hi , im a 10 year old and i have watched every single of your videos they are lovely as my interest in heavenly and interstellar bodies i love to hear you talking about so much of information thx a lot for sharing all this knowledge ;w;
It would have been awesome to have sabine's videos when I was a kid, I used to read the same astronomy book over and over, it was my only sceintific knowledge source.
15:30 "To me, therefore, flat earthers, are a warning sign that scientists should take seriously. The more difficult scientific experiments and arguments are to follow for non-experts, the more care we must take to explain how we lead those arguments." That's an incredibly well put conclusion.
@@TheQuranIsTheWay ua-cam.com/video/aB2RTRd46us/v-deo.html I tried it myself, and sure enough - hilarious 😅 Unfortunately, Google have since de-ranked their preferred top result. Still pretty funny.
yea its an interesting dichotomy. To a layman like me I often find scientific topics over my head to fuel my sense of wonder and curiosity, whereas other's view the same with skepticism or even fall back on supernatural explanations which - to me - seem even more implausible..
The hard part is scientists would have to take into account the varying degree of intelligence of the audience and perhaps more frustrating, their degree of accepting evidence disproving their personal thoughts or feelings. For flat earthers, a lot of them just don’t want to believe anything coming from any government agency or religious entity.
@@fredman1085 I agree, that's the challenge, a challenge which could have been lessened or avoided if the education systems were improved. Obviously there is many factors involved in why so many people today seem to doubt many established truths despite not being able to understand the evidence.
My cat tries to act seductive to get attention but now it just hides in the cupboard since my father pushed his powerful stem right in its little brown button
@@cabbagefart7432 To which I reply. respondeat superior. And since you are not one. You should learn to listen meus puer discipulus. I'll take it, you have no explanation or understanding of the standard model. IT is always a bore to see claims made that never have any scientific bases. Be advised young one I have no such shortcomings. What would you like to learn?
it's flat all right the horizon is at least 5 times further out than it should be . the horizon test is the test for flat earth and the globe fails badly every time . the horizon does not move from its position , which is at least 20 miles away , to where it should be which is 3 and a half miles if you're 8 feet above the ocean . no curvature to the ocean - flat
Ex flat earther here. For some like myself It's lack of knowledge, lack of understanding, thinking you know something you don't for example how the physics would be when it isn't. For example...we rotating 1000mph at the equator... no that's tangential speed and we don't feel speed (when you mention the higher speeds for eg going around the sun etc then they think we should feel the movement... Some are honestly lost especially the newcomers... those who have been in it for years and had things explained and demonstrated many times and many different ways are just liars, trolls and grifters, possibly some with biases and cognitive dissonance they can't or won't overcome or even realise they have. I realised my lack of knowledge and understanding and biases and cognitive dissonance and along with the help of others and chatgpt and fixed it. There's also those who look up to some as idols and want to impress them and so will not disagree with them in the slightest and stay stuck in fe. Oh and one more thing attacking flat earthers name calling etc doesn't help it only puts the walls/defences up more.
The problem is that even being nice to flatters doesn't matter - they just "fake", "CGI" and "perspective" whenever they are at a loss for words. It's been my experience that flatters here just like being anti-, i think it finally gives them a sense of "smartness".
Thanks, Rachie. Having been active in this debate for over 10 years, I know that all too many debunkers have become so emotionally invested in their mantra of "FEs are irremediably inferior to us 'smart people' and will never reach a level where they can be reasoned with", that they (such debunkers) would prefer not to be told of ex-FEs like yourself. But for the benefit of debunkers who want to be more effective, could you give us a few example of people and resources who were most helpful to you?
@@JimSmithInChiapas : How about flat earthers at least attempt to do research into their claims about their own model? That is, without just making stuff up or complaining about why should be expected to prove anything.
@@kitcanyon658No...the flat earthers are biased lot.They are very dangerous people because they just assumed on what they see only...seeing in believing is their motto.
Rather then being entirely dismissive, you make an effort to understand people’s thinking, even if they’re wrong. You’re respect toward others is admirable, you educate rather then insult - insults only hardens people’s hearts and minds.
Surely after all this time we must have reliable photo images of earth from far out it space. If not, then I suppose flat earthers have a good case that there is a conspiracy going on.😮
@@doranmcferran9663 The science of Earth is called Geodesy, Earth has been measured and is not flat. Any alternative idea about Earth must: 1) provide argument and evidence what Geodesy does wrong 2) provide better models than Geodesy/Astronomy models which is very hard since the current scientific models are very good at explaining all related natural phenomena
totally agree! The first couple videos i thought she was dry and humorless; didn't like the videos much. Then it struck me, she's actually quite the comedian, just *incredibly* dry and wry. I love it.
I appreciate how you treat people with respect and do not just dismiss people as being stupid. You are a great educator and truly care about helping people understand science.
Another example is Susan Blackmore, who writes critically but sympathetically about those who've had anomalous experiences that they interpret in nonscientific ways.
in regards to theory of relativity, albert einstein also claimed that gravity is a "Scheinkraft" (which is german for "it appears to be a force of its own when it's not") so why do you quote these people if you have no idea about them or physics... that's exactly the stupidity Einstein was referring to. @@bobs182
When I was 5 years old, my father looked enormous, When I was 18, he was 2 inches shorter than me. Therefore he gradually shrank over 13 years. Of course, it also meant that the shelf I could never reach gradually moved down the wall until I could reach it, my clothes grew smaller as time went on... and, well round about my mid-teens, my senses adjusted so that I seemed to get bulkier and stronger as I played rugby and cricket and ran cross-country, but obviously this was a myth. All the people around me just got frailer and weaker, the furniture shrank, as did streetlights, buildings and animals. It's the only thing that makes sense, since I am the centre of the universe, and the essential founder of reality.
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Well, I'm 71 and I have only watched a few of your videos so far, but I love the fact that you've shown me that I am still capable of learning - and enjoying it. Thanks again, Sabine.
I am an aerospace engineer and private pilot supporting the fact the earth is flat and stationary. Education is indoctrination. Big bang, evolution, relativity, gravity theories are all lies designed to sell the fake spinning, moving globe to the masses. Hollywood is a great keyboard on which the government can play. It is also a mighty wand from which spells are broadcast. ‘Govern mental’ literally means ‘mind control.’ Universities kill diversity. Attitudes, behaviors, thoughts, mannerisms, memes are mass controlled through the broadcast. Simultaneous levels and layers of programming are being broadcast into the population telling them who to worship, inverting right and wrong, true and false, displacing reality to replace it with a virtual and alternate reality as far as the mind of the population can be manipulated, which is very far. People are extremely malleable. Children are even more impressionable. Einstein meant it when he said that imagination is more important than knowledge. He wanted for us to stay asleep in the imaginary, inverted world that they created for us; some call it the matrix, others call it the zeitgeist, this erroneous perception of our world and universe. Yet this perception is part of the collective consciousness that was put together through the broadcasting of spells. As long as whatever inhabits the mind of the population is imaginary and detached from reality then the controllers have nothing to fear as far their control system goes. From birth, the population is tuned in to the wavelengths the authors of the system (i.e. the authorities) broadcast from their Hollywood wands. As the RHCP once said, space may be the final frontier but it's made in Hollywood basement. Only by awareness of this manipulation can you resist the big inversion. They live, while we sleep. Food for thought. Bon apathy.
☝️An aerospace engineer that denies the physics one needs to have knowledge of in order to be a successful aerospace engineer. You cannot make this stuff up. 🤣
@@marindancirco6498 I'm 72 now, and the only thing I'm curious about here is how some people can still maintain that they believe that the Earth is flat. It defies logic. They're either liars, deluded, or mentally deranged.
Well put ma'am!! You are absolutely brilliant! Thank you for your time in putting this video together! Thank you for having the ability to articulate, communicating, in a brilliant, fair, reasonable, explanation of the flat earthers, and how they are most likely thinking.
In my opinion, this "trust"-problem is not only true for scientific topics, but also many other things in our society. We get so specialised that there will be a point where you have to rely on another person. This doesn't mean you should trust them blindly - but if you want to check everything yourself, right down to the basics, it would be a never ending story.
Absolutely. One thing I've started understanding as I went through college is how almost everyone could help me my freshmen year, and now my teachers struggle to help with some of their own assignments. Another thing has been the realization that there are people a lot smarter than me, but due to our different fields, I know a lot more about my own field than they would ever care to know...but they still think they can do it better than me than I can. I have no doubts that they could if they put the same time I did, but they invested their time somewhere else, and there just isn't enough time in a single lifetime for anyone to be good at everything. It's okay to be good at one thing, just as long as you have others to trust to be good at their thing
Absolutely true. When it comes to simple things like the Earth being round, that's easy to verify. Launch a drone, send it way up. It becomes more difficult when there's a global pandemic and a small group of people tell you to put something in your blood that they won't tell you what it is. Distrust arises. =\
Google and UA-cam are one sided on FE Videos.Only Debunkers of FE are allowed on their pages.Monopolize your brain with Scientific Speculation designed for low IQ's.
This is the most polite and conscientious response to the flat earthers I have ever seen. Bravo. You are truly an excellent science communicator and go to great lengths to respect your audience and potential audience.
Beautifully clear and well communicated viewpoint - a far better rebuttal of flat earthers than the 'Hey everyone, let's laugh at these idiots' stance that many out there take. Thank you for taking the time and effort!
I believe all the FE/Globe stuff all started with genuine people seeking truth and rebutting flawed logic. But FE died a few years ago. Now all that is left are people making money on FE, people making money making fun of FE, and poor misguided souls who get caught up one way or the other in the money making machine. The biggest names on both sides spend a lot of time rebutting each other in an attempt to dive viewers to each others channels. They often guest star on each others channels to 'debate'. Its just a pointless exercise that will continue as long as there is money to be made. FE stars of today cannot admit they were wrong because its their job.
Unfortunately, it will do absolutely nothing to some Flat Earthers who aren't looking for reason. Anything against their philosophy is fake news regardless of how much sense it makes.
@@psychohist I'd say her thoughts on the topic were sufficiently expressed here though: ua-cam.com/video/-fkCo_trbT8/v-deo.html Also, I'd say you're overstating the importance of the topic. The thing in question pretty much mostly concerns people who are trying to prove a point by any means necessary (a.k.a. conspiracy theorists) and some people who are genuinely interested in the topic but don't understand the subject material enough to be able to decipher it. The latter are probably the majority of the people, but I'd say the vast majority of them has no strong feelings on the topic so I really would not expect many unsubscribes either way, but at the same time, she is a German scientist, working for a German private-public institute called Frankfurt Institute for Advanced Studies. They do not deal with climate science so I highly doubt they would even care about her videos at all, let alone would they believe it somehow impacts on her work which is in a totally different area in the first place.
@Vinnie P Imagine you have trust issues so big that you literally don't believe anything and anybody except what you see with your own eyes. Imagine how that can affect your beliefs. The problem with flat earthers (and in common with other conspiracy theorists) is not that they believe in a flat Earth, the real problem is that they honestly believe that billions of people are trying to fool them.
@Vinnie P And the giant-wall-of-ice theory is "stupid" because why? Is the giant-wall-of-ice theory really an inherent part of every flat-earth theory? I am aware of two such theories (thus they are contradictory, of course). I don't see why an ice wall would be necessary "so we can't fall off"
I'm fine for flat-earthers or any human beings being stupid because they can learn someday. But being delusional or constantly paranoid, you need medical attention.
@NexusGen Inc. I agree, but i think that condition is closer to narcissism than to megalomania. Narcissists only know two subjects: themselves and the world. They have a tough time imagining how other people interact without him. For them, two people conspiring and two million people conspiring is all the same. Of course, it's much possible to be a narcissist AND a megalomaniacal.
it's very condescending and most of it is not even true. No modern FErs believe the earth is accelerating up. The number of FErs in the would is more like 10 million than 10k. This is very slick propaganda and written by a team of people.
@Captain Bruh exactly. Mockery can be properly used as a catalyst to help them change and see the errors in their thinking when they reject all evidence and fail to listen. Satire can often be an example.
@@AlanHowellphotovideo No, mockery just makes people angry and redoubles their determination to stand up to the mockers. Sabine has the right idea. Engage with people respectfully and show them why they are wrong.
@@bxdanny actually no, when you show respect to someone who is wrong, you engender confidence in their beliefs. When they seek out like minded idiots, you have lost the battle completely. I have watched Hitchens lovingly explain to religious people exactly where they are wrong, and those same people then return to their own and publicly berate him.
It won't be your own senses but the detectors data. Nobody ever seen atoms, least subatomics particules. In fact nobody ever seen anything except photons scatered by objects colliding with retina cells. Wait we don't see photons but our brain only construct an internal model of objects from retina excitation from photons colliding with retina cells. And so on ...
@@GonogoBonobo and that model is accurate and enough. definitely don't need ugly xray or gamma or radiowave senses...and those excitations count as seeing with our senses...
@@oakpope , This is my point, what does it means "to see" or any other sense. We never know the reality, but only know the experience of it. What we can reality is in fact only a construct of the mind.
A friend of mine blew my mind a few years ago when he announced that he was 20% open to the idea of Hollow Earth and about 5% open to the idea of Flat Earth. Now, this guy has always have a bit of a conspiracy theory bent to him, but he's NOT dumb. He's an electrical engineer and very smart. Like Sabine said, it's not driven by stupidity. I think like any group there's a diversity of motivations, but for him and those like him. I think there's a dopamine hit that comes from feeling like you know something other people don't. When presented with an argument that human wisdom is wrong, his mind WANTS to believe because of how cool it would be to be among those who 'find the truth'. And as any con man or psychic will tell you, the easiest people to fool are the ones who WANT to be fooled. I tried debunking the hollow earth claims via an email...that I learned he never read. I rebutted some of his flat earth claims in person...but they didn't really take. He seemed to have second thoughts when I told him that the classical greeks knew the earth was round and described the experiment they used to measure how big it was and that they came shockingly close for how imprecise their tools were. But that quickly faded and had no lasting impression. It was confirmation bias in action. He couldn't let go of that belief that maybe, JUST MAYBE....everything we know is wrong. And how cool that would be to discover.
no electrical engineer that isn't suffering significant mental problems could ever fall for flattardia. flat earth arguments are something that no intelligent, educated person could ever fall for.
@@johnqpublic7608 But see, that's exactly the conclusion that is easy to jump to that Sabine was cautioning against. And I would have been right there with you...until my friend 'came out' to me on the topic. I promise you, he IS a smart guy, and if you met him, I promise you would agree. He's worked on some pretty interesting contracts and projects too over the years. I'm not denying that SOME flat earthers are just in it because they're dim, or others because they think it supports their religious views...but those aren't this guy. I think it's an example that just because someone is smart, doesn't mean they aren't vulnerable to the biases and emotionally driven responses that can cloud everyone's thinking. Being smart doesn't mean you always reach the correct conclusions, and not everyone who reaches correct conclusions is smart.
@@brianmulholland2467 I'm in a similar boat as your friend in regards to Hollow Earth Theory, but for me it's more a thought experiment than a belief. I have similar feelings about other 'alternate explanation' theories. For example, I don't actually believe Noah's Ark or the Garden of Eden are anything more than religious fairy tales, but I still entertain thoughts about the 'Mars Eden' and 'Noah's Ark Spaceship' theories. Some other theories I like thinking about are the idea that dragons depicted in medieval art might have been some smaller dinosaurs that could have survived the meteor that killed them off only to be hunted to extinction by knights in the name of glory (there are historical records that talk about dragons as if they were real- sometimes going as far as to discuss their anatomy-and some depictions are no bigger than large dogs) and the idea that there might have been other inteligent species that evolved alongside humans only to be hunted down because they were different (because of how the 'uncanny valley' makes some people feel uneasy, and because I think it sounds like something humans would do). If you held a gun to my head and asked if I could provide concrete evidence for any of these things, I would say of course not- they're just fun to think about sometimes.
Fire dragons were recent inspirations by Medieval Jews, Christians, and Muslims view on hell creatures. Dragon of ancient folk tales in Africa, Eastern Asia, Australia, and the Americas all depict snakes that cause rain and live in rivers. You are insightful in recognizing Medieval knights needing heroic stories 😂
I think the treatment of "science" in the media hurts here, too. Too often, the view we have is of countless surprising outlier study results that are sensational enough to warrant speculative reporting. This food is bad for you. That one weird trick will make you live longer. This gives the distorted view that science is just smart people reporting new discoveries. When lots of those astounding reports are later contradicted, it looks like evidence that science doesn't work, when really it's just evidence that a single data point isn't sufficient for full understanding.
This so much. The media is... awful. They often report things like "Fuel cells/solar cells/super batteries/super capacitors are coming next year with this new technology." And while that new technology MAY exist, it's likely impossible to commercialize or would be so expensive as to not be economically viable. People have to accept that the world runs on money, and if something is too expensive to produce, the general public won't fund it/buy it. Of course science has technologies that could and would produce cleaner energy. But these technologies were produced using the most expensive materials and most expensive techniques. Often precious metals make up significant parts of batteries/other energy producing technologies that scientists study. I can't produce a battery that's 25% gold by weight and expect the public to pay a premium to use it when they can go to their local wal-mart and buy a normal battery, with likely half the capacity, for 1/1000ths of the cost. Science is burdened with the job of producing something CHEAPER than we currently have. And since things typically get cheaper the more they're used, fossil fuels are SO... UNGODLY CHEAP right now. (I'm using energy as an example, but the same idea applies everywhere.) Basically, the media is constantly undermining science even when they're trying to be useful. Furthermore, the media OFTEN misrepresents scientific publications because the media articles are written by idiots who have no idea what they're talking about, so they'll cherry pick a sentence and then say "this is what this entire paper is about." When in reality the scientific author was using that sentence as an example of something completely different. I've seen it happen more times than I can count.
Yeah, take something like global warming. If you only learn about global warming from the media and build what they say in to a scientific hypothesis then it's incredibly easy to pick apart and disprove as a hoax even if you lack a university education. Meanwhile if you take the actual science instead of the medias portray of it it's so far impossible to disprove. The fundamental problem is that you need at least 5 years of university studies (or more) to accurately understand all the science behind it to the point where you're capable of "making up your own mind" fairly. You need to learn everything from fluid dynamics and complex system analysis to quantum mechanics to be able to really understand every different part of it and how all of it interacts. But climate change as portrayed by the media? Well disproving that would make for a nice elementary school research project.
Here's a report that will not be "later contradicted." Water finds level. Level is a *_plane._* Earth is established on the *_same_* plane as water, a fluid, settled into a calm flat surface in a basin; i.e. a swimming pool for example. Basin size does *NOT* change water's nature to rest calm with it's surface a perfect plane once settled into a basin of *_any_* given size.
@@earth.is.a.plane. No. Just... no. Water does not find a "level". Water finds its place equidistant from the center of the mass that the water is attracted to (aka elevation). The ocean is not level. It is simply equidistant from the center of the earth. You're confusing "level" with "elevation." Over a sufficiently short distance, this will appear to be on the same plane. It is, however, not. I just don't... get it. Flat earthers can see and agree that the other planets/moons in our solar system are spherical. Including moons that have oceans of liquid on them, yet they dispute that oceans can exist on a sphere, yet they can... see... them. Oh of course that's assuming they don't think that space is all a conspiracy theory perpetuated by all of the governments of the world for... some... unknown.... purpose.
So... Their argument goes basically like this... "You can't accept science saying the world is round just because someone tells you it is. You have to go out and see it for yourself. The only evidence you can believe is what you yourself see." Where did you get that idea? "Saw it On UA-cam."
"The only evidence you can believe is what you yourself see": well, they do not see the sun coming up very tiny at the dawn, increasing in size until noon and then shrunking back to a point at sunset, like it should necessarily be the case if Earth was a flat disk and a smaller sun orbited over it like they claim! If their senses are showing them that, then I suggest that they stop eating allucinogenic mushrooms with a expired date or that they go and search for more pure weed or lsd, for their dope then seems to be toxic garbage... lol
If you go too far with it i think is just solipsistic. And dangerously close to psychosis..although psychosis is due to biological or trauma-related illness not just stupidity. And yes, this video did not convince me any more that its not stupidity. Its a better debunk as its a full understanding. Like, i get trusting only your own senses but they think seeing the moon in the day as if that has been a hidden fact is evidence. If they do not understand the round earth model, or gravity they cannot 'debunk' it. So for that inconsistency i would say sabine is being unusually kind for some weird reason. She absolutely rips very sensible deductive hypothesis...
@@007ullrich Why do you put it in capital letters? Do you think someone will miss that word when reading the sentence, or are you just yelling the word "FLAT!!!"?
@ronpapi9539 imagine a tiny toy car. Its wheels would need to complete a ridiculous number of rotations to get thousands of miles per hour. Now blow that up to a wheel the size of earth. It competes only 1/24th of a rotation by the time that little wheel on the toy car completes hundreds of thousands of rotations. It's not a ball that's spinning at ridiculous rates. It's a slow rate of rotation, just on an extremely large scale. Besides that, just the idea that we're on a floating disc is silly. If it's all free falling, or accelerating upwards, or however you'd like to think of it-- how would you account for everything in the heavens to be moving around both in their orbits that we see, but also somehow staying along with our trajectory? What I mean is, why would there be stars or planets or anything? Why wouldn't it all have fallen out of view by now? Did something just smack everything simultaneously with a paddle, then give every heavenly body a different spin and arbitrarily assigned orbits? And why would all the different bodies maintain the same constant velocity? How would rockets or planes even work? How would we have air? It's all just a little silly. If flat earth requires empirical evidence, then the only world that could be believed in would be the bits that my person has personally seen. I would have to believe that you don't really exist, because I'd never met you, the place you live couldn't possibly be real, etc. etc. Just-- Mercury, or even Venus-- that's one you can actually see with your eyes-- how, without evoking gravity-- does it orbit the sun, but also the sun is just moving around above a disc-- but also everything is moving relative to a disc at a constant velocity-- it just doesn't make sense at all. I have never seen anything behave like that ever... Like... Last example... I can soak a basketball, bounce it to you with a spin on it, and you'd catch a wet basketball. If I threw a flat disc at you, and somehow made it fly perfectly oriented vertically in your direction-- the water would fall off almost completely. Think of a windshield in the rain. The rain doesn't just puddle up and stay there. It slips off the windshield. It just seems like a bigger task to try and figure out how to make the flat earth model fit with reality than it does to fit the current scientific model. The science works, it's observable, the maths aren't just this Charlie Day conspiracy theorists evidence board that only make sense to a special group of people-- they are things that any person can actually put to the test on their own and can be applied to all sorts of things in the physical world. All of the products of modern technology are the result of the same physics that we used to prove the earth is a spheroid.
@@tykinn imagine accents in new yoke...i do. still flat , never will be otherwise, but wise I will remain , here's the truth in front of you and yet you deny. There rapidly comes a point where you save whom you can , and allow the storm to take the remaining. Galatians 5:1 “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” Being targeted is an honor, it tells me I'm over the target and striking darts and arrows.
I often ponder the possibility that humanity could be stuck in a perpetual Stone Age if not for language and it’s capacity to store and accumulate knowledge. We would then have to learn everything on our own as she says.
The other side of the coin for language is the effect that once ideas are written and labeled "God words" there will be people taking those written words as actually spoken by a God. And doesn't help the fact Gods never recorded any word since the invention of recorded sound...
Fun Fact: One of the earliest written records we have is instructions on how to domesticate horses. If language were never invented, horse domestication would have likely never been able to be learned and reproduced, eventually dying out with whatever generation didn't learn it or pass it on.
@@ethanpschwartz Well no the generation would pass sit on to the next as practice or orally, as they did before writing was invented. Then another generation would probably discover it again. It would depend on how useful it was. Practices that don't get used are forgotten, and much of the knowledge that goes with them.
“Few people cared - he died in 1971” omg, that cracked me up 😂. I’m a 47 year old with just a High School Diploma but I continue to learn from you Sabine. Your awesome!
@@jamesn7305 what I meant is having a higher education is better than getting small snippets of information on same topic from youtube videos as former is more complete. My statement wasn't about flat earth, but I doubt anyone with higher education diploma (a real one) in physics-related area can believe in flat earth.
Have you seen the GoFast rocket launch? ua-cam.com/video/001IXnp0ogc/v-deo.html. It goes 73 miles up and suddenly and at the same time you here a THUD it goes from spinning fast to slow. As it spins, slow it down and you will see the moon which looks TINY from that distance. Ask yourself, why/how could the moon look so tiny from 73 miles up. You can see in the video the launch is around mid day. They published the date of the launch. So the look up where the moon was at that day and apx. time..... OVER INDONESIA! Sorry, that is CHECKMATE! NOT ONLY is it impossible to see the moon over Indonesia from 73 miles over NV on a ball earth on that documented day/time but it ALSO explains why the moon is SO SMALL and far away! --- AND there is NO OTHER EXPLANATION for the moon looking so small (and far away!) If the earth is an 8k dia. ball, Indonesia is directly on the opposite side of the ball from NV..... sorry chump.
Did they then change their minds ? Or did they just come up with some post hoc reason why their experiment didn't _really_ provide evidence for a globe Earth ? Because that's the difference between _actual_ rational skepticism and merely propagating pseudo-scientific conspiracy theories - the former follows the evidence.
Lol 🤣 groups here in the US have done the same. Check out the documentary Behind the Curve, they disprove their theory several times then refute the results. Cheers!
This is billowing my mind. I think a humble yet unanimously vital point is this: if one wants to communicate, which is arguably so much important in societies, he or she needs to take scientifically inconsistent but partially rational arguments seriously. Scientific education should strive to reveal a healthy attitude and how to take sciences “scientifically”. You are a true communicator.
You are talking about good pedagogy. But flat-earthers have another problem, besides their "partially rational arguments", their lack of scientific education, and their intellectual limits. They don't want to learn about reality. For obvious psychological reasons. Arguing with a flat-earther is a real challenge. If you succeed, you totally destroy his universe, the spine which sustained his whole life. To replace it by what ? The awareness of his emptiness ?
thank you. I have no doubt about my education, and life's experience's. My father was an airline pilot, i was privvy to many jet excursions...more proof of a circular Earth!
@@shereef3823 Who are you talking to ? Is it Lisa ? By the way, spherical would be better than circular. Flerfs never could measure their pizza, that should have alarmed them !
This is incredibly well put! Instantly subscribed. I think this issue of rejecting evidence for illogical reasons has been really growing in recent years, especially in the US. I think many of these points could be used even outside of arguments regarding the shape of the earth.
In the US the rejection of science has obviously become a part of rightwing doctrine. Less obvious, yet nonetheless true is the rejection of science and rational thought in the far left. I am convinced that both are simply opposite sides of the same coin. Unfortunately I doubt that rational argument is of any use.
US has well known education problems and science rejection cases for political reasons. You know the phrase "I'm not an american" means "I'm not extremely stupid to be unable to understand a simple thing".
I've never understood the argument: "Your senses tell you the Earth is flat." I've seen with my own eyes things that make no sense if the Earth was flat. I see on clear evenings a shadow climbing from bottom up a tall water tower on top of a hill. This makes no sense if the sun's light is some sort of a cone moving away. I also see clouds and airplanes lit from below and the sun and the moon not increasing/decreasing greatly in size during the day/night, and these are just a few things I can see here in my home town.
As you may know, flat Earthers can invoke magic to explain all this, in the form of what they call "perspective", but really should be called "flerspective". Their magical bendy light creates sunsets, shadows, eclipses, and more, in just such a way that the Earth looks like a globe. Almost as though God were messing with our brains. Wouldn't be the first time.
Wow, that is an incredibly poignant argument of why flat earth "science" is really a failure to accept others' past observations. The can of soup analogy, trusting that your smart phone will work, trusting that society (generally) works is so important and hits home. I normally don't take the effort to comment on videos but for this excellent, excellent video I'm making an exception. Well done!!!
@@kfm908 you can't prove a preconceived conclusion, by attempting to prove something else isn't the case. Instead, you should first accept you don't know, and then try to discover the truth...until then, you don't know. E.g. Let's say I have the preconceived notion that if a bag of bananas doesn't have 5 bananas, the only other possible logical conclusion is that that small bag has 900 trillion bananas. No other possibilities could possibly exist. Only my preconceived conclusion of 900 trillion bananas is the default alternative. So all I have to do to prove my theory, is prove there aren't 5 bananas in the bag, and then I've automatically proved there are 900 trillion bananes in the bag. This is obviously not logical, all I've done is discover I don't know how many banana's are in the bag, apart from the fact that it's definitely not 5.
I taught University Earth Science every semester for 30 years. 60 times I went step-by-step through the evidence for Plate Tectonics. Each time it still gave me chills. It was beautiful in its conclusions and as an example of the scientific method. The students really liked it too rather than merely being taught that the plates move.
@@napoleonbonapathy6943 No, no you're not what you claim to be. If you are then show me you flying a plane and doing your job as an aerospace engineer.
My own experience tells me, by watching ships sail over the horizon, by driving towards the mountains and watching how they also look small then taller and taller as we go over the curvature of the earth and get closer to them. And looking at the other planets and a simple understanding of gravity tells me that we are on a globe.
You're confusing Perspective watching Ships disappear. It's just mans limited vision over distances.The Water is always level and the Sun doesn't rise or Set.The Sun is always level when it comes into view.It travels parallel to the Flat Earth until it is no longer visible to the human eye.Globeheads call that Sunset.Wrong!
Take a high-zoom camera and what do you know... that ship that appeared to have gone over a curve can be zoomed right back into plain view. Tried, tested and demonstrated many times over and is an indisputable fact.
I am really impressed about the objective method Sabine is tackling this phenomenon of flat-earthers and the way she is presenting us an even deeper insight of why some people are thinking these strange ways: actually it is all about missing trust... Thank you very much!
I would argue that she didn't use an objective method,on the contrary,it was very subjective. She put herself in the mindset of a flat earther and understood how they feel about science. She did explain it objectively though, so her reasoning can be seen by everyone else.
Yes, missing trust, and that's pretty reasonble these days towards politics, but in many cases also towards science in general; but also missing good education. Most of them probably also did not have the chance to travel around the world. How can we tell someone to recalculate the movements of the planets if they have no handle on geometry?
@@chaukeedaar You don't need to be fairly confident the earth isn't flat (I'm not sure if you meant to imply that it not). Just watch a ship vanish bottom-up over the horizon. There are innumerable pieces of evidence because the earth is pretty ubiquitous as far as things go. ;) How would this work on flat earth? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave How would pilots navigate? What moves a compass needle? It goes on and on ... Then, of course, there's the fact that a flat earth map does not exist--flat maps are all projections!
Well, actually Sabine , like most physicians, deliberately always likes to pick out the 'flat Earthers society' from the more serious critics of mainstream science. Why? Well, by making flat Earthers Movement appear more widespread or influential than they really are, mainstream science is generalizing all opposition to mainstream science to be equally dumb as this somewhat slightly retarded Kumbaya bunch. It kind of makes maintream sceintists look real smart (which they are in comparison) and moves attention way from the problametic, flawed and at sometime ridiculous theories, mainstream science has developed on their own over the years...
You make some excellent and refreshingly thoughtful points. Your perspective of openness and non adversarial resolve are the stuff of a healthy humanity. I'm glad I discovered your channel today, and look forward to exploring your library.
It is 100% wrong to dismiss the earth is a globe just because you can't perceive it as such. To believe that only you are the arbiter of truth is 100% nonsense. If I had to rely on a random person on the street to understand calculus without me explaining it to them, NOTHING on this planet would ever get accomplished! Everyone would have to derive EVERY scientific discovery for themselves before they could work on anything new.
I feel flat earthers fall into two camps. 1)those with prominent online followings/UA-cam channels who occupy a niche, cynically peddling content to an audience ready to passionately consume it. 2)their audience, made up of individuals who for one reason or another feels society has rejected them or lied to them; and so now, they completely reject society and view everything that is mainstream common belief/knowledge as just another lie they are now too wise to fall for. It gives them a feeling of superiority and power. They aren’t “conspiracy theorists”, as they rarely if ever articulate a “theory” of their own to go with the conspiracy. They like it vague, they don’t want answers, they only want to make all of reality, history, etc as confused and uncertain as they are. They aren’t “conspiracy theorists”; they are, for lack of a better term, “conspiracists”. And by that I mean “conspiracy and nihilism taken on as a worldview and religion”. They will latch on to anything and nothing at all as long as it means rejecting mainstream beliefs. The earth is flat, the pyramids were power plants, the sphinx is 50,000 years old, Atlantis was an advanced global civilization, mudfloods, the moon landing was faked, on and on..
I approve of your tactic of not simply dismissing the other perspective. But instead humoring it and allowing it to attempt to stand on its own. Socrates would be proud
She never brought up the most relevant FE points.No rebuttal.Shes Old School and only exists to calm down wishywashy Ballers what they want to believe.Swallowing other people's ideas instead of actually researching on their own ,comforts Lazy Globeheads.
I've found, when teaching a subject, it helps to have an extensive number of ways to explain the same concept. Re-Teach the subject until they GET IT. I love the job you're doing.
Of course you probably include participation in relevant experiments as part of your teaching. Regarding the Earth's shape, a good one is the worldwide Eratosthenes project, in which schools participate each year on the equinoxes.
@@yannickduchene305 The JWSTelescope is proving Physics wrong.Scientist need to start over with new information and dump what they thought they knew.Sad!.
I will say one thing Sabine - you hit the nail on the head. It’s a trust issue. If you cannot trust the methods, foundations, sources, or agendas… everything else crumbles.
@@ThatBillmanGuy do they? I’m not a flat earther honestly so I’m not sure where the foundation of their thinking lies…. But for the ones that I’ve met that seem really hardcore about it, it’s more driven by biblical interpretation than UA-cam videos. There are also those that aren’t religious however, and in those cases I’ve noticed just a general mistrust in NASA as the motivating factor. I ponder the flat earth thing a lot, I would like to pick their brains a little more … it seems so strange that anyone would believe something like that in this day and age… and yet we have entire “societies” dedicated to the premise, and what seems to be a growing sentiment that what we’ve been taught to be scientific “facts” are often times rooted in problematic theories. The line between theory and truth has been extremely blurred by the scientific community… but maybe another ten years of modifying string theory will bring us all the answers to the universe we’ve been seeking . I won’t hold my breath 😂
@@yvesandrethevenot3489hi there. It is a kind of philosophical issue. I assume you are aware of Plato's cave analogy. If one person saw the truth, that doesn't mean others would be willing because it would rattle their whole upbringing, their attitude towards living and slings them into an identity crisis. Dismissing them makes the matters worse.
@@heybro345 you: "Plato's cave analogy" The Plato's analogy only apply partially to the anti-science flat-earthism cult. In Plato's analogy the people in the cave can't see the real world, they have no access to any information outside the cave, they have no way to compare different "science". This is false for modern open societies. Furthermore most the flat-earth propaganda is top-down where dishonest people are spreading willfully false information through social media and other sources. The people in the cave are honestly convinced of their own "truth" because they can see directly the evidence. They don't know the evidence is limited by their physical situation.
You can bend a spoon easily by dipping it in a glass of water. Unfortunately you have to keep it there (and refill the glass periodically) or it will become straight again. :)
@@_IronLion_ There is no bend, the bend is an allusion... Likewisely, the sky also is not bent toward one side like it should be if Earth was a disk and you looked up from a place significantly distant from the center of that disk...
Like religion. a lot of things are fake news. we have the right to be skeptical of the form of where we live. btw we see one side of the moon. allways one side.
@@averagesauceenjoyer7209 yes- just the one side of the Moon & it is Very Active!! Bruce Sees All (his channel is all telescope mirrors for watching the Moon and he finds Amazing stuff!!) Looks like a space port with a war going on. So much activity and buildings IF U KNOW where to look........ I've heard stories about the dark side... not sure what it's like now, if the stories were true....
When I was 9, my neighbour helped me calculate the circumference of the earth, from measuring shadows cast from a stick. If a 9 year old with a stick can work it out, these adult flerfs really should have figured it out by now...
Indeed. When I was ten, my father built an equatorial sundial with my brother and me, and explained how it worked. That alone was enough to prevent me from ever becoming a flat Earther.
Circumference of Earth is proven wrong on the average persons daily commute to work. Do the Math. Look into the distance, and notice how nothing is leaning backwards even at 100 miles etc. You apparently enjoy living in your comfortable lie or are just lacking intelligence. Not to be offensive. I presume you also wear a mask and think Covid 19 Sars 2 Cov is a real threat....
@@salesmcsaleson9285 How many sundials have you built? An equatorial sundial shows that the Sun apparently moves across the sky at 15 degrees an hour, no matter the time of day or year, no matter where you are on Earth. That shows that the Sun must be very distant, not the nearby Sun demanded by flat Earthers, which would move faster when overhead than when near the horizon, thus rendering the sundial useless. And how far back should buildings be leaning at a given distance, if the Earth is a globe? it's easy to do in your head: the circumference of the Earth is about 25,000 miles. Divide that by 360 degrees and you get about 70 miles per degree around the globe. Thus, a building 70 miles away- which would only be visible with a telescope under exceptional conditions- will be leaning away from you about a degree, which you would not be able to see or even detect with instruments, unless you had a laser interferometer or something. Any questions? Cheers from overcast Vienna, Scott
@@salesmcsaleson9285 well no actually, because I live in South Australia and we have no lockdowns or mask mandates. We’re clean and socially responsible round these parts. As far as your ‘evidence’ for a flat earth, you make the classic mistake of thinking the earth is way smaller than what it actually is. It is ludicrous to think you could see a building leaning noticeably from the curvature of the earth. The earth is so massive, it is effectively flat. Just because you can’t grasp this concept, doesn’t make it false. There is such a preponderance of evidence for the globe earth, and has been for millennia, that in order to deny that evidence you have to be wilfully ignorant, not just stupid. Best of luck...
Wow. I grew completely bored about the flat earther bashing videos and never got around to watching your video on the subject - and you actually communicated an important both practical and philosophical point of view in it I haven't seen anyone else make. So better late than never I guess, for me to watch this awesome video.
I really feel you about getting bored. It would seem that as a lover of truth and science those videos ridiculing flat earthers would be entertaining but the truth is many of the people rebuking or debating them are disappointing in their behaviour and approach. They often seem bitter and ego driven and it is rare to see any real respectful interaction between participants. This kind of non-antagonistic approach is refreshing and ultimately more valuable and effective I think.
@@BlueZirnitra To be fair, Flat Earthers are extremely antagonistic. They come from a position that society at large doesn't accept, and they feel like an oppressed minority that has a right to get angry and combative to defend their beliefs. My personal reaction is that they scare me. If we ever plunge back into a middle age, it'll be partially because beliefs like this will have spread among the dissatisfied and the persecuted that are seeking vindication.
"It's increasingly important that scientists provide evidence for how science works, so that people who cannot follow the research itself, can instead rely on evidence that the system provides correct and useful descriptions of nature." - That is just perfection.
@@worldaswar3784 No, it means that IF scientists provide evidence for HOW science works, than you can rely on the information that the system (the scientific system, the system that generates the evidence) provides, because even the people that can't or won't follow the actual research, still understand and trust it, as they understand HOW the system operates, as in "they understand the scientific process".
@@worldaswar3784 So, if you have an explanation on how something works, and you understand and can fact-check if the "how" works as described, the sub sequential trust in the information that comes out of that "how" is blind faith? I thought the blind faith was the acceptance of something without any evidence.
@@worldaswar3784 if you don't believe in what you have been told then you can not live in society and their progress. When you get sick do you go to the doctor?? Do you take the prescribed pills? You can't possibly know all of the information a doctor has, you can not fact check all of the science behind your everyday experiences. The cars you use, the electric energy you use everyday , etc are the result of science advances. And there is no better proof that science works than the fact that atomic bombs can be made, computers, smartphones, rockets, huge bridges, etc. You can perceive with your own senses the existence of all that and it is proof that science works.
why insult these people ?. some are friends of mine . whats the point in scoring points ? to feel superior ? we got real problems in this world and flat earthers are not one of them .
@@RocketKirchner - This is the view I'm trying to promote. Insulting or laughing at them is somewhat similar to laughing at handicapped persons; Definitely something you should Not do. Just leave them alone, and if they request assistance, try to assist them. Poor guys, they got trouble enough, living a detached existence .
@@BondiAV - I was not aware of such intense proactive efforts on their part in pushing to promote their disinformation. Perhaps there IS a necessity to oppose them more aggressively. I wish you success.
If a flat earther is confident enough in their theory and energetic enough to create a UA-cam video about it. They should be capable of observing the night sky for a while. For me my senses tells me unequivocally that the earth spins on an axis that I can see is aligned roughly with the North Star and that the stars I see on the horizon change over time and when I go on holiday to the Mediterranean in a totally predictable manner. It’s all there to be seen (sensed), and seeing this for myself has been and continues to be one of the greatest joys of my life. I urge everyone to take time to sense the spherical nature of our planet, for me it is utterly awe inspiring and never gets old.
"flat earthers refuse to decode difficult sensory input". That's the nicest and most academic sounding way to call someone stupid I've ever seen witnessed. I'm baffled. I wouldn't even be mad if somebody said this to me, I'd be fascinated.
"Im a flat-earther and I'm not stupid, I just refuse to decode difficult sensory input like all those freak scientists" Thats an amazing quote that flat earthers should be using, but of course they won't watch this video
Except, that it is not difficult to look out the window of an airliner at cruising altitude and see the curve for yourself. Instead, they make idiotic excuses for it. And believe me, they ARE idiotic.
Try to decode the fact that Cavendish equation and Coulombs are identical bar the constant. (How can you even listen to someone that doesn't even understand the difference between spherical and round?)
@@palomarjack4395 But that's not true, you wouldn't be high enough to see "the curve" in a normal air plain, at least with your naked eyes. I think the Concord had been at an altitude you might be able to see it directly, . I think that's one of the problems: There are many of such claims floating around which are not really true and those "skeptics" use these to convince new victims.
As someone who toyed with this idea back in 2016 I managed to prove the globe using star rotaions, the moon, sunsets and shadows on the equinox. No science or nasa etc required. But as someone trying to share this with the flat earth community I realised the majority of these people are very lonely and have found a community of friends in the flat earth and so it was very difficult to get them to listen. This is becuase anyone who goes against the flat earth is isnstanly shunned and shamed by that community.
Funny that you left out the most obvious way to prove that the earth is a globe. Measured curvature! Kansas is flatter than a pancake and it isn't even the most flat state. Where is all the necessary curvature? Earth is a non-rotating plane.
You make a very, very good point here. It's not about philosophy, nor scientific education, as much as it is about being lonely and in need to feel to be part of a community. Sabine Hossenfelder obviously takes this approach because she's a great scientific communicator, but I actually think these kind of people just need to believe and to feel important, regardless of any kind of rational argument presented to them. In other words, this kind of logical reasoning will not convince any flatearther to rethink their logical approach on the matter, because that's secondary to the fact that they NEED to believe in that.
@@liebebile6515 People believe in flat earth because they are lonely? That is a silly notion. People can be apart of many different communities and organizations to help with loneliness regardless of the beliefs of the community. People like me believe in a flat plain motionless Earth because all evidence points to it and the history of heliocentrism is absolutely absurd.
NASA ~ De Classified Documents Prove " FLAT NON ROTATING EARTH " Physicist, Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D. writes, "furthermore, no experimemt in all physics has ever demonstrated the globe theory, nor demonstrated that the World moves around the sun, or that it rotates on an axis". #1207 entitled Derivation and Definition of a Linear Aircraft Model assumes the Earth is flat and not rotating. Produced in August 1988, the publication details obscure concepts such as "Rotational Acceleration" and "Earth-Relative Velocity. " Or to a layman, how planes lift off, fly over, and land upon the Earth. Immediately following the cover page and index on the very first line Hnder Summary we see this: "This report documents the derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model for a rigid aircraft of constant mass flying over a flat, nonrotating Earth." The very same line appears again in the Introduction (2nd paragraph), and again under Concluding Remarks (Page 30), and finally, on the Report Document Page (Page 102, Section 16). Here is the link to entire report: nasa.gov/ centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H- 99+ A
The world is shaped like the internet to your generation...whatever it tells you. Great thinkers used to live here...zombies took over. You sound like one...
There is a basic distrust in all forms of authority at this point in time. Doctors and scientists are seen by some as just another group of authorities telling you what to do.
And still they use GPS navigation, Internet and electricity, the very things the scientists offer them. Should they rather shun all evil technology and return to the caves?
You can replace "NASA" with "CDC" and "Illuminati" with "Democrats" and you find anti mask arguments are very similar to flat Earth arguments. Some shadowy group is trying to control us.
@Cherry Lane I don't know, some of these flat earth types have put a lot of work into their delusions. So have race supremacists. It may be misdirected but it is work.
Let’s be honest, believing that the earth is flat, is indeed stupid. Excluding all evidence except “personally observed evidence” would leave us with crippled minds. Which is stupid.
@@RealmsandRealms If "space is fake", what's the alternative. and how do you know that? You're a bit late, spamming. It's a dead horse for some time...
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@@RealmsandRealms You didn't answer my question: if "space is fake", what's the alternative and how do you know that? Regarding the flat earth map: how come you can't tell the location of any place on earth, nor the position of anything in the sky at any moment?
This is exactly the right reaction to flat earthers. It is a crisis of trust, and there's simply no way everyone can re-trace all scientific discovery. It is an important question for all scientists to communicate properly to the public. It is also important to carefully respond to bad actors who intentionally disrupt this chain of understanding. Of course the problem is that, from time to time, people in official positions do, in fact, betray trust and make errors. But even here, we know this because of evidence we can see. We have to embrace the demonstration of error as a positive. What would really be a problem is if errors were never dealt with.
Really good example is the way things are explained in popular science today. We hear comments such as "believe in the science" as though it's like a modern day version of theology. There is barely any genuine effort put to actually get the point across to regular folk.
This is exactly the problem that came to my mind. Flat Earth advocates had no audience until science in the public sphere clearly became corrupted by political interests. If scientists are frustrated by the lack of trust present in groups like Flat Earthers they have only themselves to blame. I say this as a person certain Flat Earth ideas are ridiculous: stop allowing scientific interests to be even remotely influenced by political interests and trust from the general public will once again be restored.
empiricism is observation. all these guys demand is their own empiricism. and not the concentration of observation tools and methodes in the hands of the few. A bit like the god with privately inspiring only some people. It end with people have different results. Or force themselves into cohersion to agree on one thing.
@@Robert08010 What's terrifying is that you don't know how long you had this quarter behind your ear before this magician took it! An who put it here?!
Some flat Earthers claim it's a Satanic conspiracy to discredit the Bible and Christianity with it. Somehow. Others claim it's a fraud by NASA for tax funds. Without being laughed at by other countries. Others claim it's to hide rich land beyond the Antarctic ice wall so governments can exploit it themselves. Without lots of people.
A lot of Flat Earthers don't believe Earth is accelerating, but instead believe what we perceive as gravity is actually due to buoyancy, ignoring that gravity is necessary for buoyancy.
I love these explanations, not so much about the flat earth part per se, but the philosophical aspects described about science itself and the role of scientists having to make science tangible again.
She missreresting flat earth. If you look for a curve you can't find it. If you try and detect motion you can't sense it. If you look at the pictures you'd think there made by Hollywood. Oh wait they are. There is no proof that the earth is a ball. Everything you have is theory and then you want to debunk our theory with your theory. Its completely different. First understand your theory.
Agreed. Most of the quantum physics videos uploaded on youtube are quite handwavey with large gaps where the explanations should be. And with some science videos on youtube, some of the people uploading don't even understand the physics themselves. Because of this, whenever I upload a video I make sure to have at least have a decent understanding of most of the physics in the video. Also, I must admit, many years ago I got in a debate with a flat earther. I tried to prove the earth was round, but the flat earther was so persuasive, and had so many convincing arguments, that I started to wonder if it was actually round or flat. Of course the next day I came to my senses and realized a strong argument of why the earth cannot be flat. Anyway, back to quantum physics. What fatigues me about quantum physics education is that there is so little visual proof of subatomic particles in motion, electron behavoir and quarks, that it seems a lot of it is based on conjecture. I like working with stuff I can see.
What an interesting presentation, Sabine. I worked as a NP in Health Care and had to come up with many ways to explain complex topics to some of my patients. It can be frustrating, but when you get the job done, it is quite rewarding. I am a lifelong learner who also enjoyed physics and cosmology, reading books by Carl Sagan, Timothy Ferris, and others. It is refreshing to hear how you approach this subject, and it is actually as amusing as it is intellectual. You have a very unique way of presenting your ideas, and I can see that you are concerned about scientific matters and decided to do something about it. Great job - will keep an eye on your channel for more interesting content. Best Regards. Gary
@@shereef3823 That's intersting! I googled Carl Sagan and distorting the truth and all I could find is a theistis (christians, muslims and some hindus) complaining about how Sagan in their view lied about their gods and holy texts. Carl Sagan was a prominent atheist, so it's no wonder that people with a different ideology don't like what he had to say about the supernatural. Is that what you are refering to? If not, please help me find articles or books of Sagan distorting the truth about scientific matters. I would like to read up on that.
@@uzul42 well, you made my point when you first commented that you 'googled' Carl Sagan. I would like to tell you how much knowledge a person acquires from ...LIVING. I am 65 years old, been watching the world since I was born...watching the WORLD since I was 5...I observed President Kennedy shot ...in Dallas...in his motorcade, by the CIA in this USA. And, the films were ALL the same...maybe a few different angles. I have visited Dallas subsequently, and heard 'many' of the 'hypothesis'. I've ...like you...watched documentaries and Movies on the sudbject...and I will tell you it was a CIA plot...with George H.W. Bush making a name for himself. B$ he was appointed head of the CIA. Living can teach us MUCH, if we LOOK! Or, you can 'google' and you will get any number of 'lies'. Don't believe WIKIPEDIA either! Created and run by another of Klaus Schwabs graduates from his 'school of Globalism!'
@@uzul42 Of course that is ALL you found! What I am saying...Sagan was an Athiest...he was their 'model' for the type of world they wanted everyone to believe in...Godless! He played the role, and was probably paid well for it.
i really appreciate the spirit of this video, as when approaching radical ideas its always important to give understanding before judging. unfortunately though, flat earthers are a particularly ignorant bunch. i’m sure there are a handful of them who are genuinely interested in the shape of the earth, and are simply misinformed about science and history, but if you’ve ever had the displeasure of interacting with these people, you know most of them are just not equipped to understand what they’re talking about, so they lash out at the people and organizations that do. the vast majority are fuelled entirely by youtube conspiracy theories and a chronic distrust of scientific authority, a strange mindset that probably shouldn’t be given any leeway in the modern age of science and reason.
There is a new documentary about flat earthers on netflix that is really revealing. They mainly follow "Mark Seargant". At one point, you see a community get-together ("flat earth conference") and one of the speakers actually spells out one of the main reasons to join this community: it gives purpose. As a flat earther (or any conspiracy advocat for that matter), in a society of wealth and no real threats to survival, some people cannot deal with more complex goals or purposes--so they create new goals and purposes and assign themselves the roles of heralds and martyrs. This is not an epistemological problem as Sabine suggests--its a socio-phsycological problem.
I agree that it's about trust, or lack of it. But at the same time they have enormous trust in the governments ability to keep such a huge conspiracy hidden.
I think it's more of an enormous trust in other people being more studid/sheepish/ignorant than themselves. The "Truth" is out there but others are just "not willing/able" to see it. Plus a whole lot of other reasons. A scientific approach to understanding the mind of flatearthers or other conspiracy theorists is as difficult as any scientific topic. Glad this video tries to do this.
It goes beyond that though. I recently saw a video where this woman was saying that she and her husband would scoff at flat-Earthers, only to start "researching" themselves and finally arriving at the conclusion that the evidence IS there and the Earth is flat after all. I don't know what evidence she's referring to, but lots of flat-Earthers do actually claim there is evidence; to them, it is not just a matter of distrust in the government.
“The government is hiding space aliens!” The level of ignorance, as Sabine mentions, went to crazy levels with the advent of social media. Allows the popularity of Donald Trump as well.
Yeah because government and media aint in cahoots anyway? Do you really think a wshitleblower with enough evidence that would take out the Government and Media (Flat Earth, 9/11, Moonlandings, etc..) would be allowed to give such evidence on the same media outlets that collude w Government? No well informed person would trust what they are being told about this by Government or "science".... btw most "science" is educational brainwash and entereteinment brainwashing headed by the Rockerfellers... the ones that benefit the most from this delusion... also the ones that fund free education and many universities and think tanks. They take some real science but use that to confuse you w formulas and numbers.... if the stars were as far as they claim then guess what? u couldnt see the ones u see w the naked eye... they are simply too far and your eyes shouldnt be able to see them at all, the moon is way too bright to be reflecting light from the sun... science says that. You ever see the sun and moon out at the same time and notice the shadow on the moon is wrong? is not at the angle the sun/earth should be at to get the shade you see.... this happens many times in a year... impossible on a Globe. Maybe those that give education benefit from this lie? oh yes they do... but you trust their theories because they paste them in all their movies and series... and then groupthink dynamics take over. Is Flat and I distrust those "officials" saying is a Globe w every cell in my body as they have sooooo much to benefit from this lie and because their lie has led us to world wars, hunger and so much suffering.
That's the thing that puzzles me about anti-science conspiracy theorists. They have little trust in or respect for the abilities of scientists and most science-based professionals. They actively subscribe to the idea that scientists are absent minded, socially unskilled, impractical dorks with tons of theoretical knowledge but little wisdom or common sense. Yet they believe scientists are organized, socially skilled, and clever enough to concoct these elaborate hoaxes about the shape of the planet/evolution/vaccination/climate change/Covid-19 etc. (presumably to keep themselves funded and employed), and to successfully bamboozle the masses with them.
Except that it's guarded by thousands of UN (?) ships preventing anyone from seeing the ice wall. Although how flat heads know that there is an ice wall when no-one has see it or visited Antarctica is a bit disingenuous.
The secret world organization are wasting BILLIONS, time and effort to prevent them from reveal something that no reason to be concealed because in no way it will change the world power game.
this video goes way beyond explaining flat earthers... i started watching thinking this would be pretty dumb. but i actually learned alot about myself and will definitely be proactively trying to be aware of this going forward!
At 35, I just finished my MSc in maths. I know how it feels to go back to education after a decade or so break - good luck. (And most importantly, have fun with it.)
@Hell N Degenerates But.. what is reality? Will you interpret it in the same way i do? Or will we both be using scientific methods and language, in order to reach consensus about the reality of things? Maybe education could help in that regard.
This is a deep comment. In fact it may be the fact you are right. String theory ... or how to stupidly waste precious brain time of very clever peoples.
@@rclrd1: if you want to be sarcastic, fair enough. But actually, epistemoligically, no, they're completely different problems. Flat earth is an unjustified mistrust in how knowledge gets transmitted within a society, while string theory is a legit piece of theoretical work that (for various sociological and technological reasons) is just... taking forever to get to verifiable predictions.
@@rv706 actually we don't know that. It's an interesting piece of work, that a lot of people believe is what you say. There is however no concrete proof of what you say. As such it's arguably an irrational belief.
Thank you for the clear and articulate talk, this serves as an example of how we should communicate with each other. I feel like you got to the root of the issue without resorting to degrading comments which do nothing to educate, and server only to fuel disagreement and hinder logical debate.
Logical debate with most globers is impossible. You believe in cartoons we want empirical evidence. You believe to clowns like this naza puppy. We look for experiments.
This is so satisfying! I am 16 years old and i watch your videos along with self-educating to achieve my dream of one day becoming a good physicist, you are one of my biggest inspiration!
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Elijah Castle No one is freezing the view count of your playlists sir, no one is actually interested in them, i did read your comment fully, yet i never had the slightest thought of opening the links, flat earth is done. I don’t even know how you people think, physicists out here built physics from the ground up, they dug all the way to the fundamental laws of nature till things started not even making sense to our primitive human minds, but we are trying, but you people out here with your « gravity is fake » WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT? Physics is interconnected, it’s whole model, every step of it required sleepless nights for some genius and hundreds of experiments, physics is not HYPOTHETICAL, scientists didn’t just say « oh gravity exists and here are the equations » EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DERIVED YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT Now go read a book, i don’t think that you’re smart though, but atleast try, and when you come back but you still have the same views, we would have an excuse for calling you a fucking moron.
@@jthepickle7 Good lord, please do not ever advocate dropping out of school to teenagers. What a malicious and ignorant thing to do. Whether you're happy about your decision or not is immaterial to the growth, maturity and education of children. Jesus.
That was amazing. Clear, factual, compassionate to those who grew up without a lot of intellectual stimulation. I’ve known a lot of these people, seen them figure out complex problems, but aren’t starting with enough of the building blocks of science to know what to believe and what not to and how to figure that out.
As a once die hard bio-Chem and fraternity member who knows the lie this is so stupid first off the moon couldn’t not rotate nor be it’s size if gravity and the math was right it’s sick to me to watch this put out to deceive the lesser educated how about mass and gravity for physics u said and u promise right ?u worked for nasa ?founded by nazis and gee here is u pushing untestable theories why calling theory ludicrous, van Allen radiation belts??? These just don’t exist anymore?? Fools and liars pushing new world science that was re-written and you can’t land on a holographic projection even if u could get through the radiation lol hell is waiting for u deceivers I’m so glad I was smarter than they wanted and grandpa raised me a man and strong morals I left them when I knew my salary and job was deceiving the lower classes of man they said we was special blew our egos up 6 figure start out the gate no matter the field if kappa alpha picked u and u we’re alumni of the order u would have the class of the elite only ur soul was wanted in return
@@JoshTsukayama The part where you let vicious socialist criminals take over your country, kill all the people who own businesses or are clergy and then enslave all the workers for decades so that this socialist criminal elite can become filthy rich. Seriously. There's a century of this sort of thing and how it works, yet there are still incredibly idiotic people who are still confused by the concept - or unscrupulous pig people who pretend to be, because they think they are going to be part of that criminal socialist elite. At least flat earthers are relatively harmless.
@@DrCruel i get your point, but i think it's unfair to conflate corruption within socialism with socialism itself. otherwise you could look at zimbabwe and say the same thing about capitalism/democracy.
If you take a time lapse photo of the sky in the northern and southern hemispheres you get a pretty good impression to prove the earth is a ball. You will see two rotational centers, and you will see that you see different stars in the different hemispheres. This is something you can just look at with your own eyes. No need to trust science to observe this.
The flerfs (flat earthers) say that those are lights being projected on the dome that we live under. They will argue that that is proof that the Earth is flat. Those people do not accept reason and have no common sense it is pretty sad when you watch most of the flat earther videos and arguments.
This kinda gets in the way of the philosophy to which they ascribe, as Sabine eluded to. Many of them don't have the needed funds to travel across the equator to perform the observation. And for them to believe it as fact they would seem to want/need to make the experiment them selves.
@@katanasteel I am sure they could all chip in to send a courier to make the experiments. After all, they do trust each other, otherwise they would not get anything from watching each others videos. Most flat earthers I have seen are flat earthers because they think it confirm some literal interpretation of the bible somehow.
@@bearofthunder sorry to say... even when some of them pooled funds to aquire an optical ring laser gyroscope to try and prove that the earth upon which they stood/stand wasn't moving... they somehow failed... or calls the guy out to be a faker, because the experiment when performed correlated exactly with the earth spinning 360 degrees per 24 hours or 15 degrees per hour
This is a most beautifully constructed and reasoned presentation of the topic in a way that I hadn't considered - empathy. How powerful it is to consider that their trajectory of thought does coincide with science from hundreds of years ago, and if they had the time to themselves recreate all the experiments, learnings and improvement of centuries then, eventually, they'd catch up to our current level of capability. I love the example of evidence for being able to use something like a tin can of soup isn't that we had to have direct control/witness of the steps ourselves, but that we have evidence of the controls that are in place (such as standards, legal systems, punitive responses) that are valid evidence when we aren't able to be the direct witness ourselves. You've inspired me to think about Flat Earthers in a whole new way that offers respect for their "verify" thought process without buying into the incorrect conclusions they've come to. If the whole human race could learn from your immaculately considered empathy, so much hate, violence, and war could be avoided. Thankyou!
flattards are willfully ignorant. they will reject anything that contradicts their lies and ignorance. they can watch a sunrise and sunset and lie to you and themselves about what causes it.
The problem that a lot of us fight with is the fact that we are being deceived at the most quintessential level in almost every aspect of our lives from the authorities who have violated every anti-trust law there is. The authorities mock us boldly and it is an absolute abomination. Psychiatric science is all based on grand illusion. They have been using AI and satellite based technology/weaponry have been deployed to control our lives in so many ways that it is a literal outrage. The field of medicine, history, space exploration are a complete illusion. The whitehouse is a charade. People are realizing that most of our perceptions that have been established by “the establishment” is founded on an unbelievable amount of lies. With out opening up Pandora’s box I can say with 100% certainty that almost every aspect of our lives is controlled and most of our knowledge is based on grand illusion. As hard as it is to believe almost everything we have been taught is a lie. That being said true scientific process can reveal certain truths that would otherwise be hidden as well. So knowing this to be the truth I can fully understand how people who realize our blight would have no issue with disputing what we were taught by the totalitarian programming institution we all recognize as the public schooling system. I have indisputable proof of everything I claim to be lies taught by the authorities in our current system. It was all put in place by the people who control our centralized banking system. If you wish to have a respectful informative conversation dm me or respond to my post. It seems this post has a lot of intelligent people on it. We face an enemy today like no other that has ever existed in the fact that they have the technology to honestly establish world domination. Sounds a little like “dominion” right. I know there will be those who are fervent in their dispute regarding the thought if our great nation bring insidiously destroyed from with in, however it has happened. And I can explain how and I can expose a lot of the illusions. Ultimately you will have to choose to listen. The truth does not care about your beliefs.
"The more difficult scientific experiments and arguments are to follow for non experts, the more care we must take to explain how we lead those arguments"
but the explanation needn't be difficult. If they believe in a spotlight sun, then how does it rise and set? Same for the moon. Simple geometry dictates the sun would never be below 30degrees above the horizon for any spot on the planet.
@@timq6224 what are the forces that sustained sun (and moon) in their spot lights positions? Why they move in circles? They cannot explain.. There are no mathematical models for that.
I am an aerospace engineer and private pilot supporting the fact the earth is flat and stationary. Education is indoctrination. Big bang, evolution, relativity, gravity theories are all lies designed to sell the fake spinning, moving globe to the masses. Hollywood is a great keyboard on which the government can play. It is also a mighty wand from which spells are broadcast. ‘Govern mental’ literally means ‘mind control.’ Universities kill diversity. Attitudes, behaviors, thoughts, mannerisms, memes are mass controlled through the broadcast. Simultaneous levels and layers of programming are being broadcast into the population telling them who to worship, inverting right and wrong, true and false, displacing reality to replace it with a virtual and alternate reality as far as the mind of the population can be manipulated, which is very far. People are extremely malleable. Children are even more impressionable. Einstein meant it when he said that imagination is more important than knowledge. He wanted for us to stay asleep in the imaginary, inverted world that they created for us; some call it the matrix, others call it the zeitgeist, this erroneous perception of our world and universe. Yet this perception is part of the collective consciousness that was put together through the broadcasting of spells. As long as whatever inhabits the mind of the population is imaginary and detached from reality then the controllers have nothing to fear as far their control system goes. From birth, the population is tuned in to the wavelengths the authors of the system (i.e. the authorities) broadcast from their Hollywood wands. As the RHCP once said, space may be the final frontier but it's made in Hollywood basement. Only by awareness of this manipulation can you resist the big inversion. They live, while we sleep. Food for thought. Bon apathy.
Janusha there is more to science than just pure scientific research and theory. Communication as philosophy are deeply important. You don’t do science in a vacuum. The aim is to understand the natural “world”, which humans and society is very much a part of. I feel maybe you didn’t quite follow the messaging in this video?
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The flat earthers I have discussed this with are not looking for truth they are looking for proof of their theory. Just observing a sunrise or sunset is enough to disprove their model, let alone a lunar eclipse.
Yeah they are only searching for confirmation bias. They never once think if their ideas are stupid, but rather why hasn’t anyone taken a deeper look into their ideas as if they amounted to anything. Often they’ll focus on the details of arguing, such as fallacies, gaslighting, straw man, etc. and use that as a way to disprove anything you say. They aren’t looking for the truth, but rather to feel smart when we all know they actually aren’t.
@@JoeARedHawk275 Flat earth, being just another pseudo-religion, is just another example of a much larger problem: The need Mankind has to belong to a group, a tribe, or a sect. Religion is just the biggest example. While no evidence exists to prove the existence of a supreme being, hordes of people flock to the several religions of the world. And the entire concept of a supreme being means they can´t all be right. By that fact alone one should doubt the entire premise, but we don´t. So why do we join them? We do it to belong. To be a part of something. And logic reasoning falls behind to that need. I am thoroughly convinced that most people don´t really believe in a god. They just don´t want to abandon the comfort of belonging to something, or face the ridicule and ostracism that they would be faced with, should they voice their real subconscious opinion. And we have proof of this. If religious folk really believed in god, and resurrection, no one would be afraid of dying. And yet we are, fiercely. We spend humongous amounts of money and time to stave off death. And that is perhaps the greatest proof, that deep down people don´t believe they will resurrect to another life.
@@Biden_is_demented Could possibly be a God, though. Personally, I believe God made the Big Bang and guided humanity through evolution. Religion doesn't always have to be at odds with science and common sense, I say.
@@delaney6413 God is a construct of the human mind. A believer will always struggle to comprehend or acknowledge the evidence in contrary, no matter how powerful they may be. It´s something ingrained deep in out psyche. Just like a flat earther, you can take one up to the edge of space, and he still won´t believe it. Because believing would shatter his sense of belonging to his group. And as social beings that we are, the drive to stay tied to one´s group is so strong, that we are willing to go against our own reasoning, and even our own senses. That´s why it is a fruitless effort to try to convince anyone, of anything.
Im in Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA and on a ball earth the moon follows the equator never leaving the equator fact------------- but the moon at some stage is directly overhead of Adelaide at mignight neither east or west and neither north or south straight above now that would mean that Adelaide is directly below the moon on the equator which is north of Australia north of Adelaide ==================GET YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT because ADELAIDE CAN NEVER BE ON THE EQUATOR we are ckoser to the south pole it could only happen on a flat earth
I think the important question to ask these people isn’t “how” but “why?”. Why would the whole world agree that the world is actually round despite it apparently being flat? What purpose does it actually serve in the greater scheme of things
The answer I've heard a couple of times: it's a lie perpetuated by godless elites, the UN, diabolic freemasons and/or Zionists to make us disbelieve in the christian god's design. The obvious next question is again, why? Best not to ask, you'll end up in a brain rotting rabbit hole which permanently harms your faith in humankind.
Ya know, when she said that flat earthers “rely on their senses”, something clicked with me. She’s right, flat earthers always say “I can’t feel the earth move, therefore it’s not spinning” or, “I don’t see a curve, therefore it’s flat”. Well, according to them, we must first rely on our senses, and that begs the question. To someone who is blind, is there such a thing as light? To someone who is deaf, is there such a thing called sound?
A lot of people apparently dont have internal dialogue. Ive always wondered if there is a correlation of lack of internal dialogue / minds eye and this mode of (non)reasoning.
I can see the curve when I lie down and the sun sets, and when I get up the sun is brought up into view. I can also see the shape of the Earth during a lunar eclipse, it's always round.
@@SoftBreadSoft That's interesting. I do have an internal dialogue, but I find it difficult not to vocalise it. (Yes, I talk to myself - so sue me!) I'm not a round earth denier in any way, but I am a bit pedantic about it being an oblate spheroid.
hi , im a 10 year old and i have watched every single of your videos they are lovely
as my interest in heavenly and interstellar bodies i love to hear you talking about so much of information
thx a lot for sharing all this knowledge
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It would have been awesome to have sabine's videos when I was a kid, I used to read the same astronomy book over and over, it was my only sceintific knowledge source.
I’m 33, with a BS biology & PharmD.
Also watched every video and learn something new each time.
Danke schön Dr. Hossenfelder
You are doing right by yourself and your peers on earth to be learning so much! 34 y/o stranger very proud and impressed by your statement.
Your vocabulary is really good for a 10 year old.
dude, Moon is flat!
Question everything...but be prepared to accept the answers.
@Flat Eric Because that's how knowledge works.
@Flat Eric OK...I missed that!
Yes even if the answers are assumptions, non-scientific, misrepresentation
@@handtech3423 Of course not. That's what you have a brain for, to sift through the rubbish and come to a conclusion.
What conclusion did you come too. A pressurized ball next to a vacuum spinning and we came from monkeys.
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"To me, therefore, flat earthers, are a warning sign that scientists should take seriously. The more difficult scientific experiments and arguments are to follow for non-experts, the more care we must take to explain how we lead those arguments."
That's an incredibly well put conclusion.
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I tried it myself, and sure enough - hilarious 😅
Unfortunately, Google have since de-ranked their preferred top result. Still pretty funny.
yea its an interesting dichotomy. To a layman like me I often find scientific topics over my head to fuel my sense of wonder and curiosity, whereas other's view the same with skepticism or even fall back on supernatural explanations which - to me - seem even more implausible..
The hard part is scientists would have to take into account the varying degree of intelligence of the audience and perhaps more frustrating, their degree of accepting evidence disproving their personal thoughts or feelings. For flat earthers, a lot of them just don’t want to believe anything coming from any government agency or religious entity.
@@fredman1085 I agree, that's the challenge, a challenge which could have been lessened or avoided if the education systems were improved. Obviously there is many factors involved in why so many people today seem to doubt many established truths despite not being able to understand the evidence.
The Earth has NO curvature.
CONVEX EARTH THE DOCUMENTARY
CONVEX EARTH TECHNICAL DATA
(Convex Earth - youtube chanel)
Someone once said that: “If the earth was flat then cats would have pushed everything off by now”
They do anything for a bit of attention don't they!
My cat tries to act seductive to get attention but now it just hides in the cupboard since my father pushed his powerful stem right in its little brown button
And somebody else said: Risus abundat in ores stultorum.
@@cabbagefart7432 To which I reply. respondeat superior. And since you are not one. You should learn to listen meus puer discipulus. I'll take it, you have no explanation or understanding of the standard model. IT is always a bore to see claims made that never have any scientific bases. Be advised young one I have no such shortcomings. What would you like to learn?
it's flat all right the horizon is at least 5 times further out than it should be . the horizon test is the test for flat earth and the globe fails badly every time . the horizon does not move from its position , which is at least 20 miles away , to where it should be which is 3 and a half miles if you're 8 feet above the ocean . no curvature to the ocean - flat
Ex flat earther here. For some like myself It's lack of knowledge, lack of understanding, thinking you know something you don't for example how the physics would be when it isn't. For example...we rotating 1000mph at the equator... no that's tangential speed and we don't feel speed (when you mention the higher speeds for eg going around the sun etc then they think we should feel the movement...
Some are honestly lost especially the newcomers... those who have been in it for years and had things explained and demonstrated many times and many different ways are just liars, trolls and grifters, possibly some with biases and cognitive dissonance they can't or won't overcome or even realise they have. I realised my lack of knowledge and understanding and biases and cognitive dissonance and along with the help of others and chatgpt and fixed it.
There's also those who look up to some as idols and want to impress them and so will not disagree with them in the slightest and stay stuck in fe.
Oh and one more thing attacking flat earthers name calling etc doesn't help it only puts the walls/defences up more.
The problem is that even being nice to flatters doesn't matter - they just "fake", "CGI" and "perspective" whenever they are at a loss for words. It's been my experience that flatters here just like being anti-, i think it finally gives them a sense of "smartness".
Thanks, Rachie. Having been active in this debate for over 10 years, I know that all too many debunkers have become so emotionally invested in their mantra of "FEs are irremediably inferior to us 'smart people' and will never reach a level where they can be reasoned with", that they (such debunkers) would prefer not to be told of ex-FEs like yourself.
But for the benefit of debunkers who want to be more effective, could you give us a few example of people and resources who were most helpful to you?
@@JimSmithInChiapas : How about flat earthers at least attempt to do research into their claims about their own model? That is, without just making stuff up or complaining about why should be expected to prove anything.
@@kitcanyon658 I can't control what FEs do, so I'm asking what *_we_* can do. Starting with listening to ex-FEs like Rachie.
@@kitcanyon658No...the flat earthers are biased lot.They are very dangerous people because they just assumed on what they see only...seeing in believing is their motto.
Zeteticism: A spoon is cut while half submerged in a glass of water and is rejoint when you take it out.
An apt allusion.
Look, look, water on the desert! What do you mean by 'mirage' - I SEE water!
Lmfao, exactly.
"There is no spoon"😌
No it actually just bends 🤷😏😝
Rather then being entirely dismissive, you make an effort to understand people’s thinking, even if they’re wrong. You’re respect toward others is admirable, you educate rather then insult - insults only hardens people’s hearts and minds.
This is why i like her videos, it's not what you think!
Wish I could like this twice.
Surely after all this time we must have reliable photo images of earth from far out it space. If not, then I suppose flat earthers have a good case that there is a conspiracy going on.😮
@@doranmcferran9663
The science of Earth is called Geodesy, Earth has been measured and is not flat.
Any alternative idea about Earth must:
1) provide argument and evidence what Geodesy does wrong
2) provide better models than Geodesy/Astronomy models which is very hard since the current scientific models are very good at explaining all related natural phenomena
When and how can the earth (it's really big) be measured?
“no one cared…… he died.” omg sabine is peak german humor.
totally agree! The first couple videos i thought she was dry and humorless; didn't like the videos much. Then it struck me, she's actually quite the comedian, just *incredibly* dry and wry. I love it.
Hillary Clinton would be proud.
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10:55 The “it is not” caught me off guard it was so funny
I appreciate how you treat people with respect and do not just dismiss people as being stupid. You are a great educator and truly care about helping people understand science.
Albert Einstein said that human stupidity is infinite. When you consider him living during the time of 2 world wars, his comment is understandable.
it's just a show, she is deceiving you
Another example is Susan Blackmore, who writes critically but sympathetically about those who've had anomalous experiences that they interpret in nonscientific ways.
in regards to theory of relativity, albert einstein also claimed that gravity is a "Scheinkraft" (which is german for "it appears to be a force of its own when it's not") so why do you quote these people if you have no idea about them or physics... that's exactly the stupidity Einstein was referring to. @@bobs182
But, flat earthers ARE stupid... 😆
There are flat-earthers who sell the t-shirts and the others that buy them.
Lol
Well said
There is no business like flat earth business.😂✌️
Good for them.
Flat earthers don’t sell the shirts, someone just saw a way to make easy money
When I was 5 years old, my father looked enormous, When I was 18, he was 2 inches shorter than me. Therefore he gradually shrank over 13 years. Of course, it also meant that the shelf I could never reach gradually moved down the wall until I could reach it, my clothes grew smaller as time went on... and, well round about my mid-teens, my senses adjusted so that I seemed to get bulkier and stronger as I played rugby and cricket and ran cross-country, but obviously this was a myth. All the people around me just got frailer and weaker, the furniture shrank, as did streetlights, buildings and animals.
It's the only thing that makes sense, since I am the centre of the universe, and the essential founder of reality.
I am simply a bot to make your existence more real.
I am honored as a bot to meet the actual real individual!
Now to pretend to do stuff to make your existence feel more real
This is probably the best example I've seen of this philosophy taken to its obvious conclusions.
@@sacr3 hello fellow bot. I agree we should make our founder of reality feel comfortable with us. So we need to act like similar to him
@@DarkyBoy hello other fellow bot, my shrinking device is not working, May I request an update as my communication to the hive mind is also broken.
@@someotherworldlybeing3167 request accepted meetup at the base in at 10 lunar time
Well, I'm 71 and I have only watched a few of your videos so far, but I love the fact that you've shown me that I am still capable of learning - and enjoying it. Thanks again, Sabine.
I am an aerospace engineer and private pilot supporting the fact the earth is flat and stationary. Education is indoctrination. Big bang, evolution, relativity, gravity theories are all lies designed to sell the fake spinning, moving globe to the masses.
Hollywood is a great keyboard on which the government can play. It is also a mighty wand from which spells are broadcast.
‘Govern mental’ literally means ‘mind control.’ Universities kill diversity.
Attitudes, behaviors, thoughts, mannerisms, memes are mass controlled through the broadcast.
Simultaneous levels and layers of programming are being broadcast into the population telling them who to worship, inverting right and wrong, true and false, displacing reality to replace it with a virtual and alternate reality as far as the mind of the population can be manipulated, which is very far.
People are extremely malleable. Children are even more impressionable.
Einstein meant it when he said that imagination is more important than knowledge. He wanted for us to stay asleep in the imaginary, inverted world that they created for us; some call it the matrix, others call it the zeitgeist, this erroneous perception of our world and universe. Yet this perception is part of the collective consciousness that was put together through the broadcasting of spells. As long as whatever inhabits the mind of the population is imaginary and detached from reality then the controllers have nothing to fear as far their control system goes.
From birth, the population is tuned in to the wavelengths the authors of the system (i.e. the authorities) broadcast from their Hollywood wands. As the RHCP once said, space may be the final frontier but it's made in Hollywood basement. Only by awareness of this manipulation can you resist the big inversion.
They live, while we sleep. Food for thought. Bon apathy.
☝️An aerospace engineer that denies the physics one needs to have knowledge of in order to be a successful aerospace engineer.
You cannot make this stuff up. 🤣
i'm 60yo but still curios
@@marindancirco6498 I'm 72 now, and the only thing I'm curious about here is how some people can still maintain that they believe that the Earth is flat. It defies logic. They're either liars, deluded, or mentally deranged.
@@napoleonbonapathy6943 Your world view is dark and sinister. Keep it to yourself.
Well put ma'am!! You are absolutely brilliant! Thank you for your time in putting this video together! Thank you for having the ability to articulate, communicating, in a brilliant, fair, reasonable, explanation of the flat earthers, and how they are most likely thinking.
In my opinion, this "trust"-problem is not only true for scientific topics, but also many other things in our society. We get so specialised that there will be a point where you have to rely on another person. This doesn't mean you should trust them blindly - but if you want to check everything yourself, right down to the basics, it would be a never ending story.
Absolutely. One thing I've started understanding as I went through college is how almost everyone could help me my freshmen year, and now my teachers struggle to help with some of their own assignments.
Another thing has been the realization that there are people a lot smarter than me, but due to our different fields, I know a lot more about my own field than they would ever care to know...but they still think they can do it better than me than I can. I have no doubts that they could if they put the same time I did, but they invested their time somewhere else, and there just isn't enough time in a single lifetime for anyone to be good at everything.
It's okay to be good at one thing, just as long as you have others to trust to be good at their thing
Amen
Absolutely true. When it comes to simple things like the Earth being round, that's easy to verify. Launch a drone, send it way up.
It becomes more difficult when there's a global pandemic and a small group of people tell you to put something in your blood that they won't tell you what it is. Distrust arises. =\
Google and UA-cam are one sided on FE Videos.Only Debunkers of FE are allowed on their pages.Monopolize your brain with Scientific Speculation designed for low IQ's.
@@JoshuaMartinez-ml5hl Donald Trump...exception to your rule.
This is the most polite and conscientious response to the flat earthers I have ever seen. Bravo. You are truly an excellent science communicator and go to great lengths to respect your audience and potential audience.
look behind the mask !
Very well said!
@@JohnWatsonFlatEarth It is you, it is I
Absolutely agree 👍
If only the respect was reciprocated.
What a fantastic way to look at it, and these ideas. Much respect. We could all use a bit of this toward those who don't think the same as we do.
Beautifully clear and well communicated viewpoint - a far better rebuttal of flat earthers than the 'Hey everyone, let's laugh at these idiots' stance that many out there take. Thank you for taking the time and effort!
You know that laughing at idiots is a time honoured tradition?
@@dirkardostevergreen4827 Be that as it may, I was thanking Sabine for making the effort to educate rather than mock.
Many you say? Shirley you jest!
Woah Max, didn't expect to see you! Patreon subscriber here :D
I believe all the FE/Globe stuff all started with genuine people seeking truth and rebutting flawed logic. But FE died a few years ago. Now all that is left are people making money on FE, people making money making fun of FE, and poor misguided souls who get caught up one way or the other in the money making machine. The biggest names on both sides spend a lot of time rebutting each other in an attempt to dive viewers to each others channels. They often guest star on each others channels to 'debate'. Its just a pointless exercise that will continue as long as there is money to be made. FE stars of today cannot admit they were wrong because its their job.
A calm and precise rebuttal without mocking-- that signifies the quality of a well-established scientist. Great talk!
Unfortunately, it will do absolutely nothing to some Flat Earthers who aren't looking for reason.
Anything against their philosophy is fake news regardless of how much sense it makes.
Would be interesting if she would address climategate. She'd lose half her viewers and her job, though.
@@psychohist I'd say her thoughts on the topic were sufficiently expressed here though: ua-cam.com/video/-fkCo_trbT8/v-deo.html
Also, I'd say you're overstating the importance of the topic. The thing in question pretty much mostly concerns people who are trying to prove a point by any means necessary (a.k.a. conspiracy theorists) and some people who are genuinely interested in the topic but don't understand the subject material enough to be able to decipher it. The latter are probably the majority of the people, but I'd say the vast majority of them has no strong feelings on the topic so I really would not expect many unsubscribes either way, but at the same time, she is a German scientist, working for a German private-public institute called Frankfurt Institute for Advanced Studies. They do not deal with climate science so I highly doubt they would even care about her videos at all, let alone would they believe it somehow impacts on her work which is in a totally different area in the first place.
@@manofculture8666 so what? who cares?
@@shellderp When we live in a world where kids believe the Earth is flat, we'll care lol. Their community is growing.
"..they refuse to decode difficult sensory input." I guess we have different definitions of stupid.
Stupid is a too much broad term. It's more a trust issue. Mixed with narcissim and a little paranoia.
@Vinnie P Imagine you have trust issues so big that you literally don't believe anything and anybody except what you see with your own eyes. Imagine how that can affect your beliefs.
The problem with flat earthers (and in common with other conspiracy theorists) is not that they believe in a flat Earth, the real problem is that they honestly believe that billions of people are trying to fool them.
@Vinnie P And the giant-wall-of-ice theory is "stupid" because why?
Is the giant-wall-of-ice theory really an inherent part of every flat-earth theory? I am aware of two such theories (thus they are contradictory, of course). I don't see why an ice wall would be necessary "so we can't fall off"
I'm fine for flat-earthers or any human beings being stupid because they can learn someday. But being delusional or constantly paranoid, you need medical attention.
@NexusGen Inc. I agree, but i think that condition is closer to narcissism than to megalomania.
Narcissists only know two subjects: themselves and the world. They have a tough time imagining how other people interact without him. For them, two people conspiring and two million people conspiring is all the same.
Of course, it's much possible to be a narcissist AND a megalomaniacal.
So well presented-like all of your videos. Appreciate your effort to make science understandable for most of us.
It is very refreshing to see someone refuting flat earthers in a non condesending manner. Great work!
I don't think that's the correct spelling of condescending
it's very condescending and most of it is not even true. No modern FErs believe the earth is accelerating up. The number of FErs in the would is more like 10 million than 10k. This is very slick propaganda and written by a team of people.
They should be ridiculed and laughed at btw..
When that happens let us know.
@@dusermiginte4647 they shouldn't. At least they show that they think even if their thought process is wrong.
I love it how an actual scientist isn't just about mocking people that are wrong. We need more people like you.
it really doesn’t matter how you address individuals who aren’t listening. Flerfers are the child with his fingers in his ears tongue out
@Captain Bruh exactly. Mockery can be properly used as a catalyst to help them change and see the errors in their thinking when they reject all evidence and fail to listen. Satire can often be an example.
@@AlanHowellphotovideo No, mockery just makes people angry and redoubles their determination to stand up to the mockers. Sabine has the right idea. Engage with people respectfully and show them why they are wrong.
coddling the idiots is why why are going through this now...
@@bxdanny actually no, when you show respect to someone who is wrong, you engender confidence in their beliefs. When they seek out like minded idiots, you have lost the battle completely. I have watched Hitchens lovingly explain to religious people exactly where they are wrong, and those same people then return to their own and publicly berate him.
I bought a shovel and am going to build a duplicate of the LHC in my backyard so I can check their findings with my own senses.
Ha :)
It won't be your own senses but the detectors data. Nobody ever seen atoms, least subatomics particules. In fact nobody ever seen anything except photons scatered by objects colliding with retina cells. Wait we don't see photons but our brain only construct an internal model of objects from retina excitation from photons colliding with retina cells. And so on ...
@@GonogoBonobo and that model is accurate and enough. definitely don't need ugly xray or gamma or radiowave senses...and those excitations count as seeing with our senses...
@@oakpope , This is my point, what does it means "to see" or any other sense. We never know the reality, but only know the experience of it. What we can reality is in fact only a construct of the mind.
correction: What we call reality is in fact only a construct of the mind.
Such a great video ❤ I love the meticulous approach while keeping things simple 👍
A friend of mine blew my mind a few years ago when he announced that he was 20% open to the idea of Hollow Earth and about 5% open to the idea of Flat Earth. Now, this guy has always have a bit of a conspiracy theory bent to him, but he's NOT dumb. He's an electrical engineer and very smart. Like Sabine said, it's not driven by stupidity.
I think like any group there's a diversity of motivations, but for him and those like him. I think there's a dopamine hit that comes from feeling like you know something other people don't. When presented with an argument that human wisdom is wrong, his mind WANTS to believe because of how cool it would be to be among those who 'find the truth'. And as any con man or psychic will tell you, the easiest people to fool are the ones who WANT to be fooled.
I tried debunking the hollow earth claims via an email...that I learned he never read. I rebutted some of his flat earth claims in person...but they didn't really take. He seemed to have second thoughts when I told him that the classical greeks knew the earth was round and described the experiment they used to measure how big it was and that they came shockingly close for how imprecise their tools were. But that quickly faded and had no lasting impression. It was confirmation bias in action. He couldn't let go of that belief that maybe, JUST MAYBE....everything we know is wrong. And how cool that would be to discover.
no electrical engineer that isn't suffering significant mental problems could ever fall for flattardia. flat earth arguments are something that no intelligent, educated person could ever fall for.
@@johnqpublic7608 But see, that's exactly the conclusion that is easy to jump to that Sabine was cautioning against. And I would have been right there with you...until my friend 'came out' to me on the topic. I promise you, he IS a smart guy, and if you met him, I promise you would agree. He's worked on some pretty interesting contracts and projects too over the years.
I'm not denying that SOME flat earthers are just in it because they're dim, or others because they think it supports their religious views...but those aren't this guy. I think it's an example that just because someone is smart, doesn't mean they aren't vulnerable to the biases and emotionally driven responses that can cloud everyone's thinking. Being smart doesn't mean you always reach the correct conclusions, and not everyone who reaches correct conclusions is smart.
@@brianmulholland2467 No, he's not a smart guy. He's broken inside, severely.
@@brianmulholland2467 I'm in a similar boat as your friend in regards to Hollow Earth Theory, but for me it's more a thought experiment than a belief. I have similar feelings about other 'alternate explanation' theories. For example, I don't actually believe Noah's Ark or the Garden of Eden are anything more than religious fairy tales, but I still entertain thoughts about the 'Mars Eden' and 'Noah's Ark Spaceship' theories.
Some other theories I like thinking about are the idea that dragons depicted in medieval art might have been some smaller dinosaurs that could have survived the meteor that killed them off only to be hunted to extinction by knights in the name of glory (there are historical records that talk about dragons as if they were real- sometimes going as far as to discuss their anatomy-and some depictions are no bigger than large dogs) and the idea that there might have been other inteligent species that evolved alongside humans only to be hunted down because they were different (because of how the 'uncanny valley' makes some people feel uneasy, and because I think it sounds like something humans would do).
If you held a gun to my head and asked if I could provide concrete evidence for any of these things, I would say of course not- they're just fun to think about sometimes.
Fire dragons were recent inspirations by Medieval Jews, Christians, and Muslims view on hell creatures. Dragon of ancient folk tales in Africa, Eastern Asia, Australia, and the Americas all depict snakes that cause rain and live in rivers. You are insightful in recognizing Medieval knights needing heroic stories 😂
I think the treatment of "science" in the media hurts here, too. Too often, the view we have is of countless surprising outlier study results that are sensational enough to warrant speculative reporting. This food is bad for you. That one weird trick will make you live longer. This gives the distorted view that science is just smart people reporting new discoveries. When lots of those astounding reports are later contradicted, it looks like evidence that science doesn't work, when really it's just evidence that a single data point isn't sufficient for full understanding.
This so much. The media is... awful. They often report things like "Fuel cells/solar cells/super batteries/super capacitors are coming next year with this new technology." And while that new technology MAY exist, it's likely impossible to commercialize or would be so expensive as to not be economically viable. People have to accept that the world runs on money, and if something is too expensive to produce, the general public won't fund it/buy it. Of course science has technologies that could and would produce cleaner energy. But these technologies were produced using the most expensive materials and most expensive techniques. Often precious metals make up significant parts of batteries/other energy producing technologies that scientists study. I can't produce a battery that's 25% gold by weight and expect the public to pay a premium to use it when they can go to their local wal-mart and buy a normal battery, with likely half the capacity, for 1/1000ths of the cost. Science is burdened with the job of producing something CHEAPER than we currently have. And since things typically get cheaper the more they're used, fossil fuels are SO... UNGODLY CHEAP right now. (I'm using energy as an example, but the same idea applies everywhere.)
Basically, the media is constantly undermining science even when they're trying to be useful. Furthermore, the media OFTEN misrepresents scientific publications because the media articles are written by idiots who have no idea what they're talking about, so they'll cherry pick a sentence and then say "this is what this entire paper is about." When in reality the scientific author was using that sentence as an example of something completely different. I've seen it happen more times than I can count.
Yeah, take something like global warming. If you only learn about global warming from the media and build what they say in to a scientific hypothesis then it's incredibly easy to pick apart and disprove as a hoax even if you lack a university education. Meanwhile if you take the actual science instead of the medias portray of it it's so far impossible to disprove. The fundamental problem is that you need at least 5 years of university studies (or more) to accurately understand all the science behind it to the point where you're capable of "making up your own mind" fairly. You need to learn everything from fluid dynamics and complex system analysis to quantum mechanics to be able to really understand every different part of it and how all of it interacts. But climate change as portrayed by the media? Well disproving that would make for a nice elementary school research project.
Here's a report that will not be "later contradicted." Water finds level. Level is a *_plane._* Earth is established on the *_same_* plane as water, a fluid, settled into a calm flat surface in a basin; i.e. a swimming pool for example. Basin size does *NOT* change water's nature to rest calm with it's surface a perfect plane once settled into a basin of *_any_* given size.
@@earth.is.a.plane. No. Just... no. Water does not find a "level". Water finds its place equidistant from the center of the mass that the water is attracted to (aka elevation). The ocean is not level. It is simply equidistant from the center of the earth. You're confusing "level" with "elevation." Over a sufficiently short distance, this will appear to be on the same plane. It is, however, not. I just don't... get it. Flat earthers can see and agree that the other planets/moons in our solar system are spherical. Including moons that have oceans of liquid on them, yet they dispute that oceans can exist on a sphere, yet they can... see... them. Oh of course that's assuming they don't think that space is all a conspiracy theory perpetuated by all of the governments of the world for... some... unknown.... purpose.
So... Their argument goes basically like this...
"You can't accept science saying the world is round just because someone tells you it is. You have to go out and see it for yourself. The only evidence you can believe is what you yourself see."
Where did you get that idea?
"Saw it On UA-cam."
"The only evidence you can believe is what you yourself see": well, they do not see the sun coming up very tiny at the dawn, increasing in size until noon and then shrunking back to a point at sunset, like it should necessarily be the case if Earth was a flat disk and a smaller sun orbited over it like they claim! If their senses are showing them that, then I suggest that they stop eating allucinogenic mushrooms with a expired date or that they go and search for more pure weed or lsd, for their dope then seems to be toxic garbage... lol
If you go too far with it i think is just solipsistic. And dangerously close to psychosis..although psychosis is due to biological or trauma-related illness not just stupidity.
And yes, this video did not convince me any more that its not stupidity. Its a better debunk as its a full understanding.
Like, i get trusting only your own senses but they think seeing the moon in the day as if that has been a hidden fact is evidence.
If they do not understand the round earth model, or gravity they cannot 'debunk' it.
So for that inconsistency i would say sabine is being unusually kind for some weird reason. She absolutely rips very sensible deductive hypothesis...
@@jorgepeterbarton Go and take a flight with a plane, - aaand you will see for yourself!!! 10 km up, you can clearly see that earth is not flat!!
@@konradbentgislason3835 and you too have eyes! to read the comment you are replying to before clicking enter! LMAO
Dude.. try and think for yourself for once..
Many of us are fascinated with flat earthers.
Flat earth is dumb as rocks, but flat earthers are fascinating.
stereóma: a solid body, a support, strength, firmness.
or firmament over the FLAT earth
@@007ullrich Why do you put it in capital letters? Do you think someone will miss that word when reading the sentence, or are you just yelling the word "FLAT!!!"?
Post any Earth Curvature either by Land or Sea.FE'ers are spot on.Water doesn't cling to a 1000 mph spinning ball.
@ronpapi9539 imagine a tiny toy car. Its wheels would need to complete a ridiculous number of rotations to get thousands of miles per hour.
Now blow that up to a wheel the size of earth. It competes only 1/24th of a rotation by the time that little wheel on the toy car completes hundreds of thousands of rotations.
It's not a ball that's spinning at ridiculous rates. It's a slow rate of rotation, just on an extremely large scale.
Besides that, just the idea that we're on a floating disc is silly. If it's all free falling, or accelerating upwards, or however you'd like to think of it-- how would you account for everything in the heavens to be moving around both in their orbits that we see, but also somehow staying along with our trajectory? What I mean is, why would there be stars or planets or anything? Why wouldn't it all have fallen out of view by now? Did something just smack everything simultaneously with a paddle, then give every heavenly body a different spin and arbitrarily assigned orbits?
And why would all the different bodies maintain the same constant velocity? How would rockets or planes even work? How would we have air? It's all just a little silly. If flat earth requires empirical evidence, then the only world that could be believed in would be the bits that my person has personally seen. I would have to believe that you don't really exist, because I'd never met you, the place you live couldn't possibly be real, etc. etc.
Just-- Mercury, or even Venus-- that's one you can actually see with your eyes-- how, without evoking gravity-- does it orbit the sun, but also the sun is just moving around above a disc-- but also everything is moving relative to a disc at a constant velocity-- it just doesn't make sense at all. I have never seen anything behave like that ever...
Like... Last example... I can soak a basketball, bounce it to you with a spin on it, and you'd catch a wet basketball. If I threw a flat disc at you, and somehow made it fly perfectly oriented vertically in your direction-- the water would fall off almost completely. Think of a windshield in the rain. The rain doesn't just puddle up and stay there. It slips off the windshield.
It just seems like a bigger task to try and figure out how to make the flat earth model fit with reality than it does to fit the current scientific model. The science works, it's observable, the maths aren't just this Charlie Day conspiracy theorists evidence board that only make sense to a special group of people-- they are things that any person can actually put to the test on their own and can be applied to all sorts of things in the physical world. All of the products of modern technology are the result of the same physics that we used to prove the earth is a spheroid.
@@tykinn
imagine accents in new yoke...i do.
still flat , never will be otherwise, but wise I will remain , here's the truth in front of you and yet you deny.
There rapidly comes a point where you save whom you can , and allow the storm to take the remaining.
Galatians 5:1
“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.”
Being targeted is an honor, it tells me I'm over the target and striking darts and arrows.
I often ponder the possibility that humanity could be stuck in a perpetual Stone Age if not for language and it’s capacity to store and accumulate knowledge. We would then have to learn everything on our own as she says.
The other side of the coin for language is the effect that once ideas are written and labeled "God words" there will be people taking those written words as actually spoken by a God.
And doesn't help the fact Gods never recorded any word since the invention of recorded sound...
Uh, yep.
This absolutely true. What people do best is learn from each other.
Fun Fact: One of the earliest written records we have is instructions on how to domesticate horses. If language were never invented, horse domestication would have likely never been able to be learned and reproduced, eventually dying out with whatever generation didn't learn it or pass it on.
@@ethanpschwartz Well no the generation would pass sit on to the next as practice or orally, as they did before writing was invented. Then another generation would probably discover it again.
It would depend on how useful it was. Practices that don't get used are forgotten, and much of the knowledge that goes with them.
Schrödinger’s Canned Soup - it is simultaneously edible and inedible at the same time.
I like it!
- Too bad the video is old and Sabine won't see this. Really funny, dude 😄
What about Schrödinger’s cat food?
@@oldmusician5236 Ah, yes! The canned food that cats both like and dislike.
@@KeepingOnTheWatch Yes. I stole your idea, but refined it so that it relates to cats. You get the real credit.
“Few people cared - he died in 1971” omg, that cracked me up 😂. I’m a 47 year old with just a High School Diploma but I continue to learn from you Sabine. Your awesome!
Scientific channels on UA-cam do not beat a degree, but they sure can entertain one's curiosity.
The amount of sarcasm in her comments are hilarious, she's basically giving the finger to these people, hahaha.
@@Fabelaz I'm not sure what having a degree has to do with anything. People have degrees but still believe in flat earth so ...
@@jamesn7305 what I meant is having a higher education is better than getting small snippets of information on same topic from youtube videos as former is more complete. My statement wasn't about flat earth, but I doubt anyone with higher education diploma (a real one) in physics-related area can believe in flat earth.
Hopefully, you can find a UA-cam video to continue to learn English grammar.
Excellent argument for effective educational programs (like this one 🤓). Thank you, Sabine! 🙏
Here in Brazil, a group of flat-earthers held a laser and mirror experiment and accidentally disproved the flat Earth. Yes, they refuted themselves.
maybe they were globers acting flat
Good
Have you seen the GoFast rocket launch? ua-cam.com/video/001IXnp0ogc/v-deo.html. It goes 73 miles up and suddenly and at the same time you here a THUD it goes from spinning fast to slow. As it spins, slow it down and you will see the moon which looks TINY from that distance. Ask yourself, why/how could the moon look so tiny from 73 miles up. You can see in the video the launch is around mid day. They published the date of the launch.
So the look up where the moon was at that day and apx. time..... OVER INDONESIA!
Sorry, that is CHECKMATE! NOT ONLY is it impossible to see the moon over Indonesia from 73 miles over NV on a ball earth on that documented day/time but it ALSO explains why the moon is SO SMALL and far away! --- AND there is NO OTHER EXPLANATION for the moon looking so small (and far away!) If the earth is an 8k dia. ball, Indonesia is directly on the opposite side of the ball from NV..... sorry chump.
Did they then change their minds ? Or did they just come up with some post hoc reason why their experiment didn't _really_ provide evidence for a globe Earth ?
Because that's the difference between _actual_ rational skepticism and merely propagating pseudo-scientific conspiracy theories - the former follows the evidence.
Lol 🤣 groups here in the US have done the same. Check out the documentary Behind the Curve, they disprove their theory several times then refute the results. Cheers!
This is billowing my mind. I think a humble yet unanimously vital point is this: if one wants to communicate, which is arguably so much important in societies, he or she needs to take scientifically inconsistent but partially rational arguments seriously. Scientific education should strive to reveal a healthy attitude and how to take sciences “scientifically”. You are a true communicator.
You are talking about good pedagogy. But flat-earthers have another problem, besides their "partially rational arguments", their lack of scientific education, and their intellectual limits. They don't want to learn about reality.
For obvious psychological reasons. Arguing with a flat-earther is a real challenge. If you succeed, you totally destroy his universe, the spine which sustained his whole life. To replace it by what ? The awareness of his emptiness ?
thank you. I have no doubt about my education, and life's experience's. My father was an airline pilot, i was privvy to many jet excursions...more proof of a circular Earth!
She sounded uneducated in the hood
Interesting comment...why do you say that?
@@shereef3823 Who are you talking to ? Is it Lisa ? By the way, spherical would be better than circular. Flerfs never could measure their pizza, that should have alarmed them !
This is incredibly well put! Instantly subscribed. I think this issue of rejecting evidence for illogical reasons has been really growing in recent years, especially in the US. I think many of these points could be used even outside of arguments regarding the shape of the earth.
The woman in this video has obviously never tried to explain a spherical earth to a flat earther.
In the US the rejection of science has obviously become a part of rightwing doctrine. Less obvious, yet nonetheless true is the rejection of science and rational thought in the far left. I am convinced that both are simply opposite sides of the same coin. Unfortunately I doubt that rational argument is of any use.
US has well known education problems and science rejection cases for political reasons.
You know the phrase "I'm not an american" means "I'm not extremely stupid to be unable to understand a simple thing".
No Common Sense.
I've never understood the argument: "Your senses tell you the Earth is flat." I've seen with my own eyes things that make no sense if the Earth was flat. I see on clear evenings a shadow climbing from bottom up a tall water tower on top of a hill. This makes no sense if the sun's light is some sort of a cone moving away. I also see clouds and airplanes lit from below and the sun and the moon not increasing/decreasing greatly in size during the day/night, and these are just a few things I can see here in my home town.
As you may know, flat Earthers can invoke magic to explain all this, in the form of what they call "perspective", but really should be called "flerspective". Their magical bendy light creates sunsets, shadows, eclipses, and more, in just such a way that the Earth looks like a globe. Almost as though God were messing with our brains. Wouldn't be the first time.
“they refuse to decode difficult sensory input” has to be the most elegant way to call someone stupid.
if it is they would of proofed it by now!!
@@thethinkingman- I can’t tell if you’re joking with that spelling or not
I'll definitely use that in some arguing sometime someday. Sounds so polite...
@@Zenit321 exactly. people dont realise there is 2 sides to the coin so the jury is still out.
@@MrDgf97 they commented again. I dont think they were joking.
Wow, that is an incredibly poignant argument of why flat earth "science" is really a failure to accept others' past observations. The can of soup analogy, trusting that your smart phone will work, trusting that society (generally) works is so important and hits home. I normally don't take the effort to comment on videos but for this excellent, excellent video I'm making an exception. Well done!!!
Wake up!🤦♂️
have you ever tried to prove we live on a flying spinning water covered ball?
@@kfm908 can you prove we’re not?
@@kfm908 I've sailed across the ocean. Done navigation with a sextant, etc. It's definitely round.
@@kfm908 you can't prove a preconceived conclusion, by attempting to prove something else isn't the case.
Instead, you should first accept you don't know, and then try to discover the truth...until then, you don't know.
E.g. Let's say I have the preconceived notion that if a bag of bananas doesn't have 5 bananas, the only other possible logical conclusion is that that small bag has 900 trillion bananas. No other possibilities could possibly exist. Only my preconceived conclusion of 900 trillion bananas is the default alternative.
So all I have to do to prove my theory, is prove there aren't 5 bananas in the bag, and then I've automatically proved there are 900 trillion bananes in the bag.
This is obviously not logical, all I've done is discover I don't know how many banana's are in the bag, apart from the fact that it's definitely not 5.
I taught University Earth Science every semester for 30 years. 60 times I went step-by-step through the evidence for Plate Tectonics. Each time it still gave me chills. It was beautiful in its conclusions and as an example of the scientific method. The students really liked it too rather than merely being taught that the plates move.
@@napoleonbonapathy6943 Are you spamming, really!?
@@MarsStarcruiser Yup and the so-called pilot can't answer basic questions.
@@zed1stwizard I kind of figured😅
@@napoleonbonapathy6943 No, no you're not what you claim to be. If you are then show me you flying a plane and doing your job as an aerospace engineer.
@@napoleonbonapathy6943 🤡
My own experience tells me, by watching ships sail over the horizon, by driving towards the mountains and watching how they also look small then taller and taller as we go over the curvature of the earth and get closer to them. And looking at the other planets and a simple understanding of gravity tells me that we are on a globe.
You're confusing Perspective watching Ships disappear. It's just mans limited vision over distances.The Water is always level and the Sun doesn't rise or Set.The Sun is always level when it comes into view.It travels parallel to the Flat Earth until it is no longer visible to the human eye.Globeheads call that Sunset.Wrong!
@@ronpapi9539Just shut up.
Yes, we all thought exactly like you at one point.
Take a high-zoom camera and what do you know... that ship that appeared to have gone over a curve can be zoomed right back into plain view. Tried, tested and demonstrated many times over and is an indisputable fact.
@@alexc-man7711 Nope. It does not. And it is not.
There's no Top Gear or Grand Tour special about going to the edge of the world. That's pretty good evidence for a round world.
NO edges on our Flat Realm.Its infinitely Flat.
I am really impressed about the objective method Sabine is tackling this phenomenon of flat-earthers and the way she is presenting us an even deeper insight of why some people are thinking these strange ways: actually it is all about missing trust... Thank you very much!
I would argue that she didn't use an objective method,on the contrary,it was very subjective. She put herself in the mindset of a flat earther and understood how they feel about science. She did explain it objectively though, so her reasoning can be seen by everyone else.
Yes, missing trust, and that's pretty reasonble these days towards politics, but in many cases also towards science in general; but also missing good education. Most of them probably also did not have the chance to travel around the world. How can we tell someone to recalculate the movements of the planets if they have no handle on geometry?
@@chaukeedaar good education! Yes, I totally agree!
@@chaukeedaar You don't need to be fairly confident the earth isn't flat (I'm not sure if you meant to imply that it not). Just watch a ship vanish bottom-up over the horizon. There are innumerable pieces of evidence because the earth is pretty ubiquitous as far as things go. ;)
How would this work on flat earth?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave
How would pilots navigate? What moves a compass needle? It goes on and on ... Then, of course, there's the fact that a flat earth map does not exist--flat maps are all projections!
Well, actually Sabine , like most physicians, deliberately always likes to pick out the 'flat Earthers society' from the more serious critics of mainstream science. Why? Well, by making flat Earthers Movement appear more widespread or influential than they really are, mainstream science is generalizing all opposition to mainstream science to be equally dumb as this somewhat slightly retarded Kumbaya bunch. It kind of makes maintream sceintists look real smart (which they are in comparison) and moves attention way from the problametic, flawed and at sometime ridiculous theories, mainstream science has developed on their own over the years...
You make some excellent and refreshingly thoughtful points. Your perspective of openness and non adversarial resolve are the stuff of a healthy humanity. I'm glad I discovered your channel today, and look forward to exploring your library.
It is 100% wrong to dismiss the earth is a globe just because you can't perceive it as such. To believe that only you are the arbiter of truth is 100% nonsense. If I had to rely on a random person on the street to understand calculus without me explaining it to them, NOTHING on this planet would ever get accomplished! Everyone would have to derive EVERY scientific discovery for themselves before they could work on anything new.
"In 1954 Shanton created the flat earth society. Few people cared, he died in 1971." Damn! Shanton must've felt that burn from beyond the grave.
🤣😂😂
That was such a fantastic dismissal 🔥
That was EPIC!!! God I love this woman! 🤣
LOL....one day Sabine Hossenfelder will die, her followers will post eulogies and 2 weeks later they will have forgotten she even existed....
@@davidwest5177 who are you again? Oh, yeah. Nobody.
Thank you! This can apply to much more than flat earthers. Very thought provoking.
My thought exactly! This mindset seems to be a pleague spreading around the world. and not just with flat earthers.
I feel flat earthers fall into two camps.
1)those with prominent online followings/UA-cam channels who occupy a niche, cynically peddling content to an audience ready to passionately consume it.
2)their audience, made up of individuals who for one reason or another feels society has rejected them or lied to them; and so now, they completely reject society and view everything that is mainstream common belief/knowledge as just another lie they are now too wise to fall for. It gives them a feeling of superiority and power. They aren’t “conspiracy theorists”, as they rarely if ever articulate a “theory” of their own to go with the conspiracy. They like it vague, they don’t want answers, they only want to make all of reality, history, etc as confused and uncertain as they are.
They aren’t “conspiracy theorists”; they are, for lack of a better term, “conspiracists”. And by that I mean “conspiracy and nihilism taken on as a worldview and religion”.
They will latch on to anything and nothing at all as long as it means rejecting mainstream beliefs. The earth is flat, the pyramids were power plants, the sphinx is 50,000 years old, Atlantis was an advanced global civilization, mudfloods, the moon landing was faked, on and on..
yes, I'm not a flat earther myself, but I do believe the moon is flat. I'm a flat mooner.
I approve of your tactic of not simply dismissing the other perspective. But instead humoring it and allowing it to attempt to stand on its own. Socrates would be proud
She never brought up the most relevant FE points.No rebuttal.Shes Old School and only exists to calm down wishywashy Ballers what they want to believe.Swallowing other people's ideas instead of actually researching on their own ,comforts Lazy Globeheads.
@@ronpapi9539 K.
@@ronpapi9539 Which are the most relevant FE points ?
@@PeacefulCountryLife The Earth's Stationary and immovable.No Ocean Curvature and unproven Gravity Theory.That's just 4 points out of 200.
@@ronpapi9539 Thank you. Do you have a website / article link were all of these are fully listed and explained?
I've found, when teaching a subject, it helps to have an extensive number of ways to explain the same concept. Re-Teach the subject until they GET IT. I love the job you're doing.
Of course you probably include participation in relevant experiments as part of your teaching. Regarding the Earth's shape, a good one is the worldwide Eratosthenes project, in which schools participate each year on the equinoxes.
You can only teach someone who wishes to learn. Flat Earthers need to believe you're a 'sheep' and they're the actually smart people.
And never forget we do not know everything on everything for sure.
@@JimSmithInChiapas Failed project.
@@yannickduchene305 The JWSTelescope is proving Physics wrong.Scientist need to start over with new information and dump what they thought they knew.Sad!.
if everyone had to build their own computer from scratch before learning anything else about them, none of us would be here right now
I will say one thing Sabine - you hit the nail on the head. It’s a trust issue. If you cannot trust the methods, foundations, sources, or agendas… everything else crumbles.
it's not a trust issue. it's a paranoid delusion issue.
@@johnqpublic7608 potato potáto. Tell that to the paranoidly deluded.
Round earth is a dogma to them. Many things within the scientific community ought to be challenged. A round earth is not one of them.
Which is odd, because they trust the methods, foundations, sources, and agendas of random UA-cam videos and the flat earth society...
@@ThatBillmanGuy do they? I’m not a flat earther honestly so I’m not sure where the foundation of their thinking lies…. But for the ones that I’ve met that seem really hardcore about it, it’s more driven by biblical interpretation than UA-cam videos. There are also those that aren’t religious however, and in those cases I’ve noticed just a general mistrust in NASA as the motivating factor. I ponder the flat earth thing a lot, I would like to pick their brains a little more … it seems so strange that anyone would believe something like that in this day and age… and yet we have entire “societies” dedicated to the premise, and what seems to be a growing sentiment that what we’ve been taught to be scientific “facts” are often times rooted in problematic theories. The line between theory and truth has been extremely blurred by the scientific community… but maybe another ten years of modifying string theory will bring us all the answers to the universe we’ve been seeking . I won’t hold my breath 😂
This is epic. I love that you addressed the underlying philosophical issue rather than only focusing on the factual claims of flat-earthers.
flattards are not swayed by facts.
This is not a philosophical issue. Denying reality is stupid.
@@yvesandrethevenot3489what? Ofc it is. It‘s 100% Philosophy. Go read some Descartes or watch Matrix since u didnt understand it at its core
@@yvesandrethevenot3489hi there. It is a kind of philosophical issue. I assume you are aware of Plato's cave analogy. If one person saw the truth, that doesn't mean others would be willing because it would rattle their whole upbringing, their attitude towards living and slings them into an identity crisis.
Dismissing them makes the matters worse.
@@heybro345
you: "Plato's cave analogy"
The Plato's analogy only apply partially to the anti-science flat-earthism cult.
In Plato's analogy the people in the cave can't see the real world, they have no access to any information outside the cave, they have no way to compare different "science".
This is false for modern open societies.
Furthermore most the flat-earth propaganda is top-down where dishonest people are spreading willfully false information through social media and other sources.
The people in the cave are honestly convinced of their own "truth" because they can see directly the evidence. They don't know the evidence is limited by their physical situation.
old, but still an excellent video. thank you, Sabine!
You can bend a spoon easily by dipping it in a glass of water.
Unfortunately you have to keep it there (and refill the glass periodically) or it will become straight again. :)
You can also bend it with your mind
Good one
Uri Geller wants a word with you.
There is no spoon.
@@_IronLion_ There is no bend, the bend is an allusion... Likewisely, the sky also is not bent toward one side like it should be if Earth was a disk and you looked up from a place significantly distant from the center of that disk...
People steadfastly rejecting evidence that's right in their face? Not limited to flat earthers.
Fake news 😏😋
@@리주민 trusting of all MSM news or some?
Like religion. a lot of things are fake news. we have the right to be skeptical of the form of where we live. btw we see one side of the moon. allways one side.
@@averagesauceenjoyer7209 yes- just the one side of the Moon & it is Very Active!! Bruce Sees All (his channel is all telescope mirrors for watching the Moon and he finds Amazing stuff!!) Looks like a space port with a war going on. So much activity and buildings IF U KNOW where to look........ I've heard stories about the dark side... not sure what it's like now, if the stories were true....
@@bfreeman8786 OMG LOL the creativity of scammers is endless xD
When I was 9, my neighbour helped me calculate the circumference of the earth, from measuring shadows cast from a stick. If a 9 year old with a stick can work it out, these adult flerfs really should have figured it out by now...
Indeed. When I was ten, my father built an equatorial sundial with my brother and me, and explained how it worked. That alone was enough to prevent me from ever becoming a flat Earther.
@@therealzilch Sun dial works on flat Earth. You're welcome.
Circumference of Earth is proven wrong on the average persons daily commute to work. Do the Math. Look into the distance, and notice how nothing is leaning backwards even at 100 miles etc. You apparently enjoy living in your comfortable lie or are just lacking intelligence. Not to be offensive. I presume you also wear a mask and think Covid 19 Sars 2 Cov is a real threat....
@@salesmcsaleson9285 How many sundials have you built? An equatorial sundial shows that the Sun apparently moves across the sky at 15 degrees an hour, no matter the time of day or year, no matter where you are on Earth. That shows that the Sun must be very distant, not the nearby Sun demanded by flat Earthers, which would move faster when overhead than when near the horizon, thus rendering the sundial useless.
And how far back should buildings be leaning at a given distance, if the Earth is a globe? it's easy to do in your head: the circumference of the Earth is about 25,000 miles. Divide that by 360 degrees and you get about 70 miles per degree around the globe. Thus, a building 70 miles away- which would only be visible with a telescope under exceptional conditions- will be leaning away from you about a degree, which you would not be able to see or even detect with instruments, unless you had a laser interferometer or something.
Any questions? Cheers from overcast Vienna, Scott
@@salesmcsaleson9285 well no actually, because I live in South Australia and we have no lockdowns or mask mandates. We’re clean and socially responsible round these parts.
As far as your ‘evidence’ for a flat earth, you make the classic mistake of thinking the earth is way smaller than what it actually is. It is ludicrous to think you could see a building leaning noticeably from the curvature of the earth. The earth is so massive, it is effectively flat. Just because you can’t grasp this concept, doesn’t make it false. There is such a preponderance of evidence for the globe earth, and has been for millennia, that in order to deny that evidence you have to be wilfully ignorant, not just stupid.
Best of luck...
Another really great one from Sabine. Excellent and clear, plus most of the comments are great also. This has given me a better start to my day.
Wow. I grew completely bored about the flat earther bashing videos and never got around to watching your video on the subject - and you actually communicated an important both practical and philosophical point of view in it I haven't seen anyone else make. So better late than never I guess, for me to watch this awesome video.
Good review. One amongst many. I'll watch cause of it.
I really feel you about getting bored. It would seem that as a lover of truth and science those videos ridiculing flat earthers would be entertaining but the truth is many of the people rebuking or debating them are disappointing in their behaviour and approach. They often seem bitter and ego driven and it is rare to see any real respectful interaction between participants. This kind of non-antagonistic approach is refreshing and ultimately more valuable and effective I think.
@@BlueZirnitra To be fair, Flat Earthers are extremely antagonistic. They come from a position that society at large doesn't accept, and they feel like an oppressed minority that has a right to get angry and combative to defend their beliefs. My personal reaction is that they scare me. If we ever plunge back into a middle age, it'll be partially because beliefs like this will have spread among the dissatisfied and the persecuted that are seeking vindication.
"It's increasingly important that scientists provide evidence for how science works, so that people who cannot follow the research itself, can instead rely on evidence that the system provides correct and useful descriptions of nature." - That is just perfection.
This is just an idiotic statement meaning you must follow the info i am given? :D what? :D
@@worldaswar3784 No, it means that IF scientists provide evidence for HOW science works, than you can rely on the information that the system (the scientific system, the system that generates the evidence) provides, because even the people that can't or won't follow the actual research, still understand and trust it, as they understand HOW the system operates, as in "they understand the scientific process".
@@pedrinrj7251 you have just described a Blind FAITH. I believed blindly and was dissappointed. Please. Keep your slave mentality to yourself.
@@worldaswar3784 So, if you have an explanation on how something works, and you understand and can fact-check if the "how" works as described, the sub sequential trust in the information that comes out of that "how" is blind faith?
I thought the blind faith was the acceptance of something without any evidence.
@@worldaswar3784 if you don't believe in what you have been told then you can not live in society and their progress. When you get sick do you go to the doctor?? Do you take the prescribed pills? You can't possibly know all of the information a doctor has, you can not fact check all of the science behind your everyday experiences. The cars you use, the electric energy you use everyday , etc are the result of science advances. And there is no better proof that science works than the fact that atomic bombs can be made, computers, smartphones, rockets, huge bridges, etc. You can perceive with your own senses the existence of all that and it is proof that science works.
"You refuse to decode difficult sensory input" is the best insult I've ever heard.
so cute how the lesser intellectuals who watched this keep commenting how "polite" she was. That is even more hysterical.
why insult these people ?. some are friends of mine . whats the point in scoring points ? to feel superior ? we got real problems in this world and flat earthers are not one of them .
@@RocketKirchner - This is the view I'm trying to promote. Insulting or laughing at them is somewhat similar to laughing at handicapped persons; Definitely something you should Not do. Just leave them alone, and if they request assistance, try to assist them. Poor guys, they got trouble enough, living a detached existence .
@@BondiAV - I was not aware of such intense proactive efforts on their part in pushing to promote their disinformation.
Perhaps there IS a necessity to oppose them more aggressively. I wish you success.
Altough I'm not a flat earther or such ..... I felt that in my DNA.
If a flat earther is confident enough in their theory and energetic enough to create a UA-cam video about it. They should be capable of observing the night sky for a while. For me my senses tells me unequivocally that the earth spins on an axis that I can see is aligned roughly with the North Star and that the stars I see on the horizon change over time and when I go on holiday to the Mediterranean in a totally predictable manner.
It’s all there to be seen (sensed), and seeing this for myself has been and continues to be one of the greatest joys of my life.
I urge everyone to take time to sense the spherical nature of our planet, for me it is utterly awe inspiring and never gets old.
Well said.
This video has renewed my trust in canned food, thank you.
😂😂😂😂
That could be the result of the law of unintended consequences.
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"flat earthers refuse to decode difficult sensory input".
That's the nicest and most academic sounding way to call someone stupid I've ever seen witnessed.
I'm baffled. I wouldn't even be mad if somebody said this to me, I'd be fascinated.
"Im a flat-earther and I'm not stupid, I just refuse to decode difficult sensory input like all those freak scientists"
Thats an amazing quote that flat earthers should be using, but of course they won't watch this video
Except, that it is not difficult to look out the window of an airliner at cruising altitude and see the curve for yourself. Instead, they make idiotic excuses for it. And believe me, they ARE idiotic.
Try to decode the fact that Cavendish equation and Coulombs are identical bar the constant.
(How can you even listen to someone that doesn't even understand the difference between spherical and round?)
@@palomarjack4395 But that's not true, you wouldn't be high enough to see "the curve" in a normal air plain, at least with your naked eyes. I think the Concord had been at an altitude you might be able to see it directly, . I think that's one of the problems: There are many of such claims floating around which are not really true and those "skeptics" use these to convince new victims.
I know right! I'm going to save this one for next time I'm having an argument with someone
As someone who toyed with this idea back in 2016 I managed to prove the globe using star rotaions, the moon, sunsets and shadows on the equinox. No science or nasa etc required. But as someone trying to share this with the flat earth community I realised the majority of these people are very lonely and have found a community of friends in the flat earth and so it was very difficult to get them to listen. This is becuase anyone who goes against the flat earth is isnstanly shunned and shamed by that community.
It makes them feel special.
Funny that you left out the most obvious way to prove that the earth is a globe. Measured curvature! Kansas is flatter than a pancake and it isn't even the most flat state. Where is all the necessary curvature?
Earth is a non-rotating plane.
@@deanmuhl7417 Well I didn't really need to go that much effort to figure it out but that is also an option.
You make a very, very good point here. It's not about philosophy, nor scientific education, as much as it is about being lonely and in need to feel to be part of a community. Sabine Hossenfelder obviously takes this approach because she's a great scientific communicator, but I actually think these kind of people just need to believe and to feel important, regardless of any kind of rational argument presented to them.
In other words, this kind of logical reasoning will not convince any flatearther to rethink their logical approach on the matter, because that's secondary to the fact that they NEED to believe in that.
@@liebebile6515 People believe in flat earth because they are lonely? That is a silly notion. People can be apart of many different communities and organizations to help with loneliness regardless of the beliefs of the community.
People like me believe in a flat plain motionless Earth because all evidence points to it and the history of heliocentrism is absolutely absurd.
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen💯
Really? Did you drop out of school before science class?
@@ryans.7426wow so rude. It’s obviously the first UA-cam video they have ever seen…
You must have only watch about 3 videos
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I live in a steep valley. So the world is rather V-shaped and not flat at all. I always have to go uphill to get anywhere.
When it rains do you live in a swimming pool.?
@@dreamdiction xd
The world is shaped like the internet to your generation...whatever it tells you. Great thinkers used to live here...zombies took over. You sound like one...
@@yestervue4697 "My generation"? I don't think you understood my posting at all.
@@ute.fritzkowski ua-cam.com/video/wEU50wGHOa0/v-deo.html
I don't think anyone ever really grasps mine...
There is a basic distrust in all forms of authority at this point in time. Doctors and scientists are seen by some as just another group of authorities telling you what to do.
And still they use GPS navigation, Internet and electricity, the very things the scientists offer them. Should they rather shun all evil technology and return to the caves?
You can replace "NASA" with "CDC" and "Illuminati" with "Democrats" and you find anti mask arguments are very similar to flat Earth arguments.
Some shadowy group is trying to control us.
@@arctic_haze You expect consistency from hooman beens?
@Cherry Lane I don't know, some of these flat earth types have put a lot of work into their delusions. So have race supremacists. It may be misdirected but it is work.
Who can blame them. Lots of science is bogus or politics at the moment. Not in the "hard" fields but in the "soft" ones.
Let’s be honest, believing that the earth is flat, is indeed stupid. Excluding all evidence except “personally observed evidence” would leave us with crippled minds. Which is stupid.
Thanks for running for president
Haha 😄 🤣 tell the NBA that ..and I bet you couldn't. 😏
My senses tell me they are stupid.
Keep up with all that You do. I love that you did this about flat earth
Earth is flat
@@alanlowey2769 You can't tell the location of any place on earth. ^^
It proves what you are and hasn't much to do with shapes.
@@RealmsandRealms If "space is fake", what's the alternative. and how do you know that?
You're a bit late, spamming. It's a dead horse for some time...
@@manuell3505 Many Maps Are Used in Video's to Demonstrate the Workings of "Flat Earth Realm Models."
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Me Personally... A Closed Stargate Firmament, somewhat like A Particle Accelerator.
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@@RealmsandRealms You didn't answer my question: if "space is fake", what's the alternative and how do you know that?
Regarding the flat earth map: how come you can't tell the location of any place on earth, nor the position of anything in the sky at any moment?
This is exactly the right reaction to flat earthers. It is a crisis of trust, and there's simply no way everyone can re-trace all scientific discovery. It is an important question for all scientists to communicate properly to the public. It is also important to carefully respond to bad actors who intentionally disrupt this chain of understanding.
Of course the problem is that, from time to time, people in official positions do, in fact, betray trust and make errors. But even here, we know this because of evidence we can see. We have to embrace the demonstration of error as a positive. What would really be a problem is if errors were never dealt with.
Very well said!
Really good example is the way things are explained in popular science today. We hear comments such as "believe in the science" as though it's like a modern day version of theology. There is barely any genuine effort put to actually get the point across to regular folk.
Science and scientists are as corrupted as politics and law etc
This is exactly the problem that came to my mind. Flat Earth advocates had no audience until science in the public sphere clearly became corrupted by political interests. If scientists are frustrated by the lack of trust present in groups like Flat Earthers they have only themselves to blame.
I say this as a person certain Flat Earth ideas are ridiculous: stop allowing scientific interests to be even remotely influenced by political interests and trust from the general public will once again be restored.
@@mawnkey "science in the public sphere clearly became corrupted by political interests." Curious what you mean by this? Care to elaborate?
As for relying on your senses only: Any magician who uses sleigh of the hand approves of that approach because human senses are oh so reliable.
I once had a quarter hiding in my ear and didn't know it.
Sleigh of hand, that's no doubt the magic trick that Santa uses to get everyone their presents. Or at least, that's my hypothe-is.
Your argument is so so lame I don't want to answer...
empiricism is observation.
all these guys demand is their own empiricism. and not the concentration of observation tools and methodes in the hands of the few. A bit like the god with privately inspiring only some people. It end with people have different results. Or force themselves into cohersion to agree on one thing.
@@Robert08010 What's terrifying is that you don't know how long you had this quarter behind your ear before this magician took it! An who put it here?!
My only question is what is all the governments of the earth gaining by propagating that the earth is round instead of flat?
The usual answers I've heard are one, for the money- NASA cheaply fakes space and pockets the change; and two, to turn us from God.
Some flat Earthers claim it's a Satanic conspiracy to discredit the Bible and Christianity with it. Somehow. Others claim it's a fraud by NASA for tax funds. Without being laughed at by other countries. Others claim it's to hide rich land beyond the Antarctic ice wall so governments can exploit it themselves. Without lots of people.
A lot of Flat Earthers don't believe Earth is accelerating, but instead believe what we perceive as gravity is actually due to buoyancy, ignoring that gravity is necessary for buoyancy.
Their arguments are less circular than they are, “spherical,” ironically enough. That’s how you get to be a, “global,” movement these days. 🙄
this is a bold faced lie lol
@@bezzyboy6 Really? I've seen them argue it in videos.
Accelerating where?Their is no NSE or West in Space.No up or down. either.See how foolish you Globeheads are.
I love these explanations, not so much about the flat earth part per se, but the philosophical aspects described about science itself and the role of scientists having to make science tangible again.
She missreresting flat earth. If you look for a curve you can't find it. If you try and detect motion you can't sense it. If you look at the pictures you'd think there made by Hollywood. Oh wait they are. There is no proof that the earth is a ball. Everything you have is theory and then you want to debunk our theory with your theory. Its completely different. First understand your theory.
Agreed. Most of the quantum physics videos uploaded on youtube are quite handwavey with large gaps where the explanations should be. And with some science videos on youtube, some of the people uploading don't even understand the physics themselves. Because of this, whenever I upload a video I make sure to have at least have a decent understanding of most of the physics in the video. Also, I must admit, many years ago I got in a debate with a flat earther. I tried to prove the earth was round, but the flat earther was so persuasive, and had so many convincing arguments, that I started to wonder if it was actually round or flat. Of course the next day I came to my senses and realized a strong argument of why the earth cannot be flat. Anyway, back to quantum physics. What fatigues me about quantum physics education is that there is so little visual proof of subatomic particles in motion, electron behavoir and quarks, that it seems a lot of it is based on conjecture. I like working with stuff I can see.
What an interesting presentation, Sabine. I worked as a NP in Health Care and had to come up with many ways to explain complex topics to some of my patients. It can be frustrating, but when you get the job done, it is quite rewarding. I am a lifelong learner who also enjoyed physics and cosmology, reading books by Carl Sagan, Timothy Ferris, and others. It is refreshing to hear how you approach this subject, and it is actually as amusing as it is intellectual. You have a very unique way of presenting your ideas, and I can see that you are concerned about scientific matters and decided to do something about it. Great job - will keep an eye on your channel for more interesting content. Best Regards. Gary
Carl Sagan was another who 'appeared' to truely want to share science, but he was the first of many in astronomy that distorted the truth!
There's nothing scientific about her presentation.
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@@shereef3823 That's intersting! I googled Carl Sagan and distorting the truth and all I could find is a theistis (christians, muslims and some hindus) complaining about how Sagan in their view lied about their gods and holy texts. Carl Sagan was a prominent atheist, so it's no wonder that people with a different ideology don't like what he had to say about the supernatural.
Is that what you are refering to? If not, please help me find articles or books of Sagan distorting the truth about scientific matters. I would like to read up on that.
@@uzul42 well, you made my point when you first commented that you 'googled' Carl Sagan. I would like to tell you how much knowledge a person acquires from ...LIVING. I am 65 years old, been watching the world since I was born...watching the WORLD since I was 5...I observed President Kennedy shot ...in Dallas...in his motorcade, by the CIA in this USA. And, the films were ALL the same...maybe a few different angles. I have visited Dallas subsequently, and heard 'many' of the 'hypothesis'. I've ...like you...watched documentaries and Movies on the sudbject...and I will tell you it was a CIA plot...with George H.W. Bush making a name for himself. B$ he was appointed head of the CIA. Living can teach us MUCH, if we LOOK! Or, you can 'google' and you will get any number of 'lies'. Don't believe WIKIPEDIA either! Created and run by another of Klaus Schwabs graduates from his 'school of Globalism!'
@@uzul42 Of course that is ALL you found! What I am saying...Sagan was an Athiest...he was their 'model' for the type of world they wanted everyone to believe in...Godless! He played the role, and was probably paid well for it.
i really appreciate the spirit of this video, as when approaching radical ideas its always important to give understanding before judging. unfortunately though, flat earthers are a particularly ignorant bunch.
i’m sure there are a handful of them who are genuinely interested in the shape of the earth, and are simply misinformed about science and history, but if you’ve ever had the displeasure of interacting with these people, you know most of them are just not equipped to understand what they’re talking about, so they lash out at the people and organizations that do. the vast majority are fuelled entirely by youtube conspiracy theories and a chronic distrust of scientific authority, a strange mindset that probably shouldn’t be given any leeway in the modern age of science and reason.
It’s not just about trust though. Even when they do their own experiments that prove the earth is round, they still won’t accept the results.
Yeah, so true. They're attached to their viewpoint beyond reason. Would be good to know why.
because its mostly about proving their point, not understanding the world.
@ because you are special if you are part of an elitist group that knows the truth.
There is a new documentary about flat earthers on netflix that is really revealing. They mainly follow "Mark Seargant". At one point, you see a community get-together ("flat earth conference") and one of the speakers actually spells out one of the main reasons to join this community: it gives purpose.
As a flat earther (or any conspiracy advocat for that matter), in a society of wealth and no real threats to survival, some people cannot deal with more complex goals or purposes--so they create new goals and purposes and assign themselves the roles of heralds and martyrs.
This is not an epistemological problem as Sabine suggests--its a socio-phsycological problem.
I've seen one of those, funny as hell!
I agree that it's about trust, or lack of it. But at the same time they have enormous trust in the governments ability to keep such a huge conspiracy hidden.
I think it's more of an enormous trust in other people being more studid/sheepish/ignorant than themselves. The "Truth" is out there but others are just "not willing/able" to see it. Plus a whole lot of other reasons. A scientific approach to understanding the mind of flatearthers or other conspiracy theorists is as difficult as any scientific topic. Glad this video tries to do this.
It goes beyond that though. I recently saw a video where this woman was saying that she and her husband would scoff at flat-Earthers, only to start "researching" themselves and finally arriving at the conclusion that the evidence IS there and the Earth is flat after all. I don't know what evidence she's referring to, but lots of flat-Earthers do actually claim there is evidence; to them, it is not just a matter of distrust in the government.
“The government is hiding space aliens!”
The level of ignorance, as Sabine mentions, went to crazy levels with the advent of social media. Allows the popularity of Donald Trump as well.
Yeah because government and media aint in cahoots anyway?
Do you really think a wshitleblower with enough evidence that would take out the Government and Media (Flat Earth, 9/11, Moonlandings, etc..) would be allowed to give such evidence on the same media outlets that collude w Government?
No well informed person would trust what they are being told about this by Government or "science".... btw most "science" is educational brainwash and entereteinment brainwashing headed by the Rockerfellers... the ones that benefit the most from this delusion... also the ones that fund free education and many universities and think tanks.
They take some real science but use that to confuse you w formulas and numbers.... if the stars were as far as they claim then guess what? u couldnt see the ones u see w the naked eye... they are simply too far and your eyes shouldnt be able to see them at all, the moon is way too bright to be reflecting light from the sun... science says that.
You ever see the sun and moon out at the same time and notice the shadow on the moon is wrong? is not at the angle the sun/earth should be at to get the shade you see.... this happens many times in a year... impossible on a Globe.
Maybe those that give education benefit from this lie? oh yes they do... but you trust their theories because they paste them in all their movies and series... and then groupthink dynamics take over.
Is Flat and I distrust those "officials" saying is a Globe w every cell in my body as they have sooooo much to benefit from this lie and because their lie has led us to world wars, hunger and so much suffering.
That's the thing that puzzles me about anti-science conspiracy theorists. They have little trust in or respect for the abilities of scientists and most science-based professionals. They actively subscribe to the idea that scientists are absent minded, socially unskilled, impractical dorks with tons of theoretical knowledge but little wisdom or common sense. Yet they believe scientists are organized, socially skilled, and clever enough to concoct these elaborate hoaxes about the shape of the planet/evolution/vaccination/climate change/Covid-19 etc. (presumably to keep themselves funded and employed), and to successfully bamboozle the masses with them.
If the world was flat, cats would have pushed everything off by now.
Well, that argument can work with flatearthers :)
I've seen that joke a half dozen times in the last 2 weeks.
Lol. True.
Thats about as funny as screen doors on a
battleship...
@@gordonsflash8612 Actually, I think it's "That's as funny as screen doors on a submarine".
Very insightful, Sabine! Thank you!
Forget the science reasoning, don't you think if the earth was flat someone by now would have taken a selfie from the edge.
Except that it's guarded by thousands of UN (?) ships preventing anyone from seeing the ice wall. Although how flat heads know that there is an ice wall when no-one has see it or visited Antarctica is a bit disingenuous.
The secret world organization are wasting BILLIONS, time and effort to prevent them from reveal something that no reason to be concealed because in no way it will change the world power game.
@Chris Mathis: ... well... except if Earth is an infinite disc. And no... there's no limit for stupidity.
@@richardgomes5420 If the earth were an infinite disc (in all directions) then the moon would not be able to revolve around it.
@@chrismathis4162 Flat Earthers don't see any problem. And no... there's no limit for stupidity.
this video goes way beyond explaining flat earthers... i started watching thinking this would be pretty dumb. but i actually learned alot about myself and will definitely be proactively trying to be aware of this going forward!
are/were you a flat earther?
@@zanly5039 no.
Yes FE will set you free.
@@zanly5039 So what if zanly was a FE'er ?
I am now a 39 year old bartender with an undergraduate physics degree. But you are still one of my heroes.
At 35, I just finished my MSc in maths. I know how it feels to go back to education after a decade or so break - good luck. (And most importantly, have fun with it.)
Thanks, Stephen. That’s great to hear. I have two semesters left. Then hopefully onto graduate school like you!
I'm 39 and just finished my physics undergrad. Now I'm a first-year PhD student. Never too old.
@Mizar that is awesome to hear!
@Hell N Degenerates But.. what is reality? Will you interpret it in the same way i do? Or will we both be using scientific methods and language, in order to reach consensus about the reality of things? Maybe education could help in that regard.
I wonder if dealing with string theorists has given her more patience and understanding of flat earthers?
This is a deep comment. In fact it may be the fact you are right. String theory ... or how to stupidly waste precious brain time of very clever peoples.
Let's not be ridiculous here: the problem with string theory doesn't have anything to do with the problem with flat earthers.
@@rv706 They have this in common: both arise from mistaking fantasy for reality...
@@rclrd1: if you want to be sarcastic, fair enough. But actually, epistemoligically, no, they're completely different problems. Flat earth is an unjustified mistrust in how knowledge gets transmitted within a society, while string theory is a legit piece of theoretical work that (for various sociological and technological reasons) is just... taking forever to get to verifiable predictions.
@@rv706 actually we don't know that. It's an interesting piece of work, that a lot of people believe is what you say.
There is however no concrete proof of what you say.
As such it's arguably an irrational belief.
Thank you for the clear and articulate talk, this serves as an example of how we should communicate with each other. I feel like you got to the root of the issue without resorting to degrading comments which do nothing to educate, and server only to fuel disagreement and hinder logical debate.
Logical debate with most globers is impossible. You believe in cartoons we want empirical evidence. You believe to clowns like this naza puppy. We look for experiments.
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Have you ever tried to engage flattards in logical discussions regarding the shape of the Earth? Doesn't seem like you have.
EVERY WORD SHE SPEAKS IS DISRESPECTFUL. SHE IS A FULL ON LIAR AND MANIPULATOR ALONG WITH BEING MENTALLY ILL. GET A LIFE.
@@joshuaallen707 or just a paid actor. A mentally ill actor.
This is so satisfying! I am 16 years old and i watch your videos along with self-educating to achieve my dream of one day becoming a good physicist, you are one of my biggest inspiration!
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I don’t even know how you people think, physicists out here built physics from the ground up, they dug all the way to the fundamental laws of nature till things started not even making sense to our primitive human minds, but we are trying, but you people out here with your « gravity is fake » WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT? Physics is interconnected, it’s whole model, every step of it required sleepless nights for some genius and hundreds of experiments, physics is not HYPOTHETICAL, scientists didn’t just say « oh gravity exists and here are the equations » EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DERIVED YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT
Now go read a book, i don’t think that you’re smart though, but atleast try, and when you come back but you still have the same views, we would have an excuse for calling you a fucking moron.
I'm 66. I dropped out of school on my 17th B-Day and have never regretted it. Persevere son, the world needs the autodidact.
@@adamlangton1967 they just want a free trip to space bro thats what i think😂
@@jthepickle7 Good lord, please do not ever advocate dropping out of school to teenagers. What a malicious and ignorant thing to do. Whether you're happy about your decision or not is immaterial to the growth, maturity and education of children. Jesus.
That was amazing. Clear, factual, compassionate to those who grew up without a lot of intellectual stimulation. I’ve known a lot of these people, seen them figure out complex problems, but aren’t starting with enough of the building blocks of science to know what to believe and what not to and how to figure that out.
This is an incredibly respectful and empathetic examination of what is essentially an incredibly idiotic hypothesis
As a once die hard bio-Chem and fraternity member who knows the lie this is so stupid first off the moon couldn’t not rotate nor be it’s size if gravity and the math was right it’s sick to me to watch this put out to deceive the lesser educated how about mass and gravity for physics u said and u promise right ?u worked for nasa ?founded by nazis and gee here is u pushing untestable theories why calling theory ludicrous, van Allen radiation belts??? These just don’t exist anymore?? Fools and liars pushing new world science that was re-written and you can’t land on a holographic projection even if u could get through the radiation lol hell is waiting for u deceivers I’m so glad I was smarter than they wanted and grandpa raised me a man and strong morals I left them when I knew my salary and job was deceiving the lower classes of man they said we was special blew our egos up 6 figure start out the gate no matter the field if kappa alpha picked u and u we’re alumni of the order u would have the class of the elite only ur soul was wanted in return
So is socialism, but you rarely see anyone admit it. Many respectful and empathetic examinations, however.
@@DrCruel which part of socialism is incredibly stupid?
@@JoshTsukayama The part where you let vicious socialist criminals take over your country, kill all the people who own businesses or are clergy and then enslave all the workers for decades so that this socialist criminal elite can become filthy rich.
Seriously. There's a century of this sort of thing and how it works, yet there are still incredibly idiotic people who are still confused by the concept - or unscrupulous pig people who pretend to be, because they think they are going to be part of that criminal socialist elite. At least flat earthers are relatively harmless.
@@DrCruel i get your point, but i think it's unfair to conflate corruption within socialism with socialism itself. otherwise you could look at zimbabwe and say the same thing about capitalism/democracy.
If you take a time lapse photo of the sky in the northern and southern hemispheres you get a pretty good impression to prove the earth is a ball. You will see two rotational centers, and you will see that you see different stars in the different hemispheres. This is something you can just look at with your own eyes. No need to trust science to observe this.
The flerfs (flat earthers) say that those are lights being projected on the dome that we live under. They will argue that that is proof that the Earth is flat. Those people do not accept reason and have no common sense it is pretty sad when you watch most of the flat earther videos and arguments.
@@NothingPicksLocks I guess it means a lot to them to hold on to this then... maybe is feels amazing to make believe this way...hehe :)
This kinda gets in the way of the philosophy to which they ascribe, as Sabine eluded to. Many of them don't have the needed funds to travel across the equator to perform the observation. And for them to believe it as fact they would seem to want/need to make the experiment them selves.
@@katanasteel I am sure they could all chip in to send a courier to make the experiments. After all, they do trust each other, otherwise they would not get anything from watching each others videos. Most flat earthers I have seen are flat earthers because they think it confirm some literal interpretation of the bible somehow.
@@bearofthunder sorry to say... even when some of them pooled funds to aquire an optical ring laser gyroscope to try and prove that the earth upon which they stood/stand wasn't moving... they somehow failed... or calls the guy out to be a faker, because the experiment when performed correlated exactly with the earth spinning 360 degrees per 24 hours or 15 degrees per hour
Excellent summation. I’ve only just discovered your channel, and I’m looking forward to seeing more of it.
Your understanding goes way beyond science and that is so valuable considering how contentious this can get.
This is a most beautifully constructed and reasoned presentation of the topic in a way that I hadn't considered - empathy.
How powerful it is to consider that their trajectory of thought does coincide with science from hundreds of years ago, and if they had the time to themselves recreate all the experiments, learnings and improvement of centuries then, eventually, they'd catch up to our current level of capability.
I love the example of evidence for being able to use something like a tin can of soup isn't that we had to have direct control/witness of the steps ourselves, but that we have evidence of the controls that are in place (such as standards, legal systems, punitive responses) that are valid evidence when we aren't able to be the direct witness ourselves.
You've inspired me to think about Flat Earthers in a whole new way that offers respect for their "verify" thought process without buying into the incorrect conclusions they've come to.
If the whole human race could learn from your immaculately considered empathy, so much hate, violence, and war could be avoided. Thankyou!
flattards are willfully ignorant. they will reject anything that contradicts their lies and ignorance. they can watch a sunrise and sunset and lie to you and themselves about what causes it.
Yep. The remarkable thing about this explanation is how humane and kind it is.
The problem that a lot of us fight with is the fact that we are being deceived at the most quintessential level in almost every aspect of our lives from the authorities who have violated every anti-trust law there is. The authorities mock us boldly and it is an absolute abomination. Psychiatric science is all based on grand illusion. They have been using AI and satellite based technology/weaponry have been deployed to control our lives in so many ways that it is a literal outrage. The field of medicine, history, space exploration are a complete illusion. The whitehouse is a charade. People are realizing that most of our perceptions that have been established by “the establishment” is founded on an unbelievable amount of lies. With out opening up Pandora’s box I can say with 100% certainty that almost every aspect of our lives is controlled and most of our knowledge is based on grand illusion. As hard as it is to believe almost everything we have been taught is a lie. That being said true scientific process can reveal certain truths that would otherwise be hidden as well. So knowing this to be the truth I can fully understand how people who realize our blight would have no issue with disputing what we were taught by the totalitarian programming institution we all recognize as the public schooling system. I have indisputable proof of everything I claim to be lies taught by the authorities in our current system. It was all put in place by the people who control our centralized banking system. If you wish to have a respectful informative conversation dm me or respond to my post. It seems this post has a lot of intelligent people on it. We face an enemy today like no other that has ever existed in the fact that they have the technology to honestly establish world domination. Sounds a little like “dominion” right. I know there will be those who are fervent in their dispute regarding the thought if our great nation bring insidiously destroyed from with in, however it has happened. And I can explain how and I can expose a lot of the illusions. Ultimately you will have to choose to listen. The truth does not care about your beliefs.
Lol its flat
Not really...
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"The more difficult scientific experiments and arguments are to follow for non experts, the more care we must take to explain how we lead those arguments"
but the explanation needn't be difficult. If they believe in a spotlight sun, then how does it rise and set? Same for the moon. Simple geometry dictates the sun would never be below 30degrees above the horizon for any spot on the planet.
@@timq6224 what are the forces that sustained sun (and moon) in their spot lights positions? Why they move in circles? They cannot explain.. There are no mathematical models for that.
@@franciscodonizetidasilva9570 lol
I am an aerospace engineer and private pilot supporting the fact the earth is flat and stationary. Education is indoctrination. Big bang, evolution, relativity, gravity theories are all lies designed to sell the fake spinning, moving globe to the masses.
Hollywood is a great keyboard on which the government can play. It is also a mighty wand from which spells are broadcast.
‘Govern mental’ literally means ‘mind control.’ Universities kill diversity.
Attitudes, behaviors, thoughts, mannerisms, memes are mass controlled through the broadcast.
Simultaneous levels and layers of programming are being broadcast into the population telling them who to worship, inverting right and wrong, true and false, displacing reality to replace it with a virtual and alternate reality as far as the mind of the population can be manipulated, which is very far.
People are extremely malleable. Children are even more impressionable.
Einstein meant it when he said that imagination is more important than knowledge. He wanted for us to stay asleep in the imaginary, inverted world that they created for us; some call it the matrix, others call it the zeitgeist, this erroneous perception of our world and universe. Yet this perception is part of the collective consciousness that was put together through the broadcasting of spells. As long as whatever inhabits the mind of the population is imaginary and detached from reality then the controllers have nothing to fear as far their control system goes.
From birth, the population is tuned in to the wavelengths the authors of the system (i.e. the authorities) broadcast from their Hollywood wands. As the RHCP once said, space may be the final frontier but it's made in Hollywood basement. Only by awareness of this manipulation can you resist the big inversion.
They live, while we sleep. Food for thought. Bon apathy.
@@napoleonbonapathy6943 Aerospace engineer? Serious? Explain to me the gyroscope theory. Or the magnetic field of Earth.
I've been waiting for so long for you to take on this subject.
Janusha there is more to science than just pure scientific research and theory. Communication as philosophy are deeply important.
You don’t do science in a vacuum. The aim is to understand the natural “world”, which humans and society is very much a part of.
I feel maybe you didn’t quite follow the messaging in this video?
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@JanushaWhat! 🤔
very controversial subject
@Janusha I mean, cause there is even a movement pro-flat earth
Very lovely example of logical argument. Has a kind of beauty.
The flat earthers I have discussed this with are not looking for truth they are looking for proof of their theory. Just observing a sunrise or sunset is enough to disprove their model, let alone a lunar eclipse.
Yeah they are only searching for confirmation bias. They never once think if their ideas are stupid, but rather why hasn’t anyone taken a deeper look into their ideas as if they amounted to anything. Often they’ll focus on the details of arguing, such as fallacies, gaslighting, straw man, etc. and use that as a way to disprove anything you say. They aren’t looking for the truth, but rather to feel smart when we all know they actually aren’t.
@@JoeARedHawk275 Flat earth, being just another pseudo-religion, is just another example of a much larger problem: The need Mankind has to belong to a group, a tribe, or a sect. Religion is just the biggest example. While no evidence exists to prove the existence of a supreme being, hordes of people flock to the several religions of the world. And the entire concept of a supreme being means they can´t all be right. By that fact alone one should doubt the entire premise, but we don´t. So why do we join them? We do it to belong. To be a part of something. And logic reasoning falls behind to that need.
I am thoroughly convinced that most people don´t really believe in a god. They just don´t want to abandon the comfort of belonging to something, or face the ridicule and ostracism that they would be faced with, should they voice their real subconscious opinion. And we have proof of this. If religious folk really believed in god, and resurrection, no one would be afraid of dying. And yet we are, fiercely. We spend humongous amounts of money and time to stave off death. And that is perhaps the greatest proof, that deep down people don´t believe they will resurrect to another life.
@Brian Trudeau But there is no god. So they are enemies of logic, and reason.
@@Biden_is_demented Could possibly be a God, though. Personally, I believe God made the Big Bang and guided humanity through evolution. Religion doesn't always have to be at odds with science and common sense, I say.
@@delaney6413 God is a construct of the human mind. A believer will always struggle to comprehend or acknowledge the evidence in contrary, no matter how powerful they may be. It´s something ingrained deep in out psyche. Just like a flat earther, you can take one up to the edge of space, and he still won´t believe it. Because believing would shatter his sense of belonging to his group. And as social beings that we are, the drive to stay tied to one´s group is so strong, that we are willing to go against our own reasoning, and even our own senses. That´s why it is a fruitless effort to try to convince anyone, of anything.
remember: flat earthers have members all over the globe
Corrected: [...] all over the plane
Just a few...
how many times has this comment been repeated?....alot
How can we forget. This same comment is on every flat earth video.
@@KrunoslavSaho what plane?
Thanks, and not just for this one, for near as I can tell all of your work.
Im in Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA and on a ball earth the moon follows the equator never leaving the equator fact------------- but the moon at some stage is directly overhead of Adelaide at mignight neither east or west and neither north or south straight above now that would mean that Adelaide is directly below the moon on the equator which is north of Australia north of Adelaide ==================GET YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT because ADELAIDE CAN NEVER BE ON THE EQUATOR we are ckoser to the south pole it could only happen on a flat earth
I think the important question to ask these people isn’t “how” but “why?”. Why would the whole world agree that the world is actually round despite it apparently being flat? What purpose does it actually serve in the greater scheme of things
The answer I've heard a couple of times: it's a lie perpetuated by godless elites, the UN, diabolic freemasons and/or Zionists to make us disbelieve in the christian god's design.
The obvious next question is again, why? Best not to ask, you'll end up in a brain rotting rabbit hole which permanently harms your faith in humankind.
Ya know, when she said that flat earthers “rely on their senses”, something clicked with me. She’s right, flat earthers always say “I can’t feel the earth move, therefore it’s not spinning” or, “I don’t see a curve, therefore it’s flat”.
Well, according to them, we must first rely on our senses, and that begs the question.
To someone who is blind, is there such a thing as light?
To someone who is deaf, is there such a thing called sound?
A lot of people apparently dont have internal dialogue. Ive always wondered if there is a correlation of lack of internal dialogue / minds eye and this mode of (non)reasoning.
I can see the curve when I lie down and the sun sets, and when I get up the sun is brought up into view. I can also see the shape of the Earth during a lunar eclipse, it's always round.
@@SoftBreadSoft What, some people DON'T have an internal dialogue?
@@tannerman46 Yeah, it's a thing
@@SoftBreadSoft That's interesting. I do have an internal dialogue, but I find it difficult not to vocalise it. (Yes, I talk to myself - so sue me!) I'm not a round earth denier in any way, but I am a bit pedantic about it being an oblate spheroid.