Every time I hear of Numenor as a realm, I get sad because it was such a beautiful place and yet Sauron utterly ruined it by wicked manipulation. But it is a fair reminder to us that men's pride and hubris can prove as catastrophic as any natural disaster.
They also let emotions fly when they asked those questions about the Ban of the Valar, very human ones. They questioned the nature of their own existence and that led them to blindly abandon those who they once thought as friends. Very sad.
The Rings of Power would have been a massive success if it merely focused on Numenor, the Elves, and Mordor. Some timeline issues would have to be compressed, but the story would have remained whole and entirely epic.
As this is a recurring error, repeated in several videos: Millennium = singular Millennia = plural Therefore it is "a (one) Millennium" not "a Millennia" Thank you... subbed to both this channel and Kings and Generals and love videos on both.
I wanted to offer one correction to this otherwise fantastic video: Galadriel, Celeborn, and Celebrian did not leave Eregion before the coming of Annatar. Galadriel actually gave regular scorn to Annatar while he was in Eregion, which Sauron endures with courtesy while attempting to raise a coup against her by means of the Smiths. This convinces/forces Galadriel to flee with her daughter (and Amroth, but he never gets brought up) to go to Lorinand and remain there, but Celeborn actually stays behind in Eregion because he will not suffer to enter the realm of the Dwarves, but Eregion is effectively taken over by Celebrimbor. The Rings then begin to be made after this (this last detail is kinda sketchy, but generally accurate). At the very least, this is the version of the story as it is reported in Unfinished Tales, and I don't believe there is another version of the story (certainly not in the Appendices or the Silmarillion, and I can't find a reference to it in "The Peoples of Middle Earth" either). I think the mistake in the writing here is due to the fact that Tolkien wrote about how Galadriel came into contact with Lorinand and began to influence it to the point that Sauron could get nothing done there.
That chapter of UT is maybe the only one I don’t re-read on a regular basis. Trying to work with all the different possible timelines of when and where Galadriel and Celeborn met, just when she went over the Misty Mountains, whether Celeborn was Nandor or High Elf…it’s interesting but it’s too much for me to hold in memory 😅 As Christopher T said, paraphrasing here, there is no part of the legend as riddled with inconsistency as the tale of Galadriel and Celeborn. Still, love that this chapter exists.
@@rydawg8934 I don't disagree, but it's clear that they're drawing from the passage, as I believe this is the only place where Galadriel's activity is directly spelled out.
Thank goodness for channels like Wizards and Warriors doing Eru's work. That way people won't confuse the travesty that is Amazon's Rings of Power as Tolkien lore.
You know Tolkien never used the word lore right? He thought of it as mythology which accounts for his own discrepancies. The whole of LotR is a retelling in the Red Book
@@DeepfriedBabyno, people complain when you fail to even stick to basic premise of a story. If you change the time, the geography, the chacarters, their motivations, their actions....... That makes it a different story altogether. Just naming the chacarters the same doesn't mean anything. If you want to make a Tolkien movie. Make one. Don't put your own putrid decaying filth into it and call it Tolkien.
Fantastic work my friends; these long form documentaries have become my favourite dinnertime companions, and as a lifelong Tolkien fan, a joy! ✨👏🏻 I hope everyone appreciates how your work represents the literal essence of "adaptation"; you've "adapted" the story of the 2nd age, from the page, into a brilliant animated documentary. You haven't made up your own characters, your own plots, reimagined original characters completely, because you think you can do better than the Professor, nor have you constructed a poor, contemporary imitation of Middle Earth because you think Tolkien's world needs "fixing" for the "modern audience"! 🙏🏻☺️ Eternal thanks!
They literally couldn’t… they only have the rights to the main books. They only had the appendices to work from and most of this is in the silmarillion, the book of lost tales, and other writings that Amazon doesn’t have the rights to. Hence the character and lore assassination that occurred. It’s one of the worst shows ever made… but hey… the guy above me likes it so what do I know right? I’ve only been considered a Tolkien scholar by many a well read nerd.
Hey. Long-time viewer here. Space Marine 2 is wildly popular yet the majority of players have no clue what happened in the first game from a lore perspective. Perhaps a video covering the life and exploits of Captain Titus?
Excellent video! Just one correction at around 11:00. "... with such interactions eventualy causing the Adûnaic language to merge with that of the Numenoreans." Adûnaic was the language of the Numenoreans, and it combined with the Mannish language(s) spoken by the men of Middle-earth to eventually become Westron.
Feanor is regarded as the greatest and most powerful of all elves but also their greatest curse. Yet he is not to blame, his beloved father Finwe, was slain by Morgoth. His mother died giving birth to him. The most precious jewels were stolen. His heart was born with an inner fire that could not be extinguished and such was his downfall.
@@jeffcordova9633 that was not feanor, that was fingolfin i think? The step brother or the son of feanors step brother challengend and fought morgoth in single combat.
@@jeffcordova9633That was his half brother Fingolfin that wounded morgoth. Feanor was the smartest, most creative, Fingolfin was the best fighter, and other brother Galadriels father was the wisest.
@@Ar-Pharazon21 Plus the Teleri were idiots in not helping the Noldor going to Middle-Earth. Had they just assisted them, their numbers would have been massive and there'd be significantly more Noldor in Middle-Earth. There wouldn't be the Kinslaying, the burning of the ships - well too good to be true
I know someone who worked on ROP season 2. As a Tolkien geek I actually told him the real second age and his response was "Dunno why we didn't just make that."
I don't think this is true. Amazon is allowed to cover a very small portion of the 2nd age. Some of the deficiencies of the show are there because of the limitations of the copyright.
They also made a conscious decision to shorten the timeline dramatically. They didn't want to have to tell the stories of generations of human characters.
@@w-james9277 Is your "friend" a producer or something, since he has so much influencer over the show? And why does he know so little about the show he is working on? Is this another case of "Weird person making a weird self-complimenting lie in the youtube comment section".
@@freshfruit213 Likely in one of the many production departments. It's a big industry. Hell I know the majority of stunt riders for LotR, and horse owners, because I grew up in the NZ Racing Industry. Brego's original owner sold a horse to my family back in '03 that we raced for 4 years. I also know several actors and producers thanks to my closest friend being a writer, producer, and director. Quite a few worked on this show's first season because it filmed here, but it was really just another job for most I talked to about it.
Hey. You guys forgot a bunch of stuff! Galadriel was super involved in all of this stuff…and you forgot her love story with Sauron. Cmon guys. Keep up! 😂😂😂
Major typo at 15:25. You have Celebrimbor shown as, Celembridor on the map. Otherwise, great content as always. Love your guys' videos. Keep up the good work.
@@chrisstorrer I can't think of any like that. Tolkien Gateway doesn't show anything either. It does sound vaguely elvish tho doesn't it. Save it for a gamertag in Lotro or another Tolkien game. = ]
Very nice maps and Animation! Tolkien started three stories set innthe second age, his first idea included Amroth and Agaldor a seer of the middle men, then he started a time travel story in which a father and his son traveled to Numenor and met their ancestor Elendil, then the story of Tal-Elmar, a young possibly native to later Gondor who gets caught by Numenorean Explorers and goes to Numenor and later travels all around the Westlands of Middle-Earth. He never finished any of these, they remain fragments... butbthey are never much mentioned by Content creators.
Well Stupidly enough its because they CANT tell this story They arent allowed to use the silmarillion which has THE story of the 2nd age They can only use the appendices and what limited names and places it mentions So they had to drastically mess with the story or else the Tolkien estate would sue them They shouldve just not made the show since they werent being allowed to "do it right"
I had never thought of it this way but what was said in the video makes perfect sense. Its not called The Undying Lands because once you go there you become immortal. Its called that because the people allowed to dwell there are already immortal and won't ever die. Its more like the Land of the Undying would be a more accurate account. The land itself doesn't even wither just like the elves and the Valar and Maiar.
At 13:19, I love it when Gil-galad reaches out to the Númenóreans. Like " homie look, this is remnants from morgoths old situation, one of hie lor homies up to some bullshit, if we dont take this seriously, they goin catch up lacking " 😂 Gil - galad was serious man, they butchered homie in that show. We talking about a cat who wrestled with sauron, him and isildurs father
I don’t understand why they didn’t set it in the east and cover the blue wizards against Sauron. Could have had a plenty diverse cast there without anyone being bothered by lore breaking…plus it’s a really interesting and unexplored area of the universe.
@@mykelhedge7299 Because that would require creativity and thought; which they do not possess. They chose something they assumed most people were unfamiliar with, so that they could tell "Their own story." while legally plagiarizing all of the bits they liked. If they'd been interested in creatively telling a story that fit with Middle Earth, they would have done it. They weren't, so shunting them off to the East would only displace their vandalizm.
I can’t but see the elves, especially the Noldor elves as a race of creatures similar in many ways to the descriptions of fallen angels of biblical accounts, and the numanoriens and the edain as the Nephilim. The comparison is pretty close. The valar and maiar spirits as yet again fallen angels of greater power. Bearing these comparisons in mind while reading Tolkien’s works shifts the mood in a darker direction. It becomes quite a different tale.
Can someone urgently forward this video to the showrunners of Amazon's Rings of Power? Even though it may be too late for the series, this original story is miles ahead of the disjointed mess they're currently struggling to hold together with weak writing. Maybe it could help salvage things for season 3-or, better yet, they should just replace the showrunners entirely.
You say Adunaic was "fused with that (language) of the Numenoreans'" to create Westeron. Adunaic is in fact the Numenorean language. Westeron is a "volgar" evolution of Adunaic and used as a common tongue.
Most Numenorean Colonies were in harad, where they treated the natives bad, the natives of Eriador and Gondor were treated rather nicely as the Numenoreans recognized them as remote Kinsmen.
There is a thing in occult literature refered to as the astral plane, many compare it to the collective unconscious of Jung. It is supposed to be the store of the collective wisdom of mankind, and as such is where all mythology originates. I have always felt that great writers like Tolkien draw from this collective realm rather than simply add to it, that is why sometimes Tolkien talks as if he does not know which way the story is going to go, or does not understand always why certain things happen in his stories. This would mean that the whole of Tolkiens Middle Earth writings could be considered similar to true mythology or the great works of Shakespear and many others. Its like something builds up on the astral plane due to the input and mixing of mankinds thoughts and history, and it needs to find an outlet such as a great writer like Tolkien, and the "muse" then takes these people and, if they have sufficinet skill, a new great work is born for man to consult in his evolution. Does this make sense to anyone else?
Yes, I do this with music and songwriting. There is absolutely a collective consciousness (or unconscious, to most people) and it's a bit of a funny thing because when I get that inspiration, that divine feeling that leads me to write, I now know that I only have a limited amount of time to consolidate and get if recorded or at least written out before someone else with the same ability eventually encounters the same inspiration and expresses it themselves lol in this world of "me me me mine mine mine, I'm taking what's yours and pretending to have written it!" it's important to establish that one is not copying anyone, a dire offense, and also staying true to ones own inner divinity as well. Knowing this, i see Tolkien as something similar to myself in that he most definitely was accessing these very salient motifs and modes from the muse dimension as well as his own literary studies as a learned scholar. No matter where one looks, one will see the evidence of this astral plane as you put it, in all forms of art. It's real.
When a youtube channel has better storytelling than a multibillion corporation... People talk about alternative universes but WE ARE the alternative universe
And then Numenor launched their planned counter-offensive against the Dark lord on the land of Ereador who had no interest in joining the morder protection pact.
You guys are awesome and my new fav channel for late night/falling asleep! You guys should REALLY consider diving into the world of the Witcher some more 😇🙏🙏🙏
I’d love a video comparing the OG timeline for the second age to what’s happened thus far on Rings of Power in a non-judgemental way, obviously for TV a 3000+ year timeline isn’t going to work well, but would love to hear thoughts about where they might take it, and how they could do everything between the forging of the 9 which they’re already up to, through to the last alliance which seems like a logical place they’d be trying to take it to for an end. I feel like they’re setting it up for Adar and the Orcs to destroy Ost-in-Edhil, Khazad-dum to come to Elrond’s aid, and Sauron to flee middle earth after the battle to go to Numenor by choice rather than as prisoner, further stoke the persecution that’s happening and Ar-Pharazôn’s lust for immortality, meanwhile they have Isildur already in the area that will become Gondor and Elendil seems poised to leave Numenor already, so I assume less exile like, or perhaps Gil-galed will send for aid from Numenor before Elendil leaves and Numenor falls, feel like that will be most of Season 3, Season 4 maybe Rivendell and Gondor are founded proper but not fully built up, not sure what else they could do there and season 5 all about forming the last alliance. I really hope this whole heavily implying the stranger and the dark wizard are Gandalf and Sauroman is a big misdirect and they turn out to be the two blue wizards; but it feels like they’re just going for it with that despite the issues it causes for Sauroman’s later turn toward evil being largely unforeseen and Gandalf not arriving until TA.
I note that this factual summary of the 2nd age of Middle Earth, does not recount how the men were turned into Nazguls and the 7 rings of the dwarves were lost.
Rings of power butcher so much of the lore in the first season i hope that they do it justice in the remainder of the second season and in third season. It’s one thing to have representation it’s another when you forcefully use that type of propaganda to butcher a story and turn it into a political statement rather than staying faithful to the source material or having a decent story based off of the source material
Saurons rule wasn't a papertiger, his realm was more than Mordor, he atbthe time already had distributed the nine rings to mannish rulers from many lands, makingbthem his servants, at last one was an Easterling butbthree were Numenoreans, probably former Kingsmen from colonies in harad.
A question I have is... what the hell was Sauron doing for roughly 1200 years...just influence in the east and south and being worshiped? but that was *more* than enough time to build a massive army and overrun all of Middle Earth...
Amazon spent a billion dollars on the Rings of Power and this video has better story telling, narration and character development then that sorry excuse of a show.
Really hoping that it gets to that point. A show can have a rough start but from what i've seen from season 2 so far i'm fairly hopefull things are looking up and that we might acctually get great depictions of the battles in the later stages of the age
@@WizardsandWarriors Awww man i've been watching your videos for a while now, me and my coworker love Kings and Generals, cant believe you actually replied thats awesome!😁 made my day man keep up the amazing work!
i don't know if it's the British pronunciation, I have never heard it pronounced thus until I saw ads from that stupid publication, Epoch News and they pronounced it "epic news." So I assumed it was another American phonetic butchery. I really hope it doesn't catch on, it's dumb to fix something that isn't broken
Qestion . Is noumenor supposed to be an alligory for Great Britain ? And dont start with the argument "Tolkien hated aligory by his own admission" , because all of his work is coded ( and especially racely coded ) . Example: Orks are based in the " not so loved by Europeans, Mongols" .
When did the actual forging of the rings happen? The Rings of Power has completely screwed up the order of events if this video is correct. I know they shortened the timeline but at least get the order of events right!
![[LOTR] The Complete History of Arda and Middle-earth](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wZR-fQ0Nvq4/mqdefault.jpg)
35:58 "As such, Ar-Pharazon was able to simply walk into Mordor..." I see what you did there 😂😂
One channel to bring them all, and with the algorithm, bind them.
Not in this case.
Every time I hear of Numenor as a realm, I get sad because it was such a beautiful place and yet Sauron utterly ruined it by wicked manipulation. But it is a fair reminder to us that men's pride and hubris can prove as catastrophic as any natural disaster.
They were doomed before Sauron. As they had already turned against the valar. Sauron just finished the deed with lies and deceit.
They also let emotions fly when they asked those questions about the Ban of the Valar, very human ones. They questioned the nature of their own existence and that led them to blindly abandon those who they once thought as friends. Very sad.
@@Ar-Pharazon21I don't think they would've tried to go to Valinor without Sauron goading them into it
It was rotten Sauron was in the right there
@@ConnerMacKenzie oh but they would. He just hastened the fact
The lore of Middle-Earth is amazing
Only bested by the law from Rings of Power.
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@@cameronjones8641LOL I knew someone would say that
@@Alkron1 🤣🤣🤣
Agreed
Year 3434 of the second age. Here follows the account of Isildur, high king of Gondor and the finding of the Ring of Power.
it is...precious...to me.
@@joshuabenton3785 "Though I buy it with great pain."
This video is far better than the crappy Amazon Rings of Power series.
The Rings of Power would have been a massive success if it merely focused on Numenor, the Elves, and Mordor. Some timeline issues would have to be compressed, but the story would have remained whole and entirely epic.
As this is a recurring error, repeated in several videos:
Millennium = singular
Millennia = plural
Therefore it is "a (one) Millennium" not "a Millennia"
Thank you... subbed to both this channel and Kings and Generals and love videos on both.
lol, i can tell this is annoying for you XD
He also mispronounces 'Adunaic' every time
I wanted to offer one correction to this otherwise fantastic video:
Galadriel, Celeborn, and Celebrian did not leave Eregion before the coming of Annatar. Galadriel actually gave regular scorn to Annatar while he was in Eregion, which Sauron endures with courtesy while attempting to raise a coup against her by means of the Smiths. This convinces/forces Galadriel to flee with her daughter (and Amroth, but he never gets brought up) to go to Lorinand and remain there, but Celeborn actually stays behind in Eregion because he will not suffer to enter the realm of the Dwarves, but Eregion is effectively taken over by Celebrimbor. The Rings then begin to be made after this (this last detail is kinda sketchy, but generally accurate).
At the very least, this is the version of the story as it is reported in Unfinished Tales, and I don't believe there is another version of the story (certainly not in the Appendices or the Silmarillion, and I can't find a reference to it in "The Peoples of Middle Earth" either). I think the mistake in the writing here is due to the fact that Tolkien wrote about how Galadriel came into contact with Lorinand and began to influence it to the point that Sauron could get nothing done there.
That chapter of UT is maybe the only one I don’t re-read on a regular basis. Trying to work with all the different possible timelines of when and where Galadriel and Celeborn met, just when she went over the Misty Mountains, whether Celeborn was Nandor or High Elf…it’s interesting but it’s too much for me to hold in memory 😅 As Christopher T said, paraphrasing here, there is no part of the legend as riddled with inconsistency as the tale of Galadriel and Celeborn. Still, love that this chapter exists.
@@rydawg8934 I don't disagree, but it's clear that they're drawing from the passage, as I believe this is the only place where Galadriel's activity is directly spelled out.
Thank goodness for channels like Wizards and Warriors doing Eru's work.
That way people won't confuse the travesty that is Amazon's Rings of Power as Tolkien lore.
The way they absolutely butcher the Númenóreans , angers 😠 me
DEATH!!!
You know Tolkien never used the word lore right? He thought of it as mythology which accounts for his own discrepancies. The whole of LotR is a retelling in the Red Book
Top work yet again guys! This is so comprehensive
Thank you again and so much . Replace the amazon serie with this and we get so many people understand the amazing tolkien work .
Excellent summary!
35:58 One does not simply...nevermind!
Thanks For this Guys! Love your content ❤❤❤❤
Ideas : Elric, Kull of Atlantis, Osten Ard, Chronicles of Amber, Barsoom, Starship Troopers (book version!), Tigana.
Yes!!! I've waited for this!!!
Let’s go! I’ve been waiting for this video! Love the Chanel 🔥
@@__Sauron_ Chanel sounds like a perfume.
More middle earth content! 🙌🏽
Bravo my friend waited so long for the 2nd age 😁
The fall on the Númenóreans would make make for an epic movie trilogy
Nerds would complain about anything that isn’t word for word from the book.
@@DeepfriedBaby Normies would swallow the putrid Hollywood soup and call it divine.
@@DeepfriedBabyno, people complain when you fail to even stick to basic premise of a story. If you change the time, the geography, the chacarters, their motivations, their actions....... That makes it a different story altogether.
Just naming the chacarters the same doesn't mean anything.
If you want to make a Tolkien movie. Make one. Don't put your own putrid decaying filth into it and call it Tolkien.
Or a great television series. But quality writing and faithfulness to source material is hard to find these days…
@BobbyBaloney almost impossible to find
Fantastic work my friends; these long form documentaries have become my favourite dinnertime companions, and as a lifelong Tolkien fan, a joy! ✨👏🏻
I hope everyone appreciates how your work represents the literal essence of "adaptation"; you've "adapted" the story of the 2nd age, from the page, into a brilliant animated documentary.
You haven't made up your own characters, your own plots, reimagined original characters completely, because you think you can do better than the Professor, nor have you constructed a poor, contemporary imitation of Middle Earth because you think Tolkien's world needs "fixing" for the "modern audience"! 🙏🏻☺️
Eternal thanks!
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Semicolon and scare quote cringe
@@yansideabacoa6257 I hope your Monkey pox clears up.
@@yansideabacoa6257 Thank you for your service: your policing language on the platform is so stunning and brave.
@@otz111 You ARE the "modern audience"...And give your colon a break bro ...
Wish Amazon would have given us this instead of the crap they've put on screen
Very good show and just the fact they get to put Gandalf,Sauron and others on screen again is awesome to me.
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They literally couldn’t… they only have the rights to the main books. They only had the appendices to work from and most of this is in the silmarillion, the book of lost tales, and other writings that Amazon doesn’t have the rights to. Hence the character and lore assassination that occurred. It’s one of the worst shows ever made… but hey… the guy above me likes it so what do I know right? I’ve only been considered a Tolkien scholar by many a well read nerd.
Tolkien fans are simple people, just don't mess with us, rop is learning that well.
Hey. Long-time viewer here. Space Marine 2 is wildly popular yet the majority of players have no clue what happened in the first game from a lore perspective. Perhaps a video covering the life and exploits of Captain Titus?
Excellent video! Just one correction at around 11:00. "... with such interactions eventualy causing the Adûnaic language to merge with that of the Numenoreans." Adûnaic was the language of the Numenoreans, and it combined with the Mannish language(s) spoken by the men of Middle-earth to eventually become Westron.
Epic as always! Love your channel guys ! keep it up! 💯🔥
Rings of Powers should take a note from this channel 😊
Faenors words really did echo through the first age into the 2nd age
Feanor is regarded as the greatest and most powerful of all elves but also their greatest curse. Yet he is not to blame, his beloved father Finwe, was slain by Morgoth. His mother died giving birth to him. The most precious jewels were stolen. His heart was born with an inner fire that could not be extinguished and such was his downfall.
@@Ar-Pharazon21 he managed to Wound Morgoth so bad that he limped til the day he was Taken by the Valar the Halls Of Mandos
@@jeffcordova9633 that was not feanor, that was fingolfin i think? The step brother or the son of feanors step brother challengend and fought morgoth in single combat.
@@jeffcordova9633That was his half brother Fingolfin that wounded morgoth. Feanor was the smartest, most creative, Fingolfin was the best fighter, and other brother Galadriels father was the wisest.
@@Ar-Pharazon21 Plus the Teleri were idiots in not helping the Noldor going to Middle-Earth. Had they just assisted them, their numbers would have been massive and there'd be significantly more Noldor in Middle-Earth. There wouldn't be the Kinslaying, the burning of the ships - well too good to be true
Boromir: "one does not simply walk into mordor"
Ar-Pharazôn: "I beg to differ"
I know someone who worked on ROP season 2. As a Tolkien geek I actually told him the real second age and his response was "Dunno why we didn't just make that."
I don't think this is true. Amazon is allowed to cover a very small portion of the 2nd age. Some of the deficiencies of the show are there because of the limitations of the copyright.
@@WizardsandWarriors I know. I did tell him Amazon didn’t have the rights to the Silmarillion.
They also made a conscious decision to shorten the timeline dramatically. They didn't want to have to tell the stories of generations of human characters.
@@w-james9277 Is your "friend" a producer or something, since he has so much influencer over the show? And why does he know so little about the show he is working on?
Is this another case of "Weird person making a weird self-complimenting lie in the youtube comment section".
@@freshfruit213 Likely in one of the many production departments. It's a big industry. Hell I know the majority of stunt riders for LotR, and horse owners, because I grew up in the NZ Racing Industry. Brego's original owner sold a horse to my family back in '03 that we raced for 4 years. I also know several actors and producers thanks to my closest friend being a writer, producer, and director. Quite a few worked on this show's first season because it filmed here, but it was really just another job for most I talked to about it.
Hey. You guys forgot a bunch of stuff! Galadriel was super involved in all of this stuff…and you forgot her love story with Sauron. Cmon guys. Keep up! 😂😂😂
😂😅😭 That's right! The UNTOLD stories, Tolkien forgot to mention 😉
😂😂😂😂👌🏼
It’s Saurrrron
Salty
@DeepfriedBaby who is?
Major typo at 15:25. You have Celebrimbor shown as, Celembridor on the map. Otherwise, great content as always. Love your guys' videos. Keep up the good work.
Kind of like Celembridor, does Tolkien use that name?
@@chrisstorrer I can't think of any like that. Tolkien Gateway doesn't show anything either. It does sound vaguely elvish tho doesn't it. Save it for a gamertag in Lotro or another Tolkien game. = ]
We need a video detailing Eragon and Mistborn lore 🎉
We have one on Mistborn
@@WizardsandWarriorsAlagaesia coming up soon??
Mechanicus soundtrack goes so fucking hard man
Awesome video, always a pleasure to watch your stuff.
Very nice maps and Animation! Tolkien started three stories set innthe second age, his first idea included Amroth and Agaldor a seer of the middle men, then he started a time travel story in which a father and his son traveled to Numenor and met their ancestor Elendil, then the story of Tal-Elmar, a young possibly native to later Gondor who gets caught by Numenorean Explorers and goes to Numenor and later travels all around the Westlands of Middle-Earth. He never finished any of these, they remain fragments... butbthey are never much mentioned by Content creators.
A series of videos about the mortal engines universe would be dope
Good reminder of how hard The Rings of Power are screwing the pooch…
Oh and nice opening with the OST of Mechanicus 😬
Well
Stupidly enough its because they CANT tell this story
They arent allowed to use the silmarillion which has THE story of the 2nd age
They can only use the appendices and what limited names and places it mentions
So they had to drastically mess with the story or else the Tolkien estate would sue them
They shouldve just not made the show since they werent being allowed to "do it right"
@@scolack123 that explains it. Way to shove heaps of dollars in a furnace
@thomasawell said 😂legredelasoujeole9998
This is better than rings of power
Getting a prostate exam is better than rings of power.
@@Tar-ZA-n Getting a root canal is better tha RoP
yes i'd rather watch this on repeat than watch a season of rop
Everything is better than rings of power
Same as your mom's muffin
I had never thought of it this way but what was said in the video makes perfect sense. Its not called The Undying Lands because once you go there you become immortal. Its called that because the people allowed to dwell there are already immortal and won't ever die. Its more like the Land of the Undying would be a more accurate account. The land itself doesn't even wither just like the elves and the Valar and Maiar.
This was a great summary.
At 13:19, I love it when Gil-galad reaches out to the Númenóreans. Like " homie look, this is remnants from morgoths old situation, one of hie lor homies up to some bullshit, if we dont take this seriously, they goin catch up lacking " 😂 Gil - galad was serious man, they butchered homie in that show. We talking about a cat who wrestled with sauron, him and isildurs father
So Rings of Power totally ruined the perfectly good lore created by Tolkien
Nah. It's completely tangential.
I have thr books, I can still read; this sideways fan-fiction ruined nothing. 🧝♂️🧝♀️
I don’t understand why they didn’t set it in the east and cover the blue wizards against Sauron. Could have had a plenty diverse cast there without anyone being bothered by lore breaking…plus it’s a really interesting and unexplored area of the universe.
@@mykelhedge7299 that's what I said. I don't think they knew that was an option 😂
@@mykelhedge7299 Because that would require creativity and thought; which they do not possess.
They chose something they assumed most people were unfamiliar with, so that they could tell "Their own story." while legally plagiarizing all of the bits they liked.
If they'd been interested in creatively telling a story that fit with Middle Earth, they would have done it. They weren't, so shunting them off to the East would only displace their vandalizm.
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I can’t but see the elves, especially the Noldor elves as a race of creatures similar in many ways to the descriptions of fallen angels of biblical accounts, and the numanoriens and the edain as the Nephilim.
The comparison is pretty close.
The valar and maiar spirits as yet again fallen angels of greater power.
Bearing these comparisons in mind while reading Tolkien’s works shifts the mood in a darker direction.
It becomes quite a different tale.
It is said that Ciryatur is the Witch King of Angmar. Very sinister from Sauron’s stand point, to turn your greatest enemy to your greatest servant.
Thanks for correctly depicting the duel of the kings.
Can someone urgently forward this video to the showrunners of Amazon's Rings of Power? Even though it may be too late for the series, this original story is miles ahead of the disjointed mess they're currently struggling to hold together with weak writing. Maybe it could help salvage things for season 3-or, better yet, they should just replace the showrunners entirely.
They could of east and south parts of middle earth. Now they must suffer the wrath of Eru
If fans of rings of prime actually knew the mythos then they'd see what utter shyte they are being served. Thank you for making this video.
Oh cry more.
You know if they follow the proper storyline they'll get sued right?
@@Bearhoff then why tell a story you don't own the rights to?
@jasongranger4121 grovel like a sycophant to your corporate overlords
Watch it or don't. I got shit to do
absolutely wicked, thank you so much
As old Numenorian proverb says "The sea is always right"
Would love to see a deep dive on the Witch King & the fall of Arnor
You say Adunaic was "fused with that (language) of the Numenoreans'" to create Westeron. Adunaic is in fact the Numenorean language. Westeron is a "volgar" evolution of Adunaic and used as a common tongue.
44:36 Actually, it was Minas Ithil and Minas Anor, which was only later renamed to Minas Tirith.
Warcraft next!!!
"There is a tempest in me!" 🍑💨
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This channel plays Children of the Omnissiah a great deal.
Imagine if rings of power was about this story.
Most Numenorean Colonies were in harad, where they treated the natives bad, the natives of Eriador and Gondor were treated rather nicely as the Numenoreans recognized them as remote Kinsmen.
You guys should cover the war of Rorrihm
There is a thing in occult literature refered to as the astral plane, many compare it to the collective unconscious of Jung. It is supposed to be the store of the collective wisdom of mankind, and as such is where all mythology originates. I have always felt that great writers like Tolkien draw from this collective realm rather than simply add to it, that is why sometimes Tolkien talks as if he does not know which way the story is going to go, or does not understand always why certain things happen in his stories. This would mean that the whole of Tolkiens Middle Earth writings could be considered similar to true mythology or the great works of Shakespear and many others. Its like something builds up on the astral plane due to the input and mixing of mankinds thoughts and history, and it needs to find an outlet such as a great writer like Tolkien, and the "muse" then takes these people and, if they have sufficinet skill, a new great work is born for man to consult in his evolution. Does this make sense to anyone else?
Yes, I do this with music and songwriting. There is absolutely a collective consciousness (or unconscious, to most people) and it's a bit of a funny thing because when I get that inspiration, that divine feeling that leads me to write, I now know that I only have a limited amount of time to consolidate and get if recorded or at least written out before someone else with the same ability eventually encounters the same inspiration and expresses it themselves lol in this world of "me me me mine mine mine, I'm taking what's yours and pretending to have written it!" it's important to establish that one is not copying anyone, a dire offense, and also staying true to ones own inner divinity as well.
Knowing this, i see Tolkien as something similar to myself in that he most definitely was accessing these very salient motifs and modes from the muse dimension as well as his own literary studies as a learned scholar. No matter where one looks, one will see the evidence of this astral plane as you put it, in all forms of art. It's real.
The story Tolkien wrote about the Second Age is FAR better than the one Amazon is telling. Such a shame
Minas Anor was the original name of Minas Tirith in Gondor at it's first founding. Osgiliath was the chief city of the southern realm in exile.
When a youtube channel has better storytelling than a multibillion corporation...
People talk about alternative universes but WE ARE the alternative universe
Epic.
And then Numenor launched their planned counter-offensive against the Dark lord on the land of Ereador who had no interest in joining the morder protection pact.
You guys are awesome and my new fav channel for late night/falling asleep! You guys should REALLY consider diving into the world of the Witcher some more 😇🙏🙏🙏
Veantur met the middle-men due to intervention of Cirdan, they weren't natives of Gondor but of Evendim in Eriador!
36:31-36:37 Wow it would have been over right at that time. No more wars and no more suffering in Middle-Earth.
For Ulthuan?
@@Denthrusdawn Yeah For Ulthuan Warhammer Total War😀.
I’d love a video comparing the OG timeline for the second age to what’s happened thus far on Rings of Power in a non-judgemental way, obviously for TV a 3000+ year timeline isn’t going to work well, but would love to hear thoughts about where they might take it, and how they could do everything between the forging of the 9 which they’re already up to, through to the last alliance which seems like a logical place they’d be trying to take it to for an end. I feel like they’re setting it up for Adar and the Orcs to destroy Ost-in-Edhil, Khazad-dum to come to Elrond’s aid, and Sauron to flee middle earth after the battle to go to Numenor by choice rather than as prisoner, further stoke the persecution that’s happening and Ar-Pharazôn’s lust for immortality, meanwhile they have Isildur already in the area that will become Gondor and Elendil seems poised to leave Numenor already, so I assume less exile like, or perhaps Gil-galed will send for aid from Numenor before Elendil leaves and Numenor falls, feel like that will be most of Season 3, Season 4 maybe Rivendell and Gondor are founded proper but not fully built up, not sure what else they could do there and season 5 all about forming the last alliance. I really hope this whole heavily implying the stranger and the dark wizard are Gandalf and Sauroman is a big misdirect and they turn out to be the two blue wizards; but it feels like they’re just going for it with that despite the issues it causes for Sauroman’s later turn toward evil being largely unforeseen and Gandalf not arriving until TA.
You have no power here
I note that this factual summary of the 2nd age of Middle Earth, does not recount how the men were turned into Nazguls and the 7 rings of the dwarves were lost.
I thought it was Luke Skywalker firing a proton Smeagol into some forgotten Porta potty in the back of the Barad dur. Gotta go re read that.
Should have just called the video "Everything the Rings of Power Got Wrong or Couldn't Care Less About."
Please Do a Series on 'MALAZAN BOOK OF THE FALLEN+EMPIRE"
Rings of power butcher so much of the lore in the first season i hope that they do it justice in the remainder of the second season and in third season.
It’s one thing to have representation it’s another when you forcefully use that type of propaganda to butcher a story and turn it into a political statement rather than staying faithful to the source material or having a decent story based off of the source material
They could of made a show about the south and east parts of middle earth gone batshit crazy but now they must pay for their mistakes.
Saurons rule wasn't a papertiger, his realm was more than Mordor, he atbthe time already had distributed the nine rings to mannish rulers from many lands, makingbthem his servants, at last one was an Easterling butbthree were Numenoreans, probably former Kingsmen from colonies in harad.
A question I have is... what the hell was Sauron doing for roughly 1200 years...just influence in the east and south and being worshiped? but that was *more* than enough time to build a massive army and overrun all of Middle Earth...
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Did Elrond know that the ring needed to be cast into mt doom to be destroyed as shown in the original movie?
And when did the wizards first appear?
Can u do videos on the yuuzhan vong war
that would be cool!
These series by Wiz. & War. are 1000x better than the bullshit we have of Rings of Power
What software does Arb Paninken use for the animations?
After Effects
35:59 god damn it lol
how many of you here have actually read Tolkien's extended works? No, watching videos on UA-cam doesn't count as the same thing
30:47-31:57 I feel sad for King Tar-Palantir.
Amazon spent a billion dollars on the Rings of Power and this video has better story telling, narration and character development then that sorry excuse of a show.
You forgot about compressing time , things that happened 1,500 years apart could seem like they happened days apart. 😂
If Rings of Power actually gets to 5 seasons, I just hope they do the Last Alliance justice. We need some good sieges.
I hope it get cancel, the show is garbage
Really hoping that it gets to that point. A show can have a rough start but from what i've seen from season 2 so far i'm fairly hopefull things are looking up and that we might acctually get great depictions of the battles in the later stages of the age
They need to cancel it like Disney cancelled acolyte
They won’t they messing up the war between Sauron and the elves already with this Adar stuff
They have tried to do too much at once with rings of power. The second season seems better then the first atleast
I’ve been wondering about your accent for a while, are you British or are you a 1920’s era American radio personality?
British. West English, to be precise
@@WizardsandWarriors Awww man i've been watching your videos for a while now, me and my coworker love Kings and Generals, cant believe you actually replied thats awesome!😁 made my day man keep up the amazing work!
PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH! ow, its not that kinda video, must have been the music.
Based Age of Empires' siege sounds there
Elrond arrived Eregion from Mithlond, Rivendell didn't yet exist.
The British pronunciation of "epoch" is one of the worst parts of British pronunciation. Ee-POCK, pleas.
i don't know if it's the British pronunciation, I have never heard it pronounced thus until I saw ads from that stupid publication, Epoch News and they pronounced it "epic news." So I assumed it was another American phonetic butchery. I really hope it doesn't catch on, it's dumb to fix something that isn't broken
"Whom do you serve..?"
I don’t know if your information is correct because this is way different than the Amazon show Rings of Power😂😂😂😂😂
yeah who do i believe?!
It is correct- the book Fall of Numenor is fantastic and worthy of a read.
@@chrisstorrer hmm, the greatest literalist to ever exist or a mega corporation only interested in DEI.😀
Numenor is Atlantis mixed with Sodom and Gomorrah
Why do you portray the Numenorian kings' as being crowned, when they wore no crown? The kings of Numenor only had a sceptre.
Qestion . Is noumenor supposed to be an alligory for Great Britain ? And dont start with the argument "Tolkien hated aligory by his own admission" , because all of his work is coded ( and especially racely coded ) . Example: Orks are based in the " not so loved by Europeans, Mongols" .
No. Closest is Atlantis
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When did the actual forging of the rings happen? The Rings of Power has completely screwed up the order of events if this video is correct. I know they shortened the timeline but at least get the order of events right!