DUNE 2: Book vs Movie Ending Explained
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The sleeper has awakened, Dune fans! The epic conclusion to Denis Villeneuve's adaptation of Dune is finally here, and Nerdist's resident Dunatic Matt Caron is breaking down all the spicy changes from the book to the big screen and what they could mean for future sequels.
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Fun fact: Dame Charlotte Rampling, the actress who played Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, was cast to play Lady Jessica in Jodorowsky's Dune back in the 70s.
Wait there was a Dune before David Finch’s Dune?!
@@ka-boom2083yeah professor x block man fight
For such a dense source material I’m very impressed at this film adaptation of the story. It takes liberties but still tells the story of the book I love it
Its very faithful all things considered
Yeah I was impressed too, these are the best versions of Dune seen on the big screen
One of the last lines in the film still destroys me… “lead them to paradise.” Just so sad to think about. 60 billion dead due to the war and a false prophet.
All prophets are false prophets.
False? He is the LISAN AL GAIB! IT IS AS WRITTEN
It is written!!!
silence the non believer!
Lisan al gaib Will give us green paradise
My take on movie Chani is that she is not against Paul marrying Irulan per se but Paul reverting back to his duke persona and abandoning (to her mind) his Fremen identity. Also, she is against the Fremen going on a religious jihad being used as a tool to maintain imperial (Paul) power.
Strongly agree 👍 I'm just not sure how I feel about this take though... From a certain point of view, taking the angle that being a theocratic megalomaniac might be BAD isn't exactly a wild leap, but it does rob the source text of it's catharsis AND totally undermines both the themes of "the spice must flow" being the source of all power from the book, but also totally undermines the conflict that if the great houses learn of the emperor's betrayal of house atreides than he'd lose his throne?? I just don't see an in-universe reason for jihad to start IMMEDIATELY other than to make a hook for the next movie... But at what cost???
I loved Zendaya as Chani is the best part of the movie. She is strong and stands for her beliefs. It's a great plot twist.
she also is one of the few paul has told about his dreams and the suffering he is about to bring
I feel movie Chani is very different to book Chani. It wouldn't have made sense for movie Chani to be ok with Paul's actions in the same way book Chani is. It's a good example of a director allowing the character to change rather than just forcing her into doing something that doesn't make sense for this *version* of the character.
@@adamhopkins2976
Yes, very different. Those who haven't read the books (a large % of viewers) would never understand this.
Chani's character was one of my very few disappointments in this film. I disliked her anger towards the end. She wasn't so angry in the book.
I understand why things are changed for movies adapted from books. I dont see a logical reason for Chani's change in character.
Honestly, its a small complaint in an otherwise incredible film.
17:47 - "You Either Die a Hero, or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become the Villain"
Nerdist always comes in clutch for the fans who like detailed explanations. Top tier channel on this platform.
Thanks! This was a lot of fun to put together!
Duncan Idaho with the job for the rest of his life 🤣
or he may just suffer as much as Cavill at the end of his Witcher journey
Lives
if this thing really stretches out, he'll be the next hugh jackman wolverine
lives....
Don’t forget about his son getting in on the action eventually
He is not the Lisan al'Gaib, he's a very naughty boy!
i don't know why but i find this funny 🤣🤣🤣
MONTY PYTHON MENTIONED 🐍🐍🐍‼️‼️‼️ WHAT THE FUCK IS A TUNGSTEN CARBIDE DRILL?!?!
This new franchise is getting better with each sequel...The best scifi movie in a long time.!!!
There's been one sequel.
@@olgil ...& its confirmed theres gonna be another one....Dune Messiah!!! (part 3)
@@simbaking6338 You said its getting better with each sequel. I'm just being pedantic and saying that's silly when there's only been one sequel so far. Yes there's another coming but that doesn't relate to what you said about the franchise getting better with each sequel.
I feel that it is our generation's star wars
Not the “BRUTAL!!!!!” got me everytime!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, my only big complaint about Part II is that ending change with Chani. It was also a huge power move by Paul to put House Corrino in a very humbling place - just because Princess Irulan was "royal" blood, doesn't mean Paul will value her more than the non-status Fremen, Chani. It is a MAJOR theme in that book (and even the entire Dune series) that women of no/little status, like Jessica and Chani, are ultimately able to change the entire fate of the universe - because it is NOT about the lineage you are born into, or the "power" you are given, but all about the destiny and path you make for yourself.
Agreed 100%
I’m assuming she’s going to come back because Paul said he had seen it, but they should’ve given us some sort of clue that she was
Same. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out
@@ariatrent6263 I mean, she has to come back for their children to be born to continue the story LOL
I hated how Villeneuve essentially made Chani a bitchy girlfriend who stomps off when she doesn’t get her way instead of the faithful, supportive “quiet strength” behind Paul’s power in the book. Her character in the book is so much more powerful. She’s just an angry ex in the movie.
Excellent examples of a director wanting to highlight great female characters and not shoving it down the audiences throat. Good writing will always prevail.
It kinda disrupts Messiah though.
does it? i havent read it but theres' a lot of females and their roles in their lives besides the bit about the ghola i guess@@ethancoster1324
shut up nerd
I agree I love how they used the female characters in this story
Yeah you don't realise how many and it really drives the point home how manipulate and wide reaching the BG are
Appreciatee the editting on this vid. Understand it can be hard when the second part is still in theaters. Really solid support to the narrative of the video, and waaay more engaging that just lnooping the same 1 min of clips like many channels do! Bravo!
I loved this analysis. It broke everything between the two mediums and you found a rationale for why the differences exist. I still don't agree with the Change in Chani, but I loved seeing your take on this 👌👌
You know homie is deep into Dune when he starts referencing Miles fucking Teg. The goat indeed. I hope they continue to make movies, and eventually we'll get to God Emperor of Dune. Though, with the almost zero exposition style of storytelling Dennis seems to use in these movies, I have a feeling God Emperor would be impossible. Too much inner monologue of Leto II.
Fantastic video, thank you! I really enjoyed Dune 2, and mostly followed along, but the additional explanation and perspective you shared helped me fill some gaps. Thank you :)
the best parts of the movie to me are when the emperor arrives, the whole tent sequence, Paul silencing mohiam and the “lead them to paradise” frase, it’s peak cinema to me
Been waiting for this vid 👍🏽
Really loved this breakdown. Keep them coming.
So far DUNE Messiah is my favorite book too.
I am sooooooo intrigued to finally get to Heretics. Sounds so lore jucy.
I loved this analysis. It broke everything between the two mediums and you found a rationale for why the differences exist. I still don't agree with the Change in Chani, but I loved seeing your take on this
Paul has as many titles as my last Skyrim playthrough
I loved that you busted out the Miles Teg reference! 😂
I love me some Heretics
the scene where Paul met Gurney was emotional for me
Matt back at it again. I know I already said it in the first video but….breakdowns of books 2-6 now 👀👀
I loved Part Two, it was absolutely phenomenal. I was looking forward to this video :)
You did an amazing job Matt with the Part One explainer, and no surprise, just as great in this one.
Jason Momoa at the end killed me. 🤣
Of all the Dune videos I've watched, this one has the best puns.
Ok I'm liking that possibility, Chani returns to Paul's bed basically to ensure that the next generation would be half Fremen, raised by Fremen therefore adhere to the Fremen ideal. That...actually...can work. I was wondering how can she turn back to Paul after rejecting what he's about, basically. An oppressor/tyrant who uses her people to power grab and basically obliterate other planets and great houses...
In the book he does so because he can't avoid the Jihad regardless of what he chooses. He becomes Emperor to prevent/control the Jihad not go to war against the great houses. The movie simplified this
@@ethancoster1324 Yeah, I'm aware of this. But the movie made it seem that Paul will go to war against the Landsraad. I was a little confused why even marry Irulan if you're going to just wage war against them? Paul did so to mitigate against more damages. He's aware that his action would bring so much deaths and carnage but he kept trying to lessen it when he can.
@@tracys169 My theory is that they will set up Paul to embrace his role as the God Emperor to prevent humanity's annihilation.
@@coolgate7794 Except Paul isn't going to be the God Emperor, and he won't be the one to prevent humanity's annihilation. That's his son's job
I am absolutely pissed that the Reverend Mother called Paul an abomination. Paul! It is like they are changing the definition of the word to lessen the impact when Aliya is born one
The bene gesserit sisters are like the republican and democratic party, same shitty agenda and cannot handle an individual who thinks for themselves and I think they fucked up when they realized the Lisan Al Gaib is actually freethinking
90 generations of cross breading just to wait for an "abomination" 😂.
DUNE 2 IS A MASTERPIERCE!
Great job 🤌
it really bums me out to hear about trolls bashing this movie, I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did, Matt. Can't wait for Messiah, maybe it'll even be another two part movie!
Messiah is about 220 pages long.
If you're expecting action don't count on it.
Having a negative opinion of this baroque nonsense is not trolling.
@@ethancoster1324 I read them ages ago when I was a kid, loved Frank's writing. So much so that I read his kid's books too.
@@winstonschwarz1636 If you read and loved the books like I did, this was the best adaptation. I say that as someone whose favorite movies list includes the original Lynch Dune.
This is an adaptation that I feel a lot of book readers are not divided by and that is a sign of a great movie adaptation 👌
Never read the books and I have started the first book and pretty pleased with it. Im very happy that a great director and composer made this a passion project and not a money grab!
Your Dune puns are on point!
Again as a dune elitist - I loved these two movies. I hope for Dune:Messiah but unless Denis is doing them, they can stop…..just like they should have stopped writing books after Franks death.
These two movies are , imho, the best adaptation of Dune to date.
Wow a dune/encanto juxtaposition 😂. Was not expecting that haha
I confess that I have only read the original novel "Dune" once, and none of the sequels. Hence, my... coolness toward the way that "Dune 2" ended with Chani and her stomping off to ride a sandworm. However, I think the movie overall was outstanding. Not quite on the order of "The Two Towers" or "The Empire Strikes Back" ... but close!
i think that they will make that chani is already pregnent and she didnt tell that to paul.
I'm not sure how I feel about the new ending... It totally subverts the "spice must flow" logic that made Paul's gambit work to begin with and the core theme of power from the first book... But it also subverts the films own narrative because ultimately the emperor's betrayal of the atriedes means nothing in the end to the major houses. I feel like they just REALLY wanted a hook at the end of this movie and were willing to sacrifice the resolution and even their own world building to have it?? I don't know, the end has really made me a bit uncomfortable about the whole thing in a way... Which isn't NOT like Dune, but kinda why I really like the first book as a stand alone 😅 lol
One thing I am still confused about (sorry, did not read the books): If the prophecy was completely made up by the Bene Gesserit as a form of religious manipulation and control, wouldn't they be really surprised and shocked when this thing they made up starts coming true?
The BG's plan was to control their Kwisatz Haderach, similar to how they explain they can control Feyd. They recognized the signs of their false religion on Arrakis, but Paul is the unexpected anomaly in the equation. He and his powers arrive a generation earlier than expected and the BG don't have a way to control him. Plus Paul can see farther than any of the BG and understands a larger vision of humanity's future.
The made up part is about Paul being a messiah. In their prophecy, they are describing the kwisatz haderach(KH). So that one day the KH of their choice could go there and rule the fremen as a religious figure. The BG knew one day a KH would go to arrakas and would need the religion of the “made up story” to easily get the Fremen to fall in line.
At the end, they are actually surprised. But not by the fact that their “made up story” is true, but that Paul is in fact the KH, and everything happened earlier then they expected.
Genetic memory isn't quite that antiquated, there's some evidence of it with the works of Dr Levitt. Plus butterflies and such insects. Plus inherited phobias and behaviours... Etc. (not quite as depicted in the movie but the concept seems real to an extent)
Yes indeed. There is some evidence for it.
Love you part 1 recap and this video on part 2 but just found it odd you said “..Paul publicly announces his love for Irulan..” which he never does. All he does is state he will take Irulan’s hand in marriage.
The puns are ON POINT!
Dune 2 slapped. I liked when he said “that’s how you dune 2” then the sand worm exploded
Messiah is my favourite too!
What a experience..I have commented this on every dune video I have watched ....if you have not seen dune 2 in theaters you have to go . I am not being dramatic..it was the best movie experience i have ever had
The wife & I just saw this yesterday. First time to the theater since John Wick 4 and so glad we saw this on the big screen. Dune is everything I hoped it would be. Bring on Part 3!!!
I think Villeneuve easily had a superb 5 hour movie to condense in under 3 it must have been heartbreaking to have discarded hours of footage for general release and he said he doesn't believe in directors cuts
Bro is live action eren Yeager
actually Eren is anime Paul atreides because dune books have been around for many decades
Could you do a deep dive into the dune saga please?
you are one of few Americans (or English speaking authors with no French or Canadian language influences) who pronounces correctly Villeneuve, showing an increased level of literacy .
kudos.
Vee luh new vay
hon hon hon baguette
Did Sweet Baby Inc put input into this version of Dune?
For what it is worth, I am totally with you on "ornithopter parent," very good!🖖
Yee Haa! I went from a guy who tried to read Dune 3 times and never made it even to the Harkinen attack because it is so boring to a guy that can not wait for more. This movie was *amazing*
1. Chani should not abandon Paul. Writing her to constantly be skeptical of him changes her character too much.
2. Flattening Stilgar into a one-note evangelical comic relief is a tragedy on par with what Peter Jackson did to Gimli in LOTR.
3. Gurney and Rabban needed a better fight scene than what they got.
4. SHOW ME THE SPACING GUILD WHERE IS THE SPACING GUILD?!
5. Yet, I prefer these to films to the adaptations that have come before.
1. Giving Chani more agency changes the character a lot but for the better.
2. Stilgar and Gimli are some of the best parts of their respective films.
3. Rabban's death was perfect for how pitiful he'd become.
4. I AGREE, WHERE ARE THE WEIRD ALIEN FISH MEN (I know they don't appear till Mesiah but I would have loved a tease)
5. Lynch's Dune is a trip but that's about it. Villeneuve's Dune will be seen as the definitive version.
I honestly don't think gurney should have been able to kill rabban like in the book, I thought it reflected how seeking revenge often doesn't work out how you want, reminded me of when game of thrones was good
On your point #4, writing out the Guild and the Navigators dependence on the spice find a path through space, seriously weakens the story. Without the Guild as a balance to the power of the Emperor and the royal Houses, Arrakis becomes a unimportant part of the galaxy and the renders Paul's threat of "he who can destroy a thing, controls a thing" much less powerful.
@@danielpudvay1486 why does the viewer need to know that at the moment, I'm sure it will be introduced in part 3. Besides the important of spice is well defined in the films. The whole opening monologue in part 1 was about it.
@@liampugh The viewer needs to know in this film because this movie at the end, the great houses are assembled above the planet and the movie claims the houses don't accept Paul's ascendancy to the throne. In the book Paul orders the Guild to remove them. Without the threat of destroying the spice, Paul couldn't have ordered the Guild and the Guild brings the houses under control. Without the power over the guild, the Fremen are reduced to an army of religious fanatics on a backwater planet.
As a person who has read the books, I feel like a Kwisatz Haderach knowing the furure ahah
I'm worried that they're going to shove an unnecessary love triangle into the next movie since they didn't have Paul make it clear he was only marrying the emperor's daughter in name only and Channi would be his true partner.
The lack of the time skip the removal of Leto the elder chanis characterization removal of alia how do dune fans like this? It’s just cosmetically good
i love your vids.
I actually went and read Messiah, and decided to come back to the video, paused right at the end.
I must have missed the part where Paul professes his love for Irulan?
My favorite part was when Paul says “It’s Dunein time” and then starts riding a sandworm
They should have cast Will Smith as Paul and have him go "Oh Hell No!" while meeting the emperor.
DUNE 2 WAS AWESOME!
Dude…the references to Revenge of the Sith and The Matrix Revolutions in relation to Dune Messiah were hilarious! RIGHT on the money! 😂
Can anyone let me know what happens to paul and chani in the third book?
YES DUNE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
great helicopter parenting joke!
Bro you totally forgot to mention Paul's vision of him following his mother to the south and billions of people dying (due to starvation) because of that outcome. I'm curious about what happened in the book in relation to this vision 🤔
Jason Momoa is set for LIFE lmaooo😭
I loved how black and white filter at the end where we see the beginning of the jihad was a nod to the arena scene, showing us the complete transformation of Paul
I just read through Dune and messiah after LOVING the second movie. I gotta be honest, I actually like the second movie more than the second half of the book. Chani is pretty one dimensional in the book and her dissent in the movie, along with the other non-worshiping freman, really drives home the anti-hero aspect of Paul and makes it much more clear that the bene gesserit planted these religious beliefs for someone like Paul to take advantage of.
That's literally quite the oppsite for me. The movie justput chani character in one dimensional box with a purpose of potesting agains paul. The movie take away so many roles of chani, of her being a mother, a sayyaddina, a daughter to liet kynes, a niece to stilgar, and more importantly an anchor to paul. An anchor to paul is the way that chani should be written. With all the mess the precient brings, there's chani for paul to lean on. An analog for this is Sam And Frodo, sam without as loyal and devoted guy that he is, Frodo wouldn't be the same. This change of chani hurts paul the same way as undevoted sam would hurt frodo.
Also fremen in general seem not as smart to me, they only follow Paul just because of what's written. When in the book, they follow paul because, he is the strongest (strongest leads), he teach the fremen the wierding way, his council is taken by all the fremen wise and unwise. We literally seen none of that, except the one with jamis, we didn't even see a single fremen call him out in a fight. Yes stilgar called him out, but it is to offer his life, not to have a even fight. Also there's the things with only 9 months and you persuade all the fremen to fight for you?
Well that's just me tho
@@ragingtomato04 that's one way of interpreting it... I would definitely point out that the role you imagine chani as (how the book is written) is completely one dimensional (as is sam in the comparison you make). I don't think there can be many arguments there. I actually think she plays both the opposition and confidant in the movie and represents the "non-believeing" freeman quite well. Most of the stuff you mentioned is pretty antiquated themes (like judging a women's worth by their family liniage) so for that reason I appreciate the update.
It is not about judging women about their lineage it's about acknowledging Chani has a range of roles and avenues of strength, influence, and power. She becomes Paul’s love but begins as the young woman who introduces him to a foreign desert land in his visions and the one who guides him as he integrates into the Fremen community. She is a fierce young fighter as well as a religious leader in her role as Sayyadina, standing apart from Paul to oversee the cultural rites. She is a young mother who finally wins the approval of her child’s Bene Gesserit grandmother, Jessica, and saves Paul from a long coma. She is wise enough to understand the political necessities of Paul legally marrying a princess and trusted by him to negotiate the marriage contract. Meanwhile in movie almost everytime I see her, she always have this b**ch face look, and made it quite hard make a chemistry with paul.
And let's talk about this for a moment.
Liet-kynes, a man that devoted his entire life for his dream and by extension, all of the fremen's dream to terraform Arrakis. This dream is so important to them to the point that, even if someone is in dire need of water, they wouldn't even dare touching the collected pool of water allocated for that dream. This also is the very reason why Kynes decided to help paul. I don't know if DV will still link chani to kynes but it's still doesn't change the fact that she is a fremen and said many times that she fights for them.
So I don't really get what's chani getting angry about when her people's dream and maybe also her fathers dream. will be much closer to achieve when Paul becomes the Emperor. Contrary to popular belief that the movie chani is "smart" but ironically failed to understand Imperial politics
Watched a double bill and loved every minute - your Laser Focus ep and the Dune Part One recap really set me up to enjoy this all over again. Almost done with Dune Messiah now, and loving the changes with Chani - go Matt! It’s wormin’ time 🪱
Paul is the Villian, much like Thanos!
One of my favorite parts about Dune was the sound - the effects are amazing, especially in a cinema, and the music helps convey the feeling that Paul is a false profit that will lead to doom! Just like the original books intend to show us.
I added the "Jesus from Nazareth" theme in a Dune scene, and you can really see how music changes the way you feel for Paul: one makes him look evil, the other a savior!
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I hope Matt has someone in his life to tell him how cute he is at least once a day 🥰🥰🥰
DUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEUXNE
Also fellow Dune enjoyers, dont take anything Frank Herbert's son and that hack Kevin J Anderson have written as canon please. All of those prequel novels are complete dogshit ass garbage. The story they try to pass off and being "what Frank wanted" was insultingly stupid.
Agreed. I fear that many will consider much of the prequels and sequels that BH and KJA wrote as canon when in reality it’s more or less fan fiction.
So who does Paul think he is the ka or the Lisal Al Gibb
they definitely left it for a continuation of the story
how about feyd's unborn child with the princess. do you know what happens? maybe paul adopts the child as his own? 🤔
Feyd’s child is with Lady Fenring and not Princess Irulan so not something Paul needs to deal with
@@nmarie44 thank you, and does feyd's child seek revenge against paul and his family in the books?
That I’m not sure. I only read up to Dune Messiah so far and the child isn’t part of any plots from what I recall.
@nmarie44 are you planning to read the following books after messiah? i couldn't wait so i watched the breakdown videos of the storys 🤓
@@cali4nia420 Yeah I will read Children of Dune but I'm currently reading Shogun while watching the series :) I'm trying to avoiding videos that talk beyond Dune Messiah which has been okay but some do go to spoilers of the other books.
Uhm but Chani and Paul have to stay together to create the rest of the story, the twins story. 😅 that's why making them split actually changes Completely the rest of the Dune story, because the twins have to be half fremen in order to become more than what Paul turns into. Sorry trying not to give too much away for those who haven't seen the Syfy Tv series nor read the books.😅
Paul tells Jessica that she’ll come back at the end, so maybe that becomes resolved in Denis’ version of Messiah
Since when can Fremen pilot spaceships?...
Seriously, where is the spacing guild???
Came here because for the clever analysis, stayed because of the brutal dad jokes. Then I came after hearing Charlotte Rampling say Kwisatz Haderach.
Who do you think they'll cast as Hayt? That's my biggest concern...
Good review screen writers should leave Masterpeices intact.. The Paul Chani relationship was runiened
WHAT UP Dune FAM!!!?🫡
I’m confused, so is the prophecy an actual thing and Paul is the one? Or is it a complete lie they spread to gain control and Paul just happens to be him
Its a lie. But Paul has still superhuman abilities through the water of life and the breeding program
My only quibble is that paul never has love for irulan to declare
How do they get off of the worms?
Why that’s simple. You see they- uh… they get it done.😊
@@forcivilizaton5021 😶
Iirc they tire it out then let go of the flaps and jump off as it slowly starts to burrow again.
They just take the elevator down to the ground level
they dive into the sand like scrooge mcduck dives into the gold
Very impressed with the movie. Hoping for the continuation of the series.
I hope chani and paul find their way back to each other in the third movie. Hopefully it’s out of love. And can anyone let me know if that’s what happens in the third book. Basically what happens to chani and paul
Abolutely love what I saw, highly dissapoinnted with all that we didn't see. With all of it's flaws, the Sci-fi version is still the ultimat adaptation.
Eren yeager x anakin
I think movie adaptation should end with messiah, becoz anything after that is ridiculously weird...
this gives me attack on titan vibes
If the false prophecies that the Bene gesserit spread are supposed to be false then why do they come true?
What I want to know is what will become of the baby between Princess Irulan and Feyd Rautha?
That's a bit of a loose thread, but you can find some answers in Paul of Dune
Margot Fenring.
@@ethancoster1324 Yes! I must have been confused at the time. I watched the movie again and caught that. Thanks.
the hairless hair
Epigenetics is not antiquated!
The one major failing of part 2 IMO was the Fremen running into the (captured emperor's?) space ships at the end. What the actual fuck would sand warriors be doing in space... with ships and equipment they had never seen or used before. Desert nomads would have no experience in space battle at all... literally fish out of water. It made zero logical sense.