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With this accuracy, if it had regular BB shells no one would play anything else. You're doing consistent damage, you just aren't getting citadels on ships with good armor. Feels like short fuses similar to British BBs.
Exactly, don't forget about the good reload it has
Nah.. RNG casino. Don't play large caliber guns in Warships. It's like spinning a Roulet wheel, or shootin craps.
It has terrible pen numbers. Montana can pen more armour at range than this joke ship. Instead of fixing stuff weegee brings out more half assed idiotic shit.
bruh, meck at 11km full broadside and does like 12k dmg... i can do more dmg in an iowa or even an NC
On the one side complaining that the game gets more and more passive and nobody is pushing, but on the otherside complaining that this battlecruiser is not dev striking every ship it catches showing broadside at 15km+ seems kinda odd to me. Stuff like 36k damage against a Hindenburg at a distance of 24km is why nobody is pushing anymore and playing cruisers gets more and more frustrating.
Well that depends on what its giving up. Ships like Vermont should absolutely be doing massive damage to long range targets if they show broadside.
Except if you catch a ship full broadside with big ass guns and you aim well, you should be rewarded.
People aren't pushing anymore because of CB's and subs and HE spam has basically killed any aggressive play. Now we have destroyers with radar.
Now I sit and watch players not shoot for two or three minutes in the game while their teammates get farmed down. The player base skill level has dropped dramatically
Thats the thinking of a BB main that sees cruisers and just wants big damage in the screen.
@@happycatto9555 And cruiser players just want to easily farm BBs with no consequences while complaining that their BBs aren't pushing up
@@Skerra-kk6smindeed
It has older type of 18"/457mm than Yamato with old shells like Mutsu
Like IRL these shells are very light for their caliber with gives them sub par penetration, because shells have less velocity the less remaining penetration they have they also preform bad again the prevalent at high tier spaced armor
Krupp only affect penetration, bounce chance is only affected by impact angle
i think it is not to bad that the pen is so low, the game need way less sniper ships :P
Blue Pill, Red Pill is literally the BB experience now that i’m thinking about that thumbnail
Bungo's AP shells share extremely similar values to those on Montana. Same per-shell damage, and their penetration properties are equal at 15 km. Montana pulls ahead slightly at long range, while Bungo is superior at closer ranges and has faster shells overall. They are light for 457mm shells, but certainly do work. Seems like PQ is running on vibes.
Very informative video. I'm sort of glad that the ship at range is weaker and is forced to push in a bit - we have enough sniper battleships already.
This ship is a step in the right direction.
250k damage isn't enough? I would hate to see it buffed much more. I feel the passive meta is from too much insta kill from long range map shots.
nahhhhhh The passive meta is because pushing in gets you targeted by the: cruiser behind an island, torp boat 7km away, sub pinging you, CV hitting you and taking minimal loses AND the BB trying to get cross shots. For pushing in and taking the aggro you get NOTHING in return :(
this looks like the Normal IJN Dispersion, IJN BB's are extremelly trolly, even Yamato, unlike most BB's the IJN shells like to fall short and high at the same time, thats why some of them can feel so frustrating to play, yes, some times the Aim Bug is there, but overall i really think that this is just how the guns are supposed to be, i recommend playing some of the other ijn battleships to see how usual this is, Amagi imo is the one that suffers the most (and these bb's are basically Amagis)
I have noticed that the jap guns have gotten more shotgunny in recent months.
My hypothesis as well as suggestion might be; when you are shooting at a broadside of a ship in 13km-18km or even longer range, the Bungo's shells seem to drop down more right before the impact than other BBs' shells. So with Bungo, you might wanna aim little higher (little above the waterline) even though the ship is going horizontally with you.
I don't play BBs often but when I play them, I expect certain ships, like American, Soviet, Japanese, maybe French BBs to do what I intended to do. You don't expect accurate shots with German and Italian ships.
So, from watching your Bungo and Tsurugi videos, I feel like they will be in between accurate and non-accurate BBs.
And since they are Battlecruisers, WG expect these ships to engage closer fights? When I play Daisen, T9 Japanese premium battlecruiser, I expect Daisen to play a normal BB role for the first half of the game and a brawler BB role at the end of the game. I believe Bungo's secondaries can be prolonged up to something like 10-12km? So Bungo could play partially as a brawler BB?
But since Bungo doesn't have torps, I have look more closely on Bungo's secondaris like reload time penetration etc.
But hey great videos and analysises. I appreciate them a lot. Educational and entertainning.
Best
I have found that jap shells do alot of plunging from range as well. Always aim higher, see if you can plunge the deck or upper belt
To be fair Vermont is still part of the slowest moving t10 bb’s so having better conceal helps counteract the speed when disengaging.
but other then that realistically there shouldn’t be giant bb’s having better conceal then some smaller one’s.
Always enjoy your videos! Great analysis and instructional helping the decision making process, whether or not to get the ship. Thanks PQ! o7
Thanks for sharing your honest review. I do plan to get the tiers 8-9 BB and all three camouflage. As for the Bungo, she can wait until WG releases her to the public.
I have always found aiming directly at the water line to be super inconsistent. Can’t aim at a specific spot when the game decides where the shells go. Always just picked a spot mid ship and hoped for the best.
I think the main issue is how stupid the armourscheme on most newer ships is goliath and minotaur just blow up by looking at them and SChlieffen just goes afk and is invincible. That combined with all the bugs and you have your meal ready.
IJN: “Cowabungo it is!”
I know, very unlikely, but have you ever considered that you are just aiming wrong?
No he thinks he's perfect lmfao. He has unrealistic expectations. He gets great salvos and numbers then complains because he isn't deleting a ship with every salvo. Bizarre.
@@berserker4940because other BB would delete those ships
@@miked5647 I mostly play Russian and German BBs so I never expect perfect accuracy
Definitely, I'm really first try this ship and yeah she's a Battlecruiser with a capable of powerful punch fot main battery gets more damage.
Also, a very good spotting aircraft which can access on dispersion is absolutely amazing
In world of tanks, we call this "German Accuracy." When the game code decides your shells aren't going to count, they don't. They just miss closer to the target. If you are so close, you can't possibly miss, the game seems to find excuses to repeatedly go into black holes like spaced armor, modules, or the one spec of armor thick/angled enough to technically bounce your shot. If it can't do that, it just ghosts, or lands outside the elipse. So, you get wierd crap like a full broadside BB HE salvo on a DD landing 7 of 9 HE Pens and doing 0 damage. Or firing 3 shots at 3 differnet locations only to watch the shells all land in the same spot and bounce. Or firing a shell that should have 250mm pen at 5 mm of broadside armor and watching it bounce. Or how you can semi-reliably guess where a stationary DD is hiding in smoke by launching torps and looking for the gap. I strongly suspect it's why they add so much "RNG" into the game: To hide it.
This ship with 12-15 (6x2 or 5x3 with current hull) Izumo guns instead of 10 weird 457s, but otherwise unchanged would be much more interesting IMO.
11:06 Sometimes, it's easy to foget just how big some battleships are, and just how small submarines can be. That U-190 next to the Bungo just looks so small
What battleships do think are most consistent?
i fully agree that bbs can be more consistent but your expectations feel a little high sometimes
Giving a ship WWI-era AP is one of a handful of "pre-nerfs" that slimy WG uses to market/sell ship with the impression it's better than it really is. You don't notice it until after you buy it. Other classic tricks are taking away one heal from the norm and reduced ASW range. They did these with Ashitaka, Hizen, Anchorage, Fenyang, etc.
5:30 I don't think that's the Bungo problem, but aim bug, i never till this day had hit citadel on CV when aiming waterline, shells always fall short and rarely even gets a hit, but if i aim at hull half way above the water i always hit the citadel. That always happens on CV's for me
Bongo's 457mm cannons remind me of Mutsu's 406mm WWI era shells on top of IJN dispersion.
If they do that then you would just get another slava
Bingo seems to have cannonballs instead of shells for its guns. Even the RN short fuse stuff has better pen it seems.
Is this the kind of ship where you run heavy AP shells?
Bungo just shows how dumb and broken this game’s aiming system is
At this point im sure the reason they haven't fixed the aim bugs is because its somehow tied to a critical part of the game working. If they fix it the game will crash on start up.
They seriously need to overhaul the entire aiming system the inconsistency is painful at this point
Can you test the he damage from long range??
I never get the higher "overview" aim when I launch a spotter plane. Is this a setting somewhere?
Use spotter, while it is up press C
How can I get Bungo? I havent got many money. What is the cheapest solution?
25k into a Gk and still not enough? Man, what do you expexct? The funny part is: its a consistent ship with consistent damage, so when played from the right positions, doing anything else then just camping the 1 Line, this ship has some serious potential. Even in my Vincent I dont expect devstrikes everywhere or 30k+ salvos (although they happen) ... so lower your expectations a bit and you wont be so disappointed.
🎼 Well it's Bungo in the jungle 🎼
I think the AP performance hit was intentional. This game really does not need a line of 'battleships' which will encourage more BB hide at the back and snipe ineffectively. WGing would do better to make it more viable for BBs to be the tip of the spear and for cruisers to actually not die so easily.
what is made of that schlieffen????
I did notice something, with an old monitor, the geometrics of the ships seem to be badly positioned depending on the resolution, I lost a monitor so I changed to an old one with a lower resolution, I did hit the more often the cits for some weird reason, I do not know why this happens, but I will say give it a try and test it.
Another informative video PQ
thanks for reading chat on stream yesterday , this ship is soo so weird.. it was frustrating to watch the live lol. I hope they buff the bungo shells.
as someone who just unlocked the frederick der grosser, watching that dispersion makes me wanna throw up. i might just stop progressing alltogether and just keep playing my bismarck
I got a feeling that once u get to the detection range area HE spitting would be better. Butttt I think the true thing of this ship is to be a Cruiser Killer. What is the spotting range if anyone knows?
Thank You o/
Not good experience Patato 😊.
I am a new in this game and I need one small informacion.
When start BlackFriday?
Tnx
One of the best cruiser hunter in the game, yet the game is asking for more than that
recently, i played Bungo a lots, but with HE focus. Her dispersion speads out vertically, thats why on the video, its pretty hard to hit much citadel on a broadside ship. So if you try to hit a angled ship, she could do some decent damage. To me, with the spotter-plane on, i could do every salvo hit more than 7 hits, and do around 15k damages, sometime 20k damages, and on fire! - of course. My favorite enemies are those German BB, they usually pointing their nose at me, and they are biggg, and its easy to hit their ship, while im just kiting and doing 10k damages least each salvo, and on fire. My average damage is 150k each match with HE focus. Try kiting and doing damage with HE, she's great.
I thought the same thing, it plays like a slava, just with 457s, that hit like 406.
krupp is just a multiplier to pen
that's why ships like petro have stupid high pen despite smaller shells
doesn't affect normalization or autobounce or anything like that, just a nice and simple multiplier to pen (afaik)
Damn I didnt even realize the shells were so bad. Like checking on shiptools they gave this thing 457s with basically montana levels of alpha / pen. Past 17km it literally has worse pen than the schlieffen lmao
Imagine if Bungo was a heavy cruiser instead, it could have access to the Eye in the Sky commander skill.
The Bungo is similar to the band Oingo Bingo. Both are one “hit” wonders with names that make being a fan awkward to admit to.
Looks like the shell curve of Bungo is more like American BB, where they plunging downwards on targets, hence they don't really hit cits like you planned to do from broadside.
From the higher spotter plane view shells appear to fall really steeply but it's only a trick of the camera, if you follow the shells trajectory in flight you will see.
They really should have just given these ships Izumo 410s, have great pen, get great accuracy off the funni plane, but you dont have the overmatch. Woulda been a lot better against broadsides, but ships can angle to it, cruisers especially.
Really hate how every new BB of late just fucks cruisers, as a BB main myself.
I’d play a fifteen gun Izumo, those guns absolutely slap.
@@matthewyang7893 nah I was thinking just double turrets, like Daisen turrets that also have Izumo guns.
Almost every new BB has 30mm+ overmatch and its just boring. Izumo guns hardly get used, would like to see them get some more love, and would have been fitting for this line.
@@BigD321 not to mention that they preform like Slava guns
@@BigD321 I just want to see never were Japanese battleships and battlecruisers like those seen in Tzoli's works in Deviantart get some love.
Just play the Slava if you want consistent broadside citadel. I think Bungo is fairly balance and if it too consistent in citadel ships left and right it is will the most OP ship. Even Slava can have bad dispersion at times.
So t10 amagi with better accuracy is worst than the amagi her self ?
While it might not be a worthwhile the early access, it does seem like a nice line to go for. Looks much more consistent than the Yammy. If this ship was as consistent as you expect it, it would really fuck up the meta. Those salvos you complain about are not really that bad - at least you get consistent full pens rather than random bounces and shatters. You seem to be disappointed that it does not perform as you think 2.2 sigma should perform but what you are really disappointed with is the lack of citadels (which is not really up to sigma or dispersion). Seems a bit unfair to the ship :D In any case, looking forward to playing with this one - seems much more enjoyable than a Vermont (which, in my experience, has the same issue with citadels as the Bungo).
Obligatory Neustrashimy video request :))
It seems to do a lot more damage than my G.K. Not sure what you're complaining about. If I could get that kind of accuracy and damage from longer distances, I'd be ecstatic. My G.K. seems to think that bracketing a target with shells is more useful than actually hitting it. Maybe it just likes getting the decks of enemy ships wet.
so you want every bb to be op?
For a class that is focused on taking perfect shots that need a lot of planning / maneuvering to accomplish, this is absurd. I'm a BB main and the aim bugs are so damn frustrating.
Its not aim bugs, the ship has garbage vertical dispersion
@@CorsairCombat13Japanese BB dispersion in a nutshell
Most so called aim bugs are bad shots with player assuming they will hit perfect
@@solace6633 IJN BB dispersion is notoriously trolly and expecting perfect salvos with this line has PQ completely miss the very thing about IJN BB dispersion.
oh man that schlieffen 💀
Krupp is “shell hardness”
that schelfien lol, he had the hand of god on him.
I wonder if it has shorter fuse on the AP, like instead of the 0.03 fuse, it has a 0.02 fuse. Longer than the 0.01 fuse on the british
I checked it’s normal .033
Maybe Yama vid next for some comparison?
shell damage is 406mm level, penetration like weaker than 410mm
not sure we need more slava's in game.
can u play this on HE~?
Regarding the "not enough pen" - it is weird, because the pen is on-par or better than that of Montana... That said, they even have the same damage. So... they are effectively THE Montana guns. It even has BETTER Krupp than Montana. (2520 vs 2574 = same Krupp as Yamato)
You can't expect better dispersion when this thing has 12 km detect. It's simply not fair for any cruiser
I'm surprised someone hasn't found a way to disable autoaim/assist if I'm honest.
i guess there is something with the aim system...im shooting at a broadside Satsuma 12km away and nothing....
What is your favorite BB?
Hmm maybe this ship is supposed to sort of "farm" the CVs
Div up with a CV mate and try CV sniping?
i think the ship youre looking for is slava. "i would rather see this ship loose some of its overmatch and gain an ability to actually pen things at longer ranges, do more consistent citadel damage." - thats literally slava. you have the same thing going on, 25mm bow&stern, 32mm mid deck, pretty low HP, extreme accuracy, low shell damage compared to other BBs with similar caliber. the only different between the two really is bungo has the 457mm overmatch, and slava has better long range pen. thus slava can punish broadsides at any ranges, but can be angled against by practically everything. bungo doesnt have the pen to punish broadsides at longer ranges, but can overmatch cruisers in return, giving it more consistent damage. their basically the same ship concept, just two variations of it.
It has laser guided shells and then complain about the damage. That's just creating an issue where there is none.
Apparently OP shell accuracy on a BB isn't good enough
I’m still can’t get over with Japanese 457. I wish they just slap 460 but again, that will cause even more issues. Imagine super accurate Spotter Battleship with 10 460s caught a broadside on a ships like Yamato or Monty.
This ship has terrible vertical dispersion, even at close ranges, so shells will offen bracket the ship. Even Horizontal dispersion isnt very good.
Stop complaining about the aiming bug....
I think you re too harsh on this ship. It just suffers from the same problem all BBs have and that is rng dispersion plus aiming bugs.
Id take 23-28k on a broadside GK any day tbh, the superstructure full pens often do less damage because of saturation.
That Incomp at 1:53 was never broadsiding enough to get citadels. Look at his angle when the shells did land.
For the nose in cruisers i often have to settle with only two full pens from 10km even with my Vermont. Its the horizontal spread vs a slim target that screws you over in this case.
And then there were cases in which you aimed too high on purpose to play around the shells land short bug but it results in overpens cause the bug doesnt always happen. Its frustration plus the game trolling. Again not the Bungos fault.
Finally 21:43 really smells like lock on bug.
For me much of what you told sounded like conformation bias. Because when we knew of its stats and gimmick we were fooled into believing that we got a really reliable BB here. But Rng dispersion is still rng dispersion. Same for the aiming bugs.
No hate. Just a point of view.
If this ship had regular 457 shells, it would be completely broken, let's be real. Clearly this ship is meant to target at medium range for consistent damage, with a better chance of dev strikes at short range, and that's fine. If you want massive damage at long range, the Ohio and Vermont can't be beat. Overall, these new ships are balanced and that's a good thing.
So based on your video of the tier 9 in this line and seeing some of the comments. Can you test a common statement to see if aiming at the center as opposed to the waterline produces better results? Sort of like a video like you did with the single shot vs full salvo. BBs now are far less fun because of 4 things. SUBs, the long range meta, aiming consistency and the fact that there are far too many HE spammers and overmatch capable ships. I have slowly moved towards cruisers because BBs just seem to be there to soak up damage unless you are a unicum or get a very good shot. I mean, I regularly get more cits with an Agir or Stalin than I do with most BBs which seems a bit backwards.
Apparently this ship shares the same gun caliber as the vermont and is 0.1 inches short of yamato guns?
yeahhh I don't believe that.
I would give anything for an off-brand version of WoWs.
Krupp value is really apparent with Shikishima/Satsuma, biggest guns in the game with super low shell drag and it maintains its pen well at range, but damn do I not trust the shells to pen anything but the flattest of broadsides past 10km
Yes there are reason for it look it has 1800 Krupp the same as Oklahoma and that’s the reason why her ap sucks but shiki has incredible pen curves through the board so giving her 2500 would give her bonkers penetration in this game which would be very true for a 510mm shell but wargaming
bro is dissapointed it doesnt auto delete every ship
I think you ask for far more than the game usually gives. If you are a new player that comments on the ship could fit but you are an experienced player you should know the state of the game. I had a game last day where I played with bourgogne and a flat broad side des moins within 13km took 9 over pen no cits no full pen from me and that des moins carried the game in the end with 15k hp left. I felt like I've just been robbed. This is the state of the game.
Acurracy perfect, I really liked bungo.
Kinda rough when you say you expect 30k on a broadside, i am happy when I get 10 - 15k on a broadside in my german BBs :(
I think PQ really is expecting too much tbh. 30k on a GK? That only happens in a high-alpha BB (Monty, Vermont, etc.) AND the GK is unsaturated.
Bungo should have the pen to citadel BB's outside 17 km? Bro, that's why the game is so campy to begin with. Not to mention, any BB that outspots its same-tier cruisers shouldn't be effective outside ~17 km. At least you can dodge slow Vermont shells, and Schlieffen only has 8 406's, but this is why everyone hated Thunderer.
Dispersion has to be RNG based because of overmatch. If every shot went exactly where you aim, ships that get overmatched would be unplayable, and ships that don't overmatch would be the weakest in the game.
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its called RNG... and thank God it exist... can you imagine 100% guaranty amazing salvos? everyone will play even farther back and the gap on good vs bad players will be much bigger...that will have a negative effect overall to this game.... its not that i want to support the company...truly... but i have to say the overall doing a good job on balancing for an online co-op game ...ive played many many online games with some of them fully pay to win tactic...at least this one is not that bad
Is not bug comrade, is feature!
These 457mm shells have the lowest per shell alpha amongst all the 457mm shells in the gun. American 457mm shells do 15,750 per shell, Soviet 457mm do 14,500 per shell, German 457mm 15,000 per shell. Problem with the Bungo when it is not hitting citadels is the low alpha per shell. Iowa and Monatana do 13,100 per shell and they hit like a truck. This one won't for obvious reasons, but I think it might not be designed to be played at range, hence the underwhelming shell Performance at long range?😊
Can you use the Commanders spotting plane skill to take more advantage of the 20% buff?
That's a cruiser skill
Eye in the sky is a cruiser skill
Thanks, guys.
German Battlecruiser too angry to die
The ship looks fairly fun and balanced. It seems like it should be played kiting at ~15km so it can dump torps at pushing BBs. Any better at hitting cits and it would be a problem for the meta
Bungo has no torps
@@stefanocrosazzo3262 Ope, you're right. I confused it with the tier 9 premium. Thanks for correcting me!
PQ, Sclieffen has an underwater citadel, so it is quite hard to hit
But it has somewhat of a cheek
Sure, PQ hit the Schlieffen under the rear turrets and got citadels, but generally it is hard to citadel one. Kremlin is actually easier to citadel than a Schlieffen.
I find that they over penatrate or under penatrate.
Here's the thing: almost all the shots you complained about the guns on were pure hitreg issues. You see all 10 hit the target, and you see 2 overpen, 3 pen, 1 riccochet. 4 literally pass through as if it wasn't there. Saw this over and over.
Bungo might be OP if the hitreg fucking worked.
@PQ they nerfed the t8 and t9 spotter plane from 20% to 10% buff so maybe they also nerfed the t10 without saying so. You know how WG does things.