It makes me so sad to think that we could have something as good as this as opposed to what Amazon upchucked on the screen. There are people who truly 'get' Tolkien's work, and I'm glad. Thank you for all your hard work, Dave. I appreciate you and what you do!
You really need to carry this to an animation studio and have this made! No amount of money should stop you, kickstarter will get you everything you could need, I know it in my heart! The reason I say an animation studio is because you could have this animated correctly and wouldn't be confined by live action problems. This would be GLORIOUS!!!
I believe Amazon's money would certainly stop it. They unfortunately own the rights to everything he tells. And the Tolkien estate would own the rest. Unless you can crowd fund another 250 million for unfinished tales and simirillian we're stuck living in these dark days of Amazon
Thank you, Rainbow Dave. This is what Tolkien is all about: not the visuals, not the flashy action scenes, not the high budgets or costumes or any of that. His works were all about the heart of story telling and the ability to tell that story through the birth of language and brand new cultures. A secondary world, familiar enough, but also so other-worldly that it stirs up inspiration and hope in this one. Thank you again for all the hard work that you do and for all your passion and enthusiasm that you pour into it.
I'll make it a mission to share this with everyone I know. Just to show what's possible if you combine passion with skill and lore. This series is like a beacon of hope for us tolkien fans. Thank you, Dave. It's one thing to complain but an entirely different beast to offer will thought out alternatives such as this. "the beacons are lit!" 🌞 🎶
Dear Dave, When you say 'the Second Age pretty much adapts itself', you are seriously underestimating your own incredible storytelling talent. And I for one am very grateful you are putting it to such good use. In fact, waiting for this video (well worth it btw) I rewatched your previous adaptations 4 or 5 times. They did not get boring, because you so deeply understand what makes Tolkien's stories tick, even after almost a century. I do wonder: how do you research your videos? And which editions do you prefer to read/use? I am in your debt, good sir.
The death of Tar Miriel sounds like such a powerful scene, the way you described it is so beautiful yet so tragic. Truly a bittersweet ending to the last true ruler of numenor
It is mythology at it's best. Not Amazon's butchery. It's a tale of corruption,evil, sadness courage and hope. I hope to God that Hollywood or some streaming service never gets their hands on the children of Hurin.
Sir this is just amazing. Thank you for "creating" an amazing Adaptation. I am in awe & speechless at the Tar Miriel story line. Imagine on screen Cynthia Adai everyday watching some of her citizens cruelly sacrificed for Sauron but having to hide her emotions because of the bigger plan to save what's still pure & good of Numenor (Elendil, Isildur & the faithful). Then at the end accepting her fate that in order for the faithful to have a future, she can't leave Numenor, but has to die with it. In this instance she chooses to sacrifice herself (almost in honor of those who couldn't make that choice) only for Eru lluvator to redeem her broken spirit before her lifeless body is consumed by fire & water. And for Sauron to watch helplessly as his most hated foe is redeemed while his body & spirit is forever broken is such an amazing juxtaposition. Then that Aragon (crowning) song being sang by Elendil on the shores of middle Earth....Just breathtaking to imagine. Thank you so so much. I wait with baited breath for Season 5.
I have watched every one of your videos in the last week and I am so incredibly grateful for how talented you are. You are an incredible storyteller, and you bring The Professors world to life in ways that none of the movies have ever done. I listened to each one of these videos in order with my headphones on, and my eyes closed and I could see every aspect of your story. I genuinely can not wait to see what you do in the future. From one ginger to another, thank you for all of your hard work. The Professor would be so proud of your understanding of his world. I'm in awe.
@@bobdavis7290 That in no way takes away from anything I just said. In fact, kudos to him even moreso for being able to make money from something he has a genuine interest in. I'm not sure what your point was?
@@GingerRose25 The point is that he's taking his "genuine interest," to a youtube channel to get paid. Translation: profit motive. Plenty of people have a genuine interest in many things and don't upload to a video sharing site because the only reason one would do so, is to get paid and that's my point. It's like two poeple having sex. The only reason anyone would film the event then upload and distribute it to whatever viewing audience/market, would be get paid.
@@bobdavis7290 there's no inherent contradiction between having a genuine interest and passion and marketing to get paid. The two often go together. An interest in art doesn't preclude an interest in money, although the latter can diminish the former. People in the arts more or less directly still have to pay the bills even if they are not motivated by money
This had me tearing up at the end. Like you said, Tolkien’s themes (and your interpretation of them from a literary to a cinematic medium) are so powerful and deeply touching. Who among us hasn’t struggled with the desire for deathlessness? And the way Tar-Muriel’s death mirrors that of Elros? Poetic and heartbreaking.
This had me so hooked I didn’t even realize I was up until 2 in the morning listening to the end. I am in love with your passion and love for Tolkien and his writings. You’ve quickly become my favorite UA-camr, I’m learning so much in such an enjoyable way from you. I’m showing this to everyone I know, thank you for being you and giving us the gift of your appreciation, knowledge and beautiful talent. I’m moved to tears by you.
Thank you so much for adding in the redemption of Tar-Miriel. I wrote a fanfic some years ago that also had Miriel accept what happened, make the climb up to Meneltarma as Numenor was being destroyed around her, beg for forgiveness and plea for the safety of the faithful on the ships. Oh, yes, I had the Eagles come and circle her in acceptance of her pleas. Because the Eagles would always come when sincere pleas were made to Iluvatar on the mountaintop.
So in the end, the sad story of Númenor is about accepting the gift of death. There are two things given to us humans: we are born, and we will die. How and when, nobody knows. It really only matters what we do with our time between. I always admired my grandmother. She said "it is enough" at a rather high age (92 years) She survived two World Wars, and basically ensured that I was at a good place when she decided to leave (she basically stopped eating and taking her medicine). Within three months from being rather fit to entirely weak and frail, she left us for a better place.
This is a spectacular video, part of a glorious series. I saw the notification and couldn’t click fast enough. Perhaps one day we shall see something of this caliber adapted. Thank you for all the work you put into this effort.
WOW! I am a super casual, I’ve seen the whole first season. This sounds amazing! This series you’ve made has to go viral so hopefully the people that can will bring you on board. I might have to save all this because this paints a much clearer picture of the events Amazon is attempting to portray.
It was a little wait, but a worthwhile one at that - this video was truly amazing, how you can adapt Tolkien's mythology in such a compelling way, and fit invented storylines so seamlessly! I applaud you for your dedication to this craft. One very small visual detail I would add is at the time Elendil's ships of the Faithful are blown by the wind and scattered, the screen sort of pans out slightly, to where we can see extremely far away lands like the frozen north of middle earth or the jungles south. Then these lands would sort of "sink" below the horizon, referencing Illuvatar making Arda round.
Amandil is mentioned in LotR: "In the days of Tar-Elendil the first ships of the Númenóreans came back to Middle-earth. His elder child was a daughter, Silmariën. Her son was Valandil, first of the Lords of Andúnië in the west of the land, renowned for their friendship with the Eldar. From him were descended Amandil, the last lord, and his son Elendil the Tall." App. A
@@saar144 No. Tar-Elendil is Quenya, and Tar was used as the royal prefix at the time of Tar-Elendil. The change to using Adunaic would not come for ca 2000 years.
This was great! One day I would like to see you make “The Fall of Arnor” like this. It’s strange because Arnor would have everything that the writers wanted: hobbits, elves, humans, different locations…
Dave, man you sir are a master of Tolkien’s work. Could only wish the Tolkien estate cared as much as you for the professors work. We’d have a much better adaption and far richer story. Money can’t solve story telling, only passion, love and commitment to the original work will promise a great show. Hats of too you good Sir. Phenomenal video series!!!
This is EXACTLY what I was talking about in my last comment! This is absolutely perfect! This is the Second Age story we should have been presented, rather than the smoldering pile of trash Amazon created.
I absolutely love your excellent adaptation of the Downfall of Numenor, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks so much for your efforts Dave, they are so appreciated by lovers of Tolkien and his beloved Legendarium. You demonstrate so splendidly how the ROP could have stayed true to Tolkien's lore and create a show worth watching. Looking forward to your take on Season 5.
I love the contrast of Pharazon and Elendil, one landing on the west, the other landing on Middle earth, one claiming what is not his, the other accepting the decree of Eru; one voicing his challenge in Adunaic, the other singing his resolution in Quenya. Elendil should sing with resolve, slow but strong, and his voice should bring Gilgalad and Cirdan in wonder walking toward him, and when he says “Ten Ambar metta” he should look up, and meet Gilgalad’s eyes, and the high king should extend his hand, and Elendil they could clasp hands; the last shot of the episode.
Okay this had all the emotional weight and shivers that the story is supposed to have, and bro, the singing might not have been recorded in a music studio but it sounded good, and more importantly, it had me quietly screaming into my hand. Simply with words and tone of voice you managed to achieve the emotions Amazon wasn't. You are a treasure and I hope you're hired to help adapt Tolkien's works.
I am loving these videos so much! You have put so much thought into them. The bit at the end of this season - the song at the end as the men meet the elves is such a beautiful moment - gave me chills! Especially as now with the movies it brings Aragorn to mind, as well as everything else. Makes it all so rich and beautiful. Thank you!
i already left a comment halfway through the vid.. but i couldn't help myself to write another now thts finished... u had me crying at the end Dave this so beautifully well written, its brilliant.. how u put alp the pieces together.. how u have not strayed away from the source material from our beloved tolkien... i cant express to u how happy it makes me knowing there r ppl like u in this world❤️may the grace of the valar be upon you❤️
My god, this season was a WILD ride! I can't wait until season 5 comes out. Oh wait, it already is and I'm going to binge it. And your singing was utterly haunting and beautiful. It reminded me of when Aragorn sang about Luthien and Frodo overheard it. That was truly amazing, my friend. Wait....season 5 ISNT out yet?! Oh no 😭😭
Dear Dave, I have commented on your vids many times now. Always positively, sometimes superlatively. Here however, you have reached your peak (so far). Amazing how you have grown as a storyteller. Listened to this ten times now or so, discovering new depths with every listen. Much like when I read Tolkien. In fact, I'd go as far as to say I think the great man himself would probably approve of your version. And that is truly the biggest compliment one can receive. I love you man. Please drive carefully. My life would be poorer without you!
I almost cried in the end when you sang Elendil's song and also at the death of Tar-Míriel. It's hard to not be disappointed with Amazon's adaptation:(
I believe you must be at least a quarter Tolkien. How else can we explain your unmatched talent for rewriting and creating alternate stories. Whatever it is , may you exist ny friend. May you exist❤️
I have been enjoying your content for some time now and each time I agree with those who say "we needed YOU to write for the series!" Keep doing what you're doing because you and those like you are like the trees who were saved.
This has been a fantastic experience so far, and it really feels as though I've experienced this nonexistent show in a way. But when you busted out Elendil's Quenyan song, and made the comment that someone should sing it better... don't sell yourself short my man, that was beautiful
WOW Mr Dave this was AWESOME!!! The running time put me off so I didn't click on it but I finally gave in and O MY GODDDD I was fully missin out the whole time!! This was like the best entertainment I've had in MONTHS. ❤💛💚💙💜
Btw, regarding the first season, I had an idea: it would be cool to develop the story of Elrond and Celebrian. I know that in the lore they first meet at Rivendell after the war, but for the sake of developing their character I think they should meet in Lindon or at the lake near the Shire. Then, through the season they can think of eachother. Celebrian being full of life and energetic, while Elrond is more "insecure" (at this stage), a bit melancholic but of course always kind. Then, when their roads divide, Celebrian meets a young man among the Midde men (Bree), and develops an affection to him, only to find out he is dead, when the 300 years time jump occurs (circa year 1500), to develop the theme of death and deathlesness. At the end of the second season, Elrond and Celebrian meet again in Imladris and understand that their characters complete eachother and in this time of destruction love is needed.
They don't technically have to *meet* for this to work. They can exchange glances in the passing and hear a lot about each other, already having a face to place those snippets of information to. Then their meeting would make for a scene like in the legends, their whole lives, the world itself pushing them towards their destiny, and them realizing they have never been whole but never knew what exactly what they missed. Also, a fancy taken to a human would play to the theme of Elrond being the timeless sibling, and Celebrian being a part of his world, humans passing, but living on in different ways. Reversed when Arwen makes the opposite choice. (Yea, I'm reading too much into this, I love a solid drama, and I also think that a love story destined to happen (and having a happy ending) would gain interest of femine part of the audience. We know they will get together, so I think pointlessly focusing on "if" destroys a lot of prequels. "When" and "how" are much more interesting. And not focusing on their love arc would be a missed chance since a)Galadriel, Elrond and Arwen are big, recognizable parts of the brand and franchise, so not hyping it up would be missing a chance ; and b) they are important part of the story, gluing all of this together up to already established LotR, and will be constant presence in the tale anyway. Not milking it a bit for a bigger, more emotional payoff would really disappointing.)
@@PLKinka yup, I agree, I know of people just hearing about a person and falling in love with her, even if they never met her. But, on the other hand, we have go find something to do to our man Elrond, who is just hanging out in Lindon the entire season. In ROP they put him in the Khazad-dum story, but if we stay canonical we should think of something else. Do you have some idea?
I should have thank you long ago for everything that you've been doing. That's just amazing! 💗 I hope some day I'll have a pleasure to read it as a fan fiction, or maybe some true fan of Tolkien will buy all the rights (including yours) and make a series of our dream
I've loved this entire series, and this "season" in particular was truly epic. I got all the thrills and emotions just listening to you describe these episodes that I wish the actual show gave me. I eagerly await season five!
This entire series has been absolutely EPIC. Thank you so much for putting in so much work to bring this to life. This is truly the show that the Second Age deserved.
I cannot but feel, despite the objective greatness of all his other work, The Downfall of Numenor was the tale the Professor was truly born to tell us. Thank you for doing it justice, Dave.
Thank you for all your hard work Rainbow Dave! This is a beautiful work of art! This video made me laugh and cry and cheer and gave me goosebumps! I say you are a true bard!
Happy Sunday! I really do appreciate the respect you have for your audience and the care you put into every episode. Unlike the show this isn’t just content it’s love in video form. Most channels and shows treat us like we’re mindless consumers.
1:39:40 “Hardens his heart” is exactly the right phrase. I never made the connection before, but perhaps it is no coincidence that Pharazon sounds a lot like Pharaoh, because their attitudes sure are similar
I think that not many people recognize the significance of the fact that Elendil, and therefore Isildur, and later Aragorn, are the firstborn descendants of Elros Tar Minyatur, and so it’s fitting that the line continues through them.
Simply amazing! I teared up as you narrated the ending of Numenor and the closing scenes of "Season 3." You have done complete justice to Tolkien's vision. Master storytellers, both of you.
OMG!! Rainbow Dave! Amazon should hire you instantly. I found myself going thru so many emotions listening and envisioning your made-for-the-screen version of the 2nd Age. And can't wait to get to the next section. Your love of Tolkien's work comes thru and is passed on to us, your avid listeners. I have The Silmarillion. Bought it 10+ years ago. Haven't had the luxury of time to read it. So I bought the Audible version also. And while that is a good read, it lulls me to sleep and that's not an option when I'm driving. So I find myself coming back to your videos, over and over. Some I've watched more than once. You're such a gift to Tolkien's work, for you share it with such passion, love and dedication that one can't help but be hooked by such a great mythology. While I fear during my lifetime there may not be a version(s) of The Silmarillion (which I LOVE so much, thanks to you), in the screens, I hope it is made one day and you're hired as the lead writer. Thank you for all your hard work. 👍
I think many Men's desire for deathlessness is somewhat similar but still much different to some of the Elves' desire for ruling - i.e. Galadriel for a time. Elves were immortal and perhaps some of those who had made the journey to Valinor became bored of perfection. Feanor for example achieved perfection through the Silmarils, but he was still uneasy and restless in what is pretty much heaven. Not only did he became obsessed with his creation, but he was very firm in wanting to be the crown prince of the Noldor and saw his halfbrothers as a threat. Later on Turgon grew contempt and decided to seclude himself and his people in Gondolin against Ulmo's initial advice and after his warning was delivered by Tuor. I mean it's understandable for him to go back into hiding after the disastrous defeat in the Nirnaeth, but I guess he grew very accustomed to living and ruling in the safety of his lavish city kingdom instead of following up on Ulmo's warning and heading out into the perilous outside world. I think this can also apply to Thranduil to some extent, who became more and more reclusive in order to hold on to his ever shrinking kingdom. Although I could be way off 😅
I've just found your channel and yes YES, after.seeing thr disastrous 1st season and only 3 episodes into the 2nd, I get the distinct feeling that you spinning YOUR yarn here for ALL the seasons, will end up being far, FAR better! Thank you! Can't wait to see your spin in the last season! 😀✌️
@tolkienuntangled - Thank you Dave. Years ago, I made an attempt to learn Quenya but didn't quire make it. How do you say "Thank you " or however the elves would've expressed it? 😊✌️
Thank you for all your adaptation videos (Second Age Seasons 1-4). It is a breath of fresh air after searching the web for alternative interpretation to the RoP TV show. Echoing many commenters, you have demonstrated quite well that excellent adaptations using the same source material is possible, without the need for a billion dollars, but with true talent, respect and genuine appreciation for Tolkien’s work. Annon allen :)
As a huge Tolkien fan who is actually enjoying the Amazon series quite a bit, there are parts of your outline (can we call it that?) that definitely gave me chills. I think I actually teared up a bit when you described the death of Miriel.
Hope the other UA-cam tolkien experts know about your ROP seasons, I have listened to all seasons back to back its like an audio book in my head and can imagine every scene, hope an amazon official could come across it and c how easy it could of been.
Rainbow Dave, what a legend, love all your videos and your singing is better than you think. Ive had the calculator out and can officially tell you this video series is exactly 4.6billion times better than the atrocity amazon has made
You do such an amazing job of telling the stories Tolkien wrote. It's one thing to read them. But when told with passion and skill as you do it brings them to life. Thank You!
Having watched through the entire 1st season of RoP and now having seen these hypothetical propositions of what could have been...I'm not even angry anymore...I'm saddened by this juxtaposition that emphasizes just how wasteful Amazon was with all the money and license to create the absolute pinnacle of Tolkeinian storytelling immortalized in living color and yet...they fell so far short of the mark. THIS is the adaptation we all deserved! Casual Tolkein fans, Loremasters and newcomers alike. I felt genuinely enveloped by your narration of the story and wildly impressed by your creative navigation of the lore. The deep thematic undertones, sensible plot devices, adherence to the rich history and excellent delivery was all just superb. Yet the most mind-blowing part of it all is how a trillion dollar media giant with a billion dollar budget couldn't even get CLOSE to this compelling masterpiece. Well done.
i am speechless. thank you so much for putting so much effort in these videos and i do hope you know that the way you tell this story is wonderful and i admire your enthusiasm and you do have a pretty voice too and your singing is great! and i can't wait for season five!
This was wonderful Dave. Sauron's world sounds literally like St Bellermine's treaties on hell. Its a small booklet I read many years ago. Hot very hot, and cold icy cold. I also love ur accent and am trying to picture what u look like. Yet, I guess for me, not knowing is part of enjoying your storytelling so much! Looking forward to ur next adaptation!
Sounds well thought out, planned, & respectful to the source material & the author. Your planning reminds me of Babylon 5 - the entire show was planned before any of it was shot - and it shows (especially on rewatch). I would certainly watch your version & likely buy merch. (My family haven't watched ROP and don't intend to). Upon further thought (and after completing the video) I love the fact that, yes this follows the movies, and yet it precedes it. And the whole time it vastly overshadows the events of LOTR - as Tolkien intended. It also solves the problem of prequels overshadowing / outshining the media that came before but chronologically happened later. I honestly believe that your version would have been a HUGE success.
I obviously don't know your life. Stephen Colbert, the host of The Late Show on CBS, in America, is a renowned Tolkien fan. I honestly think that you could beat him, knowledge-wise. And your sense of keeping it true to Tolkien is just clearly a passion project. Your heart comes thru, man, and it's why I watch ALL of your stuff
I do not like audio books all that much. But boy do I listen to your adaptations with such joy! Can I say that I particularly love Miriel's story? Beautiful, just beautiful. Thank you so much for your efforts!
That Fair-Guise-Sauron, trusted advisor to Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, King of Númenor, called in sick the day Ar-Pharazôn's fleet of ships headed off to invade Valinor has always been the funniest thing in all of the Tolkien legendarium. Like, you could just see him slowly sliding out of the frame of the shot. *cough, cough* My apologies, my King Ar-Pharazôn. I… *cough, cough*... I don't think I can make such a long sea journey. I really really really wish I could. Really. A blind man could see the invasion of Valinor was going to be a shitshow for the Númenorians. 😂
Man this was so great. Amazon are fools for not hiring you to do the ROP writing. What they did is a disgrace to put it lightly. This is so well thought out. The explanation of not only what rights are used but also character and timeline explanations make this much easier to follow and because I know you are a Tolkien lore master I don’t question your true intent which I think mirrors most of us Tolkien enthusiasts and reflects our shared interest in staying true to the work. It has been a great experience. Thank you I appreciate it 👍👍
Wow! Tears to my eyes! Beautiful! Thanks for sharing this. It is a consolation. (I stopped to watch the series at ep. 3. No hard feelings to me, but that is just not for me. But it is a little frustrating, so, in this sense, consolation.) I'm looking forward to season 5.
OUTSTANDING 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Great storytelling. The parts that needed to be fleshed out were faithful to Tolkien, had purpose in the greater story, and creative. and the singing was definitely above average lol
I teared up when Miriel died…what an amazing show we could have gotten if people like yourself were given the resources. Such a shame. I have so many ideas to build on what you wrote. Wonderful job!
Someone send this to the Amazon writers' room so they can learn how to actually craft a powerful woman. Soroniel is clearly a total badass, and Miriel - Zimraphael is regal and sympathetic (and I think the actual Miriel actress could be phenomenal playing this version of her character). I am literally crying at the end you gave her. Damn... And a Harad story would be the absolute best thing ever.
@@DragonoidBerserker1 Yeah like the one of Aragorn in the search for Gollum and Beren and Luthien, they're great fan made films and way better than Amazon's trash!
It makes me so sad to think that we could have something as good as this as opposed to what Amazon upchucked on the screen. There are people who truly 'get' Tolkien's work, and I'm glad. Thank you for all your hard work, Dave. I appreciate you and what you do!
You really need to carry this to an animation studio and have this made! No amount of money should stop you, kickstarter will get you everything you could need, I know it in my heart! The reason I say an animation studio is because you could have this animated correctly and wouldn't be confined by live action problems. This would be GLORIOUS!!!
1000% agree with you on this! I think a Tolkien anime would be absolutely EPIC! I think it would be better than live action
Crowdfunding and releasing it for free could destroy copyright forever 😊
I’d kick in for that.
I would back this!!!
I believe Amazon's money would certainly stop it. They unfortunately own the rights to everything he tells. And the Tolkien estate would own the rest. Unless you can crowd fund another 250 million for unfinished tales and simirillian we're stuck living in these dark days of Amazon
Thank you, Rainbow Dave. This is what Tolkien is all about: not the visuals, not the flashy action scenes, not the high budgets or costumes or any of that. His works were all about the heart of story telling and the ability to tell that story through the birth of language and brand new cultures. A secondary world, familiar enough, but also so other-worldly that it stirs up inspiration and hope in this one. Thank you again for all the hard work that you do and for all your passion and enthusiasm that you pour into it.
I'll make it a mission to share this with everyone I know. Just to show what's possible if you combine passion with skill and lore.
This series is like a beacon of hope for us tolkien fans.
Thank you, Dave.
It's one thing to complain but an entirely different beast to offer will thought out alternatives such as this.
"the beacons are lit!" 🌞 🎶
like they would even listen....they think people who dont like the show are "patently evil" racist and sexist
Dear Dave,
When you say 'the Second Age pretty much adapts itself', you are seriously underestimating your own incredible storytelling talent. And I for one am very grateful you are putting it to such good use.
In fact, waiting for this video (well worth it btw) I rewatched your previous adaptations 4 or 5 times. They did not get boring, because you so deeply understand what makes Tolkien's stories tick, even after almost a century.
I do wonder: how do you research your videos? And which editions do you prefer to read/use?
I am in your debt, good sir.
When you see a pro ice skater do a triple lutz that''s easy !
I literally get gosebumbs when you sang the oath of Elendil just like when Viggo Mortensen sang it... this was really Tolkienian...
I was teary-eyed when you were describing how you imagine Muriel's death while Numenor is being destroyed. I love this!!!
The death of Tar Miriel sounds like such a powerful scene, the way you described it is so beautiful yet so tragic. Truly a bittersweet ending to the last true ruler of numenor
It is mythology at it's best. Not Amazon's butchery. It's a tale of corruption,evil, sadness courage and hope. I hope to God that Hollywood or some streaming service never gets their hands on the children of Hurin.
bob schneider as Turin Turambar
This could genuinely be the greatest show ever made. Well done.
I am glad this true adaptation of Rings of Power exists that I can enjoy in the theatre of my mind.
Sir this is just amazing. Thank you for "creating" an amazing Adaptation. I am in awe & speechless at the Tar Miriel story line. Imagine on screen Cynthia Adai everyday watching some of her citizens cruelly sacrificed for Sauron but having to hide her emotions because of the bigger plan to save what's still pure & good of Numenor (Elendil, Isildur & the faithful).
Then at the end accepting her fate that in order for the faithful to have a future, she can't leave Numenor, but has to die with it. In this instance she chooses to sacrifice herself (almost in honor of those who couldn't make that choice) only for Eru lluvator to redeem her broken spirit before her lifeless body is consumed by fire & water. And for Sauron to watch helplessly as his most hated foe is redeemed while his body & spirit is forever broken is such an amazing juxtaposition.
Then that Aragon (crowning) song being sang by Elendil on the shores of middle Earth....Just breathtaking to imagine.
Thank you so so much. I wait with baited breath for Season 5.
I have watched every one of your videos in the last week and I am so incredibly grateful for how talented you are. You are an incredible storyteller, and you bring The Professors world to life in ways that none of the movies have ever done. I listened to each one of these videos in order with my headphones on, and my eyes closed and I could see every aspect of your story. I genuinely can not wait to see what you do in the future. From one ginger to another, thank you for all of your hard work. The Professor would be so proud of your understanding of his world. I'm in awe.
Thanks so much!
uh, girl, the guy's doing a youtube channel to get paid.
@@bobdavis7290 That in no way takes away from anything I just said. In fact, kudos to him even moreso for being able to make money from something he has a genuine interest in. I'm not sure what your point was?
@@GingerRose25 The point is that he's taking his "genuine interest," to a youtube channel to get paid. Translation: profit motive. Plenty of people have a genuine interest in many things and don't upload to a video sharing site because the only reason one would do so, is to get paid and that's my point. It's like two poeple having sex. The only reason anyone would film the event then upload and distribute it to whatever viewing audience/market, would be get paid.
@@bobdavis7290 there's no inherent contradiction between having a genuine interest and passion and marketing to get paid. The two often go together. An interest in art doesn't preclude an interest in money, although the latter can diminish the former. People in the arts more or less directly still have to pay the bills even if they are not motivated by money
This had me tearing up at the end. Like you said, Tolkien’s themes (and your interpretation of them from a literary to a cinematic medium) are so powerful and deeply touching. Who among us hasn’t struggled with the desire for deathlessness? And the way Tar-Muriel’s death mirrors that of Elros? Poetic and heartbreaking.
This had me so hooked I didn’t even realize I was up until 2 in the morning listening to the end. I am in love with your passion and love for Tolkien and his writings. You’ve quickly become my favorite UA-camr, I’m learning so much in such an enjoyable way from you. I’m showing this to everyone I know, thank you for being you and giving us the gift of your appreciation, knowledge and beautiful talent. I’m moved to tears by you.
Thanks for your feedback! I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you so much for adding in the redemption of Tar-Miriel. I wrote a fanfic some years ago that also had Miriel accept what happened, make the climb up to Meneltarma as Numenor was being destroyed around her, beg for forgiveness and plea for the safety of the faithful on the ships. Oh, yes, I had the Eagles come and circle her in acceptance of her pleas. Because the Eagles would always come when sincere pleas were made to Iluvatar on the mountaintop.
So in the end, the sad story of Númenor is about accepting the gift of death. There are two things given to us humans: we are born, and we will die. How and when, nobody knows. It really only matters what we do with our time between. I always admired my grandmother. She said "it is enough" at a rather high age (92 years) She survived two World Wars, and basically ensured that I was at a good place when she decided to leave (she basically stopped eating and taking her medicine). Within three months from being rather fit to entirely weak and frail, she left us for a better place.
This is a spectacular video, part of a glorious series. I saw the notification and couldn’t click fast enough.
Perhaps one day we shall see something of this caliber adapted.
Thank you for all the work you put into this effort.
But what about Deez?
@@JEMurl ?
For the love of all that is decent, please don’t make a Deez Nuts joke
WOW! I am a super casual, I’ve seen the whole first season. This sounds amazing! This series you’ve made has to go viral so hopefully the people that can will bring you on board. I might have to save all this because this paints a much clearer picture of the events Amazon is attempting to portray.
Love the way Dave pronounces Numenor correctly with the trilled R without it sounding super exaggerated like the characters in RoP!
The actress who plays Galadrial pronounces it correctly because she's Welsh. I haven't heard it pronounced incorrectly at all.
It was a little wait, but a worthwhile one at that - this video was truly amazing, how you can adapt Tolkien's mythology in such a compelling way, and fit invented storylines so seamlessly! I applaud you for your dedication to this craft.
One very small visual detail I would add is at the time Elendil's ships of the Faithful are blown by the wind and scattered, the screen sort of pans out slightly, to where we can see extremely far away lands like the frozen north of middle earth or the jungles south. Then these lands would sort of "sink" below the horizon, referencing Illuvatar making Arda round.
Amandil is mentioned in LotR:
"In the days of Tar-Elendil the first ships of the Númenóreans came back to Middle-earth. His elder child was a daughter, Silmariën. Her son was Valandil, first of the Lords of Andúnië in the west of the land, renowned for their friendship with the Eldar. From him were descended Amandil, the last lord, and his son Elendil the Tall."
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״Tar-Elendil”? Shouldn’t it be Ar-Elendil?
@@saar144 No. Tar-Elendil is Quenya, and Tar was used as the royal prefix at the time of Tar-Elendil. The change to using Adunaic would not come for ca 2000 years.
Amandil’s journey West is not mentioned in LOTR though, so Amazon does not have the rights to include that part of his story.
This was great! One day I would like to see you make “The Fall of Arnor” like this. It’s strange because Arnor would have everything that the writers wanted: hobbits, elves, humans, different locations…
These videos are healing a recent hurt!
I just wanted to say u are doing an amazing job and thank you for the content it is amazing!
Dave, man you sir are a master of Tolkien’s work. Could only wish the Tolkien estate cared as much as you for the professors work. We’d have a much better adaption and far richer story. Money can’t solve story telling, only passion, love and commitment to the original work will promise a great show. Hats of too you good Sir. Phenomenal video series!!!
This is EXACTLY what I was talking about in my last comment! This is absolutely perfect! This is the Second Age story we should have been presented, rather than the smoldering pile of trash Amazon created.
I absolutely love your excellent adaptation of the Downfall of Numenor, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks so much for your efforts Dave, they are so appreciated by lovers of Tolkien and his beloved Legendarium. You demonstrate so splendidly how the ROP could have stayed true to Tolkien's lore and create a show worth watching. Looking forward to your take on Season 5.
Amazon should hire you to write the show.
They don’t deserve him especially after what they’ve done with show
Oh be quiet, the show isn't boring
except for small details it’s mostly boring
Writing a shows plot and writing its dialog is totally different.
Not to discredit him. He knows his shit.
@@Tangerator Yet, both are debased in Amazons ROP. Rainbow Dave presented a solid Plot that will lend itself to the Dialog. Peace.
The line “there is an exception. Rather, there are Nine exceptions” literally made me laugh maniacally. This is masterfully done.
I love the contrast of Pharazon and Elendil, one landing on the west, the other landing on Middle earth, one claiming what is not his, the other accepting the decree of Eru; one voicing his challenge in Adunaic, the other singing his resolution in Quenya. Elendil should sing with resolve, slow but strong, and his voice should bring Gilgalad and Cirdan in wonder walking toward him, and when he says “Ten Ambar metta” he should look up, and meet Gilgalad’s eyes, and the high king should extend his hand, and Elendil they could clasp hands; the last shot of the episode.
Hearing and Imagining this song adapted in this final scene brought tears to my eyes.
Okay this had all the emotional weight and shivers that the story is supposed to have, and bro, the singing might not have been recorded in a music studio but it sounded good, and more importantly, it had me quietly screaming into my hand. Simply with words and tone of voice you managed to achieve the emotions Amazon wasn't. You are a treasure and I hope you're hired to help adapt Tolkien's works.
I am loving these videos so much! You have put so much thought into them.
The bit at the end of this season - the song at the end as the men meet the elves is such a beautiful moment - gave me chills! Especially as now with the movies it brings Aragorn to mind, as well as everything else. Makes it all so rich and beautiful. Thank you!
i already left a comment halfway through the vid.. but i couldn't help myself to write another now thts finished... u had me crying at the end Dave this so beautifully well written, its brilliant.. how u put alp the pieces together.. how u have not strayed away from the source material from our beloved tolkien... i cant express to u how happy it makes me knowing there r ppl like u in this world❤️may the grace of the valar be upon you❤️
My god, this season was a WILD ride! I can't wait until season 5 comes out. Oh wait, it already is and I'm going to binge it. And your singing was utterly haunting and beautiful. It reminded me of when Aragorn sang about Luthien and Frodo overheard it. That was truly amazing, my friend.
Wait....season 5 ISNT out yet?! Oh no 😭😭
Dear Dave, I have commented on your vids many times now. Always positively, sometimes superlatively. Here however, you have reached your peak (so far). Amazing how you have grown as a storyteller. Listened to this ten times now or so, discovering new depths with every listen. Much like when I read Tolkien. In fact, I'd go as far as to say I think the great man himself would probably approve of your version. And that is truly the biggest compliment one can receive. I love you man. Please drive carefully. My life would be poorer without you!
As someone who isn't the sharpest crayon in the crayola box I really am enjoying your videos and getting a better understanding the world of Tolkien
I almost cried in the end when you sang Elendil's song and also at the death of Tar-Míriel. It's hard to not be disappointed with Amazon's adaptation:(
There are tears rolling down my face - that ending of season four was heartbreakingly powerful. Thank you for this.
What a joy to listen! You are simply awesome and a credit to the legend. Congratulations!
It really bums me out thinking about how amazing this series could have been 🥺. Thanks Rainbow Dave.
now I want the "Rainbow Dave cut" of this show. Great work as always, friend. Click as fast as I could!
I believe you must be at least a quarter Tolkien. How else can we explain your unmatched talent for rewriting and creating alternate stories. Whatever it is , may you exist ny friend. May you exist❤️
Thanks so much!
I have been enjoying your content for some time now and each time I agree with those who say "we needed YOU to write for the series!" Keep doing what you're doing because you and those like you are like the trees who were saved.
Absolute thing of beauty, Dave. The last 20 or so minutes had me genuinely emotional. Thank you for doing this.
This has been a fantastic experience so far, and it really feels as though I've experienced this nonexistent show in a way. But when you busted out Elendil's Quenyan song, and made the comment that someone should sing it better... don't sell yourself short my man, that was beautiful
As far as I'm concerned these "adaptations" should be regarded as virtual cannon. Soroniel - absolutely brilliant!
It's 'canon', isn't it!
WOW Mr Dave this was AWESOME!!! The running time put me off so I didn't click on it but I finally gave in and O MY GODDDD I was fully missin out the whole time!! This was like the best entertainment I've had in MONTHS. ❤💛💚💙💜
Thanks!
Btw, regarding the first season, I had an idea: it would be cool to develop the story of Elrond and Celebrian. I know that in the lore they first meet at Rivendell after the war, but for the sake of developing their character I think they should meet in Lindon or at the lake near the Shire. Then, through the season they can think of eachother. Celebrian being full of life and energetic, while Elrond is more "insecure" (at this stage), a bit melancholic but of course always kind. Then, when their roads divide, Celebrian meets a young man among the Midde men (Bree), and develops an affection to him, only to find out he is dead, when the 300 years time jump occurs (circa year 1500), to develop the theme of death and deathlesness. At the end of the second season, Elrond and Celebrian meet again in Imladris and understand that their characters complete eachother and in this time of destruction love is needed.
They don't technically have to *meet* for this to work. They can exchange glances in the passing and hear a lot about each other, already having a face to place those snippets of information to. Then their meeting would make for a scene like in the legends, their whole lives, the world itself pushing them towards their destiny, and them realizing they have never been whole but never knew what exactly what they missed.
Also, a fancy taken to a human would play to the theme of Elrond being the timeless sibling, and Celebrian being a part of his world, humans passing, but living on in different ways. Reversed when Arwen makes the opposite choice.
(Yea, I'm reading too much into this, I love a solid drama, and I also think that a love story destined to happen (and having a happy ending) would gain interest of femine part of the audience. We know they will get together, so I think pointlessly focusing on "if" destroys a lot of prequels. "When" and "how" are much more interesting. And not focusing on their love arc would be a missed chance since a)Galadriel, Elrond and Arwen are big, recognizable parts of the brand and franchise, so not hyping it up would be missing a chance ; and b) they are important part of the story, gluing all of this together up to already established LotR, and will be constant presence in the tale anyway. Not milking it a bit for a bigger, more emotional payoff would really disappointing.)
@@PLKinka yup, I agree, I know of people just hearing about a person and falling in love with her, even if they never met her. But, on the other hand, we have go find something to do to our man Elrond, who is just hanging out in Lindon the entire season. In ROP they put him in the Khazad-dum story, but if we stay canonical we should think of something else. Do you have some idea?
I should have thank you long ago for everything that you've been doing. That's just amazing! 💗 I hope some day I'll have a pleasure to read it as a fan fiction, or maybe some true fan of Tolkien will buy all the rights (including yours) and make a series of our dream
I've loved this entire series, and this "season" in particular was truly epic. I got all the thrills and emotions just listening to you describe these episodes that I wish the actual show gave me. I eagerly await season five!
This entire series has been absolutely EPIC. Thank you so much for putting in so much work to bring this to life. This is truly the show that the Second Age deserved.
This video is magical. Brought me to tears at the end. The Amazon show brings me to tears in a very different way.
Have been waiting for this video since the first one!
You're absolutely right to say 2nd age adapts itself! Absolutely love your idea of adaptation.
I cannot but feel, despite the objective greatness of all his other work, The Downfall of Numenor was the tale the Professor was truly born to tell us.
Thank you for doing it justice, Dave.
Watching this at 1:00am. I’m tired but I can’t stop watching. You’ve captivated me.
Loud applause! Thank you so much for this! I really don't mind these videos being so long, as they are great to listen to.
Thank you for all your hard work Rainbow Dave! This is a beautiful work of art! This video made me laugh and cry and cheer and gave me goosebumps! I say you are a true bard!
I second that! Wow!! Wow!! 👍
Happy Sunday! I really do appreciate the respect you have for your audience and the care you put into every episode. Unlike the show this isn’t just content it’s love in video form. Most channels and shows treat us like we’re mindless consumers.
1:39:40 “Hardens his heart” is exactly the right phrase. I never made the connection before, but perhaps it is no coincidence that Pharazon sounds a lot like Pharaoh, because their attitudes sure are similar
I think that not many people recognize the significance of the fact that Elendil, and therefore Isildur, and later Aragorn, are the firstborn descendants of Elros Tar Minyatur, and so it’s fitting that the line continues through them.
Indeed, that’s what it is all about. The reuniting of the branches of the half elven with Aragorn and Arwen.
Simply amazing! I teared up as you narrated the ending of Numenor and the closing scenes of "Season 3." You have done complete justice to Tolkien's vision. Master storytellers, both of you.
OMG!! Rainbow Dave! Amazon should hire you instantly. I found myself going thru so many emotions listening and envisioning your made-for-the-screen version of the 2nd Age. And can't wait to get to the next section. Your love of Tolkien's work comes thru and is passed on to us, your avid listeners. I have The Silmarillion. Bought it 10+ years ago. Haven't had the luxury of time to read it. So I bought the Audible version also. And while that is a good read, it lulls me to sleep and that's not an option when I'm driving. So I find myself coming back to your videos, over and over. Some I've watched more than once. You're such a gift to Tolkien's work, for you share it with such passion, love and dedication that one can't help but be hooked by such a great mythology. While I fear during my lifetime there may not be a version(s) of The Silmarillion (which I LOVE so much, thanks to you), in the screens, I hope it is made one day and you're hired as the lead writer. Thank you for all your hard work. 👍
I think many Men's desire for deathlessness is somewhat similar but still much different to some of the Elves' desire for ruling - i.e. Galadriel for a time. Elves were immortal and perhaps some of those who had made the journey to Valinor became bored of perfection.
Feanor for example achieved perfection through the Silmarils, but he was still uneasy and restless in what is pretty much heaven. Not only did he became obsessed with his creation, but he was very firm in wanting to be the crown prince of the Noldor and saw his halfbrothers as a threat.
Later on Turgon grew contempt and decided to seclude himself and his people in Gondolin against Ulmo's initial advice and after his warning was delivered by Tuor. I mean it's understandable for him to go back into hiding after the disastrous defeat in the Nirnaeth, but I guess he grew very accustomed to living and ruling in the safety of his lavish city kingdom instead of following up on Ulmo's warning and heading out into the perilous outside world.
I think this can also apply to Thranduil to some extent, who became more and more reclusive in order to hold on to his ever shrinking kingdom.
Although I could be way off 😅
I've just found your channel and yes YES, after.seeing thr disastrous 1st season and only 3 episodes into the 2nd, I get the distinct feeling that you spinning YOUR yarn here for ALL the seasons, will end up being far, FAR better!
Thank you!
Can't wait to see your spin in the last season!
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Welcome aboard! And thanks!
@tolkienuntangled - Thank you Dave. Years ago, I made an attempt to learn Quenya but didn't quire make it. How do you say "Thank you " or however the elves would've expressed it? 😊✌️
Thank you for all your adaptation videos (Second Age Seasons 1-4). It is a breath of fresh air after searching the web for alternative interpretation to the RoP TV show. Echoing many commenters, you have demonstrated quite well that excellent adaptations using the same source material is possible, without the need for a billion dollars, but with true talent, respect and genuine appreciation for Tolkien’s work. Annon allen :)
Excellent story telling as always, can't wait for the next installment. How good stories like this fuel the imagination is priceless.
Amazon needs to pay you to save the next 4 Seasons! Let’s start a petition!
Not worth trying to save a sinking ship, better to scrap the series after season 1 and leave it to another studio to start on a clean slate.
I hope you do a series of how 1st age stories can be told perhaps?
As a huge Tolkien fan who is actually enjoying the Amazon series quite a bit, there are parts of your outline (can we call it that?) that definitely gave me chills. I think I actually teared up a bit when you described the death of Miriel.
Hope the other UA-cam tolkien experts know about your ROP seasons, I have listened to all seasons back to back its like an audio book in my head and can imagine every scene, hope an amazon official could come across it and c how easy it could of been.
Rainbow Dave, what a legend, love all your videos and your singing is better than you think. Ive had the calculator out and can officially tell you this video series is exactly 4.6billion times better than the atrocity amazon has made
Thanks!
This was an absolute pleasure to listen to and watch. Can't wait for the 5th season outline. And the next Silmarillion series!!!!
This makes me weep. Rings of Power could've been a tremendous work of literary adaptation.
I love when you say 'However ...'
Something brilliant is guaranteed to follow.
Thank you SO much for the time, effort, and care that you've put into this series! Your dedication really shines through, and it warms my heart 🥰
You do such an amazing job of telling the stories Tolkien wrote. It's one thing to read them. But when told with passion and skill as you do it brings them to life.
Thank You!
Having watched through the entire 1st season of RoP and now having seen these hypothetical propositions of what could have been...I'm not even angry anymore...I'm saddened by this juxtaposition that emphasizes just how wasteful Amazon was with all the money and license to create the absolute pinnacle of Tolkeinian storytelling immortalized in living color and yet...they fell so far short of the mark. THIS is the adaptation we all deserved! Casual Tolkein fans, Loremasters and newcomers alike. I felt genuinely enveloped by your narration of the story and wildly impressed by your creative navigation of the lore. The deep thematic undertones, sensible plot devices, adherence to the rich history and excellent delivery was all just superb. Yet the most mind-blowing part of it all is how a trillion dollar media giant with a billion dollar budget couldn't even get CLOSE to this compelling masterpiece. Well done.
Listening to this was better than the entire season of Rings of Power. Not even exaggerating.
i am speechless. thank you so much for putting so much effort in these videos and i do hope you know that the way you tell this story is wonderful and i admire your enthusiasm and you do have a pretty voice too and your singing is great! and i can't wait for season five!
This was wonderful Dave. Sauron's world sounds literally like St
Bellermine's treaties on hell. Its a small booklet I read many years ago. Hot very hot, and cold icy cold. I also love ur accent and am trying to picture what u look like. Yet, I guess for me, not knowing is part of enjoying your storytelling so much! Looking forward to ur next adaptation!
Sounds well thought out, planned, & respectful to the source material & the author.
Your planning reminds me of Babylon 5 - the entire show was planned before any of it was shot - and it shows (especially on rewatch).
I would certainly watch your version & likely buy merch. (My family haven't watched ROP and don't intend to).
Upon further thought (and after completing the video) I love the fact that, yes this follows the movies, and yet it precedes it. And the whole time it vastly overshadows the events of LOTR - as Tolkien intended. It also solves the problem of prequels overshadowing / outshining the media that came before but chronologically happened later.
I honestly believe that your version would have been a HUGE success.
I obviously don't know your life. Stephen Colbert, the host of The Late Show on CBS, in America, is a renowned Tolkien fan. I honestly think that you could beat him, knowledge-wise. And your sense of keeping it true to Tolkien is just clearly a passion project. Your heart comes thru, man, and it's why I watch ALL of your stuff
👏👏👏👏 Absolutely awesome! The final part of the story had me mesmerized. Thank you!!
SWOONS! Please sing more often! That was beautiful!
I usually put stuff like this on to fall asleep at night. It is now 5am…. Well done man. That was so good!
I do not like audio books all that much. But boy do I listen to your adaptations with such joy! Can I say that I particularly love Miriel's story? Beautiful, just beautiful. Thank you so much for your efforts!
That Fair-Guise-Sauron, trusted advisor to Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, King of Númenor, called in sick the day Ar-Pharazôn's fleet of ships headed off to invade Valinor has always been the funniest thing in all of the Tolkien legendarium.
Like, you could just see him slowly sliding out of the frame of the shot.
*cough, cough* My apologies, my King Ar-Pharazôn. I… *cough, cough*... I don't think I can make such a long sea journey. I really really really wish I could. Really.
A blind man could see the invasion of Valinor was going to be a shitshow for the Númenorians. 😂
The bulidup to the line "don't be a dick to trees" had me rollin' 🤣🤣🤣
In re gold, remember that Galadrial promises Gimli that "over you gold shall hold no power."
Man this was so great. Amazon are fools for not hiring you to do the ROP writing. What they did is a disgrace to put it lightly. This is so well thought out. The explanation of not only what rights are used but also character and timeline explanations make this much easier to follow and because I know you are a Tolkien lore master I don’t question your true intent which I think mirrors most of us Tolkien enthusiasts and reflects our shared interest in staying true to the work. It has been a great experience. Thank you I appreciate it 👍👍
Wow! Tears to my eyes! Beautiful! Thanks for sharing this. It is a consolation. (I stopped to watch the series at ep. 3. No hard feelings to me, but that is just not for me. But it is a little frustrating, so, in this sense, consolation.)
I'm looking forward to season 5.
Your adaptation is so good. Loving this series, so thanks!
OUTSTANDING
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Great storytelling. The parts that needed to be fleshed out were faithful to Tolkien, had purpose in the greater story, and creative.
and the singing was definitely above average lol
I teared up when Miriel died…what an amazing show we could have gotten if people like yourself were given the resources. Such a shame.
I have so many ideas to build on what you wrote. Wonderful job!
You are a beautiful storyteller and such a rich source of knowledge of Tolkien. Thank you for all your videos. I enjoy them thoroughly.
Thanks!
Someone send this to the Amazon writers' room so they can learn how to actually craft a powerful woman. Soroniel is clearly a total badass, and Miriel - Zimraphael is regal and sympathetic (and I think the actual Miriel actress could be phenomenal playing this version of her character). I am literally crying at the end you gave her. Damn...
And a Harad story would be the absolute best thing ever.
That actress is the best thing about the existing show. She has a regal presence the Galadriel actress lacks.
I love your videos and it makes me so sad that we will never see an adaptation like yours on screen, instead we got this pure vomit from amazon
Might as well do a fan film
@@DragonoidBerserker1 Yeah like the one of Aragorn in the search for Gollum and Beren and Luthien, they're great fan made films and way better than Amazon's trash!
Again…. Fantastic work!!! From start to finish I’m hanging on every word!!
Thanks!
Just incredible. Well done again, Dave.