@@Nick-oo5lh Yeah, a lot of people seem to miss the point that the prophecy was manufactured and forced to become true. Channi was the only one who didnt drink the "Messiah" koolaid. Paul also knew it was all bs, but he played the part because he foresaw visions of destruction and he could mitigate the damage if he was in control. The books went into Paul's struggle with essentially "playing God' The ending isn't a "good guy wins" ending like people think. The true winner was Paul's mother who successfully indoctrinated tens of millions of people through religion and installed her son as the "Messiah" to kick off a holy war that would end up with a billion deaths.
Denis is a genius.....no doubt. BUT, Greig Fraser deserves almost, if not as much credit as Villeneuve. his cinematography is unmatched in the business today. he's also the same guy who did "The Batman".
Denis is so smart that he took a perfect story and RUINED IT by putting modern political themes into someone else's work. Dune works because Frank Herbert was a great author, and NOT because Denis used 17 Race & Gender swaps to endear himself with people who hate him.
Same! I had chills at the fact that the theater was completely full at 3:00 pm on a Friday! This movie saved big cinema imo…The way Denis is able to bring you into these worlds is something special! Going again with some other friends in a week 😂
Denis had to make so many difficult choices in order to make the films both satisfying to those who know the books and also approachable for those who don’t. I’ve been thinking about Dune in comparison to the Lord of the Rings. Both are excessively challenging books to adapt to the screen but Jackson had the advantage of a very clear and direct core story of good versus evil. Dune is so nuanced and thrives in the shades of gray. I feel that Denis was in a position where he had to add contrast and push elements like the Harkonnens into more of a black and white portrayal in order to keep the story coherent for newcomers. I would have wanted more of the gray, but overall he did a masterful job in a near impossible situation. Bravo Denis!
So, I just watched Dune: Part Two in IMAX today. (I just got out.) I was blown away. I didn't eat or drink my food because the cinema kept me locked into the story. Mechanically, everything came together for Paul, and I was in awe at how everything worked out up to the war. I haven't seen cinema like this since Harry Potter. This is how you tell a story about a messiah or the chosen one. Everyone needs to see this film. Everyone.
Clearly, you're being judgmental and aren't accustomed to the tendency of filmmakers to make changes from the source material for the purpose of cinematic effect.@@RobPerreault
Non-book reader here, but definitely going to start after watching Dune part two. I suspect all the babies will play a major role in the next one, Zendaya’s being the actual Mahdi.
Congratulations, you fell prey to good ol fashioned religious indoctrination done very well. BUt it's ok because that is the movie's undertone: the dangers of religious zealotry and mesianic cult complexes invented by people who control politics from the shadow.
1:32 I feel like this comment is completely false right? Duke Leto went to Arrakis because the emperor was taking the planet away from the Harkonnens and “giving” it to the Atreides. The first movie showed multiple times how Leto didn’t really want to go there and was worried they were being setup by the emperor. I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that Duke Leto wanted to go there?!?….. once he was given the planet, he definitely wanted to use the Fremen and “desert power” to their advantage….. but he didn’t really want to be going there in the first place.
Did anyone else notice actor Everett McGill (the 1984 Dune's Stilgar) as the Sardukaur leader in the throne room when the Fremen break in? Great cameo!!!
@gregfulton2539 ya when u go, when the Sardukaur are lined up in front of the emperor as the fremen are breaking in, there is a Sardukaur leader walking to the door. He gets a great close up of his face. He is not in the credits so I think it's an Easter egg. It's a hard face to miss, very distinctive.
Watched last night. A bit conflicted. As a move experience, it was fantastic! Timothee was so strong as a lead. He was just excellent. I got chills a few times. However, I did not like the heavy story line with Jessica talking to Aria. Not sure why that was included. The compressed timeline- the war was years not months,Aria played a key role in the last battle. The ending with Chauni walking away 😤 she plays an important role in Paul’s life. so honestly, not liking some of the changes in major story-lines from the book. But as a stand alone sequel, judging away from the book, it was an EXCELLENT MOVIE.
Paul did say at some point after he gained his prescience that Chani would forgive him, so there's always that. They compressed the story for convenience and a more streamlined experience for the general audience. I was also kind of disappointed by Alia's exclusion but she would have made the movie way too dense and exposition heavy, they needed to focus on Paul's story and war against the Imperium and Harkonnen's. Plus it would be hard to have a 3 year old trying to talk like a wise old lady
I agree. Chani's character is much stronger than they portrayed her. And I dont recall the belief difference between the north and south. The only thing the Fremen seemed unsure of was the unnerving presence of Alia. Who of which became a fierce warrior herself.
I didn't read the complete book, but I feel the whole vengeance arc of Paul was a good replacement for a random 3 yo killing grown men. Using Jessica's pregnancy to show the pass of time was a good idea, and she and her daughter talking to each other was sinister. Dune is a very comvoluted and political book, so obviously adapting it to the big screen will take some elements away. The story arc of Jessica was pretty cool, showing this obsessive side of her wanting to control the Fremen through the prophecy. I was her way to prove to the Reverend Mother that she was wrong, and Jessica indeed gave birth to the One. Chani was okay for the most part. Her moments of rebellion against the idea of the Messiah were great, especially the scene where Jessica forces her to fulfit the prophecy. You said it. It's an excellent movie and sequel. And a very good adaptation overall.
@@heavyspoilerssame!!! I couldn't see it in IMAX for my first watch but I already have tickets for the IMAX version for this weekend! I am excited!!!!
As for 'and he rides a sandworm the first time' That is no big woop. That is why Stilgar gives him that speech about being simple, taking no risks and they know that he is brave. Teenage Fremen are worm-riders, this is his last 'test' as far as 'he is young, he can learn our ways' The path to manhood, being a Fremen. In the books Stilgar even lays into him about how many risks he took getting to/on the worm, reminding him again teenagers do it. On the OTHER hand, him calling a 'grandfather' worm... that's in the prophecy.
To me the first movie was a 7/10. This one is a lot better but I think people are overhyping it. I'd give it an 8/10. If the conclusion in Messiah rounds up the trilogy well I might give Part 2 a retrospective 8.5/10. Paul becomes hard to root for since he's just on another level once he drinks the Water of Life and that makes everything feel like less of a struggle and therefore kind of trivial.
I believe the anti-climactic ending is by design. Paul gains god like powers and achieves victory through incredible violence. This should not feel glorious but disturbing. Frank Herbert intended to present a story that highlights the terrible cost of vengeance and extremism.
I think that both The Creator and Godzilla Minus One both showed what is possible with smart budgets and planning and Dune Two just elevated the genre.. I haven’t been able to step thinking about it since watching it last night n would love to see Messiah in imax in the near future 🤩
@@kanaric except that it does matter in this case. There is a reason so many reject this betrayal of the Baron’s characterization. Frank was already dead, so he didn’t change his intention
7:52 no, it’s not that there was a prophecy and Bene Gesserit try to shoehorn Paul into that prophecy. Instead it is that the Bene Gesserit have created a story of a savior then purposely went about creating that savior through specific breeding and training. It’s like the Bene Gesserit created the prophecy as a goal and worked toward that goal for thousands of years.
I love how they portray weakness in a leader with Batista’s character constantly yelling. He then has to kiss the feet of Feyd-Rotha. Then at the end, Paul is constantly yelling as a leader. Very telling that he isn’t ready for leading like this. Emperor was correct about his father leading from his heart, and Paul is the same. It’ll most likely be his downfall. Can’t wait to see Zendaya’s character come back, most likely birthing the actual Mahdi.
Oh he yelled! Yelling is bad my woke communist indoctrination says... Dude, really wake up already, revolutions aren't done by old ladies tea talking... Rage isn't silly or smart but is needed if you want to change something, get it? The STABLISHMENT doesn't want anything to change so they preached you against rage. INDOCTRINATED YOU TO HAVE A NEGATIVE FEELING WHEN READING CAPS LIKE THE ONE YOU FEELING, EVEN WHEN I WRITE THIS CALMLY AND LAY DOWN THEIR LOGIC FOR YOU.
Can’t believe they made that popcorn bucket and didn’t immediately stop themselves after seeing it like “we just made a giant fleshlight…cancel all production”
I had three friends that tried to get that popcorn bucket but it was sold out so clearly they were doing something right lol. It’s freaking wild that got passed but also hilarious
Completely missing the point here. Jessica has the genetic memories of her mother. So she sees her mother get impregnated by the Baron. It takes two to make a child.
I was trying to figure out what was bugging me and I figured it out after watching your video: the lack of the time jump / condensing the time down. The war was like a two year endeavor and instead was a few months. By doing that the plot got really weakened: 1) it would have been more obvious that “oh hey right after we wiped out the Atreides some new guy shows up a few weeks later, I bet it’s the same guy!” 2) we lost a lot of emotional connection with Paul and Chani by not having Leto at Sietch Tabr (and also her taking the role of concubine). 3) Gurney and the smugglers felt too rushed for his relationship with them. 4) the birth of Alia (which is how we know it was only a few months, since in Part One she says she only knew for a few weeks). Alia wasn’t an abomination due to her powers but because she was pre-born (having full consciousness and access to genetic memory in the womb )and
Bingo! It was a great movie, but as it started closing in on the end, I started falling away from it. Chani riding away (because instead of understanding his political duty, she is angry he is becoming this prophecy like he said he wouldn't), Alia not being born, and Paul killing the Baron - it all rubbed me the wrong way and I found myself disappointed. But, yeah, it was all due to a (frankly) unnecessary time crunch. With movie lengths now, they could have easily added another half hour (or less really) to make the timeline right and no one would have batted an eye.
The change of aria in the womb is tasteful. Same with paul being the one to kill baron. I didnt like how chani was portrayed. The black sun was a cool effect. The explosions were rumbling, scale of the worms and machines was immense. Great movie. Especially when stilgar reasons away pauls rejection of being the mahdi lolol
Chani was kind of too submissive in the book imo so I didn’t mind that he used her as a conscientious piece to Paul’s questioning of his own path & the trouble uncertain futures could bring and an overall diversity of thought and beliefs among the the north and south of the fremen
Frank Herbert states it clearly in Dune that the Baron is fat. It is due to a curse put on him by the bene gesserit I believe. "As [Baron Vladimir Harkonnen] emerged from the shadows, his figure took on dimension - grossly and immensely fat. And with subtle bulges beneath folds of his dark robes to reveal that all this fat was sustained partly by portable suspensors harnessed to his flesh. He might weigh two hundred Standard kilos in actuality, but his feet would carry no more than fifty of them."
Saw it last night. Great film. The only problems I had were the weakness of the Saudarkar troops and that awkward look Chani gives after she kills 5 or 6 of them in about 6 seconds. Lol
I think it's implied in the books that the Fremen were the best fighting force in the universe, 2nd being the Saudarkar and Atriedes. The latter 2 being weaker because of the relative peace in the universe. Less opportunities to hone your skills in combat like the Fremen had. Also, I believe Chani is related to either Stilgar or Jameis can't remember..So she's not an average Fremen warrior.
Enjoyed the movie a lot. Can't wait for part 3. The only issues I had was the way time flowed in the middle of the film. I don't think the scenes conveyed much in that sense, you just kind of had to know the scenes were moving at a faster timeline than what had been shown up to the part where Paul started training as a fremen. Maybe Paul doing a monologue of how much time he's spent with that group of fremen. The flow just felt off, like scenes just put in random order. I figured it has a lot to do with the movie length so I understand.
one detail you missed: when paul kills the baron, he kills him by stabbing him in the left side of his neck and he says "you die like an animal". both of these details refer to the gom jabbar test and paul is showing he's a superior being than his harkonnen ancestors. while there are several differences from the book and movie, most of the changes in the film are superior to me since they show the deeper theme better than the book did.
I didn't like the changes. They still had his sister in the womb. They made chani into a pouty little girl. They had Jessica using the voice on everyone, when I was deeply forbidden lol
@@GeminiMaddnezz864lyfe i love the book but most of the changes made the movie a better piece of fiction than the book. chani is not a pouty girl, she sees the prophecy for what it always has been: a tool to mobilize a desperate people to a cause that leads to their demise. also the fact that there are groups amongst the fremen who don't believe in the prophecy is much more realistic and respectful of them than herbert's depiction of the fremen as a monolith.
I watched Dune on a whim via appletv like a month ago. Watched Dune 2 in theaters immediately after and have been immersed ever since. Everyone involved with this project is phenomenal. Havent been so pumped about a movie/story in a LONG time.
Yep. But with how DV has taken the storyline and altered things, many start to theorize (in Dune thread) that the end of the 3rd movie is either - - - Paul walking to the desert to die like Fremen OR he will take over the Golden Path.
@@tracys169I want a proper adaptation of Children of Dune so I hope it's Paul walking out into the desert. Leto II is rightfully the God Emperor and he deserves to have his story told, almost as equally as Paul and Dune. I know we'll never get God Emperor but it's very wishful thinking and I feel Dune, Messiah and Children of Dune are all part of a trilogy, so it would be a disservice to not give Leto II his own story.
@@RobertK1993 Dennis is only doing Dune and Dune Messiah, so we'll never get an adaptation done with same care and attention to detail as we've had with Dune Part 1 and 2 for Children of Dune (at least with Dennis at the helm). Dennis would realistically have to do these 3 books as either 6 films or 4 (if he's ignoring Children of Dune). I'm sure he's going to make Messiah 3 hours long but he might also split it in two. God Emperor is very cerebral and full of talking/political scheming. Lots of philosophy and pondering. I don't think we'll get it but it's very wishful thinking on my part.
huge disappointment that they didn't show any Guild Navigators. It's a powerful section of the book when they are alerted to Paul's prescience and his ability and willingness to end Spice production.
The one thing they left out that got me was how Leto taught Paul that marriage was a tool for politics. That was a big plot point, and Jessica told Chani that even though Irulan was his political wife, that the ones that were called concubine was where the Dukes heart truly lay. It would have help to not make Chani look so scorned at the end.
The only thing that sticks in my craw is the nefarious change in both Jessica and Paul, in the source material she actively tries to discourage Paul's ascension to Messiah and Paul isn't as manipulative and machiavellian. Overall though, I have the biggest nerd-gasm ever, BADASS
At 13:20 you mention that Harkonnen sounds Russian - in fact it seems more Finnish than anything. They are all very pale, they love knives, the Baron's medical treatment involves a sort of tar sauna etc. These are all very Finnish attributes
Sladering? Nah, More like damn flattering imo 😅. A small 6million people country, being one of the dominant Houses in The universe. Slander? Nah, tho many from harkonnen are sociopathic, deviant, and just not too appealing. Apart from those, none taken :D Ja mä oon Suomesta:)
Great video. Just saw Dune Part 2 yesterday on IMAX with my 15 year old son. For me, who have read all Frank Herbert's Dune books, this movie is both a cinematic work of art and the best sf book adaptation of all times. This is a dream come true. For my son, who does not read sf, he was totally mesmerized with the power of the story, images, characters, graphics. This shows that Denis Villeneuve has been visionary in his ambition to adapt a sf classic and making it appealing to generations of readers and non readers. I truly wish he will consider continuing on the adaptation of the remaining Dune novels, even though I understand it will be a studio / director battle difficult to win in some aspects.
I've loved this story since I was a sci-fi bookworm kid in the 70s, so I'm fully aware of the differences here. An excellent adaptation can be forgiven many things, and I do, but just as a movie fan I had to ask myself: Why is the giant battle for Arakeen primarily a knife fight?
@@PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude the biggest question I have is why does the movie act like Paul had control of the freeman? Like the send them to paradise and the landsraad not agreeing like justifies the Jihad. That’s a creative choice. I hope he explains like just as a book reader. Because he never had control of his army and the landsraad immediately like before the emperor even stepped down. Amazing experience as a movie. And I’m the worst type of book loyalist. Like seriously annoying type but even I loved it. I had to listen to the interviews about Chani to understand. But I hope he explains why the landsraad said no. IMO it justifies the horror, or it could to some viewers. What a chilling ending. Watching the joy on their faces after Paul tells them that. It made me and my husband both just like freeze. Great experience. Because it’s been years since we left a theater feeling that way.
@@Gubble-oq6dn then why read my long ass comment 😂😂😂 And if you’re new to the dune fandom then you’re gonna see a lot of us. Either way happy you were able to get into the dune universe, it’s awesome.
I saw this last night at the 10 pm show at the big Burbank 16 theater here and it was truly a piece of cinema to behold I mean there was moments were I had chills just because of how well the visuals and sound design & music fit. It’s of course very well acted my only criticism is the pacing at times but it’s minor and to be fair this isn’t a easy book to bring to the big screen at all. I have no idea how Denis will do Messiah but I have faith he could pull it off
Very nicely analyzed. I agree in total. I can say that even my wife not being in SciFi at all got immersed within both Dune films. And DO SEE IT in IMAX theaters: The sound will blow you away and gives an additional dimension and feel for explosions, the massive machinery and so one. Its perfectly done and made the theater shake. Brilliant!
Spot on review HS. I absolutely loved this film. I'll definitely be going to see it again at least once more. If there's a better film out this year i'd be amazed.
I loved that the movie didn’t feel the need to show everything. After Paul kills the Barron he gives a calm order to his men… give the Barron’s body to the desert, kill the Sardaukar, and bring the prisoners. Later we get a quick shot of the body in the sand covered in ants and then the prisoners are led in to the room Paul is in. No big fight to kill the guards, no dragging the body out just move forward and let the audience fill in the blank.
i really enjoyed the first one. don't know why this one didn't really connect with me- it just never got there. but i'm glad for everyone who had a great time with it, and i still look forward to seeing what comes with the third installment.
I think it was very thematically different than the 1st and not what I was expecting. Kind of threw me off but I still really liked it. Here’s hoping a 2nd viewing improves your impression.
Seen on imax in metrocentre. Sound design was amazing. From the utter bass when they're mining spice or the worms to the sheer silence of just blades clanging during the knife fight. Amazeballs
Great Vid! Love the cuts and editing too. Some savage stuff in there. I 'wtf'd' out loud with the two girls 1 cup drop. Bravo dude! Probably one of the best films I've ever seen. Thanks again for the entertainment. 👌
I am still trying to parse how I feel about this movie. It's not faithful... but at the same time, it somehow is more faithful to the book than the book is. It's aggressively, succinctly, capturing the message and the story. It's changing things but I'm not sure that those absences or alterations actually hurt the story. I'm really confused.
I want them to go all the way , the sisterhood just has too much latent potential it would just be leaving too much money on the table not to explore it. The jihad is also a good excuse to explore the empire , the tleilaxu and Ixians etc They should go as far as they can
Great comments. But if they do Dune messiah,alotta fans may be disappointed. I thought Messiah was interesting but some what of a let down. But will see.
What the hell are you talking about that women are not seen as equal to men in the Duniverse? The Bene Gesserit is more or less the ultimate power in all of this universe. They are pulling the string behind everything. EVERYTHING. They had been in power behind the scenes for over 10,000 years. The Duniverse in not ruled by the patriarchy. Leto never married Jessica for political reasons. She was his Duchess, in all but name, and Jessica understood that. She held no animosity towards Leto for this. In the Fremen culture the Reverend Mothers were revered and held great influence. To say that this universe was controlled by the patriarchy and women have very little control over anything is ridiculous.
I can't stop thinking about this movie. It was that good. I wasn't thinking first hand about comparisons too the Dark Knight, but those are completely valid. Dennis is essentially cerebral Christopher Nolan. I've loved pretty much everything he's touched since and Incendes
IMO the problem is that only adapting Messiah will end with a big cliffhanger and people would be begging for Children of Dune to see where it all goes. Again IMO the story should end with the horror of Paul's son Leto II the God Emperor himself and the actual death of Paul. That would be more of realization of the authors intent on making a story about the dangers of enlightened messianic prophetic leaders.
Outright hated what they did to Chani - took all her actual and honorable roles, took her heritage (no longer the daughter of Leet), took her son, and made her unlikeable and angry.
Gotta be honest, I’ve been watching new rockstars and screen crush for a few years now and I just recently got into your videos and have binged so many of them. You’re so fucking funny dude, thank you
"Make sure you are Dune your part Too" dude, you brought it back. LOL another great breakdown from the Heavy Spoilers Team. you guys always hit home runs. big fan, apreciate you guys. 10/10
Messiah is where the movies should and will end. Anything after that, not even Villeneuve could adapt those stories into something that would be appealing to the general audiences
The original book was in three parts, and Messiah is just part four, for the most part. Much of it was already written when the first book was released. But everything after that was obviously written because the publisher wanted to sell more books. I can't imagine God Emperor being made into anything anyone would want to watch. Hell, I couldn't even finish reading the book. I barely finished Children. I loved the first two books, but things went seriously off the rails after that.
Herbert conceived of Dune / DM and CoD as a complete cycle loosely based on classic Greek tragic trilogy the Oresteia by Aeschylus. The Oresteia is a sequence about the rise and fall of a great King and how his children pick up the pieces of the kingdom after. The Oresteia follows the ancient Greek heroic House of "Atreus" and deals with issues of revenge, vendetta and fate.
@@charlesajones77 "everything after that was obviously written because the publisher wanted to sell more books" lol No. Just because you couldn't finish it doesn't make Herbert an opportunistic hack. "I finally just took out my ideas about how long it "should" be. I started building from the back. Where does it have to go? So parts of Children of Dune and Dune Messiah were already written before I completed Dune." - Frank Herbert "The Sparks Have Flown" from The Maker of Dune - Insights of a Master of Science Fiction.
I don't like them changing the fact that Paul only used the nukes on the Shield Wall, not the Harkonnens, and certainly not the Spice. He was going to use changed Water of Life on a Pre-Spice mass to disrupt the cycle. He skirted the law but very purposely didn't break it. Chani was just as happy to be concubine as Jessica was and encouraged the marriage to Irulan. She knew just how to keep her in her place anyway. It feels like they took that agency away from her. Chani was a total BAMF and sister wives were an acceptable practice in the Fremen culture. I'm confused on how the timeline is going to go if Alia wasn't born by the end, it takes 2 years for Muad'Dib to be ready to take over the Empire. He has to have time to teach the Fremen the Weirding way. It's so weird the things they change for what seems like no reason and ends up changing a lot of the story.
In the book, the Butlerian Jihad wasn’t between man and machines. It was against men who used machines to enslave the rest of humanity. The “Terminator” crap was Kevin J Anderson fanfic.
The black and white scenes were so cool it’s like they took the shot where holdo jumped to lightspeed and destroyed snokes fleet in Star Wars, but made it a 10 minute sequence.
Oh Paul. Great video, as per usual. I really could have done without that "two girls..." Reference. I had horrific PTSD-like flashbacks of the first, and only, time I saw it. 🤢 I had just gotten those visions out of my head but you just had to bring em back, didn't you? But seriously, great breakdown. My dad and I saw this yesterday and he said it was the best thing he's seen in a while, and I quite agree.
There were moments in this movie that may have been the most immersive movie experience I've ever had. There's a part where _I_ felt like _I_ was riding the sandworm. The cinematography is just crazy
Saying women have no power in Dune is flat out incorrect. Bene Gesserit seem to be more powerful than swords. What you are actually saying is they don't have the same power men do.
He doesn't understand Dune lore. The Benes have a balance power with the rest of the Imperium, it plays off the ying & yang balance of life philosophy, they used their wombs as weapons for political control as the men with swords & force fields, It's thoughtfully masterful.
Actually, the reason he’s able to defeat Jami’s so easily is because he saw the fight in his premonitions. they probably didn’t make that very clear because they kept showing his death which was also trying to build up tension for the viewer cause nobody wants to film when everything is figured out beforehand
Shame Villeneuve is stopping at Dune: Messiah as I felt that book was quite weak compared to Dune. But considering how weird it gets I can see why he made that choice.
@@ethancoster1324True Leto II is the Messiah, although the golden path is something he strives for, he kinda stumbles, but eventually it all turns out the best for humanity. Kinda the point. Atreides! Atreides! Atreides!
Paul killing Jammis was a good forshadowing into his character as a young man. There a side of him like his father, who first thinks and acts out of kindness and mercy.... But then theres a scared little boy who is hungry for control that took over when he was being peer pressured..... 😂 Great foreshadowing
That in-depth breakdown I promised is here - ua-cam.com/video/8Zn2MkEMhGo/v-deo.htmlsi=pwyEAzOWPPzLqTnt
After watching Austin Butler’s performance, all I could think was “OMG, this was what Christian Bale’s Gore the God Butcher was suppose to be!!”
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I thought the exact same thing in theatres
Facts!!
Paul silencing that old crone was extremely satisfying.
SILENCE!
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Bout time someone tell that old hag off. 😂😂😂
I keep thinking about that scene. That literally gave me chills. And to see her feel it and jump back b
I preferred the 1984
Almost same but with the added, painful "Get out of my _mind!"_
Same thing happened in the 1984 version.
I sit my own sneak eyes grandmather with one word. And none judged me wrong in my huge family all present, the voice is a real thing.
There was also a great "only the true messiah denies his divinity, so he must be the real messiah" moment that was straight out of Life of Brian.
Yeah I was thinking at that point, "No one escapes the Python, no one" 😂
He’s not the “True Messiah” that’s the whole point of Dune 😂
I thought the same!!!! Only true internet intecetuals get that haha
@@Nick-oo5lh Yeah, a lot of people seem to miss the point that the prophecy was manufactured and forced to become true. Channi was the only one who didnt drink the "Messiah" koolaid. Paul also knew it was all bs, but he played the part because he foresaw visions of destruction and he could mitigate the damage if he was in control. The books went into Paul's struggle with essentially "playing God'
The ending isn't a "good guy wins" ending like people think. The true winner was Paul's mother who successfully indoctrinated tens of millions of people through religion and installed her son as the "Messiah" to kick off a holy war that would end up with a billion deaths.
Muad’dib is not the Messiah. He’s a very naughty boy 😂
Denis is a genius.....no doubt.
BUT, Greig Fraser deserves almost, if not as much credit as Villeneuve. his cinematography is unmatched in the business today. he's also the same guy who did "The Batman".
Every shot I want as a wallpaper… it was an absolute beautiful film to just look at
Yep - even Roger Deakins acknowledged Batman should have won best cinematography that year.
Denis is so smart that he took a perfect story and RUINED IT by putting modern political themes into someone else's work. Dune works because Frank Herbert was a great author, and NOT because Denis used 17 Race & Gender swaps to endear himself with people who hate him.
After prisoners, I knew Denis was director to watch, but after sicario, it was practically guaranteed he was bound for greatness.
Copy pasting this comment from other video is embarrassing 😂
Can't forget about Arrival
He did prisoners? The one with Hugh Hackman? Damn didn’t know that . One of my favorites in that genre
I was blown away when i knew he did Sicario, I thought he was just sci-fi.
@@SK4M_Freal He's also made Enemy which is another masterpiece
Cannot stop thinking about this movie. The cinema was FULL for me and everyone just sat there flabbergasted at the end.
I had on lady next to me who HAD to converse with her partner at EVERY SINGLE quiet moment in the film...
@@USMCOrdy6541 Noooo lol 😳
@@USMCOrdy6541fuck I had the same problem. So bloody distracting.
Same! I had chills at the fact that the theater was completely full at 3:00 pm on a Friday! This movie saved big cinema imo…The way Denis is able to bring you into these worlds is something special! Going again with some other friends in a week 😂
Best movie I've ever seen, I think.
Denis had to make so many difficult choices in order to make the films both satisfying to those who know the books and also approachable for those who don’t. I’ve been thinking about Dune in comparison to the Lord of the Rings. Both are excessively challenging books to adapt to the screen but Jackson had the advantage of a very clear and direct core story of good versus evil. Dune is so nuanced and thrives in the shades of gray. I feel that Denis was in a position where he had to add contrast and push elements like the Harkonnens into more of a black and white portrayal in order to keep the story coherent for newcomers. I would have wanted more of the gray, but overall he did a masterful job in a near impossible situation. Bravo Denis!
He failed at both.
@@MaxVroomfondel= mental troglodyte
How so? Please expand with your VAST knowledge of the subject. @@MaxVroomfondel
Massive failure in this case. They made a nice Hollywood darling but completely butchered the most epic sci fi story of all time
Loved the book and loved the movie!
So, I just watched Dune: Part Two in IMAX today. (I just got out.) I was blown away. I didn't eat or drink my food because the cinema kept me locked into the story. Mechanically, everything came together for Paul, and I was in awe at how everything worked out up to the war. I haven't seen cinema like this since Harry Potter. This is how you tell a story about a messiah or the chosen one. Everyone needs to see this film. Everyone.
Agree. I hope people go watch it.
CLEARLY YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS OR CARE ABOUT THE ACTUAL STORY
Clearly, you're being judgmental and aren't accustomed to the tendency of filmmakers to make changes from the source material for the purpose of cinematic effect.@@RobPerreault
@@RobPerreault give it a rest, dude. The movies are a completely different medium from the books and so there will be changes and consolidations.
@@RobPerreault that doesn't mean people can't enjoy the movie version of the story 🤷🏻♂️
You are not prepared for what is to come.
Non book readers thinking Messiah's going to be return of the King are going to be very disappointed.
Messiah is such a hard book to adapt to the screen… I feel they should change it a bunch
@@bobbyfischer9927yea I feel that way. I mean his allia is killing people at like 4 years old
Non-book reader here, but definitely going to start after watching Dune part two. I suspect all the babies will play a major role in the next one, Zendaya’s being the actual Mahdi.
Reality is sobering
@@cameronmendez6483Umm....SPOILER ALERT!
Chani in the books, dies while giving birth to Paul's two twin children
I didn’t even know what Dune was about but after watching both movie I was left saying “Lisan Al-Gaib”
That's scary
@@huh-xz6by I’d say it’s amazing
Congratulations, you fell prey to good ol fashioned religious indoctrination done very well.
BUt it's ok because that is the movie's undertone: the dangers of religious zealotry and mesianic cult complexes invented by people who control politics from the shadow.
1:32 I feel like this comment is completely false right? Duke Leto went to Arrakis because the emperor was taking the planet away from the Harkonnens and “giving” it to the Atreides. The first movie showed multiple times how Leto didn’t really want to go there and was worried they were being setup by the emperor.
I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that Duke Leto wanted to go there?!?….. once he was given the planet, he definitely wanted to use the Fremen and “desert power” to their advantage….. but he didn’t really want to be going there in the first place.
The Baron even says it: when is a gift not a gift?
Wrong take indeed.
Yeah like Leto knows straight up that they WILL be attacked. Just thought he’d have more time. No one wanted to go.
Did anyone else notice actor Everett McGill (the 1984 Dune's Stilgar) as the Sardukaur leader in the throne room when the Fremen break in? Great cameo!!!
I did! I was wondering if that was him!!!
@puffsplus72 he's not credited so I think it's an Easter egg, I recognized his face immediately. Loved this movie.
What!....great catch will note on second viewing...as in he's a hero as Big Ed in Twin Peaks.
@gregfulton2539 ya when u go, when the Sardukaur are lined up in front of the emperor as the fremen are breaking in, there is a Sardukaur leader walking to the door. He gets a great close up of his face. He is not in the credits so I think it's an Easter egg. It's a hard face to miss, very distinctive.
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Watched last night.
A bit conflicted.
As a move experience, it was fantastic! Timothee was so strong as a lead. He was just excellent. I got chills a few times.
However, I did not like the heavy story line with Jessica talking to Aria. Not sure why that was included.
The compressed timeline- the war was years not months,Aria played a key role in the last battle.
The ending with Chauni walking away 😤 she plays an important role in Paul’s life. so honestly, not liking some of the changes in major story-lines from the book.
But as a stand alone sequel, judging away from the book, it was an EXCELLENT MOVIE.
Paul did say at some point after he gained his prescience that Chani would forgive him, so there's always that.
They compressed the story for convenience and a more streamlined experience for the general audience. I was also kind of disappointed by Alia's exclusion but she would have made the movie way too dense and exposition heavy, they needed to focus on Paul's story and war against the Imperium and Harkonnen's. Plus it would be hard to have a 3 year old trying to talk like a wise old lady
I agree. Chani's character is much stronger than they portrayed her. And I dont recall the belief difference between the north and south. The only thing the Fremen seemed unsure of was the unnerving presence of Alia. Who of which became a fierce warrior herself.
Agree. Had the same feeling. The ending differs from the book and I missed Alia in the ending.
I didn't read the complete book, but I feel the whole vengeance arc of Paul was a good replacement for a random 3 yo killing grown men. Using Jessica's pregnancy to show the pass of time was a good idea, and she and her daughter talking to each other was sinister.
Dune is a very comvoluted and political book, so obviously adapting it to the big screen will take some elements away.
The story arc of Jessica was pretty cool, showing this obsessive side of her wanting to control the Fremen through the prophecy. I was her way to prove to the Reverend Mother that she was wrong, and Jessica indeed gave birth to the One.
Chani was okay for the most part. Her moments of rebellion against the idea of the Messiah were great, especially the scene where Jessica forces her to fulfit the prophecy.
You said it. It's an excellent movie and sequel. And a very good adaptation overall.
My thoughts exactly. Def gonna watch it a few more times. I’m sure it will grow on me, but the diversions from the book kind of bummed me out.
This movie was unbelievably good!!! Agreed, it is definitely in family of greatest sequels ever! Epic breakdown! Thanks mate!
Yeah I can’t wait to rewatch it. So good.
@@heavyspoilerssame!!! I couldn't see it in IMAX for my first watch but I already have tickets for the IMAX version for this weekend! I am excited!!!!
Really really is one of the greatest sequels ever although its gonna be one big film too me.
I just watched this movie a few hours ago and it was great
this movie was unbelievably bad.
I just realized that 2 of the main characters in No Country for Old Men are both in this movie
As for 'and he rides a sandworm the first time' That is no big woop. That is why Stilgar gives him that speech about being simple, taking no risks and they know that he is brave.
Teenage Fremen are worm-riders, this is his last 'test' as far as 'he is young, he can learn our ways' The path to manhood, being a Fremen. In the books Stilgar even lays into him about how many risks he took getting to/on the worm, reminding him again teenagers do it.
On the OTHER hand, him calling a 'grandfather' worm... that's in the prophecy.
You know it’s funny the prophecy is just propaganda but then he ends up doing the outlandish things in the prophecy… self fulfilling prophecy really
Also, shooting the Geidi Prime, the way they did provided a great visual contrast to Arrakis. Explaining it with a black sun was brilliant.
To me the first movie was a 7/10. This one is a lot better but I think people are overhyping it. I'd give it an 8/10. If the conclusion in Messiah rounds up the trilogy well I might give Part 2 a retrospective 8.5/10. Paul becomes hard to root for since he's just on another level once he drinks the Water of Life and that makes everything feel like less of a struggle and therefore kind of trivial.
I believe the anti-climactic ending is by design. Paul gains god like powers and achieves victory through incredible violence. This should not feel glorious but disturbing. Frank Herbert intended to present a story that highlights the terrible cost of vengeance and extremism.
I don't remember Paul's story being a happy one.
I think that both The Creator and Godzilla Minus One both showed what is possible with smart budgets and planning and Dune Two just elevated the genre.. I haven’t been able to step thinking about it since watching it last night n would love to see Messiah in imax in the near future 🤩
The Paul and Fayde fight was amazing, the music and cinematography eclipsed the first, and the character work was better. WHAT a movie.
The bit about the Baron being cursed is a huge point of contention on the fandom. That was a Brian Herbert retcon not Frank’s original intention
Brian's crap is worthless. I can't stand what he and KJA published.
Defo not a thing weird uneeded edit.
it doesn't really matter if it's not his original intention that is what it is even original authors change their original intentions
😂 still used his dad's notes and intentions for the plot
@@kanaric except that it does matter in this case. There is a reason so many reject this betrayal of the Baron’s characterization. Frank was already dead, so he didn’t change his intention
7:52 no, it’s not that there was a prophecy and Bene Gesserit try to shoehorn Paul into that prophecy. Instead it is that the Bene Gesserit have created a story of a savior then purposely went about creating that savior through specific breeding and training. It’s like the Bene Gesserit created the prophecy as a goal and worked toward that goal for thousands of years.
I love how they portray weakness in a leader with Batista’s character constantly yelling. He then has to kiss the feet of Feyd-Rotha. Then at the end, Paul is constantly yelling as a leader. Very telling that he isn’t ready for leading like this. Emperor was correct about his father leading from his heart, and Paul is the same. It’ll most likely be his downfall. Can’t wait to see Zendaya’s character come back, most likely birthing the actual Mahdi.
Oh he yelled! Yelling is bad my woke communist indoctrination says... Dude, really wake up already, revolutions aren't done by old ladies tea talking... Rage isn't silly or smart but is needed if you want to change something, get it? The STABLISHMENT doesn't want anything to change so they preached you against rage. INDOCTRINATED YOU TO HAVE A NEGATIVE FEELING WHEN READING CAPS LIKE THE ONE YOU FEELING, EVEN WHEN I WRITE THIS CALMLY AND LAY DOWN THEIR LOGIC FOR YOU.
That last sentence is just ridiculous.
Whoa whoa whoa, can't wait to SEE Zendaya's character BIRTHING?
@@KarateGirl999 ay yooo
Can’t believe they made that popcorn bucket and didn’t immediately stop themselves after seeing it like “we just made a giant fleshlight…cancel all production”
I had three friends that tried to get that popcorn bucket but it was sold out so clearly they were doing something right lol. It’s freaking wild that got passed but also hilarious
Thanks for the 2 girls 1 cup reference. I thought I had buried that deep away in my mind, but you just to bring it up!!
8:10 Jessica's ancestral memories do NOT include those of the baron as she only has access to female memories.
True… yet Alia is not that limited
Completely missing the point here. Jessica has the genetic memories of her mother. So she sees her mother get impregnated by the Baron. It takes two to make a child.
So wait Jessica’s dad is the baron? Missed that part I did get they were related
But all Reverend Mothers shared the same memories. So she would be privy to the facts of her conception.
The films was absolutely amazing. I was hoping to see more of the spacing guild. Big scene from the orginal when the navigatior chews out the emperor.
Yeah I was definitely looking forward to seeing space folding at least once or a navigator having dialogue with someone...
I was trying to figure out what was bugging me and I figured it out after watching your video: the lack of the time jump / condensing the time down.
The war was like a two year endeavor and instead was a few months.
By doing that the plot got really weakened:
1) it would have been more obvious that “oh hey right after we wiped out the Atreides some new guy shows up a few weeks later, I bet it’s the same guy!”
2) we lost a lot of emotional connection with Paul and Chani by not having Leto at Sietch Tabr (and also her taking the role of concubine).
3) Gurney and the smugglers felt too rushed for his relationship with them.
4) the birth of Alia (which is how we know it was only a few months, since in Part One she says she only knew for a few weeks). Alia wasn’t an abomination due to her powers but because she was pre-born (having full consciousness and access to genetic memory in the womb )and
Whyd u out the spoiler at the end (idc about spoilers)
Bingo! It was a great movie, but as it started closing in on the end, I started falling away from it. Chani riding away (because instead of understanding his political duty, she is angry he is becoming this prophecy like he said he wouldn't), Alia not being born, and Paul killing the Baron - it all rubbed me the wrong way and I found myself disappointed. But, yeah, it was all due to a (frankly) unnecessary time crunch. With movie lengths now, they could have easily added another half hour (or less really) to make the timeline right and no one would have batted an eye.
The change of aria in the womb is tasteful. Same with paul being the one to kill baron. I didnt like how chani was portrayed. The black sun was a cool effect. The explosions were rumbling, scale of the worms and machines was immense. Great movie. Especially when stilgar reasons away pauls rejection of being the mahdi lolol
Stilgar was the funniest
Chani was kind of too submissive in the book imo so I didn’t mind that he used her as a conscientious piece to Paul’s questioning of his own path & the trouble uncertain futures could bring and an overall diversity of thought and beliefs among the the north and south of the fremen
Bro that scene with stilgar were he says he’s too humble to let you know he’s the madhi had our whole theater laughing
@@keithremedy same! classic ahaha
Zendaya great though, emotes so much
That thing with the Baron being fat because something happen to him is just a Brian Herbert thing. I cant remember that in the six orginal books.
Frank Herbert states it clearly in Dune that the Baron is fat. It is due to a curse put on him by the bene gesserit I believe.
"As [Baron Vladimir Harkonnen] emerged from the shadows, his figure took on dimension - grossly and immensely fat. And with subtle bulges beneath folds of his dark robes to reveal that all this fat was sustained partly by portable suspensors harnessed to his flesh. He might weigh two hundred Standard kilos in actuality, but his feet would carry no more than fifty of them."
Saw it last night. Great film. The only problems I had were the weakness of the Saudarkar troops and that awkward look Chani gives after she kills 5 or 6 of them in about 6 seconds. Lol
Ok I thought it was just me lol. The Saudakar in the 1st Dune were explained as highly skilled fighters but here they were so easy to kill
I think it's implied in the books that the Fremen were the best fighting force in the universe, 2nd being the Saudarkar and Atriedes. The latter 2 being weaker because of the relative peace in the universe. Less opportunities to hone your skills in combat like the Fremen had.
Also, I believe Chani is related to either Stilgar or Jameis can't remember..So she's not an average Fremen warrior.
@@Elle-tb8tiwell the fremen are as good because they are trained in similar conditions
The fremen cut through the Saudarkar like butter
But haven't they been trained by then in the Weirding Way, which gives them supernatural speed and strength?
Major Frieza vibes with Butlers performance. Even looks like a live action Frieza.
Enjoyed the movie a lot. Can't wait for part 3. The only issues I had was the way time flowed in the middle of the film. I don't think the scenes conveyed much in that sense, you just kind of had to know the scenes were moving at a faster timeline than what had been shown up to the part where Paul started training as a fremen. Maybe Paul doing a monologue of how much time he's spent with that group of fremen. The flow just felt off, like scenes just put in random order. I figured it has a lot to do with the movie length so I understand.
one detail you missed: when paul kills the baron, he kills him by stabbing him in the left side of his neck and he says "you die like an animal". both of these details refer to the gom jabbar test and paul is showing he's a superior being than his harkonnen ancestors.
while there are several differences from the book and movie, most of the changes in the film are superior to me since they show the deeper theme better than the book did.
Love that! Great catch.
God that scene was so powerful! Revenge for his father, and the music was so damn good!!!
I didn't like the changes. They still had his sister in the womb. They made chani into a pouty little girl. They had Jessica using the voice on everyone, when I was deeply forbidden lol
@@GeminiMaddnezz864lyfe i love the book but most of the changes made the movie a better piece of fiction than the book. chani is not a pouty girl, she sees the prophecy for what it always has been: a tool to mobilize a desperate people to a cause that leads to their demise. also the fact that there are groups amongst the fremen who don't believe in the prophecy is much more realistic and respectful of them than herbert's depiction of the fremen as a monolith.
@@GeminiMaddnezz864lyfe I'm with you, I still prefer the book and the sci-fi miniseries myself.
I watched Dune on a whim via appletv like a month ago. Watched Dune 2 in theaters immediately after and have been immersed ever since. Everyone involved with this project is phenomenal. Havent been so pumped about a movie/story in a LONG time.
Yeah, Paul is not the worm, Letto II is ... 8:52 min mark
Yep. But with how DV has taken the storyline and altered things, many start to theorize (in Dune thread) that the end of the 3rd movie is either
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Paul walking to the desert to die like Fremen OR he will take over the Golden Path.
@@tracys169I want a proper adaptation of Children of Dune so I hope it's Paul walking out into the desert. Leto II is rightfully the God Emperor and he deserves to have his story told, almost as equally as Paul and Dune. I know we'll never get God Emperor but it's very wishful thinking and I feel Dune, Messiah and Children of Dune are all part of a trilogy, so it would be a disservice to not give Leto II his own story.
@@BetaBreaking Why won't Warner Bros Pictures greenlight God emperor if children of Dune is a hit.
@@RobertK1993 Dennis is only doing Dune and Dune Messiah, so we'll never get an adaptation done with same care and attention to detail as we've had with Dune Part 1 and 2 for Children of Dune (at least with Dennis at the helm).
Dennis would realistically have to do these 3 books as either 6 films or 4 (if he's ignoring Children of Dune). I'm sure he's going to make Messiah 3 hours long but he might also split it in two.
God Emperor is very cerebral and full of talking/political scheming. Lots of philosophy and pondering. I don't think we'll get it but it's very wishful thinking on my part.
LET THE SPICE FLOW!!!
“I gotta have more spice!”
- Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV, probably
Let Definition FLOWWW
Saw it in Imax and I must say what a fucking experience
looooooool@@renzlenardpuga735
"He who controls the Spice controls the Universe!"
:-Floating fat man
huge disappointment that they didn't show any Guild Navigators. It's a powerful section of the book when they are alerted to Paul's prescience and his ability and willingness to end Spice production.
Its amazing how much Denis has used inspiration from Jodorowsky in the art direction. Its like brutalistic psychedelia
The one thing they left out that got me was how Leto taught Paul that marriage was a tool for politics. That was a big plot point, and Jessica told Chani that even though Irulan was his political wife, that the ones that were called concubine was where the Dukes heart truly lay. It would have help to not make Chani look so scorned at the end.
The only thing that sticks in my craw is the nefarious change in both Jessica and Paul, in the source material she actively tries to discourage Paul's ascension to Messiah and Paul isn't as manipulative and machiavellian. Overall though, I have the biggest nerd-gasm ever, BADASS
She tries to discourage it?? Why? Ya totally diff in movie
I don’t think Paul is manipulative u too after the water of life… unless that’s what you mean
That who's ur worm guy from the office was spot on😂
At 13:20 you mention that Harkonnen sounds Russian - in fact it seems more Finnish than anything. They are all very pale, they love knives, the Baron's medical treatment involves a sort of tar sauna etc. These are all very Finnish attributes
I think you're seriously slandaring the Finns.
You’re right. That name actually does have Finnish origins.
Sladering?
Nah, More like damn flattering imo 😅.
A small 6million people country, being one of the dominant Houses in The universe.
Slander? Nah, tho many from harkonnen are sociopathic, deviant, and just not too appealing.
Apart from those, none taken :D
Ja mä oon Suomesta:)
I agree. Finnish
I really want to believe he was inspired by finnish people because of the name harkkonen I was thinking it the whole time 👀 TORILLE!
Great video. Just saw Dune Part 2 yesterday on IMAX with my 15 year old son. For me, who have read all Frank Herbert's Dune books, this movie is both a cinematic work of art and the best sf book adaptation of all times. This is a dream come true. For my son, who does not read sf, he was totally mesmerized with the power of the story, images, characters, graphics. This shows that Denis Villeneuve has been visionary in his ambition to adapt a sf classic and making it appealing to generations of readers and non readers. I truly wish he will consider continuing on the adaptation of the remaining Dune novels, even though I understand it will be a studio / director battle difficult to win in some aspects.
4:51 that’s why I love you bro
Slight issue. Jessica, and all other Reverend Mothers only get the genetic memories of the females of their lines.
We have no fucking clue want villenue will put in messiah. He changed so much in part 2 that it’s impossible to guess what he’ll leave out or include
Right lol? I loved it but I was like so this is dune inspired…right?
I've loved this story since I was a sci-fi bookworm kid in the 70s, so I'm fully aware of the differences here. An excellent adaptation can be forgiven many things, and I do, but just as a movie fan I had to ask myself: Why is the giant battle for Arakeen primarily a knife fight?
@@PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude the biggest question I have is why does the movie act like Paul had control of the freeman? Like the send them to paradise and the landsraad not agreeing like justifies the Jihad. That’s a creative choice. I hope he explains like just as a book reader. Because he never had control of his army and the landsraad immediately like before the emperor even stepped down.
Amazing experience as a movie. And I’m the worst type of book loyalist. Like seriously annoying type but even I loved it. I had to listen to the interviews about Chani to understand. But I hope he explains why the landsraad said no. IMO it justifies the horror, or it could to some viewers.
What a chilling ending. Watching the joy on their faces after Paul tells them that. It made me and my husband both just like freeze. Great experience. Because it’s been years since we left a theater feeling that way.
@@crinklescat1871most regular people don’t care about the opinions of fanatical book readers.
@@Gubble-oq6dn then why read my long ass comment 😂😂😂
And if you’re new to the dune fandom then you’re gonna see a lot of us. Either way happy you were able to get into the dune universe, it’s awesome.
I saw this last night at the 10 pm show at the big Burbank 16 theater here and it was truly a piece of cinema to behold I mean there was moments were I had chills just because of how well the visuals and sound design & music fit. It’s of course very well acted my only criticism is the pacing at times but it’s minor and to be fair this isn’t a easy book to bring to the big screen at all. I have no idea how Denis will do Messiah but I have faith he could pull it off
Ya I didn’t love the movie completely but still had goosebumps.. strange! I AM captivated by the characters hiwveer
Haven’t seen a cinematic movie worth of the big screens in so long.. magnifico!!!!!! ❤❤❤❤
Loved the performance by Rebecca, Austin and Timothy ❤❤❤❤❤❤
@20:48. Paul, that was just too funny man LOL
“Like 2 girls, 1 cup” ah…. What?! 😂
i was lookig for this comment XD :P hahahaha
Very nicely analyzed. I agree in total. I can say that even my wife not being in SciFi at all got immersed within both Dune films. And DO SEE IT in IMAX theaters: The sound will blow you away and gives an additional dimension and feel for explosions, the massive machinery and so one. Its perfectly done and made the theater shake. Brilliant!
Spot on review HS. I absolutely loved this film. I'll definitely be going to see it again at least once more. If there's a better film out this year i'd be amazed.
I loved that the movie didn’t feel the need to show everything. After Paul kills the Barron he gives a calm order to his men… give the Barron’s body to the desert, kill the Sardaukar, and bring the prisoners. Later we get a quick shot of the body in the sand covered in ants and then the prisoners are led in to the room Paul is in. No big fight to kill the guards, no dragging the body out just move forward and let the audience fill in the blank.
i really enjoyed the first one. don't know why this one didn't really connect with me- it just never got there. but i'm glad for everyone who had a great time with it, and i still look forward to seeing what comes with the third installment.
I think it was very thematically different than the 1st and not what I was expecting. Kind of threw me off but I still really liked it. Here’s hoping a 2nd viewing improves your impression.
Seen on imax in metrocentre. Sound design was amazing. From the utter bass when they're mining spice or the worms to the sheer silence of just blades clanging during the knife fight. Amazeballs
At 9:04 what you showed was not a migration of birds, it is an activity called "murmuration". An avid bird watcher here!
Great Vid! Love the cuts and editing too. Some savage stuff in there. I 'wtf'd' out loud with the two girls 1 cup drop. Bravo dude! Probably one of the best films I've ever seen. Thanks again for the entertainment. 👌
I am still trying to parse how I feel about this movie. It's not faithful... but at the same time, it somehow is more faithful to the book than the book is. It's aggressively, succinctly, capturing the message and the story. It's changing things but I'm not sure that those absences or alterations actually hurt the story.
I'm really confused.
Make sure you’re doing your part too….Nice. Great work as always. The film blew me away. Glad to see truly cinematic epics in the theater again.
Children of Dune would be a good way to end it. Alia's journey is so tragic and the twins/Paul undo all the harm caused.
I want them to go all the way , the sisterhood just has too much latent potential it would just be leaving too much money on the table not to explore it.
The jihad is also a good excuse to explore the empire , the tleilaxu and Ixians etc
They should go as far as they can
Great comments. But if they do Dune messiah,alotta fans may be disappointed. I thought Messiah was interesting but some what of a let down. But will see.
@@justin3415they’d need to make a lot of changes imo. There is a lot of good ingredients but some needed to be added or taken out.
So with Paul being super smart, rich and all. Having all the best teachers, coming from a wealthy family. Did Frank Herbert just rip off Batman.
What the hell are you talking about that women are not seen as equal to men in the Duniverse? The Bene Gesserit is more or less the ultimate power in all of this universe. They are pulling the string behind everything. EVERYTHING. They had been in power behind the scenes for over 10,000 years. The Duniverse in not ruled by the patriarchy. Leto never married Jessica for political reasons. She was his Duchess, in all but name, and Jessica understood that. She held no animosity towards Leto for this. In the Fremen culture the Reverend Mothers were revered and held great influence. To say that this universe was controlled by the patriarchy and women have very little control over anything is ridiculous.
I don't think this guy read the books at all
Completely agree with your ending thoughts, this has made itself a place among the greatest movies ever
Film is a 10/10 definitely it'll be up there for best sequels of all time villian crushed it
They knocked this one out of the park. Movie of the year so far. Absolutely love it
Harkonnen does not sound Russuan at all. It sounds Finnish, and is Finnish.
I can't stop thinking about this movie. It was that good. I wasn't thinking first hand about comparisons too the Dark Knight, but those are completely valid. Dennis is essentially cerebral Christopher Nolan. I've loved pretty much everything he's touched since and Incendes
IMO the problem is that only adapting Messiah will end with a big cliffhanger and people would be begging for Children of Dune to see where it all goes. Again IMO the story should end with the horror of Paul's son Leto II the God Emperor himself and the actual death of Paul. That would be more of realization of the authors intent on making a story about the dangers of enlightened messianic prophetic leaders.
Dune Messiah does well Children of Dune will be greenlight that how it works
back in the day there was a fantastic movie every month now i had to wait 3years for Dune 2 with a couples of good movies in between
Outright hated what they did to Chani - took all her actual and honorable roles, took her heritage (no longer the daughter of Leet), took her son, and made her unlikeable and angry.
Gotta be honest, I’ve been watching new rockstars and screen crush for a few years now and I just recently got into your videos and have binged so many of them. You’re so fucking funny dude, thank you
Best Picture of 2024
The fact that you were able to use Creed’s worm guy clip is amazing. Good work.
I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but Frank Herbert died before officially ending this series of books. 😢
But he did write Messiah & Children of Dune, the next 2 books in the series that finish the story of Paul.
@@gmotdotyes. Maybe DV will read them one day
His son found his notes on the series ending and wrote the ending. Despite the differences in writing style, the plot and ending is fantastic
I hope they kinda rework messiah somewhat. It was interesting,but not sure the new fans and some older fans will like that book. But will see.
Superb…possibly the best true sci-fi film in the past 40 years?! The fact it’s a true part 2 is the cherry…a 5 hour film for the Sundays!
best sci fi film of all time. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool/blinded by nostalgia
@@Tonym-ey9slStar Wars I forgot episodes 1-9 plots
I guess blade runner doesn’t exist….
Paul DOESN'T BECOMES GOD EMPEROR!!!!!!!
"Make sure you are Dune your part Too" dude, you brought it back. LOL
another great breakdown from the Heavy Spoilers Team. you guys always hit home runs.
big fan, apreciate you guys. 10/10
Messiah needs to be a showtime series. Three movies for Children of Dune. Showtime series for the Golden Path.
Messiah is where the movies should and will end. Anything after that, not even Villeneuve could adapt those stories into something that would be appealing to the general audiences
The original book was in three parts, and Messiah is just part four, for the most part. Much of it was already written when the first book was released. But everything after that was obviously written because the publisher wanted to sell more books. I can't imagine God Emperor being made into anything anyone would want to watch. Hell, I couldn't even finish reading the book. I barely finished Children. I loved the first two books, but things went seriously off the rails after that.
Herbert conceived of Dune / DM and CoD as a complete cycle loosely based on classic Greek tragic trilogy the Oresteia by Aeschylus. The Oresteia is a sequence about the rise and fall of a great King and how his children pick up the pieces of the kingdom after. The Oresteia follows the ancient Greek heroic House of "Atreus" and deals with issues of revenge, vendetta and fate.
@@charlesajones77 "everything after that was obviously written because the publisher wanted to sell more books" lol No. Just because you couldn't finish it doesn't make Herbert an opportunistic hack. "I finally just took out my ideas about how long it "should" be. I started building from the back. Where does it have to go? So parts of Children of Dune and Dune Messiah were already written before I completed Dune." - Frank Herbert "The Sparks Have Flown" from The Maker of Dune - Insights of a Master of Science Fiction.
A tv show wouldn’t do the golden path justice
Follow your Messiah Paul😅; best meta joke ever
Kinda concerned after the ending. Having Chani in opposition to Paul is totally different.
Book Chani would never do that - she trusts him
It’ll be resolved; Paul saw the future. It’s a natural reaction to watching Paul lose himself and become that which he feared.
She basically won't come back.
@@kanaric She will. He already saw that she will. It's why though it hurts him he is mostly unconcerned.
7:14 This edit had me so surprised LMFAO keep up the good work
9:42 Give these editors a raise 🤣
I don't like them changing the fact that Paul only used the nukes on the Shield Wall, not the Harkonnens, and certainly not the Spice. He was going to use changed Water of Life on a Pre-Spice mass to disrupt the cycle. He skirted the law but very purposely didn't break it.
Chani was just as happy to be concubine as Jessica was and encouraged the marriage to Irulan. She knew just how to keep her in her place anyway. It feels like they took that agency away from her. Chani was a total BAMF and sister wives were an acceptable practice in the Fremen culture.
I'm confused on how the timeline is going to go if Alia wasn't born by the end, it takes 2 years for Muad'Dib to be ready to take over the Empire. He has to have time to teach the Fremen the Weirding way.
It's so weird the things they change for what seems like no reason and ends up changing a lot of the story.
In the book, the Butlerian Jihad wasn’t between man and machines. It was against men who used machines to enslave the rest of humanity. The “Terminator” crap was Kevin J Anderson fanfic.
This is the first movie for me for the LONGEST time that I can't wait to go see again, on an even bigger screen
Those scenes shot in infrared were amazing.
The black and white scenes were so cool it’s like they took the shot where holdo jumped to lightspeed and destroyed snokes fleet in Star Wars, but made it a 10 minute sequence.
I just watched it finally in theaters and holy crap!!! I wanna take my dad to see it. Definitely worth seeing multiple times
Oh Paul. Great video, as per usual. I really could have done without that "two girls..." Reference. I had horrific PTSD-like flashbacks of the first, and only, time I saw it. 🤢 I had just gotten those visions out of my head but you just had to bring em back, didn't you? But seriously, great breakdown. My dad and I saw this yesterday and he said it was the best thing he's seen in a while, and I quite agree.
There were moments in this movie that may have been the most immersive movie experience I've ever had. There's a part where _I_ felt like _I_ was riding the sandworm. The cinematography is just crazy
Been waiting for this drop like I used to wait for Santa Clause. Brilliant movie
Agreed
hope you enjoy it
Finally the only review I cared to see! Paul's the man!
Paul...and Paul....theory time....
Saying women have no power in Dune is flat out incorrect. Bene Gesserit seem to be more powerful than swords. What you are actually saying is they don't have the same power men do.
He doesn't understand Dune lore. The Benes have a balance power with the rest of the Imperium, it plays off the ying & yang balance of life philosophy, they used their wombs as weapons for political control as the men with swords & force fields, It's thoughtfully masterful.
3:30 he never says “women have no power Dune”
They lose all their power once the god emperor comes to be
Actually, the reason he’s able to defeat Jami’s so easily is because he saw the fight in his premonitions. they probably didn’t make that very clear because they kept showing his death which was also trying to build up tension for the viewer cause nobody wants to film when everything is figured out beforehand
Yeah saw this last night. Dune 2 is Fantastic. Hope we get to see a 3rd Movie in this Franchise.
Shame Villeneuve is stopping at Dune: Messiah as I felt that book was quite weak compared to Dune. But considering how weird it gets I can see why he made that choice.
I would've finished with Children of Dune. The sins of the Father are undone by the children.
@@ethancoster1324True Leto II is the Messiah, although the golden path is something he strives for, he kinda stumbles, but eventually it all turns out the best for humanity. Kinda the point. Atreides! Atreides! Atreides!
Apparently the books get super religious? The ones after messiah
Paul killing Jammis was a good forshadowing into his character as a young man. There a side of him like his father, who first thinks and acts out of kindness and mercy.... But then theres a scared little boy who is hungry for control that took over when he was being peer pressured..... 😂 Great foreshadowing
Paul : Breathe
Stilgar : as it's written in the proficiency
loved how stilgar believed in paul since day one :')
Paul was actually VERY careful with his atomics to placate the Landsraad; he used the weapons against a terrain feature not against the sardukar.