The History of Duping | Diablo 2 Dupes & The Temp Perm Method | Coooley
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Have you ever wondered how items actually got "duped" on Closed BattleNet? In this video, we go over the exact exploits that were utilized to pull off some of Diablo II's most notorious duping methods over the years. Surprisingly, almost all of them used the same two weak programming points. We even cover how to best protect your items if they are duped... Something known as the "The Temp Perm Method", or "Perming Out". Shout Out to *Nimhrats*!
Intro - 0:00
Hacking Technique - 1:13
Weakest Link - 2:58
Real Dupe Footage - 6:50
Another Weak Link - 7:45
Unique Item IDs - 8:35
The Temp Perm Method - 10:12
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I remember all my "rich" friends doing this stuff. I was never smart enough to know how it worked and was too busy getting scammed all the time.
Scammed or hacked from maphack
I spent months trade hacking people back in the day. From when you only needed 1 person for the hack to work all the way to when it required 2. Looking back I was a total POS.. I was like 13 I think...
The amount of times I perm'd without understanding how it worked!!
Loved it, great video.
Haha I was thinking the same thing. I knew that I needed to perm, I just never knew why.
Playing D2 for 20 years never knew how it worked...GREAT video man :D
Have played D2 for a week and discovered duping on my own
Doing it during elementary school 🤫
20 years?? Brother, do you remember rust storm 1.09?? What has happened to our holy ground in the past decade?
never knew there was a duping method for D2
I’ve always wonder, thanks to this video now I know lol
This explains the reason why people use to just ask to trade all the time and then exit the game in trade games.
Right. I always thought it was just people losing connection to bnet
Yup, I always wondered why people would start a trade windows with me, show me some godly gear then just leave
Good ol temp perm method lol
I honestly think devs are leaving exploits in the game deliberately and then selling items on the side. These item selling websites have a seemingly unlimited supply of items with perfect rolls. It would be trivial to determine who these people were, ban them permanently, delete their items and patch the exploits they're using. The fact that this doesn't happen suggests corruption at the company.
Or they're just using the hero editor to make perfect non-duped items from scratch
You'll never convince me that blizzard doesn't at least get a cut from item sellers.
You don't need hacks for items, just a crap load of bots running 24/7.
You're making such an end game content that we don't usually see on other D2 youtubers. That's really great and it bring back a lot of memories. The bugged part of D2 + d2jsp is probably why we loved D2 so much and kept playing it for so long.
yea man totally agree
Jsp is what got me back to d2 after 10 years, then again when the quarantine started. Trading in D2 is freaking addictive.
D2JSP killed diablo. No one was playing the game anymore. The bot severely destroyed the economy and there was nothing the blizzard team could do with it.
@@brandish4952 D2jspBot where you had to spend fg to have access to the program 😁
In my entire d2 career I never used d2jsp
Jesus I remember being a little 13 year old scared of losing FOH sticks so I permed every single time I life a game. What a blast from the past.
Man, you gotta make more of these. I'm too young to have experienced many of these patches but the history behind them is amazing.
When I first started playing d2 back in the day, probably 2001 or 2002, I had dial-up internet. I would give a friend an item and then immediately unplug my phone line. When I reconnected and made it back into the game we would both have the item. This was before we had heard anybody talking about duping, and we never lost any of the items. And to this day I've never heard of anybody else duping this way.
You sure that wasn't D1? I used to dupe items in D1 on dialup, but it was the drop item and pick it up method - could be that if you disconnected it might work similarly. It used to be way easier to do on dialup than broadband (I remember my dad had just gotten broadband around that time, and when I played it at his house I could barely do it because there wasn't the delay when picking up an item).
Closest I ever got to duping an item was selling one full rejuvenation potion and buying back a whole belt full.
This just made me realize that I don't need a mule for full rejuv pots. This will open an entire inventory of space up for me
Wait does this work
When I was a kid in 1.09 or 1.10, duping and poofing were so over my head, it took on a lot of mystery and superstition, and fear for trading in sojs or hrs. Good to know some more detail on why that went on
Ohhhh my lord I’ve been playing this game for a long time and have heard about these strats. But no matter where I looked I never found the video that I was looking for. The day hath come where you have delivered. Long live coooley
I remember some other duping methods during the years I played (2001-2006). The easiest one was to use a sorc to casts meteors and a necro to cast bone walls until the game was lagging so much that you could drop an item on the floor, leave the game and still find the item on the character, while someone else in the lagging game could also pick it up and leave the game!
And the day we found out how to do it, Blizzard fixed that 😂😂
Thanks for making this. I started playing Diablo 2 since the initial closed beta and never knew how duping works.
Got all hyped today after they announced D2 Resurrected.
I hope to see more videos from you about Diablo in the future!
Ty for the content man. Appreciate. Haven’t seen other people talk about this.
All these terms I’ve heard for years now I finally understand!!!! Thank you sir!
I've played D1 and D2 since day they hit the shelves. With D2, I've seen the many waves of dupes and method of doing so. Pre-Expansion it was all about the SOJ. We didn't have ladder resets or ways to clear out items from one season to the next. So, SOJ's were duped via the trade window method, the horadric cube method, and the vendor method. SOJs as a result just became the currency of the game and due to the duping, rapid inflation where gear would cost 2-15 SOJs. With the introduction of Expansion and later unique item ID, they really tried to ratchet down on it, but it took many years to finally get it somewhat right. However, I think a lot of the weird latency issues you experience nowadays in the game are as a result of these anti dupe/cheat methods adding additional overhead to the server processing your request. Which does things like leave your barb stuck in a perpetual WW or weirdly ignoring your cast on a caster. I've worked in the computer programming and software engineering world for over 20 years, so I can tell you first hand the struggles with dealing with legacy code. I have to imagine it's very daunting to propose any changes to it without introducing new bugs, unexpected behavior, or changing the gameplay in a way that it ruins experience for players. In my world, I deal with a lot of legacy COBOL code, and you face the same type of problems and it basically results in just trying to get the code to as near "stable" as possible and then just putting it into stasis and not touching it.
Some very good points. Recently, the rename-character function broke and I personally believe it's for reasons you mentioned... They're trying to fix some other part of legacy code that's busted and it ends up breaking something else. New servers and code will be a welcomed change when D2R drops!
I’m curious if there will be any issues in the remastered version.
Recently discovered your channel and its awesome! Its great to have this kind of D2 content rather than just drop highlight vids. You gained a youtube and twitch sub from me.
Thank you so much, man. Means a lot!!
My dad and I used to dupe items back in the day. It didn't work on Closed Battle.net but would work for Open Battle.net and TCP/IP games if I remember correctly. Your character gets a save file somewhere on your machine that you would make a copy of and store elsewhere. The method was to enter a game with another player, drop everything, shutdown your game, replace the new file with the "original copied" file, and load the game back up. All items are now on your character and on the ground. You could dupe exponentially with this method but we never did anything since we mostly played TCP/IP games with each other. Anyways, that was my memory of duping in D2. :)
I always wondered what the purpose of perming was back in the day. So cool! Great lesson :D
I’ve been temp perming my entire D2 life, and never knew how or why it worked. Thanks 😊
wow never knew about these. haha still learning something new about D2 every video. great video as always
I remember hanging around an ingame character that showed me he was wearing Constricting Rings about the 1.09 era. He personally called me on the phone and taught me how to setup Pindle-Bot and gave me all bugged 1.08 and .09 gear to play with. Accounts were eventually given away to random players after I burned out.
Bcon rings! And Occy rings!
Bugged eye of eylitch invincible barbarian too
I wonder if this was me! Lol
I joined the military in 2006 after playing Diablo basically my entire childhood. Gave away my entire account to some random person in game. Had all the duped and bugged gear on it.
@@beerscout9408 that happened to me back in the day. Some guy just gave me all kinds of gear Enigma and such. I built and Mf sorc, hammerdin, and smiter for uber trist. Learned how to sandbox and baal runs. Good times
honestly i was a kid when all this happened so i never got to experience it but i'm glad this exists as i love hearing about the history of events in games such as this.
I have no idea what realm trade or the game in general is like nowadays, I just mess around on single player classic sometimes. But here's some history: if you were there in patch 1.09 (2001-2003, maybe..? Basically right after LOD came out) there were no skill synergies whatsoever and very limited item setups. There were a small handful of skill builds that were capable of getting to 99 by running hell cow level inside a couple days iirc (ww sword barb, light fury javazon, multishot bowazon, nova sorc, orb sorc). Because it was so simple to optimize these very basic builds the small number of items required were duped extremely heavily, and the value of everything was measured in # of stones of jordan because back then no one was really paying real money for gear and third party trading networks were just coming about. The people duping sojs and flooding the market really defined the D2 economy for a long time there. What a different game.. imagine a build guide claiming 20+ "extra" skill points because you had no synergies to pump. Or going for months without seeing a paladin lol.
@@dgunn4408 how long were people able to dupe SOJs?
@@jewellui 2004 or 2005 maybe? Whenever 1.10, the rust storm, and the diablo clone came out I think is when the SOJ economy started to disappear. I think, anyways.. I did the bulk of my playing from 2001-2005, 1.04 pre-LOD to 1.09 and a bit in 1.10/1.11. To be honest, patch 1.10/1.11 changed the game so much I sort of lost interest at the time and didn't play it again for a good 10 or 12 years. I haven't been on the realms since I quit playing way back then.
@@dgunn4408 yea I played around 1.09 I think, I was too young to really understand the game or at least how to create dupes but yea the game changed a lot when in 1.11.
I came back a few times to play Classic, it was pretty still fun but there just weren’t really enough players and it just wasn’t as fun not being able to get good items to make certain builds. Also they clamped down on map hacks.
@@jewellui When I played in the early 2000s I was in high school. Being honest, I was so vehemently opposed to hacking and duping that I was the most budget player you've ever seen. I rarely had anything worth trading, and refused to trade for heavily duped items anyways. The only gear I had was basically stuff I found with my own mf Barb. Luckily back then you could get a whirlwind Barb to level 99 with absolute shit gear just doing your part in Hell cow runs.
The only Stone of Jordan I ever owned in my entire life was one that I found myself with a hardcore necromancer on classic in the first ladder season. That hc necro took my first and last SOJ to his grave at level 80-something and I'm pretty sure that's why I lost interest and quit playing for a decade haha
This was incredibly made. Keep it up.
This is a great video! In depth and well explained thank you :D
I remember people saying “duping items” And the they just scammed the poor fools 😂
I was little once and fell for the die 20 times trick. It was embarrassing afterwards.
@@sunshower6560 oh yea happened to me once, lost my whole mf sorc kit :s
I'm guilty of this. My favorite was "Drop the item you want to dupe, hold your mouse over it and while holding alt, press F1 F2 F3 F4". It was amazing what people would fall for. Then there's the second cube trick...
I'm guilty of being that scumbag that got people to fill their inventory with tomes of town portal, then killing them like 30 times to "dupe" their items. I was such a little asshole, feel bad about it now though...
@@zxczxczxc7240 I bet karma served you well with that one
Hey I love the vids man nice to see someone giving a little back story about such an amazing game but I would have liked to of seen more about like how it affected the ladder and what ladders were just ruined because of over Dupped items or maybe like time lines and specific items that were duped either way love the vids bro
This vid brings me back to my bugged bowazon in 1.09 with 6os WF, 2os shako, 4os valor, 4os SS, and this awesome cliffkiller bow amulet that i had to perm every game to keep it around 😂 id give my leftnut to be able to see all the screenshots i had back in those days but they are long gone now
3 socket veil better than 2 soxket shako! Remember the 915 ith Colossus blade. Unbeatable on a whirlwind Barb
Just when I think I can’t learn anything new about D2... thanks for the vid!
Omg after so many years later I finally understand those mysteries thank you
hehe what a trip to the past
There was also a way of creating lag with a bone necromancer and a meteor sorceress if I'm not mistaking
Nice bugged tal armour and nice video mate, glad I've found your channel, keep it up !
I remember in 1.08. They duped the eth zoded blue Balrog sword. It did more damage then grand father and had 40 ias for whirlwind break point. It was game changer for barbarian pvp. They could actually kill zeal and shape-shifting druids toe to toe and they could kill bowazons still hardly. I remember when it was patched and they all poofed. All the top gear barbarians with the eth blue Balrog blade were a bit sad. I stopped playing my barb for a while.
Are you talking about the ith balrog blade with jah/gul/eth rune word? Whatever name it was... Only remember the runes
Great content dude. Keep the great work up!
Only quality information from you Coooley! I love your videos
This is top D2 content! Super in depth
"Bro you found an Soj give it to me I will dupe it for you." "Ok I will be right back after I dupe it." I feel like back in the day this was the version of dad going to the store to get beer.
Not really. I played D2 classic for at least 4 years, on an almost daily basis, and never found one. The odds of a newbie getting a SoJ was certainly orders or magnitude lower than being struck by lighting.
PS: Then I got Xpack, and played that shit for quite a few more years. Still never found one.
@@cattycats4 this is not true, but it is a good example of good old fashioned d2 superstitions. that could make a great video @coooley
Thanks for making the video. Really enjoyed it
This was a very good video. Informative, articular, coherent.
Thanks, man!
Great vid! Loved it!
It was game of patience charsi duping while using 56k dial up connection!
LOL!!! Me and my buddy duped way back when using D2 Loader, opening multiple game instances etc etc, we literally ran the playground when kids found out we could do a very similar method to this, I recall being followed around all day everyday for 3 days by kids begging me to teach them. I love how half of the people we would trade items would never perm their items LOL. GREAT VIDEO!!! P.S. We started running into issues with items packets clashing and items poofing even when permed.
Cool video, nice to go back down memory lane with old d2 banter. I only ever was able to dupe in diablo 1 tho. But I do remember having like 400 3-20-20 scs in d2 at one point and most of them poofed lol.
Really interesting! Good job! :)
I miss those days when diablo 2 players used duped SOJs as currency for evaluating values of items.
I'll give you 4 SOJs for that Enigma !!!
i thank god and youtube every day for showing this channel to my recommendations
Used to dupe so much on d2!!! Enjoyed the video!
Very informative, actually, thanks!
great vid man
very informative! as an old diablo veteran i subscribed :)
Thank you, Dennis! One of the great games of all time...
Ohhhh. The first one explains why you can’t trade all the charms on your inventory.
That Tal´s armor is insane!
Cool video, most hidden secret in diablo 2. been playing since .09. Lots of other methods ive seen on youtube in the past bonewall psn nova meteor, golems all over ground lag server.
best channel for d2 hands down.
WOW great vid, subbed !
Top tier content my man.
Appreciate the videos. Subbed.
The "duping methods" you mentioned in the video were all out in the public and were patched within a matter of 2-3 days iirc. I quit D2 not too long after the release of 1.10. For many years I ran under a big time duper who used a method that's not any of those you mentioned in this video. While I ran my own website (alongside the dozen or so websites by others) doing retail at the time, I also did wholesale, or you could say that I was one of several who did the wholesaling for the boss. Those were the good ol' days. ;-)
Does the method used back then still work today? I'd assume it probably does, and that it'll never go public.
This explanation is very, very good
good old days, brings back memories
great vid lol ty for helping us understand the exploit of the old game :)
i wish i can subcribe 3x
@Cooley your channel is a perfect gem for diablo2 fan like me
"The History of Duping"
Project Diablo 2 community: Hold my beer
@@roguethemachine3928 that comment speaks more of you as a person for saying people are trash for a video game lol
great vid, what about a video on rollbacks (i.e. a5 clay golem spam)?
This brings back memories. All the "100% legit, found it myself" duped items from the past.
I remember SOJ without Level 29 on d2 Classic 1.09d :)
Damn how much research went into this video? Or perhaps you just know it all!!! Cool video Mr Coooley
Man, I wanted to do so much more. This topic is so deep. Thanks, brother!
We want to see @Coooley go deeper
@@linooosan There very easily could be a part 2
All of this information has been out for years us pro Pkers known it since early days lol.
This guy been dupin for years like he duped all the election ballots 🤣 🤣
2400 stones of jordan have been sold on this channel Uber Cooley walks the earth...
Love ur vids!
This actual duping footage from 1.13 patch. It's crazy to think that I was playing D2 back then, I knew about packet sniffer and blocking, I even knew those packets because I used to do some hacks that relied on packets and mess around with bots and stuff. But I never realized that trading window can be used to dupe items that easily. What amazes to me the most is that if I had heard hints about this method I would have had technical knowledge to pull this off without needing anyone to explain me packets or tools needed. I just never realized that I was seeing a duplicate set of items in trade window.
I used to dupe sojs in the thousands many years ago.
Also duped btals, pre-patch rares and other items. Sold those items online and bought my first car with the money I earned. Thanks blizzard
10000 IQ, did you have any coding experience to do it yourself or were you just good at figuring out who to talk to to learn how to do it/get your hands on the tools needed?
@@StanleyDarsh22 No, but my best mate's dad helped us.
I can’t believe people actually pay real money for d2 items. It’s kinda pathetic to be honest
@@saar144 it depends what you value, endless MFing and grinding for months or just paying a small amount and cutting all that out.
@@jewellui especially if you have a good job
Nice Hero Editor clip :)
Love this history of D2 series! You’ve earned a sub! But I have to ask, is there somewhere I can find your background/intro music? It’s so chill and catchy I’d love to listen to it while working lol
It's all royalty free stuff that UA-cam offers inherently for videos haha
thanks for the nostaliga. made me play again.
I still remember paying 25 sojs, that I legitimately traded for, for a grandfather that disappeared in the next game..... I was so furious.
Ouch that hurt me even yea we all have something like that
I'd always quit over something like that - next week the new account was in motion 🤣 D2 had a magical way of always pulling me back I swear. Its for sure the only game I've played for 19 years. This D2R is going to be something serious!
25 sojs for a grandfather .. wow that's legit old school bro !
The SoJs were not legit in the first place.
@@mjorge0alves what? Lol.
Very good video !!!!
Quality info per usual
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good to know after 20 years :)
People were duping stone of Jordans and using them as currency. I just wanted two for my paladin ffs.
Great stuff
Great video
I remember duping c grips and doom looms all day back in high-school hahaha
Diablo 1 duping was the g.o.a.t.
Let me click this item and drop a potion real fast 🤣
As always thanks for the great content man 💪
Wow so this answers why after I permed in a trade window how I still lost 40 Bmana Scs back in the day... someone else permed after I did and left their game before me.
I contributed to finding the trade hack and anya WP dupe. One of the first to develop it.
Would love to chat sometime!
My buddies had a lot of fun pwning and trading for years :)
Little Freudian slip when you said "we" haha
ahhh this brings me back...
This was a nightmare to deal with real time, wake up to Bers and Jahs suddenly gone, sucked.
yall remember oculos SOJ and white rings? ROFL. Playing a frozen orb blizzard in pvp, man.. good old days. I remember duping my 1.08 arcanes valor that was ethereal.. the thing had insane armor and gave a % bonus to health based on level instead of a flat amount like the 1.09 version did. I hope some of these insane items make a return in the ressurected version, they were so fun to chase after.
Thanx for the D2GA info! Anymore cool places like it?
I used Charsi dupe method and I loved it a lot! Then there was a method of selling/buying items from vendors but this method made bugs when selling/buying windforce or some other bows. All public dupe methods were fixed quickly but the time when they existed was really brilliant and awesome.
great content
super cool content
Those were the best days. Had like 20 mule accounts full of SOJ's and ITH weapons.
Anyone remember Carrion Song bow? LOL
What was that ring ... Corruption band ? maybe
No it was a classic bow that was very popular in the LLD realm
Coooley i think it's good to have a d2tuber for PvP content ❤.
coooley, I think you should make a video about the old scam methods, i used to do many as a edgy teenager and would like to share them
I duped using packets and selling to the store. Back in the oculus rings (occy ring) days. Was when the dupes went public so I wasn’t special but was still fun to have mules just full of sojs lol. I remember having a special amulet that I could only have one per mule. I forget what it was but I was scared to use them and lose them.
I'd love to hear you talk about how people cheat other people's items. You know, exit trade window just to replace it with a junk that had same graphic.
you earned a new sub m8
Thank you, man! I appreciate each one.
Forgot to mention 50 stacks of jahs showing up this week 🤭