Turning Red: Why Is Everyone So Mad?
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Things this movie's "controversy" revealed about the public: 1. They sexualize children to a frightening degree when it's completely unwarranted 2. They are absolutely abysmal at nuance
Yup that’s why Male critics hate movies like Birds of Prey, Turning Red, Charlie’s Angels (2019 version). Because if the female protagonist isn’t sexualized in anyway then chances are that they won’t even bother watching it before saying it’s “cringe sjw feminists man-hating trash”
@@Pink_pr1ncess most people hated birds of prey and 2019 Charlie’s angels cause they were objectively bad movies though.
@@drstrangelove307 ) nah.
I thought I received backlash because there isn’t any gay characters smh , the new age
@@formodius No, that's just what sad puppies keep trying to claim to distract from their own eye rolling whinging.
My sister in law recently told me a fellow mom at her daughters school told her to “watch out” for this movie because she said “within the first 15 minutes my daughter had QUESTIONS”
Why are people so against answering their kid’s questions? I really do think it’s cruel for people to hide the fact that their daughters will bleed and cramp EVERY month until it happens. The whole taboo is what makes this such a traumatic thing for girls to experience until they figure out the normalcy of it on their own
It shouldn't be a taboo topic but still is. In 2022! Puberty and periods happen, and they are unavoidable. Do moms even remember the first time they got their period and probably needed guidance?
It's like moms and other adults have never struggled with puberty, so they expect their children to never question it!
i feel like by 5th grade all children should go through a health class on this thats what my school did i really didnt want to go but i am thankful i did embarrassing yes but its important and shouldnt be such a taboo topic i asked my mom if i couldnt go but she forced me to
my school did a whole presentation on it when we were in 5th grade but without the boys
@@momakesvids5704 that's what my school did aswell the girls watched their own and the boys watched their own in separate rooms tho it is important for girls and boys to learn about each others bodys as well
i think thats just absurd. i mean i get its not a comfortable topic to talk about but it still needs to be discussed. if parents cant talk about this with their kids i really dont think they're prepared to be a parent
I'm one of those children who got their period before it was talked about. It was terrifying when I saw the "blood". I was shaking and crying thinking it was something else. This is why you should tell your children what a period is before the age of 8.
Please if you got period 8 or below years of age... Definitely tell your parents.. That ain't normal
@@yachishairclips2250 no i started at 8 and a half, but my mom didn't tell me anything about it before so i didn't know what was happening
I thought I kept sh*ting myself the first two days because it didn’t look like typical blood to me at first lmao I can laugh now but it started at school (elementary) so it was pretty horrific at the time and avoided telling my mom for like half of that first week
It's because it is so scary and confusing that women don't want periods treated irreverently as jokes in kids movies like this.
@@yachishairclips2250 It is normal for 8 year olds to have one
The "period scene" was how my mom reacted when I first got my period! She was reassuring, made me stock up on pads, gave me a ton of advice etc etc. Also, my mom loved this movie, which was a surprise, given she doesn't normally like animated movies.
Mine was at 10. I got blood on the chair at school and cleaned it without drawing attention.
From what I gathered, the panda represents the hidden frustration and feelings that Mei bottled up inside her. Hence why when she turned into her panda, it was considerably small. She had just only realized how strict her mom is. Her mom was aware of her own mother’s tendencies for much longer. She felt a lot of guilt and anger so it explains why her panda was so huge compared to the others. This is also backed up by how the panda is brought out only when a strong emotion is expressed. That’s just my 2 cents
Yes that’s what I was thinking too. I also noticed her mom was surprised by how young she was when it came out. Leads me to think her moms overbearing nature caused it to happen sooner, instead of later like she wanted
I thought I was the only one who thought that
I agree, and for people being dramatic about the film mentioning periods,,, I dont even get why they made a big ass deal about the period scene, I'd rather have a scene from a supposed kid's movie about periods rather than subtle sex jokes cause periods would be easier to explain to a curious child rather than intercourse lmao
@@hellcat5277 They didn’t even mention periods, not really. The only thing they say is pads. We need more films like this. Maybe then there won’t be men who legitimately believe we lay a single egg once a month like a fucking chicken. (Seriously some men think this.)
@@andysmith5806 okay I honestly know that you don’t lay an egg like a chicken but I have made the joke numerous times to my bestie. And then she makes jokes about my pubescent natures. So we get even and have a few laughs
Also the sheer fact that people are treating periods like it's an "adult topic" when it's CHILDREN who get their periods for the first time is so weird to me. My mom got hers when she was 9. I was 11. Literally elementary school. Children should know about it before it happens.
This is a great point. I think about a tweet or something when people where trying to desperately to get parents to stop telling children (some girls go through puberty and start there period at 8!) that this now suddenly makes them women. It robs girls of their childhood. It's irresponsible, honestly.
Exactly! I was also 11 when mine happened, was still in elementary school but hopefully my father had told me everything about it so I didn't freak out. I could not even understand the thought of not explaining periods to your child and just let it happen to them, that would be traumatizing
@@coralinejones505 My sister was 8 when it happened to her, you're literally correct.
I was 10 when I got mine. I'm glad my mom kept me informed about it before it happened. so when it did happen, I was prepared.
@@coralinejones505 I was 11 when I first got mine. My mom didn't properly educate me beforehand because she thought she would have more time until it became relevant. Anyway, she told some people she knew and I hated it. The neighbor lady showed up with a bunch of flowers and told me "you're a woman now", my homeroom teacher shook my hand and told me the same. I was disgusted. It was one of the things that ended my childhood.
During the whole 'terrifying' period scene, it's severely reminded me of when I was a child and got my first period. My older sister was there and explained it a little to me, giving me the proper products and medicine. So It made me happy during that scene, I thought it was cute and relatable. Maybe it's different for me, but I never looked at this movie and thought it was 'dirty' or concerning, it's kinda sad people think of it in that light.
yea same. i watched it with my mom and brother. it was nice to watch and very relatable. i dont see anything wrong with it. definitely don’t see what ppl are freaking out over. its not the movie that’s the problem, its the ppl.
the movie had me singing that band’s song for like a week lmfao
I agree, keeping your kids in the dark about essential themes like menstruation is bad.
BUT, FUNNY LITTLE DETAIL
That is addressed in the movie, where Mei is kept in the dark about the panda, and she clearly isn’t happy about it, and her parents proceed to panic and not know how to deal with it (especially mom of course)
"If there is not something innately sexual about something, there's nothing that shows something of any sexual nature what-so-ever, I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IS SEXUALIZING THE SITUATION, and not the movie."
This needs to be screamed to the heavens and to every stodgy middle-aged parent-folk who thinks periods are "icky".
So you like Cuties then
@@557deadpool No, because there was something inherently wrong and sexual about that, because it was basically Hollywood licensed child p*rn.
Go see a fucking doctor before you open your flap again freak.
Heck yeah, lets do it
Exactly, thank you! Funny how those ranting against such things are reading that into this movie, almost like those things are already on their (small) minds...
@@scarsch2818 I'm genuinely curious how many people actually watched Cuties as opposed to how many have negative things to say about it. I havent seen it myself, but what I heard from other people (specifically from black women creators who had more nuance to add), is that it's not actually an endorsement at all. The subject matter is supposed to be an alarming look at what some girls absolutely do experience when growing up.
The panda isn’t a metaphor for her period even, the period stuff was confusion from her mom. The panda is instead a metaphor for the emotional turmoil of that age when your life starts to turn focus from inside the family to outside, finding your own interests and peers where your parents are no longer the only people that matter. Her accepting the panda is a reconciliation with those emotions and coming to accept that changes in her life won’t always align with what her mother wants for her. In the end her mother reassures her too, that no matter where life takes Mei, that she’ll always love her and be proud of her.
And even if the panda was a period metaphor, it was taken in stride eventually by both Mei and Ming. It would also ironically further the message of growing into yourself as a teenager. Mei has periods and she adjusts to it nicely, like Mei has the panda and adjusts to it nicely.
That's what I was thinking too
This summed up what I felt as well!
I think if the people who have issues with it would stop assuming just period and instead think puberty as a whole it makes so much more sense. The period is just one part of puberty, granted it is the part that makes it obvious that puberty is here, but the panda as puberty helps encompass everything that is going on with Mei.
It’s strange how people need to turn metaphors into such literal meanings, rather than an understanding that the metaphor might be more of an abstract concept
I'm 23 and showed it to my mother not long ago. She LOVED this movie- relating both to May and her mother, and understanding that the "panda" is more of the change you kinda go through in puberty and your true self . When I told her about how people didn't like the fact that they talked about period, she rolled her eyes and scoffed saying "as if girls that age don't know about that and more" lol
The part where she sells pictures of her in her panda form to raise money just reminded me of how much we all did that in my elementary/middle school. We used to try and sell anything and everything when I was a kid. Kids would sell brownies, cookies, silly bands, those loom bracelets. Literally anything lol. So it's honestly ridiculous to me that people are sexualizing that. If you are sexualizing an innocent scene in a children's movie, you are the problem.
AMEN! the movie's not just about puberty, its about KIDS, it's about family bonds, and Mei drawing the pictures is just what happens when hormones begin! I despise people who take normal things and make them a "taboo subject" it makes simple things so difficult 😒
There’s a huge societal issue with shaming girls and women for something that’s natural. We don’t sign up for it, but it happens and we’ve gotta deal. If people find this inappropriate they can simply not watch.
I saw some guy get shamed for having an unintentional boner that was natural.
@@DeadInsideCats Okay? And?
@@DeadInsideCats I think your trying to take the spotlight away from a woman's problem and turn it into a men's problem. I understand that some things happen without control and people shouldn't be shamed for it. But really? You just had to change the entire subject to men being victims?
@@DeadInsideCats do you speak about that independently as its own issue or only when women are speaking about womens issues? Either way you using a “whataboutism” to distract what’s being discussed is another societal issue. Women can’t ever talk about their experiences without a man saying but what about us 🥴
@@tacosauce8639 i think he's trying to point out the hypocrisy and how it's a problem that goes beyond just women
My only complaint is just how SEEN I felt when watching the movie. The cringe, the obsession, the hyperactivity. That's what being a 13 year old is like and every 13 year old deserve to be able to live through that phase of life.
Being a 13 year old boy is more about trying to deal with newfound crippling loneliness and immense rage that bursts forth out of nowhere and leaves just as quickly. Idk, I'm glad not to be a teenager anymore.
@@Error0101 Anybody of any gender around this age can feel this way. Being a13 year old girl I get really angry really easily, and then the anger vanishes and I hate it. I hate being so easily agitated it makes me feel terrible. I am extremely lonely, and it's so hard sometimes. While some behaviors may be more common depending on gender, your statement seems to be speaking for a lot of people.....?
i felt EXPOSED
The drawing scene really...really encapsulates every artist's experience. I felt called out lmao
fr even if you aren't a girl or in a strict Asian household, you can still feel called out by *something* from this movie and it just shows how real a stylized cartoon movie like this can be. If people learned to overlook "stuff for kids" as if it means it isn't allowed to be deep.
THANK YOU, I am really glad that someone pointed this out for once.
I'm so tired of the stupid reviews and flack this movie is getting. This was such a wholesome and great movie, and it's been so annoying to see people sexualizing the movie like this. Especially over something like a joke with periods, and also periods relatively being a normal thing that shouldn't be almost shocking to talk about. Or sexual, and forbidden. ._.
Like it's a normal thing, and this movie is about a literal red panda.
Clearly people looking way too deep into something that's fairly innocent for a movie.
my mom had a friend when she was a kid, who came over to her house mid-panic attack, thinking she was going to die, because nobody explained puberty to her. My mom's mom literally had to sit down and explain to another woman's child what a period was, as this kid thought she was gunna bleed to death. So yeah, I'd say it's pretty important for us to get rid of this puberty stigma. It's far scarier to not tell your kids about it than have them actually understand their own freaking bodies.
Personally, I felt like the more fitting allegory here was not to do with periods/sexuality, but with the hormonal/emotional upheaval that comes with puberty. It's a coming of age movie concerning a young girl who, instead of repressing and locking away her excitement & passion & emotionality, instead looks to find a way to integrate that experience into her life in a healthy way. Or even that sense of like-- needing to find your own ideal way of living even when you love & respect where you've come from. I don't really think the metaphor here was ever meant to be 1 to 1, beat for beat, but instead it showcased a combination of experiences & challenges that girls tend to face as they transition through puberty, reconcile their distinct identities, and become invested in their own happiness separate from the expectations of others.
@@cozyglow100 no
Why you say that
@@cozyglow100 it’s nothing personal I just disagree with your opinion
@@cozyglow100 Oklahoma
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It's crazy to me how upset people are that a girl likes boys. If it was a coming-of-age about a 13-year-old-boy crushing on girls, the reaction would be more like "haha boys will be boys". I know this because there are several movies about boys being actually creepy towards girls they "like" and they're considered classics. But the second a teenage girl draws pictures of a boy she likes, suddenly it's gross. Maybe the problem ISN'T that the characters are being sexualized, maybe it's because people don't realize that girls' sexuality or sexual health doesn't only exist for others' consumption/satisfaction.
Seems to me that people(usually more conservative/religious) really seem to like... have this thing, when it comes to girls. Of over-protectiveness and treating like... ugh words. Just, jumping on it? Making everything into some kind of sexualized whatever when it's often not even there.
I see it around me in some people irl as this suffocating, well-meaning but ridiculous, "girls/women gotta stay Pure and 'Virginal' and totally clueless and ignorant, practically asexual(ironically? or not, I am and also aromantic but anyhow) and not be attracted to anyone, or attract anyone. They cannot learn ANYTHING when in their mid-teens beyond 'you must not be alone with boys or you will get pregnant', and as they grow up they must hide any curves they may have until their miraculous Perfect wedding night, which is the only acceptable way and must only be shared with a heterosexual man..." *shrug*
Sometimes I wish I were entirely androgynous, or an android or something so people would stfu and stop treating me either like I must remain unaware my whole life/or I will turn into someone having the sex with anything that moves or some nonsense. I want nothing to do with this absolute bullshite. They don't own me or other gals so they can f%ck right off. Like I don't plan on anything ever, but learning is necessary regardless because, surprise, EVEN IF YOU NEVER HAVE SEX stuff can still happen and it's just a good idea to know about your /own friggin body/.
And it's so frustrating when they just never tell you things and you find out on your own after the fact. Or if you DO want children and all that, it's never talked about so you grow up learning nothing except what you can glean from overhearing kids at school-if you're not homeschooled-or if you can sneak on a computer or read a book with some scene in it without getting caught, and it almost feels its FORBIDDEN to learn about anything-all the godsd$mned way until you're engaged. Like, what?
We just can't win and it's all absurd and drives me bonkers.
it genuinely disgusts me that conservative men are insinuating that periods are a SEXUAL thing. wtf??
lol right? she wasn't even drawing anything that bad, it's not even shirtless. When I think of myself back at that age it's like....whoa boy
@Chandler Burse Women sexually harassing men is indeed a problem society should address, no doubt. A man should not be made to feel like less of a man if he experiences such an awful occurrence. There needs to be a safety net and support so a man can report that to authorities without being mocked.
But Jesus Christ this is a movie about teenage girl puberty, not sexual assault. We can address issues individually as well you know? Just because there’s a movie for kids about racism doesn’t mean we still shouldn’t discuss sexism in whatever form it takes. It’s just a family movie dealing with certain themes.
I found one dude saying that Turning Red "objectifies" boys. Ok bro, teen girls having crushes is "objectification", but teen boys sneaking into girls locker rooms and sneaking pron mags isn't.
Sounds like a movie that I'd show my children if they were the right age. Sexualizing periods has always boggled my mind. They're just a part of life from puberty onwards. We don't sexualize boys for starting to grow beard hair. And taking the metaphor as far as people have is really reaching hard! I seriously doubt the writers had any ill intent or that any young person watching it will get the wrong idea.
Also, I'm all for periods losing their weird unnecessary stigma so that we can finally drop the weird covert act where we have to pretend like we're not in excruciating pain once a month because that would lead to questions; so we can stop hoping that the teachers/ work colleagues who are covering for us won't ask further questions when we have to use the washroom more often/ during inconvenient times; so we can speak up more easily, without the internalized shame, against PMS being treated as a joke or as an excuse to disregard us once a month (even though men have hormonal shifts too, albeit with no regularity). It probably won't happen, but it would be nice to work towards it.
This turned into an unintended rant.
Anyways, this movie sounds like a thoughtfully written, appropriate teen movie and I see zero issues as a parent.
It’s very amusing to me that people will bitch and moan about puberty being a theme in the movie, but at the same time will also bitch and moan about 9/11 not being mentioned
The people that are suggesting this movie is about selling nudes are the same people that think spirited away is about the Japanese sex industry, both wrong, both stupid.
Wait, that was a thing people thought?! I haven't even watched Spirited Away yet, but asuming it's about the japanese sex industry seems sooooooooo far out there! xD How did they come up with that conspiracy idea?!
No, Spirited Away was a social commentary on capitalism with an anti capitalist message
Man spirited away is beautiful and i love it but it was such a trip i get lost with the message
@@unicorntomboy9736 was it? Or am I just not that good of a deeper meaning person???
@@tomlink5784 I written about that very thing for a college essay
The people sexualizing any part of this movie are REALLY telling on themselves... It was a beautiful coming of age movie that tackled complex themes like generational trauma! The diversity ALONE was immaculate!
i feel like praising a movie on "immaculate diversity" alone is kinda silly, especially for an animated feature.
Diversity does not make a movie better, nor does the lack of diversity make it worse.
@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 yeah, you're entitled to that opinion... But representation happens to be incredibly important to me and many others. It's fantastic to see and I'm absolutely the type to express my gratitude/joy.
@@gralmakaren9919 it's fine that you guys are missing the point of what I said... I'm still gonna stand by my statement.
@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 are you saying you're against diversity in animated movies?
My take away with monetizing the Panda is her just utilizing a new found talent. Like how most asian families discourage arts and enforce money making professions, Mei is more confident with what she can do in panda form than following expectations
It literally doesn’t fit with what the writers themselves said. Based off of what they said and how they want to interpret it, it’s basically promotion of child prostitution. It’s either a hidden message or the show was written by idiots.
@@theredknight9314or maybe metaphors don’t have to be completely literal
@@pompodorkii624 nope cause its not a metaphor
@@theredknight9314 ok so…. the panda isn’t a metaphor for puberty?
@@pompodorkii624 sorry i responded to the wrong vomment i was confused
When I got my period it was exciting for me. You know why? Cause my mom explained to me anything I wanted to know. She showed me where the period stuff was and would answer all the 'inappropriate' questions. She even gave me a book about a girl getting her period that was incredibly good and positive. Getting my period for me was just life.
Periods and puberty are just a part of life and its honestly disgusting how ADULTS keep pushing the narrative that periods and puberty and peoples natural bodies are bad and taboo. It just creates a huge opportunity for fear, anxiety, and body issues to form as well as rifts in child-parent relationships. Kids deserve to know about themselves. They deserve someone who they can talk to and feel comfortable asking hard questions. Ughhhh I just hate these parts of society so much.
I literally can’t believe it’s 2022 and people are still offended about periods I fucking can’t 😭
This movie is Pixar getting a damn spine.
@@austinpapageorge7210 I need my brain cells back because someone called it as a puberty furry movie
@@austinpapageorge7210 it’s more like Pixar rebelling against Disney
@@doctorbillsans9492 same thing. Disney doesn’t have a spine when it comes to plots in a movie anymore
It's 2022 people will get offended by anything.
as someone who was once a 13 year old girl. This movie was perfect and really captures the awkward, weirdness of being 13.
she literally turns into an animal literally. It’s used as a metaphor for puberty and growing up into a different person.
Whoever sees something sexual in something that is obviously not. THEIR the problem. it’s a child why are you looking at them in that way at all? Why does that thought come to your head first? THINK about why you think the way you do
This movie perfectly captured the cringe as a 13 year to the point where I felt like I was seeing myself back when I was 13 which is funny, nostalgic yet embarrassing at the same time. The ppl who have an issue with the movie obvious can't relate to it
she literally turns into an animal literally
Amen!
It definitely is way better to expose children to topics like puberty befor it happens to them so that they have a better understanding and don’t freak out especially because when I first got my period I hid it from my parents for 6 months thinking there was something wrong with me before I was told it was normal and taught how to properly go about it
Oh no! I’m sorry! I was the only girl with 7 brothers when I “matured” and my dad is old school asian (born and raised in Vietnam..... AND catholic!!!) so my time wasn’t great either, in fact I blocked out most of it. Hopefully girls today won’t have as many problems 🤗
As someone who is first generation Asian American and was 13-years-old in 2002, I really related to this film. I also drew cartoon "manga-ish" fan fiction and created SIMS characters and scenarios that resembled my peers (e.g., my crush) and myself in Middle School. It was a way to reflect and better understand my perception of my social world and experiment with my identity and personality at a time that was confusing. The Daisy Mart Scene was mortifying...I can only imagine the embarrassment if my peers had ever seen my manga fan fiction and SIMS creations.
The people that called this movie “pedo bait” really weird me out, literally they are the ones making it out to be that way, reaching way too far for a “valid” reason to hate it
Just say you didn’t like it and move on.
Don’t forget that Disney is a company that regularly has employees arrested for pedophilia. Not a far stretch as you think.
Wtf?? I watched it today and I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics you have to do to reach that batshit of a conclusion. It's literally tailor made for _kids_ and their experiences with _puberty_
This
I swear that the Lolcow UA-cam channels like the “Quartering” who are saying that it’s “pedo” or “sexual” are full of crap.
Parents: We don’t like Turning Red. We prefer the “Carrie” method. Don’t tell her a thing until it happens embarrassingly in school, and then ridicule them and make them feel it’s their fault afterwards. No prom. No boyfriends. This is the way.
THE CARRIE METHOD LMAO. No but fr these parents looked up to Carrie’s mother as a role model or something 😭
The mom certainly looks up to Carrie’s mother. I’d also blame the the dad because he doesn’t do shit up until the climax.
But purity balls where you date your own father are perfectly fine.
That’s a strawman fallacy but ok
i WISH my mom did the Carrie method, she wants me to get a boyfriend and go to prom, but I dont want a boyfriend and don't want to go to prom
The red panda in this movie had multiple meanings imo.
It talked about how sometimes tradition can be harmful, talked about adolescence and the struggle of dealing with hormones and such, it talked about how even people who only have your best interest in mind can still do harmful things, and yes.. There was symbolism for periods and even menopause too. If you're a child who hasn't gotten your period yet, you're probably more likely to see all those other messages, especially if they relate to you, than you are about the period message. Idk why ppl think there's no such thing as multiple symbolic meanings for one thing.
i had my period at 10, and seriously thought i was dying of something. due to the location of said "death wound", i was resigned to dying in secretive shame. my portuguese catholic upbringing did not prepare me for anything.. the mother daughter relationship was far too close to my own experience. i wish i had more relatable content back in 1998.. woulda made a world of difference in my life.
I had no idea this movie was "controversial" until after I watched it. I think some people are completely missing the point. THE PANDA DOES NOT REPRESENT JUST ONE THING. The panda represents the new person/life stage Mei is growing into which includes, but is not limited to, boys, periods, rebellion, independence, etc. At school, the panda = "cool" Mei that her classmates suddenly love. It's not that hard to grasp.
THIS - I've even had explain this to a female co-worker of mine because they were so stuck on the red panda = period but it's really about growing up as a whole and the parts that come with that. I don't know why that's so hard to understand 😆 It took me no time to understand that it could mean more than just one single thing.
B-but this UA-camr I watch said metaphors can only mean one thing :(((((
@@echelonangel98 I mean, it’s still predominantly about female puberty like periods, new hair, and body oder (the panda being a RED Panda vs say a giant panda or any other animal; the red panda smells; it’s hairy; hormonal changes and brain rewiring create stronger emotions), even if other things apply or can correlate as well…
Agreed. Similar to what Pig mentioned here, the “panda pics” things did initially come off to me as weird and I thought the way it was phrased made it seem odd, but, naturally, that was quickly debunked by the fact that Mei was the equivalent of a big furry mascot. Mei suddenly is cool and popular, and the kids at school love it. They seem to accept her because she has something that is unique, the way her friends did, or the girls from the PE class. She’s using her newfound popularity (literally transforming into a panda) to make friends and sell merch. It would be the equivalent of a musician or an artist or even a UA-camr selling merch of themselves or what they do. So “panda pics” is essentially a meet-and-greet
@@anonymousfellow8879 how is new hair and body odor "predominantly about female puberty" boys go through with that too. The only specific thing that girls and women go through in this movie is periods. Even drawing your crushes and idolizing musicians.
Cuties was justified hatred. Turning Red was unjustified fear.
Wow, people were weird for feeling that way about her panda and the hustle of pandamania. The panda isn't just an allegory for periods, it's also just Mei coming into her own and breaking free from the limits she and her family put on her. Besides, ,there was a merch aspect to it.
The way Mei and her mom make up and grow in their relationship should honestly get a pass. Ming recognizes her issues , has her husband to balance her out, and their dysfunctional relationship boiled over into millions of dollars of property damage. I think that would be enough to push them to be better lol.
Whoa, hey, hold on there: You mean something can be an allegory for *multiple* things? Not just one?
That's impossible! That'd mean the big brain crew making wild statements about this movie aren't geniuses!
@@crazyinsane500 Oh they're geniuses! Just... misguided.
Turning Red is one of these movies that everybody hates now but give it a few years and everyone will praise it.
"Cuties was just hatred"? Du-ude!
Honestly enjoyed the movie, it’s pretty goo, but like 90% of the people I know who don’t like the movie don’t really care about the fact it’s representative of periods or her bottled up emotions, it’s mostly “ew, furry propaganda!”
I would just like to say, my 5 year old has watched Turning Red like 30 times. Before, he didn't know anything about periods. And now, he still doesn't. It was part of the plot but you can easily just ignore it.
Exactly. But later on when the topic comes up, he's going to be much more open for dealing with it positively.
As someone who has a period, I freaked out when I got my first period. I was just in the shower, saw blood and scared my poor, unsuspecting mother by screaming. I was almost 13 or 14 and my school never explained how periods worked, and it was a an all-girl school. I would have loved a movie normalising periods.
I'm really disappointed with the feedback on this movie. The way everyone just disregarded it & turned it innately sexual, was frankly disgusting. It made a strong statement, & is a great message for really anyone. People love to act like they werent young once. I also love how most of the feedback were men.
I think going off of this strong comment section and likes that it's far from the truth that "majority of people" do not like this movie. I think that it's cringe-iness in the beginning didn't help it start strong XD and I ABSOLUTELY enjoyed the movie! But it was a rough start.
Most men were a bit uncomfortable with it, but eh- they're more prone to be because it's not relating to them, it's relating to females. A lot of men that I know just couldn't relate which is FINE by me, they aren't obligated to
@@Sophia-fk6km I mean not everything has to be about them.
it teaches kids to twerk and not listen to there parents
@@LBJ22910 huh? no. just no. what are you basing this off of?
jade2fast the whole movie
Hiding the existence of things like periods from your children, ESPECIALLY your daughters, and acting like they're taboo and shouldn't be talked about is just... a terrible parenting decision
I had a false alarm for my period when I was 8. My mom just muttered to herself and gave me a pad. No explanation. No nothing. Hiding it helps no one
@@maycarmel8416 if you don't want to share thats fine, but how do you have a false alarm when it comes to periods?
@@llynxfyremusic unusual discharge I suppose.
@@llynxfyremusic I'd imagine minor trauma from exercise or over stretching? Like you hear those stories of people tearing their hymen exercising and stuff like that. So you can make yourself bleed a bit that way. Idk for sure though, just my best guess
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Honestly, I didn't really see the panda as a metaphor for periods when I saw the movie. I saw it more as a metaphor for individuality and expression of self. So Mei taking pictures and filming her panda was more of her just having fun and being herself in front of people, being able to express herself and show emotions that are frowned upon by her mother
Just wanna pop in as a child that USED to have a rather explosive relationship with my parents, Bionic is EXACTLY on point with parents simply explaining their childhood- and therefore reasoning for their parental behavior or ways. When my dad started explaining his childhood vs. mine to establish is confusion or preset biases, it opened a whole new path for me and my mom and my dad's relationship. Was just nice to hear knowing Bionic is a parent himself LMAO.
"you're the one sexualising the situation, not the movie" THANKYOU. And it's 2022, why the hell can't we normalise and address puberty and periods in disney film?
This movie was honestly so fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I wish I had a Pixar movie explaining to me what a boner was when I was a kid. Would have cleared up a lot of things
(fyi I'm kidding please don't lynch me)
The woke want to sexualize everything nowadays so people immediately jump to that conclusion. Just look at how people went crazy because Florida's trump banned talking about sex and sexuality to 4-8yr olds in classrooms without parents consent. People are just experiencing PTSD from sexuality being forced in everyone's face so they get confused when a movie about bodily changes is released.
@@10awkwardpenguins So here’s a question, do you want to shriek about Snow White, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty too? Or are heterosexual relationships being shoved in everyone’s faces ok?
And there are age appropriate things you CAN talk to 4 and 8 year olds about. Proper names, consent, hygiene. This has helped kids who have been S-assaulted get their abusers sent to jail. Also, teaching non-traditional Family structures.
All the “don’t say gay” bull does is shame and alienate LGTB+ kids or those with LGTB+ families, and YES they do exist.
How hard do you have to pretend LGTB+ people don’t exist, until we actually stop existing?
@@mondenkindqueen do those Disney princesses talk about sexual intercourse? Do they talk about genitalia? no one is pretending they don't exist, but trying to establish a time and place. Kids are to young and naive to understand consent and don't understand the complexity with things involving ADULTHOOD. THATS WHY SEX ED IS TAUGHT UNTIL MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGHSCHOOL. Kids don't fully understand, that's why kids are easily groomed. They are too young to be talking about those things. It's creepy and disgusting talking to a 5yr old about their private parts and what you can do with said parts. At that age the only thing at that age they should know about genitalia is that's were pee comes from, period. Anything else is predatory and grooming. Any kid before puberty that has some type of dysphoria should seek professional medical treatment and should be kept private.
It makes me sad that everyone is like 'oh no! Periods!' While clutching their pearls. Especially since the scene where her mom thinks she's gotten her period and how she's ready to help and explain everything her daughter will need to know, plus a variety of product options so Mei can be more comfortable, is really well done and very touching imo.
Too many young women have to figure out their periods all on their own because of this 'oh no! Periods!' Clutches pearls, attitude parents have.
Those people shouldn't even be parents. And Ming was definitely too controlling and toxic but she was also a really good mom, especially during that scene.
Exactly! It's both a great joke and the perfect way to show that her mom is actually a good parent despite her mistakes. It keeps her from becoming a true antagonist.
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And then they ruined the touching moment, by having her mom sneak around the school like a creeper and yell that she forgot her pads in front of her class while waving them around. I'm not surprised that women are insulted by this movie and don't want there girls to watch it.
Red Panda is allegory for periods so no Mom doesn’t think she KNOWS. and let’s be real here whatever you pretend the allegory is she is selling it to get the money a 13 year old girl is selling herself for the money in a Pixar movie, that’s a whole of a lot worse than “ew periods”
On your talk about not being talked to about periods, I was that girl. My parents never talked to me about it so when it first happened, I thought I was dying. I was in so much pain and was bleeding. I was so scared. My mom just laughed at me and said "welcome to being a woman." My biggest explanation after that was how to use pads. That was it. Not telling your child about periods or what to expect leads to fear.
I think the panda is more about her being her true self and embracing her personality as an awkward teenager. So when she's with her friends she can be her true self (the panda). Yes, the movie is talking about puberty and periods but it's also about embracing changes in yourself, or the parts about yourself you don't like and being expressive. It also has a lot to do with the culture Mei is in and what it's like to grow up in that situation as well as talking about Mother daughter/relationships. I would've loved having this movie as a teenager. I've watched this movie several times, this coming from someone who never does this. It's one of my favorites.
I agree, people who complain about this movie being _"Too sexual for kids"_ are the ones sexualizing it. It's such a dumb take when people say that. You are literally the problem when it comes to sexualizing things or saying this or that is sexual when it's not inherently sexual at all.
I watched it with my mother and nephews!! It was so adorable!! I had the same feeling as watching puppies and kittens playing!! They're children!! What are they talking about that was sexual???
@@Minna9999 because apparently anything involving girl's nether regions, even as in health/biological sense is considered sexual, or at least that's how the conservatist 300lbs neckbeards see it
bonus points if this is in a kid's movie, then they will lose their shit and start to hurl all insults they can and call the producents/anyone involved in the making and the people who liked it pedophiles
I think the modern internet is turning people into a complete spaz these people are being to literal and trying to sound smarter than the average English teacher.
Yup, it’s like dress codes. Girls aren’t ‘distracting’ boys by showing their knees. It’s the boys who are in the wrong for being thought that they should sexualise the girls.
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As someone who was once a 13 year old girl, I've never...*ever* seen any movie capture the experience of being an awkward, dorky, energetic, changing tweenage girl, except this one.
While I was watching, I kept thinking about and connecting the thing Mei and her friends did to how me and my friends acted at that age, how me and my girl friends felt like we knew everything, how we were the "bestie squad!" and how we giggled and helped each other navigate our changing feeling and crushes. This movie is the most realistic movie about being a girl going who's growing up, and I'm so glad it was made :)
are Tween not people over twenty called?
@@Matagu1 no tweens are 12 year olds
Yess agreed this movie really got that energy down to a T. Really took me down a nostalgic trip
@@Matagu1 What an idiot.
but girls don’t have periods that’s a myth created by sjws 🤦🤦🤦
yeah. i agree with your "you should tell your pre-teens about periods because then they won't freak out and think they're dying" thing. my mom warned me and all i did was yell "MOM!!! I'M ON MY PERIOD!!!" and she helped me. if she didn't warn me, i think i might have had a panic attack because i thought i would die.
Honestly as an Asian watching this film, there was a lot of relatability felt in the relationship between Mei and Ming and again between Ming and the grandma. Especially with the way Asian daughters often feel we have to do everything for our parents to make them proud. The mothers in the film didn’t realise until the end the amount of pressure they put on their children
I just saw this movie on Disney+ a couple days ago, and I had no idea it got so much backlash. It was excellent, imo! I thought it was a very accurate portrayal of a 13 year old girl. Can't say I'm surprised, though. 🤷🏾♀️ People hate teenage girls and what they enjoy to a creepy degree, it's been like that forever.
Victim mentality
@@bendavis6457 lol. As a man, this is true whether you want to call it "victim mentality" or not....it's literally evident by the unnecessary backlash that this movie got if you needed proof.
What nobody hates teenage girls, it's the opposite way around
@@jessepinkman1050 ...
@@jessepinkman1050 .... Which parallel universe have you fallen through to get here?
This just shows how much our society sexualizes female puberty. I liked the movie and as a woman who was once a girl I found it very relatable.
You mean how society treats it as sacred and therefore are insulted when it is treated irreverently as it is in this movie. I'm sorry your disappointed that female puberty is treated with so much more respect them male puberty.
@@The1Ryu Dude I’ve never once felt that my puberty was ”sacred” wtf are you talking about? If anything I was only taught that it was shameful and should be hidden away, just like female sexuality. Do you even realize how often an early puberty has been used as an excuse to sexulize and sometimes even assult young girls? And how often regular people even buy these exuses? If female puberty is so sacred why do men and boys often feel like puking only by the thought of period blood? If it is so sacred why don’t we just drink it to gain its ethereal properties??
Male puberty un a nutshell:
Anger+ Professor Jerkov
@@The1Ryu Actually, sexual promiscuity in women is punished. Women are told to be hush-hush about a bodily function (i.e. Bleeding out of an orifice). Puberty for both guys and girls sucks but no one holds the thing sacred.
@@roxassora2706 No promiscuity is seen as bad in both genders, but men haven't had a campaign excuse their every bad sexual behavior. Quite the opposite, men's sexuality is often demonized; they have to be trained not to rape. Again everyone is taught to be be hush-hush about their bodily functions, no one needs to know when you are doing any of that stuff. Yes female puberty is held as sacred, periods in particular, that is obvious by the fact they they aren't even mentioned in adult films. That's because women don't want them talked about.
There were literally 2 scenes and 3 sentences in the entire movie that were about periods.
1. Mom freaking out and asking about it
2. Mom showing up at school with pads
3. best friend telling her friend, that she can cover her with pads if necessary
Thats literally it
I cant believe people are dismissing 99.5% of the movie over a couple of minutes.
Honestly, I liked the movie. It was fun
Meanwhile, i was recommended this movie by my therapist (who watched with her kids) and mentioned to me as we discussed growing up whit strict parents childhood trauma and self hate. So yes, a lot of people can relate to this movie. For those who grew up as girls whit strict moms is pretty much a masterpiece.
i interpreted the "panda" as the rage/anger they had with their families/mothers. and in my mind, mai's mom's panda was so large because of the anger she had inside of her 🤷🏻
thats actually the best interpretation ive heard on this movie omg
This makes a lot of sense,but I think it's a little more than that (based at my experience, at least) the panda it's not just a metaphor for the period, but also of the process of growing up and "turning into a woman",consequently ceasing to be a child, and from the moment things start to happen that indicate this growth (perhaps not talking about menstruation itself, but the interest in boys for example) this is seen as ""something bad""", like it's not normal for the age and like it's something you shouldn't be feeling, which only makes us even more confused about everything.
@@natz1573 all those words just to get disproven
@@maven9323 How? The creator of the movie said it's about puberty which is everything Natz described.
Anything targeted towards young girls/teenage girls receive harsh criticisms. This movie spoke about some things some young girls may have not/will not receive and it’s really good to see how supportive her friends were.
People didn’t grasp that this movie was much more than periods.
everyone's way too focused on the fact that it slightly mentions periods to actually care about anything else that happens in the movie
No one's complaining about the intergenerational trauma
@@d34thl1ng And it’s maybe mentioned like, twice? There was a lot in this movie to appreciate and everyone was focused too on “shark week nasty”
I mean pick one. Movie for boys like this act like guys are born 21 years old and if they experience life or emotions they get forgotten receiving no attention from the public. I feel bad because i think youre right but only because women are like 80% of the media specifically teenage girls its all everyone talks about all the time. They're the center of the universe.
@@dwaynebrice1697 Why do I have to pick one? You brought up boys movies and I never mentioned anything about that. Make your own comment about men’s movies because this isn’t about that and I never mentioned boys targeted towards men.
I also do not care because I am NOT a boy???
Honestly, the reaction to the movie is great in some way. The topic tickled just the right spots in peoples brains that makes them so emotional. It means that the movie influenced the people. It caused a reaction. People are talking about it. The producers reached their goal.
And memers get a ton of source material to work with to ridicule the haters. It's truly a win-win for everyone (except the haters, lol fuck them)
The way metaphors work is that if you switch out the metaphor for the real thing, it still makes sense.
I promise you NO TEENAGER has EVER considered their period to be a superpower and sometbing to be proud of. That goes for us grown women too. We would GLADLY strip away periods like the aunties did to their panda spirits.
Am I the only one who didn't even think this movie was about periods?
I saw it as a family relationship movie. And I agree with you saying that people themselves are the problem. I, an 18yr old girl didn't even think that this movie had any sexual connotations like those comments you showed in the beginning
That you didn’t pick up on the connotations is one thing, but that’s what the creator said it was about
From the trailers, I thought it was about periods. I never watched the movie. 😅
@@folofus4815 Yea I saw that part. I'm just saying I didn't see it that way
there were sexual connotations
I see it as a puberty, coming of age, family relationships movie. It’s definitely mostly about puberty though
I will never understand parents who don’t explain periods to their daughters. It just seems cruel
Ya they just emd up thinking they're dying or something is wrong with them when they start and go into panic
I called my mom when it first started and told her I had to go to the hospital.😅 In her defense I was extremely young when I got it, I don’t think she thought I’d get it at that age. None of my friends did til years later.
Carrie Whites mom vibes
@@KingOfGaymes this reference and your profile pic, youre cool
@@melbelly98 my friend had it with 9 years old, mine only came when i was 12, it was on my birthday and i was at church😭
One of the reasons that guys (boys and men) are so angry about this is because not only is it not about them, but the males are sex symbols. There is no "manly man" character for them to relate to, save the day, save the girl, etc. With the boy band, the boys are very definitely ONLY sex symbols. The guys who are engaged about this are the same men who are afraid of gay guys because they don't want to be on the receiving end of the subjectification that they have towards women. Also, the father's character is nurturing. He cooks, he isn't The Man of the House and he sympathizes with his child and is more understanding than the mother. Also upsetting to men who think men should not have feelings and do "women's work."
The part about suppressing the panda is all about how girls are supposed to repress their feelings, suppress their sexuality. All of the women in that line are taught to repress these emotions, and never to express that part of themselves. And of course the thought that a woman can completely express herself and her sexuality is threatening to men who want to be the only ones who can have temper tantrums and be big and scary. The girls in this movie are not sexualized in any way. They don't deal with all the changes that accompany burgeoning womanhood. It's not about that. It's about that time when tween girls are beaten down and condemned for being attracted to whoever they find attractive. There are so many problems with sex and sexuality and in particular female sexuality, there is a lot to unpack, but the failure of our society not recognizing that girls, and women, have these feelings too. What will happen if girls start to actually like sex? How can we continue to make women the only ones responsible for pregnancy if we recognize that women have passions just like men do >>> and they're THE SAME! Oh no. The women are the ones who are always supposed to say no. And the men? "Boys will be boys." What if a man isn't driven and controlled by his penis? Can't have that. Boys might have feelings? That can be addressed in a different movie. Because it's not about men and their problems and they don't acknowledge these issues AT ALL and THAT is insulting to those men because there isn't even a nod to them and their issues. Welcome to our world.
When you say that these people are the ones sexualizing it, you hit the nail on the head. They are hard-core projecting their insecurities and opinions and worldview onto fictional children in a movie. I think that says a whole lot more about how they see young girls than how the movie takes on these kids. And what it implies disgusts me.
I find it so weird that everybody uses Mei's Panda form as a metaphor for "Periods" and "Sexuality exploit," and what I got from the Movie is that Mei's Panda is the metaphor for freedom of Female Emotions and growing up in a strict Asian household and wanting a break for "Perfection." leaving up to society to have a sexual thought on everything.
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i saw the panda as more a metaphor for puberty. Like, you are turning into something different, periods are just a part of that process. "Turning red" could also relate to the intense feelings of anger and embarrassment that come with the heightened emotions of puberty. It really is such a multifaceted metaphor and means a lot depending on who you ask or what lens your choose to look at it through
It's weird to me how "Turning Red" was villianised before releasing, but everyone still loves "Inside Out". You know, the movie of a girl getting so depressed that she goes emotionally numb and tries to run away from home because the pressure of maintaining the image of happiness is too overwhelming for her.
Don't get me wrong, I love both! As someone who's had depression since I was a kid, I really related to Inside Out. But I also related to Turning Red. I was a cringe teenager who drew stupid art and wrote fanfiction on online forums while feeling the pressure from my parents to be a perfect daughter. As much as people associate Turning Red to periods-- it's not. It's more dealing with the mental space of no longer being a kid but not quite being an adult. It's a power fantasy of feeling like you don't recognize who you are any more and coming to grips to what you really want to be as opposed to repressing your true self. She literally hulks out, which what teenager hasn't wished they could do that? The only difference is is that she turns into a large, cute red panda-- which can also be its own metaphor of wanting to be intimidating in moments of rage or stress when the world sees you as small and unassuming/nonthreatening.
But sure, call the movie about being true to yourself inappropriate for kids before flipping on a movie where we get to watch a physical embodiment of childhood whimsy die real time.
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Very major difference in the two main characters that probably plays a factor too, if you catch my drift.
I think it's the severe taboo behind periods and simply talking about them. Had Inside Out talked about periods beyond one vague mention of puberty, I imagine it would've gotten raked over the coals for being "too sexual"
Periods should be normalized because it is a normal part of growing up just as how boys have morning wood and vocal cracks. The backlash Turning Red received was unfair. It accurately portrayed teenage girls as teenage girls. Kinda cringey, struggling with emotions, not real sure how to handle themselves, weird crushes, all that stuff
Selling pictures of yourself online for monetary gain usually doesn't end well
No matter what way you slice it, making money behind your mom's back by selling photos and videos of yourself to go to a concert is not really a good idea.
I imagine belle delphine started innocently, I imagine allot of the TikTok thots did it innocently. But the second you start talking money it becomes a different thing all together.
Growing up is understanding the other side, this definitely seems like a great movie about coming of age for women. Maybe those same women are protective of the fact that little girls get objectified on the internet to sell their bodies all the time for social gain. Maybe that's just something women who care really despise in a movie that otherwise would be perfect for them.
"It's weird to me how "Turning Red" was villianised before releasing, but everyone still loves "Inside Out". You know, the movie of a girl getting so depressed that she goes emotionally numb and tries to run away from home because the pressure of maintaining the image of happiness is too overwhelming for her."
Those 2 movies are completely incomparable... To act like they should be treated as equally controversial is like acting as if both Sausage Party and Toy Story have the same target audience because they are both animated.
I always thought the Panda was a metaphor for the difficulty to control your emotions at that age which is universal for all genders.
i watched this movie with my mom (first time for both of us) and when we were finished we asked eachother why people were so upset. we both really enjoyed it.
As a 32 year old man, I went into this movie knowing all the stupid things people have said, and absolutely loved it. This was the best movie Pixar has released in a very long time.
Simplifying it down to a simple period metaphor is not only gross, it's also absurdly single minded. As a man I could associate with the movie plenty just from the aspect of parental expectation. As the only boy with two sisters, I felt that burden all too often.
It a good movie but saying it's their best movie in a long time is going too far. Luca and Soul are actually really good 👍 I will say that I avoided watching soul because I felt like they were being cheap with the animation. But I was wrong the story and plot of Soul makes it one of their best. But seeing red is good I just feel like Pixar is actually on a roll right now.
@@tlc1432 it’s just their opinion, you know. Don’t forget that people’s love of certain movies will tie into their personal experiences so this person is able to relate to their own life and therefore finds it better then Soul or Luca, likely cuz they couldn’t relate as strongly.
I don't like how you called period's gross, but ok
@@koolkaty4088
Okay....?
Not to be that person but from all the reports it's mostly moms complaining that they have to explain things to their daughters other earlier than they wanted to… Hardly any of the compalinsts are coming from guys/masculine toxicity it's just smaller crowds sometimes speak louder than others
It’s so odd to me that people see the panda as a metaphor for periods when I saw it as a metaphor for generational trauma and pressure.
But even if it is about periods, why is that even an issue? It’s 2022 and parents are still avoiding the responsibility of teaching their own children about things because they think its ‘icky’. Crazy.
Its a metaphor for a demon. Open your eyes its not that hard. Just use your eye muscles or your spiritual muscles. Once you do this, you may just open the book called a Bible and read it and see just how much it predicts in just this movie. Or just take 10 minutes out of your long life and watch this video to be saved from an eternity in hell.
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Some people are extremely poisoned by religion. Shunning your daughter into the tainted shed isn’t legally allowed anymore so they have to express it in other terrible ways.
The creators state it’s about periods.
The creator directly said the its a metaphor for periods. Parents are teaching their kids about periods, that's the point. Women don't want periods being treated irreverently or being put in kids movies.
I'd say it's a metaphor for both puberty, and generational trauma. Embracing your changes, overcoming the grief of generational trauma thats been passed down from parent to child, trying to instill that same fear. Maybe not so much "trying", but unknowingly driving into that same path.
This movie was so light-hearted I thought it will have "controversial" stuff but ofc it didn't. People should just try to enjoy more things without making arguments out of thin air because they're bored
I really like the line in the end where Ming goes "you try your best to please everyone around you but you're so hard on yourself" because at the end of the day a lot of us kids are/were like that and it's any kids worst fear to let your parents down or even your closest friends it's a line that really sticks with me
I'm quite a down-bad person, and while watching the movie, I literally do not even THOUGHT that the scene where Mei capitalizes her "Panda" was even comparable to someone selling nudes. People are ridiculous holy shit.
It pisses me off honestly. If anything the panda while partially could represent puberty, also represents suppressed emotions finally coming out, where sometimes it’s just better to be open to reallt your parents on how you truly feel, yet at the same time the conflict being the mom who had put highest expectations over her and think she could do no wrong. This is honestly in some weird way soemthint I can relate to as someone who has anger issues and seeing people call it a pedo film and such as someone who was groomed many times makes me mad and needs to actually think about what they just said.
WTF even is that conclusion- That's like saying the way Nemo was kidnapped for a fish tank is comparable to child trafficking
@@rainandhail67 exactly! It’s stupid as helll
They're probably the same people to say gen z is hypersensitive, do they hear themselves??
It is still her capitalizing on her period, and we know that because the creator directly stated that the Red Panda represented her period.
The panda isn't a one-to-one allegory for periods. It's also part of a cultural rite-of-passage that's important to her family, even if in early-2000s Canada, it's a part of her culture that they feel they have to supress or ignore. The selling pictures of her panda isn't selling an expression of her sexuality, it's selling an expression of her culture. Which is why at the end of the movie, she shows her panda at the temple for the tourists to share her culture and teach people about it.
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This.
Exactly
I watched Matt Walsh's take on this and I commented this under his video, "I feel sorry for your kids." Like you said, if people sexualize this movie...then it's THEM sexualizing it and it has NOTHING to do with the actual movie. The fact that Mei and her friends filming the panda is compared to selling nudes...I mean 🤮 Come on. I've got a dirty mind and even *I* didn't come up with that kinda 💩 People's minds are in the gutter and beyond at this point.
As a mom myself and someone who grew up feeling a little like Mei Mei myself, I balled at the ending where Mei Mei sees her own mother as a teen. It made me realize the relationship my mom had with her own parents and it makes sense of why she was acting the way that she was, especially when I started dating. She didn't want anyone or anything to come between us because that's what happened to my mom and her parents. So, it struck a chord in me for sure. We obviously worked things out but it took a lot of heart ache.
It's also making me view my relationship with my own daughter differently and I happen to adore this film even if some parts are super cringey.
Thank you for this review!
When i was watching i just thought "Oh, puberty" didn't even think of periods at first.
I felt like it had more to do with hormones and emotions.
Also, to anyon bringing sexuality into this is just fucked.
Also, keep in mind this movie takes place in 2000
I just watched it a few hours ago and I thought it was great! I can’t remember the last time an animated movie portrayed such a real look at a middle schooler’s life, especially in dealing with the struggles of puberty.
I also really loved the message at the end of “letting your beast out.” It’s an encouragement to be yourself and to not let anyone make you feel like you need to hide who you are.💕
I agree that such a message is very valuable, but don't you think that portraying rebelling against your parents and going behind their backs in a positive light can be pretty harmful. To be fair, Mei's mom is like Beverley from The Goldbergs, but still. Not to mention the message that 13 year olds are adults.
I didn't even consider that the panda was a symbol for a period until whatching this video. I was caught up on the fact that this sets a bad example for actual 13 year olds.
@@aielliott4373 Going against your parents is a completely normal part of growing up. I don’t think anything Mei did to rebel against her mother was “harmful” to portray. Additionally, no one batted an eye when Riley ran away from home in Inside Out. I just don’t understand the take that Turning Red is a bad example for kids.
Also the message is not “13 year olds are adults”, what?’
@@aielliott4373 Do you know anything about 13 years old or are you trying to misinform people? When I was 13 I acted like this by swearing, getting suspended 5+ times and I did get violent if I was provoked but I never meant to hurt anyone, it was irrational fear due to going to highschool at such a young age and I wasn't one to take kindly to change or stress as I still hate change as it feels like I had no control. *Note: I'm just explaining what I went through and not all 13 year olds will act as a perfect child.*
I'd say the last time I've watch a movie with realistic portrayal of a middle schooler's life would be Bo Burnham's Eight Grade
As someone who was a 12 year old mortified to talk about their period and drew sooo many goofy things with my crushes in anime form this movie made me feel so seen and I'd have LOVED to see something like this at that age
This movie is so unapologetically female and captures the true essence of young pre teen life and internal struggles I can't get enough of it, plus all the anime nods! So good
When I saw the trailer I was so hyped for it. Didn't understand why people began hating on it without it even being released. When I watched it, I loved it. It was an amazing and relatable movie for me. Perfectly showed how a young teen is. Reminded me of how I am currently but a Lil different.
When people hate things that are literally part of normal human lives. 🤣
As a 13 year old boy, I was very un-phased by the movie. I never found it sexual, and I just found it as actually a very funny movie, especially for my ten year old sister. But for some reason, my whole school were babbling about it, and how it was, “sexualizing” puberty, and how it was “inappropriate”. I was very confused. And they kept bringing up the panda pics and how it mentioned periods, but I really think this is just the movie being realistic. I feel like nowadays any feminine-related, (guys too, just usually feminine) mentions makes it immediately, “inappropriate”. It makes you feel kind of trapped, and it’s obnoxious. When will people realize?!
You'll find out soon enough that your female friends don't want to talk about their periods, and to tell you their truth that's not because of our society, it's because they don't want to talk about it. That's not something you will understand because you are not female and you don't have the disgust sensitivity of women or the instincts that they developed over in order to deal safely with their periods. That sensitivity is why they don't want to see movies about it.
It’s because you are literally 13. You don’t understand the implications as a child and I don’t claim that as a child I understood the implications as well. Distance yourself from the internet and you will begin to see how warped things are
@da wea my broda da wea my broda what do you mean it’s cringe to tell people to distance themselves from the internet. Tell me why. I’d like to here your reasoning why it’s cringe
@da wea my broda da wea my broda and it had to do with it because when you’re young you think you know a lot. This kid is acting like he sees the themes that make parents and other adults incredibly uncomfortable. Children miss it but adults don’t. It’s like the adult joke people put in kids show but now instead of being hidden it’s blatantly out there
@@Where14 because your making yourself look dumb on the internet it’s ironic
When I was a teenager, the coming of age movie was 'Teen Wolf', he sold merch, he was taking pictures, he was at parties, he was all over the place. Everyone loved it. Do a version for a girl teenager, and those same groups of people lose their minds and scream the movie is evil. Talk about double standards. I love this movie. I had watched, the next day was out shopping, hearing a mother and her two daughters singing that song, and joined in. It was awesome. Women need more movies like this, so do men, so we can see how much we have in common. Yes, the ending was a quick wrap up, all movies like these have that. Not even phased by it.
I actually never realized that, but it makes so much sense. Scott turning into a werewolf was basically puberty (or “manhood”) for him, and I believe his father said that it was natural and basically inevitable, and learn to accept himself. I think I also remember his dad telling him that he has to learn to control “the wolf” and not let it control him.
It also makes sense about the boost of self-confidence, the amount of hair growth, the increase in aggression, him at first feeling like a “freak” even though his dad reassured him it’s normal, him starting to do things impulsively, only using his “wolf” side to be accepted by his peers, and etc. Can’t believe it took me this long to think about it.
Double Standards suck, for everyone
Guy with anger problems because excess testosterone isn't the same as a lil girl bleeding from her hoo ha. Sorry that you didn't know that.
@@jonrousseau1379 yeah, you should really re-read their comment and/or possibly mine as well to get a better perspective instead of seeing it as one-dimensional. Of course they’re not totally compatible, but that doesn’t mean they *don’t* have similarities (like the example about taking pictures and selling merch) considering they’re both coming-of-age movies about accepting yourself and also maturing - not just physically.
Also, he wasn’t just a “guy with anger problems.” Don’t want to sound rude, but have you even seen the movie? There were many examples in Teen Wolf that both boys and girls can experience when going through puberty.
@@jonrousseau1379 The main differences between the two isn’t just the plot, age differences, types of audience, and etc, but it’s also about how they express the “coming-of-age.” Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t say it’s exactly a double standard, but they do have their similarities and they obviously got different feedback for it.
I believe that the red panda is more of a metaphor of change than it is puberty and periods. Also that statement you said earlier about people assuming that Mei selling merch and taking photos and videos of her panda was a metaphor for sending n*des made me wheeze uncontrollably-
I agree 100%. Explaining to kids, especially female kids, what a period is and that they exist is SUPER important! I knew about them very early in life so when I got mine at age 10, I wasn’t scared. I understood what it meant and that it’s normal.
My family’s always been open about that kind of stuff so I lucked out big time in that regard. My questions on the body were always answered to the best of my mom’s ability. She was honest and I’m thankful for that.
there were many points in this movie where i wanted to cringe at some of the things she and her friends said/did, but it just reminded me too much of things **i** did at that age, and i ended up cringing at my own actions. it was honestly such a realistic movie in that regard, it very accurately portrayed what it's like to be 13.
i also thought the red panda more represented generational trauma/repressed emotions than i ever thought it did periods (which would be why the mom's panda was so big -- holding back even more of herself than mei was, in an attempt to be the daughter her mother wanted her to be -- and why mei's was so small in comparison -- having an outlet to be her authentic self, via her friends, and her own mother maybe not quite being **as** strict as her grandmother)
yeah and it would make sense why it's a hereditary thing too. it's generational trauma and generational burden.
I think there's a lot of different messages and view points to this movie and that's what I love most. Yes you can think about it being the mood swings and emotions carried with periods but it can also be stress and truama of the family as well. I honestly think it's a mix between the two but I also love that you can interpret in your own way as well sense that's how movies are supposed to be! Also I 100% agree it definitely shows and talks about the traumas and such of the family and I feel like a lot of people are missing a lot of the messages because we all get so stuck on one view which is a shame. (ofc I'm not trying to say that the talk and conversation about periods being in a movie is bad or should be pushed aside I just think it should be analyzed at all angles and all messages are talked about and seen not just one specific one!)
If watched this film at least five times. Not once has the “she’s selling her body for money” point EVER cross my mind. The fact people are even arguing that is deeply fucked and REALLY MISSING THE POINT.
Personally, I feel like mei’s red panda is a dual meaning. It’s about periods, yes, but then halfway in the film it switches meaning. It’s about mei’s wild side, the side everyone living in this here thing called society hides every day. And how everyone shouldn’t feel like they have to hide it. Or at least, be ashamed for being themselves.
I mean fuck, she even SAYS it right before the end credits!!
Jesus is coming soon and just like the bible said you;re going to mourn when he's revealed. The devil will be revealed first as an angel of light, just as this movie proclaimed and deceive people to take the mark of the beast. The devil hides in plain sight, just like the stuff showed in this movie because its how to tempt people. I hope you take this message seriously because if not you're in big trouble on judgment day. Also this "wild side" is our demons. Oh and these demons are REAL.
SHE IS A COMMUNIST
Her panda was an expression of her emotions. Which spoke to me as a child with asian parents because growing up, ANY emotion was frowned upon and I was grilled for "why are you so (emotion)" whenever I didn't have a blank face.
Imagine being the creator of this innocent movie about a girl turning into a giant red panda and seeing people go like SELLING HER """"""PANDA"""""" PICS IS A MeTaPhOr FOR SEELING HER B O D Y
I legit would cry what the fuck is wrong with people
When I heard that statement I wheezed so damn hard- Legit never came through my mind
My mom used to manager of the women's and children retail section of JC Penney store in Virginia. The event took place nearly 30 years ago, her boss came to her and told her to place the babies and toddler socks and undies cart in the front entrance. At the time mom was like that's weird why it just didn't look good and was separated from the rest of the children section in the store. That same day A Women and some others came and complained to her how the underwear was disturbing and "sexual" and should not be shown by the doors. One women even said she was to0 disturbed to bring her husband in the store because of the little girls underwear. My mom then realized how crazy some people are, and if you think your disturbed or "Sexually Aroused" by seeing little girls underwear that is a big issue for you people. Please get help for yourself before something happens. This totally reminded me when I think of peoples anger over Turning Red.
22:44 that hits home......
not just my parents, but my entire family.
unless im up in someone's face, looking like im about to start a fight, im just a voice in the background.
and honestly, now i only reply to them now so i can say "told you so" later. i get yelled at either way, might as well do something worth getting yelled at for.
and any time i bring up THIS topic, they just brush me off, only for it to keep happening. (i still do say things to genuinely try and help, regardless if they listen or not. and when i do bring it up, i mention each time its happened, and how many times ive had this exact convo with them.)
This movie did so much stuff right. The period sequence was hilariously close to home. The panic and confusion was so relatable, and the box of period supplies is just. So accurate. I loved that scene.
Not to mention the whole storyline is rooted in fandom. Mei is directly in a fandom, she’s a huge fangirl for the boy band of the era. Having been that thirteen year old girl going through life and being in fandom, participating in that world feels like a secret. Mei’s need to hide her love of the band and the music because her parents would hate it or disapprove… that’s such a genuine, real story from someone in that situation. It’s so true. Girls who participate in fandom, especially at a young age, aren’t normally comfortable revealing that passion to the world. It’s considered cringe, it’s frowned upon, it’s something to indulge in only in secret, online, where no one can see it.
Turning Red is one of the most honest depictions of a young girl’s life, it’s kinda sad that so many people seem to hate it.
Also the final song, where the boy band and ritual music mix? Absolutely amazing. An actual bop. Best song.
I mean, to be fair the boyband really only have 2-3 songs with one that gets overplayed but. I took that as gentle poking at many boybands being “One Hit Wonders” verses a lack of creativity on Pixar’s part.
slightly off topic but GOD YES that last song was euphoria the first time I listened! Only thing I woulda changed is making the chanting a little bit louder
Nobody turns my tummy like you
People are reading into the movie too much. If you think about it, IT'S A KIDS MOVIE. And a pixar one at that which always has a moral or smth relatable to it. I'm so disappointed at how people hate the movie just bc of reasons that are just illogical at this point. I agree that thirteen year olds going to a concert themselves is a bit of a problem tho
The period stuff had me crying 😂 there were so many moments in that movie where I got second hand embarrassment but in a good way, I found myself laughing the whole ride
The whole "oh no what if my kid asks what a period is because they watched this film" thing is crazy. I remember being told what a period was when I was 10, and I was incredibly pissed off that no one told me sooner. Why withhold information about it? I wish I'd been told sooner so that periods had seemed like a more natural phenomenon instead of something that should be hidden.
I've been told about it since I was 5. I saw my mom in pain one day and asked what was wrong and she explained everything
I'm the youngest, so I was about 7 when my sister was 12. She got hers and when my parents were going to have a conversation about it with her they also made me sit in on it. When I was younger I hated them for this, but when I got mine at around 14 I actually appreciated being told earlier.
Fr, I grew up sort of always knowing about it, since I had an older sister and a mother who both had periods and weren't shy about it. And I'm glad they did, if my parents had waited until I started my period for me to learn about it, I probably wouldn't have believed them.
"So you're saying I'm bleeding because women, including you, have a painful bloody transformation every 28 days like a werewolf and y'all have just been hiding it from me this whole time? Is this like when y'all lied to me about Santa and Jesus? Fool me once, shame on you, full me twice, shame on me. Now, I'm bleeding to death and y'all got to take me to the hospital rn."
I got my period when I was 10, too, and got blood on the chair at school that I had to clean up without drawing attention.
As far as the "panda" thing went, I compared it to Michael J. Fox's "Teen Wolf," (1985) and it represented the lowering of inhibitions. Selling pictures of the panda wasn't any different, I think, then when Styles told Scott Howard to "Wolf Out."
One of the things that made adults uncomfortable was the blatant disrespect shown to the adults. (Mom says "You can't go to the concert." The kids went to the concert, anyway.)
As I shared on a different UA-cam video thread, I found the story thematically similar to a mashup of "Teen Wolf," where the teen turns into a cooler animal with lower inhibitions; Amy Tan's "Joy Luck Club," where the daughter of a Chinese immigrant deals with assimilating into the Western World and not sticking strictly to Old World values; and Judy Bloom's "Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret," which explores a bunch of adolescent girls growing into their adolescent/teen bodies, and all the world of challenges that come with the hormones, self-perception, awkwardness, etc.
I didn't get the outrage against the movie, either. I just didn't care for the movie.
Literally THANK YOU! I’m subscribing cuz of this 😂 I knew the controversy was periods but when I watched the movie I was like uhm? They make a clear distinction in the movie that periods and panda are different. Still a metaphor, but different in this universe and ours LOL
The controversy surround Turning Red traces all the way back to some good old fashion sexism and misogyny on girl-centric stories being "boring" and "low stakes" compared to boy-centric stories.
few times have i read something so fucking BASED. clap clap
But nowadays there's a bunch of movies with powerful girls, infact the majority
The Panda is more so a metaphor for the side of yourself you are embarrassed of when going through puberty. Females are usually very insecure about our appearance when we go through puberty. She learns to love herself regardless of her change in emotional and physical appearance, and eventually embraces the change. The Panda is a reference for everything puberty stands for, people just mostly think of periods when they think female puberty. But it's way more than that and I think that's what the movie shows.
the panda can be a metaphor for so many things! you like singing but your parents think it's a waste of time to pursue? panda! you can sing for money to raise funds for the concert you wanna see with that- i think the panda is all the things you want to do that your parents won't let you and that not only make you feel nice and are part of who you are, but can also be useful!
the fact that everyone thought of sex made me sad honestly but i get that that's probably the ultimate taboo with parents
omg thank you... i am not even 2min in and im like.. do people serious take metaphors as one to one representations. i think it's a cute movie, i think it is amazingly well timed for me - i have an 11yr old girl and whilst we have never had issues communicating about stuff like this, i think its wonderful that these subjects are becoming normalised.
I guess that makes sense, but why do the family members at menopause age turn back into pandas?
SHE IS A COMMUNIST
@@justsomegirlwithoutamustache The panda is just a representation of individual desire and the indignation, anger, and frustration that comes with being told you can’t have/do what you want. Mei wants to spend more time with her friends and her mother wants her to stick to her game plan of designated success. Traditionally, men are the breadwinners so women were told to put their ambitions to rest and find a traditionally successful man so the family unit could prosper. I’m not saying there aren’t countless men out there who have had their dreams crushed too but it could explain why the movie only makes women pandas. They never say anything about menopause. It’s just a coincidence that women who are going through menopause and teenagers go through a similar amount of stress because the family unit is changing at those stages. The children are stressed because they are finding themselves and becoming more independent. Adults are stressed because they’re losing their kids and desperately trying to create boundaries and sever their child’s connections to other people to control them. Just a badly written coincidence that I’m sure the writers weren’t thinking about because why would they be thinking about menopause in a children’s movie?
This movie really hit me, because, I myself have a particularly strained relationship with my mom. I found it kinda cringy but also very accurate because I did similar things when I was thirteen. I don't see what the problem is with this movie. I think I can say that, since I'm more in the target demographic (15, girl), this was actually a great movie depicting real struggles. The storyline itself was weird, but the message portrayed was great for a kids movie.
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imma be honest I almost cried lol
I can't tell you about the nostalgia since I wasn't even alive in '02 but it seems pretty accurate
i feel like the concert thing is explained by how its set awhile ago 2000s but i can't remember an exact year, as someone raised in the 2000s i can say that in general tweens had a bit more freedom for better or worse
It’s really bewildering that people are so upset about them mentioning pads and periods. It’s not like they show bloody underwear, they just mention that periods exist and you need to take care of them. I serious thought the most shocking/impressive line was the bit about “keeping your petals clean” because that’s closest to referencing actual anatomy.
You’re right that it’s a probably not great to encourage kids to go to concerts without supervision. But it’s a teen movie staple.
I like that they find a balance in the end. The mom loosens up a bit so Mei can do more social activities and choose her own path, while still respecting her culture and parents.
It is irritating at this point for me. Even my folks weren't scared educate me when I hit 13. Better I know this shit than be shocked by it and shielded from it.
I got mine when I was 9-10 years old, no one had told me what it was so I hid it thinking that I was dying 💀 I’m sick of people thinking that periods are an ‘adult mature topic’ that kids and teens should be shielded from ever knowing about, which reinforces the shame, hiding and period stigma later on when periods do happen. It even effects how boys view periods, they tend to shame it a lot or make harsh jokes in young teenhood. This hiding and stigma causes a real domino effect, now we’re left with adult guys raging and getting embarrassed about things they don’t even have to worry about, they rage about others even mentioning it (obviously not all men before y’all come at me lol)
When I got mine at age 9, I definitely wasn’t a mature adult, so stop making it into such an adult mature and shunned topic, I had the consequences of it and I hope the next youngins won’t have to
I agree. Whole heartily.
I was fortunate enough to have a mother who was very opened about it.
She never kept it a secret. And when I was 8, when I understood basic biology. My mom really sat me down and talked about it. She wasn't sure when it would happen for me, but she heard some girls got it at 8, so she wanted to be cautious and told me everything I need to know.
I admit it was awkward, but my mom wanted me to not be scared when it happens. And she was right, when it happened when I was 12. I knew what it was immediately. I went to her and she had a small bag with all the stuff I needed.
Even though my mom was prepared and was preparing me for it. When it came, it was funny how much she fussed about it, panicking slightly, making sure I was equipped with all I needed. Like preparing hot water with a little brown sugar and pack extra, in case.
But thinking on it now, I can't help but appreciate it. My experience wasn't scary, because I knew what was happening. And my mom was very open about hers, and so I had some idea what to expect.
So yes, I agree it is something that should be talked about to children, especially when they are nearing that age. It is so they won't be afraid.
I still don't understand why it is such a taboo to talk about it to children. They are, eventually, going to have to go through the process and experience. They can't be sheltered forever, nor should they be.
I actually loved the depiction of their love for boy bands. I think a lot of girls can relate to how important fandom is and, in general, a huge part of childhood friendships
Yessss!! I was never into boy bands but it was VERY authentic to my cringey teen fangirling
Sexualising minors is never ok.
@@pacoramon9468they were never sexualised tho??
@@uh09I agree we should Normalise wmn obsessing over old men.
And If they have "naughty feeling", they shouldn't repress it but explore those feelings with older adults
Puberty is quite literally the opposite of an adult topic lmao. Puberty, but specifically female puberty is very rarely spoken about, and seeing a movie, intended for a young audience, addressing all the feelings that I felt as a young girl is enough to make me emotional. Being a teenager is rough, getting your first period is rough, hormone changes are rough, so why shield your kids from the inevitability that it's gonna suck for a little while? That just sets them up for more harm than good, I would've felt a whole lot less ashamed for my entire teenagehood if I would've saw something like this when I was 10.
I consider myself as a guy with a dark sense of humor. and me watching this for the 6th time (mostly because I like it and it makes a good background movie while drawing), I never even considered it to be controversial. by some miracle, I was able to avoid all the controversy and stuff before watching the movie with my mom. I then went online to see others opinions (as you do) and was pretty surprised to see everyone hate the movie for relatively dumb or minor reasons.
I think another issue with people complaining about the panda exclusively being a metaphors for sex or puberty or whatever is that, at least in my opinion, it's much more complicated than that. The panda isn't a coming of age thing for the family, it's part of their history and culture. As someone who grew up outside of my birth country, I've always kind of felt as though my culture is on display especially when I was a kid, and the main character is doing what a lot of non-white kids or children of immigrant families do: show off their culture once it becomes cool.
I realized the panda was a metaphor for multiple things, but I hadn't thought of it under that perspective, it makes so much sense! And honestly makes it even better, the panda _ALSO_ being Mei-Mei getting in touch with their culture like no one else in the family did before~
its a kids movie anyone that looks deep into it is doing to much . like ever your reaching
That's the thing with analogy. People reveals their inner values when given something that connects to them. Sadly, instead of realizing that people had :
Multiple different backgrounds
Intergenerational cultures
Familial values and teachings
Up until environmental upbringing
... from parents to behave exactly the way Meilin does in Turning Red during the age of Sudden Realization, Social media users just thinking of sex and puberty.
Ending up in revealing themselves as who they are as they project their Ego into the viewer's Stand In. While far too many different people experiencing this exact problem in real life getting projected upon Social Media Users feeling the exact opposite.
Turning Red is a good movie, and of course the moment Asian like me gets represented in a movie, Social Media gets angry because it's not fitting their Hollywood Stereotype.
White children don't have culture? Racist?
@@gianlucacorrea4216 No they don't because "white" isn't a culture, maybe think before you throw a tantrum.
I feel like the Panda could also be seen as one's cultural identity, whereas Mei's mom, aunts, and grandmother chose to assimilate into Western society by giving up their pandas, Mei chose to hold onto her's because she believes it's a part of who she is and she is proud of it.
I don't agree they all seem far more steeped in their culture then Mei.
@@The1Ryu but they rejected their red panda ancestors to be 'normal/human'. They know more about her culture because they're adults.
@@Jaxxy35 They didn't reject their ancestors they revere them. All Mei's attachment and connection to the culture comes from them. Everything that Mei loves/likes that sets her apart from her family comes from Canadian culture.
Interesting interpretation
I've never seen anyone else look at it that way
Ooo interesting i like that interpretation a lot
I think a lot of people disliked Turning Red before it came out because they feared it would be another Cuties. Well, guess what? Turning Red was not an animated version of Cuties, because Turning Red knew how to tell a family-friendly story about puberty with no bodily fluids to subject us to seeing and does the opposite of what Cuties did, which is to tell a very good heartfelt strory about four tween girls who wear decent clothing and have entertaining personalities, and still have a sense of childlike innocence at the end of their film's story. February 28, 2023, 7:56pm
This is a really refreshing and funny video, thank you for speaking sense to all the drama and for your insights! The right level of humour and information!