 and DmC expanded that. I truly wish that the mainline series and the DmC series could live alongside each other. I want more of these characters. But I agree that, if only one may survive, it should be the main-line games. But a woman can dream, right?
Let's not forget this is the only game where you could play as Virgil in an original campaign. I genuinely liked it and reckon his descent into devil madness and renouncing his angel side makes sense. Virgil's gameplay was also really fun as well I thought
this was my first dmc experience and i always felt alienated from the rest of the dmc fanbase, even one of my best friends. glad to see someone else likes it tho, i always felt like the only Kat enjoyer on the planet
Its really funny to me that the lead developer cited "he would get laughed at in a 2008 bar" as a reason to make both himself and the new Dante into a character that would be laughed at no matter when they walked into a bar. Did this guy also make Anonymous Agony? Sure sounds like it.
It's fun, the combat is great, I'd argue it's the best combat in the franchise, but the fanboys will scream, even though I know how to combo cancel, jump guard and do all the advanced mechanics in the older games. I think DMC 3 is my personal favorite of the original series. I haven't played DMC 5 in a while, the hype for DMC 5 kind of fizzled out fast. DMC 5 is still a fantastic game though.
This DMC got DMCAed... Jokes aside, this game was my first game to introduce to the entire franchise and ironically, I consider this game to be one of my favorite hack and slash games period, below Bayonetta 2 and DMC5. gameplay was solid and the level design was very fun to like platform and even see the secrets. Hell, I almost 100% this game but those red souls were annoying to grab in some levels.
I'm glad you spoke your mind about liking the game rather than toning it down to please fans! I still don't think I can agree with liking the story, but that ultimately comes down to personal taste (and besides, I'm one of the people who think Dante's dour mood in 1 and 2 is a genuine [unintentional] character arc about becoming hardened after repeatedly fucking up in 3 and then lightening up after meeting Nero, so what do I know about good storytelling) but I can definitely agree with the combat, even if its a bit more mindless than some of the others, its a lot of fun! definitely more enjoyable than 1 or 2, and with much better platforming than any of the others. That being said, I can't really say I'm disappointed this version of the series didn't go any further, I still can't find myself enjoying the characters or world, and I still prefer the gameplay of most of the other games. Ultimately, I think the game's biggest mistake was just being called Devil May Cry, while we can look back at it now as its own thing, at the time this was meant to be the future of the series, and I can't say I'd be happy with that. I think that if it had been its own thing, it would be far more fondly remembered as a fun character action game, rather than the game that almost destroyed a franchise. I hope you enjoy 5! Probably my favorite game in the series
The first time I ever heard of Heavenly Sword was Playstation All Stars Battle Royale. Fun Fact: I just looked this up at 1:25 PM CST there is a 2 Episode cartoon based on this game along with a movie released back in 2014.
DmC was a decent, even cool game that was made at the wrong time, and possibly by some of the wrong people Lots of cool stuff about it, but the attitudes and trends of the time really just killed it in the cradle. Its the epitome of a series going through an wakward teen phase But thats okay, because its influence on 5 is apparent and I'm glad Capcom didn't course correct too hard by disregarding it completely, even when they decided that they would follow up on DMC4 for the series big comeback
HARD disagree on the Mundus from the reboot being better villain than the original from the first Devil May Cry. While yes, there isn't much to original Mundus' character beyond being a malevolent god, I'd argue he isn't the sort of villain to whom that would have even been the point. As an antagonist he isn't so much a character as he is a force of nature with an intent, an overlooming threat, whose forboding presence permeates through the entire adventure (think to the effect of Sauron from Lord of the Rings), and as such Mundus from Devil May Cry 1 is remarkably effective; it's made clear by the in-game clues scattered throughout Mallet Island, that Mundus' underlying presence constantly hanging upon the game-world, making it all warped and ominous, is the very reason why the first game has more palpable gothic horror feel to it than any other game in the series and that further reflects in how the closer you get to Mundus, the more hazardous and creepy the game-world becomes. And so I'd almost argue them making him more of a character in the reboot is part of the reason why he no longer works in that game. Though the larger issue is the fact they gave him the character of an overly crass saturday morning cartoon villain, who talks big game about getting Dante soon at the start of the game, while throughout it all he manages to do is throw couple of impotent temper tantrums over his plans being foiled, until you face him as a sorry excuse of a climatic endgame bossfight, which makes the idea of him as this world-conquering villain we're supposed to take seriously nothing short of laughable.
It seriously felt like Capcom was rebooting the series for reasons that didn’t make a whole lot of sense. The characterization, the world, the writing, trying to appeal to the west it felt like the things fans loved about DMC was why the game didn’t sell as well as Capcom wanted it to and Tameem’s reasons for changing up Dante were not only baffling and practically insulting but they weren’t good justifications to begin with. And eventually saying that old Dante would get laughed at at a bar and a “Gay cowboy” was a terrible choice of words. And hell I’ve heard fans were sending death threats not only stamen but Ninja Theory and just snapping at the fans was just embarrassing. And to me it looked like he wanted to change Dante through passion but instead of just not liking the character at all and just wanted to change things for the sake of it. He was clearly acting dickish and selfish about the whole thing
This was actually my introduction to DMC and I LOVED this game the smooth combat beautiful and creative level design it was really fun for me. And today I still have a soft spot for this game, on just gameplay alone I still get a real kick out of it. Looking back I don’t really like the characters as they were either generic or just unlikable and trying way too hard to be cool and the story while I do find interesting and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t intrigued to see where it was heading, to me it was the characters that just kind of ruins things for me, specifically how Dante and Vergil were handled. And there is certainly effort at telling a story and does have way more going on compared to the four games the writing, the interactions Dante has with everyone always came off as tasteless and juvenile to me. If the characters are so unlikable then you don’t give me a reason to care about them. Some may not see it as a big deal and if you enjoy the story John, more power to you man and hey I give you credit at saying actual nice things about the story while pointing out things that don’t age well but to me the story kind of falls flat on its face.
Yeah I'll watch it a second time. This was actually my first-ever DMC game and I liked it quite a bit without the context of the rest of the series. Went back and tried the first game and was too intimidated by restarting levels every time I died that I dropped it for a while. Now that I've finished all the games I'd still say the reboot is at least tied with 4 for me, if not ranked a little higher. Can't wait to see what you think of 5.
Re-upload? You're lying.
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0:31 If you can’t do Mortal Kombat, you can instead maybe do a video on DMC’s spiritual successor, Pizza Tower? Has DMC3’s combo meter system…kinda.
WAP is allowed to trend on here, but you can't make a game review...
I thought THIS time I could escape down here....that was not the case.
What specifically got flagged? Mundus railing the sex doll, Dante's Austin Powers dress up, Vergil in his DMC3 outfit?
Sorry I just like to try and understand this backwards ass content review
That's not very Poggers Johnny 😁
11:36 I need more insults from the zoomer city. Hearing Johnny say "That wasn't very poggers Dante" will never stop being funny
Wait, wasn't there one before "That was very poggers Dante"?
I need games to tell me "Skill Issue" lmao
@@blizzardforonline1954yeah, that’s the thing that needed editing lmao
If this game doesn't get a PC mod explicitly just to change the city into zoomer city, I'm going to be massively disappointed
@@blizzardforonline1954 Yeah, it was "get cucked" but that got edited out.
The video escaped limbo
Lel
😂😂😂😂dammit the moment i saw it was reuploaded i was gonna type the same thing lol big W
Why was the video age restricted?
@@cryguy0000UA-cam being a UA-cam as always.
Johnny played Monster Reborn to resurrect the video
The game ain't half bad. I remember when Donte said "Welcome to DMC! It stands for Devil May Cry and you're watching Disney Channel"
Disney May Channel
Ugh not these sorts of comments again 🤦♂️
I want to like your comment, but it's at 69 likes and I don't want to ruin it.
Edit: Never mind. Guess I'll like away!
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind That wasn't very poggers FindingsOfAnArmouredMind
@piranhalettuce That wasn't very original
piranhalettuce
So again.... Johnny questioning zoomer lingo only to then utter the phrase "fetus deletus" not even two minutes later is a high point of the entire channel.
AND THANK GOD THAT BIT DIDN'T GET TAKEN OUT LOL
seriously, if that bit got taken out I would of been super disappointed.
That line sounded like it would have been a candidate for the chopping block
@@KingOmega123It was the first thing I checked for because I thought it WAS the part he had to edit out.
Maybe that was the reason it got age restricted or it might be the succubus “F” you cutscene.
Yea seriously😂 that was a spit take for me. Out of nowhere.
The struck realization of being a Sonic-fan made me laugh even harder the second time.
And let me tell you, as a Sonic fan with a MYRIAD of unpopular opinions about the series (one of them being that I find the classic games overrated), Johnny’s statement about being a Sonic fan really resonated with me!
Shadow the Hedgehog is a pretty fun yet funny game. Not good, but at least it's better than a sonic oc fanfiction with a budget (sonic fartces).
@@veggsbacon1891 Truth be told, I actually kind of enjoy Forces. I’d play it over Sonic 1, the Adventure games, and ESPECIALLY Sonic CD any day.
@jaredargento1511 Ah, 3% of the fandom. But we all know Zavok is best character and Big is God. 🤓☝🏼
@@veggsbacon1891here's a bold opinion: Shadow is a good game. Flawed, like melee weapons are useless, homing attack has an unintuitive threat area, and the plot suffers from the mission structure, and some missions are long in the tooth, but it's a good game besides. Once you learn the homing attack and how to control the movement and momentum you can get around with great fun. The guns are fun, lots of the missions are fun to do, the music is great and diverse and so are the locales despite it being mostly city/industrial cores, they branch out on the concept well. The characters are fun, the aesthetic is a unique take on 2000s grit, and whether intentionally or not, the dialogue is all cheesy enough that it has the effect of being entertaining. 10 year olds are stupid enough to start saying damn because their cartoon hedgehog said it, I know, I was 10 or 11 or something, but that's what a parent/guardian is for, they tell them to clean up their mouth. They can do all that while still knowing the script is hammy and laughing along with it.
My absolute favorite thing about the story is toward the end of the game where the Villain of the story asks our Hero………”Why did you kill my child?” calmly
*_"EL DONTE!"_*
*"DID YOU KILL MY CHILD WITH DA GOBELT OF FIYA-"*
MUNDUS ASKS CALMLY
Well he killed the hero parents first so payback I guess
Ironically Ninja Theory’s original pitch for the reboot was actually closer to the original series, but Capcom said it wasn’t western enough and pushed them to make the reboot we actually ended getting. Though I am glad that DmC is more accepted nowadays, to a degree that DMC5 actually contains references to DmC, such as Dante’s alt colors being reboot Dante’s colors.
Keiji Inafune is truly the one to blame because he believed every Capcom game should be westernized. I'm so glad they fired that clown and look at what he developed after leaving Capcom lol.
DMC5 has DmC references, but it also has a scene blatantly mocking Tameem's attitude towards DMC fans. It seems Itsuno likes DmC but hates the attitude it was made with.
Certified Keiji Inafune moment
Inafune
@@northwindkey Wait, what scene?
Every somecallmejohnny DmC review is personalized.
I do love how one of the biggest inspirations for Donte is Tyler Durden as to what a "cool" character should be. Great, so not only do they not get Dante, they don't get Fight Club either
Explains so much about the director
People who miss the point of Fight Club always surprised and slightly scare me.
Thinking Tyler Durden is cool is to miss the whole point of the character.
@@Richterdgfhe’s a domestic terrorist who indoctrinates downtrodden men beaten down by the depressing sides of the capitalist system. AND he was a *split personality of an unstable borderline nihilist*
Honestly, everything about mainline Dante is WHY he’s so cool to begin with. The kind of man that is a doofus (and or have a gay cowboy moment /joke) without shame is going to be the coolest person in the room lol
11:43 Thank God this joke wasn't edited out. Still the hardest I've laughed in a while 😂
Unfortunately Johnny had to remove the part of it where limbo says "Get cucked" with shirtless Donte next to it. rip 😔
Dante doesnt get age restricted. Donte gets age restricted. a point against DmC
El Donte wouldnt get age restricted. Should have used the mod.
@@Future_Vantas It helps a lot. That mod. Spanish Dante would work a lot for a reboot imo
I think the reason why people prefer Dante and Vergil from the main series than here is because they fall under the type of puzzle piece scenario. What I mean by that is viewers are able to put together a scenario of their character progression from moments in the stories and see how goes along. Like yes we don't see this kind of brother interaction between Dante and Vergil like we do in this game, but people have been at least get a closer look through the dialogue they exchange in the last act of 3, Dante trying to get Yamato back in 4 and all the moments between the brothers in 5. They do care for each other, even if they don't say or show us the actual signs. Sometimes a viewer can tell what a character's dynamic can be by listening to all of the dialogue really closely.
And that kind of storytelling just doesn’t work for some people which is why I prefer how DmC handles its story. I shouldn’t have to pull out my literary analysis skills to get things like the dynamics between the characters and the additional layers of their personalities. That stuff should be clear in the story.
@@jennifergriel861but think abput it. Im not saying that there shouldn't be games with crystal clear character dynamics, but should you REALLY not have to pull out your analysis skills?
@@carlosemilio5180 not just to understand the basic narrative of a hack and slash like DMC. People act like this series has such a deep narrative but if you only play the games (which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do) it’s not. I’m tired of people telling me that the series has so many layers if you read the mangas and listen to the audio dramas and that stuff is all there in the games if you just think more deeply about it and honestly I can’t help but think that people are just projecting any narrative complexity from the supplementary material and the spin-offs into the games when it’s just not there.
@@jennifergriel861 Okay, but then don't get on people's cases for liking this kind of analysis!
Dang it! I would normally say “Ever get that feeling of déjà vu?”, but the start puts a damper on that.
Oh hey, a Johnny reupload, and rewatching Johnny is fun.
Once again, there is usually at least one game in a franchise that divides its fanbase, and this is no different.
Why did he reupload the video (Update. Nevermind. I know now)
@@Tsukiru My fault for neither watching the video. Nor looking at the community tab
I remember playing DMC4 as my entrance to the series, taking one look at DmC and going “what even is this, rebooting it already?” And checked out for a long while.
Man that sucks the original video got age-restricted
This game is one of the rare instances of “Good Game. Wrong IP”
From the moment Johnny started this marathon, _this_ was the review I was waiting for, especially after hearing that he had little, if any, prior experience with the franchise prior to starting this marathon and, thus, didn't have decades of calcified fanboy nostalgia making it harder to see clearly. I was curious to see where he'd eventually come down it, since I figured he wouldn't just blindly follow the consensus
At the time I played it, it was the _only_ DMC game I'd even played, as most of them weren't on PC (the only platform I own), and being a reboot, it seemed like as good a place to try to jump on as any... and I thoroughly enjoyed my time with it. It didn't become an all-time favorite. I only played through it the one time, and haven't gone back to it since, unlike say Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, which I have revisited at least one or two times since my initial run. But at the same time, there was no point in that one run where I felt like I was forcing myself to keep playing or thinking about all of the better ways I could be spending my time. I enjoyed my time with the game from start to finish!
Perhaps it's because I tend to spend more time with strategy and tactics games (XCOM & XCOM 2 are the most-played games in my Steam library for a reason), but I even appreciated the whole angel/devil mechanic. Sure it tripped me up, but it _also_ forced me to actually stop and _think_ about what I was doing... to _plan_ my attacks, rather than just mindlessly button-mashing my way to victory. It's the same reason I appreciate the combat in the Arkham games. Sure you _can_ simply button-mash your way through those games, but if you want to keep your combo going and truly feel like Batman, you need to be scanning the battlefield, picking out the most urgent target of the moment, and figuring out how you're going to deal with it. You need to be thinking at least two or three steps ahead or some punk will get a lucky shot in, breaking your chain. Once it clicks, it gets to be a bit like Holmes's fights in the RDJ movies.
Was DMC a perfect game? Hell no! Obviously not... but I always felt the game got _WAAAAY_ more crap than it deserved simply because it wasn't the game fans wanted. As someone who didn't have any of that baggage, it was a perfectly enjoyable game. It wasn't even merely serviceable. It's a genuinely _good_ game... one of the _better_ examples in a genre that's incredibly easy to screw up. But it isn't the best, and it fell short of the masterpiece fans had built the franchise up to be, and so it was immediately relegated to the dustbin of history... rather unfairly, in my opinion.
I'm glad to see that Johnny enjoyed his time with it, as well!
So in this game sparda is a guy who was taken and sent to hell captured and tortured forever. BUT bosses are still like "son of Sparta?" Where sparta is just some guy. You can tell where itsuno cane in for the scripting process jump in
Looking closely at DMC Dante's drawing in the thumbnail (good artstyle btw) I realize that the lines around him, apart from having a white color also have a little blue on the left and a little red on the right.
I think that's a reference to the fact that 'Donte' is a half angel, half demon hybrid and he uses light and dark weapons.
Props to the artist.
You handled the age restriction of your previous DMC video very well, Johnny. By the way, the combat in this game reminds me of a game called Valkyrie Drive Bhikkhuni.
Ah yes, Diablo Poder Llorar: Featuring Donté, el exterminador de demonios and Vergin, the breeze that is approaching.
14:14 There's 3 comics that serve as a prequel of the game which tell the story of how Vergil and Kat meet, in this story it is stated that he was basically fighting against the world alone, using his Devil Trigger corrupted him so much to the point he said that if he used it just one more time he would lose his humanity.
Vergil sent Kat to find Dante also as a sort of contingency plan in case he actually did. In the end, Dante defeated Vergil but was too late to save him, even the song that plays during the final battle says "for their eyes, kill me, spare me".
Can't stop laughing at the "that wasn't very poggers Dante" lmao
12:30 i love how he already knew what was about to happen, and the "Fetus deletus" was the cherry on top
I think dante in the original series had more development albeit more games. In 3 he wasnt really happy with what he was and was very guarded just masking it with jokes until he saw what lady has been going through and losing vergil at the end. Hes accepted yeah hes human and not just some monster. In dmc 1 after going through all his battles and confusion with triss he accepts his demon half. Dmc 2 we dont talk about, but dmc4 hes in a nice mentor role for nero but still messing with him as afterall hes dante hes rarely serious. Now dmc 5 that ups the characters tremendously for all the main cast and id say is the best game in the series. El donte hes too try hard for my liking and with what theyre trying to message its a bit hypocritical to be doing the samething in real life that your in game demons do. But the combat was fun not as good as 5 or 3 but still entertaining enough.
I'll say it again, please never feel nervous about giving your opinion on a game. You're ironically one of the least obnoxious game critics on this site.
I love this game it’s glad to see someone who while still critical was completely fair to this game. And it’s just nice to see another fan of it alongside the original series. I love that Dante feels very balanced in several ways, a mix of Dante and Nero, light/ heavy weapons, and horizontal mobility. These things make him my favorite playable character. And I think Ninja Theory’s story and visual design are overlooked. This game did well improving some problems with the older games like tedious back and forth, rushed campaigns, and bad camera/ platforming. It’s a good combat game as always, but it’s a good game outside of that as well. And I really like that.
Enjoy playing through 5
Damn Johnny loved this game so much he played it twice
I absolutely adore this game. ESPECIALLY the music. I love the fuck out of the battle music.
Okay, let's do this one more time...
Ah yes, the "I'm one of the cool kids" period of Capcom.
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oh my god, a wild 2014 Jane Douglas appeared.
She's always lovely
Respect to Johnny for actually doing research into why a good chunk of the fandom write this game off and not just brushing off the reasons why. If they didn't try to slap the DMC name on it or if they marketed it as a sub-series like Mega Man's various spin offs, the fans wouldn't have ripped it to shreds.
@@siberian4097 You're joking right? The Sonic community more reasonable than the DMC community? You're either trolling or haven't witnessed how stupid the Sonic fandom can get. Especially since the reaction from DMC fans was completely justified ultimately when the series was going to be replaced by a game that discards the identity of the series in an attempt to pander to an audience who didn't like DMC in the first place. Sonic fans on the other hand freaked out about Sonic Boom replacing the main series despite it being established that it would not, complained about the length of Sonic's quills or started flame wars with other fandom's over a Game Awards Poll.
And look, DmC is not the train wreck that the fandom wished it would be and it's fine to like it however claiming the naysayers are mentally incapable for not giving the game chance because you like it is shitty. It's one thing to judge a piece of media by its own merits but if this bold new direction is going to replace what came before and become the standard going forward, it should be compared to what came before and the reboot clearly didn't convince any of the original players at the time. And these same people have no reason to give it a fair go now. It's been a decade since it came out and why revisit a game from back then when newer stuff is coming out? Let alone if you even have the time to play as many games 10 years later.
It's easy to forget how Capcom's output felt borderline hostile to their fans in those days.
I honestly fully respect your opinion on this game, always appreciate you standing by your takes always; great review, can't wait for the DMC 5 review
My headcanon likes to think Dante's mother is an angel in both games.
Rewatching to you UA-cam premium watch time. Like I said in my original post in the original video. I absolutely love your take on this version. It honestly is my favorite from a story perspective since it fully fleshes out the characters. Great video like always Johnny!
I feel like this game promoted itself in all the worst ways possible that it gave fans such a negative impression, that even when it didi come out and be an pretty fun, the stigma stuck with it and still never went away
Way late, but I remember being there back in the day when every other day some writer from IGN or Kotaku would put in their two cents to bash fans for being put off by the new direction, and they really are as much a part of the game getting ripped to shreds as the new direction itself.
I'm still watching every johnny vs no matter what!!!
Here for the algorithm
Not that Johnny makes it difficult to rewatch. The laughs are always just as strong
I've said for a long time that this game is a solid and fun game to play. But it's biggest flaw is the Devil May Cry label. If they just renamed the characters and called the game something like "Nephilim: fall of limbo" it would've been better received
True , if it Where another Game And Not a DmC Game It Would Be Great Some Names Like :
"The Journey Of The Nephelim"
"The Nephilim" or...
"The Nephilim and The Insanity Of Limbo"
Would Fit Greatly!
Wtf? This sounds fucking terrible.@@Kyle_South198
@@Kyle_South198wtf? This sounds terrible
@@Professor_Genki7 can you thibk of a better one?
UA-cam couldn’t take the tomfoolery Johnny was talking about with DMC
I'll always say it had this been a new IP it would've had a better reception. Hell I'd still like to see the original vision of the more somber and haunting vibe they were going for in the teaser. The haphazard shifting of gears after the initial reception did not work for this games narrative.
I can't say I'm fond of the redesigns and writing, but the art direction in the levels is pretty damn good. I'd even argue that the level aesthetics are better than the main series. But messing up Vergil (in lore and gameplay) is absolutely unforgivable.
messed him so bad that 5 stole his backstory and made 3 the biggest plot hole in the series?
@@souljagod420 Methinks you do not know what plothole means 😂
@@truefenriz dmc5 states the reason vergil summoned the tower in dmc3 was because he was weaker than dante but in the prequel manga and in mission 7 we see vergil stomp dante 2-0 meaning he was stronger and never needed to summon the tower to begin with which was the whole plot of dmc3
@@souljagod420 In 5, Vergil was weaker than Dante before he split himself in two. Vergil was dying after all and only upon eating the Qliphoth fruit, did Vergil gain power that matched Dante's power. Also, seeing as Vergil was turned into Nelo Angelo in 1 and was supposed to be dead in 2 and 4 compared to Dante who was actively fighting demons post-DMC 3 and growing stronger (shown by how easily he handles demons in 2 and 4 as compared to 3 and 1), Dante already was the stronger twin by then.
Also, I think you are misunderstanding the story of 3. Prior to 3, we see that Vergil is definitely stronger than Dante because while Vergil accepted his demonic heritage, Dante refused to accept it which made him the weaker twin. 3 is Dante's journey in accepting his demonic heritage and his role as a protector of the Human World in which he grows stronger throughout his various battles in 3 while holding onto his humanity whereas Vergil does not grow. Vergil stayed the same in terms of power (he only picked up two new Devil Arms vs Dante's larger variety which he got by defeating various demons) which led to Dante overcoming Vergil by becoming the stronger twin at the end. You can see this by how Dante lost the first fight, fought to a standstill in the second and finally, won the third fight.
So, it isn't a plothole that Dante became the stronger twin while starting out as the weaker twin. Chronologically, it makes sense following the established timeline of 3, 1, 2, 4 and 5.
@@truefenriz i understand the story. tell me what was vergils motivation for summoning the tower in dmc3. because according to what is literally said in 5 is that he wanted to beat dante but he already did prior to dmc3 and therefore had no reason for the tower to begin with. that is the plothole. why does the story even happen in 3 if vergil's lifelong goal is achieved before the game even starts
Aesthetically, I liked that this game went for a more punk rock-ish look. I thought it worked well as an alternate "origin" to OG Dante, who is _very_ "90's thrash metal" (the kind of guy who would walk down a sidewalk with shades and a giant boom box on his shoulder).
I actually kinda wish DmC pushed that "70's London" look further. It's a nice blend of colorful and gritty, and it meshes well, I think, to the game's anti-establishment story. I'm not saying I want Dante to run around with a giant green Mohawk, but I _am_ saying that I really like the potential art direction.
The game that introduced gamers to the “Boomers Are Ruining Society!” Trope
Persona 5 did this trope better
Great video, but my favorite part was getting to see behind the scenes. Your notes were so detailed ,absolutely amazing!
Missed opportunity to call this vid the special edition
UA-cam: That wasn't very poggers Johnny
The slug thing being the ingredient for Soda is literally ripped from Futurama and their whole thing with Slurm. Also I was a QA tester for this game and had to play it SO many times and still didn't end up hating it. It's pretty decent :)
So... it was the pizza covering the taint shot that YT took issue with?
I can't say that I'm surprised that you liked the game and that's fair lol. Me personally, I didn't much care for the game 10 years ago and my feelings are still more or less the same nowadays but it comes with a caveat, the caveat being that had this game just been an entirely new series that was a spiritual successor to the Devil May Cry series like how Yooka Layla was a spiritual successor to Banjo & Kazooie, I would've been more favorable to it. It did have some interesting ideas that could've been built upon. I actually liked "Donte's" design and I agree that his brotherly interaction with Vergil minus the occasional cringe like "My dick is bigger" (who actually says that to their brother...? CRINGE.). The world while not all that interesting to me personally, it would've been intriguing to see how they would build upon it and I can admit that the platforming elements with them were quite fun.
In short, the concept had potential. I'm not gonna deny that the gameplay was solid (even if it was simplistic compared to the classic games) and it had a banging soundtrack (mostly the Industrial Rock, not so much the dubstep lol). Only other thing I didn't like besides the on the nose edgy writing was how it handled the female characters this time around what with Kat being a damsel and Lilith being a plot deviced object. But at least with Kat, there would've been sequel potential where she could learn how to do more offensive magic & spells to better defend herself. Anyway the point is, the female characters were poorly handled imo, a far cry from what we got with capable Lady & Trish.
But yeah I digress, had they just made this a new IP, made "Donte" and "Fergil" be new characters like I dunno, calling them Keith ("Dante") and Aiden ("Vergil"),I would've so been rooting for the game to get a sequel. But as is... It just didn't really do it for me as a whole package. I don't begrudge those who like the game because the gameplay is fun no doubt. But as a "Devil May Cry" game? I just don't see it nor would care to view it that way and I'm glad hat tthey returned to the original aesthetic and style that originally defined the series.
🌟But like others have said, if they were to revive this series, scrap it's relation to Devil May Cry and make it it's own series, potential trilogy? I would no question support it. 🙂
I think one of the biggest things that people especially original fans of the DMC franchise is that the Angelic and demonic thing where you have to hold triggers which yea makes you have pretzel hands which for people who do intense DMC Combos than the muscle memory gets fucked by Pretezlmorphisis.
Pretzelmorphosis is a fantastic word.
Saying the brotherly connection in the reboot is better is the one thing I can't let slide.
I mean, up until DMC5, we didn't get any material showing what Dante and Vergil are like when they're not enemies, so, it's not such a wild thing for someone to say.
Yes you can let it slide
Well, at least this is the earliest I've been to a Johnny video in a hot minute. I'd only ever heard of the Devil May Cry series but they look like a fun time through these reviews and comment sections.
I don't know if you know this, but Hardcore mode (Definitive Edition exclusive) fixes the Devil Trigger issue. I believe it also changes the rank system to be more in line with the previous games, where you have to vary your attacks.
I didn't play the game until after beating DMC5, loving it, and getting into DMC3 and DMC4 and loving those too. As such, my opinion on it is one coming from a latecomer who already knew that DMC5 would go on to exist after this game. Under that context, I also found the game enjoyable. The story is goofy but generally nothing too bad and the gameplay is honestly pretty damn fun.
However, I can also understand how people must have felt under the context of this game being brand new. Imagine playing DMC4 as a fan of DMC3 and at least liking it if not loving it, only for Capcom to ditch that storyline and make this instead of a sequel. I prefer the storyline of the original series any day, so I can very much empathize with the fear that this was going to be the series from now on and we wouldn't get any more games in the original continuity. Under that perspective, I can see where people were coming from being so harsh on the game, and the relative love the game is starting to get in a post-DMC5 world also makes a lot of sense.
Generally speaking, the game is a pretty harmless standalone adventure telling a completely original story unrelated to the main series. For those thinking of trying it, just think of it as an edgy spinoff taking place in an alternate universe. The gameplay is the real star of the show in this one, the combo system feels fantastic to get good with and the sense of flow is phenomenal. Dante acts and plays like the main series Dante and Nero did a DBZ Fusion Dance, and it works way better than it has any right to.
I appreciate that while you liked the game, you tried to see things from the mindset of the 2010s of a Devil May Cry fan who had been playing the game since the beginning or DMC3 in the 2000s. Feelings on this game have softened since the fans got a proper Devil May Cry game follow up for sure but at the time, it was understandable why the fans were annoyed of this.
If capcom didnt attache the DMC name to this i think there would be more love for this game
You have to keep in mind the period of the now and then, with DMC5 release, DmC:DmC hate lessened a lot due to that.
But before that, it was a different reception since DmC:DmC was possibly the last time the series would've been touched and would (At the time) go forward with that. Combined with the director and media attitude, alongside the game being a slight downgrade. OG fans was pissed is putting it lightly.
Watched the OG upload during what I thought was my last shift at work. Watching the RE-upload during my ACTUAL last shift😭
I saw the OG upload and the irony of all this is ads that played were all of the "eff them kids" theme, one of them cutting in right before Vergil goes Fetus Deletus , so youtube's hypocrisy strikes again
I loved Donte's adventure. Combichrist was fantastic, but it was my first Devil May Cry game so I didn't quite 'get' the backlash at the time. Fully understand it now, though.
I really got into their music after this game, so that's a positive for me at least. I ever need to let some anger out after a shit day at work? I blast their music and feel better lol
@@twilightfire93 Buried Alive always gets me pumped up.
I’ve played the reboot when it came out, and it wasn’t as horrible as the fans exaggerated. It was okay game. It wasn’t as incredible and fast paced and stylish as the originals, but it was an okay game.
@@Mankey619 I personally liken DmC to more of a beat-em-up. It feels like it's a little closer to that, IMO.
@usmantariq3316 Most fans never said it was horrible, just that the way the game, the devs, and journos responded treated fans of the pre reboot games was terrible
What exactly was changed from the original version of the review?
haters can't stop DmC enjoyment
I'm sad I never got to see the original upload, but I'm glad it's back in some capacity regardless!
I think those of us who like this game can agree that it would have done better as a separate IP. Rename the brothers and the final boss, cut the winking nods (or middle fingers, as the case may be) to the original series, and this game could have stood on it's own.
In that way, it's a lot like Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts. A perfectly solid game on its own merits, but weighed down by being attached to an IP that was known for being a completely different thing and blatantly insulting old fans.
@@RyanStorey1231 Rare said the reason Nuts and Bolts was made is because they runout of ideas for platformer Banjo. See collect-a-thons were needed back then, but once open world games came in, Collect-a-thons were seen as obsolete. Even Rare knows agrees with that, the idea of building was inspired by Legos.
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Honestly, the joke got a chuckle out of me mainly because of how that segment ended
I was not mentally prepared to hear the word “rizz” escape Johnny’s lips.
Every time i hear someone say it, the word "cringe" comes out of mine
It wasn't terrible but it lost it's identity.
Some elements of this game were great, such as the environments and small elements of this game would inspire some stuff in DMC V.
It was a mistake this game was ever made but had it not been called DmC, it'd have been a passable action game.
With hindsight, it definitely helped reaffirm WHAT DMC's identity is.
So I don't actually hate this game, it ultimately is the reason we got DMC 5, a masterpiece of action gaming.
As someone who mainly plays DMC games for the silly, ass-kicking, sexy characters (pretty much all the men and women in these games are fucking beautiful), I appreciated DmC: Devil May Cry's characters. They were more complex and I felt they had a more natural chemistry (though part of that is the impressive face tracking tek NinjaTheory used). There was more of an emphasis on character relationships than in the main-line games, and I love that. Vergil and Dante's relationship was super interesting to me too, as we finally got to see them work together and trust each other for a long stretch of time. And the villains were interesting too. I felt like I, to some degree, could understand them and their motivations outside of "power and violence good".
I understand that the combat though is what most people play the main series for and DmC was lacking in complexity (in comparison). And as someone who played the original version of DmC where if you use the wrong weapon you bound off them, that shit was dumb and frustrating as hell and almost made me quit the game more than once. The definitive edition is so much better in that regard. I personally like the combat for similar reasons as you (Johnny) do, that being that I loved Nero's grappling ability in 4 and DmC expanded that.
I truly wish that the mainline series and the DmC series could live alongside each other. I want more of these characters. But I agree that, if only one may survive, it should be the main-line games. But a woman can dream, right?
Oh boy, gotta add some engagement to the reup then!
I hate this game’s characterization and story but hot damn, it’s controls are so smooth and fun. If only the levels and enemies were better designed…
They are designed well.
Somecallmejohnny: Beautiful morning, gonna get myself a cup of coffee, check on how my video did
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Let's not forget this is the only game where you could play as Virgil in an original campaign.
I genuinely liked it and reckon his descent into devil madness and renouncing his angel side makes sense. Virgil's gameplay was also really fun as well I thought
0:32 You managed to get by with your SGB review back in 2010, so I have full confidence
this was my first dmc experience and i always felt alienated from the rest of the dmc fanbase, even one of my best friends. glad to see someone else likes it tho, i always felt like the only Kat enjoyer on the planet
Its really funny to me that the lead developer cited "he would get laughed at in a 2008 bar" as a reason to make both himself and the new Dante into a character that would be laughed at no matter when they walked into a bar.
Did this guy also make Anonymous Agony? Sure sounds like it.
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I've had this game on my shelf for a few years, and I think this video has made me wanna check it out.
It's fun, the combat is great, I'd argue it's the best combat in the franchise, but the fanboys will scream, even though I know how to combo cancel, jump guard and do all the advanced mechanics in the older games.
I think DMC 3 is my personal favorite of the original series. I haven't played DMC 5 in a while, the hype for DMC 5 kind of fizzled out fast. DMC 5 is still a fantastic game though.
Wish I saw the original vid
This DMC got DMCAed...
Jokes aside, this game was my first game to introduce to the entire franchise and ironically, I consider this game to be one of my favorite hack and slash games period, below Bayonetta 2 and DMC5. gameplay was solid and the level design was very fun to like platform and even see the secrets. Hell, I almost 100% this game but those red souls were annoying to grab in some levels.
And i can't wait for your mortal kombat video 😭
I'm glad you spoke your mind about liking the game rather than toning it down to please fans! I still don't think I can agree with liking the story, but that ultimately comes down to personal taste (and besides, I'm one of the people who think Dante's dour mood in 1 and 2 is a genuine [unintentional] character arc about becoming hardened after repeatedly fucking up in 3 and then lightening up after meeting Nero, so what do I know about good storytelling) but I can definitely agree with the combat, even if its a bit more mindless than some of the others, its a lot of fun! definitely more enjoyable than 1 or 2, and with much better platforming than any of the others. That being said, I can't really say I'm disappointed this version of the series didn't go any further, I still can't find myself enjoying the characters or world, and I still prefer the gameplay of most of the other games. Ultimately, I think the game's biggest mistake was just being called Devil May Cry, while we can look back at it now as its own thing, at the time this was meant to be the future of the series, and I can't say I'd be happy with that. I think that if it had been its own thing, it would be far more fondly remembered as a fun character action game, rather than the game that almost destroyed a franchise. I hope you enjoy 5! Probably my favorite game in the series
Dante in a hair metal band.....you mean X-Japan? Um, fuck yes I'm ok with that.
Here we go again, from the top everyone😂
The first time I ever heard of Heavenly Sword was Playstation All Stars Battle Royale.
Fun Fact: I just looked this up at 1:25 PM CST there is a 2 Episode cartoon based on this game along with a movie released back in 2014.
DmC was a decent, even cool game that was made at the wrong time, and possibly by some of the wrong people
Lots of cool stuff about it, but the attitudes and trends of the time really just killed it in the cradle. Its the epitome of a series going through an wakward teen phase
But thats okay, because its influence on 5 is apparent and I'm glad Capcom didn't course correct too hard by disregarding it completely, even when they decided that they would follow up on DMC4 for the series big comeback
Imagine seeing no rizz or simp while playing as dante in the city trying to kill you LMAFOOO
HARD disagree on the Mundus from the reboot being better villain than the original from the first Devil May Cry. While yes, there isn't much to original Mundus' character beyond being a malevolent god, I'd argue he isn't the sort of villain to whom that would have even been the point. As an antagonist he isn't so much a character as he is a force of nature with an intent, an overlooming threat, whose forboding presence permeates through the entire adventure (think to the effect of Sauron from Lord of the Rings), and as such Mundus from Devil May Cry 1 is remarkably effective; it's made clear by the in-game clues scattered throughout Mallet Island, that Mundus' underlying presence constantly hanging upon the game-world, making it all warped and ominous, is the very reason why the first game has more palpable gothic horror feel to it than any other game in the series and that further reflects in how the closer you get to Mundus, the more hazardous and creepy the game-world becomes.
And so I'd almost argue them making him more of a character in the reboot is part of the reason why he no longer works in that game. Though the larger issue is the fact they gave him the character of an overly crass saturday morning cartoon villain, who talks big game about getting Dante soon at the start of the game, while throughout it all he manages to do is throw couple of impotent temper tantrums over his plans being foiled, until you face him as a sorry excuse of a climatic endgame bossfight, which makes the idea of him as this world-conquering villain we're supposed to take seriously nothing short of laughable.
Well that's a first, One of his videos has been reuploaded, Oh UA-cam will you never leave everyone or anyone alone? Well obviously of course not.
12:44 I’m SO glad that this didn’t get taken out.
Fetus deletus made me laugh so hard that I had to sub
Who remembers Angry Joe's review?
As what most people say to this game: "It's a good game, but not a good DMC game."
It seriously felt like Capcom was rebooting the series for reasons that didn’t make a whole lot of sense. The characterization, the world, the writing, trying to appeal to the west it felt like the things fans loved about DMC was why the game didn’t sell as well as Capcom wanted it to and Tameem’s reasons for changing up Dante were not only baffling and practically insulting but they weren’t good justifications to begin with. And eventually saying that old Dante would get laughed at at a bar and a “Gay cowboy” was a terrible choice of words. And hell I’ve heard fans were sending death threats not only stamen but Ninja Theory and just snapping at the fans was just embarrassing. And to me it looked like he wanted to change Dante through passion but instead of just not liking the character at all and just wanted to change things for the sake of it. He was clearly acting dickish and selfish about the whole thing
This was actually my introduction to DMC and I LOVED this game the smooth combat beautiful and creative level design it was really fun for me. And today I still have a soft spot for this game, on just gameplay alone I still get a real kick out of it. Looking back I don’t really like the characters as they were either generic or just unlikable and trying way too hard to be cool and the story while I do find interesting and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t intrigued to see where it was heading, to me it was the characters that just kind of ruins things for me, specifically how Dante and Vergil were handled. And there is certainly effort at telling a story and does have way more going on compared to the four games the writing, the interactions Dante has with everyone always came off as tasteless and juvenile to me. If the characters are so unlikable then you don’t give me a reason to care about them. Some may not see it as a big deal and if you enjoy the story John, more power to you man and hey I give you credit at saying actual nice things about the story while pointing out things that don’t age well but to me the story kind of falls flat on its face.
Yeah I'll watch it a second time.
This was actually my first-ever DMC game and I liked it quite a bit without the context of the rest of the series. Went back and tried the first game and was too intimidated by restarting levels every time I died that I dropped it for a while. Now that I've finished all the games I'd still say the reboot is at least tied with 4 for me, if not ranked a little higher. Can't wait to see what you think of 5.
This video was so good he uploaded it a second time!
Was so sad this got taken down, glad its back, one of my favorite Johnny reviews lol