Wow. You did a fantastic job of putting it into perspective just how old Lorenzo IS, by driving it home that he was born BEFORE the civil war! It's no longer just a few numbers that my brain doesn't process, anymore!
One thing I didn’t notice you or anyone in the community mention is that the various statues you can see on buildings (especially in fallout 3) have almost the exact same crowns on their head as Lorenzo Cabot in fallout 4. It’s definitely a huge connection the developers are making. Also those statues on buildings aren’t just a Bethesda thing. Remember the very first thing we see in Fallout 1 is a destroyed city and one of these ominous other worldly statue faces are there staring right at us. On top of all that what do we find in fallout 4 when we reach the bottom of Dunwich borrers? A giant Statue staring right back at us. The same one we see on architecture all through out the series. They are the precursor gods/civilization that have pulled the strings on everything in the fallout universe from the very beginning.
I'd never noticed that, honestly. I knew they were based on the Art Deco architecture that was popular at the beginning of the last century, these statues usually show angels or gods from real world mythology, but the statue above the door of the cathedral in Fallout 1, which looks a lot like the Syracuse Savings Bank's angel statue, has architecture behind it that is almost the same as Cabot's crown and, as you said, FO4's statue crowns. Very interesting.
@@alexandertiberius1098 I never knew there were some of these statues in real life as well that’s interesting. I wonder where they will take this in fallout 5. I doubt they really do anything too supernatural. Outside of a side quest like the Cabots.
@@maxgoss5653 I've always loved Art Deco architecture, we have some of it here in England, but nothing like the weird, imposing stuff America has. I like the idea of a precursor civilisation. Them having technology based psychic abilities of some kind, like Lorenzo does, could also explain the weird things that happen inside the Dunwich excavation; perhaps instead of supernatural visions, what we're seeing is psychic projections of people that have been "recorded" in some way.
@@alexandertiberius1098 for sure I’ve been playing through assassins creed again lately and it made me realize that they kinda already did this precursor civilization idea. But I think that what they are going for in fallout is something more lovecraftian. But yeah the statues having the same crown as Lorenzo is something I haven’t heard anyone mention.
Would be on-point if you could suggest it and the Institute rejects it because they don't know how it works, then the vial gets taken by biosciences and you never hear about it again.
Bethesda should make a spinoff game set in the 1890s where you accompany Lorenzo on his expedition to Ubar and must fight bandits, mad cultists, mercenaries employed by rival treasure hunters, wild animals, aliens, and eldritch abominations
@@ternativeit could be, if the great great great great great grandfather of the Vault Tech rep happens to be caddying for the Cabots. I dunno, he just seems like the kinda eccentric guy to be into that sort of stuff. Also, I like the idea that Vault Tech as a company are secretly involved with Dunwich. Seems like something shady they might do; where else would they get all that lead for their vaults?
@vexile1239 He does not honor the sixth house and the tribe unmourned since he doesn't use his powers to drive the mongral dogs of the empire out of Morrowind.
i had a speculation that Lorenzo's story was going to continue within FO4, but that never happened, and i would picture him becoming a god to the children of Atom as they are the easiest to influence and he would fit in that role so well, if a modder wanted to make that into a quest mod, i would lend my voice his way to make that story happen. it kind of sucks because the cabot family aren't ever really talked about when thinking of parallel to the institute, you would think the institute would have caught wind of the cabot family and maybe spied on them and tried to learn their secrets, but no the vanilla game never has anything to do with the cabot family in any way, i mean bethesda did some stuff for other DLC content to be used with, but it just feels like there was more of a story that was meant to be with lorenzo's story. i once took him as a follower by forcing him to be my follower and that was a fun playthrough, and despite how strong the lore suggest he is, he's really not that powerful in game, which is sad because i would really want to see him in action.
Yes! This video perfectly encaptulates what I've been thinking. This quest has to be one of my favorite quests in fallout for these exact reasons. Also the tone and atmosphere are so well put together throughout this quest when you slowly uncover the mystery and finally meet lorenzo. It made me feel super uneasy especially roaming cabot house and parsons state because it really does feel like you're being watched throughout this quest. This is a really well made video.
The developers took bits of a number of Lovecraft's stories and wove them into the Lorenzo Cabot story. There isn't a whole lot more to this than embellishing Lovecraft in order not to seem to be deliberately plagiarizing his works. I can find numerous parallels in the Cabot story with at least four of Lovecraft's short stories and novellas. I applaud your imagination with this but I really suggest you read some Lovecraft. You'll be surprised at the similarities.
I want to see a series of humorous sketches about Lorenzo when he comes home and from his expedition and won’t take his crown off. Showering with it on, trying to sleep and his wife is complaining, hitting his head on doorways etc.
Ever since I read a comment that Fallout is very subtly but not unintentionally Lovecraftian, the way FEV works and how strangely radiation behaves, the weird circumstances preceding the mutually assured destruction of the Great War, the Children of Atom’s mysterious powers, the existence of psykers (mostly after radiation and mutated FEV enveloped the known world), Zetans and precursor races, all make sense through a Lovecraft lens. TLDR; Atom is a Lovecraftian god being and The Master was his vessel
I don't think Lorenzo became evil until his son locked him away. He was in solitary confinement for centuries. Yeah, he's gonna be a bit crazy. I think that Jack discovered the compound and stuffed daddy away AFTER that so he could continue bloodletting his own father.
This might sound really stupid but the imprint on the the top of the crown reminds me a lot of the bioshock logo from the first game. It looks kinda like the staues of rapture seen in the game aswell. Could be a small Easter egg
Maybe the crown is a Zetan artifact. I was thinking they're green because of the Saurian Hypothesis that states dinosaurs could've evolved and had a civilization on Earth. When the asteroid was about to hit Earth they left and found another planet. Besides the aliens are little green men.
Here’s a question regarding the Cabot’s, are any of them involved in the great game? For those who don’t know, the great game is conflict between various high rank/high society Prewar individuals who survived the Great War, it is featured in FO3 points lookout DLC.
Y’know what’s really telling about the Cabot House questline, if you let Lorenzo go. He doesn’t go on and empty entire towns or blow up the commonwealth. He just does scientific research on wasteland creatures and ghouls. You can argue that him killing said creatures and ghouls is wrong, but it’s the wasteland. People kill each other daily, surely we shouldn’t judge Lorenzo on that. We, the player kill people all the time in the game. Lorenzo, is relatively harmless to the commonwealth as a whole.
I love this! Lorenzo Cabot is so cool! I would love to see him in the next Fallout game! Yes, him being in the Fallout TV series would be sick! I always save him in every playthrough! Liked & Subbed! Great vid, keep up the good work!
@@FalloutLorecast I'm hopeful we get to see a continuation into the storyline; it's one of many immensely fascinating quests that I couldn't get enough of.
This is a awsome presentation. Tho after lisening to it, a thought came to mind as far a Fallout Lore and its question of then the History Split. i think you may have answered that question. if there was a Cabot Family in our own History then that is where it origianlly spit lol.. just a wild thought.
The cabbots are a composite. Some loosely based on the Kellogg family (yes the cereal people) but the name refers to the Cabot family of Vermont. Were a big deal in New England back in the day, still moderately significant in Vermont but nowhere near the influence they used to have.
As a large reader with autism levels of research into the ocult and the silly goofy book boi lovecraft and his cat ( im not a official source) im just a autistic man but cabot put the "relic" on his head and it changed him not only on a mental level but physically too his dna would have to be changed (1/2%) off a normal human explaning his age and life span but what i cant explain is the live forever syrum
I stop here. The 1800s were a huge time for occult/archeology. Also, those stories didn't just come back. They're being used again. FO3/4 both just copy and paste w.e people are posting/is in the news. Those bodies aren't genetically different from humans. They're also not real. After the Mexican independence movement, charlatans arose. They claimed to have knowledge of the ancient Aztec's religion. This was made more popular, by the fact the Spanish brought Christianity, also because shorted indigenous looking Mexicans, were treated the way black folks were in America. Some places, they still are. Hence, a lot of migrants flee Mexico to get away from the taller(spaniard) looking for Mexicans. Being short and having a sloped forehead is a huge thing in Mexico and other parts of latin America. Do a little more research, before stating sources. Just because, someone may know what you're talking about, from before google messed with search results, lol. Miscarriages and viruses that no longer exist, explain away most of the BS. If aliens exist(they do), they're just humans, from another plane of existence, or a different spot in space. Hell, they're probably us in the future. All time exists on the same plane, and all life moves as one.
Only 462? Naw he's still got 58 years to pay back the enclave for the armor he lost
YOU'RE OUT OF UNIFORM SOLDIER WHERE IS YOUR POWER ARMOR!!
The terror of Lorenzo in Enclave power armor is pure nightmare fuel
Wow. You did a fantastic job of putting it into perspective just how old Lorenzo IS, by driving it home that he was born BEFORE the civil war! It's no longer just a few numbers that my brain doesn't process, anymore!
I read this as the Great War and thought ‘oh but so is SS’, then I realised you said *civil* war and I was like holy mother of-
ooh civil war which one
The samurai was in cryro suspension for most of that time.
Agreed
Doesnt have the same weight
One thing I didn’t notice you or anyone in the community mention is that the various statues you can see on buildings (especially in fallout 3) have almost the exact same crowns on their head as Lorenzo Cabot in fallout 4. It’s definitely a huge connection the developers are making. Also those statues on buildings aren’t just a Bethesda thing. Remember the very first thing we see in Fallout 1 is a destroyed city and one of these ominous other worldly statue faces are there staring right at us. On top of all that what do we find in fallout 4 when we reach the bottom of Dunwich borrers? A giant Statue staring right back at us. The same one we see on architecture all through out the series. They are the precursor gods/civilization that have pulled the strings on everything in the fallout universe from the very beginning.
I'd never noticed that, honestly. I knew they were based on the Art Deco architecture that was popular at the beginning of the last century, these statues usually show angels or gods from real world mythology, but the statue above the door of the cathedral in Fallout 1, which looks a lot like the Syracuse Savings Bank's angel statue, has architecture behind it that is almost the same as Cabot's crown and, as you said, FO4's statue crowns.
Very interesting.
@@alexandertiberius1098 I never knew there were some of these statues in real life as well that’s interesting. I wonder where they will take this in fallout 5. I doubt they really do anything too supernatural. Outside of a side quest like the Cabots.
@@maxgoss5653 I've always loved Art Deco architecture, we have some of it here in England, but nothing like the weird, imposing stuff America has.
I like the idea of a precursor civilisation. Them having technology based psychic abilities of some kind, like Lorenzo does, could also explain the weird things that happen inside the Dunwich excavation; perhaps instead of supernatural visions, what we're seeing is psychic projections of people that have been "recorded" in some way.
@@alexandertiberius1098 for sure I’ve been playing through assassins creed again lately and it made me realize that they kinda already did this precursor civilization idea. But I think that what they are going for in fallout is something more lovecraftian. But yeah the statues having the same crown as Lorenzo is something I haven’t heard anyone mention.
they do look like those heads in the dwener ruins on skyrim, so i guess skyrim evolves into fallout
Of all the characters in the fallout series he's the one I'd like to talk to. You know he has answers, except on how to get out of a jail cell...
But he had the answer, you! (If you freed him 😂)
Why didn't the Protagonist give his dying son 'Father' a dose of the Serum to cure his cancer?
Bc fuck Father
Would be on-point if you could suggest it and the Institute rejects it because they don't know how it works, then the vial gets taken by biosciences and you never hear about it again.
There's a mod where you can do that
Because Emil is a talentless hack?
The serum cures rads not cancer
Bethesda should make a spinoff game set in the 1890s where you accompany Lorenzo on his expedition to Ubar and must fight bandits, mad cultists, mercenaries employed by rival treasure hunters, wild animals, aliens, and eldritch abominations
That would be assume! It could probably go crazy with psychological horror too since it is not a mainline Fallout game at that point.
Please don’t do that at that point it’s not fallout Lmaoo
@@ternativeofc the guy with the grumpy pipboy pfp says it's not fallout 😂😂 it ain't that deep
That would be more along the lines of assassins creed lol
@@ternativeit could be, if the great great great great great grandfather of the Vault Tech rep happens to be caddying for the Cabots. I dunno, he just seems like the kinda eccentric guy to be into that sort of stuff. Also, I like the idea that Vault Tech as a company are secretly involved with Dunwich. Seems like something shady they might do; where else would they get all that lead for their vaults?
He knows dagoth ur on a first name basis
But does he honour the sixth house and the tribe unmourned?
@vexile1239 He does not honor the sixth house and the tribe unmourned since he doesn't use his powers to drive the mongral dogs of the empire out of Morrowind.
Has anyone ever actually seen him and Dagoth Ur in the same room?
@@BansheeKing22 no but he drives the mongrel dogs from Cabot house
I know your mom on a first name basis! Oh!
Lorenzo is one of my favorite fallout characters, I really hope we see him again.
i had a speculation that Lorenzo's story was going to continue within FO4, but that never happened, and i would picture him becoming a god to the children of Atom as they are the easiest to influence and he would fit in that role so well, if a modder wanted to make that into a quest mod, i would lend my voice his way to make that story happen.
it kind of sucks because the cabot family aren't ever really talked about when thinking of parallel to the institute, you would think the institute would have caught wind of the cabot family and maybe spied on them and tried to learn their secrets, but no the vanilla game never has anything to do with the cabot family in any way, i mean bethesda did some stuff for other DLC content to be used with, but it just feels like there was more of a story that was meant to be with lorenzo's story.
i once took him as a follower by forcing him to be my follower and that was a fun playthrough, and despite how strong the lore suggest he is, he's really not that powerful in game, which is sad because i would really want to see him in action.
Yes! This video perfectly encaptulates what I've been thinking. This quest has to be one of my favorite quests in fallout for these exact reasons. Also the tone and atmosphere are so well put together throughout this quest when you slowly uncover the mystery and finally meet lorenzo. It made me feel super uneasy especially roaming cabot house and parsons state because it really does feel like you're being watched throughout this quest. This is a really well made video.
Lorenzo is probably my favorite character in the entire fallout universe
He is a madman, yet it seems to imply that he, for whatever eldritch reason, considers you a good friend and you are exempt from being killed by him.
The developers took bits of a number of Lovecraft's stories and wove them into the Lorenzo Cabot story. There isn't a whole lot more to this than embellishing Lovecraft in order not to seem to be deliberately plagiarizing his works. I can find numerous parallels in the Cabot story with at least four of Lovecraft's short stories and novellas.
I applaud your imagination with this but I really suggest you read some Lovecraft. You'll be surprised at the similarities.
The artifact contains all the knowledge from M'aiq the Liar
Which one? M'aiq or his father M'aiq or his father's father M'aiq?
@@themonolougist All of them, Lorenzo mentions a civilization
M'aiq knows many things
@@themonolougist Yes
M'aiq may even know your Netflix login and password
I know it has nothing to do with it, but have you seen that Mama Merfi's earrings have the same design as the crown
I wonder if he took off the crown if he would age super fast and die?
I want to see a series of humorous sketches about Lorenzo when he comes home and from his expedition and won’t take his crown off. Showering with it on, trying to sleep and his wife is complaining, hitting his head on doorways etc.
I can imagine being 450 years old. I’m sure it’ll go by fast.
Ever since I read a comment that Fallout is very subtly but not unintentionally Lovecraftian, the way FEV works and how strangely radiation behaves, the weird circumstances preceding the mutually assured destruction of the Great War, the Children of Atom’s mysterious powers, the existence of psykers (mostly after radiation and mutated FEV enveloped the known world), Zetans and precursor races, all make sense through a Lovecraft lens.
TLDR; Atom is a Lovecraftian god being and The Master was his vessel
Your channel is über underrated. I thoroughly enjoy your content so....thank you for making an autistic Fallout fanatic so happy!
I don't think Lorenzo became evil until his son locked him away. He was in solitary confinement for centuries. Yeah, he's gonna be a bit crazy. I think that Jack discovered the compound and stuffed daddy away AFTER that so he could continue bloodletting his own father.
You quoted Edgar Allen Poe's "The Raven" when you were speculating about Lorenzo's role in the H.P. Lovecraft easter eggs.
The more you know.
This might sound really stupid but the imprint on the the top of the crown reminds me a lot of the bioshock logo from the first game. It looks kinda like the staues of rapture seen in the game aswell. Could be a small Easter egg
Maybe the crown is a Zetan artifact. I was thinking they're green because of the Saurian Hypothesis that states dinosaurs could've evolved and had a civilization on Earth. When the asteroid was about to hit Earth they left and found another planet. Besides the aliens are little green men.
Why show Hancock ... he wasnt alive before the war .. hes only 50ish .. got goulified by a drug .. he's McDunahs little brother
hmn, interesting, i have never seen him leave the Cabot house, i have never come across him in any other place outside parsons and the Cabot house.
Here’s a question regarding the Cabot’s, are any of them involved in the great game?
For those who don’t know, the great game is conflict between various high rank/high society Prewar individuals who survived the Great War, it is featured in FO3 points lookout DLC.
from what i know, no
Y’know what’s really telling about the Cabot House questline, if you let Lorenzo go. He doesn’t go on and empty entire towns or blow up the commonwealth.
He just does scientific research on wasteland creatures and ghouls. You can argue that him killing said creatures and ghouls is wrong, but it’s the wasteland. People kill each other daily, surely we shouldn’t judge Lorenzo on that. We, the player kill people all the time in the game. Lorenzo, is relatively harmless to the commonwealth as a whole.
Oh, it seemed like you were kind of struggling with the wife's name. So I hope I can help out. It's pronounced "Will- eh- me- nuh" 😉
I love this! Lorenzo Cabot is so cool! I would love to see him in the next Fallout game! Yes, him being in the Fallout TV series would be sick! I always save him in every playthrough! Liked & Subbed! Great vid, keep up the good work!
I just came across this story quest the other night, and it blew my mind for min.
Then I quickly sided with him over his family😂
Nice. Yeah, it's a pretty great quest line. Just have to wonder what he gets up to after he leaves.
@@FalloutLorecast I'm hopeful we get to see a continuation into the storyline; it's one of many immensely fascinating quests that I couldn't get enough of.
This is a awsome presentation.
Tho after lisening to it, a thought came to mind as far a Fallout Lore and its question of then the History Split. i think you may have answered that question.
if there was a Cabot Family in our own History then that is where it origianlly spit lol.. just a wild thought.
The cabbots are a composite. Some loosely based on the Kellogg family (yes the cereal people) but the name refers to the Cabot family of Vermont. Were a big deal in New England back in the day, still moderately significant in Vermont but nowhere near the influence they used to have.
Love thud! Thanks so much!
Lorenzo won't appear in future Fallout titles because he can die in Fallout 4. However, his crown might.
I thought hancock became a ghoul after the bombs fell, not to nitpick but hes brothers with mayor mcdonugh (spoilers: was)
Have you been a Fallout New Vegas Voice actor?
As a large reader with autism levels of research into the ocult and the silly goofy book boi lovecraft and his cat ( im not a official source) im just a autistic man but cabot put the "relic" on his head and it changed him not only on a mental level but physically too his dna would have to be changed (1/2%) off a normal human explaning his age and life span but what i cant explain is the live forever syrum
yo why am i in the video at 6:11
cool video
God emperor 4 life!
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
You ought to read about a guy named Methusela.
Hancock didn’t live before the war bud….
Source is Oxhorn & The Epicnate13
I stop here. The 1800s were a huge time for occult/archeology. Also, those stories didn't just come back. They're being used again. FO3/4 both just copy and paste w.e people are posting/is in the news.
Those bodies aren't genetically different from humans. They're also not real. After the Mexican independence movement, charlatans arose. They claimed to have knowledge of the ancient Aztec's religion. This was made more popular, by the fact the Spanish brought Christianity, also because shorted indigenous looking Mexicans, were treated the way black folks were in America. Some places, they still are. Hence, a lot of migrants flee Mexico to get away from the taller(spaniard) looking for Mexicans. Being short and having a sloped forehead is a huge thing in Mexico and other parts of latin America.
Do a little more research, before stating sources. Just because, someone may know what you're talking about, from before google messed with search results, lol.
Miscarriages and viruses that no longer exist, explain away most of the BS.
If aliens exist(they do), they're just humans, from another plane of existence, or a different spot in space. Hell, they're probably us in the future. All time exists on the same plane, and all life moves as one.
Ai is getting good
What do you mean?