Frank Herbert derived the name 'Bene Gesserit' from the Latin 'quamdiu se bene gesserit' meaning 'let it be done well'. The Bene Gesserit were trying to perfect humanity i.e. control evolution. They cared so little for conventional human values that Paul, through BG manipulation, is the grandson of his hated enemy, the Baron Harkonnen. The lofty and dedicated BG are originally exploited as a tool for the revenge fantasies of the Harkonnens. It is ironic to name the series Prophecy as in the Dune novels the BG create prophecies for the Fremen that will allow a Reverend Mother and her young son to lead them.
Well, if they are based on the books by the son of Frank Herbert plus the same people at the helm as Rings of Power, then we have to expect that: The Bene Gesserit were a group of 5 supersexy agents and the term "Bene Gesserit" actually meant "Fox Force Five" in Spanish XD Don't blame me, I don't work for Amazon. And yeah, I just watched Pulp Fiction XD
Jessica had wrecked the Bene Gesserit centuries of breeding program plans by sneaking away and eloping with Leto. Paul and Jessica were renegades and had to form their own cult. BG allied with Emperor and Harkonen and the Guild and the Tleilaxu against the new cult leader who had new super powers. he wiped out 90 billion of them before he was done, and said he was sorry for being a false prophet. Leto II would have the vision of the 'golden path' later, the path of a tyrant, creating a new breeding program and a new BG to evolve in new ways to eventually escape the endless manipulation
I always thought of the Bene Gesserit to be clearly modeled after the Benevolent Jesuit, aka The Bene Jesuit, a real historical religious Catholic group that honed rhetoric, the art of speech (i.e. the Voice), to "stear kings and princes away from the Devil's Lies and towards the Truth of God" (i.e. manipulate them to serve the interests of their order - I'm poorly translating from old French lol). I've never heard of the latin phrase you wrote. Did you read that in a Frank Herbert interview or something? I just studied religious history and always saw the obvious parallels with the Jesuits, but never actually read anything about Herbert's inspirations.
@@askani21The Jesuits are soldiers of God whereas the BG are trying to create God. The BG used religion as a technology to manipulate people to serve the purposes of their order. The Jesuits took vows of poverty, Chastity, and obedience. The BG accumulated wealth, used sex to further their purposes, and took obedience to an extreme..
@@askani21 The Jesuits swear oaths of chastity, poverty, and obedience. The BG use sex as a tool/weapon, accumulate wealth, and obey their leaders above any other authority. The Jesuits are soldiers of God. The BG are trying to create God.
More like a semester or two... Dune isn't that dense compared to more recent sci fi in popular culture, although it's far superior. It's as ridiculous as people being "professors" in Lord of the Rings. It's really not that much material compared to your average field of study...
Okay, honorable masters degree given by my prestigious university founded long ago about lunchtime. It's just a $10,000 shipping and handling fee for the degree.
Read the books before diving into any of the visual productions, please (just the original books by Frank Herbert). There is much in the books that is necessary for understanding the Dune Universe that cannot be adequately shown onscreen. And you can safely skip anything written by his son. As an aside, the Dune Encyclopedia is helpful as it was written by Frank Herbert's contemporaries and he wrote the intro to it.
Excellent run down, my man. Clear, knowledgeable, to the point. A breath of fresh air & very informative. Can't wait for the show. I am a confirmed "Duniac". Thanks.
I just wanna see an acolyte go through the spice agony. Preferably numerous acolytes, with some failing. I'm not big on the Brian Herbert/KJ Anderson expansions to the canon, but I'm keeping an open mind. Show looks promising, hopefully sets up a greater universe that will later support the adaptation of the post Messiah books. I want my God Emperor!
@@Lilgus84yuppp, like the other 3 Disney Star Wars (NOT GEORGE LUCAS) movies and then cried at the ending of matrix 4 not outta love, enjoyment or happiness just…. Damn
@@Lilgus84one of the most interesting aspects of the Dune is the sisterhood, their schemes and abilities. Why wouldn’t show-makers want to explore that and its origins of power. Hopefully we get a plethora of interesting characters with balance.
@ watched 1/2 of the first episode this morning. I hope it is interesting and great character development. Well written dialogue exchange. Lately all the girl boss crap is forced and shoved down our throats. I cringed a bit when she did “the voice” and had her stab herself in the neck. It wasn’t intimidating. It was annoying. Them doing hand to hand combat in the rain practicing was gay.
This was the best breakdown of Dune Prophecy on the internet just great, The Dune community is ready for Sunday night looking forward to your episode 1 review and commentary let’s goo🍿🥂
Frank Herbert's genius was his ability to create a rich tapestry of human interaction with an alien science and social backdrop. His work was as complex as Asimov's Foundation while being more approachable.
Who is Lila's mother? We know she's not dead. Why won't Valya give House Harkonnen a Truthsayer? or teach Tula, how to use her voice? I prefer David Lynch's 1984 Dune... ''You have the weirding way. You could do this to the strongest of us''... Why does Tula let Albert live? & hopefully she is a bigger part of the story than just an obedient sister. Concubines play a major role, what about Constantine's mother? Is it so easy to write off any claim to the throne? Who is she? Desmond Hart is twice born & the weapon born of war. Lila will hopefully also be twice born & maybe more to 'reckon' with, especially w/Dorotea in her memory bank & Raquella? Kasha did mention bringing on exactly what they wanted to prevent. (Horrified to find out Baron is Lady Jessica's father, hope it was clinical.) There's a lot to cover w/only 3 episodes left. Many more questions. Thank you for all your info on the Duneiverse, Cheers 🍿👍🙏
The Brian Herbert books are not very good. They move away from the philosophy and scheming of the original books and are more focused on action. They basically conclude the main series by assembling a superhero team of all the main characters from the original books and having them team up to fight a big Avengers/Justice League type battle against the machines. Also, in the original books, the poison transmutation was more a byproduct of the Bene Gesserit's perfect control of their internal biology and chemistry. They could use their biological control to stop their aging if they wanted to, but the practice was taboo.
I read the sequels, Hunters and Sandworms of Dune. They are apparently based on Frank's original notes, though Brain and KJ made plenty of additions and alterations. Those two feel more essential, less perfunctory than their prequels.
Yeah, it's too bad the show seems like it will be more informed by the fanfic than the original, but it is what it is. Some might say that some Dune is better than no Dune, but it could very well be awful. I guess we'll see soon enough.
@@TerminalConstipation My thoughts, too. Dune is a well woven tapestry that does not admit any additions. It's about much more than just fancy world building and action scenes.
I will say I prefer the more implied 'spiritual revolution that gradually leads to people becoming more luddite and moving away from robotics' type Jihad to the 'humans fire rocket launchers at brains in spider-mechs' type Jihad.
There is one part of the TV series that is as yet - obscure. The Ben Gesserit sisterhoods goal is to control all the houses and the Emperor at some stage. In theory this is to protect the safe future of the Imperium. However there is also the issue of does the Sisterhood want to control it to just benefit its own "house". Its referred in the first episode that the goal may be imperium peace but the real goal is for the Sisterhood house to be the ultimate power hidden behind its master plan. On paper this is control by the head sister and a coup of sorts/
These later dune novels , made many things that were symbolic into a single real learned power The voice was originally representing a mothers voice , which could topple empires and kingdoms That's why it is sally couldn't be learned by men Idk if there's an equivalent for fathers But dunes themes have a lot to do with how much our parents and ancestors. Influence every part of our lives
Travis Fimmel Character Desmond Hart from viewing the trailer. Seem very similar to Caleb in the brilliant Raised by Wolves series, which unfortunately was cancelled 😭
For those who haven't read up on how all the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson (BH & KJA) books came to be: Frank Herbert passed away leaving filing cabinets of notes for the rest of the Dune series of books, which BH & KJA fleshed out, to our collective delight. The writing style is noticeably different, but not enough to distract me as a reader. I first read the first three Dune novels in the early 1970s, Dune itself 5 or 6 times, so I think I can claim to have grown up with this series of books and feel some possessiveness, figuratively speaking, as a rather mind expanding counterpoint to my hardcore fanaticism for Robert A. Heinlein's (Stranger in a Strange Land, Starship Troopers [Paul Verhoeven and his politics was the best they could do to make the movie?], etc.) Future History series and his juvenile series of novels, and an equally strong fascination with the original airings of Star Trek, Batman, Lost in Space, and CBS' "The 21st Century", narrated by Walter Cronkite. In the weeks before these last television shows, little did I know that the term spoiler was what I was searching for in every advertisement on our black and white three channel analog television. Did I actually breathe from age 6 to 7? I must have. Decades later, rereading my favorites, I discovered the inherent design feature of the written word: The contract where the author leases acreage in the reader's cranial space to complete then renovate the story's construction. (FH snagged me with The Godmakers. Excellent book, I thought.) Fast forward to the 2010s, I read all of the follow-up Dune books. Videos of David Lynch's Dune (1984), of the Sci-Fi channel miniseries (2000s?), and Denis Villeneuve's Dune movies weren't free, and I consider these to be completely separate intellectual properties from the FH flagship novel, but on the other hand I keep wanting to compare them to his books. Same for this Dune: Prophecy series. "New character"? In works that don't completely flesh out the original storyline, ..., IDK, seems to be a cop out. I completely get [bad construction, that] DV's point about 'growing up with the book', 'wanting to bring his vision to the screen', etc., but d--n. Great stuff left in, but how much was left out? I wonder if anyone's planning on developing the forgotten toys locked away in the other approx. 22 books with equal love? Oh, BTW, this video's the best prècis of the Dune series of novels I've seen on UA-cam to date, inside of a half hour, in one video. Thanks.
I am just watching chapter 1, and it is quite good indeed. The pace is (for now) slow, IMHO excellent to get to know the characters, which seem quite complex and with a lot of space for development. I would have hated a series of a secret organisation of female 007 of the future. I imagine the BG way more sophisticated in how they talk and move, and also that all of them would be fitting into what we would call beautiful... but we have to remember that this is not the BG as we know it, after an extensive breeding program. I don't know how far the series is based on the books of Herbert Jr. & Anderson, but even if the novels suck, the series seems quite watchable for now. ADDED PLUS: Travis Fimmel doesn't speak with fake Scandinavian accent :)
That is very interesting...so Leto II had to be in all times to be created.The princess who is Harconnan and her love interest is Atreides which is a genetic match I'm definitely curious how the show moves forward. Desmond is an absolute wonder and I think your closer to the truth of it!!!
One of the few reviewers who aren't pointing out how bad Brian & Co.'s work is. Some of it flat out contradicts his father's work; there's a reason why he never dared to touch it while Frank was alive.
The thing I’m most excited for in this show is how many mature women are in the cast. Yes it’s the standard “we only have older actresses because they’re playing WITCHES” trope, but I’ll take what I can get.
Yes, it's pretty great, and quite brave in this day and age where everything needs to worship at the altar of youth and beauty instead of wisdom and experience. I also like the diversity of the cast without it feeling shoved in for the sake of tokenism and virtue signalling.
They're just being faithful to the source material, in this case, as the Bene Gesserit order is against using the prana-bindu technique for anti-aging purposes. They look much older in the movie than in this series.
GREAT video. Will we really consider what happens in the show to be the true events? Many book adaptations go away from the material, we have new characters and Herbert isn't around to tell them.
Thanks! I do want to make another deep dive to explore more of my point at the end of this video. I've always believed Dune is different than most franchises since Dune's canon is always up for interpretation, including how the original works are adapted for other mediums and stories.
Why do people like you always obsess over canon? The books are one story, this is another story. There is no "official" version of events, both can exist simultaneously.
@@ShirleyTimpledon't bring logic into this. LOL. You are supposed to condemn anything and everything that isn't part of the original book. We must fight and obssess over canon!
I'd love to see a film based on The Dosadi Experiment, also by Frank Herbert. It's where he first explored the effects of stress on the evolution of Human abilities.
as a kid my favourite band was ...and possibly still is iron maiden ...the song to tame a land is about dune ..that got me to watch the movie with sting...watched the first two of the new movies .... chills ..❤ lets hope Disney don't buy it and ruin it ...( looking at you ja ja ). when i saw the trailer and Emily Watson is one of my favourite actors .... very excited ..thanks for this vid as i did not read the books .. intimidated by the number ...and im more of a history reader than si fi ...any way THANKS FOR THIS .❤❤
Honestly don't really care to see the Butlerian Jihad. The premise of the Jihad is to set the foundation for the cultural aspects of Dune, not to be center of attention. If there was a story about the Jihad, it would be very different from Dune as we've experienced in the books/film adaptations. I also wouldn't trust anyone other than Herbert himself to construct a story around that event in a way that holds the rest of the story in respect. I want more too, but the story of the Jihad is better left in exposition that it is on screen.
Absolutely, since Star wars has fallen, the opportunity is definitely there, Disney has completely destroyed that IP, I doubt it can be saved, & sci Fi lovers aren't going anywhere
I'm a huge fan of Frank Herbert's work, and have read all of his books (not just those of the Dune saga) at least once as far as I know, and having read the entire Dune saga multiple multiple times, but I simply could not get into the books written by his son as they were just such a huge departure from Frank Herbert's style, and felt far simpler and less refined in their style of writing... The subtlety and depth of Frank Herbert's writing just wasn't there...
There's a reason why Brian never dared to touch Frank's work while he was alive. He has nowhere NEAR the talent his father did and I'm sure Frank would be annoyed at his son ruining his legacy by throwing in a bunch of stuff that is nonsensical.
i believe it's leto ll who is sending prophecy to the past to make sure everything is set in motion for his and his father's birth. and it's also him who granted the gifts to Desmond and the burning truth is that everything is Leto ll grand plan for the imperium of mankind.
I read Dune not long before before the David Lynch movie came out. I had read all six of the original novels before I graduated from high school. I even read the Dune Encyclopedia. It was in the Dune Encyclopedia that I learned Paul Atreides was a descendant of Agamemnon. However, the Agamemnon it was referring to was the mythological king of Mycenae, not the hero of the Butlerian Jihad. I always thought that those novels were meant to be two different trilogies with a single novel, God Emperor of Dune, connecting them. The problem was that Herbert never completed the second trilogy. Chapterhouse Dune ended on a really weird cliffhanger. The heroes had just taken off in a spaceship. The novel then ends with an old man and an old woman (who had never appeared or been referenced in that or any other Dune novel before) sitting on a porch. Suddenly, the old man just misses catching the spaceship in a net. Huh? I had to wait 20 years to find out who they were and what they had to do with anything. I never read any of the prequel novels by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson. However, I did read the 2 sequel novels they wrote. In my opinion, they weren't worth the wait. I didn't think those novels were very good. But I did at least find out what was going on at the end of Chapterhouse Dune. However, I don't really remember anything about those books, except that the old man and the old woman were characters from one of the prequel series I didn't read. After all that, I have a question. Given that I thought the 2 books I read by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson were not very good and that Dune Prophecy is based on other books they wrote, is Dune Prophecy worth my time?
First reviews say it's too much of just an IP pleaser, doesn't really do the content service. It's definitely no Denis production. But I hope it's still decent.
Watched the first episode. Not bad. Kinda have liked to have seen one based on the robot - human rebellion. The books tended to downplay this as history vs the TV series seemed to show it as Terminator and while machines are outlawed, interplanetary craft that can warp time and space are allowed?
In the Schools Trilogy, the remnants of the Butlerian Jihad use their religious beliefs to justify their use of ships as a necessary evil to spread their anti-machine mission throughout the Imperium. They acknowledge this use of the machinery that they are so against, but claim that this proves their mastery over machines instead of machines controlling humans.
I can understand why they didn't do that. A lot of "fans" would be furious. I can just see the thousands of angry social media posts : those shiny robot stuff does not belong in Dune! Keep that awful stuff in terminator movies etc. Star wars "fans" are still mad because a group of young people The book of Boba Fett wore bright clothes, had colorful hair and rode colourful bikes. I can still hear the angry 'that's not my starwars!' comments. Never mind that a galaxy with millions of star systems and probably thousands of planets and hundreds of intelligent species will very likely have some colorful teenagers some where. But noooo! We must continue only the people who wear drab baggy clothes and robes and run around desert planets only! And don't get them started on the presence of a Casino on one starwars planet! The sacrilege!
It has been a long time since I read the books and I may have missed something but, I thought Vorian Atreides was still alive at the end of the schools trilogy. He would occasionally go under cover to hide from his fame and prevent backlash over his life extension treatments. I always assumed that he would reappear in later books. 🤷
**SPOILERS** Yes, you're correct! But many, including Valya and Tula, are led to believe he is dead by the end of Navigators of Dune. Who knows if he'll ever appear again?
The prequel Brian books were fun, at least up until Princess of Dune. Brian couldnt capture Franks characters at all. Young Leto, young Jessica, young Paul, Duncan, all were oversimplified drool. Legends though was fun. Occasionally stupid - androids big bads that show up to be beaten way too easily.... But fun.
Do you think I should read the legends and schools trilogies? And “book 7?” These are the last three components of Brian’s work that I have yet to read, I’ve read everything else, rather quickly surprisingly lol.
Boy do I appreciate you breaking this all down. It helps me to understand that I'm not actually interested in reading/watching the whole story but I do like the breakdowns
Before the Spacing Guild, humans had used plenty of FTL ships, but those ships relied on advanced technology. After a Tlulaxu trader discovered the use of spice on Arrakis and it became a commodity, the developers of the Holtzman engines then learned of the transformative and mind-expanding properties of spice, which led to the creation of the first Navigators.
How did humans manage to defeat the machines? Even if Humans advance their capabilities to levels well beyond current levels there would be a hard limit set by biological restrictions, whereas a self aware machine would be able to continuously improve it's capabilities unlimited by biology (For example, we could not make a human brain larger than size of our skull, but a self aware computer could continue to expand it's size and capacity beyond the size of a building), how would humans be able to defeat that?
This series is a sequel to Sisterhood of Dune, which is the 3rd novel in the Schools trilogy. The two Harkonnen sisters were in their 20s and the emperor Javicco Corrino was just a kid in that book, so this must be decades later. But more importantly the Herbert/Anderson novels are hotly debated because they were written after Frank's death, the two writers have a very different writing style that seems amateurish and implausible storylines, awful dialog, and 2-dimensionsl stereotypical characters. Many fans of Frank Herbert's original Dune books hate them and considering them non-cannon.
@ The Caladan series (don’t know if you read it but it’s KJA and BH’s recent Dune books). The ending of this series contradicted Frank Herbert’s reasoning for the Harkonnen’s being taken away from Arrakis.
I read Dune in 1977. High school freshman year during summer school. In SoCal LA basin. This is important to mention. Back then “smog control” was an oxymoron. The air would actually become orange from photo chemical nitrous smog. So in the hot afternoon to evening I’d read it in my not-cool-enough home surrounded by heat and orange brown air. I felt like I was there. Immersive. Also I’d bought a bargain bin LP named Dune. With jazz songs based on the book. David matthews. Not that DM, sorry. So I’d play the album and read. Here. I recommend a quick listen. ua-cam.com/video/ZDtncFNhZRE/v-deo.htmlsi=6CfVvs_Q8rYfX1Qa Good times.
While HBO is Not Flawless in Execution… it will have to go a Long Way Down to displace dune 2020’s Writing and Acting. And it will need to reach Stupid Levels in Execution to displace Amazons Wheel and Rings at the Bottom. Here’s hoping Dune Prophecy is Good to Great.
@@ocularpatdownOriginal BSG was in the near present, and started getting close to present-day Earth at the end of the series, before a cheaply made spin-off really took place on Earth in the 1980s. Remake of BSG seemed like an alternative universe, but idk tbh.
I've read almost all of the Dune novels. Included the pre-, in- and sequels. I hope this isn't going to become another disappointment like the adaptation of the Foundation series.
Frank Herbert derived the name 'Bene Gesserit' from the Latin 'quamdiu se bene gesserit' meaning 'let it be done well'. The Bene Gesserit were trying to perfect humanity i.e. control evolution. They cared so little for conventional human values that Paul, through BG manipulation, is the grandson of his hated enemy, the Baron Harkonnen. The lofty and dedicated BG are originally exploited as a tool for the revenge fantasies of the Harkonnens. It is ironic to name the series Prophecy as in the Dune novels the BG create prophecies for the Fremen that will allow a Reverend Mother and her young son to lead them.
Well, if they are based on the books by the son of Frank Herbert plus the same people at the helm as Rings of Power, then we have to expect that:
The Bene Gesserit were a group of 5 supersexy agents and the term "Bene Gesserit" actually meant "Fox Force Five" in Spanish XD
Don't blame me, I don't work for Amazon. And yeah, I just watched Pulp Fiction XD
Jessica had wrecked the Bene Gesserit centuries of breeding program plans by sneaking away and eloping with Leto. Paul and Jessica were renegades and had to form their own cult. BG allied with Emperor and Harkonen and the Guild and the Tleilaxu against the new cult leader who had new super powers. he wiped out 90 billion of them before he was done, and said he was sorry for being a false prophet. Leto II would have the vision of the 'golden path' later, the path of a tyrant, creating a new breeding program and a new BG to evolve in new ways to eventually escape the endless manipulation
I always thought of the Bene Gesserit to be clearly modeled after the Benevolent Jesuit, aka The Bene Jesuit, a real historical religious Catholic group that honed rhetoric, the art of speech (i.e. the Voice), to "stear kings and princes away from the Devil's Lies and towards the Truth of God" (i.e. manipulate them to serve the interests of their order - I'm poorly translating from old French lol).
I've never heard of the latin phrase you wrote. Did you read that in a Frank Herbert interview or something? I just studied religious history and always saw the obvious parallels with the Jesuits, but never actually read anything about Herbert's inspirations.
@@askani21The Jesuits are soldiers of God whereas the BG are trying to create God. The BG used religion as a technology to manipulate people to serve the purposes of their order. The Jesuits took vows of poverty, Chastity, and obedience. The BG accumulated wealth, used sex to further their purposes, and took obedience to an extreme..
@@askani21 The Jesuits swear oaths of chastity, poverty, and obedience. The BG use sex as a tool/weapon, accumulate wealth, and obey their leaders above any other authority. The Jesuits are soldiers of God. The BG are trying to create God.
Many thanks for this comprehensive backgrounder! Much appreciated!
Someone give this man an Honorable masters degree
I'll take an Honored Matre degree instead
and a pinch of spice melange...
More like a semester or two...
Dune isn't that dense compared to more recent sci fi in popular culture, although it's far superior.
It's as ridiculous as people being "professors" in Lord of the Rings.
It's really not that much material compared to your average field of study...
@@thatmattcaronguywell played
Okay, honorable masters degree given by my prestigious university founded long ago about lunchtime. It's just a $10,000 shipping and handling fee for the degree.
My dude has a PHd in Dune
👋
Er, no he doesn't.
I just got into the Dune universe as of 2 am last night…and I’m hooked
Read the books before diving into any of the visual productions, please (just the original books by Frank Herbert). There is much in the books that is necessary for understanding the Dune Universe that cannot be adequately shown onscreen. And you can safely skip anything written by his son. As an aside, the Dune Encyclopedia is helpful as it was written by Frank Herbert's contemporaries and he wrote the intro to it.
Excellent summary
Excellent run down, my man. Clear, knowledgeable, to the point. A breath of fresh air & very informative. Can't wait for the show. I am a confirmed "Duniac". Thanks.
I'm very excited for this show. I think a series gives more time to get into the nitty gritty of these wonderful stories :)
it got SLAUGHTERED by critics....just warning u.
It's out already??
@@hansenbee123
If it was slaughtered by critics, then it must be good
Yay more Dune stuff please ❤
Anybody want to bet that this Desmond guy is going to be the great-grandfather of Duncan Idaho
It's like 10K years difference in timeline
I just wanna see an acolyte go through the spice agony. Preferably numerous acolytes, with some failing. I'm not big on the Brian Herbert/KJ Anderson expansions to the canon, but I'm keeping an open mind. Show looks promising, hopefully sets up a greater universe that will later support the adaptation of the post Messiah books. I want my God Emperor!
I want my Leto II too! But also Dar Odrade and Miles Teg too! 🤞
This is going to flop. Instantly what I thought was the acolyte. Girl boss bullshit that no one asked for. Sick of this woke shit. 😊
@@Lilgus84yuppp, like the other 3 Disney Star Wars (NOT GEORGE LUCAS) movies and then cried at the ending of matrix 4 not outta love, enjoyment or happiness just…. Damn
@@Lilgus84one of the most interesting aspects of the Dune is the sisterhood, their schemes and abilities. Why wouldn’t show-makers want to explore that and its origins of power. Hopefully we get a plethora of interesting characters with balance.
@ watched 1/2 of the first episode this morning. I hope it is interesting and great character development. Well written dialogue exchange. Lately all the girl boss crap is forced and shoved down our throats. I cringed a bit when she did “the voice” and had her stab herself in the neck. It wasn’t intimidating. It was annoying. Them doing hand to hand combat in the rain practicing was gay.
Well done sir. Well done
This was the best breakdown of Dune Prophecy on the internet just great, The Dune community is ready for Sunday night looking forward to your episode 1 review and commentary let’s goo🍿🥂
Post appreciated and looking forward to this take on the franchise 🤘🏼👀
Thanks! I'm excited to see what's in store
I’m completely new to Dune and this explanation is amazing…thank you
Frank Herbert's genius was his ability to create a rich tapestry of human interaction with an alien science and social backdrop. His work was as complex as Asimov's Foundation while being more approachable.
Who is Lila's mother? We know she's not dead.
Why won't Valya give House Harkonnen a Truthsayer? or teach Tula, how to use her voice?
I prefer David Lynch's 1984 Dune... ''You have the weirding way. You could do this to the strongest of us''...
Why does Tula let Albert live? & hopefully she is a bigger part of the story than just an obedient sister.
Concubines play a major role, what about Constantine's mother? Is it so easy to write off any claim to the throne? Who is she?
Desmond Hart is twice born & the weapon born of war. Lila will hopefully also be twice born & maybe more to 'reckon' with, especially w/Dorotea in her memory bank & Raquella? Kasha did mention bringing on exactly what they wanted to prevent.
(Horrified to find out Baron is Lady Jessica's father, hope it was clinical.)
There's a lot to cover w/only 3 episodes left. Many more questions.
Thank you for all your info on the Duneiverse, Cheers 🍿👍🙏
Very nice breakdown of the duniverse
Had me at "I was in the middle of something." Liked/subscribed.
You GO! Nerdist! 👍😀
This man knows a lot of lore about Dune and thanks for the explanations from my end.
The Brian Herbert books are not very good. They move away from the philosophy and scheming of the original books and are more focused on action. They basically conclude the main series by assembling a superhero team of all the main characters from the original books and having them team up to fight a big Avengers/Justice League type battle against the machines.
Also, in the original books, the poison transmutation was more a byproduct of the Bene Gesserit's perfect control of their internal biology and chemistry. They could use their biological control to stop their aging if they wanted to, but the practice was taboo.
I read the sequels, Hunters and Sandworms of Dune. They are apparently based on Frank's original notes, though Brain and KJ made plenty of additions and alterations. Those two feel more essential, less perfunctory than their prequels.
Stop encouraging Zach Snyder!
its just cash milking on the franchise his father created.
Yeah, it's too bad the show seems like it will be more informed by the fanfic than the original, but it is what it is. Some might say that some Dune is better than no Dune, but it could very well be awful. I guess we'll see soon enough.
@@TerminalConstipation My thoughts, too. Dune is a well woven tapestry that does not admit any additions. It's about much more than just fancy world building and action scenes.
Took me 1:35 into the video to subscribe, awesome content man
This man needs a DUNE-ASTERS DEGREE ! BRAVO
Honestly thankful for channels like this 😊
Thank you for explaining
you know your subject material very well
I will say I prefer the more implied 'spiritual revolution that gradually leads to people becoming more luddite and moving away from robotics' type Jihad to the 'humans fire rocket launchers at brains in spider-mechs' type Jihad.
frank gave his blessing to the Dune Encyclopedia.
With the reservation that he wasn't bound to follow it as canon.
Appreciate the breakdown
Leopold von Sacher-Masoch: What is in the box?
*Reverend Mother Mohiam:* Pain.
*Leopold:* Oh, baby! I'm *SOOOOOO* in!
There is one part of the TV series that is as yet - obscure. The Ben Gesserit sisterhoods goal is to control all the houses and the Emperor at some stage. In theory this is to protect the safe future of the Imperium. However there is also the issue of does the Sisterhood want to control it to just benefit its own "house". Its referred in the first episode that the goal may be imperium peace but the real goal is for the Sisterhood house to be the ultimate power hidden behind its master plan. On paper this is control by the head sister and a coup of sorts/
I have used the litany against fear to help a panic attack pass.
Well done young fella very good explanation of this grand epic universe. Thanks especially for including Asimov's Robot universe as well 😍
These later dune novels , made many things that were symbolic into a single real learned power
The voice was originally representing a mothers voice , which could topple empires and kingdoms
That's why it is sally couldn't be learned by men
Idk if there's an equivalent for fathers
But dunes themes have a lot to do with how much our parents and ancestors. Influence every part of our lives
Paul Atreides uses Voice. So does his son (books not film)
Then the reason men couldn't do it
Bc it just was never taught to men
Travis Fimmel Character Desmond Hart from viewing the trailer. Seem very similar to Caleb in the brilliant Raised by Wolves series, which unfortunately was cancelled 😭
congrats you got a sub with your intro alone.
For those who haven't read up on how all the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson (BH & KJA) books came to be: Frank Herbert passed away leaving filing cabinets of notes for the rest of the Dune series of books, which BH & KJA fleshed out, to our collective delight. The writing style is noticeably different, but not enough to distract me as a reader. I first read the first three Dune novels in the early 1970s, Dune itself 5 or 6 times, so I think I can claim to have grown up with this series of books and feel some possessiveness, figuratively speaking, as a rather mind expanding counterpoint to my hardcore fanaticism for Robert A. Heinlein's (Stranger in a Strange Land, Starship Troopers [Paul Verhoeven and his politics was the best they could do to make the movie?], etc.) Future History series and his juvenile series of novels, and an equally strong fascination with the original airings of Star Trek, Batman, Lost in Space, and CBS' "The 21st Century", narrated by Walter Cronkite. In the weeks before these last television shows, little did I know that the term spoiler was what I was searching for in every advertisement on our black and white three channel analog television. Did I actually breathe from age 6 to 7? I must have. Decades later, rereading my favorites, I discovered the inherent design feature of the written word: The contract where the author leases acreage in the reader's cranial space to complete then renovate the story's construction. (FH snagged me with The Godmakers. Excellent book, I thought.) Fast forward to the 2010s, I read all of the follow-up Dune books. Videos of David Lynch's Dune (1984), of the Sci-Fi channel miniseries (2000s?), and Denis Villeneuve's Dune movies weren't free, and I consider these to be completely separate intellectual properties from the FH flagship novel, but on the other hand I keep wanting to compare them to his books. Same for this Dune: Prophecy series. "New character"? In works that don't completely flesh out the original storyline, ..., IDK, seems to be a cop out. I completely get [bad construction, that] DV's point about 'growing up with the book', 'wanting to bring his vision to the screen', etc., but d--n. Great stuff left in, but how much was left out? I wonder if anyone's planning on developing the forgotten toys locked away in the other approx. 22 books with equal love?
Oh, BTW, this video's the best prècis of the Dune series of novels I've seen on UA-cam to date, inside of a half hour, in one video. Thanks.
Bravo. Amazing breakdown
I am just watching chapter 1, and it is quite good indeed.
The pace is (for now) slow, IMHO excellent to get to know the characters, which seem quite complex and with a lot of space for development.
I would have hated a series of a secret organisation of female 007 of the future.
I imagine the BG way more sophisticated in how they talk and move, and also that all of them would be fitting into what we would call beautiful... but we have to remember that this is not the BG as we know it, after an extensive breeding program.
I don't know how far the series is based on the books of Herbert Jr. & Anderson, but even if the novels suck, the series seems quite watchable for now.
ADDED PLUS: Travis Fimmel doesn't speak with fake Scandinavian accent :)
DUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never knew Nerdist was owned by Legendary
Their biggest shareholder is... wait for it... *wait* for it...
...Barney Stinson.
desmond got 'em rasputin vibe
Who of you remembers and played DUNE 2000?
:)
That is very interesting...so Leto II had to be in all times to be created.The princess who is Harconnan and her love interest is Atreides which is a genetic match I'm definitely curious how the show moves forward. Desmond is an absolute wonder and I think your closer to the truth of it!!!
The host is the Kwisatz Haderach!
Brian apparently really likes this video. He shared it on his FB page. Congrats ;D
One of the few reviewers who aren't pointing out how bad Brian & Co.'s work is. Some of it flat out contradicts his father's work; there's a reason why he never dared to touch it while Frank was alive.
The thing I’m most excited for in this show is how many mature women are in the cast. Yes it’s the standard “we only have older actresses because they’re playing WITCHES” trope, but I’ll take what I can get.
Some of my favorite characters are the sisters from Heretics and Chapterhouse, so I can't wait to see what Emily and Olivia can bring us in Prophecy!
@@thatmattcaronguy Agree! Odrade might be my favorite in the whole series. And i loved what he did with Murbella.
Yes, it's pretty great, and quite brave in this day and age where everything needs to worship at the altar of youth and beauty instead of wisdom and experience.
I also like the diversity of the cast without it feeling shoved in for the sake of tokenism and virtue signalling.
They're just being faithful to the source material, in this case, as the Bene Gesserit order is against using the prana-bindu technique for anti-aging purposes. They look much older in the movie than in this series.
Memo to Leslye Headland: *THIS* is how you do Lesbian Space Witches.
GREAT video. Will we really consider what happens in the show to be the true events? Many book adaptations go away from the material, we have new characters and Herbert isn't around to tell them.
Thanks! I do want to make another deep dive to explore more of my point at the end of this video. I've always believed Dune is different than most franchises since Dune's canon is always up for interpretation, including how the original works are adapted for other mediums and stories.
Why do people like you always obsess over canon? The books are one story, this is another story. There is no "official" version of events, both can exist simultaneously.
@@ShirleyTimpledon't bring logic into this. LOL. You are supposed to condemn anything and everything that isn't part of the original book. We must fight and obssess over canon!
Watched the first episode. They lifted quite a bit of story from Wheel of Time.
Matt rocks.
You rock, Tony!
I'd love to see a film based on The Dosadi Experiment, also by Frank Herbert. It's where he first explored the effects of stress on the evolution of Human abilities.
I’ll take the Dune Encyclopedia over any of the Brian Herbert / Kevin Anderson books / lore period. Frank Herbert enjoyed it very much.
as a kid my favourite band was ...and possibly still is iron maiden ...the song to tame a land is about dune ..that got me to watch the movie with sting...watched the first two of the new movies .... chills ..❤ lets hope Disney don't buy it and ruin it ...( looking at you ja ja ).
when i saw the trailer and Emily Watson is one of my favourite actors .... very excited ..thanks for this vid as i did not read the books .. intimidated by the number ...and im more of a history reader than si fi ...any way THANKS FOR THIS .❤❤
I just finished reading Heretics of Dune. Good thing it's a 6 book series and I only need to read one more.
i hope we get to see a proper weirding way fighting style
6 min in and I'm already lost 😅😭😭 but I love this story
The dune universe could potentially end up rivalling the other big sci fi franchises, imagine a series about war against the AI !
Honestly don't really care to see the Butlerian Jihad. The premise of the Jihad is to set the foundation for the cultural aspects of Dune, not to be center of attention. If there was a story about the Jihad, it would be very different from Dune as we've experienced in the books/film adaptations. I also wouldn't trust anyone other than Herbert himself to construct a story around that event in a way that holds the rest of the story in respect.
I want more too, but the story of the Jihad is better left in exposition that it is on screen.
Absolutely, since Star wars has fallen, the opportunity is definitely there, Disney has completely destroyed that IP, I doubt it can be saved, & sci Fi lovers aren't going anywhere
Erewhon - The Book of the Machines - Samuel Butler
It's great! I highly suggest reading it along with Sabres of Paradise
I'm a huge fan of Frank Herbert's work, and have read all of his books (not just those of the Dune saga) at least once as far as I know, and having read the entire Dune saga multiple multiple times, but I simply could not get into the books written by his son as they were just such a huge departure from Frank Herbert's style, and felt far simpler and less refined in their style of writing... The subtlety and depth of Frank Herbert's writing just wasn't there...
There's a reason why Brian never dared to touch Frank's work while he was alive. He has nowhere NEAR the talent his father did and I'm sure Frank would be annoyed at his son ruining his legacy by throwing in a bunch of stuff that is nonsensical.
i believe it's leto ll who is sending prophecy to the past to make sure everything is set in motion for his and his father's birth.
and it's also him who granted the gifts to Desmond and the burning truth is that everything is Leto ll grand plan for the imperium of mankind.
Hah! i was right!!!!
@nerdist when you say “doing some of his own breeding experiments” I don’t know what you mean. Please explain.
Wow i really wish the books were smoothed out of the more crazy implausible elements and made easier to read. I would definitely start reading them
That intro!!
17:27 wouldn’t be an HBO/Max show if there wasn’t infidelity, unsanctioned sword sheathing and otherwise unnecessarily forced $ecksual tension…
I read Dune not long before before the David Lynch movie came out. I had read all six of the original novels before I graduated from high school. I even read the Dune Encyclopedia. It was in the Dune Encyclopedia that I learned Paul Atreides was a descendant of Agamemnon. However, the Agamemnon it was referring to was the mythological king of Mycenae, not the hero of the Butlerian Jihad. I always thought that those novels were meant to be two different trilogies with a single novel, God Emperor of Dune, connecting them. The problem was that Herbert never completed the second trilogy. Chapterhouse Dune ended on a really weird cliffhanger. The heroes had just taken off in a spaceship. The novel then ends with an old man and an old woman (who had never appeared or been referenced in that or any other Dune novel before) sitting on a porch. Suddenly, the old man just misses catching the spaceship in a net. Huh? I had to wait 20 years to find out who they were and what they had to do with anything. I never read any of the prequel novels by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson. However, I did read the 2 sequel novels they wrote. In my opinion, they weren't worth the wait. I didn't think those novels were very good. But I did at least find out what was going on at the end of Chapterhouse Dune. However, I don't really remember anything about those books, except that the old man and the old woman were characters from one of the prequel series I didn't read.
After all that, I have a question. Given that I thought the 2 books I read by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson were not very good and that Dune Prophecy is based on other books they wrote, is Dune Prophecy worth my time?
First reviews say it's too much of just an IP pleaser, doesn't really do the content service. It's definitely no Denis production.
But I hope it's still decent.
And reviewers are always right of course! I LOL
Loved the Villanueve movies. Just watched Prophecy episode 1. Very good start.
Never do another club scene tho. Waste of time.
always a fan of Mark Strong
wondering how he will do in a TV series instead of a movie.
How much cowbell does the Emperor need?
Not enough. More!
I am today y.o. knowing Legendary just emerged in the noughties and not the 90s. feekin nerds!
I need a breakdown of the worlds in Dune, and who lives where.
Watched the first episode. Not bad. Kinda have liked to have seen one based on the robot - human rebellion. The books tended to downplay this as history vs the TV series seemed to show it as Terminator and while machines are outlawed, interplanetary craft that can warp time and space are allowed?
In the Schools Trilogy, the remnants of the Butlerian Jihad use their religious beliefs to justify their use of ships as a necessary evil to spread their anti-machine mission throughout the Imperium. They acknowledge this use of the machinery that they are so against, but claim that this proves their mastery over machines instead of machines controlling humans.
I can understand why they didn't do that. A lot of "fans" would be furious. I can just see the thousands of angry social media posts : those shiny robot stuff does not belong in Dune! Keep that awful stuff in terminator movies etc.
Star wars "fans" are still mad because a group of young people The book of Boba Fett wore bright clothes, had colorful hair and rode colourful bikes. I can still hear the angry 'that's not my starwars!' comments. Never mind that a galaxy with millions of star systems and probably thousands of planets and hundreds of intelligent species will very likely have some colorful teenagers some where. But noooo! We must continue only the people who wear drab baggy clothes and robes and run around desert planets only!
And don't get them started on the presence of a Casino on one starwars planet! The sacrilege!
can desmond hart be the paul atreides?
"Voice" is nothing new. My dad knew how to use it to great effect when I was growing up.
😆😆😆😆
The cutest and smartest Dune nerd in the Known Universe! Thanks for getting me acquainted with all the relevant BH/KJA backstory, Matt!
why is the show so blue?
It has been a long time since I read the books and I may have missed something but, I thought Vorian Atreides was still alive at the end of the schools trilogy. He would occasionally go under cover to hide from his fame and prevent backlash over his life extension treatments. I always assumed that he would reappear in later books. 🤷
**SPOILERS**
Yes, you're correct! But many, including Valya and Tula, are led to believe he is dead by the end of Navigators of Dune. Who knows if he'll ever appear again?
The prequel Brian books were fun, at least up until Princess of Dune. Brian couldnt capture Franks characters at all. Young Leto, young Jessica, young Paul, Duncan, all were oversimplified drool.
Legends though was fun. Occasionally stupid - androids big bads that show up to be beaten way too easily.... But fun.
Do you think I should read the legends and schools trilogies? And “book 7?” These are the last three components of Brian’s work that I have yet to read, I’ve read everything else, rather quickly surprisingly lol.
@JungleJetAviation06 trilogies yes. Book 7 was so bad.
@@jaredk6428 I read a synopsis on Wikipedia for the last two that made up “Book 7” and I was like oh maybe I don’t want to read this😂
Prophecy is explained as a worthy alkalade to the duniverse
the spice must flow
Boy do I appreciate you breaking this all down. It helps me to understand that I'm not actually interested in reading/watching the whole story but I do like the breakdowns
Why did the Name change from Har-co-nin to harkenin??
Because
How did the space navigators get access to spice before interstellar travel. Are the alien quotes a clue to that?
Before the Spacing Guild, humans had used plenty of FTL ships, but those ships relied on advanced technology. After a Tlulaxu trader discovered the use of spice on Arrakis and it became a commodity, the developers of the Holtzman engines then learned of the transformative and mind-expanding properties of spice, which led to the creation of the first Navigators.
WHATS A PRIMMER?
How did humans manage to defeat the machines?
Even if Humans advance their capabilities to levels well beyond current levels there would be a hard limit set by biological restrictions, whereas a self aware machine would be able to continuously improve it's capabilities unlimited by biology
(For example, we could not make a human brain larger than size of our skull, but a self aware computer could continue to expand it's size and capacity beyond the size of a building), how would humans be able to defeat that?
I’m still deciding if I should read the legends trilogy and the schools trilogy lol. So excited for Prophecy tho, I’m reading Chapterhouse rn.
This series is a sequel to Sisterhood of Dune, which is the 3rd novel in the Schools trilogy. The two Harkonnen sisters were in their 20s and the emperor Javicco Corrino was just a kid in that book, so this must be decades later. But more importantly the Herbert/Anderson novels are hotly debated because they were written after Frank's death, the two writers have a very different writing style that seems amateurish and implausible storylines, awful dialog, and 2-dimensionsl stereotypical characters. Many fans of Frank Herbert's original Dune books hate them and considering them non-cannon.
@ The Caladan series (don’t know if you read it but it’s KJA and BH’s recent Dune books). The ending of this series contradicted Frank Herbert’s reasoning for the Harkonnen’s being taken away from Arrakis.
Dude please do Comics, Video games and Other Movies..
I read Dune in 1977. High school freshman year during summer school. In SoCal LA basin.
This is important to mention. Back then “smog control” was an oxymoron. The air would actually become orange from photo chemical nitrous smog.
So in the hot afternoon to evening I’d read it in my not-cool-enough home surrounded by heat and orange brown air. I felt like I was there. Immersive.
Also I’d bought a bargain bin LP named Dune. With jazz songs based on the book. David matthews. Not that DM, sorry. So I’d play the album and read.
Here. I recommend a quick listen. ua-cam.com/video/ZDtncFNhZRE/v-deo.htmlsi=6CfVvs_Q8rYfX1Qa
Good times.
Yes that is the Voice. But audiences respond better to visual queues in movies.
While HBO is Not Flawless in Execution… it will have to go a Long Way Down to displace dune 2020’s Writing and Acting.
And it will need to reach Stupid Levels in Execution to displace Amazons Wheel and Rings at the Bottom.
Here’s hoping Dune Prophecy is Good to Great.
There has to be an award for something like this. Oscar ? Something. Standing ovation👏👏👏
I remember when this channel was Animemes
No mention of Tulas child with Orry Atreides.
Can't spoil too much, now can we?
The universe would be a better place if Harkonnen ruled it.
can somebody pls briefly explain what is the purpose of the sisterhood
battlestar galactica is more realistic to occur in the future vs dune. why would AI need to enslave human when they can mass produce artificial life.
Battlestar Galactica is set in a distant past.
@@ocularpatdownOriginal BSG was in the near present, and started getting close to present-day Earth at the end of the series, before a cheaply made spin-off really took place on Earth in the 1980s.
Remake of BSG seemed like an alternative universe, but idk tbh.
I wonder if Desmond is a face dancer
I've read almost all of the Dune novels. Included the pre-, in- and sequels. I hope this isn't going to become another disappointment like the adaptation of the Foundation series.
There are only 6 books written Frank Herbert, the rest are non-canon bad written fan fiction. Thats a fact!