The shot at 2:00 Minutes is a very good example, why you shouldn't trust your eyes alone with the aiming system. If you keep a close watch to the minimap you'll notice that, at the moment the guns are fired, the aiming reticle is offset to the north side of the ship class sprite on the map (which is the closer side, relative towards the own ship). Only right after the shot is taken and the camera moves back to normal view (out of zoom), the reticle will go dead center on the yamato. Additionally symbols on the map have just one standard sprite per ship type- meaning it is not the actual width/ length of the ship. These sprites can (and will be) be slightly bigger than many actual ships would be on the map, if they were to be represented with an actual model. All in all we had a bigger- than- the- ship- sprite und we aditionally aimed at the outer edge of that sprite (meaning the reticle, not what the camera view showed us!). Et voila- shots fall short. I'm not saying this is a good aiming system, or that it isn't buggy, or whatever. It is just something that I also noticed on other videos and my own replays. And that you shouldn't always trust your actual visuals. The camera changes might have done more than bugging the reticle at some points...
This is why I've learned to instinctively double check my shots to see if the game is registering it the same way I want it to, you just can't trust this game with anything.
I really have to start using the minimap more often..I got frustrated with the aiming modules and flat-out removed them in favor of other equipment. Seeing that behavior @2:00 explains A LOT about how I can get random cits/devstrikes, and then miss a complete salvo the next lineup. How Arcade of WoW's.. :/
Doesn't the spotter plane make you have to adjust your aim? Having to aim higher??? I remember Flamu talking about this. (I don't play BB so I'm not familiar) With PQ's mods making his visual view look normal while in spotter plane mode. That would explain why he constantly misses his shots. It sure seems to me he is the problem here... Not so much the game? (Not to say the game is perfect)
I just went and rewatched his shit at the 2:00 mark and he definitely did aim poorly. The mini map shows he aimed exactly where his shots landed. Odd how he doesn't realize this...
@@jeffallen3382 Regarding the adjustment of aim with spotter plane, that only occurs when you are in the spotter-plane view and your visual angle of incidence to the reticle is elevated (e.g. you are now looking down onto the target, as opposed to across it). Pressing the "C" key with spotter plane up transitions from the high-angle spotter plane view to the normal low-angle view, and in the latter, adjustment due to the aforementioned change of visual angle should not come into consideration. Note that PQ never transitioned into the high-angle view for this shot after popping the spotter plane, so there should be no adjustment needed.
This whole line still seems sort of meh. I get that it's sort of set up for HE spamming since it has weak armor, weak AP at range, and no torpedoes, but we have enough HE spammers already. The British line still seems far better at HE spamming, especially at range, and has better AP values apparently. I certainly would never spend real money on early access events, or anything else in this game anymore, but when they're free I'll try them. Great series of videos, thank you.
hey i have a theory about whats going on with the aiming system. i believe that the target lock on has to happen in first person view, whereas a 3rd person lock on with then zooming to pov would increase the chance of shells going low or high. would have to test that tho /aintnobodygottimefothat
I'm thinking of going down this line and saw a spreadsheet that showed that is secondaries are actually pretty strong, I'd love to see you do a Full secondary build Bungo sometime!
I think between the cyclone shot and the storm it shows the ballistics and reticle aiming are fine but whatever they've done for the auto-aim and lock on is bugged
Apparently the shells got changed somewhere along the way. Ashitaka used to have the crappy A-hull Amagi's shells, which is probably why people still think her shells are way worse than they actually are. I sure did before I went and checked.
Ngl, I kinda like this more. Having both ammo types be proper options and having appeal in a BB is something that all BBs should have had, but I'm glad we are finally getting it. Same for Brit BCs and BBs and even the French line if you are good enough
I would have found this new line if WG had given these ships either tops or secondaries. But as they are, I will eventually get around to doing the grind.
Ok, I know I wrote that thingy about Montana in my previous comment. So, data: At 18.9 km, pen (angle of impact relative to normal): Monty: 450 mm (16 °), Bungo: 448 mm (13°). Either there is something more effed up than the aiming system or Monty has quite actually worse pen at that range. (Due to the angle of impact.)
In all Wargaming games, RNG is crucial. Of course, there is always a better or worse ship, plane, tank or an better or worse player, but still the RNG decides.
in terms of damage numbers, yes. However, HE damage can be healed much more than citadel damage, with most ships only able to repair 10% to 33% of that damage.
You didn't say it but it's simple how to resume this line, Bungo line is basically an oversized Azuma :) Bad armor, good enoug ap, great HE, good dispersion, no torps, and you play basically the same as well
@zlpatriot11 I guess I should rephrase my question and situation. I'm in optometry school (grad program) and I'm incredibly busy and no longer have time to grind. I can occasionally play video games, just nowhere near enough time to grind so basically what I'm asking is, is it worth getting these ships if my only realistic option is to pay or should I skip them?
5:06 honestly, you say it.... slava go dark and we (and you too) can not see which part of slava did those shells hit? and how you know surely Monatana's shell gonna get more penetrate shot?
You pen 76mm, IFHE is a waste of points. You already pen every BB deck short of Lauria’s 120mm deck, and whatever fires you could have gotten you throw that away.
Did you try secondaries? I know that these are not, strictly speaking, secondary ships; nor is the armour really suited. Just a question as to their performance IF specced into and IF given the opportunity to shoot.
Full secondary Bungo at T10 should perform exactly like a T8 full secondary Kii. I have my Kii built for secondaries, so maybe it'd work on Bungo? Still, the range isn't that good.
When you have a spotter plane up press the "c" key I think it is, that will give you an elevated view, but you MUST have a spotter plane in the air, otherwise it just swaps the view from your front guns to rear guns or vice versa.
Just researched the Bungo, first game in it almost made me quit wows, its a terd past 18k. I came back here and re watched the video and noticed he is playing at close ranges. At long ranges only fire at still targets, Bungo shoots so high ships are gone before shells come down from orbit.
Conspiracy theory: Wargaming deliberately nerfed the aiming system especially in bbs so that game can last longer due to stupid player base and current meta of blowouts...
Sap and he annoys me and people making mistakes isn’t even guaranteed damage anymore for instance cruiser pops out in from of me at 4km hits all six shells all over pens he torps and kills me
so a 10 guns thunderer without the superheal/advanced heal. such originality WG....instead of keep releasing half already mashed ships, they should fix the game. remove CV, remove subs, fix old t10 stats. I know i can dream lol
You are just wrong when it comes to the Montana getting citadels on that Slava because don't forget Slava has the Kremlin armor scheme which means it is angled in a way where it get thicker the higher impact angle you have so Montana with its slow shells well bounce Slava broadside at that range easily
PQ: Hey, I found a way to make this ship work, I just use HE sniping stuff PQ earlier: The game got in a meta state of passive gameplay due to HE spamming and sniping BB's, subs and CV's even when I love your content, just be honest and say it's a Thunderer blend and not worth the time, however you are exactly promoting this passive meta, WG is exactly pushing this agenda which is supersad...
I mean...do you want him to just constantly delves in a circlejerk of hate? He is just trying to bring up the positive of the line. The AP is crap, the armor is bad, but the HE is quite nice, speed is ok, and good concealment. And like the game has been passive for a long time, after the CV rework and the addition of submarines to game, it is what it is honestly. You cannot stop, PQ cannot stop it, no one can really stop it.
The shot at 2:00 Minutes is a very good example, why you shouldn't trust your eyes alone with the aiming system. If you keep a close watch to the minimap you'll notice that, at the moment the guns are fired, the aiming reticle is offset to the north side of the ship class sprite on the map (which is the closer side, relative towards the own ship). Only right after the shot is taken and the camera moves back to normal view (out of zoom), the reticle will go dead center on the yamato.
Additionally symbols on the map have just one standard sprite per ship type- meaning it is not the actual width/ length of the ship. These sprites can (and will be) be slightly bigger than many actual ships would be on the map, if they were to be represented with an actual model.
All in all we had a bigger- than- the- ship- sprite und we aditionally aimed at the outer edge of that sprite (meaning the reticle, not what the camera view showed us!). Et voila- shots fall short.
I'm not saying this is a good aiming system, or that it isn't buggy, or whatever. It is just something that I also noticed on other videos and my own replays. And that you shouldn't always trust your actual visuals. The camera changes might have done more than bugging the reticle at some points...
This is why I've learned to instinctively double check my shots to see if the game is registering it the same way I want it to, you just can't trust this game with anything.
I really have to start using the minimap more often..I got frustrated with the aiming modules and flat-out removed them in favor of other equipment. Seeing that behavior @2:00 explains A LOT about how I can get random cits/devstrikes, and then miss a complete salvo the next lineup. How Arcade of WoW's.. :/
Doesn't the spotter plane make you have to adjust your aim? Having to aim higher??? I remember Flamu talking about this. (I don't play BB so I'm not familiar)
With PQ's mods making his visual view look normal while in spotter plane mode. That would explain why he constantly misses his shots.
It sure seems to me he is the problem here... Not so much the game? (Not to say the game is perfect)
I just went and rewatched his shit at the 2:00 mark and he definitely did aim poorly.
The mini map shows he aimed exactly where his shots landed. Odd how he doesn't realize this...
@@jeffallen3382 Regarding the adjustment of aim with spotter plane, that only occurs when you are in the spotter-plane view and your visual angle of incidence to the reticle is elevated (e.g. you are now looking down onto the target, as opposed to across it). Pressing the "C" key with spotter plane up transitions from the high-angle spotter plane view to the normal low-angle view, and in the latter, adjustment due to the aforementioned change of visual angle should not come into consideration. Note that PQ never transitioned into the high-angle view for this shot after popping the spotter plane, so there should be no adjustment needed.
Hell yeah ! That's how i like to see you play man. More variety, less stress, shoot on reload, smash people left right and center. Thumbs up!
There is nothing "less satisfying" about 10k+ salvos with fires into angled battleships. That is 100% satisfying af.
You know torpedo exit right?
Your channel is hands down the most informative for WoWs. GJ mate!
damm that blind dev strike onto the henri is insane
This whole line still seems sort of meh. I get that it's sort of set up for HE spamming since it has weak armor, weak AP at range, and no torpedoes, but we have enough HE spammers already. The British line still seems far better at HE spamming, especially at range, and has better AP values apparently. I certainly would never spend real money on early access events, or anything else in this game anymore, but when they're free I'll try them. Great series of videos, thank you.
hey i have a theory about whats going on with the aiming system. i believe that the target lock on has to happen in first person view, whereas a 3rd person lock on with then zooming to pov would increase the chance of shells going low or high.
would have to test that tho /aintnobodygottimefothat
i still believe that the tier 9 and 10 still should have more ap pen and deal atleast 14.5k damage
I'm thinking of going down this line and saw a spreadsheet that showed that is secondaries are actually pretty strong, I'd love to see you do a Full secondary build Bungo sometime!
I'd like to see conquerer as a comparison because I'd always take a conq...
Consistency is the lowest bar where I start judging a ship. I'll wait till it gets ironed out into the shape of the current meta to bother with it.
I think between the cyclone shot and the storm it shows the ballistics and reticle aiming are fine but whatever they've done for the auto-aim and lock on is bugged
Ashitaka has Amagi shells iirc; its the mutsu that gets weaker shells than the nagato
Apparently the shells got changed somewhere along the way. Ashitaka used to have the crappy A-hull Amagi's shells, which is probably why people still think her shells are way worse than they actually are.
I sure did before I went and checked.
Ngl, I kinda like this more. Having both ammo types be proper options and having appeal in a BB is something that all BBs should have had, but I'm glad we are finally getting it. Same for Brit BCs and BBs and even the French line if you are good enough
Isn't this just a worse St Vincent?
Isn't everything just a worse st Vincent on some level?
"Isn't everything worse than the best?"
the Vincent is OP, this one on the other hand can screw up and die very quickly
Everything is a worse St. Vincent
St. Vincent is magical. One of my favorites.
The ap is performing way better while blind firing? Maybe try to shoot at ships without locking on. lol
I would have found this new line if WG had given these ships either tops or secondaries. But as they are, I will eventually get around to doing the grind.
Always excited for a PQ ship review
Ok, I know I wrote that thingy about Montana in my previous comment. So, data:
At 18.9 km, pen (angle of impact relative to normal):
Monty: 450 mm (16 °), Bungo: 448 mm (13°).
Either there is something more effed up than the aiming system or Monty has quite actually worse pen at that range. (Due to the angle of impact.)
Shell weight
Its not random dice, its how much armour the ships you are shooting at have.
In all Wargaming games, RNG is crucial.
Of course, there is always a better or worse ship, plane, tank or an better or worse player, but still the RNG decides.
I stopped aiming for the waterline, 😮💨
4:26 21k HE damage is already equivalent to a citadel
in terms of damage numbers, yes. However, HE damage can be healed much more than citadel damage, with most ships only able to repair 10% to 33% of that damage.
The Slava does not have smth strange in its belt armor that makes ap shatter / bounce when broadside?
Also, don’t sleep on Ashitaka, I’ve got a 209k dmg game in it and many others >160k
You didn't say it but it's simple how to resume this line, Bungo line is basically an oversized Azuma :) Bad armor, good enoug ap, great HE, good dispersion, no torps, and you play basically the same as well
Great video! WE need 2 vids a day man..
IFHE BUNGO? good or not
Do you think its worth getting this ship and the other items it comes with during early access?
Just grind to what you can get for free, and get the T10 when it fully comes out for free in two patches
No, pay to access early is never worth it
@zlpatriot11 I guess I should rephrase my question and situation. I'm in optometry school (grad program) and I'm incredibly busy and no longer have time to grind. I can occasionally play video games, just nowhere near enough time to grind so basically what I'm asking is, is it worth getting these ships if my only realistic option is to pay or should I skip them?
NO, WTF!? Don't be the dumbass who whales on a FREE ship, fucking wait for it
@@EraOfJack just skip it, it's nothing special, St. Vincent is better in every way
BUNGO BUNGO BUNGO
What are your favorite T10 BB's?
So it's a better dispersion conq of the IJN noice
Why not just play the Conqueror line if we just have to spam HE
Did they not patch a bug on this line of ships? Should you not discard your earlier games on this line because of that?
2:00 ... damn painful ...
5:06 honestly, you say it.... slava go dark and we (and you too) can not see which part of slava did those shells hit? and how you know surely Monatana's shell gonna get more penetrate shot?
I absolutely love the camo for this line, but im just not ok with payin idk 100€ for a Standart tech three line just for the camo
Ah yes the Classical Japanese experience in this game
Rule 1. It must be mediocre in spite of the powerful statistics
Hi PQ! I was wondering what mods you're using. If you have that video or link up, can you please direct me to it? thanks!
How about IFHE on those ships? I think it might work well since you probably gain a lot of pen for not a lot of fire chance.
You pen 76mm, IFHE is a waste of points. You already pen every BB deck short of Lauria’s 120mm deck, and whatever fires you could have gotten you throw that away.
Seems like a Thunderer or Conqueror playstyle, isn't it?
Didn't you say in that first vid, that that one was your last? Now your Bungo vid playlist is as long as any ship. I'm glad to see you having fun.
Ever since he became a CC we just can't trust him, smh my head
/s
Did you try secondaries?
I know that these are not, strictly speaking, secondary ships; nor is the armour really suited. Just a question as to their performance IF specced into and IF given the opportunity to shoot.
Full secondary Bungo at T10 should perform exactly like a T8 full secondary Kii. I have my Kii built for secondaries, so maybe it'd work on Bungo? Still, the range isn't that good.
Please do a clip on how you blind-fire in cyclones.
Not as good as the best battleships in the game you said. Which are the best battleships then?
Ig it's more like Thunderer with 10 457s that are accurate and camping from distance
oh wow for 7 days you played an entire line. I wish I was a youtube fanboi with preferential MM and rng...
St. Vincent ship review? Or gadance
Whoaaaaa super amagi super amagi super amagi Pog
Im a little new to wows, how does he get the high up views when aiming at ships?
When you have a spotter plane up press the "c" key I think it is, that will give you an elevated view, but you MUST have a spotter plane in the air, otherwise it just swaps the view from your front guns to rear guns or vice versa.
@@Stephen__White ahh tyvm!
Johan wasn't even broadside - very angled.
Brother.... is it over?? The PQ vs Japan BC line... Has he made a decision? ... Brother... *Gets deleted by a submarine*
nice video. as always😁
Isnt this just a yoshino on steroids?
Just researched the Bungo, first game in it almost made me quit wows, its a terd past 18k. I came back here and re watched the video and noticed he is playing at close ranges. At long ranges only fire at still targets, Bungo shoots so high ships are gone before shells come down from orbit.
I refuse to play HE with that gun caliber, I don't care about the result!!!
i'm araid WG will nerf that HE dmg somehow......
in storms, you get 30% worse dispersion, deal with it
BB HE spamming is pxxy
that United States positioning at 3:50 made me want to vomit....
Conspiracy theory:
Wargaming deliberately nerfed the aiming system especially in bbs so that game can last longer due to stupid player base and current meta of blowouts...
I did have high hopes for this ship line, but idk man, Im thinking that this line of BBs are shit
Sap and he annoys me and people making mistakes isn’t even guaranteed damage anymore for instance cruiser pops out in from of me at 4km hits all six shells all over pens he torps and kills me
so a 10 guns thunderer without the superheal/advanced heal. such originality WG....instead of keep releasing half already mashed ships, they should fix the game. remove CV, remove subs, fix old t10 stats. I know i can dream lol
You are just wrong when it comes to the Montana getting citadels on that Slava because don't forget Slava has the Kremlin armor scheme which means it is angled in a way where it get thicker the higher impact angle you have so Montana with its slow shells well bounce Slava broadside at that range easily
PQ: Hey, I found a way to make this ship work, I just use HE sniping stuff
PQ earlier: The game got in a meta state of passive gameplay due to HE spamming and sniping BB's, subs and CV's
even when I love your content, just be honest and say it's a Thunderer blend and not worth the time, however you are exactly promoting this passive meta, WG is exactly pushing this agenda which is supersad...
As developer intended.
Leave the game or stay that what we got in 2023 man..
And i choose leave, but watching youtuber playing is fun nowdays.
I mean...do you want him to just constantly delves in a circlejerk of hate? He is just trying to bring up the positive of the line. The AP is crap, the armor is bad, but the HE is quite nice, speed is ok, and good concealment.
And like the game has been passive for a long time, after the CV rework and the addition of submarines to game, it is what it is honestly. You cannot stop, PQ cannot stop it, no one can really stop it.
you whacked 50k into a henri that wasnt spotted, not a schlieffen @11:50
Just go for Conqueror instead
"better hits at closer ranges"...story of the WHOLE IJN BB line it would seem :/
First :)
damn
another he spammer. great
FFs... Man im so done with this Game, so much HE allready and they again release shit like this.