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What is the point of debate when one side the argument is objectively true? There is none.
That is, unless the incorrect arguer has the ability to influence the masses. When a relatively famous musician began spewing flat Earth views on social media, astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson knew he had to jump in the ring and defend science with science.
General belief systems aren't a threat, but it's important to combat incorrect and dangerous views when they have a chance of pervading greater society.
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NEIL DEGRASSE:
Neil deGrasse Tyson was born and raised in New York City where he was educated in the public schools clear through his graduation from the Bronx High School of Science. Tyson went on to earn his BA in Physics from Harvard and his PhD in Astrophysics from Columbia. He is the first occupant of the Frederick P. Rose Directorship of the Hayden Planetarium. His professional research interests are broad, but include star formation, exploding stars, dwarf galaxies, and the structure of our Milky Way. Tyson obtains his data from the Hubble Space Telescope, as well as from telescopes in California, New Mexico, Arizona, and in the Andes Mountains of Chile.Tyson is the recipient of nine honorary doctorates and the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal. His contributions to the public appreciation of the cosmos have been recognized by the International Astronomical Union in their official naming of asteroid "13123 Tyson".
Tyson's new book is Letters From an Astrophysicist (2019).
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TRANSCRIPT:
I don’t like debating people because in a debate what is the construct. It’s typically two people and there’s an audience and you debate some opposite sides of some issue. And then there’s a winner of the debate. And then everyone walks away reflecting on the winner. So who wins the debate? It’s often the person who’s charismatic, who’s maybe charming - that’s related to charisma of course. Who has a good way with words, good vocabulary. And you can have someone who doesn’t have any of that who is speaking objective truths who could lose a debate. So then what is the point of the debate of one of these points of view is objectively true. So I will not enter a debate where I have the objectively true side of an argument and the other person does not. That is something that should not be debated, does not belong in front of an audience getting debated. You want to debate something? Debate political policy of what to do in the face of climate change.
Do you have carbon tax? Do you have solar panels? Do you subsidize them? Debate that. Don’t debate something that is or is not objectively true in this world. The B.o.B, the rapper, I have a video letter to him the transcript of which is in Letters from an Astrophysicist. That rose to that level of attention because he started saying I am using laws of math and physics to show Earth is flat. Those are fighting words. If you’re going to say using math and physics, that is an alarm to the geekiverse that we must rise up and counteract these forces from the dark side that are out there. So, the bat signal went up. I responded. What is the bat signal? Oh, sorry. In my Twitter stream there are people saying Neil, you’ve got to do something about B.o.B. Save him from himself. He’s saying Earth is flat. Then I first said who’s B.o.B? So I quickly looked him up. Oh, he’s a rap star. Okay.
These are people who follow me and B.o.B in the Twitterverse. So what does that Venn diagram look like. How much overlap is there in the two Venn diagrams. In this slice, however narrow, they were pleading to me to do something and so I responded with a video letter. Just kind of putting him in his place.
I think it’s important to combat people who are claiming that they are using math, science, evidence and physics behind their cause when, in fact, they either aren’t or they’re using it badly. That needs to be called out. Otherwise if you just have a belief system I don’t really care. We live in a country that protects free speech which usually also means free thought. If you want to think Earth is flat, go right ahead. But if you start influencing other people who have power over other people and you have no foundation and objective reality it can be dangerous. If you influence people or you yourself become someone who has influence over legislation, laws, rules by which we all abide in society. That’s an unhealthy situation for civilization to be in. If your personal belief system...
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Have questions for Neil DeGrasse Tyson? Let us know! We'll keep them in mind for our next video.
What is the best way to terraform Mars?
Yeh.......why do you have to lie about everything you Muppet.
What gravity is?
Neutrinos have been observed changing flavor between electron, muon and tau. How does that prove that neutrinos have mass? If they do have mass, then how can they arrive at the same time as the visible light from super novae that are many light years away?
I would like to hear a general discussion about complex organic molecules in the Oort Cloud. I suspect that the cloud is full of them, but I have no evidence. We found amino acids on the Murchison meteorite. Meteors come from comets. Comets come from the Oort cloud. How best can we research this?
Was the oblateness of the Earth greater a billion years ago?
Ask him about interstellar travel and if he thinks it's possible to build a spacecraft humans could live on forever
Flat earth fails on every point.
The geocentric flat earth has ...
• No working model, or map.
• No way to determine proper distances, or directions between two point on the earth not sharing the same longitude.
• No explanation for how the sun and the moon circle the earth, or how the sun migrates from the tropic of Capricorn to the tropic of Cancer and back over the year.
• No idea why the ancient Greeks such as Pythagoras, Aristotle, Eratosthenes and Aristarchus believed the earth was a sphere.
• No idea what P and S shockwaves detected by seismology equipment tells us about the internal structure of the earth, and the shape and dimensions of the surface of the earth.
• No idea what powers the sun and the stars.
• No idea of the distance to the stars.
• Clueless as to why almost all stars don't appear to change position in the sky from opposite sides of earth's orbit around the sun when the phenomena of parallax says they should, and why we can only use the parallax method for measuring the distance of stars that are closest to the earth. Luckily, Polaris is one that we can determine the distance to using parallax, because it is also a Cepheid variable star, which allows the distance to be measured to much more distant stars where the parallax method not longer works.
• No idea of the distance from the earth to the planets, or even much about them at all.
• No idea why binary stars obey Newton's law of gravitation.
• No explanation as to why we can only see 59% of the total surface area of the moon when, from a flat earth perspective we should be able to see most of it, including the dark side of the moon.
• No idea why the moon appears upside down in the southern hemisphere compared to how it looks in the northern hemisphere, and why the phases of the moon are on opposite sides of the Moon, and why it looks circular from all vantage points on the earth.
• No idea why sunspots rotate in the opposite direction in the southern and northern hemispheres, or even what sun spots are.
• No believable explanation for how GPS is implemented across the world.
• No explanation as to why aircraft carry ring laser gyros onboard capable of detecting the rotation of the earth.
• No idea how it is possible to develop gravitational maps of the earth's surface, or why anyone would want one, or how they could be used.
• No explanation for how eclipses work, especially lunar eclipses, or how to predict them correctly.
• No idea why the Humber bridge, the Verrazzano Narrows bridge are built to account for the earth's curvature.
• No idea why CERN, LIGO and the Stanford linear accelerator vacuum rings and arms are constructed to take account of the earth's curvature.
• No idea why physicists working on LIGO, the gravity wave detector, were awarded Nobel prizes in physics.
• No idea why geodetic surveyors keep claiming the earth is an oblate spheroid.
• No idea why Google Earth does not publish its underlying flat earth model that allows it to project the earth as a globe.
• No explanation as to why the sun rises due east for everyone on the earth on the equinox.
• No idea why an observer on the equator during an equinox does not see the sun set at an angle 19° above the horizon.
• No idea why there should be a discernible horizon that looks like the edge of the ocean viewed from a beach. The horizon should really be a blur as the farther we look out across the flat earth, the more light is scattered and the more particles in the atmosphere obscuring the view.
• No idea how it is possible to see the sun set twice simply by changing your height above the earth (quickly by just a few tens of metres).
• No reasonable explanation as to how Polaris can be used in conjunction with a sextant in the northern hemisphere to determine latitude.
• No explanation as to why the Artic and Antarctic experience months of days and nights at differ times of the year.
• No explanation why bright little objects called satellites by some are regularly visible in the night sky following a predicted path across the sky
• No explanation for how tides work.
• No explanation how (most times) boats disappear over the horizon when they should be visible on a flat earth.
• No explanation as to why the horizon does not rise to eye level.
• No credible explanation why helium balloons fitted with non-fish eye cameras often detect the curvature of the earth.
• No credible explanation for the existence of the "Downward" force called gravity.
• No explanation that does not implicitly make use of the theory of gravity for the atmospheric pressure gradient from high to low pressure with altitude, especially if we live in a dome.
• No idea why (almost without exception) hurricanes and typhoons rotate in opposite directions in northern and southern hemispheres respectively.
• No explanation for the Coriolis effect observable in controlled experiments such as those conducted by Ascher H. Shapiro in the 1960s.
• No explanation as to why the northern celestial pole rotates counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere, and the southern celestial pole rotates clockwise in the southern hemisphere.
• No idea what Antarctica even looks like, and where the South Pole is physically located.
• No idea why Venus has phases. Bye bye Geocentric system.
• No idea why planets, e.g. Mars, exhibit retrograde motion. Hello Heliocentric system.
• No idea why the planets and their moons in the solar system appear to be obeying Newton's laws of planetary motion.
• No explanation whatsoever why Stellar Aberration occurs.
• No idea why clouds are illuminated from the bottom at sun set.
• Can't explain how a commercial aircraft can fly from Perth to Sydney in only 4 hours 10 mins across the flat earth, as to achieve this, it would need to fly faster than an F18 on afterburner all the way.
• No idea why the CO2 atmosphere of Mars appears to "Cling" to the exterior of its spherical spinning surface without the need for physical containment. This phenomenon is observable on others planets too.
• No idea why the sun and the moon don't change in angular size from rising to setting by a factor of 2 to 3 since they are local to the earth, and no idea why the sun according to the inverse law of radiation is not 4 to 9 times brighter at midday than at sunset and sunrise when viewed from Australia.
• No credible reason why millions of people (mostly scientists, engineers and technicians ) over decades would lie to keep the globe earth alive, and why nations and commercial enterprises, accountable to the voters and shareholders respectively, would spend (waste) $2 trillion a year , each and every year to maintain the globe lie.
• No idea how it is possible to measure the value of G, the universal gravitational constant and in so doing, verify the theory of gravity.
• No scientific papers publish in the last 100 years supporting the flat earth.
• No idea why there is snow on hight moutains with a local sun as it has to get warmer and snow should melt if you get closer to the sun.
Now the globe earth and the heliocentric model have answers that are consistent with each other to all of the above that the flat earth can't explain, but the globe earth is wrong and the flat earth is correct , even although the flat earth model is almost useless at explaining anything?
Have I understood the situation correctly?
The flat earth is gaslighting to the power infinity
No flat earther will ever reply.....because that person will not understand anything u just said. they will pretend these arguments do not exist....
@@vinayaktrivedi9375 Probably.
How is this comment not famous?
This comment is so beautiful... Its almost like poetry...
I'm not a flat earther idk what we're on. But this comment actually only seems smart if you don't understand the flat earth theory. There's explanations for almost everything he named.
I'm still not a flat earther I'm just saying this comment only seems smart to people who have never really researched their side.
Scientists shouldn't debate flat earthers for the same reason a professional boxer shouldn't fight an 8 year old.
im LIGHTYEARS ahead of the world's top 20 scientists >>combined...
I c wut u did thar
That's an amazing comparison
@@MikeBlackbird Wow, a lying legend in your own mind... How original. Must be a byproduct of your open mind. Of course, too bad you opened so far your comprehension fell out.
Mike Blackbird You’re not educated enough to wipe your own ass.
"It's hard to win an argument against a smart person, And impossible to win one against an idiot."
I love this quote
What is a female?
Yes and Neil, like all of you believe in Star Wars. 😂
So true, you can't beat an idiot in an argument 😂
Yes Toby well said!
He's absolutely right no need to debate with some one that isn't even trying to understand where you coming from
Meanwhile, Bill Nye debated Noah's Ark...
If anyone tells you 2+2=5, you don’t sit down and debate. You leave the conversation.
Before I left, I would ask for evidence. That would be entertaining... 😁
what if MILLIONS OF PEOPLE are saying it! um it might be worth DISCUSSION, then, huh! uStoopitAzz X(
no fkkn reply eh!! pfft. smfh..
Mike Blackbird millions?? Millions of flat earthers ur talking about? Millions... where’s this page showing the millions of flat earthers
Mike Blackbird what no reply? Lol
"You can beat 40 geniuses with 1 fact but you can't beat an idiot with 40 facts"
-Unknown
Exactly.
@@KangenAlec That's because they are all utter stupidity that can be refuted by a person with 9th grade knowledge of physics. "GraViTy Can't HoLD dOwN bIrDS bUt It CaN HolD DOwN tHE OcEAN". Holy mother of GOD, how are you idiots this stupid?
@@tezlatower2362 Gravity holds down everything. If a bird is flying, it's just flapping it's wings to keep it up. It's using force. And yea your right, how are these flat earth idiots so stupid...
I'm triggered by these flat earthers but one thing we can all agree on is that we live on the same planet and we share the same planet.
@@Thom85vn Flat earthers just don't get physics, it proves that they think it's flat because they are uneducated.
What's a flat earther biggest fear?
Winning a cruise trip because the cruise might fall off the edge.
What edge?
having the same face as you is worse
flat earth dont have edge as far as we know of. the mixing of models is why it sounds you would have an edge
@@micp100imagine resorting to insults instead of actual facts and logic to prove your ridiculous beliefs
I finally found one in the wild yesterday, never though it would happen😅 i didnt discuss with him, because i know that no matter what scientific argument i could come up with, he would have some kind of fairytale as to why that could not be true, or simply ignore it.
I got bitten by one 2 years ago and turned in to one. its good
Fairy tale? Like nasa, space, gravity, fake station, satellites, moon landings, don petit being hired by any serious organization. Degrass tyson as a credible source?
You can’t win an argument with an idiot. I’ve noticed there’s quite a few in UA-cam comment sections.
You mean "he wouldn't believe any official narrative".
Meanwhile, Artemis was delayed, AGAIN. Question for round earth ree-ree's: How many years of moon landing delays will it take before it raises red flags?
@@derp8575 no, i meant what i wrote :) and lets not start a debate as to the shape of things and/or if humans visited x places. It's a waste of time for both of us. Have a nice day🙏
I know what kind of math they use
2+2=22
That is true if the first 2 is a string. (PowerShell)
@@filipionutcatalin6477 programmer spotted
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You don't need math to prove something is true.
@@NYCeesFinest
But with math you can PROVE something is false... like the flat earth RELIGIOUS DOGMA !
Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon: no matter how good you are, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and then strut around acting like it won.
I thought you were talking about me, then I reread it and saw the word pigeon.
Stolen comment
THIS IS THE BEST REPLY I HAVE EVER SEEN, I'M STILL LMAO. IT'S SOOOO TRUE , DAM THAT'S FUNNY
I'm sure this comment is going to be on this thread dozens of times after cats pushing their water bowls of the edge and flat earther society has members all around the globe.
Stolen comment I’ve seen it before
You don’t need a debate with a flat earther, you just need two space shuttle tickets and a smart phone to capture his/her face.
Most round earthers can't afford a ticket to "space".
How can anyone think, that the earth is round, when anyone can see clearly it is flat. 😂
"I don't argue with stupid people anymore."
4 minutes summed up in 7 words....
NDT is sofa king we todd did, and _so are you..._
@@mikeflatbird729 lol dude you know most of these people are too slow to understand this comment. They are here listening to a guy who is a paid actor to tell them what reality is instead of going out and testing any of the globe model for themselves.
LMAO. Can someone give me a Earth fact please. I’ll wait.
Well just explain why we see vast distances when the horizon is said to be about 3 miles from the shore.
@@whatisdoneinthedarkwillbeb9204 it would be nice to see you test it if your trying to debunk it. Ya know the one who says it doesnt work. Curviture is so eazy to measure. I was speaking to mr flat bird the other day. Dispite me going out with an inclomete and measuring at a range of attitudes. I was told you could trust the math. Which is a silly statement in its self. Its a shame as my results were conclusive. And would match yours if you chose to test the exsperiment. Repeatable mesurable tanjable.
Well, you know what they say “don’t argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”
Chris Sherman lol
-Mark Twain
I've heard a similar sentence that pretty much compared arguing with an idiot to play chess with a pidget.
It doesn't matter how calculated, precise and perfect your moves were, it will still mess the board, take a dump and fly away with a chest full of pride.
What does "beat you with experience"mean
@@srnova9486 it means flat earthers have great experience in beeing stupid, more than anybody else
Everyone asks questions and asks for proof of the flat earth, but once provided they ignore them because the programming goes against it.
There is no proof of flat earth, champ. There’s only scientific illiteracy, misapprehension, personal incredulity, religious dogma, anti-authoritarian hysteria, and downright ignorance.
Exactly, Just like he said “I won’t enter a debate when I’m objectively right and the other person is wrong” 😂 what an ironic joke of a statement. Man believes so deep in his heart that he is right, and anyone who says different, is so wrong that he won’t even have a word to say to them. Almost like this is why debates exist.
Flat earth is the dumbest hoax on the internet.
The flat earth 'comnunity' is made up of qualified in nothing grifters that make a meagre living from gullible idiots.
We don't debate them to convert the other debater to flat earth - we debate them to show their lemming followers the ridiculousness of the globe claims - and THAT is the reason that they won't debate us.
"Everyone"? lol. Most people don't care what you believe nor why you believe in something with no objective evidence. That's the thing.
I hate the Mount Everest shadow that shows up in front of my house everyday ! 😠
"What is the point of the debate if one of these points of view is objectively true"
@kouzou8 , so basically you don't get it.
Im wondering what shape they see the moon and the sun?
@Fundementort? There are some ball(ish) shaped lightbulbs in my kitchen ceiling, does that mean my kitchen Floor is a ball?...
@@mikeflatbird729 Might be. But I'm sure your lightbulbs are flat.
@FundemenTard? my kitchen "floor" will be a ball if my lightbulbs in my kitchen ceiling are??
You can’t even take a flat earther in space and show them the globe through a window on the space shuttle. They’ll break the window thinking it’s a video screen and doom everyone onboard.
yea dude this was really funny, the sad thing is that it actually never happens. we dont fly to space and we dont see the globe in the fucking window every day or do we DGK playa? do we see this every fucking day? cause i dont fucking see it dude. I must have had sand in my eyes or something. Still funny, your comment, but think about when the last time you saw that big globe on your window
@@JayTronik1 He was talking about the dedicated and hardworking astronauts up their on the ISS, working their way even though their salary is small, someone has to do it. You flerfs don't even have a consistent working model.
@@masterchief4189 of course but he is not talking out of his personal or own experience. it's like me bragging about my grandpa that went in the army
@@JayTronik1 Ok.. personal experience:
Prease provide me with a map of the flat earth that can be used to navigate on or give me a link to a map that conforms to reallity.
I have a ship in Whangarei (NZ) and need to get to Guayaquil ( Equador).
How far is that and how many days is that at 12 Knots??
How much fuel do I need at 10 ton/h
The crew needs food for that time and they don't deliver pizza in the middle of the paciffic
I know how it is calculated on a globe. Do YOU????
if you can go in space..
Saving this video for the next time my brother goes on a flat earth rant to me.
Even my Husky knows more than the flat earthers. He figured out gravity. I was tossing some treats pretty high to get him to jump. After 3 of them, he decided to wait half a second before jumping and the treat came down close to his mouth. From then on I cannot get him to jump any more because he knows the treat will come down to him every time, no matter where he is.
That's cool. There's a dog in the neighborhood that I fear is a flat earther. He's not as smart as your dog, for sure.
Thats not Gravity, thats Density, all what is lighter then Air like Helium is going up, others what heavier is falling down. Study Physics
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@@Sazzonef that were the case, why do all objects regardless of mass and air resistance fall at the same rate? By this logic your are implying objects of higher density will always fall to the earth faster than objects that are relatively smaller in density. You might also want to brush up on some english grammar as well.
@@eziomanwodo8242 english is not my native language. study physics as i said.
Flat Earthers: I use Math n Physics to prove that the Earth is flat
Also Flat Earthers: Science is fake!
NEVER use flat earth and science in one sentence.
There is no flat earth science.
Flerfers use meth, because they misheard when we normal people said we use math.
Science is fake unless it's convenient. That's how they'll justify it without ever saying it
@ste emiplan I guess you are on some kind of drug. What you wrote makes totally no sense to me, sober.
@ste emiplan Can you use google translate to translate into English? Or ask a friend to help? I guess you have never seen a model of the solar system. Almost all science museums have one. Go to a science museum and try it out for a day.
You show both lack of ability to write coherent sentences, you lack basic understanding of celestial mechanics, and you lie a bit. That's why you end up with this incoherent mess.
And you haven't by far proven that the light from stars cannot be seen on earth. In fact you should try to go outdoor during a night. Ask your mummy how late you can stay up, and select a cloudless night. If you look up you will see planets and stars, and sometimes the moon.
"Debate policy, not objective truth!" Very important, very good.
But not pertinent to the subject matter
I think it should be” Debate policy NOT what your education and training leads you to regard as “objective truth”.For example there is no point in debating a Creationist. You are arguing for a scientific theory based on observed facts while s/he is arguing for the “absolute truth” of Biblical creationism. These paradigms are irreconcilable!
So why are you telling people to be living in a global
@@thandasibisi7534 errr. A theory is not a fact. It's a theory. Theoretical.
A fairy tale until proven.
@@squatttter a theory is not a hypothesis, a theory is a whole lots of facts put together which then link and make sense
When "Debate" a Flatearher:
It is not an real Debate.
It is making fun over an really stupid person.
Because every Flatearther is an more on.
Learn English before calling others moronic.
Q: Why aren't there ANY flat earth maps with a scale for distance? I know why, do you?
A: FE map can't EVER get actual distances accurate compared to what we can easily observe.
So by not providing a scale, reality is simply dismissed and stupid people fall for it.
Q: Why aren't there ANY flat earth maps with cities shown? I know why, do you?
A: Similar to Q1 above. You can't account for distances between cities compared to what we know for a fact.
The better reason to include this question is the fact that on FE map, there will be countless examples of cities
that are farther north or south of each other than what we know to be true.
Q: Why aren't there ANY flat earth maps with countries' borders shown? I know why, do you?
A: Pennsylvania has 3 straight line borders with neighboring states and we can survey these borders proving this.
On FE map, these borders become increasingly exaggerated curves the farther south you go.
In Australia, it gets worse. 90% (or more) of their borders are straight but on FE map they'd be severely curved.
Experiment:
Pick 2 towns in America that are 200 miles* apart and connect them with a straight line**.
Pick 2 towns in Australia that are 200 miles* apart and connect them with a straight line**.
On FE map these 2 lines will be different lengths. How can 200 miles* be shorter in the northern
hemisphere than 200 miles* in the southern hemisphere?
It can't happen. 200 miles = 200 miles... ALWAYS...EVERYWHERE.
Here ya go, I did it for you.
200 miles apart in America: Buffalo, NY to New Hartford, NY = 194 miles***
200 miles apart in Australia: Wilcannia, NSW, Australia to Canbelego, NSW, Australia = 191 miles***
* Use any distance you want but make sure the towns in both countries are east/west of each other (on a globe).
** If these lines aren't straight enough for you, then there's no hope. You're gone.
*** If these values aren't close enough to 200 miles for you and you want to use that to prove me wrong,
then that's even more pathetic than simply admitting you're wrong. Good luck on that one...
Now it's time for the bonus round where the prize is the truth!!
Perth, Australia to Sydney, Australia = 2448 miles, driving. Draw a straight line on FE map.
Los Angeles, CA to Florence, SC = 2477 miles, driving. Draw a straight line on FE map.
The Aussie line is 83% longer than the American line. How can that be? Maybe the American road has a LOT more turns.
OK, fine. How many miles by air are both routes?
Aussie route = 2049 miles & American route = 2192 miles. The American distance is greater but the line drawn is MUCH shorter.
The FE map is false to the point of being laughably ridiculous and fraudulent.
I'll come back soon to see that my comment was deleted. You certainly can't have the truth seeping through your lies, so I get it.
This comment should go viral bro
@@Meso.Botamia Thank you. Wish I knew how to attach the pics I took of doing it.
Can't wait to see the replies of jerks trying to take it apart.
@@markandrus8879 Nah they would probably give you a UA-cam link then disappear forever.
You cant change the mind of a person who refuses any data that doesn't support their perceived reality.
Can you see in 360 degrees?
@@marcpelletier1366 What's your point, Marc?
Anthony Rodemus What is your point of reference and I’ll answer.
Im wondering what shape they see the moon and the sun?
Fundemort Grey Prime Defender of Truth and Justice flat like a tree
This is how a wizard talks.
Wizards don't exist...
@@firstaidsack actually they do. Not the Harry Potter Hollywood crap. Zachary King was a former satanic wizard. He preformed ritual sacrifices to satan at abortion clinics. He reported an abortion doctor pulled the baby out of the womb and tossed it on the floor were it was eaten a live by witchs. It amazing what knowledge lays outside ones own pool of knowledge.
This guy is a mega wizard. He tried to convince Joe Rogan that pool ball is not as smooth as earth when scaled down to size. That is wizardry
@@nunyabusiness4800 no that is honesty and scale and mathematics, unless you've got a billiards ball manufactured with insane overkill tolerances.
@@Serendarainbow Its funny how we can actually look this us up as factual things that have happened, Using "their" Fake news sites and stories, and OMG IT'S UNCLE JESSE!
Here is a little song I wrote a while back that perfectly describes the way flat earthers argue. (Listen to "Black is Black" by Las Bravos as that is the tune I wrote it to)
Verse 1. Earth is flat, because I’m really fat. It’s not a sphere, because our water is not clear. It’s not a ball, cause I, I’m very tall.
Verse 2. If it’s a ball, all objects would not fall. No gravity, Because I have a cavity. It’s not a ball, cause I, I’m very tall.
Chorus: It is flat, I am fat and I don’t have a cat. I am a flerf you all watch Smurf. And you're all a derf.
Verse 3. Dad is fat. Because the earth is flat. If it were round, his ass would still not be bed-bound. It’s not a ball, cause I, I’m very tall.
Verse 2. Earth is flat, because I’m really fat. It’s not a sphere, because our water is not clear. It’s not a ball, cause I, I’m very tall.
THe big-budget Hollywood movie for Flat Earth is coming any day now cant wait
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 Cool. The earth is still not flat. Enjoy your cartoons.
A great salesman can sell ice to Eskimos.
How much ice did you buy of Neil
I would love to see a single flat earth model that explains and predicts seasons, eclipses and tides.
You are not looking into flat earth information, or you would have read Eric Dubay
200 Proofs the Earth is not a Spinning Ball by now. Gimme a break!
shut up flattard erics video was debunked million times
@@boydmking1 - Every time I see a flattard saying "eric dubay 200 proof", I giggle. All of those "proof" are so easy to debunk it get hilarious.
To fall for that really shot how ignorant and dumb you must be....and gullible beyond measure.
@@boydmking1 _"or you would have read Eric Dubay 200 Proofs the Earth is not a Spinning Ball by now"_
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@@RodneyHaltom No Rodders, he said a flat Earth model. Go on then, show us it!
All flat earth you tubers say that Science can’t be trusted, but in the same breath claim to use science to prove flat earth.
Science dosen' t proof nothing,,science discribes !
they either don't use science or claim that the mainstream scientific community isn't to be trusted. so no, at least they are consistent with their opinion on science.
@@ottomais at least natural sciences
Science is one thing dummy, pseudoscience is another
Globe Earthers are too egotistical to acknowledge that they've been conned.
I was thinking how idiotic stupid i am, but thanks to flat earthers, i'm not that stupid
You're a genius compared to a flat earther lol
@@drmantistoboggan2870 fuck, that one hurt me so bad 😂
LOL - there will soon come a day.... you'll see
Hey, did you know flat earthers are AROUND the Globe? **evil giggling**
I can't believe I'm being hit on by the famous solid snake...
"Who is B.oB.?"
That was where the conversation should have ended.
Corey Lagen a creative genius
Corey Lagen I went straight to the Googlemobile
A.. fiften degree per hour drift. Now, obviously we were taken aback by that. Wow, that's kind of, a problem, UAHAHUAHAHA, right? We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for ways to disprove that it was actually registering the motion of the earth, and that it was, in fact, registering the motion of the sky.
Energies of the heaven.
@@nachfullbarertrank5230 Wat
@@brianpurcell833 You ask for bob, you get bob.
Every flat earth believer was dropped on their head at some point
hulk thruster they brainwash us with true facts proven time and time again. You try and brainwash us with stuff that has been disproven. No wonder everyone thinks your crazy, I remember when a flat earth spent a bunch of money but accidentally proved the earth was round.
@hulk thruster lol u guys proved the earth is round
@@arkansasisbetterthanyouthi3963 "a 15 degree per hour drift" , Thanks Bob. It was hilarious dumb flerfs.
@Planet Earth If you can stand it, look at the Globebuster vids. They're now convincing each other that the laser ring gyro test actually "proved" that the Earth is flat. But you won't see it anywhere outside their own echo chamber. Maybe the sound of laughter disturbs their sensibilities.
Go watch TV , Forget about this subject . Your smart ☺️
I'm astonished that anyone even gives the flat earthers their attention.
It's like you're walking down the street and a head pops out of a dumpster screaming at you that you have no fashion sense! Would you stop to argue with this person or would you just be amused and carry on?
It ceases to be amusing when these people and their similarly deluded offspring cause senseless trouble in our schools. We have enough trouble already with creationists, antivaxxers and other crazies.
My favorite argument I've heard is, "water at rest is flat. The earth is made up mainly of water....."
this one is great. I see the same guy in here just copy pasting that into every thread
I love the fact flat earthers exist, they make me think and look smart.
@@KangenAlec perhaps they are delusional and don't want to believe facts. Perhaps seeking attention too
@@KangenAlec he wouldn't have a clue. If he believes the earth is a globe, he has trouble thinking for himself.
@@KangenAlec they believe dumb shit too easily. Thats how a person becomes a flattard.
@@squatttter how smart are you to think for yourself in a field of study you never studied and not just believe the people who spend their whole lives studying something. I dont see you worried about finding an alternative to fossil fuels but you must think global warming is bullshit too. Sorry, “flat earth warming”.
Get to work dude! Solve our problems! Teach us the truth! 👎
So that makes you a Glob earther 🤣😂??
it's just so hilarious what people get upset about on internet. It makes me feel like humanity has no important stuff left to do.
grapy so you dont think battling scientific ignorance is important? i'd love to hear what you believe is important, because scientific ignorance is what leads idiots to think the pandemic is a hoax, to think Bill Gates wants to implant microchips in everyone using a vaccine, to back a proven dishonest moron instead of doctors and scientists that actually study.
flat earth is the beginning, and yes people are right to get upset about morons spreading ignorance. perhaps you need to learn to think critically, there's something important you can do.
here in the United States, the republican party has discredited teachers and education so much, and defunded education so deeply, that we are no longer near the top in science or math scores. this leads to a lack of innovative thinkers and inventors. it leads to a lack of critical thinking in the populace, which leads to tax raising and budget raising ronald reagan being hailed as a tax cutter and budget cutter. this leads to people supporting an open racist for president.
this leads to our nation falling farther and farther behind the rest of the industrialized world in manufacturing, as well as freedom.
this is just a part of why it is important to not let people like flat earthers spread stupidity. if you dont think that's important, then maybe you need to rethink your position.
well put steve..
For lots of people life is to easy leaving. A lot of free time. Instead of doing or studying something constructive they dwell on petty things
Never in history of humanity have people been able to think as freely as they're doing it now. That freedom comes with the price of some inconvenience. Thinking loudly is very important to give words to those who don't speak for themselves or are too passive.
I think Internet should be taken rather seriously. Trolls aside, what people present here might be the moat true state of their thoughts, to be made public which should be presented publicly and anonymously in my humble opinion.
@@steveswangler6373 I'm a polygraph lie detector guy,and this guy his clearly lying, about what 🤷🏾♂️ I don't know but his laying.
NASA ARTISTS PAINT PICTURES OF GLOBE AND OTHER WORLDS
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3:36 showing green really would communicate
3:38 that it's enough to show some evidence
3:42 made special efforts to make the water of water in fact a lot of times we've
3:44 not look super appealing you know not
3:46 like this tropical deep blue appearance
3:48 because you would think that complete
3:51 accuracy would be the goal when you're
3:52 doing astronomical illustrations but it
3:54 isn't always the case the primary goal
3:56 is communication and understanding
3:59 having a visual response to technical
4:01 triumphs was something NASA latched on
4:03 to early on for over 50 years NASA
4:06 worked closely with artists and creative
4:08 leaders like Walt Disney and Norman
4:10 Rockwell to help shape the stories of
4:13 spaceflight it's the same Legacy today just with more advancing and
4:15 better
4:17 tools to imagine what far off worlds
4:19 might look like if we could visit them
4:22 we want to take a lot of care to make
4:23 sure we don't oversell the part
4:25 story that isn't actually the
4:27 there are people who just look and think
4:29 oh Nas photograph a planet. and they of the story
4:31 don't understand that actually
4:32 that was a piece of art on the other hand
4:35 don't do that and we don't put a piece
4:37 of compelling artwork then people may if we
4:39 never even look at the story anyway we
4:41 are a long way from sending a spacecraft
4:43 to trapist one without warp drive of course so for now the artwork
4:45 will
4:47 continue to stand as our best
4:51 guess NASA's Rob Simmon made this and it
4:56 example it ended up as the default background had wide appeal too for on the
4:58 iPhone didn't even know until I bought
5:01 an iPhone um and turned it on and kind
5:06 Simmons's job is it's primarily taking data
5:08 making pictures out of it that's why i did a little happy dance and
5:10 this is a composite of data sets from
5: 15 several different instruments translated into a picture that to us looks really cool. The thing was the data set up until that
5:19 point there was no realistic
5:23 color map
of the globe anywhere so the land layer
5:26 here comes from the moderate resolution
5:28 imaging spectr radiometer aboard Tera
5:33 and the tricky part here was the weather, so we actually had
to take clouds out
5:35 they stashed the clouds for
5:36 later went onto the ocean that came from an
5:38 instrument that measures phytoplankton
5:46in the sea where it was low I
colored it dark blue because they're low mostly in
mid oceans and then where it was a
5:47 little bit higher it was like a
5:48 little bit brighter green then add the clouds
5:51 back in there's a small problem because there's a very slight Gap in it
6:02 between each orbit so some of those are painted on it is photoshopped but it's
It's has to be.
Then there was another
6:04 layer to sort of simulate atmosphere
6:08 and then there's this little bright spot it's called the specular highlight so it's the reflection of sunlight off
6:11 water those are the pieces you can't just slap them all together it
6:17 just didn't look realistic it looks kind of flat or the clouds are sort of
6:32 See through so I just hit command there's Artistry to creating the world
what I imagine it to be um unfortunately I'm not an astronaut I've never been to space .
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He had ample opportunity to debate Eric Dubai on Joe Rogan’s podcast and he chickened out! Ask Neil what gravity is, you’ll be waiting a while.
He didn't chicken out. He never agreed to a debate in the first place. He declined because Joe Rogan just penciled Tyson in without consulting him beforehand. Would you agree to do something if someone volunteered you without consulting you first? Probably not, right? Neither would I. So why should Tyson?
To add to Josh's excellent reply, Neil doesn't debate flat Earth theorists for the same reason he doesn't waste his time debating Concave Earth theorists, or Hollow Earth theorists, or crop circle theorists, or ISS hoax theorists, or alien abduction theorists, or Electric Universe theorists, or UFO theorists, etc.
So *why should Neil make flat Earth theorists a special case for debate?*
If Neil had a history of debating leading theorists of many other conspiracy claims (including the conspiracy theories that you don't believe yourself) then sure you could argue he should do the same for flat Earth theorists.
But that's not the case, therefore there's no reason for Neil to waste his time debating people who have their own view of reality and their own agendas, where their 'theories' has nothing to do with science and nothing to do with the scientific method :-|
Gravity is proven but scientists don't know why it exists, it just does.
Magnetism is proven but scientists don't know why it exists, it just does.
Light is proven but scientists don't know why it exists, it just does.
To explain magnetism we have theories of magnetism. To explain light we have theories of light.
Likewise, to explain gravity we have theories of gravity.
Asking Tyson to debate Dubay (that’s his name, by the way, not Dubai which is a city) about astrophysics is like asking my 8 year old son to debate Gareth Southgate about international soccer strategy. Pointless.
Flat earther argument.
"yes I know its a fact, and that it proves its a globe but I have invalid evidence that says its flat"
Or, yes you have science and history and facts on your side, but I have this useless, distorted image, so I win!
@@Mandelbrot_Set dont forget.
"nevermind your complicated math equation that consistently work, I have a p900, a table and a coin"
@Q.E. D true, in fact they seem rather proud of being wrong. Awake but wrong.😂
Actually not finding any curvature, ANYWHERE proves it's flat. Balls curve, this ball doesn't
The holy TV for the space religion is all the evidence they need. And alot of heavy indoctrination 5 days a week of believe us because we said so.
The thing about flat Earthers is that there's this one huge elephant in the room that they just can't address: they're unwilling to show us the edge of the world. In a flat world that's gotta be the main focus, Earth having an edge. Go find it and document it.
Pool your money together, use your superior knowledge of physics and geography to navigate yourselves to the edge and document it. It's such a huge and obvious thing to show to other people that before you do that nobody should lend an ear to your crap.
But of course nobody's willing to do that. I can already see all the conspiracy-laden excuses why they can't do it. The real reason for not doing it is simple, they won't do it because they're afraid that it'd be a simple answer to whether or not they are wrong. They can't risk being wrong.
Im wondering what shape they see the moon and the sun?
Fundemort Grey Prime Defender of Truth and Justice the moon and soon is a projected hologram. So that answers your question. This is what flat earthers believe 🤷♂️
@@LethalMartialArtist Aah must be the work of Commissioner Gordon.
LordKellthe1st can't go past the barrier created by the United nations 🇺🇳 thats y
@tyler durden How is the rock completely wet if, as you claim, no water is sticking to it?
I need no lab to see that an entire wet rock is entirely wet.
Arguing with someone who has abandoned the use of reason... is like administering medicine to a dead person.
That would be someone who believes in the spherical Earth theory purely because it was what they were taught from a young age, and they can't break free from their indoctrination. Much like many religious people.
There is an advert that Neil deGrasse Tyson is on where he is saying that aliens have better things to do then to visit earth sitting in a planetarium with kids. Can anyone tell me what the ad is for? I want to watch it again
If the Earth was flat the sun would rise at the same time everywhere. It's such a logic fail to believe the Earth is flat when you can't get around that argument.
no, it would not.
Michael Hämmerle Think for yourself, Dont parrot bullshit. Flat earth is impossible
@@captasticts8419 EXPLAIN IT THEN!!!!
explain what??
Only if you're talking about the massive giant fireball they tell you is the, but if it's inside the dome it would be much smaller. Duh.
The one thing that I could never find an explanation on by Flat Earthers is how did a flat earth come into existence. We know how the spherical earth was formed through accretion but I cannot find any Flat Earther give an explanation on how a flat earth was formed.
Their explanation...... GODDIDIT.... Because..... reasons.
@@boterlettersukkel GOD Created Life On Earth.
@@boterlettersukkel GOD Made The Earth In 4.543 Billion Years And It Was A Sphere.
Exactly!
Because The Earth Is A Sphere.
Not Even GOD Can Make A Flat Earth As It Would Crumble Like Paper.
The Earth Is Obviously A Sphere.
The one thing he left out on who wins a debate, is the people who have the evidence and better arguments.
Look at the election of your national politicians and trying claiming better evidence and arguments win the debate with a straight face. You might say you're talking about scientific discussion. The audience of this video is the general public, not scientists, the kind of people who elect politicians. You don't persuade such people with scientific discussion.
Not necessarily. You don't necessarily have to have the objectively correct side of the argument to win the debate. You just have to be a better talker.
This is what a coward says when he knows he will get wiped out in a debate. Calling someone dangerous because you dont agree is the actual dangerous act.
Again, we don’t need to prove anything to flat earthers.
Gerald Mahoney yes but let’s do it anyway, more fun.
Yes but im bored and i want to make a 20something year old guy with the mind of a 2 year old spend his time typing more than his phones ram is capable of.
If we (especially the experts) don't respond to flat earthers some children will believe in the myths.
James Horton No, by arguing with them you drag yourself down to their level. And needless to say, it would be in vain
Probably because you can't.
The fact that "flat earth believers" is even a thing in this era is enough reason why i don't take society and people seriously.
Thank you, I've given up as well, it's just so much more peaceful
I honestly believe the flat earth believers are proof that any education system has failed the people. Truthfully, if you don't learn how to critically think and really understand the basics in our foundation as humans (education), everything is possible. Including flat earth believers.
Cmon man ...we have man who believe they are women. And we accept it . But this is not Okey 🤣😂🤣😂??
Really shows a massive failure our our education systems. We need massive investment and reform on education, especially in hard to reach rural areas!
And why do you believe in the Spherical Earth theory, because you've researched it and found it to be true, or because you were taught to believe it as you grew up, and now the idea is entrenched in you?
Simple-a flat earth cannot explain why Polaris DISAPPEARS if you go south of the equator!
Still/Not moving water proves a level earth..
Or why the moon rotates one degree for every 70 miles moved north south across the earth.
"I am objectively right, ur wrong" You sure shut them down hard, Neil, you sure did buddy ;)
It’s funny seeing the scared flat earthers hiding in the replies.
? You should read. It helps.
A small portion of brave flerfs go out from hiding actually.
@@westonwilliams8694 you a flat earther?
@@ratman7212 what difference does it make.
@@westonwilliams8694 it's just a question I don't criticize either way
Thank you! I've bee saying for years that debating is no way to settle a disagreement. In a debate, you can't change or modify your position, you can't go away and come back later when you have new information, you can't do actual experiments, and you can't agree to disagree. It doesn't reach scientific truths. It doesn't change anyone's mind. It doesn't even settle courtroom disagreements, because courtrooms have rules and procedures that aren't reflected in formal debates. It doesn't even really affect the way people vote, because most people's minds are made up before the debate even starts. The only thing a debate is good for is a "game" played by high school students.
Plus, when you debate someone who clearly has no basis or expertise, you present the other person as an "equal" to yourself, and in the process, partially validates any ridiculous position.
Yep, all true.
@Jack DaltonFlat Earth can only be proved through debate.
Round Earth can only be proved by demonstration.
Why debate the demonstration?
hold a paper flat to your hand and spin.
It stays stuck to your hand because you are pushing it sideways faster than it can fall down.
Put a rock in water and take it out, it is covered with water because it is wet, and the water stays.
Why debate this?
@@ZeroOskul what are you even talking about, what's your point?? why even reply to jack dalton specifically if nothing you say is related to their comment.
sorry but: that is absolute nonsense.
@@captasticts8419 Jack Dalton's comment was that the idea that debating facts versus opinions is useless was total BS.
I replied that One thing can only be proved through debate while the other can only be proved through observation.
I then gave several demonstrations Jack Dalton could perform to prove that facts are not debatable.
My reply to Jack Dalton was plainly in direct response to everything Jack Dalton presented to this thread
Why are you pretending to be illiterate yet able to communicate through text?
Amateur radio propagation proves the heliocentric globe model
1.curvature, use vhf or uhf bands with a vertical antenna on fm and the earth gets in the way this is the radio horizon usually 4/3rds the visual horizon.
2.the speed of light, every antenna made is calculated by c/f=lambda or it would not resonate at its fundamental frequency.
3.distance to local Rocky bodies in space,knowing the speed of light it is easy to calculate the distance the moon also proving its not a holographic image 3000 miles away.
4.curved water vhf and uhf marine radios have a finite distance before the body of water gets in the way.
5. Existence of the ISS. The space station has a Kenwood ham radio onboard ,we can talk to it and it also has a repeater we can talk through, not only proving its altitude,location but also it’s velocity due to Doppler,yes we have to alter frequency to compensate for the shift.
6. Satellites… there are several satellites that orbit the earth that have to be tracked to use them to make contacts these are the Oscar satellites
We now have a geo bird too this is QO100.
7.GPS,many radios today use gps foe APRS and location .
8.HF radio and yagi antennas with rotators…the earth isn’t flat or there wouldn’t be a need for a different map Deleon location,
9. Again with Hf and beam antennas there is both a long and short path 180deg apart can’t do that on a flat earth.
10 the existence of the ionosphere HF radio would be limited to ground wave and direct wave communications without it,
Do you wish me to carry on?
But hey what would I know after 43 years of comms use in the field?
LOL this is why you people are so sadly pathetic - the concept that you call the "ionosphere" is literally a solid barrier called the firmament and cannot be passed through - AND, as a military trained Electronics Tech specializing in both Communications and RADAR - you don't even need to "bounce" signals off anything - they propagate across earth until the Atmos diminishes the signal into the level of "noise"
Then there's the flat earth proof of some of the longest Synchronous Digital DIRECTIONAL intranet links in the hundreds of miles where the directional antennae's are only 50 feet off the sea level - not THAT IS impossible on the claimed "globe". Those signals CANNOT work if "bounced" - anyone in electronics KNOWS this (which is one of the main reasons that I even looked into Flat earth 8 years ago)
Everyone IS a flat earther - some just haven't taken the time to figured out how they were deceived or why.
Flat Earth Model? The thing cannot argue 2 scientific points simultaneously, let alone work as a complete model. The fact that they could potentially influence others, for example, who unfortunately are "missing a few sandwiches for a picnic (God love them) is very totally uncool. Plus some make money from other stupid people. Profit for misinformation, its a really frowned upon thing these days.
globed earth does? yeah were spinning 66 thousand miles per hour but we can observe space lololol
Those words at the beginning of the video are so true. If a person is good with words and acts very confident, that person often wins the debate. I had a debate with one like that once, it was incredibly frustrating because I was right and he was wrong. But I couldn't make him, or the ones around him, see that because he wasn't stumbling over his words like I did and he sounded smart. (To be fair, he is pretty smart, but he was still wrong this time). Extremely annoying that is.
@Q.E. D Yeah, sadly.
There was a flat earth debate about a year ago between a famous flat earther, Dave Murphy, and a scientist (may have been an astrophysicist, I can’t remember). Dave said all the usual flat earth crap we’ve all heard a thousand times but the science guy clearly wasn’t prepared for all the nonsense coming out of Dave’s mouth and stumbled his way through the debate - plus English wasn’t his first language to make it worse.
So, of course, Dave won the debate easily and all the flatties took it as a win. Does that mean he was right? Hell no! Dave is a moron. But he was charismatic and well rehearsed with his flat earth bs.
@@dirkardostevergreen4827 Yeah, but idiots don't understand that sadly. :/
Isn’t Tyson good with words and acts very confident? I can’t think of anyone better. Sounds like a cop out to me. Scientists debate each other all the time. Tyson isn’t a scientist. He’s a museum curator. He’s a talking points go to guy. That’s why he doesn’t want to debate.
I agree! Been through this several times. I didn’t stumble but do to the fact the facts were alien to the audience it made the person seem to be right bc they all wasn’t educated
I only know one Bob and he found the 15 degree per hour drift. Legendary.
No, the Bob your referencing found the Aether moving like michelson-morley had tested in the 1920's. The same Aether Albert Einstein killed. The Aether now is used to describe dark matter, University studies.
@@chandlerjeffries1892 Definitely not the Bob I'm talking about.
Be careful with the ether next time, don't breathe it.
Maxx McGee
,you may wanna go look at the experiment Nikolas Tesla did in which he also proved aether.
a study in 1986 also proved aether they used the best equipment yet.
"Thanks, Bob."
What's drifting ?
Fortunately, it *appears* that the Flat Earth conversation has died down somewhat.
lol - where have you been - if on youtube then yes - they hide it, but everywhere else its huge. I can literally find that if I talk with 10 random people in public 2 already KNOW its flat, 4 more are currently in the process of researching it and I might add tell me that they are now leaning FLAT - and another 2 on top of them which know it's a thing but claim to be indifferent - and all 8 of those people say that they KNOW at least one flat earther - usually a family member or close friend...
So there's THAT!
He really decided to not address anything at all. That's crazy
Me: "You couldn't be any more stupid if you tried."
Flat earther: "Hold my beer..."
I have never heard of Glob earther...
As soon as you ask questions They have names for you .. sad
@@fritsvansanten9065 what?
@@bgardiner3354 that it's "not allowed" to ask anything that shakes the current consensus.
Everyone knows that scientists who would do such a thing, get shunned.
Nowadays even non scientific people wanna shun anyone questioning the consensus.. We ought to be able to do better..
@@IOU1987 that is complete bullshit. The very nature of science is to verify and validate. Science and the scientific community do not ridicule new thoughts or ideas... they ridicule thoughts that do not reflect sound epistemology. This scientific gate keeper bullshit is just a reason people like flat earthers give to justify their ridiculous beliefs, which are inevitably rooted in their belief of an imaginary friend
Arguing with a flat earther is like playing chess with a pigeon. It knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and struts around like it won.
zerooskul - See how stupid a Globe believer is!!!!
I think it'd be more like playing chess with a person who believes all 64-square board games are exotic variations on tic-tac-toe.
It's just a human who does not know the rules and refuses to learn them.
It is dehumanizing to dehumanize people.
Yes, despite having weird thoughts or strange habits or odd dress or indiscernible languages or unexpected physiques, all people, even Flat Earthers, are humans, too.
Why would the pigeon be at a chessboard?
Why would the pigeon try to play chess?
Why would the pigeon stay instead of flying away?
The pigeon needs intent and must recognize the challenge to approach the board as something to work with and around.
See how you feel trying to think this over about a human?
Yeah, people aren't pigeons.
Jesus lads, it's a light-hearted analogy. Calm the fuck down.
The Dunning-Kruger effect and cognitive dissonance are the enemies of common understanding.
@@DrBrainTickler hey< spastic prove 1 inch of curvature below please I'm waiting:
I've recently had a family member fall for this garbage. No less, at the hands of one of those who ALWAYS has a nameless, faceless contact on the inside that gives them all this top secret information. Of course we can never know who they are at any time.
Well stated....Here is my take..You cannot fix Stupid no matter how hard you try!
The winner isn't the one with the best point.....Its the one who can YELL THE LOUDEST!!!!!!
Most flat earthers won't shut up and just continually talk over their opponent. That's how they "win".
Apparently it’s not a planet it’s a realm there is no edge - we’re in a Matrix
You have no idea how big of a matrix you are in.
Patrick Allen how do you know what I know ?
Well the universe is infinite so if you consider that as a matrix then by all means you’d be correct
DrSterlingSimmons XD infinite? Cute beLIEf.
DrSterlingSimmons, except the universe is not infinite.
I wish Bezos would send flat earthers up into space. Not just to see that the earth is round but so they can leave everyone else alone.
So by this logic (and no, I am not a Flat Earther), in a primarily American *Christian* society, if people who believe in other religions (Buddhism, Islam or even Jehovah Witnesses) would go from door to door to 'persuade' others to join that particular religion, is that also considered an "unhealthy situation", because those religions have far more other cultural ideas than the Christian religion. The norms and values within those religions are sometimes completely against Western society. Still, they are allowed to practice it, build their places of worship and actively 'recruit' people to join them. But nobody stops that.
Apples to oranges
Twitter is, for all its flaws, a great vehicle for illustrating crossovers among groups of followers.
@@DrBrainTickler 1. Humans are wired for identity and group belonging. 2. When has this ever NOT been the case in human history lol 3. No it hasn't been criminalised, although I suspect you're being hyperbolic. 4. There's no evidence Earth is overpopulated by humans, but our current resource allocation/use is not sustainable. 5. Humans transcended being an "invasive species" the moment we became a global species. 6. We're an inherent part of this biosphere with the ability to actually do something about the impact we have. Literally no other living thing we know of has that in their hands.
@@DrBrainTickler you fail terrible in identifying flattards group, most of them are fanatic Christians radicals, and thats why they believe that, an all the rest is "the devils deception"
@@StoneCoolds I've been trying to engage with flatearthers, just to feel out the population, and while my sample size is small and it is a subjective measurement, I would say that about 1/3rd of them are just trolls doing it for the lulz, which...may actually be worse.
"First i searched, who is BOB." If this isn't a hard burn i don't know what is😂😂😂😂
Doh! Thought he was going to offer an explanation as to why flat earthers are wrong, not a bunch of excuses about why he won't debate with them. Not impressed.
I kind of like the flat earthers just because they immediately let me know they aren’t worth talking to or knowing or having any respect for lol. Saves time.
If flat earth wasnt true this much ammo wouldnt be expended against it
Eeem no people are just worried that the ignorance of people is growing soo much . also flath earth is a gateway to others dangerous conspiracy .
@@silversurfer6360 its not "dangerous " to think the world is flat lollll
@@goose33 Sure. It's not dangerous _at all_ to throw out verifiable information. Otherwise, the Measles would be making a comeback. Oh, wait.
@@CantSettleOnAName lol he who believes msm is a fool.
I see measles nowhere
@@goose33 "flat earth" is the gateway drug to all other conspiracies.
Every flat earth believer has obviously not taken a physics course in their life. I honestly can't believe how stupid their arguments are. They have no idea about how things work in the universe.
I know but they just bug me. I've been all over the GLOBE and there is no ice wall just ice caps. At least I've converted my flat earth friends.
If the Earth was flat we would never experience night time.
Dr Tyson makes a good point. When you engage in a debate with someone who is objectively wrong, it actually strengthens their belief. It's a psychological phenomenon called the Backfire Effect. So instead, you just say "You are mistaken, and here's why." And then you move on.
This is also why I don't support UA-cam channels that focus on debunking flat-earthers. Because they unwittingly invoke the Backfire Effect, which emboldens the flat earthers.
michael blacktree it's funny that exactly what he complains and dislikes about debate played such a key role in telling everybody that they are just animals,from a long line of animals and are as such nothing more than slaves to there desires...meanwhile we are supposed to believe that something not only came from nothing but that also skipping the lightning striking the primordial soup as your ilk call it,we were fish who somehow took to land to become apes at some point...so how did that first fish do it and the main question I suppose is if this indeed happen you lot must believe that some monkeyfish hybrids must have existed first otherwise you must wonder as to just how that transition happened and is this theory is believed without any evidence...Tyson is a liar and I'm not judging you,I once liked the mans passion and way with words...according to his own little theory regarding debate,shouldn't he,an eloquent and charismatic man not without charm should want,if indeed he is indeed objective truth is on his side,to put scientific illiteracy to bed,isn't this after all his mission in life,to teach how to think is how he put it...you don't ask yourself any of these questions??the scientific method has been abandoned by most and there certainty of being right will be there own undoing,professing themselves wise,they became fools...work on your discernment and critical thinking skills man
@@qwertymcqwert7066 He is not a liar. But you are a science illiterate.
@@qwertymcqwert7066 critical thinking skills huh? You clearly exhibit none at all. You are clearly coming from a creationist point of view, while completely misrepresenting evolution , of which you obviously have no understanding of! You and your "ilk" are clearly the people he is warning us about! Science doesn't give a shit about your beliefs, deal with it!
@@qwertymcqwert7066 Your inability to understand evolutionary theory doesn't prove it wrong.
@Siddesh Gannu like his channel. Conspiracy Catz, Creaky Blinder, Reds Rhetoric, Sly Sparkane, Shawn Hufford, dazzacamerman, Martymer81, Coolhardlogic, FTFE, Team Skeptic, WheresWa11y,Hiith, Planarwalk, Geo, Geist View, Astronomy Live to name a few, oh yeah Greater Sapien, Wolfie6020, to name a few worth checking out. Not all debunk flatearth but tackle other equally retarded conspiracies.
Within the first minute he practically describes the whole american court system.
I like watching debates to improve my urging skills
I don’t know where he discredited or proved flat earthers wrong tbh. All he said was “no BOB I don’t know who you are and stop saying you are using math and physics to make your claims” but didn’t say why or how
"An alarm to the geek-o-verse to rise up and counteract these forces from the dark side. The bat signal went up..." hahaha You can tell he really loves sci-fi with those references to Star Wars and Batman.
No, he's just trying to appeal to the ballcap bozo crowd.
1:49 We have a badass over here
classic
He gave the badass signal. lol.
He's a great preacher for this religion.
Quantum Douche Plus I got your back Nye
@XxxxX xxx dude you're subbed to Thomas deLauer, you don't get to talk about stupidity
Flat Earther: "The Earth is flat."
Me: **pulls out the Quantum Field Theory pistol and shoots**
"Let's hope the next time I have to do this I have the Theory of Everything bazooka".
A word of warning to anyone debating a member of the public about a pizza earth, who has actually been upstairs to take a look ie those taken a trip on the Blue Origin, or spent months in the space station going round and round. Its very likey they give a big belly laugh or you may recieve and instant concussion. So bear that in mind.
“Question everything, and if someone tells you not to
question it; then question it - even more!”
Sure, question everything. Just don't be so damn gullible.
@@timbaldwin9951 Exactly. Like listening to NDT as if he's an all-knowing God.
@@billyzig No. NDT just repeats what every scientist, physicist and astrophysicist say.
I'm talking about the gullible flat earth folks. Bunch of high school science flunkies.
@Billy Zig
Yes, it Is important to question and wonder, but it doesn't mean that you yourself are the only right one, learn the facts. If people are claiming you don't understand a certain subject, ask a professional, re learn the subject, etc. You can't just go around claiming 2500 years of science (the very same science that gives us internet, faster communications, naval and flight directional gps', etc.) is false, because it isn't, if you aren't certain, ask someone, or google it, you have all the information you'll ever need. Our amassed human knowledge through centuries, in something the size of a plate.
@@timbaldwin9951 Yeah, exactly. He is just another parrot.
TYSON knows: Never argue with a fool! On lookers can’t tell the difference! Nice to hear the real logic behind that. Thanks!
I agree with Tyson. Being charming, charismatic, quick-witted, articulate, and confident has no bearing on reasoning or truth.
Unless he's arrogant or is just trying to get out of a debate. This is pretty much just a weak attempt to justify why he backed out of a debate with Eric Dubay.
Ya you don’t get it !
@@tshinn you get nothing including 🐱
Hey look everyone a virgin flat earther 😂
What if earth is neither flat nor a sphere.?
It's actually a hole that our awkward brains translate as a sphere
Just as Neil pointed out: there is no sense in debating people who are mentally incapable of comprehending the scientific method.
I will not be answering any of the bait comments directed toward me. All of the answers to your questions can be readily found online with actual photo and video evidence, as well as the graphs, charts, and maps to prove it. You just choose to ignore the logical websites/tv shows and focus on the fringe conspiracies...
I also find it hilarious that instead of answering the question about the "triangular flight path" from the North pole, you simply dodged it by saying "well nobody ever makes that flight, so it doesn't matter"... oh yes. That sounds like the scientific method to me... 😂
The curvature can't be seen on a farm backyard or by walking a few metres away from a pole. Get over the fact that the earth is too big and you're a grain of salt compared to it.
Even a grain of salt is too big for a comparison.. more like a microbe compared to it.
That happens when ego gets bigger than knowledge. We will be drowned in a river and we are talking about the earth which primarily has 5 oceans
@@nayannbg6314 yeah like one of those rivers or oceans that has no curvature that will ever be witnessed. 👍
@@squatttter except it can be witnessed in a plane? It can be witnessed by looking at a clear horizon? What are you on?
With a stated elevation loss of 8 inches per mile squared on a globe earth 25,000 miles in circumference, many far-away objects are visible that should be hidden behind curvature. The mainstream disingenuously claims this is “atmospheric” phenomena or a kind of “mirage”, but it’s too pervasive to be either of those. The globe model does not add up if we are to take them at their word with the “facts” provided about the dimensions of the globe earth.
My personal fav: "So, what does that Venn diagram look like?"
If the Earth was flat, wouldn't the edge be a tourist attraction?
The world is not round..... its a sphere .
Astronaut: I saw the earths curve with my own eyes when I was 100 km in the air.
flat earther: CLEARLY YOU DONT HAVE EYES, the theory of a person having eyes is just a myth.
Paragon?
Globers can't meme
@@squatttteruhhhh... I dont get what ur saying here
Well, your obviously not a pilot.
@@squatttter globers are defensive cornballs
Him saying he had to look up who BOB was is the ultimate form of shade
I do respect him as as a scientist on the true science part .
I disagree with Dr Tyson that there any such bullshit as "winning" or "losing" a debate, because there exists no objective universal quantifiable definition of "winning" or "losing" a debate, and any definition anyone comes up with itself IS UP FOR DEBATE! But, the point is: 100% agree with Dr Tyson that NOBODY should waste time debating a flat-earther or an Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) denier.
"Those are fighting words." A sentence I never thought I would hear him say.
And fighting is going toe to toe in a debate but yet he won't debate nobody but says they are fighting words he's giving you the runaround
I wish it were that easy to know what is objectively true in other more complex issues than the shape of our planet
All objectivity is subjective, which further complicates things here...
If you want objective truth, become a mathematician.
What do you not know to be objectively true?
@@DonCDXX Fair enough - set theory, ZF or ZFC - which is objectively true?
@@thstroyur It is objectively true that ZF and ZFC are both the exact same thing and are also set theories so all three are set theory.
Science supports the Bible and vice-versa: Earth is round
While some conspiracy theories might say otherwise, science has confirmed the shape of our planet as round. This is also mentioned in the Bible: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22).
Round doesn’t equate to spherical.