When Orcs Unite? | The Alliance of Mordor, Isengard, and the Misty Mountains

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  • Ever wondered what those Orcs got up to before attacking the Fellowship and killing Boromir? And how does their story end?
    Learn more about the difference between Orcs, Uruks, and Goblins in this video - • Orcs, Uruks, & Goblins...
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  • @lancebrowning4770
    @lancebrowning4770 14 днів тому +106

    I can't express how delighted i am that you have returned to us Rainbow Dave.

    • @benmaguire1729
      @benmaguire1729 14 днів тому +5

      I concur!!! I could listen to rainbow Dave wax whimsically about the legendarium all times of... Every of the times.... Times of always... ??? IDK, hopefully y'all can catch what I was throwing. Thanks Dave, love your content!!!!

    • @smilesfordays8946
      @smilesfordays8946 5 днів тому

      I think I'm beginning to feel gay, but I will never do the deed.

  • @Philusteen
    @Philusteen 14 днів тому +67

    random orc: "I think we should unionize."
    Orc platoon leader: "looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!"

  • @ilonapsiuk1078
    @ilonapsiuk1078 7 днів тому +6

    I love how clearly this vid shows that "the two towers" is in fact about the rivalry, not an union between the two Maiar. As always - great job Rainbow one 🙂

    • @TimJohniLL
      @TimJohniLL 3 дні тому +1

      We use “a” with nouns that start with a consonant sound. Sometimes, as in the case of “union”, a word begins with the vowel “u” in the spelling, but with a consonant in the pronunciation (you). Remember, when deciding whether to use “a” or “an”, it is the sound, not the spelling, which is important.
      Sry ocd and was curious so I googled it

  • @learneroflore7963
    @learneroflore7963 14 днів тому +24

    I get so excited when I see new content on your channel!!
    Pause, prep drink & snacks aaannndd buckle in for AWESOME TOLKIEN!
    Thank you for all you do here !!

    • @Dr_Cole
      @Dr_Cole 13 днів тому

      His releases are the only ones where I specifically make time to ensure I can experience the release uninterrupted and in comfort for what I am sure will be an epic tale and an epic storytelling.

  • @paulgalligan1916
    @paulgalligan1916 14 днів тому +10

    Was just wondering what I'd listen to before bed... then Boom 💥 Rainbow dave with the goods again right on time , Yes 🎉

  • @antarfodoh
    @antarfodoh 14 днів тому +13

    I have this whole head canon about Orcs in the far east who rebelled, which I just cannot stop thinking about and expanding upon. The various notes and writings I've put together over the years could never be published before I die, but I like to think that some day they could become part of the expanded unfinished tales... One can dream, anyway.

    • @EgoEroTergum
      @EgoEroTergum 14 днів тому +5

      Shaaaare.

    • @antarfodoh
      @antarfodoh 14 днів тому +11

      @@EgoEroTergum Okay, fine. But only because if the 4th "a" in your request 😂 Here are some of my notes and timeline...
      Free Orcs of the East
      Names:
      - To Orcs: Fell Orcs
      - To Men: High Orcs
      - To Elves: Fair Orcs "Vanimorco" (Vanimo is Quenya for "fair)
      - After the fall of Doriath in year 509 of the First Age, Eluréd and Elurín are rescued by a small group of Avari called the Ymonyä (derived from "imin") from the East. Eluréd is gradually healed but Elurín succumbs to his wounds
      - The Ymonyä speak a derived and unique version of Quenya, residing near Cuiviénen
      - Eluréd settles with the Ymonyä, taking a wife, influencing their culture with his teachings from the west, teaching them Sindarin
      - Eluréd and Elurín were never found by their people and were presumed to have perished in the forest.
      - SA 1600 The Blue Wizards travel east to prepare the Free Peoples of Middle Earth for the coming Darkness, sowing rebellion and resistance
      - Free Orcs are "founded" in the 5th year of the Third Age, after the defeat of Sauron, by Orcs wanting to seize their freedom and realizing now was their chance, further encouraged by an encounter with the Blue Wizards
      - Formerly a far eastern stronghold of Mordor, defending the east during the battle of the Last Alliance, by TA 1,000 they had developed a stable free society based on honour and battle, resisting the wild forces of Mordor in the east
      - The early years were filled with savagery and infighting against those that feared rebellion against the Dark Lords, but the Free Orcs quickly establish a violent and brutal, yet fair and free society
      - Commanded by a Chieftan, the Free Orcs were devided into three major houses. Leadership (Chief) was generally hereditary, but could be earned (by challenge, great deeds, vote). The three major houses were descended from the Orc Captain and Lieutenants who led the rebellion in TA 5
      - In TA 1980, Elmírion (granddaughter of Eluréd) and her cousin Elahír, along with their 12 fellow Ymonyä companions are attacked by wild Orcs, while patrolling the wilds of the east. Elmírion, Elahír, and their 6 surviving companions are chased further east by the assailing Orcs and are rescued by Chief Argrol and his Free Orc warriors
      - In TA 1983, Elmírion becomes the first and only Queen of the Free Orcs when she marries Chief Argrol, giving birth to four children, and ruling in his place long after his passing. Elmírion and the Elves enrich Free Orc society, sharing many of their ways and teachings, including the Ymonyä and Sindarin languages
      - By TA 2100, Eluréd married a surviving Ymonyä companion, while the two remaining Elves took an Orc husband and wife, respectively
      - Queen Elmírion is killed in 2379, during an attack by Orcs, and rule falls to her Grandson, (now)High Chief Elgrol of the House of Argrol, whose descendants rule for the next 7 centuries as High Chieftans, never again taking the title of King or Queen, in deference to Queen Elmírion
      - By TA 2800 The Free Orcs number approximately 6,000 (2 Elves, ~5,300 mixed ~700 Orcs), speaking a derived version of the black speech, heavily influenced by the Ymonyä and Sindarin languages
      - By TA 3021, their numbers have dwindled to

    • @EgoEroTergum
      @EgoEroTergum 14 днів тому +1

      @antarfodoh Mmmmm. Yep. That's the good stuff.
      Creative, source respectful, developed timeline.
      I love it. Keep it up, and get like a World Anvil page or something for it. 👌

    • @antarfodoh
      @antarfodoh 14 днів тому

      @@EgoEroTergum Oh wow, thank you so much! I tried to keep thinks tied to the source material, if only tangentially, since that's how Tolkien seemed to do things, while not contradicting anything from established lore. I hadn't heard of World Anvil before and just gave it a look though. I may have to look into it further!
      Thank you so very much for your kind words though!

    • @vc1396
      @vc1396 14 днів тому +2

      ​@@antarfodoh really well thought out, mate. Well done and keep going

  • @louisebrouillette5580
    @louisebrouillette5580 14 днів тому +3

    Thank you, Rainbow Dave, for this close look into the minds of orcs. Even after many readings (in over 50 years), I had not really thought that the orcs of Moria were part of the alliance. You always give us more to think about. Until next time!

  • @hueytlatoani1177
    @hueytlatoani1177 14 днів тому +3

    I'm waiting for my family so we can seat on the couch to watch the video.
    Thanks Dave.

  • @PleaseNThankYou
    @PleaseNThankYou 14 днів тому +7

    A masterpiece of things that I didn't know. So glad to have you around rainbow Dave!

  • @gandalfthepotato9844
    @gandalfthepotato9844 14 днів тому +2

    This account is so underrated it amazes me

  • @Aure-entuluva
    @Aure-entuluva 14 днів тому +4

    Best channel on UA-cam, Tolkien or otherwise, Dave yours is the best. Beside The Why Files, your channel is what I most look forward to on this platform. Be proud of your work because it has a profound impact on many. You are loved, your passion is loved, and your work is most loved.

  • @strick405
    @strick405 14 днів тому +4

    It's always a delight to hear about Tolkien's sidenotes alongside the tale. i never mentioned how I really appreciate the title of this channel - it's perfect. ♥

  • @Dr_Cole
    @Dr_Cole 13 днів тому +2

    There really is no part of your videos that is not utterly fantastic. Your knowledge of all things Tolkien is unparalleled. Your story crafting of these videos goes far beyond simply sharing Tolkien’s craft but makes me certain your book(s) will be truly fantastic, and your use of the video medium is virtuosic. I mean, the simplicity of using three different icons whenever you’re discussing one of the three bands of orcs as a means of aiding the viewer in keeping track of who you are discussing is a brilliant use of iconography.
    Thank you for bringing another sermon to your House of the Rainbow.

  • @shabzstarchintu1211
    @shabzstarchintu1211 14 днів тому +7

    So glad you are back!!!!!

  • @user-sd7ri9fy4i
    @user-sd7ri9fy4i 14 днів тому +5

    Awesome thank you. Nice work dude

  • @user-ez5py3le9c
    @user-ez5py3le9c 7 днів тому

    I just have to tell you that you’re the reason I discovered Tolkien’s Legendiarium beyond LOTR. I saw your playlists and learned about the Silmarillion and was hooked. I’ve now read it multiple times and have a lifelong love (obsession really) with everything Tolkien. I can’t thank you enough!!

  • @christopherbaby3842
    @christopherbaby3842 13 днів тому +2

    2nd comment for the algo. Not that you're running out of Tolkein content but... I cannot get over how epic your 2nd age TV show would be so I'm again asking for a "pilot" episode breakdown possibly as a collab with TV show writers dialogue people etc.

  • @drankin_barry6005
    @drankin_barry6005 14 днів тому +5

    Thank you kindly Dave!

  • @runninblue9415
    @runninblue9415 13 днів тому +1

    Really engaging and well thought out. Much more engaging than the usual 10 minute UA-cam "this is orcs" videos thanks 👍

  • @oobthis
    @oobthis 14 днів тому +3

    My absolute favorite videos......thank you 😊

  • @chrischapman2879
    @chrischapman2879 14 днів тому +5

    Many thanks. These are amazing ❤

  • @RiccoDisfaktism
    @RiccoDisfaktism 14 днів тому +1

    I can tell you’ve been diligently reading “Tolkien Studies”, and especially the special issue focused on the Chronology ❤️ the amount of information we get there is simply exhilarating, and it actually lets us see a “story behind the story”. I’m sure you’ll use it for other videos too! Much love, mellon nîn, your content is top-notch as usual! The way in which you manage to let scholarship, artistry and storyelling skills coexist is simply unparallelled, and I wish we had someone like you in the Italian Tolkiendom!

  • @simonbrosseau1783
    @simonbrosseau1783 14 днів тому +1

    A Tolkien Untangled video on a Thursday, such a pleasant surprise !

  • @JB-wj5ye
    @JB-wj5ye 14 днів тому +1

    thanks RD, always enjoy these

  • @cortexiphan972
    @cortexiphan972 13 днів тому

    Man, I love your channel, and I would love to see a tolkien tv series of this kind of "b-side" stories.

  • @Gorlim_the_Unhappy
    @Gorlim_the_Unhappy 14 днів тому +1

    The King has Returned, in all his rainbow glory! Much love brotha!

  • @MythicTales993
    @MythicTales993 9 днів тому

    Absolutely captivating! This video delves into the intricacies of alliances forged in darkness, offering a fascinating exploration of the dynamics between Mordor, Isengard, and the Misty Mountains. It's a chilling reminder of the power of unity, even among the most sinister forces. Brilliantly crafted and deeply thought-provoking

  • @christopherbaby3842
    @christopherbaby3842 13 днів тому +1

    This was amazing as always.

  • @GreyPilgrim_Mithrandir
    @GreyPilgrim_Mithrandir 14 днів тому +1

    Excellent. As always. Thank you so much.

  • @tarynolyvia
    @tarynolyvia 14 днів тому +1

    Always a great day when Rainbow Dave posts a video!

  • @roberthaynes488
    @roberthaynes488 12 днів тому

    So thankful for the videos you make, Rainbow Dave

  • @nateperkins9860
    @nateperkins9860 9 днів тому

    Always happy to get these awesome videos

  • @haleyschreiter9746
    @haleyschreiter9746 14 днів тому +2

    Thank you for breaking all this down for us, RD!

  • @MysticChronicles712
    @MysticChronicles712 14 днів тому +1

    I'm blown away by how awesome and insightful this content is

  • @chrischapman2879
    @chrischapman2879 14 днів тому +3

    Bank holiday weekend and a new TU video. Thank you Rainbow Dave. These make my life better. X

  • @NuTfielDRobErT
    @NuTfielDRobErT 14 днів тому +1

    That was the best start to my Friday morning drive to work. Thanks mate 👍

  • @AhSageHumor
    @AhSageHumor 10 днів тому

    Masterfully written! Thank you Dave!

  • @EnygmaRecords
    @EnygmaRecords 14 днів тому +1

    Every one of your videos continues to offer incredible insight whilst also being be an absolute delight to watch!
    Thank you for all your hard work!

  • @SunnyCida
    @SunnyCida 14 днів тому +1

    Seeing a new Tolkien Untangled vid pop up always makes my day! Fantastic video RD ❤
    I was always frustrated with the hobbits for running away like that, but I never considered how important it was to the fight.

  • @sdev2749
    @sdev2749 9 днів тому

    Great video explanation of these Orc movements - so good to see

  • @EricGasz69420
    @EricGasz69420 14 днів тому +1

    Damn bro, just finished rereading this part of the two towers! Great timing on the video! Love all your stuff!!!

  • @EeanWooo-to9kd
    @EeanWooo-to9kd 14 днів тому +1

    Really interesting Dave of Many Colours, thank you :) always enjoy your vids!

  • @MrMojoRisin13
    @MrMojoRisin13 14 днів тому +1

    Fantastic. I think I'd need to watch it again just to really get everything that went on!

  • @tidcooney6273
    @tidcooney6273 14 днів тому +1

    Thank you, Dave x

  • @pnut2552
    @pnut2552 14 днів тому +1

    Rainbow Dave, your channel is my favorite!!! I love how passionate you tell the stories and how interesting you make them all seem, no matter if its a long tale or a short one!! Your hard work is appreciated! I look forward to every video my brotha!!

  • @astridchladek1927
    @astridchladek1927 12 днів тому

    But thank you so much for gifting us with so many uncommon and surprising angles to the wonderful story!

  • @mlebrooks
    @mlebrooks 13 днів тому

    Thank you for explaining the various factions of the orcs so clearly

  • @veronicasiegfried2712
    @veronicasiegfried2712 10 днів тому

    I absolutely love the way you explain things we wonder about. Thank you for all the time you put into your work.💖

  • @user-xu6ox2rq4p
    @user-xu6ox2rq4p 14 днів тому +1

    Awesome content. I've been a tolkien nerd fot ages and it is so cool to still learn new things.

  • @tscarb
    @tscarb 14 днів тому +1

    Nicely done!!!!!

  • @michaellovecat
    @michaellovecat 14 днів тому +1

    Dave, I'm curious what you would be in Middle-Earth, your voice is as graceful as an elf but you're definitely as chill as a hobbit, maybe a elf that settled in the shire somewhere lol
    Great video, I love those baddies

  • @sevenroses8488
    @sevenroses8488 14 днів тому

    Hey Dave, your content is superb. I'd love to hear your take on the fall of Gondolin.
    Thanks for all the work you put in.

  • @13RBruce
    @13RBruce 5 днів тому

    Thanks you so much for making these videos, they are amazing!

  • @victorianguyen6620
    @victorianguyen6620 14 днів тому +1

    So nice that you uploaded today! Im always looking forward to Tolkien Untangled aka DAVE! Yay! Thank you for this video which Ive just started to watch. Its almost 12am in Jersey, but tomorrow is Friday so I give myself some slack. Looking forward to the showdown!❤😊

  • @jdatkin8601
    @jdatkin8601 13 днів тому

    Yes, my favourite group given a highlight by my favourite Tolkien channel!

  • @Vohtwomax
    @Vohtwomax 14 днів тому

    Absolutely best channel on the tube. I’m working my way through the Turin saga again 😅 I think it might also be time to rock out Dave’s take on how rings of power should have been. Cheers!

  • @paulemge9156
    @paulemge9156 13 днів тому

    One of my top 2 Tolkien UA-camrs!

  • @Orovingwen
    @Orovingwen 14 днів тому +1

    I love the insights in Orc culture.
    One of the things I always wondered is why the moria Orcs would not just return home. They have no business with the ring and why would they want to see Saruman? Wouldn't it be better for them to go back the way they came with more shadow on the way to Moria than through the open plains of Rohan where the sun burns them?
    I can see why you like these two Orcs the best but I personally prefer the two captains Frodo&Sam meet, those who just want to get away from it all and don't care about the war :D

  • @matthewdavis5530
    @matthewdavis5530 14 днів тому +1

    Love me grog, love me killin', love me destruction.
    'Ate elves, 'ate tarks.

  • @ilijas3041
    @ilijas3041 7 днів тому

    With this passion bro has for LOTR he could narrate about two hobbits pulling the bucket of water out of the well, and make it sound like the most action-packed mystery fueled thriller out there. As long as the bucket has Made in ME label

  • @adnananjum2919
    @adnananjum2919 12 днів тому +1

    Great video! Opens a interesting question, what would happen if a orc like Grishnak had managed to find the one ring, would he keep with loyalty to Sauron or would it change/corrupt him

  • @MrARock001
    @MrARock001 14 днів тому +22

    Just wanted to shout out how much grief the orcs put Tolkien through: On the one hand, he wanted a villainous race to stand in for all the evils he saw in the world, complete with their own twisted and corrupted cultures and habits, but on the other hand, he wanted it to be morally justifiable for the heroes to slay them indiscriminately.
    Now, a more secular author might have shrugged at this and not lost a night's sleep, but apparently the idea, for Tolkien, that there could be an intrinsically evil sentient race, as his stories often demanded, presented an intractable paradox: how could Eru create such a people, irredeemably evil from birth? And if they weren't irredeemably evil, then how could the heroes be justified in slaughtering them without mercy?
    He twisted and flip-flopped on whether they truly had souls (Fëa) or whether they were just beasts who had learned to mimic sentience. But I find it fascinating that he basically wrote himself accidentally into confronting a theodicy: he had to explain why a good god would create a world with inherent evil. He wrestled with a problem in fiction that philosophers and theologians have been wrestling with for centuries.

    • @michaelsmyth3935
      @michaelsmyth3935 14 днів тому

      Melkor

    • @christopherbaby3842
      @christopherbaby3842 13 днів тому +2

      Apologists gonna apologize. Even in a Catholic world without allegory the paradox rears its head. It would be fun for a secular author to look to nature for this quality. Explain weasels who break into a chicken run and kill every hen without taking a bite. Fisher cats are the worst. Allegedly, I don't live in New England. I'm sure someone's explored it I only really read the popular stuff.
      Anyways I don't think it's too much of a leap to find insidiousness in nature "red in tooth and claw". Humans are just such a new and overwhelmingly dominant apex creature that the idea of something like orcs only exists in our deep subconscious. Just rambling here, thank you for your wonderful comment.

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 12 днів тому

      I think the problem exists because Eru is not the God of the Bible. We have no proof that Hell exists. If Orcs come from Men, then they probably receive the Gift along with Men. If they come from Elves, they will just be stuck in the Halls of Mandos until the Dagor Dagorath. And after that war is over, who knows?

    • @c.antoniojohnson7114
      @c.antoniojohnson7114 10 годин тому

      The Orcs are part of Morgoth's ring, which is middle earth itself.

  • @morgant.dulaman8733
    @morgant.dulaman8733 19 годин тому

    Sauron as a spirit: "Easterlings. I should have sent Easterlings."

  • @Cheddarcheesemonkey
    @Cheddarcheesemonkey 14 днів тому +1

    HES BACK

  • @davidkaplan2745
    @davidkaplan2745 9 днів тому

    Masterfully told.

  • @astridchladek1927
    @astridchladek1927 12 днів тому

    Glorious time when a 🌈Dave video waits for me every other night! Sorry I missed my thanks last time… trying to make up for it now! Thank you for your creativity! Looking sooooo fwd to Gondolin, though🥳🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

  • @TheHoneyBadger-yh5vj
    @TheHoneyBadger-yh5vj 13 днів тому

    God bless you and your work sir 😇😇😇respect from Croatia 👍👍👍

  • @GreatGreebo
    @GreatGreebo День тому

    Thank you *Rainbow Dave* 🤘

  • @MrARock001
    @MrARock001 14 днів тому +1

    I feel like the orcs get a bad rap for all the chaos and for confusing Sauron. But he never told them what it was they were looking for, because he didn't trust them. And frankly, it was the Nazgûl who bear most of the blame, since they saw clearly that there were four hobbits leaving Bree and could have mentioned to Sauron that because only two were captured, there was only a 50% chance the Ring was in orc hands.

  • @user-wm7qx6ny4k
    @user-wm7qx6ny4k 9 днів тому

    You are my favorite youtuber

  • @egoborder3203
    @egoborder3203 14 днів тому +2

    was it skill that guided the arrow, or fate? As they say in baseball, "it's better to be the instrument of Ilúvatar than good"

  • @anakinlapierre-tate4127
    @anakinlapierre-tate4127 14 днів тому

    Omg I get off work and check my phone, first thing I see new video from rainbow Dave. LET'S FUCKEN GOOOOOO

  • @laurenbernstein621
    @laurenbernstein621 14 днів тому +1

    A master study of the self defeating nature of evil

  • @ryanmcwilliams8784
    @ryanmcwilliams8784 14 днів тому +1

    I just finished the chapter where merry and pippin hang out with quick beam. It’s crazy this video came out today lol.

  • @ahandsomefridge
    @ahandsomefridge 14 днів тому

    Ha! I never knew about the different motivations of the different orc types (or I shamefully forgot if part of it was mentioned in the LOTR books). Great piece of lore to come upon, haven't seen it mentiomed on other lore channels yet.

  • @Raeinok
    @Raeinok Годину тому

    Eventually an Orc rises to become a powerful warboss and they go on a WAAAGH. Tale as old as time.

  • @davidmiddleton7958
    @davidmiddleton7958 14 днів тому

    During Tolkien's The Hobbit, the Orcs of the Misty Mountains certainly allied together. With Thorin Oakenshield's party eascaping the Misty Mountains, this stirred an alliance of tribes! Some of these were survivors of the Dwarf Wars.

  • @thatcrossfitdude
    @thatcrossfitdude 14 днів тому +1

    Can’t believe I’d be so excited about a video on Orcs 😂😂😂😂
    Rainbow Dave has arrived, ladies and gents!
    PS- I’m trying really hard to keep my urge about War of Wrath down😅

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 12 днів тому

      The War of Wrath lasted for 45-50 years. We don't know for sure which Valar and Maiar were included in The Host of the Valar. Perhaps 🌈 Dave should do a video on the War of Wrath.

    • @thatcrossfitdude
      @thatcrossfitdude 7 днів тому +1

      Can you imagine if he pulls it off like he did for How ROP should’ve been made? It’s gonna be crazy 😝

  • @pkhjdlkfjandljfn
    @pkhjdlkfjandljfn 2 дні тому

    Lol, the whole of the Rohan Riders are absolute units! Especially Eomer's company. Harassing the Orcs throughout the night, pinned, basically some psychological warfare tactics, shock and awe! Then obliterating them at sunrise...knowing they're weaker just clashes with em! Eomer is him! Freaking cool details

    • @c.antoniojohnson7114
      @c.antoniojohnson7114 10 годин тому

      Eomer is basically Eol the young reincarnated. So many similarities.

  • @simonkenna1990
    @simonkenna1990 14 днів тому +1

    Just in time for bed , thank you 😴

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 13 днів тому

    Ugluk may well have been an Uruk Hai, but he did fight with bravery like a man to the death.

  • @tommoseley3120
    @tommoseley3120 2 дні тому

    Hi Dave any plans to do a post about Helm Hammerhand & Hera what with the films release this December

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike6883 12 днів тому

    Been a long time Mellon

  • @astridchladek1927
    @astridchladek1927 12 днів тому

    Danke!

  • @brawst3057
    @brawst3057 14 днів тому

    LET'S GOOOOO

  • @JRRichards123
    @JRRichards123 14 днів тому +1

    I’m confused how this scheme of orc nations melds with the hobbit goblins and the battle of five army orcs. Any chance we could hear that?

  • @Crafty_Spirit
    @Crafty_Spirit 9 днів тому

    4:18 I think in the book Aragorn splits open the chieftain's skull, which is quite gory 😅

  • @vincentwerts4724
    @vincentwerts4724 7 днів тому

    I just reread this part of Lord of the Rings. I knew about Mordor and Isengard, but I didn't know there were orcs from Moria too.

  • @jdatkin8601
    @jdatkin8601 13 днів тому

    Thanks

  • @methodsocratic
    @methodsocratic 13 днів тому

    Here’s what I’ve never understood: what’s in it for (most) orcs & goblins?
    What I mean is, are they all mindless drones in thrall to single, powerful leaders such as Azog, the Great Goblin, Saruman or Sauron? They seem entirely capable of independent thought. Their masters trust them to operate independently on unsupervised missions. So, again, why do they do what they do?
    The idea that “they’re evil, so they like to do evil, & we know this because we read about them doing evil” is actually quite boring, in my opinion, but I’m having a difficult time coming up with more.
    I can understand an argument for the orcs of Moria being motivated by simple self-determinism: Moria is theirs, they have community (as they define it), that community was disrupted by the passage of interlopers in the form of The Fellowship; the same can be said for the goblins of the Misty Mountains & their animosity toward Thorin & Company on the quest to retake Erebor.
    However, the question of the rest of orc or goblin-dom & why they “do what they do” isn’t as clear to me; the easy answer, that Sauron’s conquest of Middle Earth implicitly benefits his orcs & goblins rings thin to me, because, other than killing & destruction, what do orcs & goblins stand to gain? Perhaps that’s all the motivation they need, but I’m left thinking that’s a rather reductive answer. “Orcs & goblins are only into killing & destruction because all we know of them is that they kill & destroy.” It’s circular logic.
    I’m aware of the genesis of Tolkien’s orcs & goblins. I’ve read his major works, but I’ve not read his letters or unpublished notes. Perhaps some answers are there. However, Tolkien did manage to flesh out why elves do elvish things, hobbits do hobbit things, dwarves do & men do & so on, & all within his major publications. Even if his dark races get more attention in his letters & notes, they’re still getting short-shrift compared to the other races of Middle Earth. It seems to me I know way more about a few lonely, extinction-adjacent Ents than I do about the potentially hundreds of thousands, if not millions of individuals actually executing the will of The Great Foe.
    From what I recall of the trilogy, The Hobbit & The Silmarillion, the rare glimpses we get of orc & goblin daily doings are usually from the viewpoint of a protagonist covertly observing those orcs or goblins, & usually the observed orcs or goblins are part of an armed force (either Saruman’s or Sauron’s). So, is that the entirety of orc & goblin existence? Are they all soldiers & never anything else? At the very least a few would have to be artisans, cooks, miners, etc., but where are those stories? What are those workers doing after the forge or cook fire is out for the day? Killing the nearest thing, stomping the nearest blade of grass, breaking something? That, again, seems pretty reductive.
    What is the world orcs & goblins are seeking to build that justifies their allegiance & loyalty to Sauron or Saruman?
    I’ve always been curious.

  • @colindunnigan8621
    @colindunnigan8621 14 днів тому

    It's so hard to find good help these days!

  • @powercage
    @powercage День тому

    Mordor’s symbol reminds me of Vaati from Zelda.

  • @Disgruntled_Grunt
    @Disgruntled_Grunt 14 днів тому +3

    Point of order: Aragorn does not _cut off_ that Moria chieftain's head, he _bisects it._ ". . . Anduril came down upon his helm. There was a flash like flame and the helm burst asunder. The orc fell with cloven head."

    • @happyslapsgiving5421
      @happyslapsgiving5421 14 днів тому +1

      Very metal. 🤘

    • @Disgruntled_Grunt
      @Disgruntled_Grunt 13 днів тому +1

      @@happyslapsgiving5421 Metal as hell!

    • @Enerdhil
      @Enerdhil 12 днів тому

      Well that is an unpleasant image I would rather not have imagined.😅

    • @c.antoniojohnson7114
      @c.antoniojohnson7114 10 годин тому

      Sounds..... wonderful,and some people think Jaime Lannister from GOT could beat Aragorn,in fact it wouldn't be a fight. Jaime couldn't handle Aragorn looking into his soul.

  • @DHTC888
    @DHTC888 8 днів тому

    Wow thanx Rainbow Dave!! I see you're ahead of the curve for us, the new Gollum movie was just announced. New director, so we'll try again. 🌈🌈🌈🌈

  • @jimbombadill
    @jimbombadill 10 днів тому

    Good sumery but there are some things missing for me. First in Moria there are orcs that enter there while the company is inside. Also there are uruks of Mordor inside Moria. Its not really clear if there actually are any orcs in Moria when the fellowship enters there. Its clear that there are no orcs there when Balin rules it, they come later. Also its unclear what loyalty the northerners have to the Balrog.

  • @JoeShmoe102
    @JoeShmoe102 14 днів тому

    9:05 - *Varg VIkernes has entered the chat*

  • @albanmahoudeau1779
    @albanmahoudeau1779 3 дні тому

    THE RETURN OFFRODO FROM DEATH.

  • @zandosdwarf-king
    @zandosdwarf-king 14 днів тому

    No one was sprinting all the time (not on the evil boys side that is)
    First we munch on some bread, then we can think on cutting our ties. Priorities man

  • @vingaxoc6543
    @vingaxoc6543 14 днів тому

    Oogluk is a great name

  • @MerryMohProductions
    @MerryMohProductions 13 днів тому

    @Tolkien Untangled Who are your favorite villains?

    • @tolkienuntangled
      @tolkienuntangled  13 днів тому +1

      I think Second Age Sauron is my favourite villain.

    • @c.antoniojohnson7114
      @c.antoniojohnson7114 10 годин тому

      Good choice,mine are Morgoth during the 1st age. Followed by 2nd age Sauron.