Fun fact: Dame Charlotte Rampling, the actress who played Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, was cast to play Lady Jessica in Jodorowsky's Dune back in the 70s.
My take on movie Chani is that she is not against Paul marrying Irulan per se but Paul reverting back to his duke persona and abandoning (to her mind) his Fremen identity. Also, she is against the Fremen going on a religious jihad being used as a tool to maintain imperial (Paul) power.
Strongly agree 👍 I'm just not sure how I feel about this take though... From a certain point of view, taking the angle that being a theocratic megalomaniac might be BAD isn't exactly a wild leap, but it does rob the source text of it's catharsis AND totally undermines both the themes of "the spice must flow" being the source of all power from the book, but also totally undermines the conflict that if the great houses learn of the emperor's betrayal of house atreides than he'd lose his throne?? I just don't see an in-universe reason for jihad to start IMMEDIATELY other than to make a hook for the next movie... But at what cost???
I feel movie Chani is very different to book Chani. It wouldn't have made sense for movie Chani to be ok with Paul's actions in the same way book Chani is. It's a good example of a director allowing the character to change rather than just forcing her into doing something that doesn't make sense for this *version* of the character.
@rollinrat4850seems pretty logical to me. If I fell in love with someone and then they manipulated my people and became a mass murdering dictator, I wouldn't blindly follow them. This version highlights her as an independent character over a simple extension of Paul
One of the last lines in the film still destroys me… “lead them to paradise.” Just so sad to think about. 60 billion dead due to the war and a false prophet.
For such a dense source material I’m very impressed at this film adaptation of the story. It takes liberties but still tells the story of the book I love it
@@simbaking6338 You said its getting better with each sequel. I'm just being pedantic and saying that's silly when there's only been one sequel so far. Yes there's another coming but that doesn't relate to what you said about the franchise getting better with each sequel.
the best parts of the movie to me are when the emperor arrives, the whole tent sequence, Paul silencing mohiam and the “lead them to paradise” frase, it’s peak cinema to me
Excellent examples of a director wanting to highlight great female characters and not shoving it down the audiences throat. Good writing will always prevail.
Appreciatee the editting on this vid. Understand it can be hard when the second part is still in theaters. Really solid support to the narrative of the video, and waaay more engaging that just lnooping the same 1 min of clips like many channels do! Bravo!
Honestly, my only big complaint about Part II is that ending change with Chani. It was also a huge power move by Paul to put House Corrino in a very humbling place - just because Princess Irulan was "royal" blood, doesn't mean Paul will value her more than the non-status Fremen, Chani. It is a MAJOR theme in that book (and even the entire Dune series) that women of no/little status, like Jessica and Chani, are ultimately able to change the entire fate of the universe - because it is NOT about the lineage you are born into, or the "power" you are given, but all about the destiny and path you make for yourself.
I hated how Villeneuve essentially made Chani a bitchy girlfriend who stomps off when she doesn’t get her way instead of the faithful, supportive “quiet strength” behind Paul’s power in the book. Her character in the book is so much more powerful. She’s just an angry ex in the movie.
You know homie is deep into Dune when he starts referencing Miles fucking Teg. The goat indeed. I hope they continue to make movies, and eventually we'll get to God Emperor of Dune. Though, with the almost zero exposition style of storytelling Dennis seems to use in these movies, I have a feeling God Emperor would be impossible. Too much inner monologue of Leto II.
I loved this analysis. It broke everything between the two mediums and you found a rationale for why the differences exist. I still don't agree with the Change in Chani, but I loved seeing your take on this 👌👌
Again as a dune elitist - I loved these two movies. I hope for Dune:Messiah but unless Denis is doing them, they can stop…..just like they should have stopped writing books after Franks death. These two movies are , imho, the best adaptation of Dune to date.
I loved this analysis. It broke everything between the two mediums and you found a rationale for why the differences exist. I still don't agree with the Change in Chani, but I loved seeing your take on this
Really loved this breakdown. Keep them coming. So far DUNE Messiah is my favorite book too. I am sooooooo intrigued to finally get to Heretics. Sounds so lore jucy.
I'm not sure how I feel about the new ending... It totally subverts the "spice must flow" logic that made Paul's gambit work to begin with and the core theme of power from the first book... But it also subverts the films own narrative because ultimately the emperor's betrayal of the atriedes means nothing in the end to the major houses. I feel like they just REALLY wanted a hook at the end of this movie and were willing to sacrifice the resolution and even their own world building to have it?? I don't know, the end has really made me a bit uncomfortable about the whole thing in a way... Which isn't NOT like Dune, but kinda why I really like the first book as a stand alone 😅 lol
I am absolutely pissed that the Reverend Mother called Paul an abomination. Paul! It is like they are changing the definition of the word to lessen the impact when Aliya is born one
The bene gesserit sisters are like the republican and democratic party, same shitty agenda and cannot handle an individual who thinks for themselves and I think they fucked up when they realized the Lisan Al Gaib is actually freethinking
Ok I'm liking that possibility, Chani returns to Paul's bed basically to ensure that the next generation would be half Fremen, raised by Fremen therefore adhere to the Fremen ideal. That...actually...can work. I was wondering how can she turn back to Paul after rejecting what he's about, basically. An oppressor/tyrant who uses her people to power grab and basically obliterate other planets and great houses...
In the book he does so because he can't avoid the Jihad regardless of what he chooses. He becomes Emperor to prevent/control the Jihad not go to war against the great houses. The movie simplified this
@@ethancoster1324 Yeah, I'm aware of this. But the movie made it seem that Paul will go to war against the Landsraad. I was a little confused why even marry Irulan if you're going to just wage war against them? Paul did so to mitigate against more damages. He's aware that his action would bring so much deaths and carnage but he kept trying to lessen it when he can.
Alia's 'telepathy' with Mohiam in the David Lynch film was more of an invasion of mohiams mind though Alias consciousness of Mohiam as an ancestor as Mohiam was Jessicas mother.
Fantastic video, thank you! I really enjoyed Dune 2, and mostly followed along, but the additional explanation and perspective you shared helped me fill some gaps. Thank you :)
I confess that I have only read the original novel "Dune" once, and none of the sequels. Hence, my... coolness toward the way that "Dune 2" ended with Chani and her stomping off to ride a sandworm. However, I think the movie overall was outstanding. Not quite on the order of "The Two Towers" or "The Empire Strikes Back" ... but close!
it really bums me out to hear about trolls bashing this movie, I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did, Matt. Can't wait for Messiah, maybe it'll even be another two part movie!
@@winstonschwarz1636 If you read and loved the books like I did, this was the best adaptation. I say that as someone whose favorite movies list includes the original Lynch Dune.
What a experience..I have commented this on every dune video I have watched ....if you have not seen dune 2 in theaters you have to go . I am not being dramatic..it was the best movie experience i have ever had
Genetic memory isn't quite that antiquated, there's some evidence of it with the works of Dr Levitt. Plus butterflies and such insects. Plus inherited phobias and behaviours... Etc. (not quite as depicted in the movie but the concept seems real to an extent)
Less genetic memory and more like predispositions and epigenetics. The effects of my mom’s trauma is passed to me but not the memory itself, but a memory of sorts
One thing I am still confused about (sorry, did not read the books): If the prophecy was completely made up by the Bene Gesserit as a form of religious manipulation and control, wouldn't they be really surprised and shocked when this thing they made up starts coming true?
The BG's plan was to control their Kwisatz Haderach, similar to how they explain they can control Feyd. They recognized the signs of their false religion on Arrakis, but Paul is the unexpected anomaly in the equation. He and his powers arrive a generation earlier than expected and the BG don't have a way to control him. Plus Paul can see farther than any of the BG and understands a larger vision of humanity's future.
The made up part is about Paul being a messiah. In their prophecy, they are describing the kwisatz haderach(KH). So that one day the KH of their choice could go there and rule the fremen as a religious figure. The BG knew one day a KH would go to arrakas and would need the religion of the “made up story” to easily get the Fremen to fall in line. At the end, they are actually surprised. But not by the fact that their “made up story” is true, but that Paul is in fact the KH, and everything happened earlier then they expected.
1. Chani should not abandon Paul. Writing her to constantly be skeptical of him changes her character too much. 2. Flattening Stilgar into a one-note evangelical comic relief is a tragedy on par with what Peter Jackson did to Gimli in LOTR. 3. Gurney and Rabban needed a better fight scene than what they got. 4. SHOW ME THE SPACING GUILD WHERE IS THE SPACING GUILD?! 5. Yet, I prefer these to films to the adaptations that have come before.
1. Giving Chani more agency changes the character a lot but for the better. 2. Stilgar and Gimli are some of the best parts of their respective films. 3. Rabban's death was perfect for how pitiful he'd become. 4. I AGREE, WHERE ARE THE WEIRD ALIEN FISH MEN (I know they don't appear till Mesiah but I would have loved a tease) 5. Lynch's Dune is a trip but that's about it. Villeneuve's Dune will be seen as the definitive version.
I honestly don't think gurney should have been able to kill rabban like in the book, I thought it reflected how seeking revenge often doesn't work out how you want, reminded me of when game of thrones was good
On your point #4, writing out the Guild and the Navigators dependence on the spice find a path through space, seriously weakens the story. Without the Guild as a balance to the power of the Emperor and the royal Houses, Arrakis becomes a unimportant part of the galaxy and the renders Paul's threat of "he who can destroy a thing, controls a thing" much less powerful.
@@danielpudvay1486 why does the viewer need to know that at the moment, I'm sure it will be introduced in part 3. Besides the important of spice is well defined in the films. The whole opening monologue in part 1 was about it.
@@liampugh The viewer needs to know in this film because this movie at the end, the great houses are assembled above the planet and the movie claims the houses don't accept Paul's ascendancy to the throne. In the book Paul orders the Guild to remove them. Without the threat of destroying the spice, Paul couldn't have ordered the Guild and the Guild brings the houses under control. Without the power over the guild, the Fremen are reduced to an army of religious fanatics on a backwater planet.
I loved Part Two, it was absolutely phenomenal. I was looking forward to this video :) You did an amazing job Matt with the Part One explainer, and no surprise, just as great in this one.
This is an adaptation that I feel a lot of book readers are not divided by and that is a sign of a great movie adaptation 👌 Never read the books and I have started the first book and pretty pleased with it. Im very happy that a great director and composer made this a passion project and not a money grab!
The wife & I just saw this yesterday. First time to the theater since John Wick 4 and so glad we saw this on the big screen. Dune is everything I hoped it would be. Bring on Part 3!!!
Also fellow Dune enjoyers, dont take anything Frank Herbert's son and that hack Kevin J Anderson have written as canon please. All of those prequel novels are complete dogshit ass garbage. The story they try to pass off and being "what Frank wanted" was insultingly stupid.
Yee Haa! I went from a guy who tried to read Dune 3 times and never made it even to the Harkinen attack because it is so boring to a guy that can not wait for more. This movie was *amazing*
Love you part 1 recap and this video on part 2 but just found it odd you said “..Paul publicly announces his love for Irulan..” which he never does. All he does is state he will take Irulan’s hand in marriage.
you are one of few Americans (or English speaking authors with no French or Canadian language influences) who pronounces correctly Villeneuve, showing an increased level of literacy . kudos.
I think Villeneuve easily had a superb 5 hour movie to condense in under 3 it must have been heartbreaking to have discarded hours of footage for general release and he said he doesn't believe in directors cuts
I don't like (or at least not sure about) the changes for Chani. While I like that Chani is not a delusional fanatic and represents the doubt towards religious manipulation I was really afraid that precisely the director's decision was taken to give power to women or not show them as subservient to men. This take is a reflection, a political one, of our times and belittles a lot more chani's role and importance in the story, only to adjust to the recent feminist viewpoints and claims while at the same diluting the importance of the character for which Paul atriedes rejects everything and makes the ultimate sacrifice. Why is this Chani important then? he lived around her for less than a year, she's not the mother of her children (unless she's pregnant now), and she didn't even recognize him as anything or prove her loyalty to him, does she even realize how big an important is his role? does she understand how much she loves him?. and yes, she becomes a reflection of our times where the female role is so important that she must always stand as the opposite of the male one and the deep connection that was supposed to be represented by both gets diluted and loses importance, only because they don't want to show women as subservient to men and ignoring that women are literally the most powerful entities and the motors of the story. What is Chani to Paul now more than a summer crush? Is Paul Atreides, probably the smartest and coldest human being in existence supposed to make the ultimate sacrifice for someone who really doesn't matter in his life and antagonizes him??
The lack of the time skip the removal of Leto the elder chanis characterization removal of alia how do dune fans like this? It’s just cosmetically good
Bro you totally forgot to mention Paul's vision of him following his mother to the south and billions of people dying (due to starvation) because of that outcome. I'm curious about what happened in the book in relation to this vision 🤔
Some of the fight scenes and deaths disappointed me in these movies. The harkonnens and even the saduakar seemed to not be as adept fighters in the first movie at all. And the second was even worse from how easily Paul erased Jamis’ Character , to when he walked unimpeded and stabbed the Baron with everyone just watching. The worst to me was Rabban harkonnen and Gurney’s fight scene. Horrifyingly unticlimactic and underwhelming. I think it was too obvious Villeneuve wanted to just get rid of those characters quickly
Uhm but Chani and Paul have to stay together to create the rest of the story, the twins story. 😅 that's why making them split actually changes Completely the rest of the Dune story, because the twins have to be half fremen in order to become more than what Paul turns into. Sorry trying not to give too much away for those who haven't seen the Syfy Tv series nor read the books.😅
I am a bit concerned that the story may have gone off the rails. In the books Paul is a tragic figure, who works to stop the terrible war that sweeps across the empire. But the end of the second movie makes him out to be the force guiding it. My hope is that in the next movie, he will reveal that he had gambled on the power move forcing the houses of the Landsrad to back down. Then when they didn’t, the war became inevitable. That would get the story back on track, and Paul can go back to whining over his inability to stop the jihad
Abolutely love what I saw, highly dissapoinnted with all that we didn't see. With all of it's flaws, the Sci-fi version is still the ultimat adaptation.
One of my favorite parts about Dune was the sound - the effects are amazing, especially in a cinema, and the music helps convey the feeling that Paul is a false profit that will lead to doom! Just like the original books intend to show us. I added the "Jesus from Nazareth" theme in a Dune scene, and you can really see how music changes the way you feel for Paul: one makes him look evil, the other a savior! ua-cam.com/video/fIrPq_QW0po/v-deo.html&ab_channel=DimitrisTelis
I hope chani and paul find their way back to each other in the third movie. Hopefully it’s out of love. And can anyone let me know if that’s what happens in the third book. Basically what happens to chani and paul
Havent read Dune Messiah so maybe this isnt true. But, Stilgar rushing onto the ships with the Fremen to attack the other houses does not make sense to me at all. Both book and movie establish the Atriedes as the most respected of Great Houses because of their principles. If Paul got his revenge against Harkonnen-Corrino scheming, and the spice will continue to flow, the Landsraad should accept that, right?
I loved how black and white filter at the end where we see the beginning of the jihad was a nod to the arena scene, showing us the complete transformation of Paul
Watched a double bill and loved every minute - your Laser Focus ep and the Dune Part One recap really set me up to enjoy this all over again. Almost done with Dune Messiah now, and loving the changes with Chani - go Matt! It’s wormin’ time 🪱
Came here because for the clever analysis, stayed because of the brutal dad jokes. Then I came after hearing Charlotte Rampling say Kwisatz Haderach. Who do you think they'll cast as Hayt? That's my biggest concern...
I'm worried that they're going to shove an unnecessary love triangle into the next movie since they didn't have Paul make it clear he was only marrying the emperor's daughter in name only and Channi would be his true partner.
I’m confused, so is the prophecy an actual thing and Paul is the one? Or is it a complete lie they spread to gain control and Paul just happens to be him
Fun fact: Dame Charlotte Rampling, the actress who played Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, was cast to play Lady Jessica in Jodorowsky's Dune back in the 70s.
Wait there was a Dune before David Finch’s Dune?!
@@ka-boom2083yeah professor x block man fight
My take on movie Chani is that she is not against Paul marrying Irulan per se but Paul reverting back to his duke persona and abandoning (to her mind) his Fremen identity. Also, she is against the Fremen going on a religious jihad being used as a tool to maintain imperial (Paul) power.
Strongly agree 👍 I'm just not sure how I feel about this take though... From a certain point of view, taking the angle that being a theocratic megalomaniac might be BAD isn't exactly a wild leap, but it does rob the source text of it's catharsis AND totally undermines both the themes of "the spice must flow" being the source of all power from the book, but also totally undermines the conflict that if the great houses learn of the emperor's betrayal of house atreides than he'd lose his throne?? I just don't see an in-universe reason for jihad to start IMMEDIATELY other than to make a hook for the next movie... But at what cost???
I loved Zendaya as Chani is the best part of the movie. She is strong and stands for her beliefs. It's a great plot twist.
she also is one of the few paul has told about his dreams and the suffering he is about to bring
I feel movie Chani is very different to book Chani. It wouldn't have made sense for movie Chani to be ok with Paul's actions in the same way book Chani is. It's a good example of a director allowing the character to change rather than just forcing her into doing something that doesn't make sense for this *version* of the character.
@rollinrat4850seems pretty logical to me. If I fell in love with someone and then they manipulated my people and became a mass murdering dictator, I wouldn't blindly follow them. This version highlights her as an independent character over a simple extension of Paul
One of the last lines in the film still destroys me… “lead them to paradise.” Just so sad to think about. 60 billion dead due to the war and a false prophet.
All prophets are false prophets.
False? He is the LISAN AL GAIB! IT IS AS WRITTEN
It is written!!!
silence the non believer!
Lisan al gaib Will give us green paradise
For such a dense source material I’m very impressed at this film adaptation of the story. It takes liberties but still tells the story of the book I love it
Its very faithful all things considered
Yeah I was impressed too, these are the best versions of Dune seen on the big screen
17:47 - "You Either Die a Hero, or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become the Villain"
Nerdist always comes in clutch for the fans who like detailed explanations. Top tier channel on this platform.
Thanks! This was a lot of fun to put together!
Duncan Idaho with the job for the rest of his life 🤣
or he may just suffer as much as Cavill at the end of his Witcher journey
Lives
if this thing really stretches out, he'll be the next hugh jackman wolverine
lives....
Don’t forget about his son getting in on the action eventually
This new franchise is getting better with each sequel...The best scifi movie in a long time.!!!
There's been one sequel.
@@olgil ...& its confirmed theres gonna be another one....Dune Messiah!!! (part 3)
@@simbaking6338 You said its getting better with each sequel. I'm just being pedantic and saying that's silly when there's only been one sequel so far. Yes there's another coming but that doesn't relate to what you said about the franchise getting better with each sequel.
I feel that it is our generation's star wars
the best parts of the movie to me are when the emperor arrives, the whole tent sequence, Paul silencing mohiam and the “lead them to paradise” frase, it’s peak cinema to me
He is not the Lisan al'Gaib, he's a very naughty boy!
i don't know why but i find this funny 🤣🤣🤣
MONTY PYTHON MENTIONED 🐍🐍🐍‼️‼️‼️ WHAT THE FUCK IS A TUNGSTEN CARBIDE DRILL?!?!
Excellent examples of a director wanting to highlight great female characters and not shoving it down the audiences throat. Good writing will always prevail.
It kinda disrupts Messiah though.
does it? i havent read it but theres' a lot of females and their roles in their lives besides the bit about the ghola i guess@@ethancoster1324
shut up nerd
I agree I love how they used the female characters in this story
Yeah you don't realise how many and it really drives the point home how manipulate and wide reaching the BG are
Appreciatee the editting on this vid. Understand it can be hard when the second part is still in theaters. Really solid support to the narrative of the video, and waaay more engaging that just lnooping the same 1 min of clips like many channels do! Bravo!
Honestly, my only big complaint about Part II is that ending change with Chani. It was also a huge power move by Paul to put House Corrino in a very humbling place - just because Princess Irulan was "royal" blood, doesn't mean Paul will value her more than the non-status Fremen, Chani. It is a MAJOR theme in that book (and even the entire Dune series) that women of no/little status, like Jessica and Chani, are ultimately able to change the entire fate of the universe - because it is NOT about the lineage you are born into, or the "power" you are given, but all about the destiny and path you make for yourself.
Agreed 100%
I’m assuming she’s going to come back because Paul said he had seen it, but they should’ve given us some sort of clue that she was
Same. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out
@@ariatrent6263 I mean, she has to come back for their children to be born to continue the story LOL
I hated how Villeneuve essentially made Chani a bitchy girlfriend who stomps off when she doesn’t get her way instead of the faithful, supportive “quiet strength” behind Paul’s power in the book. Her character in the book is so much more powerful. She’s just an angry ex in the movie.
You know homie is deep into Dune when he starts referencing Miles fucking Teg. The goat indeed. I hope they continue to make movies, and eventually we'll get to God Emperor of Dune. Though, with the almost zero exposition style of storytelling Dennis seems to use in these movies, I have a feeling God Emperor would be impossible. Too much inner monologue of Leto II.
Not the “BRUTAL!!!!!” got me everytime!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I loved this analysis. It broke everything between the two mediums and you found a rationale for why the differences exist. I still don't agree with the Change in Chani, but I loved seeing your take on this 👌👌
As a person who has read the books, I feel like a Kwisatz Haderach knowing the furure ahah
Ornithoptger parent....that is priceless!
the scene where Paul met Gurney was emotional for me
Again as a dune elitist - I loved these two movies. I hope for Dune:Messiah but unless Denis is doing them, they can stop…..just like they should have stopped writing books after Franks death.
These two movies are , imho, the best adaptation of Dune to date.
I loved this analysis. It broke everything between the two mediums and you found a rationale for why the differences exist. I still don't agree with the Change in Chani, but I loved seeing your take on this
Jason Momoa at the end killed me. 🤣
Really loved this breakdown. Keep them coming.
So far DUNE Messiah is my favorite book too.
I am sooooooo intrigued to finally get to Heretics. Sounds so lore jucy.
Matt back at it again. I know I already said it in the first video but….breakdowns of books 2-6 now 👀👀
I'm not sure how I feel about the new ending... It totally subverts the "spice must flow" logic that made Paul's gambit work to begin with and the core theme of power from the first book... But it also subverts the films own narrative because ultimately the emperor's betrayal of the atriedes means nothing in the end to the major houses. I feel like they just REALLY wanted a hook at the end of this movie and were willing to sacrifice the resolution and even their own world building to have it?? I don't know, the end has really made me a bit uncomfortable about the whole thing in a way... Which isn't NOT like Dune, but kinda why I really like the first book as a stand alone 😅 lol
I am absolutely pissed that the Reverend Mother called Paul an abomination. Paul! It is like they are changing the definition of the word to lessen the impact when Aliya is born one
The bene gesserit sisters are like the republican and democratic party, same shitty agenda and cannot handle an individual who thinks for themselves and I think they fucked up when they realized the Lisan Al Gaib is actually freethinking
90 generations of cross breading just to wait for an "abomination" 😂.
Ok I'm liking that possibility, Chani returns to Paul's bed basically to ensure that the next generation would be half Fremen, raised by Fremen therefore adhere to the Fremen ideal. That...actually...can work. I was wondering how can she turn back to Paul after rejecting what he's about, basically. An oppressor/tyrant who uses her people to power grab and basically obliterate other planets and great houses...
In the book he does so because he can't avoid the Jihad regardless of what he chooses. He becomes Emperor to prevent/control the Jihad not go to war against the great houses. The movie simplified this
@@ethancoster1324 Yeah, I'm aware of this. But the movie made it seem that Paul will go to war against the Landsraad. I was a little confused why even marry Irulan if you're going to just wage war against them? Paul did so to mitigate against more damages. He's aware that his action would bring so much deaths and carnage but he kept trying to lessen it when he can.
@@tracys169 My theory is that they will set up Paul to embrace his role as the God Emperor to prevent humanity's annihilation.
@@coolgate7794 Except Paul isn't going to be the God Emperor, and he won't be the one to prevent humanity's annihilation. That's his son's job
Alia's 'telepathy' with Mohiam in the David Lynch film was more of an invasion of mohiams mind though Alias consciousness of Mohiam as an ancestor as Mohiam was Jessicas mother.
Fantastic video, thank you! I really enjoyed Dune 2, and mostly followed along, but the additional explanation and perspective you shared helped me fill some gaps. Thank you :)
The puns are ON POINT!
I confess that I have only read the original novel "Dune" once, and none of the sequels. Hence, my... coolness toward the way that "Dune 2" ended with Chani and her stomping off to ride a sandworm. However, I think the movie overall was outstanding. Not quite on the order of "The Two Towers" or "The Empire Strikes Back" ... but close!
Of all the Dune videos I've watched, this one has the best puns.
it really bums me out to hear about trolls bashing this movie, I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did, Matt. Can't wait for Messiah, maybe it'll even be another two part movie!
Messiah is about 220 pages long.
If you're expecting action don't count on it.
Having a negative opinion of this baroque nonsense is not trolling.
@@ethancoster1324 I read them ages ago when I was a kid, loved Frank's writing. So much so that I read his kid's books too.
@@winstonschwarz1636 If you read and loved the books like I did, this was the best adaptation. I say that as someone whose favorite movies list includes the original Lynch Dune.
i think that they will make that chani is already pregnent and she didnt tell that to paul.
What a experience..I have commented this on every dune video I have watched ....if you have not seen dune 2 in theaters you have to go . I am not being dramatic..it was the best movie experience i have ever had
Paul has as many titles as my last Skyrim playthrough
Paul is a character I'd play in the playground back in the elementary school days
Minus my fire breathing horse though 😂😅
Genetic memory isn't quite that antiquated, there's some evidence of it with the works of Dr Levitt. Plus butterflies and such insects. Plus inherited phobias and behaviours... Etc. (not quite as depicted in the movie but the concept seems real to an extent)
Yes indeed. There is some evidence for it.
Less genetic memory and more like predispositions and epigenetics.
The effects of my mom’s trauma is passed to me but not the memory itself, but a memory of sorts
Wow a dune/encanto juxtaposition 😂. Was not expecting that haha
One thing I am still confused about (sorry, did not read the books): If the prophecy was completely made up by the Bene Gesserit as a form of religious manipulation and control, wouldn't they be really surprised and shocked when this thing they made up starts coming true?
The BG's plan was to control their Kwisatz Haderach, similar to how they explain they can control Feyd. They recognized the signs of their false religion on Arrakis, but Paul is the unexpected anomaly in the equation. He and his powers arrive a generation earlier than expected and the BG don't have a way to control him. Plus Paul can see farther than any of the BG and understands a larger vision of humanity's future.
The made up part is about Paul being a messiah. In their prophecy, they are describing the kwisatz haderach(KH). So that one day the KH of their choice could go there and rule the fremen as a religious figure. The BG knew one day a KH would go to arrakas and would need the religion of the “made up story” to easily get the Fremen to fall in line.
At the end, they are actually surprised. But not by the fact that their “made up story” is true, but that Paul is in fact the KH, and everything happened earlier then they expected.
1. Chani should not abandon Paul. Writing her to constantly be skeptical of him changes her character too much.
2. Flattening Stilgar into a one-note evangelical comic relief is a tragedy on par with what Peter Jackson did to Gimli in LOTR.
3. Gurney and Rabban needed a better fight scene than what they got.
4. SHOW ME THE SPACING GUILD WHERE IS THE SPACING GUILD?!
5. Yet, I prefer these to films to the adaptations that have come before.
1. Giving Chani more agency changes the character a lot but for the better.
2. Stilgar and Gimli are some of the best parts of their respective films.
3. Rabban's death was perfect for how pitiful he'd become.
4. I AGREE, WHERE ARE THE WEIRD ALIEN FISH MEN (I know they don't appear till Mesiah but I would have loved a tease)
5. Lynch's Dune is a trip but that's about it. Villeneuve's Dune will be seen as the definitive version.
I honestly don't think gurney should have been able to kill rabban like in the book, I thought it reflected how seeking revenge often doesn't work out how you want, reminded me of when game of thrones was good
On your point #4, writing out the Guild and the Navigators dependence on the spice find a path through space, seriously weakens the story. Without the Guild as a balance to the power of the Emperor and the royal Houses, Arrakis becomes a unimportant part of the galaxy and the renders Paul's threat of "he who can destroy a thing, controls a thing" much less powerful.
@@danielpudvay1486 why does the viewer need to know that at the moment, I'm sure it will be introduced in part 3. Besides the important of spice is well defined in the films. The whole opening monologue in part 1 was about it.
@@liampugh The viewer needs to know in this film because this movie at the end, the great houses are assembled above the planet and the movie claims the houses don't accept Paul's ascendancy to the throne. In the book Paul orders the Guild to remove them. Without the threat of destroying the spice, Paul couldn't have ordered the Guild and the Guild brings the houses under control. Without the power over the guild, the Fremen are reduced to an army of religious fanatics on a backwater planet.
I loved Part Two, it was absolutely phenomenal. I was looking forward to this video :)
You did an amazing job Matt with the Part One explainer, and no surprise, just as great in this one.
I actually went and read Messiah, and decided to come back to the video, paused right at the end.
This is an adaptation that I feel a lot of book readers are not divided by and that is a sign of a great movie adaptation 👌
Never read the books and I have started the first book and pretty pleased with it. Im very happy that a great director and composer made this a passion project and not a money grab!
I loved that you busted out the Miles Teg reference! 😂
I love me some Heretics
The wife & I just saw this yesterday. First time to the theater since John Wick 4 and so glad we saw this on the big screen. Dune is everything I hoped it would be. Bring on Part 3!!!
Also fellow Dune enjoyers, dont take anything Frank Herbert's son and that hack Kevin J Anderson have written as canon please. All of those prequel novels are complete dogshit ass garbage. The story they try to pass off and being "what Frank wanted" was insultingly stupid.
Agreed. I fear that many will consider much of the prequels and sequels that BH and KJA wrote as canon when in reality it’s more or less fan fiction.
Yee Haa! I went from a guy who tried to read Dune 3 times and never made it even to the Harkinen attack because it is so boring to a guy that can not wait for more. This movie was *amazing*
Love you part 1 recap and this video on part 2 but just found it odd you said “..Paul publicly announces his love for Irulan..” which he never does. All he does is state he will take Irulan’s hand in marriage.
you are one of few Americans (or English speaking authors with no French or Canadian language influences) who pronounces correctly Villeneuve, showing an increased level of literacy .
kudos.
Vee luh new vay
hon hon hon baguette
DUNE 2 IS A MASTERPIERCE!
Messiah is my favourite too!
I think Villeneuve easily had a superb 5 hour movie to condense in under 3 it must have been heartbreaking to have discarded hours of footage for general release and he said he doesn't believe in directors cuts
Your Dune puns are on point!
Bro is live action eren Yeager
actually Eren is anime Paul atreides because dune books have been around for many decades
I don't like (or at least not sure about) the changes for Chani. While I like that Chani is not a delusional fanatic and represents the doubt towards religious manipulation I was really afraid that precisely the director's decision was taken to give power to women or not show them as subservient to men. This take is a reflection, a political one, of our times and belittles a lot more chani's role and importance in the story, only to adjust to the recent feminist viewpoints and claims while at the same diluting the importance of the character for which Paul atriedes rejects everything and makes the ultimate sacrifice. Why is this Chani important then? he lived around her for less than a year, she's not the mother of her children (unless she's pregnant now), and she didn't even recognize him as anything or prove her loyalty to him, does she even realize how big an important is his role? does she understand how much she loves him?. and yes, she becomes a reflection of our times where the female role is so important that she must always stand as the opposite of the male one and the deep connection that was supposed to be represented by both gets diluted and loses importance, only because they don't want to show women as subservient to men and ignoring that women are literally the most powerful entities and the motors of the story. What is Chani to Paul now more than a summer crush? Is Paul Atreides, probably the smartest and coldest human being in existence supposed to make the ultimate sacrifice for someone who really doesn't matter in his life and antagonizes him??
DUNE 2 WAS AWESOME!
Did Sweet Baby Inc put input into this version of Dune?
Dune 2 slapped. I liked when he said “that’s how you dune 2” then the sand worm exploded
YES DUNE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope Matt has someone in his life to tell him how cute he is at least once a day 🥰🥰🥰
Great job 🤌
The lack of the time skip the removal of Leto the elder chanis characterization removal of alia how do dune fans like this? It’s just cosmetically good
DEUXNE
For what it is worth, I am totally with you on "ornithopter parent," very good!🖖
Bro you totally forgot to mention Paul's vision of him following his mother to the south and billions of people dying (due to starvation) because of that outcome. I'm curious about what happened in the book in relation to this vision 🤔
Been waiting for this vid 👍🏽
Paul is the Villian, much like Thanos!
I still prefer the SyFy version. It's not as high budget or cinematically impressive but imo the story telling and character development is better.
Yeah i have to know what happens next im going to read the books
Could you do a deep dive into the dune saga please?
I must have missed the part where Paul professes his love for Irulan?
Some of the fight scenes and deaths disappointed me in these movies. The harkonnens and even the saduakar seemed to not be as adept fighters in the first movie at all. And the second was even worse from how easily Paul erased Jamis’ Character , to when he walked unimpeded and stabbed the Baron with everyone just watching. The worst to me was Rabban harkonnen and Gurney’s fight scene. Horrifyingly unticlimactic and underwhelming. I think it was too obvious Villeneuve wanted to just get rid of those characters quickly
DUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone let me know what happens to paul and chani in the third book?
Dude…the references to Revenge of the Sith and The Matrix Revolutions in relation to Dune Messiah were hilarious! RIGHT on the money! 😂
Uhm but Chani and Paul have to stay together to create the rest of the story, the twins story. 😅 that's why making them split actually changes Completely the rest of the Dune story, because the twins have to be half fremen in order to become more than what Paul turns into. Sorry trying not to give too much away for those who haven't seen the Syfy Tv series nor read the books.😅
Paul tells Jessica that she’ll come back at the end, so maybe that becomes resolved in Denis’ version of Messiah
great helicopter parenting joke!
I am a bit concerned that the story may have gone off the rails. In the books Paul is a tragic figure, who works to stop the terrible war that sweeps across the empire. But the end of the second movie makes him out to be the force guiding it. My hope is that in the next movie, he will reveal that he had gambled on the power move forcing the houses of the Landsrad to back down. Then when they didn’t, the war became inevitable. That would get the story back on track, and Paul can go back to whining over his inability to stop the jihad
Abolutely love what I saw, highly dissapoinnted with all that we didn't see. With all of it's flaws, the Sci-fi version is still the ultimat adaptation.
WHAT UP Dune FAM!!!?🫡
One of my favorite parts about Dune was the sound - the effects are amazing, especially in a cinema, and the music helps convey the feeling that Paul is a false profit that will lead to doom! Just like the original books intend to show us.
I added the "Jesus from Nazareth" theme in a Dune scene, and you can really see how music changes the way you feel for Paul: one makes him look evil, the other a savior!
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Jason Momoa is set for LIFE lmaooo😭
I hope chani and paul find their way back to each other in the third movie. Hopefully it’s out of love. And can anyone let me know if that’s what happens in the third book. Basically what happens to chani and paul
My favorite part was when Paul says “It’s Dunein time” and then starts riding a sandworm
They should have cast Will Smith as Paul and have him go "Oh Hell No!" while meeting the emperor.
Havent read Dune Messiah so maybe this isnt true.
But, Stilgar rushing onto the ships with the Fremen to attack the other houses does not make sense to me at all.
Both book and movie establish the Atriedes as the most respected of Great Houses because of their principles.
If Paul got his revenge against Harkonnen-Corrino scheming, and the spice will continue to flow, the Landsraad should accept that, right?
Eren yeager x anakin
I loved how black and white filter at the end where we see the beginning of the jihad was a nod to the arena scene, showing us the complete transformation of Paul
Watched a double bill and loved every minute - your Laser Focus ep and the Dune Part One recap really set me up to enjoy this all over again. Almost done with Dune Messiah now, and loving the changes with Chani - go Matt! It’s wormin’ time 🪱
Since when can Fremen pilot spaceships?...
Seriously, where is the spacing guild???
Very impressed with the movie. Hoping for the continuation of the series.
Came here because for the clever analysis, stayed because of the brutal dad jokes. Then I came after hearing Charlotte Rampling say Kwisatz Haderach.
Who do you think they'll cast as Hayt? That's my biggest concern...
i love your vids.
So who does Paul think he is the ka or the Lisal Al Gibb
How do they get off of the worms?
Why that’s simple. You see they- uh… they get it done.😊
@@forcivilizaton5021 😶
Iirc they tire it out then let go of the flaps and jump off as it slowly starts to burrow again.
They just take the elevator down to the ground level
they dive into the sand like scrooge mcduck dives into the gold
It would be a major letdown if they didn’t make a 3rd movie
they definitely left it for a continuation of the story
I'm worried that they're going to shove an unnecessary love triangle into the next movie since they didn't have Paul make it clear he was only marrying the emperor's daughter in name only and Channi would be his true partner.
I’m confused, so is the prophecy an actual thing and Paul is the one? Or is it a complete lie they spread to gain control and Paul just happens to be him
Its a lie. But Paul has still superhuman abilities through the water of life and the breeding program
A great Epic, the best
Epigenetics is not antiquated!