Marshall JVM 410H vs Marshall DSL 100HR |High Gain Amp Shootout
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Signal Chain - GUITAR - Korg PitchBlack Pro Tuner - Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer - Dunlop KH95 Kirk Hammett Signature Crybaby Wah - AMP HEAD - Mesa Rectifier Slant 4x12 Cabinet - Neumann TLM 107 Microphone - Vintech Audio VA573 Preamp - API Lunchbox 8 Chassis - Universal Audio Apollo 16b Interface - iMac 27" - Logic Pro X
Guitars Used:
LTD DV8-R Dave Mustaine Signature w/ Gotoh Bridge, Sperzel Locking Tuners, Seymour Duncan Thrash Factor/Jazz Pickups
Gibson Les Paul Custom Showcase Edition w/ Tone Pros Locking Bridge, Sperzel Locking Tuners, and Gibson 500T/496R Pickups
Chapters
00:00 Start
01:19 NO BOOST LTD DV8R
04:19 BOOSTED Gibson Les Paul Custom
07:17 Information and Reaction
JVM all day long !!! It has that that thick Marshall 800 bottom end !!!!
JVM for me this time. It has got that modern metal feel to it that I prefer. DSL feels more compressed. Very nice and seamless comparisons on this channel...and sick riffing!
What a quality comparison. Straight into it. Tonnes of tone. Tasty riffs
Dude, I love my Marshall DSL 100 HR...!!! I crank both master volumes and use the channel volumes to level out the volumes
I do exactly the Same.... The DSL really opens Up and Starts to Shine with the master cranked ( or at least 2 o clock) you could even get great plexi Tones this way... Thought i'm the only one who does this , great to hear that my ears are nit fucked Up and Other people Feel the Same haha
They both sound great and you are spot on, jvm more present dsl more scooped. I really love the dsl and they're surprisingly affordability but the jvm is just godly!
both sound great. that dsl is a killer! great demo
You have made me a new player! Thanks Bill
Every time I see you post a video with the JVM 410 I miss mine a little more, lol. It is such a great amp. The amount of versatility that JVM offers is unreal. That being said, one of my favorite ways to set that up was leave it on the amber/OJ mode of OD1 with the gain set fairly low (I think somewhere around the 9-10 o'clock). Still plenty of gain the riff with, but I thought it would clean up real well with the volume that way.
I wouldn't have thought the interference from lighting and such would be so noticeable between the two, so that's something new I learned. Thanks for the video!
Awesome vid! Great purchasing decider guide!
Great stuff my friend 👍🏻 Happy Thursday!
Great demo 🤘
Thanks for the video, certainly preferred the JVM, sounds more open.
DSL for me... Not because i own one but because it sits so Well in the Mix... I Sounds Like already Mixed and mastered in a Studio 😋🤟 and If you crank the master Volume it really opens Up... Awesome bang for the Buck 🤟
Straight forward and to the point! Gotta go jvm for the crunch... keep up the shootouts.
By far "THE" best amp Demo I've ever seen. Straight up Metal to the point and no bullshit. Just earned yourself a subscriber \m/
Glad you liked it! Welcome! I'd recommend checking out my other High Gain Amp Shootouts... they are all quite similar! Cheers -Ryan
Good job getting them up to shred volume before comparing. We all know that's where the magic happens. Great methodology and comparison. Keep up the amp shootouts.
They both sound great and totally different! JVM sounds really raw and aggressive, the DSL sounds thick and scooped, I can't decide, but I own a JVM... looks like I need that DSL too!!
Amp comparisons aside, you are a fucking sick guitar player. Brutal and fluid all at the same time.
Also tasty, forgot to mention tasty haha
Hmm? I wonder those two mixed ....both sound great...digging the riffs too!
JVM for me. It's got that "gooeyness" that I love but I also think it will punch through the mix better.
The JVM sounds way better, to my ears.
i had 2 DSL40CR and I loved them, so when I was consolidating gear I sold them and bought a DSL100HR. I've been running wet/dry with my JCM800 2203x. So far, so good.
Jvm410h takes my vote here. Thing is a beast!
I really like this vid. I’m fortunate to say that I own both! It’s a bit of a pain to remove one from my full stack and out the other one up haha
Хорошее сравнение 👍
I own a JVM and was surprised of how much I like the DSL from your video. I love the scoop and actually think that for riffing/rhythm playing, it sounds tighter and more evil
Agreed, that's what I heard too
After watching so many of these, you Ryan can make any amp sound good. Boss riffs. Thanks
Both sound sick
Great side-by-side! I've owned both and still have my JVM and a 1960 cab , which is retired to my practice room. The DSL sounds great and sits nicely in a mix, but the JVM has that little "extra" that pokes thru a live mix when it needs to. Since around 99% of my playing is on stage, opposed to studio, the JVM wins. I can make any amp sit in a recorded mix. BTW, the alleged noise from the JVM is just that...alleged. Mine just has a little hiss until I unleash it. Maybe turn the gain down a bit?🤘👽
Yep, very different, I’ll take both
1:19 Oh my god...where is that riff from? Sounds great.
The JVM kicks ass.
I've got the JS version have you tried that? That version has a noisegate built in and is my opinion the best modern Marshall you can get.
The 100 straight up sounds like a jcm 800 and a Recto had seggs and cut thru the mix better imho. That said, both sound fantastic.
Also, you can get used 410h for around 1000-1200. New DSLs are $900. In case anyone was saving up or considering one over the other due to price difference, it's not huge.
used 410h for 1000-1200 ? where'd you see that? if you see that ..jump on it because I've nvr seen anything CLOSE to that
What are you tuned down to it sounds great
I do own both the 410 is very full and cuts through nice live, home studio my jvm and a 6 band mxr can sound to close to call
I have a DSL and bought it practically new for just $484. Here in Europe it's cheaper on a dollar basis, and that was the old pre-inflation and Black Friday price. I don't use it for high gains, I just grabbed the opportunity and I'm happy. I admit that when it comes to high gain, JVM wins for me. It sounds raw and aggressive, but it's a matter of taste. For this I have a copy of the Mesa 2x12 Baltic birch cabinet on Chinese V30. And believe me it sounds. Reduction to 50W is also useful. I would probably choose JVM, but I'm just an amateur and I already have my Marshall ;), and I would pay 3 times more for JVM. Here in Poland it is a lot of money. You can always try used ones, but you know - it can be different with the condition of the tubes, and the choice has already been made. Regards, cheers ;)
The thing with Marshall is that you have to spend a lot to get “that tone”. Never been a fan of the super leads and this video is the nail on the head. JVM IS that sound.
Except for me, I prefer the DSL so the fact that you can get a 100 watt head for $1200 new, which isn't horribly expensive, is AWESOME in my case lol
The DSL has to be the best bang for the buck full size head out there.
It would be interesting to hear the JVM against the 6505+...!
It’s on the list! Cheers -Ryan
The JVM destroys literally any other amp in every department.
@@FEAROWNAGE calm down mate. Good amp but let’s not get carried away 😂😂
The DSL with the Les Paul was sick! Have both and a JCM 800, but the DSL has been the go to. None of them still hold a candle to my Orange Dual Dark 100. A real beast!
Great demo! I actually prefer the thickness of the DSL over the JVM. One thing with the DSL Series too is that they come with just ok tubes. Swapp in a set of Genalex Gold Lion 12AX7's and some Preferred Series EL34's and it will be a lot quiter and sound incredible. I did that with my 40C and it transformed the amp. Running a wampler Tumnus in front and it kills!
Awesome comparo and killer playing Ryan! Both sound great but JVM by a hair for me, big difference in presence un-boosted. Boosted they become MUCH closer.
Honestly, I’m super surprised that I find the DSL sounding better than the JVM in this video. DSL at 1/3 of the cost of the JVM…I’m sold
The jvm sounds a little mid honking and the dsl sounds bass fuzzy to my ears. If you could take both and make a 3 channel that might be something. Just my 2 cents.
What were your JVM settings, if you don't mind? Sounded sick!!
Could not tell you... I change them each time I record. I usually just play around with them until the settings fit what I'm playing. Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar same but man that JVM shines, DSL too gotta love marshalls!
What are your EQ settings on the DSL? Including the Presence and Resonance.
I don’t write down my settings and I constantly change them. The trick I find to the DSL is to make sure your walls are shaking because of the volume. That really opens up the amp and gives you much more control of your EQ. Cheers -Ryan
Damn... that DSL100 double tracked tone...
Both sound amazing. JVM is a lot more versatile though. Comes with a price tag. I have a 2000 tsl 100 and a dsl 50c and even though they both say Marshall they are very different amps. Just like you have showed here. All the amps I have seen on this channel are really dialed in. You make em sound fantastic and the killer riffs don’t hurt either.
Is the Tone Shift on the DSL engaged? I Like it without the Tone Shift... Less scooped... Cheers
Yes it is engaged. Without it it lacks a lot of body. Great when you are not doing high gain, though. Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar First of all : thanx for answering Always that fast🤟 and hahaha... High gain is pretty much all i do haha .. but more in the oldshool way... Like down Pantera black Label society etc... At rehearsal it Sounds much better in my ears ... Maybe i'm crazy and have fucked Up ears 😆
I just bought a DSL and after this video I wish I got a JV
if you can manage to tame fizzyness of DSL with EQ pedal in loop, than I would prefer it over JVM.
Both are great, but I think I prefer DSL to JVM. Could you make a comparison between DSL100HR and DSL100H? Whether is there a big difference?
Unfortunately we only make videos with gear that we own... I only bought the DSL 100HR out of curiosity. Unless I find one for like $300, I don’t think I will pick up a DSL 100H. From everything I’ve read and heard it’s just a slight EQ bump in the High End for the HR and there’s a built in 1960 IR for silent recording. Cheers -Ryan
@@Crypticmaskguitar Thanks for the answer. And what about that ENGL in the background vs anything? :-) By the way do you think I can get a HR sound from my 100H with using e.g. a 6 band eq?
I believe I have an ENGL Invader vs Mesa Dual Rectifier video from last summer. I Own 16 Heads and have 2 other heads from the other guy on this channel. I'm sort of ripping through some shootouts. The ENGL will get some love at some point. It's ALWAYS in the running for my favourite Amp! Usually between that and the VHT Pittbull Ultra Lead... or My Mark IV... or Mark V... or my Super Sonic... or my Road King... or TriAmp... I've got to stop thinking about Amps Hahaha! Cheers -Ryan
JVM has a more flexible tone that would be great in the studio. DSL is for up and coming bands who want a good Marshall sound for their live rigs. That’s how I think of this comparison anyway. I may be biased though, I own a JVM.
410h all the way and for 1500 its a steal pair it with vintage 30s and you have a swiss knive of an amp
i just got a dsh100hr to complement my jvm205 . unlike the 205 and most of the vids of the dsl the bottom end is very sloppy and gooey in an old school sort of vintage power tube overdrive style , lots of push and sag . anything i cando to tighten up ? it does sound good , but its not a tight modern metal type of sound which lots of vids of the amp seem to nail well .
Honestly I just make sure that the Tone Shift is engaged and adjust the Resonance along with the bass. It's a tricky balance sometimes. Also OD 1 if you are not using a boost and OD 2 if you are using a boost. Otherwise OD 2 sounds like a really bad octave pedal. Cheers -Ryan
I need a pair.. JVM for solos and DSL for riffs 😂
The DSL's growl is more my thing tbh.
WOW. This is legit not a "this one is clearly better than the other" situation, this is an actual "both sound amazing but has it's own character" situation.
I actually preferred the DSL, so my future wallet that MIGHT can afford a JVM is happy! Lol XD
Though they both sound great.. the jvm just sounds a little fuller and punchier ..
Marshall of Sweden is off to quite a start, No? What's the pay rate in Vietnam nowadays
They both sound great but it sounds like the jvm would be a better lead amp and the dsl would be better for rythum
The JVM has 6 modes for High Gain and can easily replicate the DSL 100. But they do both sound great! I don’t regret the purchase of either! Cheers -Ryan
I dont blame you. It seems very versatile to where the dsl might need a eq in the loop
The DSL has massive balls on it.
Which one has more low end and gain?
Both have Resonance controls... The DSL's Resonance helps to mimic the old JCM 2000's Deep Switch; However, the JVM 410H can easily replicate and surpass the DSL 100HR with it's multiple settings per channel. I'd go with the JVM 410H any day of the week. BUT the DSL 100HR works well on a light budget! Cheers -Ryan
How is it even possible? That I've listened to your 6505, mesa rectifier and JCM comparison vids. Yet still, the DSL holds the crown 👑🤷
Dsl 100hr is made in Vietnam is it reliable i think jvm410h made in uk is definitely more reliable
No problems with the dsl, they have been around a long time
i made a mistake i bought the dsl hr, big mistake.. see if i can use it as a deposit for the jvm
This really go back to old saying you get what you pay for. The JVM just sounds more superior where the DSL sounds like tin to me. I owned the DSL40cr and all though it was a good amp it always seemed to like something, and I never really considered it a actual Marshall. Now the old JCM 2000 DSL's has that more of a superior Marshall tone as well, Also in my opinion sounds better then the JVM. That's my 2 cents
I can totally agree with the JCM 2000 sounding better than the JVM. I have 6 Marshalls and the JCM 2000 is definitely one of my favourites! Very versatile... pair a Japanese Gretsch with it and it's HEAVEN! Cheers -Ryan
Keep coming back to this video! Can't stop watching it!! Fuckin amazing playing... Ultra brutal stuff, thanks mate! Now... Like you said two different amps the jvm is the top of the range and an amazing amp but don't ditch the dual super lead folks!? If its good enough for dave Murray from maiden and Jon schaffer from iced earth it's good enough for anyone! To be honest I think they would be amazing played together in the same band. The jvm has all the top end and that 800 bottom (but don't get me wrong.. Nothing on the planet comes close to a good 800!!) and the dsl covers all the mid range scoop. Sorry for going on.. Just my two pence worth!
The DSL100HR is lacking midrange, the critical frequency range that defines the sound of an electric guitar. Consequently, it sounds scooped and thin. It could work well for death metal, but for classic rock and classic metal, I'd go with the JVM410H. The more you pay, the more tone Marshall gives you, or, you get what you pay for.
JVM
I own both of these. I like them both but.. there's really no compairison for my ears. especially for leads.. the JVM sings. sustain on the JVM is much more than DSL100hr. The jvm really has that early EVH tone, the DSL doesn't have that. just my personal observations
Try crow🤘
The JVM 410H sounds better here.
JVM djent
DSL death metal
5:00 DSL sounds freaking mean
JVM better, but cost/benefit? I dunno. A new DSL is way under $1,000!!!
Look for a used JVM. Why does one cost so much more than the other one? So many reasons.
jvm mejor sonido yo tengo un dsl y es mas brilloso el sonido el jvm es mas definido
just metal riffing dude??
Look at the title of the video... and watch the intro... where I say "High Gain Amp Shootout". Cheers -Ryan
the JVM is Garbage- I swapped it for an ENGL. the DSL Kills the JVM actually any amp till the JVM makes a good door stop!
I agree. Have had DSL100HR and JVM410H together. After a few weeks testing JVM had to leave, DSL stayed and I still have it.
Ok so I'm newish to good amps. Aka tube amps. N proud owner of non. But if I did buy the JVM 410h. What marshall cabinet would you recommend? I was thinking the marsahll 1936 150 watt? Or what you 🤔. Plz n thanks for your time
I’m quite partial to 4x12 cabinets… but that’s more for recording purposes. It’s always good to have more speakers to choose to mic from. 1936 would probably work well for you! Cheers -Ryan