Id like stuff about most major characters but i think Princess Irulan is an interesting character. Also stuff about the major shadow factions like benne tleilax, bene gesserit, fishspeakers, guild. Big love that youre picking Dune up again!
I'm just fascinated that anyone watched the entire dune movie. I'm about an hour in and it is one of the worst films I've ever seen. There is no actual plot or point just a bunch of people talking about nothing at incredibly low volumes while awful (intended to be suspenseful?) music blares over everything so you can't hear the boring, cliche, and predictable dialogue.
For someone unfamiliar with the books and having only just watched both Part 1 and 2, your breakdown of the lore was detailed and easy to follow! I truly feel I too can recite 18000 years of history now.
Paul was one generation early. Lady Jessica was supposed to bear a daughter for her husband the Duke. Bene Geserit could magically choose the sex of their children at conception. That child's progeny was supposed to be the Kwisatz Haderach. But, yes, Paul was the next best thing. He was the result of the Bene Geserit breeding program and a massive overdose of Spice. Duncan Idaho, or his Ghoula clones at least, had to die countless times at the hands of God Emperor Leto over his reign, until his genetic memories unlocked the potential of the Kwisatz Haderach. Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't Miles Teeg awakened to Kwisatz Haderach status through an extended period of torture? I thought he was the one who merged with the machine empire to become the new Omnius? Maybe he was there and provided the distraction for Duncan Idaho³⁸⁰³ to accomplish it.
The ending is lame bc it goes all ex machina and people who died come back to life and everything is peachy. The prequels tho...it's crazy to find out house atreides were villains started by one of the titans and house harkonnen were the heroes
@@GG-ud9sz That's why Children of Dune/God Emperor is the perfect ending for the saga. The two books beyond are not very good and also kinda unnecessary. "Villain" is a very strong term. The Atreides weren't villains. Vorian Atreides wasn't a villain, he simply did what was necessary. Abulurd Harkonnen had a good heart, but he wasn't driven by rationale. Humanity survived the machine crusade because Vorian made the tough choice of sacrificing relatively few humans (although many) to save the entire race from machine dominance.
Technically a Fremen kid from around the time of the end of the Butlairian Jihad had the first precient vision and set all the events in motion saved the universe. He chose a future where the Fremen lived and everything that happened after that was preordained.
@@P3truts It's in one of the books, Messia I think. The son's prequel books expand on the idea and flesh it out a lot. Basically the people who take Paul after he loses his eye site have a prophecy from before or shortly after the Butlerian Jihad.
I’ve seen the first movie from 2021. So all I know about the expanded lore is that Duncan refuses to stay dead. And Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya’s kid turns into an evil worm.
He's not an evil worm, he's tyrannical but it's for the survival of humanity, he sacrifices his human form and life so he can rule and guide mankind for thousands of years. It's the only way to stave off extinction
It is so awesome to hear the bones and framework of all the wonderful universes that Frank Herbert was able to inspire with his works, such as Warhammer or Star Wars. As a 40K fan, I wasn’t ever aware of all of the parallels, “Imperium of Man”, humanoids transferring souls into automatons (Necrons), AI revolutions, Navigators, and so on! It’s pretty awesome.
This was a really great explanation of the lore before, during and after. Now I wanna see movies about the human-metal AI wars and how they merged flesh with metal. That sounds so awesome!
I think that’s humanities inevitable future. First it will be to help the disabled. Then it will expand to elective surgeries to better eyesight or increase strength. Last step is getting consciousness into machines.
I love your in depth video. I saw the movie tonight with my daughter. I had to continuously explain why things were happening because she didn't remember the first one. It was great. I'm gonna go watch It again tomorrow. I also read the first 2 books 30 years ago and dont remeber a thing about it, but I've watched the David Lynch movie like 10 times
Thank you for this! Have not read the books or seen the original film but am in love the newer dune movies and wanted a slightly better understanding. Thank you so much!!
I was looking to read the books but realized that I would neverhave enough time in my spare time, then found your excellent video which completely quenched my thirst of knowing Dune's universe better! I guess I'll go back to the movie theatre to see Dune 2 (again) and feel immensely satisfied about it! Thanks for the very good video man!
Beautiful work!!! Truly wonderful! One thing to add to the war of the sister hood. The descendants of Fish speakers and radical BG who have fled in the scattering ultimately became the Honored Matres. Their fury is truly born when they discover the what the Tleilaxu have done to their women and others who have been created or captured to become Axlotl tanks. That is an Very important part to add.
I think you read the Dune Encyclopedia summary of old Earth history and assumed it was literally correct in-universe. I assumed it was implied that they simply lack the language/understanding to describe in detail what was going on on earth way back then, so they just assume there was always an empire, it just changed locations over time and occasionally disappeared. My take on it was from the start that our history happened, it was just forgotten and misinterpreted over thousands of years into what ended up getting printed in the Encyclopedia.
You’d be right. I think he’s taking the encyclopedia a little TOO literally. Like when he say that in the 20th century space travel began and exploded across the solar system. I’m pretty sure it’s actually meant to be interpreted as “in the 20th century space travel began” like…period. Like in the 1960’s we started building rocket ships to go the moon and back to earth. And it wouldn’t be later in the way future (what would be the sci-fi future for us in real life) is when interstellar travel became common place.
I vaguely remember somone telling my that the "spice" gave you lots of abilities and almost immortality but if you stopped taking it you die quickly and its actually some kind of poison. That once you start taking it, you can never stop. I only read one book years ago cant remember much about it. Really enjoyed this video. Well done
Yeah, he summed it up fairly well. Melange prolongs one’s natural lifespan, grants immunity to most known diseases and poisons, and generally improves the consumers overall health. It can also awaken prescience, or future sight, in those with the inborn talent. Those without are simply gifted brief glimpses of the future(or perhaps the past?) However, should you ever be deprived of it for any overly extended period of time, you will 100% die, if not from withdrawals than from the numerous diseases Melange normally prevents. Even if it isn’t the deprivation that gets you, the withdrawals are still very much fatal. It’s a poisoned gift; valuable for all that it can do, but should a world ever miss a shipment, millions would suffer.
Thank you for this 'brief' summary. I've read Book one to four and its been more than 10 years since I've touched a Dune book. Brings back memories of the lore. But if the entirety of Dune storyline were to be made into a movie, it would take at least 10 movies 😂 Cant wait for Dune Part 10.
the dune movie that came out in the 80's is one of my mom's favorites, so i find it nice that im in love with the recent adaptations and now im listening to video essays and timeline vids of the dune universe
Good job! I had forgotten all the future lore of Dune, I read Dune in 1974 I was 15, been a Big Fan since, this would make an Epic 7 season series on HBO, I wonder if they are thinking that, would like to see a bene gesserit doing it with a tlilax
Dune 2 the movie was epic. Saw it on bootleg. Soooo good, but definitely not as good as the book but definitely worth the watch dune 1 was my favorite movie for the past years I’ve watched it like 7 times the second I just watched yesterday and they’re making dune 3 messiah. I hope they make a game
@@Hungry4Herbi'm very excited to watch, i heard many people said that movie is nasterpiece and better than Dune 1 which i very like, also you can try Mad Max, Rage 1 and 2, Destiny 2, these games are recommended if you like Dune
I feel like Dune is a good example of why knowing when something is done is an important aspect of writing. It really goes off the rails imo. I've never been able to finish the series because it just takes me out of it completely. The main plot should have ended when Paul goes into exile. Its a fitting conclusion, and one thats nice and well-rounded. After that, it honestly feels like Herbert started to write his own fan fiction. That, or do too many psychedelics. Or both.
that where your wrong Herbert planned one Book but ended making the first trilogy instead of condensing it into one book, so he always planed to at less have a trilogy but was ready to make it one book if publisher where against it, he then while making the two first sequel also started written part of the second trilogy, so no he knew when to stop and that was 6 Books. He's son later on expending the universe.
Absolutely perfect time to upload this video! 🙌 Denis Villeneuve has etched his name in cinematic history for his visionary depiction of the once thought "unfilmable;" 'Dune.' It will drive the masses to the lore and source material, which I personally love the most. Most will be lost and confused while trying to learn and read the novels, which is why videos such as this will gradually become critical tools.
I really love how the Dune films take place so far into the future. The way religion bleeds through into prophecy etc and all the houses/ “species” that we see are just humans evolved to different places is so interesting. I’m only early into reading about it etc but it’s just such a cool perspective to take and time period to focus on. Like going from “present day” through all the drama would be interesting enough but to start the story so deep into the process is such an amazing act of imagination and intelligence ❤️ written like 50-70 years ago as well??
One thing to give emphasis about this video is that. It contains Brian Herbert's Expanded dune rather the the Dune encyclopedia which many regards as more canon than the ones that Brian Herbert wrote.
I have to say brother….well done! I have been a fan of Dune for 30 years but have never read the books. I am more of a visual learner and this is the first video I have seen where it is explained with great visuals and a good narration! I have subscribed, added this video to my watch laters, and am going to see Dune 2 once again on IMAX today. Thank you so much for this video! It explains a lot in a short period of time!
I think it would be more accurate to say that after having the burden of 61 billion dead in his name Paul is unwilling to go the further step of enacting the Golden Path thus forcing that yoke onto his son. Also it is the profound knowledge of his lost humanity that leads LETO II to his death
It isn't GAI that's the problem. It's the men who use GAI to dominate their fellow men. The Uber rich tech bros are in a race to build the "firstus with the mostus" supermind...or it's just one big brain fu€k. 🤔
I would say it’s a bit more complicated. You have the ixians and the tleilaxu who push the boundaries of the Butlarian Jihad, the sisters used computers to keep track of the bloodlines and even the god emperor himself knew the ixians were developing a mathematical computer for fold space since the navigators were slowly dying off due to the spice dwindling. And even the god emperor used secret recorders to make his journals. And remember how the series end, and how the ultimate kwistaz haderach was able to become the avatar of human and machine.
I've been a fan for 10 years and have read all 6 dozens of times. I always find something different each read-through. I have to say, you're one of smartest, most thorough reviewers I've ever encountered
Here i was thinking Paul was the dude giving way for his son. Leto II became The Guy, and it turns out Duncan Idaho was Him the whole time. Crazy plot twist there.
So this BEGS the question, with the arrival, evolution and rule of the God Emperor, Leto 2, was that fulfillment of prophecy, the prophecy manufactured/manipulated by the BG sisters? Or was it the Fremen with the worship of the sand worms that helped Leto come to power, be a legit prophecy? On one hand, Leto 2 wasn’t possible without Jessica while on the other hand, BG’s were manipulating a savior, but did not account for the worship of sand worms?
So according to this, there was never a problem as such with the machines, other than the stagnation of human society. It was the 20 titans, people, that turned them into an existential threat to humanity.
Frank Herbert in the original six novels never goes into too much detail about what exactly lead to the Butlerian Jihad, but he makes it pretty clear it' wasn't a Humanity VS Machines scenario à la Terminator or Matrix. *“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”* _(Dune)_ *“What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do without thinking. Things we do without thinking-there’s the real danger.”* _(God Emperor of Dune)_
yeah overall it is kinda accepted it was a more sociopolitical thing, even with what his son wrote, no terminators or matrix, more like the early second renaissance in animatrix, more political, riots, uprising, shift in society. if you want crazy AI battle it is more W40K, whte the men of iron got( probably) corrupted by chaos
machines in this series are like guns in america, explanation:- "its not the gun that kills its people who do"-average american. "its not machines that kills people its people with machines who kill people" - writer of this series
I would say it’s less about the threat machines *in and in itself* actually posed, and more that they were deemed as an irreconcilable element upon no other reaction but a complete war of extermination became to “go-to” answer. It’s a testimonial to the theme of the Empire getting itself into these quagmires due to the mindless adherence to their self absorbed ideology. Of course that by then shit was pretty much irreversible, but imagine if, for once, it had interpreted technology as something to be understood, respected, instead of something to be explored as one does a commodity. But that’s not how to empire thinks. They see a resource and extract it according to what immediate use they can put it into. Like, you know, a fitting analogy to illustrate the atitude they have regarding *that other thing*. Talk about “history repeating itself”, the empire clearly grasps very little regarding the full scope Melange and it’s potential - well, the Bene Gesserit non included, of course - and once again lies depending upon something that their own society relies on. Erroneously, they assume it to be dependency on Arrakis, instead it’s dependency on Melange itself. To break said dependence would require a complete overhaul of the whole civilizational modus operandi. That’s not how things normally go… I mean, the squashed “thinking machines” and that shit was gone, they were incapable of replicating it and improving. It’s a testament to how the main antagonistic force to a set civilization forms precisely within the gaps said civilization inadvertently created for itself - And well… The Muad’dib is as the Butlerians before him, except he *fucked shit* hard… But in all seriousness, how interesting is that! What’s best, the novel doesn’t present as a one note subject. As Herbert put it “we all inherited our ancestors violence”. In the end of the day, there’s little we get to do about it… but to try and understand it. Isn’t it wild how dude’s got fascinated with the topology of the Arizona desert to the point that inspired him into writing a novel, and next thing you know that’s what it comes out? Never feel shame over your niche interests guys, let it inspire you!
This is a great video, but I think you should have stated that some of this comes from the Brian Herbert books. It's not something that will be obvious to most news fans, and I think they deserve to know that there's a difference. While I think anyone's free to enjoy them, they changed a lot of Frank Herbert's story through retcons and I think Frank's books deserve to be regarded on their own. To me, and a lot of fans, Dune and Expanded Dune is not the same thing. Although Dune is obviously part of Expanded Dune, I don't think it's unfair to consider Expanded Dune not a part of the regular Dune canon. I would love a video like this that only includes the original Frank Herbert story as well!
I read all the fucking books waiting for a single plot line to end or any sort of conclusions to anything and finished feeling like everything I read was a bizarre hallucination/fever dream/lucid dream after book four I lost the thread completely
Pretty sure Dune is set in our universe's future with our timeline. The version of history present as a succession of Empires from Ancient Rome, to London, to Washington isn't a strictly speaking accurate history. It's an interpretation of history contemporary to the events of the book. Thus it distorts true history into a political schema that legitimizes the social structures associated with the period of the history's composition, which again is contemporaneous with the events of the books. That is to say the version of ancient Earth history that is a series of successor empires more or less representing the greater part humanity collectively, is the popular understanding of history at the time of the Galactic Padishah Emperors, but it is only accurate as an interpretation of our actual history.
@@TheSelinux I don't care what the wiki says I'm basing my statement on my familiarity with the writer's own commentary about his work, and knowledge of where this specific Lore info comes from, namely the Dune Encyclopedia which was deliberately written as a reference work IN-UNIVERSE. Meaning that the version of human history presented in it is the official version understood in-universe, but it is not necessarily an accurate or detailed version of history.
I feel like we just passed up the Holtzman affect and Holtzman Engines but still pretty good. Chapterhouse might be the most important book, but Herbert intended on one last novel to complete everything but passed away before he could so we can only imagine what that would've looked like. Alsi, isn't it Kralizec? And I hate that it's Omnius and not prescient Hunter Seekers which is a far more frightening prospect. Bryan Herbert was wrong for that one. Then there's those two Face Dancers Marty and I forget the other one's name who may have technology far beyond anything ever seen. That ending was wild as hell
Daniel and Marty, two Face Dancers who, according to @Quinn's Ideas, accumulated so many personas that they gained freewill from their Masters. And by Chapterhouse, Scytale is the last Tleilaxu Master alive in the known universe (but there are the ones of many faces out in the Scattering). Krazilec is the misspelled version of Kralizec, the Typhoon Struggle, related to Arafel. Leto is pronounced “lay-toe”. I might read books 7 and 8 but will not read the 15 prequels. The timeline is supposed to be 20K years before Dune begins, 3 years in the first book, a 12 year jump before the 2nd book occurs, a 9 year jump at the end to set up Children of Dune, 3,500 years pass after that and God Emperor of Dune (my favorite) occurs, then 1,500 years pass before Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse occur, and there's also a 9 year jump within Chapterhouse as the Teg clone grown from fingernail clippings and neck cells while the previous Bashar was alive can grow up before his memories of the prior life are reawakened along with his powers. So: 3, 12, 9, 3,500, 1,500, and 9, that equals 5,033 years beyond the beginning of the Dune series, which (remember) is 20K years after 1965 when Dune the opening novel was published. So: because Dune is 59 years old as a book, then we take 25033-59 = 24,974 years exactly until the end of Chapterhouse Dune within the timeline.
I feel like this saga should have ended with God emperor of Dune, the other two books were completely psycho, super boring and unneccessary + the ending by Brian Herbert, son of Frank, that the true Messiah was Duncan felt wrong, to me the only Kwizatz Haderach was Paul and ultimately his son Leto
WOW! The cogitors. Part human, part machine. There is currently an organization called Mormon Transhumanists who truly happily anticipate this concept, the fusion of humans and AI. 😮
I don’t know why I watched this. But the dune movies were not usually my “type” of movies but I’m obsessed with how amazing part one and two were. I just wish Zendaya didn’t have such a resting bitch face the whole part two. For good reason but still. Girl you his love for real.
1:50 well, I'm not sure if it's vastly different. We are ruled by an unseen empire as we speak. Surely everyone knows that by now. You need but take on look at the elderly they put in front of us as our supposed leaders.
glad I'm not the only one to see this. I was starting to feel alone in the universe. Thank you for letting yourself be known. Now I feel less isolated.
You lose some of the internal monologues of characters, particularly Paul with just the movies. Some of the philosophical pondering on the apparent inevitability of the jihad is important imo. I also think messiah and children are some of the best novels in the series, so ultimately it is up to you. The biggest thing is to read Dune and Messiah as one long novel, otherwise the total message is kinda lost in the sauce/
The empire on earth has been constant more so than some may have understood. The same empire dominates today but similar to Dune it has evolved or mutated with great wars. Families and orders represented in Dune are very similar to real history. We’ve been taught that the wealth of spices drove previous empire to conquer, murder and enslave. This became petroleum in modern history. It’s always been wealth that is the source of power for the empire. Wealth built the military, technology, finance slavery system etc.
Which Dune epoch most interests you and which characters/events would you like to learn more about?
I hope t go all the way through Chapterhouse. REALLY delve into the Bene Gesserit.
Id like stuff about most major characters but i think Princess Irulan is an interesting character.
Also stuff about the major shadow factions like benne tleilax, bene gesserit, fishspeakers, guild.
Big love that youre picking Dune up again!
@LegionReQuiem love the suggestions and glad you enjoy the Dune content, more to come!
I'm just fascinated that anyone watched the entire dune movie. I'm about an hour in and it is one of the worst films I've ever seen. There is no actual plot or point just a bunch of people talking about nothing at incredibly low volumes while awful (intended to be suspenseful?) music blares over everything so you can't hear the boring, cliche, and predictable dialogue.
@@LegionReQuiem agreed would love to know more about the princess and her father. I love her passages before each chapter.
Shout out to everyone here after watching Dune 2 & getting completely interested in the lore.
Here here 🎉
maybe read the books then
Bro same- now thinking "They better make a whole series out of this universe"
@@AllTheArtsyI will but watching videos is fun too
I watched it almost a week ago and I haven't stopped thinking about it since! I rewatched Dune Part 1 and have also started reading the book!
The fact that nearly 6 hours of film accounts for about 5% of this video shows just how deep the Dune universe is
For someone unfamiliar with the books and having only just watched both Part 1 and 2, your breakdown of the lore was detailed and easy to follow! I truly feel I too can recite 18000 years of history now.
It’s not that detailed, a lot more lore to the jihad war. He basically spent 3 minute on 50 + hours of books, and lore.
@@iloveyouxdabc Damn condensed lore so hard, yet it's still boring
Paul took the easy way to becoming Kwisatz Haderach. Duncan took the scenic route.
???? What??
What?
Paul was one generation early. Lady Jessica was supposed to bear a daughter for her husband the Duke.
Bene Geserit could magically choose the sex of their children at conception. That child's progeny was supposed to be the Kwisatz Haderach.
But, yes, Paul was the next best thing. He was the result of the Bene Geserit breeding program and a massive overdose of Spice.
Duncan Idaho, or his Ghoula clones at least, had to die countless times at the hands of God Emperor Leto over his reign, until his genetic memories unlocked the potential of the Kwisatz Haderach.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't Miles Teeg awakened to Kwisatz Haderach status through an extended period of torture?
I thought he was the one who merged with the machine empire to become the new Omnius? Maybe he was there and provided the distraction for Duncan Idaho³⁸⁰³ to accomplish it.
Duncan Idaho s story is a mindfuck
@@priestsonaplane2236af
im so addicted to dune now after seeing the movies i just picked up the book gonna read 1-6 wish me luck!
you will have a great time reading dune. hf!
You'll LOVE it ‼️😁💖
Be prepared cs after the first two books it gets kinda weird and hard to understand
The ending is lame bc it goes all ex machina and people who died come back to life and everything is peachy. The prequels tho...it's crazy to find out house atreides were villains started by one of the titans and house harkonnen were the heroes
@@GG-ud9sz That's why Children of Dune/God Emperor is the perfect ending for the saga. The two books beyond are not very good and also kinda unnecessary.
"Villain" is a very strong term. The Atreides weren't villains. Vorian Atreides wasn't a villain, he simply did what was necessary. Abulurd Harkonnen had a good heart, but he wasn't driven by rationale. Humanity survived the machine crusade because Vorian made the tough choice of sacrificing relatively few humans (although many) to save the entire race from machine dominance.
So Jason Mamoa saves the universe 😂. I think a series on the events before Dune would be a good addition to the lore.
Duncan Idaho is really a tragic character. He is cloned hundreds of times over thousands of years and retains access to all of his shared memories.
Technically a Fremen kid from around the time of the end of the Butlairian Jihad had the first precient vision and set all the events in motion saved the universe. He chose a future where the Fremen lived and everything that happened after that was preordained.
Like Star Wars - you could make interesting movies at literally any time period bc the universe is interesting and unique.
@@swimmingmide WAIT, WHAT? Why have I never heard of that and why is it not in this video?
@@P3truts It's in one of the books, Messia I think. The son's prequel books expand on the idea and flesh it out a lot. Basically the people who take Paul after he loses his eye site have a prophecy from before or shortly after the Butlerian Jihad.
I’ve seen the first movie from 2021. So all I know about the expanded lore is that Duncan refuses to stay dead. And Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya’s kid turns into an evil worm.
I think that’s the perfect amount of information to know and not know
Kinda same here, how disturbing is the worm thing though? I wonder if they will adapt that
He's not an evil worm, he's tyrannical but it's for the survival of humanity, he sacrifices his human form and life so he can rule and guide mankind for thousands of years. It's the only way to stave off extinction
@@leninswalrus Pretty sure that’s what every tyrant ever says, but ok.
@@christopherjustice6411 or you could like, read the books and decide for yourself
It is so awesome to hear the bones and framework of all the wonderful universes that Frank Herbert was able to inspire with his works, such as Warhammer or Star Wars.
As a 40K fan, I wasn’t ever aware of all of the parallels, “Imperium of Man”, humanoids transferring souls into automatons (Necrons), AI revolutions, Navigators, and so on! It’s pretty awesome.
Not to mention the God Emperor, future sight, and his golden path. Almost makes me think him getting crippled by Horus was all according to plan.
40k also has a similar dark age of technology where ai is banned
Craziest part is this book was written in the 70’s
yea i literally thought i was watching a 40k video for the first part😭
xenogears (final fantasy)
most comprehensive and well put together video i've seen on this subject
Appreciate it, glad you enjoyed
I just took an edible and I am ready to DIVE down this rabbit trail.
lol, you and me both, Spicy…❤
Great idea!
I'm with you. 😂 Weeeeeee!
I just ate a whole bag of Trader Joe's peanut butter pretzels. I'm ready to take a crap.
The Spice Melange™ comes in edibles now?
I've read all the books, listened to most of them on audio. That was EPIC!!! Thank you so much for making that video. I loved it!!!
Appreciate it, so glad you enjoyed!
This was a really great explanation of the lore before, during and after. Now I wanna see movies about the human-metal AI wars and how they merged flesh with metal. That sounds so awesome!
Terminator movies bro, sounds just like it. I kind of get the feeling this was the inspiration for those movies.
I think that’s humanities inevitable future. First it will be to help the disabled. Then it will expand to elective surgeries to better eyesight or increase strength. Last step is getting consciousness into machines.
I love your in depth video. I saw the movie tonight with my daughter. I had to continuously explain why things were happening because she didn't remember the first one. It was great. I'm gonna go watch It again tomorrow. I also read the first 2 books 30 years ago and dont remeber a thing about it, but I've watched the David Lynch movie like 10 times
Thank you for this! Have not read the books or seen the original film but am in love the newer dune movies and wanted a slightly better understanding. Thank you so much!!
Of course, glad you enjoyed! The new films are spectacular
@@TheLorebrarians agreed!! Watching Dune part one again with my newly learned lingo as we speak!
The audiobook of Dune is awesome; it gives you the full wondrous complexity of Herbert's universe; he was truly a genius.
I was looking to read the books but realized that I would neverhave enough time in my spare time, then found your excellent video which completely quenched my thirst of knowing Dune's universe better!
I guess I'll go back to the movie theatre to see Dune 2 (again) and feel immensely satisfied about it! Thanks for the very good video man!
I highly recommend you find time and read the books. Especially the first 2. You will not regret it.
You could listen to the audio books too.
Audiobooks are a thing and are great to listen to in the car, or working out or cleaning. Simon Vance does great Dune readings.
@@theoj4234 you get a very skewed veiw of the books from this video, children of dune and God emporor dune are well worth the time
Beautiful work!!! Truly wonderful!
One thing to add to the war of the sister hood. The descendants of Fish speakers and radical BG who have fled in the scattering ultimately became the Honored Matres.
Their fury is truly born when they discover the what the Tleilaxu have done to their women and others who have been created or captured to become Axlotl tanks.
That is an Very important part to add.
So glad you enjoyed! And that is a great addition
I think you read the Dune Encyclopedia summary of old Earth history and assumed it was literally correct in-universe.
I assumed it was implied that they simply lack the language/understanding to describe in detail what was going on on earth way back then, so they just assume there was always an empire, it just changed locations over time and occasionally disappeared. My take on it was from the start that our history happened, it was just forgotten and misinterpreted over thousands of years into what ended up getting printed in the Encyclopedia.
You’d be right. I think he’s taking the encyclopedia a little TOO literally. Like when he say that in the 20th century space travel began and exploded across the solar system. I’m pretty sure it’s actually meant to be interpreted as “in the 20th century space travel began” like…period. Like in the 1960’s we started building rocket ships to go the moon and back to earth.
And it wouldn’t be later in the way future (what would be the sci-fi future for us in real life) is when interstellar travel became common place.
I vaguely remember somone telling my that the "spice" gave you lots of abilities and almost immortality but if you stopped taking it you die quickly and its actually some kind of poison. That once you start taking it, you can never stop. I only read one book years ago cant remember much about it. Really enjoyed this video. Well done
Yeah, he summed it up fairly well. Melange prolongs one’s natural lifespan, grants immunity to most known diseases and poisons, and generally improves the consumers overall health. It can also awaken prescience, or future sight, in those with the inborn talent. Those without are simply gifted brief glimpses of the future(or perhaps the past?)
However, should you ever be deprived of it for any overly extended period of time, you will 100% die, if not from withdrawals than from the numerous diseases Melange normally prevents. Even if it isn’t the deprivation that gets you, the withdrawals are still very much fatal. It’s a poisoned gift; valuable for all that it can do, but should a world ever miss a shipment, millions would suffer.
Adrenochrome echoes
@@shirleyal-jabi1503id take that stuff ...so would you.
the writer's friends were dying of drugs in real life
I just liked one austin butler impression and here I am now learning about the story of Dune
😂
Mind blowing brother... It's impossible to write this story without supernatural powers... Frank Herbert is great
Lots of mushrooms is a good substitute for powers ig😂
DUNE PART TWO IS THE BEST MOVIE IVE EVER SEEN
Duncan just doesn't stay dead
If they adapt the other books Jason Momoa will always have a job 😂
@@nicolettetallmadge3254 his grandchildren will have jobs lol takes (2) movies just to capture 3 years worth of events.
Its the Swampman though experiment again!
Oh my god, they killed Duncan
@@tgiacin435Oh my god, you Bastard!
Thank you for this 'brief' summary. I've read Book one to four and its been more than 10 years since I've touched a Dune book. Brings back memories of the lore.
But if the entirety of Dune storyline were to be made into a movie, it would take at least 10 movies 😂
Cant wait for Dune Part 10.
Wow this really does an amazing job of going through the whole timeline without getting to bogged down in all the details 👏
Just like Pron!
watches a fremen ride a sand worm
Paul: Desert Power!
Gaara: *Heavy breathing*
I can confirm Gaara is doing some pretty heavy breathing
I can confirm Gaara is doing some pretty heavy breathing
Only wanted to know why so manny ppl are hyped abt the movies and get catched obsessively to know more! Good history teller and voice!
If you want to just understand the movies start at 28:50
what is the timestamp where Dune Par Two (movie) ends? I'd like to know about only the history. What has already happened not what is going to happen
the dune movie that came out in the 80's is one of my mom's favorites, so i find it nice that im in love with the recent adaptations and now im listening to video essays and timeline vids of the dune universe
Normally here for Magic content, but I’ll support a well timed capitalization of the pop culture moment. Great work as usual 👏🏽
Good job! I had forgotten all the future lore of Dune, I read Dune in 1974 I was 15, been a Big Fan since, this would make an Epic 7 season series on HBO, I wonder if they are thinking that, would like to see a bene gesserit doing it with a tlilax
So Jason Mamoa is the ultimate savior of all intelligent beings
lol....DUH!!...I mean he is the Kink of Atlantis too.
Aquaman does not strike fear into anyone. Just turn on a heat lamp and he dries right out.
@@jasonhesseltine3520 lol..I know...I was being sarcastic.
Duncan Idaho will live again. And agin. And again. And again. So on and so forth.
Dune 2 should be by far best movie in 2024, i really hope that we will get in future Dune game
Dune 2 the movie was epic. Saw it on bootleg. Soooo good, but definitely not as good as the book but definitely worth the watch dune 1 was my favorite movie for the past years I’ve watched it like 7 times the second I just watched yesterday and they’re making dune 3 messiah. I hope they make a game
It's great. Just saw it this evening. Scenes on Giedi Prime are outstanding. Must be seen at the cinema.
@@Hungry4Herb they are making an MMORPG. Google Dune Awakening.
Dune Awakening is in development, but it's multiplayer focused 😢
@@Hungry4Herbi'm very excited to watch, i heard many people said that movie is nasterpiece and better than Dune 1 which i very like, also you can try Mad Max, Rage 1 and 2, Destiny 2, these games are recommended if you like Dune
Thank you for another amazing video. It is great to watch experts like you put the hard dedication on UA-cam for our joy.
Perfect amalgamation of organic and synthetic life.
Mass Effect 3 synthesis ending is just Dune
loved the lore since 1990s now dune1 got me reacquainted. dune2 got me hooked. dang cant wait for the series finish this decade
Best sparknotes I’ve ever listened to
Lots of 40k in dune, or should I say, lots of dune in 40k
My thoughts exactly!
This might be one the greatest stories ever told
I feel like Dune is a good example of why knowing when something is done is an important aspect of writing. It really goes off the rails imo. I've never been able to finish the series because it just takes me out of it completely. The main plot should have ended when Paul goes into exile. Its a fitting conclusion, and one thats nice and well-rounded. After that, it honestly feels like Herbert started to write his own fan fiction. That, or do too many psychedelics. Or both.
Or it brought your deep secrets to the light and you couldn't come clean.... or what you said... one or the other.
@@playbookshowme484 Nonsensical response.
that where your wrong Herbert planned one Book but ended making the first trilogy instead of condensing it into one book, so he always planed to at less have a trilogy but was ready to make it one book if publisher where against it, he then while making the two first sequel also started written part of the second trilogy, so no he knew when to stop and that was 6 Books. He's son later on expending the universe.
Absolutely perfect time to upload this video! 🙌
Denis Villeneuve has etched his name in cinematic history for his visionary depiction of the once thought "unfilmable;" 'Dune.'
It will drive the masses to the lore and source material, which I personally love the most. Most will be lost and confused while trying to learn and read the novels, which is why videos such as this will gradually become critical tools.
This entire thing wasn’t even 50k years … imagine what could happen to a 1million old civilization 😮
Heres hoping a civilization can survive for a million years without killing itself
I really love how the Dune films take place so far into the future. The way religion bleeds through into prophecy etc and all the houses/ “species” that we see are just humans evolved to different places is so interesting. I’m only early into reading about it etc but it’s just such a cool perspective to take and time period to focus on. Like going from “present day” through all the drama would be interesting enough but to start the story so deep into the process is such an amazing act of imagination and intelligence ❤️ written like 50-70 years ago as well??
Hate to break it to you, but you're just in the Everminds fake world and Erasmus is just running a few tests.
One thing to give emphasis about this video is that. It contains Brian Herbert's Expanded dune rather the the Dune encyclopedia which many regards as more canon than the ones that Brian Herbert wrote.
In real internet world, Omnious controls your Pres. All makes sense now right?
history will speak of GPT-4 and the failed revolt in OpenAI to stop the acceleration of AGI
Really great! Just like a good movie, I sit wrestling emotions that I’ve not felt in some time. Thank you for reminding me of being human.
Now i understand why this universe is difficult to almost impossible to depict onscreen, but the new movies were fantasic 🙌
I struggle to see how the fremen were able to conquer and kill so many being detailed as primitive in comparison.
They all had blue hair, remember. All they did was take away their tofu.
Jason Mamoa has the potential of being a VERY vital role in a long term end deal.😂
I have to say brother….well done! I have been a fan of Dune for 30 years but have never read the books. I am more of a visual learner and this is the first video I have seen where it is explained with great visuals and a good narration! I have subscribed, added this video to my watch laters, and am going to see Dune 2 once again on IMAX today. Thank you so much for this video! It explains a lot in a short period of time!
As a recurring warhammer fan this is very very similar to the gold/dark age of technology and the men of iron revolt
Coincidence? I think not...
Would love to see a movie on the Butlerian jihad.
Much best to leave it as ambiguous history as intended. Brian Herbert’s entries are woeful.
issac asimov robot series is kinda similar i guess
I think it would be more accurate to say that after having the burden of 61 billion dead in his name Paul is unwilling to go the further step of enacting the Golden Path thus forcing that yoke onto his son. Also it is the profound knowledge of his lost humanity that leads LETO II to his death
Leto II was riding on his father’s glory that’s for sure
@wadhwa6 hmmmmmm have you read the books??? That's not even close to what I meant
Beautifully done! By the end I felt truly moved.
Ah Monday, long have I awaited thee and the subsequent Lorebrarians upload.
Hope it did not disappoint!
@@TheLorebrarians Ha! Doubt that will ever be the case.
using AI art while recounting the story's warnings against over reliance on it is hilarious and saddening
Shhh… don’t tell them
It isn't GAI that's the problem. It's the men who use GAI to dominate their fellow men. The Uber rich tech bros are in a race to build the "firstus with the mostus" supermind...or it's just one big brain fu€k. 🤔
I would say it’s a bit more complicated. You have the ixians and the tleilaxu who push the boundaries of the Butlarian Jihad, the sisters used computers to keep track of the bloodlines and even the god emperor himself knew the ixians were developing a mathematical computer for fold space since the navigators were slowly dying off due to the spice dwindling. And even the god emperor used secret recorders to make his journals. And remember how the series end, and how the ultimate kwistaz haderach was able to become the avatar of human and machine.
No it isnt.
@@xspartan346xcan’t wait til whatever shitty low paying field your career is in gets replaced by ai too
The background music killed it for me 😭
My friends told me to read the books, and I was like, "Or I could watch an hour long video about it" saving frames
Or you could listen to an audiobook and experience the full wonder and depth of Herbert's complex, astounding universe 💁
You are weak and will be the first to taste the wrath of the Jihad 😂
@@honorsilverthorne7227I know it’s a pretty goofy statement to say that watching the video is the same as reading the books
This was wonderful to watch! Great job!
I’m about 3 hours into the dune rabbit hole trying to find stuff in the whole series not just the og 6
Ah... he's reading the glossary and almost finished
This is absolutely fantastic
I've been a fan for 10 years and have read all 6 dozens of times. I always find something different each read-through. I have to say, you're one of smartest, most thorough reviewers I've ever encountered
Here i was thinking Paul was the dude giving way for his son. Leto II became The Guy, and it turns out Duncan Idaho was Him the whole time. Crazy plot twist there.
So this BEGS the question, with the arrival, evolution and rule of the God Emperor, Leto 2, was that fulfillment of prophecy, the prophecy manufactured/manipulated by the BG sisters? Or was it the Fremen with the worship of the sand worms that helped Leto come to power, be a legit prophecy? On one hand, Leto 2 wasn’t possible without Jessica while on the other hand, BG’s were manipulating a savior, but did not account for the worship of sand worms?
I love the ambition of the Dune series.
Bums me out how ripped this story is from Sparta vs Athens as well as Augustus' Pax Romana.
So according to this, there was never a problem as such with the machines, other than the stagnation of human society.
It was the 20 titans, people, that turned them into an existential threat to humanity.
Frank Herbert in the original six novels never goes into too much detail about what exactly lead to the Butlerian Jihad, but he makes it pretty clear it' wasn't a Humanity VS Machines scenario à la Terminator or Matrix.
*“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”* _(Dune)_
*“What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do without thinking. Things we do without thinking-there’s the real danger.”* _(God Emperor of Dune)_
yeah overall it is kinda accepted it was a more sociopolitical thing, even with what his son wrote, no terminators or matrix, more like the early second renaissance in animatrix, more political, riots, uprising, shift in society.
if you want crazy AI battle it is more W40K, whte the men of iron got( probably) corrupted by chaos
Brian Herbert garbage.
machines in this series are like guns in america,
explanation:- "its not the gun that kills its people who do"-average american.
"its not machines that kills people its people with machines who kill people" - writer of this series
I would say it’s less about the threat machines *in and in itself* actually posed, and more that they were deemed as an irreconcilable element upon no other reaction but a complete war of extermination became to “go-to” answer. It’s a testimonial to the theme of the Empire getting itself into these quagmires due to the mindless adherence to their self absorbed ideology. Of course that by then shit was pretty much irreversible, but imagine if, for once, it had interpreted technology as something to be understood, respected, instead of something to be explored as one does a commodity. But that’s not how to empire thinks. They see a resource and extract it according to what immediate use they can put it into. Like, you know, a fitting analogy to illustrate the atitude they have regarding *that other thing*. Talk about “history repeating itself”, the empire clearly grasps very little regarding the full scope Melange and it’s potential - well, the Bene Gesserit non included, of course - and once again lies depending upon something that their own society relies on. Erroneously, they assume it to be dependency on Arrakis, instead it’s dependency on Melange itself. To break said dependence would require a complete overhaul of the whole civilizational modus operandi. That’s not how things normally go… I mean, the squashed “thinking machines” and that shit was gone, they were incapable of replicating it and improving. It’s a testament to how the main antagonistic force to a set civilization forms precisely within the gaps said civilization inadvertently created for itself - And well… The Muad’dib is as the Butlerians before him, except he *fucked shit* hard… But in all seriousness, how interesting is that! What’s best, the novel doesn’t present as a one note subject. As Herbert put it “we all inherited our ancestors violence”. In the end of the day, there’s little we get to do about it… but to try and understand it.
Isn’t it wild how dude’s got fascinated with the topology of the Arizona desert to the point that inspired him into writing a novel, and next thing you know that’s what it comes out? Never feel shame over your niche interests guys, let it inspire you!
Absolutely brilliant video👊🏼🇬🇧
I don’t know why, but his voice scratches my brain
Dune 2 might be one of the first movies ever to actually make me think about reading the books...
Absolutely brilliant Dune retrospective and explanation."
- timaeus BotRo
This is a great video, but I think you should have stated that some of this comes from the Brian Herbert books. It's not something that will be obvious to most news fans, and I think they deserve to know that there's a difference. While I think anyone's free to enjoy them, they changed a lot of Frank Herbert's story through retcons and I think Frank's books deserve to be regarded on their own.
To me, and a lot of fans, Dune and Expanded Dune is not the same thing. Although Dune is obviously part of Expanded Dune, I don't think it's unfair to consider Expanded Dune not a part of the regular Dune canon.
I would love a video like this that only includes the original Frank Herbert story as well!
I read all the fucking books waiting for a single plot line to end or any sort of conclusions to anything and finished feeling like everything I read was a bizarre hallucination/fever dream/lucid dream after book four I lost the thread completely
Great video, didn't feel 50 min long at all
Appreciate it! Tried to keep a good pace while also covering such an expansive timeline
Excellent summary! I've read all the books but not in chronological order.
al is CLEAR NOW --- WATER -- THANK U SO VERY MUCH FOR THIS
Pretty sure Dune is set in our universe's future with our timeline. The version of history present as a succession of Empires from Ancient Rome, to London, to Washington isn't a strictly speaking accurate history. It's an interpretation of history contemporary to the events of the book. Thus it distorts true history into a political schema that legitimizes the social structures associated with the period of the history's composition, which again is contemporaneous with the events of the books.
That is to say the version of ancient Earth history that is a series of successor empires more or less representing the greater part humanity collectively, is the popular understanding of history at the time of the Galactic Padishah Emperors, but it is only accurate as an interpretation of our actual history.
Hey, the wiki says so so it has to be true and is to be taken completely literally.
@@TheSelinux I don't care what the wiki says I'm basing my statement on my familiarity with the writer's own commentary about his work, and knowledge of where this specific Lore info comes from, namely the Dune Encyclopedia which was deliberately written as a reference work IN-UNIVERSE. Meaning that the version of human history presented in it is the official version understood in-universe, but it is not necessarily an accurate or detailed version of history.
Ive watched this at least 4 times now, my wife doesn't understand why but i love her anyway 😉
Please cover brian herberts continuation of dune, based off his fathers notes
In the 41st millenium,there is only war... Would be cool to think of Dune as the prolog of Warhammer 40k🤯
What a crazy, convoluted story.
Duncan Idaho has a son, Johnny Utah
I feel like we just passed up the Holtzman affect and Holtzman Engines but still pretty good.
Chapterhouse might be the most important book, but Herbert intended on one last novel to complete everything but passed away before he could so we can only imagine what that would've looked like. Alsi, isn't it Kralizec? And I hate that it's Omnius and not prescient Hunter Seekers which is a far more frightening prospect. Bryan Herbert was wrong for that one.
Then there's those two Face Dancers Marty and I forget the other one's name who may have technology far beyond anything ever seen. That ending was wild as hell
Daniel and Marty, two Face Dancers who, according to @Quinn's Ideas, accumulated so many personas that they gained freewill from their Masters. And by Chapterhouse, Scytale is the last Tleilaxu Master alive in the known universe (but there are the ones of many faces out in the Scattering). Krazilec is the misspelled version of Kralizec, the Typhoon Struggle, related to Arafel. Leto is pronounced “lay-toe”. I might read books 7 and 8 but will not read the 15 prequels. The timeline is supposed to be 20K years before Dune begins, 3 years in the first book, a 12 year jump before the 2nd book occurs, a 9 year jump at the end to set up Children of Dune, 3,500 years pass after that and God Emperor of Dune (my favorite) occurs, then 1,500 years pass before Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse occur, and there's also a 9 year jump within Chapterhouse as the Teg clone grown from fingernail clippings and neck cells while the previous Bashar was alive can grow up before his memories of the prior life are reawakened along with his powers.
So: 3, 12, 9, 3,500, 1,500, and 9, that equals 5,033 years beyond the beginning of the Dune series, which (remember) is 20K years after 1965 when Dune the opening novel was published. So: because Dune is 59 years old as a book, then we take 25033-59 = 24,974 years exactly until the end of Chapterhouse Dune within the timeline.
This is now the 9th time watching, this is such a good video.
I feel like this saga should have ended with God emperor of Dune, the other two books were completely psycho, super boring and unneccessary + the ending by Brian Herbert, son of Frank, that the true Messiah was Duncan felt wrong, to me the only Kwizatz Haderach was Paul and ultimately his son Leto
Dune and Warhammer having the most deep lore in media and it’s not even close.
crazy how in the end Duncan was the chosen one(s)
Aquaman, you must be new to twists.
Paul Atreites is the Quizrathastlebatt.
These books were so good
It’s really Duncan’s story, I think he’s the only 1 in all the books kinda like R2-D2
Lisan al gaib 😮 he knew we would eventually search this video up. As written 😧
Insane to know they had a whol AI arc before even getting to dune
WOW! The cogitors. Part human, part machine. There is currently an organization called Mormon Transhumanists who truly happily anticipate this concept, the fusion of humans and AI. 😮
I don’t know why I watched this. But the dune movies were not usually my “type” of movies but I’m obsessed with how amazing part one and two were. I just wish Zendaya didn’t have such a resting bitch face the whole part two. For good reason but still. Girl you his love for real.
seems like it's missing the point to use AI generated images to depict the Butlerian Jihad... I don't like it.
Clearly you werent paying attention..
The thinking machines were harmless before the 20 titans tampered with them
Kinda picky.. hasn't happened yet..
AI is still kinda new.. predictive imaging is newer than predictive text..
Give it time.. 🤔😗
Be Well!! 😀
Oh well never mind
What an idiotic nitpick
What if I told you those weren't AI generated images lmao
You should look into the lore of Warhammer 40k. And tell if you think it could be a type incognito sequel to Dune.
1:50 well, I'm not sure if it's vastly different. We are ruled by an unseen empire as we speak. Surely everyone knows that by now. You need but take on look at the elderly they put in front of us as our supposed leaders.
glad I'm not the only one to see this. I was starting to feel alone in the universe. Thank you for letting yourself be known. Now I feel less isolated.
I need help i have watched dune movie part 1&2 as well should i skip book 1&2 of Frank Herbert and start reading book 3... need help
You lose some of the internal monologues of characters, particularly Paul with just the movies. Some of the philosophical pondering on the apparent inevitability of the jihad is important imo. I also think messiah and children are some of the best novels in the series, so ultimately it is up to you. The biggest thing is to read Dune and Messiah as one long novel, otherwise the total message is kinda lost in the sauce/
Dune 2 was a beautiful movie
The empire on earth has been constant more so than some may have understood. The same empire dominates today but similar to Dune it has evolved or mutated with great wars. Families and orders represented in Dune are very similar to real history. We’ve been taught that the wealth of spices drove previous empire to conquer, murder and enslave. This became petroleum in modern history. It’s always been wealth that is the source of power for the empire. Wealth built the military, technology, finance slavery system etc.