@@CantiBun Aigis is the best because Labrys is from the Boston for some reason. Labrys's design 10/10 Labrys's voice 0/10 Aigis's design 7/10 Aigis's voice 8/10 Aigis wins with a 2.5 advantage.(Aigis final score, 7.5 vs. Labrys final score, 5)
Haha I remember commenting about this weapon on the last video glad to see the differences, I love Hunting Horn so this definitely helped me understand it more for Gen Ult thank you Herny :)
The way you explained the double-note mechanic was a bit weird... it's basically playing the last song you played (so yeah, I guess it is an encore) if you play the song with all double-notes... Bascially, in MHW, they made the HH more efficient, but in MHG/U they made the HH more aggressive...
World's HH is bizarre and a downgrade in certain aspects imo. The serious (and unneeded) nerfs to the motion values force HH to do nothing but spam the super pound for optimal DPS, which is boring and also limits Horn options because of the need for fodder songs. Making the recitals disproportionately strong doesn't make any sense considering how so slow and unsafe they are (you can't just throw them out whenever like CB can with it's phials). Also, the hitboxes on most of the swings start far too early and hit way too close to the hilt. I constantly hit parts I'm not aiming for when I go for right or backwards swings, which only further pushes the slam spam playstyle since it is the most consistently accurate attack.
this is a great point, I was not aware of the motion values reduction when I was doing research. But I did notice that super pound and the recitals were the only attacks that did the most damage. Also the hitbox thing is very true (with a lot of weapons) where the swing will hit where you're not aiming, and I see now that it definitely affects HH a lot, thanks for pointing that out.
They also nerfed the earplugs and wind pressure song in world as well as healing songs. I like hunting horn but man its painful playing the earplug s song twice and still flinch from roars
To be fair, "old" HH was mostly spamming backslams instead of superpounds. It's still better because it's a much more fun and interesting attack to use, of course, and there was some nuance eg in what attack you chose to link backslams with when applicable, how you had to position yourself to infinite backslam combo some monsters from some positions (especially without the KBR song, which otherwise allows you to just let the backslam reset and use it again without getting tripped online), and so on. The changes to recitals in World are really cool, though. Shame that after 4U it seems like Capcom can't improve anything about a weapon without making two things worse, apart from IG, which imo is better in every regard except kinsects losing trickshots + there no longer being a viable kinsect for kinsect-only runs.
You forgot to mention that adept gets the fast recital animation after an adept evade, similar to the hunter art. Otherwise thanks for the solid info :)
Remember that “The Rajang Guide you Deserve” video from a couple years back? Think you could make a few more for the Deviants? Particularly Bloodbath Diablos?
I know this video is old, but I have to disagree on the points made about Alchemy HH. Striker HH has the A attack be replaced with the Hilt Stab pretty much exclusively and you lose the Forward Smash. Alchemy keeps the Forward Smash and instead of the Hilt Stab you have the Right Swing WITHOUT the flourish. I mained Hunting Horn in 3U, so for me, the Alchemy Style was perfect because it keeps the moveset and combos from 3U. The Flourish is nice and all, but I found there's a nice rhythm to the 3U Hunting Horn's X and A combos that the Flourish can interrupt and you don't have to deal with the Hilt Stab. If you were a fan of how HH played in 3U, I recommend Alchemy Style.
I'm already familiar with how hh works in both games but man, how much money do I have to pay to put a lot of the valour style recitals into World. It's so dang fun.
Actually the double note make it so you play the last HH song, it will only act as an inbuilt encore if you haven't played any song before or if the song you're playing is the same as the one before.
One big, important difference you didn't mention is that World made the backslam much weaker than the superslam. In GU and prior, the backslam had the same MV as the second hit of the superslam. In World, the go-to playstyle is more or less spamming the superslam and queuing songs to use as "ammo" for recitals since the DPS over time of recitals is far higher than in past games (since you can cancel them before instead of after the buffs come out). In GU, most of your damage in most styles (especially guild, which is the most popular even for TA) is going to come from the backslam, which is faster, less disruptive and has a hitbox that, while more eccentric, is also more useful in terms of what it is able to hit (plus it's more fun to use, since it requires some clever positioning and quick angling to make effective use of). For that reason and that reason alone, while I enjoyed it a lot when I first tried it, I don't really care for Valor HH and always go to Guild myself, even though HH's arts are trash anyway- You use slams much more than recitals, so Valor having fast recitals doesn't make up for it having slow backslams (you have to stance to use them). If you get all double notes in a melody before playing your first song, it will include both the song you played and the self-improvement song on recital. If that song is the self improvement song, you immediately get the encore, otherwise you can encore whatever you play to get both the recital and encore for both the song you played and for self improvement. After the first song you play in a hunt, a double-note melody will play both the current and the previous song, not the current song and its encore (unless the current song was also your previous song). For example, if you start a hunt and play the AUL song entirely in double notes, then do the recital, you'll get self improvement 1 and AUL; if you then use an encore, you'll get self improvement 2 and AUXL. If you then play DUL, missing the double notes and not playing an encore, you'll get DUL, and won't extend the timer on AUL or SI. If you then play AUL in all double notes again, you'll both extend AUL and bump DUL to DUXL. The best exhaust weapon, as with every status, is LBG, but that's just nitpicking.
also none of its arts are good, the best one is the one that lets you dodge while using recitals but its uptime just isn't enough that you can rely on it, and not being able to rely on it, you have to be prepared to operate without it anyway. Even in TA, absolute readiness + absolute evade with guild style is practically always preferred.
I don't get why people assume that support weapons don't do damage? In old mh I always referred to bow as a support weapon but it still does good damage.
I still don’t get what’s wrong with calling it a support weapon or why being supportive in nature makes people think the weapons means no damage. I honestly don’t think anyone knows what the word support means anymore.
Interesting view on world hunting horn, I consider it honestly a downgrade from the previous games mostly due to the song selection being really small in world. The lack of reliably available damage skills(without grinding for hours for one gem and repeating because that's not fun), also hurt its accessibility. I would've loved to play world hunting horn, but I just can't with what world has available at the moment. Gen U has more variety in the horn songs so if I do grab a switch and gen u I am grabbing it.
This comment and another helped me see some things I missed. One thing I didn't consider was the song selection itself and you're totally right. It is very limited in world as well as the amount of HH's with decent songs. I guess the limited weapon and monster selection contribute to that, so I guess its the fact that I'm comparing a high rank game with a G-rank game. But its definitely noteworthy (no pun intended) that the limited skills and song choice inadvertently nerf the HH in a way, thanks for pointing that out.
@@Hernyy It's definitely something that pushed me away from horn for awhile. Gen U has way more variety in the song selection and that'll really give HH mains a treat with all the horns available. Granted people may just go Akantor + Bludgeoner + more affinity stacking, but its fun with that too. The weapon is still perfectly solid and will get even better in gen u with easier skill acquisition and the variety in songs.
"The best way to support your team, is just killing the monster" My Free Meal secret wide range build would like to have a word with you about using 100+ mega potions in a Raging Rajang run. Turns out, the best way to support your team, is keeping your team not dead.
“the best way to support your team, is just killing the monster”
finally someone with a brain
That quote is the big truth
The best way to build tank is to build full damage. Your enemies can't kill you if they're dead.
Dolphinboi you can’t kill the monster if you are dead.
@@comradecameron3726 just press x/a
Mawaridi Ridi with what weapon?
Hunting Horn speedrunner and content creator here, just stopping by to say great video!
Dude, you're gonna find it hard to compete with that guy who uploaded the Valor HH versus EX Thunderlord Zinogre! (Oh wait, was that you? Shoot.)
But you hate bubbles. No fun for you.
Sylas Grayson he doesn’t hate them anymore
Griffted, when will you get Herny on a podcast?
This is the most underrated weapon in mh history. Its rlly good dammit
DeathB4Dishonor it really is, even I didn’t pay too much attention to it until both of these games, glad more people are playing it :)
Aigis is best girl.
TheNxtGmer omg yes, someone agrees
@@CantiBun Aigis is the best because Labrys is from the Boston for some reason.
Labrys's design 10/10
Labrys's voice 0/10
Aigis's design 7/10
Aigis's voice 8/10
Aigis wins with a 2.5 advantage.(Aigis final score, 7.5 vs. Labrys final score, 5)
Dolphinboi labrys's voice is the only reason I ran japanese dub in P4Arena
The last hunter art also gives you s more than that of a normal roll
Haha I remember commenting about this weapon on the last video glad to see the differences, I love Hunting Horn so this definitely helped me understand it more for Gen Ult thank you Herny :)
The way you explained the double-note mechanic was a bit weird... it's basically playing the last song you played (so yeah, I guess it is an encore) if you play the song with all double-notes... Bascially, in MHW, they made the HH more efficient, but in MHG/U they made the HH more aggressive...
word I was thinking I explained the double notes weird right after I recorded lol, but thank you for clearing that up.
“And you’ll find that people will be happy to see you on their team”
We all have that happy moment when a dooter joins the room.
World's HH is bizarre and a downgrade in certain aspects imo. The serious (and unneeded) nerfs to the motion values force HH to do nothing but spam the super pound for optimal DPS, which is boring and also limits Horn options because of the need for fodder songs. Making the recitals disproportionately strong doesn't make any sense considering how so slow and unsafe they are (you can't just throw them out whenever like CB can with it's phials). Also, the hitboxes on most of the swings start far too early and hit way too close to the hilt. I constantly hit parts I'm not aiming for when I go for right or backwards swings, which only further pushes the slam spam playstyle since it is the most consistently accurate attack.
this is a great point, I was not aware of the motion values reduction when I was doing research. But I did notice that super pound and the recitals were the only attacks that did the most damage. Also the hitbox thing is very true (with a lot of weapons) where the swing will hit where you're not aiming, and I see now that it definitely affects HH a lot, thanks for pointing that out.
They also nerfed the earplugs and wind pressure song in world as well as healing songs.
I like hunting horn but man its painful playing the earplug s song twice and still flinch from roars
Cry more
To be fair, "old" HH was mostly spamming backslams instead of superpounds. It's still better because it's a much more fun and interesting attack to use, of course, and there was some nuance eg in what attack you chose to link backslams with when applicable, how you had to position yourself to infinite backslam combo some monsters from some positions (especially without the KBR song, which otherwise allows you to just let the backslam reset and use it again without getting tripped online), and so on. The changes to recitals in World are really cool, though. Shame that after 4U it seems like Capcom can't improve anything about a weapon without making two things worse, apart from IG, which imo is better in every regard except kinsects losing trickshots + there no longer being a viable kinsect for kinsect-only runs.
vitriolicAmaranth lol... kinsect only came back..... hahahaha
You forgot to mention that adept gets the fast recital animation after an adept evade, similar to the hunter art. Otherwise thanks for the solid info :)
Tears will fall in the Greatsword video.
"And remember, the best support for your team is killing the monster." THANK YOU!!!
The hunting horn is the powerhouse of the hunt
A well timed sonic slam can topple a nargacuga in its pounce stance.
The timing is very strict at times. That buttmunch doesn't sit still for long.
So does it also have the effect of a sonic bomb?
@@johanneswolbert3821 that's what sonic waves is, yes. A portable sonic bomb.
Loving the Pokemon B/W music man. keep up the good work. These vids are awesome.
Remember that “The Rajang Guide you Deserve” video from a couple years back? Think you could make a few more for the Deviants? Particularly Bloodbath Diablos?
I know this video is old, but I have to disagree on the points made about Alchemy HH. Striker HH has the A attack be replaced with the Hilt Stab pretty much exclusively and you lose the Forward Smash. Alchemy keeps the Forward Smash and instead of the Hilt Stab you have the Right Swing WITHOUT the flourish.
I mained Hunting Horn in 3U, so for me, the Alchemy Style was perfect because it keeps the moveset and combos from 3U. The Flourish is nice and all, but I found there's a nice rhythm to the 3U Hunting Horn's X and A combos that the Flourish can interrupt and you don't have to deal with the Hilt Stab. If you were a fan of how HH played in 3U, I recommend Alchemy Style.
I'm already familiar with how hh works in both games but man, how much money do I have to pay to put a lot of the valour style recitals into World. It's so dang fun.
Goddamn this music gives me nostalgia
Actually the double note make it so you play the last HH song, it will only act as an inbuilt encore if you haven't played any song before or if the song you're playing is the same as the one before.
Aerial Hammer and Hunting Horn are the king and queen of dunking on monsters.
HERNY SAN HAS RETURNED ONCE MORE
Tempest Of Torment ;)
Whats the little ambient track at the start of each of these videos?
Yo is that Pokemon Colosseum / XD music. My man.
Nice choice of intro music
One big, important difference you didn't mention is that World made the backslam much weaker than the superslam. In GU and prior, the backslam had the same MV as the second hit of the superslam. In World, the go-to playstyle is more or less spamming the superslam and queuing songs to use as "ammo" for recitals since the DPS over time of recitals is far higher than in past games (since you can cancel them before instead of after the buffs come out). In GU, most of your damage in most styles (especially guild, which is the most popular even for TA) is going to come from the backslam, which is faster, less disruptive and has a hitbox that, while more eccentric, is also more useful in terms of what it is able to hit (plus it's more fun to use, since it requires some clever positioning and quick angling to make effective use of). For that reason and that reason alone, while I enjoyed it a lot when I first tried it, I don't really care for Valor HH and always go to Guild myself, even though HH's arts are trash anyway- You use slams much more than recitals, so Valor having fast recitals doesn't make up for it having slow backslams (you have to stance to use them).
If you get all double notes in a melody before playing your first song, it will include both the song you played and the self-improvement song on recital. If that song is the self improvement song, you immediately get the encore, otherwise you can encore whatever you play to get both the recital and encore for both the song you played and for self improvement. After the first song you play in a hunt, a double-note melody will play both the current and the previous song, not the current song and its encore (unless the current song was also your previous song).
For example, if you start a hunt and play the AUL song entirely in double notes, then do the recital, you'll get self improvement 1 and AUL; if you then use an encore, you'll get self improvement 2 and AUXL. If you then play DUL, missing the double notes and not playing an encore, you'll get DUL, and won't extend the timer on AUL or SI. If you then play AUL in all double notes again, you'll both extend AUL and bump DUL to DUXL.
The best exhaust weapon, as with every status, is LBG, but that's just nitpicking.
also none of its arts are good, the best one is the one that lets you dodge while using recitals but its uptime just isn't enough that you can rely on it, and not being able to rely on it, you have to be prepared to operate without it anyway. Even in TA, absolute readiness + absolute evade with guild style is practically always preferred.
*Nothing* for most because nobody uses this except me
Intro music???
HH is the hammer that the hammer wishes it was
I don't get why people assume that support weapons don't do damage? In old mh I always referred to bow as a support weapon but it still does good damage.
I still don’t get what’s wrong with calling it a support weapon or why being supportive in nature makes people think the weapons means no damage. I honestly don’t think anyone knows what the word support means anymore.
We support the team by carrying them all
Can't wait for *"HBG"*
MHW actually was my first MH game but I’m not a hh main
What song is playing in the background? (for the majority of the video)
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness - 2nd Round Colosseum Battle
I know this from pokemon black and white or at leat the first song
Pokémon B/W - Dreamyard
Interesting view on world hunting horn, I consider it honestly a downgrade from the previous games mostly due to the song selection being really small in world. The lack of reliably available damage skills(without grinding for hours for one gem and repeating because that's not fun), also hurt its accessibility. I would've loved to play world hunting horn, but I just can't with what world has available at the moment. Gen U has more variety in the horn songs so if I do grab a switch and gen u I am grabbing it.
This comment and another helped me see some things I missed. One thing I didn't consider was the song selection itself and you're totally right. It is very limited in world as well as the amount of HH's with decent songs. I guess the limited weapon and monster selection contribute to that, so I guess its the fact that I'm comparing a high rank game with a G-rank game. But its definitely noteworthy (no pun intended) that the limited skills and song choice inadvertently nerf the HH in a way, thanks for pointing that out.
@@Hernyy It's definitely something that pushed me away from horn for awhile. Gen U has way more variety in the song selection and that'll really give HH mains a treat with all the horns available. Granted people may just go Akantor + Bludgeoner + more affinity stacking, but its fun with that too. The weapon is still perfectly solid and will get even better in gen u with easier skill acquisition and the variety in songs.
Cry more.
@@MansMan42069 what an awful view point that adds nothing to the discussion.
@@cynicalgold9992 Good, you also agree that OP has an awful viewpoint.
Hammer what?
How did you play all the notes in one atack?
Are you playing mostly GU or World now?
"The best way to support your team, is just killing the monster"
My Free Meal secret wide range build would like to have a word with you about using 100+ mega potions in a Raging Rajang run. Turns out, the best way to support your team, is keeping your team not dead.
HH, weapon people RARELY ever used
Outside of support wannabe's