One thing a lot of people don't talk about is in the DLC Old World Blues and Lonesome Road it is stated that the military had these chips that you could trade for items you needed for your job for luxuries but it turned out that it was basically the style of a bottle cap that was The Lonesome Road reason
East coast bottle caps were explained in fallout seventy six. It was an actual pre-war nukka cola promotion at the white Spring that carried over into the Apocalypse.By the robots running the building. Apologies for the poor grammar and spelling but i'm using voice to text
Actual post-government currencies in use where things like cigarettes. (Berlin after the war, and also often in prisons). Something that has an intrinsic value, is easily tradable, hard to copy (without resources), light and sufficiently small to handle it. The thing itself does not need to be consumable, if there is some authority that hold the promise to exchange it for something consumable. That however needs a certain level of trust.
Think about it like this: bottle caps are standardized, they’re hard to replicate without lots of machinery and material, and the only other things that share that property in the wasteland are medicine and ammo, which both share the problem that there’s a lot of versions of them both and that your enemies could potentially use them against you, which caps have neither issue. There’s also millions of bottle caps scattered about from the pre war meaning that there’s room for the economy to grow, you don’t get to a point where a piece of bread is worth less than a cap and the whole economy breaks
A bit late for the party, but... why caps? Well, hints to a convincing, in-game lore explaination already exist in Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4. # and 4 have the Nuka Cola campaigns, the pre-war ones. Nuka World had bottle caps exchanged for memorabilia, toys and little prizes, and, New Vegas had the blue star caps, for the Sasparilla campaign. Both pre-war. Now, the sweet spot for this, is the time between the nuclear holocaust and the games timeline. Even if Fallout 76 is a few decades after the bombs, it's still ... decades. Enough time for most of the surviving children, and teenagers, that were collecting bottlecaps, and, most likely held onto their prized possessions throughout the bombs, to still clinge into the idea that their caps are extremely valuable. Sure, they'd never get to exchange them for a free nuka cola, or meet the sherriff in Vegas, but, they still felt valuable. And, at some point, all those surviving kids became adults. Adults with one thing in common. Their establ;ished belief that bottlecaps are valuable. Not a set value per single cap, yet, but enough vague notion to begin trading with them as currency. And, through time, unavoidable arguments, many of which violent and lethal, a consensus was set, that one single bottlecap has a very specific value. The Hub, of course finetuned it to a set value that was universally agreed upon, namely one cap equals one water bottle. But, even that was establ;ished long after these early survivors had spread the, yet unstable, new currency out of their old world stashes.
Maybe east coast cap usage has more to do with alcohol than water. It seems everyone In Appalachia are brewing their own alcohol. From there it spread to the rest of the east coast.
@@cal5365i purchased fallout 2 on steam and after playing for two hours I gave up on it and probably won't be going back. I think the controls and game play are way to old and not worth revisiting.
i dont even have to watch this to know what to reply, fallout 1 covers it well where as fallout 3 just copies the recipe and fallout 4 because why not the fans wont mind (that last bit about fo4 is because you could have 3 words and you can where as fo1 has a whole reason for the use of bottlecaps. fo4's reason is, it just works.) now besides bagging bethesda out the reason is simple irl, because its something fans recognise. but overall is just bethesda saying they are to lazy to make a new currency. anyway just gonna leave it at that.
Metro 2033 uses ammo as currency which makes sense but also the air is unbreathable, the mutated animals are all hard to kill, and the humans you fight are more organized so it feels like every purchase is a risk/reward assessment. I like bottlecaps
Here is some real world bit, often companies have some weird programs where you get stuff for codes in bottle caps, now a fallout equivalent, due to lack of Internet, would to hand the caps to a robot, which is something seen in Fallout 76 and the Star bottle caps in New Vegas. So I would say larger trade organisations which get around much would come across such robots, those traders might facilitate the use of bottle caps as currency to get there hands on those special bottle caps needed to get what ever usefull or rare goodies those robots hand out
Robots/tom, just gotta say I found your podcast recently and started from the beginning so I decided to find the yt, this one just fought my eye while I was checking out the channel lol, but I’m talking to you present as I listen you yoj in the past😂 good job man
You can either barter - wanted goods, for wanted goods or use a small, light, portable, fungable token either intrinsicly valuable - i.e. gold/silver coins worth the value of the material or a pure token that is more expensive to replcate than the face value - Bottle caps after the bombs drop fit all these critera Most real world currencies are backed by governments who promise to keep the currency stable, and will only let you pay taxes in the currency
When I was a wee lad playing fallout 3 (Yes that was the first one I played and still is my fav) I used to come up with narratives to fill in the blanks and write my own lore honestly it got to the point where I didn't know where my lore began and the actual fallout lore ended. So I know this isn't helpful at all and honestly no point in putting down my own lore but fuck it here goes. After the nukes fell and destroyed most of the infrastructure humanity for better or worse survived the harsh lands where inhospitable food and water scarce but one thing provided hope....Nuka Cola you see before the nukes metal became hard to get as it was used to build countless labyrinthian vaults, super multilevel complex labs like BigMT, and military hardware for America to ensure there supremacy. All these projects made it difficult to obtain any quality source of metal without great cost so how do you think Nuka Cola approached this? I'll tell you how they started a recycling initiative they retrofired there machines to take bottle caps the only metal required for manufacturing there product. Yes ladies and gentlemen for 20 bottle caps you could get yourself a life saving Nuka Cola not a bad deal post apocalypse for sure and so the standard was set.... Whats that you say? "What happens when all the vending machines run out of nuka cola then wouldn't bottle caps be worthless" you say? Well yes of course but that's the funny thing for some odd reason they never did run out! At first we didn't notice nobody did we just figured we where lucky enough to come across a vending machine that had Nuka in it well after awhile some of us got suspicious while others flat out cracked the machines open and do you know what we found! Nuka Cola of course but we also to our surprise found out that a Mr.Handy the very next day stopped by and started repairing the damn thing. The Mr.Handy was in amazing condition and sported a Nuka Cola paint job that was almost pristine. Turns out Nuka Cola plants are well......Nuke Proof who would have guessed so the automation that occurred due to the troubles found in America, and Nuka Cola's drive to cut cost even when it means firing over 80% of your work force created the economy we know and love today! Also as a kid I had a absurd theory that vault 92 was the actual cause of the MireLurks a wild one for sure but my theory was that the white noise combined with RADS from the lake awoke a primal part of our brain that harked back to our primal evolutionary genetics causing humanity to mutate into isopod like creatures. This theory was definitely one of the more far fetched ones but I still enjoyed it and when I found a Mirelurk King/Queen I foolishly thought it confirmed my theory
If you're creating fan theories to make it fit. Just remember that after Project Purity, the Brotherhood had the same leverage the Hub had to enforce their own currency. And based on Fallout Tactics, the Brotherhood is known to create their own currency. There should realistically have been a Brotherhood water backed currency by Fallout 4.
1 bottlecap was worth 1 bottle of water? that's pretty shortsighted... it would mean that that water would now go uncovered. Disqualifies the entire point of a bottle cap's practical use
So who is setting the price to get a purified water for a battle cap because his premise is unfounded if there's isn't a backer for bottle caps for purified water
Connecting money to gold also controls inflation as you can only have as much money in circulation as there is gold to back it. So the government couldn't spend more than it had. This is why the gold standard needs to return. And why the Federal Reserve needs to be abolished.
Yes and no, the rest of the world agreed to use the dollar because, at the time, the US economy was the strongest and most stable economy in the world. However, when they stopped backing the dollar with silver and gold there was a commodity that the dollar became tied to and I have already given you a hint as to what it was. The key is to realize what money, or the dollar is actually exchanged for... What does it represent... What "Debt" is it meant to pay for, remember on its face it says that it is good for debts. Put quite simply and to the point, the dollar represents the labor and productivity of the American people It is our labor, productivity, and time that is devalued by the massive over spending of our government. Likewise our labor is cheapened every time they bring in people who "will do the work that Americans won't." The truth is that people are not doing the work because the pay is not enough. The pay is not enough because over taxation, regulation, and spending devalued our labor and our currency. Which further devalues it each and every day.
@@sergent40 they still use it fam now the u.s. value is we won't conquer you lol 😆 last thing I seen about the Petrodollar was China and Russia was trying to make their own Petrodollar but I haven't kept up on rather that took hold or not
@@sergent40 side note taxes are to pay back the federal reserve the u.s. ain't concerned with paying off other countries its a whole ya we owe you money so what come get it type of deal, taxes are to pay back the loan from the federal reserve that litterly anywhere they are which is in almost all countries print money from thin air, litterly no countries money holds any value at all
Also before we get into all the gold that the Royals have over in Britain go take what they call em pound and see if you can get any gold in return I got the answer you won't, the value of money is a illusion no matter what country you're in litterly just paper people say had value
@@sergent40 side note countries started using the dollar for oil trade in the mid 70's hate to tell you the u.s. went off the gold standard I wanna say the 30's so they used u.s. dollars for oil trade way after any type of gold standard my friend that's a common misconception
Liked the podcast's content about the bottle caps! Really not a fan of the ai art though, would much rather prefer stuff related to the video or even just random fallout gameplay.
While I do enjoy the "76 is a simulation" theory the "NCR Ranger Outfit" can debunk it. See the chest piece has some text on it that reads "LAPD Riot" the helmet is also an "Old World" Army Ranger helmet. Its not too far fetched to consider that the BOS in 76 would have brought some of it with them as we know they walked from Cali to WV. And in the game its not called the "NCR Ranger Outfit" its the Eliet Ranger Armor Outfit as the NCR isnt established till well after the events in 76. Players just call it the NCR Ranger Armor because thats what it becomes.
The 76 is a simulation is so weak, it's referenced in older games as a standard vault, the one log about a simulation is most likely a fourth wall jab about the game being an MMO, and the New Vegas gear and other stuff showing up in game is pandering to get money...
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One thing a lot of people don't talk about is in the DLC Old World Blues and Lonesome Road it is stated that the military had these chips that you could trade for items you needed for your job for luxuries but it turned out that it was basically the style of a bottle cap that was The Lonesome Road reason
Yeah and this sort of aligns with 76 at launch when there were only robot.
Bottle Caps are Fallout's Gold Pieces
Vault tec did kinda predict it with the barter bobblehead
Great point
East coast bottle caps were explained in fallout seventy six. It was an actual pre-war nukka cola promotion at the white Spring that carried over into the Apocalypse.By the robots running the building. Apologies for the poor grammar and spelling but i'm using voice to text
Actual post-government currencies in use where things like cigarettes. (Berlin after the war, and also often in prisons). Something that has an intrinsic value, is easily tradable, hard to copy (without resources), light and sufficiently small to handle it. The thing itself does not need to be consumable, if there is some authority that hold the promise to exchange it for something consumable. That however needs a certain level of trust.
This narrator can Seriously Pratt On about Absolutely Nothing in what he could summarize in just a couple of minutes!!! 🤠👍
thats the point its a podcast
Think about it like this: bottle caps are standardized, they’re hard to replicate without lots of machinery and material, and the only other things that share that property in the wasteland are medicine and ammo, which both share the problem that there’s a lot of versions of them both and that your enemies could potentially use them against you, which caps have neither issue.
There’s also millions of bottle caps scattered about from the pre war meaning that there’s room for the economy to grow, you don’t get to a point where a piece of bread is worth less than a cap and the whole economy breaks
A bit late for the party, but... why caps? Well, hints to a convincing, in-game lore explaination already exist in Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4. # and 4 have the Nuka Cola campaigns, the pre-war ones. Nuka World had bottle caps exchanged for memorabilia, toys and little prizes, and, New Vegas had the blue star caps, for the Sasparilla campaign. Both pre-war. Now, the sweet spot for this, is the time between the nuclear holocaust and the games timeline. Even if Fallout 76 is a few decades after the bombs, it's still ... decades. Enough time for most of the surviving children, and teenagers, that were collecting bottlecaps, and, most likely held onto their prized possessions throughout the bombs, to still clinge into the idea that their caps are extremely valuable. Sure, they'd never get to exchange them for a free nuka cola, or meet the sherriff in Vegas, but, they still felt valuable. And, at some point, all those surviving kids became adults. Adults with one thing in common. Their establ;ished belief that bottlecaps are valuable. Not a set value per single cap, yet, but enough vague notion to begin trading with them as currency. And, through time, unavoidable arguments, many of which violent and lethal, a consensus was set, that one single bottlecap has a very specific value. The Hub, of course finetuned it to a set value that was universally agreed upon, namely one cap equals one water bottle. But, even that was establ;ished long after these early survivors had spread the, yet unstable, new currency out of their old world stashes.
The gold mine was where the surthlight was, the mine got dirty bombed
Maybe east coast cap usage has more to do with alcohol than water. It seems everyone In Appalachia are brewing their own alcohol. From there it spread to the rest of the east coast.
The NCR dollar is the standard currency in Fallout 2. Didn't you play that game?
Nobody care
Ugly ass old game
none of these guys play the old games just what slop bethesda put out
@@cal5365i purchased fallout 2 on steam and after playing for two hours I gave up on it and probably won't be going back. I think the controls and game play are way to old and not worth revisiting.
Yeah but in the more recent games bottlecaps have been a universal value
This Ai generated fallout image is cursed AF
I'd rather have had a flat unmoving image 😭
@@basklisk same
In the real world sayings like "How are you going to pay for that? Bottle tops?" have been around as long as I can remember & I'm south of 40.
i dont even have to watch this to know what to reply, fallout 1 covers it well where as fallout 3 just copies the recipe and fallout 4 because why not the fans wont mind (that last bit about fo4 is because you could have 3 words and you can where as fo1 has a whole reason for the use of bottlecaps. fo4's reason is, it just works.)
now besides bagging bethesda out the reason is simple irl, because its something fans recognise. but overall is just bethesda saying they are to lazy to make a new currency.
anyway just gonna leave it at that.
....bottle caps are Abundant + cool idea + pre war nuke a cola lore
= awnser
Answer: Hub water merchants.
I Knew there was a cap maker in New Vegas. But tbh I thought I imagined it. Thank you.
Metro 2033 uses ammo as currency which makes sense but also the air is unbreathable, the mutated animals are all hard to kill, and the humans you fight are more organized so it feels like every purchase is a risk/reward assessment. I like bottlecaps
Here is some real world bit, often companies have some weird programs where you get stuff for codes in bottle caps, now a fallout equivalent, due to lack of Internet, would to hand the caps to a robot, which is something seen in Fallout 76 and the Star bottle caps in New Vegas. So I would say larger trade organisations which get around much would come across such robots, those traders might facilitate the use of bottle caps as currency to get there hands on those special bottle caps needed to get what ever usefull or rare goodies those robots hand out
Robots/tom, just gotta say I found your podcast recently and started from the beginning so I decided to find the yt, this one just fought my eye while I was checking out the channel lol, but I’m talking to you present as I listen you yoj in the past😂 good job man
It would be cool if you could make a unique weapon or outfit with prewar money. Like a special Molotov or something
You can either barter - wanted goods, for wanted goods or use a small, light, portable, fungable token
either intrinsicly valuable - i.e. gold/silver coins worth the value of the material
or a pure token that is more expensive to replcate than the face value - Bottle caps after the bombs drop fit all these critera
Most real world currencies are backed by governments who promise to keep the currency stable, and will only let you pay taxes in the currency
When I was a wee lad playing fallout 3 (Yes that was the first one I played and still is my fav) I used to come up with narratives to fill in the blanks and write my own lore honestly it got to the point where I didn't know where my lore began and the actual fallout lore ended.
So I know this isn't helpful at all and honestly no point in putting down my own lore but fuck it here goes.
After the nukes fell and destroyed most of the infrastructure humanity for better or worse survived the harsh lands where inhospitable food and water scarce but one thing provided hope....Nuka Cola you see before the nukes metal became hard to get as it was used to build countless labyrinthian vaults, super multilevel complex labs like BigMT, and military hardware for America to ensure there supremacy. All these projects made it difficult to obtain any quality source of metal without great cost so how do you think Nuka Cola approached this? I'll tell you how they started a recycling initiative they retrofired there machines to take bottle caps the only metal required for manufacturing there product. Yes ladies and gentlemen for 20 bottle caps you could get yourself a life saving Nuka Cola not a bad deal post apocalypse for sure and so the standard was set....
Whats that you say? "What happens when all the vending machines run out of nuka cola then wouldn't bottle caps be worthless" you say? Well yes of course but that's the funny thing for some odd reason they never did run out! At first we didn't notice nobody did we just figured we where lucky enough to come across a vending machine that had Nuka in it well after awhile some of us got suspicious while others flat out cracked the machines open and do you know what we found! Nuka Cola of course but we also to our surprise found out that a Mr.Handy the very next day stopped by and started repairing the damn thing. The Mr.Handy was in amazing condition and sported a Nuka Cola paint job that was almost pristine. Turns out Nuka Cola plants are well......Nuke Proof who would have guessed so the automation that occurred due to the troubles found in America, and Nuka Cola's drive to cut cost even when it means firing over 80% of your work force created the economy we know and love today!
Also as a kid I had a absurd theory that vault 92 was the actual cause of the MireLurks a wild one for sure but my theory was that the white noise combined with RADS from the lake awoke a primal part of our brain that harked back to our primal evolutionary genetics causing humanity to mutate into isopod like creatures. This theory was definitely one of the more far fetched ones but I still enjoyed it and when I found a Mirelurk King/Queen I foolishly thought it confirmed my theory
If you're creating fan theories to make it fit. Just remember that after Project Purity, the Brotherhood had the same leverage the Hub had to enforce their own currency. And based on Fallout Tactics, the Brotherhood is known to create their own currency. There should realistically have been a Brotherhood water backed currency by Fallout 4.
@@loyaljokster3371 Dude I was like 11 playing that game and didn't have access to the net just fallout and Morrowind on a old hand me down Xbox
There would of been capping machines everywhere
8:05 bottle caps aren’t difficult to carry at all. They’re one of the few things that doesn’t take up my carry weight. 😏
1 bottlecap was worth 1 bottle of water? that's pretty shortsighted... it would mean that that water would now go uncovered. Disqualifies the entire point of a bottle cap's practical use
Money, currency and fiat currency actually have specific, real definitions.
I got caps that jingle jangle jingle!
Caps are lightweight, durable, and nonfungable. As long as caps are accepted for trade, it's a good currency.
Everything was a glass bottle, so bottles presse of some kind wouldn't be as hard to find as you're implying.
You get a bottlecap from a nuka cola or sunset sasperrilla
Whatever happened to The adventures of Captain robots?
what has value? Friendship?
can we actually use diffrent bottlecaps or just the ones from nuka cola?
If the pandemic was any indication, our currency would be toilet paper
4:28 whatever is happening on screen during this time genuinely made me feel so nauseous I had to stop looking (it gets worse zooming in)
So who is setting the price to get a purified water for a battle cap because his premise is unfounded if there's isn't a backer for bottle caps for purified water
I never got that far in 76. The Fallout cash store ruined it for me.
Connecting money to gold also controls inflation as you can only have as much money in circulation as there is gold to back it. So the government couldn't spend more than it had. This is why the gold standard needs to return.
And why the Federal Reserve needs to be abolished.
U.s. currency has value because it's tied to Petro most countries trade in petrodollars which is just u.s. money
Yes and no, the rest of the world agreed to use the dollar because, at the time, the US economy was the strongest and most stable economy in the world. However, when they stopped backing the dollar with silver and gold there was a commodity that the dollar became tied to and I have already given you a hint as to what it was.
The key is to realize what money, or the dollar is actually exchanged for... What does it represent... What "Debt" is it meant to pay for, remember on its face it says that it is good for debts.
Put quite simply and to the point, the dollar represents the labor and productivity of the American people
It is our labor, productivity, and time that is devalued by the massive over spending of our government. Likewise our labor is cheapened every time they bring in people who "will do the work that Americans won't." The truth is that people are not doing the work because the pay is not enough. The pay is not enough because over taxation, regulation, and spending devalued our labor and our currency. Which further devalues it each and every day.
@@sergent40 they still use it fam now the u.s. value is we won't conquer you lol 😆 last thing I seen about the Petrodollar was China and Russia was trying to make their own Petrodollar but I haven't kept up on rather that took hold or not
@@sergent40 side note taxes are to pay back the federal reserve the u.s. ain't concerned with paying off other countries its a whole ya we owe you money so what come get it type of deal, taxes are to pay back the loan from the federal reserve that litterly anywhere they are which is in almost all countries print money from thin air, litterly no countries money holds any value at all
Also before we get into all the gold that the Royals have over in Britain go take what they call em pound and see if you can get any gold in return I got the answer you won't, the value of money is a illusion no matter what country you're in litterly just paper people say had value
@@sergent40 side note countries started using the dollar for oil trade in the mid 70's hate to tell you the u.s. went off the gold standard I wanna say the 30's so they used u.s. dollars for oil trade way after any type of gold standard my friend that's a common misconception
What about the bowling alley?
Or
Fallout 2 money
Liked the podcast's content about the bottle caps! Really not a fan of the ai art though, would much rather prefer stuff related to the video or even just random fallout gameplay.
Yeah, I was just trying it out. Definitely didn't stick with it.
While I do enjoy the "76 is a simulation" theory the "NCR Ranger Outfit" can debunk it. See the chest piece has some text on it that reads "LAPD Riot" the helmet is also an "Old World" Army Ranger helmet. Its not too far fetched to consider that the BOS in 76 would have brought some of it with them as we know they walked from Cali to WV. And in the game its not called the "NCR Ranger Outfit" its the Eliet Ranger Armor Outfit as the NCR isnt established till well after the events in 76. Players just call it the NCR Ranger Armor because thats what it becomes.
The 76 is a simulation is so weak, it's referenced in older games as a standard vault, the one log about a simulation is most likely a fourth wall jab about the game being an MMO, and the New Vegas gear and other stuff showing up in game is pandering to get money...