Can 3 Standard Decks Beat a Legacy Deck? | With
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2024
- Today we are trying to find out once and for all: How many standard decks does it take to beat a full-powered legacy deck?! Does it stop at 3?
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grave titan isn't in the legacy deck list... despite being reanimated 4:33
Love your guys' content, but those decklists are not correct for what was played.
It’s absolutely hilarious that one of the best Legacy Reanimator targets is in Standard right now, so the control deck just happens to have a Reanimator package too
back in rakdos meta it wasnt just a single card that is honestly mostly a removal spell that turns into something grabbing your old atraxas you cast earlier from GY. back then there were full fledged normal reanimator decks abusing the cruelty of gix
I wouldn’t call it the best, and usually big dumb mythical that cost 373737 mana are in standard. Standard just can’t do anythjng with them most of the time
@@chaosky9 well I did say “one of the best” and not “the best”, but Atraxa does pitch to every non-red free spell
@@janmelantu7490 err i'm not sure they should even be running it, but hey sure they play it. Also why does it matter griselbrand and archon also pitch to every pitch spell the deck runs. People like to say atraxa gives more card selection then griselbrand i just fail to see how thats true, typically picking 4 from 10 is less then 14 from 14.
@@chaosky9It's not uncommon to see FoW in Reanimator which is the big leg up it has. It draws far less than Grisel, but in theory it should be enough to setup your next turn and spin your wheels again.
Such an interesting premise for a video. I had no idea who would win this 🤔 Thanks again for having me! 🤩
Yoo first comment
Hopefully see you again on here in the future!
I think it would have been interesting seeing him get to 3 decks:
like game one is a 1v1 game 2 is a 2v1 ect just to see how far it can go.
Keep up the great brews! We love seeing your crazy decks go off.
@@Herpderpthe4ththey do similar content for league of legends and StarCraft 2 e.g. can 1 pro player beat 3 diamonds etc
That virtue of persistence lightning strike combo was so fun!
13:01 Amazing team five lol
Also between the animations, card zoom ins, changing camera angles, and great banner, I can't help but be entertained by these videos... they keep me coming back! Great work everyone!
I'm happy you enjoyed it :D thank you! It means a lot
Ok for everyone talking about how Grief only targets opponents, just remember Carl still had unmask and could've done the same thing just in a different order
Except he didn't.... and therein lies the rub....
@@beerman2000 you must be real fun at fnm
I see. You're one of those. I should play your deck correctly FOR you so you don't have to be bothered with it yourself
@@beerman2000 lordy how do you not feel embarrassed to be posting right now
@@HwahTVWhat's embarrassing is that 204 people so far, probably 500 when it's all said and done, agree with the comment as if we should all lower our standards and not care about playing correctly. This isn't commander.
What a fun match. Had some real YuGiOh: Bonds Beyond Time energy. Every turn Carl threw down a powerful, game-ending threat and everyone else had to scramble to deal with it.
and even had to sacrifice one of their players to stem the tide :)
Its absolutely crazy that a single deck put up a fight against 3 other decks with triple the resources basically
Legacy messed up
You cannot compare apples to Oranges
If carl utilized a full combo deck like cephalid breakfast instead of reanimator he could ve won against any number of standard decks
Any legacy deck that wins off of Thassa's Oracle
The cheapness of the legacy reanimation effects was insane. So much two mana reanimation!
Not saying that reanimator isn't good but they chose a matchup that would showcase what legacy can do but not be a blowout. For example, a delver deck isn't winning against 3 standard decks. It just isn't happening since it doesn't put out enough damage or 2 for 1 hard enough to outdo 3 standard decks. Reanimator can do big things but reanimator is susceptible to removal and doesn't win immediately. So when going up against 3 decks, reanimator 2 for 1s itself quite a bit to make its big plays go through. This works fine in 1v1 but a multiple opponent situation as we can see it isn't good at finishing the job. Whereas if it were a deck that uses any combo that wins against multiple opponents or really any strategy that affects all opponents at once, it'd be quite lopsided in the favor of the legacy deck.
Elves would be pretty interesting as they can be reasonably interacted with but might be able to hit the ground running before enough removal hits them. After all, if reanimator goes off, they don't win. They have to outnumber the collective removal. Elves aren't 2 for 1ing themselves with trying to speed out getting rid of opponent interaction. Instead, they're just trying to go off and when they do it is often in a way that packs more punch and is harder to deal with than a single griselbrand. Not totally lopsided like breakfast and uses the board but showcases how just a few cards can completely change how a deck can run.
Carl…. Grief says target opponent 🤦♂️
It's OK, I unmasked my opponent in the same turn 🤫 just pretend ilI did them in reverse. I'm not a legacy player 😅
@CardmarketMagic Ahaha its okay you're just showing off a legacy deck that you probably never played before 😅😅
@@CardmarketMagic Wait maybe this is why the Legacy deck lost! Carl=bad?
JK ofc
fnm only play
@@CardmarketMagicNice save! Was wondering about that, ngl, thankfully you had a good cover.
This feels like a raid, I love it, please do more of this.
The raid format, I like it!
@@josuelservinArchenemy but not commander!
Great choice in decks! Clearly doing something powerful, but not something like Oops All Spells where it's literally unbeatable
Random limited optimisation tip that comes to mind at 12:29 , but when using a combination of a burn spell + combat damage, you want to let combat damage happen first, then use the burn spell 2nd so you don't get blown out by removal. (In this case, snuff out is a real possibility).
With eiganjo and similar effects, you want to do it during the end of combat step.
sure
but nice snuff out on 4 life when your opponents know you don't have any in your hand
They can't play it with only 4 life left without dying so either should be fine
At 9:27, when Carl cast Animate Dead on his Archon of Cruelty targeting Phil, Phil did not sacrifice his Topiary Stomper. This became relevant later when Phil cast Sunfall getting a 6/6 Incubate token, counting his Topiary as one of the exiled creatures.
Were it not for this play, Carl would have one extra turn as the flipped Incubate token would only be a 5/5. It still might not change the overall results, but the misplay made the game end at least a turn earlier.
thoralf had a yotian frontliner after the sunfall so it didn't matter
Also they missed a gain 3 life on the second archon he reanimated. When he was at 9 he should have gone to 12
also he just can´t target himself with grief as it says target opponent
After sunfall griselbrand must return to his owner, what did i miss?
@@12Pitt12 does sunfall exile enchantments too? Quite op
Standard rotation is 3 years, not 2 anymore, but this is very sick!
It was 2 years for ever, and I'd be wildly surprised if it doesn't go back to 2 in the next rotation :)
@@CardmarketMagicinteresting, so you are putting something untrue in the video because you are confident it will eventually be true? Bold move
@mayorwestcsgo9923 don't be pedantic please, you and I both know that, to most people, standard means a two year rotation :) it's not because wotc is trying something new that it changes anything about that
@@CardmarketMagic I guess I don't understand. My understanding was that wotc changed when standard rotates. Did they say it's just an experiment and not permanent?
*edit: everything i see indicates it's a permanent change. "starting with the current Standard environment, sets will rotate out of Standard every three years rather than every two years."
@@MayorWestCS2 do you often dunk on people for being a little inaccurate? Cause that must get tiring very often
At 7:00 Carl casts Grief trigger targeting himself even though Grief can only target opponents.
This idea is amazing regardless though and still a lot of fun.
I'm not a legacy player :P you'll have to forgive me. Luckily, it didn't matter, I also had unmask, just pretend I swapped them :) it comes to the same
Oh hell yes, that was incredible!
I love it when you people mess with formats and ways to play the game, you really don't get this type of content anywhere else ♥
Love these crossover episodes with MTGGoldfish!
I was sort of hoping for a turn 1 Cephalid Breakfast but this was a very satisfying game nonetheless! Hope y'all are doing well
We purposely avoided combo decks because it was too much of a meme and yall deserve better 😅 maybe on April fools
Turn 1 is a little early and would need a variant with 2 petals. Turn 2 with force protection on the other hand…
I had, I think, a really cool video idea recently. You play modern (or maybe legacy) with no banned list. Each player builds whatever deck they like, but anytime you play a banned card there is a penalty that neither player knows beforehand.
Could make a randomized list of penalties and make it a game anyone at home can play too!
@@Loki- oh yeah that’s a great idea!
I came here thinking the legacy deck would destroy all of the standard decks but boy was i impressed!
To be fair, Carl punted more or less every turn. He could have drawn 14 the turn griselbrand came in and exhumed either a ghalta to get grief + archon, or double archon, which would have hit into another creature, or Atraxa + archon, or archon + sire of insanity, or Ionia on white + archon, or literally anything besides "pass, play grave titan, pass". Even pass, sire, pass (seriously, why was grave titan there? It hasnt been played in that deck for years) is probably enough.
All he needed to do was not let them activate multiple kill effects on turn 3.
It would have made for a shit video though. Turn 1 griselbrand, archon, sire of insanity / Ionia on white vs 3 decks that can't topdeck any relevant removal until turn 6 at that point just isn't fun.
As somebody who plays reanimator at my LGS, he was definitely throwing, he definitely should have just gone off with the Griseldaddy on turn 1 and just overwhelmed them all immediatly. Also he failed to hit a chancellor of the anex which would have ruined their game plans.
@@Barraind.Faylestar they did say right at the beginning "at least the most powerful we could afford to put together today" so they might've not have all those cards you're talking about. (idk the prices of cards so this is just speculation)
@@peruman95 Sire of insanity is $0.70 and is basically a free win against standard decks (which is a reason i dont fault them for using what they did).
Reanimator is, surprisingly, one of the cheapest decks in that format by far (the more played reanimator builds are $1300 - $1500, where delver variants and beanstalk are hitting 5k again, largely because reanimator only needs 2 or 3 duals unless you want to play the version that runs 6 to turn on sideboard cards that key off basic land types)
@@peruman95 they were referring to Legacy as a format instead of Vintage, not that the Legacy deck would be a budget version.
What a great combo of decks to go up against legacy! Great choices! Provide pressure with red, tempo and threat of counter magic from soldiers, late game power with domain. Beautifully executed gameplan :)
Welcome back guys! Missed you during the holidays but excited for a new year of great content.
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We're back :)
We'll do our best to entertain you this year
The video concepts from you guys just get better and better!
Missed you guys! Good to have you back! Great video as always, keep up the great work!
I missed you guys 😭 glad to be back from the holidays 😊
Great video! Such a good illustration of the different formats. Would have loved a round two!
I'm happy you enjoyed it :D we're glad to be back as well!
That was surprisingly fair! An excellent video
That's also quite lore, imagine theee skilled evil apprentices bullying unexpectedly the older good grand wizard mentor.
Now we need the old grand master seeking revenge with it's vintage deck, please do it! 🙏🏻
7:08 was an illegal play. Grief specifically says "target opponent" not "target player" so Carl would have been unable to discard Archon with it
But he could do that with the unmask he played later in the turn so it didn't matter
He had an unmask in hand which is target player so he could have just cast that on himself and cast the grief targeting Thoralf later in the turn. So while he did make a mistake it had little to no impact on the game
Edit: didn’t see that someone already commented this oops
But did he have the unmask in hand when he did it, I couldn't tell when he revealed his hand and it gave him a draw that if it was unmasked mattered
As both a Legacy & Standard player, enjoyed this showdown immensely! Great video, and awesome to see the collab with Brewer's Kitchen!
This was giving serious yugioh BBT vibes and now I want a whole series of this.
Finally a new video i was looking forward it whole holidays. Happy to see you again. Love it
That was legitimately the magic version of a raid boss ❤ it was awesome
The challenges on this chanel are insane, who thinks of this stuff😂
That was just all around fun, great video guys
Great to have you guys back, hope everyone enjoyed a restful holiday!
I played slot of type 1 in the days before it became regularly referred to as vintage. I have always wanted to try games of stuff like 2 vintage decks versus 3 type 2(standard) decks but never had people willing to humor me with such a format. Thanks so much for making this video so I could get a taste of what I have wanted to try for 20 or more years!
We asked for legacy content, and you said you wernt gonna do it. Yet here we are!!
Loved the video.
Jin gitaxias wouldve been a fun litle target against multiple peopleXD
cheers, was a blast
Loved this match! The back and forth was so exciting!
I would love to see a sequel! Do this again i loved it, very exciting to watch!!! ❤❤
The red deck fullfilling the classic role of the red shirt. Well played 😅
this was honestly inspirational as well as showing a bit of magic powercreep considering archon and atraxa were in the legacy deck :D
Wish this was a best of 3 with sideboards. Wanted the video to keep going!
Wow! Crazy idea, lovely execution!
I'm happy to see you guys are back I love the content. Welcome to 2024
wow when mono red looks like a control deck who gets outspeed xD
It's interesting that this match didn't use the usual 2HG rule of sharing one life total among the allied players. I can't decide if that favors the allies (because they have 3x as much life as their opponent) or hurts them (because they can lose pieces of their action economy when somebody dies).
I want to see more, this was crazy
i love unique playing like this. this is what makes magic fun!
Fun analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
That was very entertaining, thanks guys!
I feel like the reanimator deck can win here if it focuses the control player rather than the aggro player. Also, a combo deck like Cephalid Breakfast (was thinking maybe Doomsday, but losing half your life vs. this much pressure is rough) would probably have been a better choice - you need 60 damage/life loss to win, but only one "win the game" or infinite combo.
The reanimator deck could have very easily won here, Carl was just sandbagging to make things interesting I think. Using griselbrand immediatly would have probably won the game already, but it wouldn't have made much content.
I have missed you guys
We did! I truly hope you enjoy what we have cooked up for this year 😃
Missed y’all! So glad you’re back!
I'm so happy to see u guys are back from your holiday. Welcome back
Thank you! We're happy to be back:D
Awww you should’ve had the number of decks ramping up over time! Would’ve been funny to see a lone standard deck getting stomped
My brain immediately went “try that against Ad Naus Tendrils” lol
very nice, more please!
Amazing video, I was 100% rooting for the standard crew and they just managed to remove enough to get there. This really does an amazing job showing the power difference in the formats.
I'm so glad the content is back!
Still can't BELIEVE you got me rooting for Atraxa and mono red
Awesome video. Maybe next time 2 modern decks vs a legacy deck.
Love the MTGGoldfish crossovers. Need more.
That triple hi-five was the smoothest thing I've ever seen in my entire life
It’s the old: three friends pick on their other friends baby legacy deck. Love it.
I remember getting into 1.5 (legacy) because I couldn’t afford the power of type 1 (vintage) not keeping up with type 2 (standard). I wanted to be able to use all my cards. It was really hard to find people interested back in the day. Crazy how expensive the format is now.
Great game! You should do this again vs other legacy decks like Show & Tell, ANT/TES, Death & Taxes etc.
Yay! Cardmarket is back! :D
Just know I was rooting for you Carl x)
I would like to see a Legacy Life Gain deck, seems that would be the way to just ignore whatever the standard decks are doing.
So ... on their own ... none of the Standard Decks would have survived. Cool video :D
I won’t lie, this combination of decks has me fired up! Not just because a fellow Quebecois (I’m looking at you Carl) is helming a deck, it because three of my fav Germans are trying their best!
Wonderful video. Missed you guys
Nice video, guys, ty!
That was a fun one! Wild idea.
Nice choice on reanimator as the legcy deck. Did you test out some other things for what has the best back and forth play?
While the combo decks likely win it doesnt seem like fun, what do people think would be the other cool decks to see? Sneak and show could be interesting but it might just be playong around leyline binding.
You guys might be the best magic content around, and there is a lot!
That means so much :D thank you!
@@CardmarketMagic I really mean it! I wait for you guys videos all the time, where I want to watch everything you put out. Very clever videos and genius ideas like the ragavan vs lightning bolts 👌🏽 perfection!
Yay, Cardmarket is back! Cool video idea.
I think it was kinda funny how much exile based removal there was to get around the reanimation.
Since you've been playing 3 vs. 1, you should try something like the Archenemy format which has Scheme cards. It would be fun to see Scheme cards do some chaos on the battlefield. :D
This seems like a classic d&d adventure pyromaniac wizard/sorcerer (mono red) fighter (soldier) and bard/Druid (domain) against the ancient (legacy) necromancer (reanimator)
This was a nice choice of decks including Reanimator. I would love to see how Legacy Delver or Initiative or Beanstalk would do against Standard decks. As for combo, probably a much shorter video. Standard decks just wouldn't be able to deal with Legacy Combo decks; Sneak and Show, Cephalid Breakfast, Epic Storm, Doomsday, Oops! All Spells etc. can all win very early and very explosively. There just would not be much a standard deck could do against Force of Will, Daze, free mana acceleration etc.
Carl should be at 12 life at 9:45 from the archon trigger
I've never seen Carl so happy :D
Legacy Deck vs. Two Modern Decks (probably more balanced if they share a life total)
I feel like this goes much differently if the chosen Legacy deck is Doomsday, or Oops All Spells, or Cephalid Breakfast. Anything that's designed to "win the game" rather than "reduce my opponent's life total to 0"
I meant I considered it for half a second, but then I realized that playing a turn 1-2 win deck would make a terrible video :P d'aller deserve better than to be memed on :)
Considering that the reanimator deck is build to kill one opponent as quickly as possible, this was an expected outcome.
Me with three “Academy+Stroke of Genius” turn one decks be like
this is awesome. now i want to see them play against @boshandroll with a control deck
omg yes do more of these that was a really good game. also no fucking way 3 standard decks could beat an really good legacy goblin deck
Idea for a video: Two professional MTG players try to play accurately with a chess clock for tracking priority/time spent.
That would just be MTGO 😅 it's not as special as you might think
@@CardmarketMagic You could make the time limit really low so it's interesting still, like under 10 minutes per player.
That was amazing!!!
Another great video! Huzzah!
I now require this, but with a Vintage deck.
This, a top Vintage deck would be interesting to see
0:21 I thought it was the last three years of cards that go into Standart
Now three stranded decks vs one pauper deck? I’m betting on the pauper deck
To be honest I'm actually impressed that reanimator did as well as it did in the 3v1, it had a pretty nutty draw.
Fele! Poggies. You love to see it!
This makes me wonder if manaless dredge (my pet deck basically) has ever been in a card market video and if not when it will be
The weird part of the expensive decks for Vintage is that 85% of the price is just the lands.
Do you guys have the arch enemy card sets for 3 v 1? Should try that.
I love to see the old school reanimator deck.
I had the extended version of 2001 (basically the same deck) and I got to play in a local LGS christmas tournament. Unlimited players, buy in was a 20.00 gift. There was something like 40+ people there. I took it all, beat every single match, something ridiculous like 11 - 0. Of course back then, the power houses were Verdant Force/Akroma/Multani Maro Sorcerer
and I know it played around with zombie infestation/krovikan horror/squee. Great deck. Still have it built and it will never come apart. Ever. ever.ever.
However, my deck runs the Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur,if this had that, you should have dropped it and ruined their game plan.