I own two 410s, and a DSL 50, and have them all still. Ive owned my first JVM over a year, and it sounds really good, but if I lost it, I wouldnt replace it. I got a chance to buy another at a good price, knowing that all high gain amps vary in tone from amp to amp, with some amps varying a lot. The newer one I just got is amazing. I own over 12 different high gain heads, and now this JVM410 is one of my favorites of all my heads, while I would never say that before with the first one that I owned. Just goes to show the vast differences that occur in amps.
I own both and they’re both amazing TSL is a mid range monster that cuts through and is loud as hell, the crunch channel with a good overdrive and speakers really scream! The JVM on the OD orange and red mode sounds like the world is coming to an end! Plus it has the best designed and most versatile foot switch, plus the solo boost and ability to change so many sounds with the press of a button, plus the guitar chord for the switch is genius Overall for me the JVM wins do to its versatility, but the clarity and power of the TSL makes it an equal contender
That has always been my description for the TSL, it just cuts and slices through the mix like few amps I've ever played. So many good amps seem to be a little buried in the mix and things just get muddy if I try to crank it more, that is NEVER the case with my TSL. It just slices through the base and drums with such clarity. I'm not saying the JVM does not (I don't even have one yet). I'm just saying that is the biggest characteristic of a TSL compared to other Marshalls. When I play a DSL and TSL without the band they sound practically the same. When the bass and drums are going I can tell the TSL cuts through way better.
@@ExperienceEric most definitely the TSL just pushes through everything with the volume on 3. The JVM doesn’t cut quite as strongly but it shakes the floor on those high gain settings. I love both equally
I have a TSL100 since 2014, in early/mid-2020 I have been GASing for a JVM410H intensively. So I finally bought one just to realise that - after I’ve got my JVM - that the TSL sounds so much better! 😜
The JVM has a lot more saturation, which would be great for leads, it almost has the cocked wah sound of the EVH 5150III red channel, the TSL would be better for rhythms as it will cut through the mix better. no winner or loser here. Cheers
TSL sounded better with the SD compared with the JVM with. But on the other hand, JVM sounded better than the TSL without the SD. The lead on both without with the ZW-pedal are two really great tones. The pedal tightened it nice though. In conclusion, the JVM delivers a bit more gain. I would pick the TSL but would be happy with the JVM as well. 🍻
great video, Euge. This comparisons is killer, thanks for your thoughts on them. Your conclusions are always the favorite. 🤘🏼Would love to hear your thought on other Mark series Mesa's and the boogie you kept, which was awesome. Or maybe even the new badlander as you said you aren’t a fan of rectos....
@@EugeValovirta230V can you try the TSL at some point also with a guitar with passive humbuckers? Your EMGs kick ass...I am playing the TSL with JB4s on a Jackson KV1 and with Gibson 496R/500T pups on a Flying V but I seem to luck that "crispy" part of the tone with both, although I can get close enough with an overdrive or with an eq-pedal...just being curious...:)
Though some might find the TSL a bit too aggressive and modern sounding for a Marshall i find it perfect for rythms. It's just a tad tighter than other Marshalls
Yeah, this demonstration shows the 2000 to have more punch but I’ve been able to get as much or as little as I need with the right stomps out front and through the fx loop, also the JVM true cleans are stellar, we didn’t hear that in this comparison Both great heads, sure the 800 is the one trick pony we all love to ride, I do have a ‘82 jcm800 full stack, my first Marshall Also the Plexis are great the 1959 super leads are a favorite , I haven’t found a bad Marshall JTM45 Marshall for me Mesa mark series pretty close second
Nice man... good comparison. I've owned my JVM410 for a maybe 7 or 8 years now, love it. I am sometimes tempted in getting a JCM2000 DSL as a 2nd Marshall...
I have a UK made JCM 2000 Dsl used for $650. It's amazing but everyone agrees the Lead 2 channel is fizzy. if I could do it all over again, I'd just get the 50 watt JVM because my taste is super modern metal.
Great!!! And thats because i still have mine TSL. Great amp but it need to be pushed in front. Btw even the Peavey JSX (with the kt77 tubes) beats down the Marshall JVM Satriani signature as a studio recording machine. Great cleans and lots of tight gain like Triple XXX.
I had 3 TSL100's over the years and owned a JVM 410 for more than 12 years and can honestly say I prefer the TSL 100. But it's one of those Marshalls that you have to crank, it makes a whole lot of difference. Not so much with the JVM. To me the JVM has more upper treble and the mids don't sound as meaty as the TSL (I call it thinner sounding) , maybe because the TSL has more lower mids, I don't know... I always used the deep switches on every channel of the TSL (I prefer it over the resonance control on the JVM, it sounds different). The JVM is also way more noisy than the TSL. I like to say that the TSL was the last Marshall that had "balls".. After that, they had more gain but sounded thinner. Maybe the output transformer has something to do with this..again, I don't know.
Yeah TSL is a fantastic amp and I have the deep switch always on on the od channels. More balls that way 😎. There’s a sweet spot with the master on most tube amps when they just starts to roar. That’s the case especially with older Marshalls. And when they roar oh boy it’s like 💪👊👌.
Really interesting comparison! I think I prefer the TSL, which surprised me. If you're interested in modded Marshalls, I'd love to work on one for you!
Thanks Eddy! Yeah I prefer the TSL too. I'm really happy with my non-modded ones but if I feel I need one I'll contact you ;-). Your Arcturus mod sounded pretty damn good \m/.
Greetings from Nova Scotia I just stumbled upon this video and your channel randomly and I’m now a subscriber! Great video and I agree 100% that the TSL just sounds better, I have a TSL 60 head I bought brand new in 03-04 and have never had an issue with it and always got compliments on my tone both for metal amd blues style stuff boosted with an mxr distortion + and more recently a fulltone OCD and I absolutely love the tone and if it wasn’t for a spinal injury I would probably never would have thought of using anything else but not being able to lift my amp or the speaker cab has led me the the digital modeling world and with a line 6 HX Stomp and a power cab 112 I now have a full rig in a package that I can actually move with little to no help and I was absolutely shocked by the quality of the amp sims and the UniVibe is spot on but my Marshall TSL60H and matching 1936 2x12 cab and analog pedals that add that extra 5% to make it sound like me will be staying home for my own enjoyment proving that a 20 year tube amp journey can lead to the digital modeling world and that both can bring the same amount of enjoyment and with time can both be tweaked to sound like yourself making your guitar sing with the voice of your fingers..... now if only Marshall would team up with Line 6 like Revv did to help make official Marshall helix models.... I know but a guy can dream Eh?
Cheers man and thanks! TSL is a fantastic amp indeed 👌. Yeah that digital stuff is pretty damn good nowadays. I haven’t used a real amp live since 2017 and I’m very happy with my rig that basically fits into a backpack 😎. I did a video about it if your interested: ua-cam.com/video/B0A6s9M-fPQ/v-deo.html
They’re both great amps I have both. The TSL has a neat way of letting you hear the differences of different guitars you plug into it. The JVM though eliminated a lot of the shortcomings the TSL has . Both great amps but the JVM does it all!
@@tgchan There really isn’t anything that I dislike about the JVM410H, though at one point it seemed to be better with a noise gate because it can be such a gain monster, depending how it’s setup. I had a guitar that sounded abysmal through every amplifier at home and spent way too much time trying redial them all just to be remotely satisfied with that particular guitar. I sort of accidentally found my “Zen” after going back to basic settings with the JVM and the mated speaker cabinet. I was stoked that a couple of guitars that previously just sounded okay to me sound really good now. I was considering getting the new Bogner Uber Ultra but couldn’t decide if a different one should be re-homed to make room. I bought a KHE amp/cab switcher to run everything through the 2 favorite cabinets and was able to dial everything else in better on the other amplifiers. I also noticed that the JVM didn’t need a noise gate any more than the other amps. Perhaps my favorite thing about the JVM410H is the versatility that it has between the channels and modes. Just cycle through them all and it’s fairly apparent what tones you can get without overthinking it. I have a couple of amplifiers and it sometimes feels like a hearing test, tweaking stuff in and trying to pick up on differences that I can barely notice. Comparing and contrasting the JVM to the other amplifiers through the same cabinets made me like it even more.
@@davej8045 Thank you very much for sharing your experience with it. How is the master volume on that beast? Can you play in a middle of the night with it?
@@tgchan You are welcome...I can't say that I've tried the (410's) volume down quite that much since I bought it. Comparatively, I ran the JVM210H through an attenuator into a Marshall 1936 lead 2X12 cabinet to try to push it to give me the right feel and not go deaf. I did try the 410 with the same attenuator but couldn't notice much of a benefit, most likely because it felt a lot better to me already without pushing it. Also, my Mesa B. TC-100 has a built in attenuator and the system volume on my Friedman BE-100 D. does seem to be a little better than the rest. Now that I'm mostly running everything through a 4X12 or a deep vertical 2X12, I have the volumes at roughly the same perceived level. The Mezzabarba Trinity 100 master volumes are on the back along with some other knobs but I'm good with how everything is dialed. I brought up the volumes of the other amps to be relatively close to the Mezz. From the standpoint of being able to practice late, I have to have the volume louder than the resonation of my strings, which in my situation would most likely wake up the girlfriend upstairs.
Used to own a JVM 210h and just couldn't get it to work for me. Had too much gain and just would get especially over compressed with my SD-1. I own a TSL 100 now and it's bad to the bone with its crunchy mean sound. You make both of them sound really good though.
I always to see people s&%ting on the TSL but I thought it actually sounded pretty kickass here! And I love the JVM410 so I'm pleasantly surprised here. I think I'm going have to go against the grain on a lot of folks when it comes to Marshall amps. If people say it's bad I should check it out, lol.
The sound engineer my band mostly hires says that I got my best sound when I used the TSL 100. To name some of the amps I had : Marshalls 800 2203, 2204, Jubilee 2555, 800 KK, 900 SL-X, JVM 410 (he had one of these himself and was surprised I got a better sound with the TSL) . I also used a Fryette Sig X, Peavey 6505+, Engl Blackmore (he liked this one)... Never used my modded Marshall 1959 slp when he was behind the mixing console though.. The last time he worked with us I used my Friedman BE 100 Deluxe and he said he still preferred me using the Marshall TSL100...
For the jvm410h. Where you using the green channels on all channels? Or the amber/orange for the heavier. I have a boss sd 1 pedal myself, because of you btw 🤘
Hey Euge!! A great Video again but i have a question :) In your Videos, you use just Marshall or a Fryette! :) What is with other amps ? Maybe a Hughes and Kettner or better : a peavey? :) I hope you and youre family are healthy and i hope the next Tour makes a stop in nuremberg or munich! :)
Helps me remember from ownig both. Tsl way more raw, warm and organice the jvm way more cold sterile and fuzzy. I like the jvm for the brootz but the tsl with the right boost will tear your face off and has a better feel and more organic tone \m/
TBH, I had no idea a marshall could handle the downtuning before seeing your vids. I was always a MESA guy, you've definitely converted me. I have a A Boss MT-2 kicking about, I might see what I can do with that to tighten up the tone (Most people have trouble dialing in the tone for the MT-2).
To me Boogies has always been the nice ”Santana” - style smooth sounding heads with scooped mids etc. and Marshall has always been the mean sounding tight rock & metal machines but that’s just me 😎.
For me growing up, most of my heroes played the Mark series and the dual and triple rectifiers. That massive wall of sound, but now I'm after that more mids based OD/ dist. I used to associate Marshall with the likes of GNR and AC/DC, more rock than metal & not that I didn't think they don't rock!(Didn't realise that Kerry King or Gary Holt played Marshall). It wasn't till recently that I knew Santana used the Tweed MESA'. I love santana's tone!.
Mine played Marshalls 😎: Eddie, Randy Rhoads, Gary Moore, Zakk Wylde, Hetfield (he used JCM800 on the earlier albums), Slash etc etc. . And of course Kerry & Hanneman; Reign In Blood, South Of Heaven & Seasons In The Abyss had a big impact on me when I was a kid.
@@EugeValovirta230V all the legends!. Gary Moore really changed the way I looked at the blues and the way he took it to a heavy rock area, but still kept it as the blues (Eddie took the basis of the blues and took it somewhere completely different). Hell, he almost ended up touring for Ozzy, but had a skate board accident. Those 3 Slayer albums are a metal staple, they were pretty much required listening when I started to metal in the mid 90's, along with Early Metallica. I'll have to revisit those marshall days for a lot of those artists. My big influences for MESA are Dream Theatre, Metallica (despite the muddy production, the proggy writing for Justice is phenomenal), Behemoth and one of my biggest heroes, Devin Townsend.
I can assume that even if the amp is NOT switched with the Tonebone, The amp stills sees the Re active load? So if the JCM 800 is Switched on, The JVM Still gets a load from the Suhr?
I like the tsl...hey man , whats you opinion of tung-sol tubes?....do they provide more bite and aggressive preamp distortion?...thinking about switching to tung sol power and preamp tubes in my mesa dual rec head....
I like then in power amp but for preamp they are a bit too bright for my taste. I prefer JJECC83S for preamp 👌. But in Mesa they could work better than in Marshalls.
Hey Euge, hope all is well brother.... just going through some old videos of yours for some more inspiration! I had a question on the tubes... I need to retube my JVM410, the tubes are almost 8 years old. But I was curious about the ENGL tubes, aren't they rebranded JJ's? or so i've read... and the older ENGL tubes where Shuguang ECC83.... so I was wondering if you could maybe answer this for me.... thanks for all the great video's brother!
Euge you say the jcm800 2203 is your favourite amp but with the way you talk about the TSL it sounds like it might be closing in on the 2203. I also wonder why your jcm800 2203 sounds better than my jmp 2203 with mesa preamp tubes and ruby el34's ?
Yes it is 💪. TSL is great also but there’s only one King 😎. All Marshalls (especially the older ones) sound different from each other which could be a blessing and a curse 😊. JMP 2203s are generally a bit smoother than the horizontal input 800 2203s.
I traded a shitty DSL 40C vs DSL401 JCM 2000 😆😆👍👍 Man the Crunch Channel on this Combo is soo good. Also own DSL5O ans TSL100 plus a jcm900 MkIII. Love all of them! But the Dsl401 JCM 2000 with half Open Back and G12 H30 70th sounds phenomenal also on room volume Levels.
I've always thought the JVM sounds more like a plug-in or a line-6 than an actual amp. It doesn't have that amp-like body. Sounds decent with a mic, but live in the room it just doesn't have that thing.
You should had (or if you already did) swap the power tubes on the TSL. My TSL sounded so so so good (during my "band" days). I loved it. A few years ago, I sold it (personal), but I wished I didn't.
@@EugeValovirta230V mine has Svetlana Power Amp and Ruby Tubes 12AX 7AC5 HG and in V1 Ruby HG+. Ruby tubes where the Tubes ,that where Standard with TSL . Before there where some Marshall 12AX7. Ruby Sound bit better ;)
I just got a JVM after having the TSL for 4 years and I would say the JVM wins. I got rid of all my pedals in front and it's just my guitar into the JVM. I could never get the fizz out of the Lead channel on the TSL. I smiled right away when I hit a chord on the JVM.
@@ExperienceEric Exactly! The key to using the TSL is use the crunch channel as your rhythm sound. Play it loud (past 4) and use the deep switch. You want more gain? Use a boost pedal (try one that adds a bit of high mids to the sound). Use the lead channel only for solo's (and use the deep switch to fatten it up). I was disappointed when I got my JVM, I hoped it would be a 4 channel TSL.
Agreed. The TSL Lead channel sounds great on solos but not so good on power chords. I could get great results even on milder solos like 'Who's Cryin' Now.' For me, the TSL Clean channel is passable but it's always way too ‘spanky,' like Marshall wants it to sound like a country Fender amp. Now the Crunch channel is just about perfect! It sounds just as good to me as the DSL or the Vintage Modern.
Your videos are awesome! For 80s style metal Rhythm Guitar (Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Accept etc) which one is the better amp in your opinion? TSL100 or JVM410
Clean channels are both too dirty. Not clean at all - it is pickups. To me they both sound very bad. MAybe with PAFS would be much better, but have an impression cleans are not the greatest on those amps. Hi gains in 800 style. I always look for amp that does Plexi and 800 thing, but they both are unable to do that judging from this demo.
Ohh what a difference just only of the tubes changes, amazing! I just did not understand clearly, nor the translater understand what is the new tubes placed on the TSL, so if anybody can write is here, I can really appriciate it :)
Jvm would be my choice .make sure the masters are open on the jvm it sounds way better like that you may find that aggression . I have a jvm and I like how good the eq is way better than a 800and volume management is way easier with a jvm than on a 800
I think the goal of the JVM was to build a JCM800 that was already modded with an internal boost pedal. So it's actually not based on the TSL. Regret selling my TSL now. Never thought of using OD pedals with tube amps back then.
L O I was in the same boat! Had no idea about boost pedalling until about 3yrs ago. Sold my TSL and then begged the guy to sell it back me after buying the 410. Now I can’t dump the 410 but I do have two TSL100’s! Btw the tsl60 and tsl100 are two completely different sounding amps (sry if you knew that already)
L O between you and I the tsl100 is Marshall’s answer the the trip. rec. (Only my opinion, others may think differently) so it’s voiced lower and as Euge puts it “more angry sounding” and I think that turns a ton of ‘marshall’ people off. I personally love it. If you like Fear Factory, Lamb of God, Ministry type grind the TSL100 is your beast with a boost pedal (not the 60watt!!!! I had one of those also..sold it.)JVM is a Dad Marshall. Seems to be missing....balls or something. I can find very similar sounds out of different amps for not $1800 (used) in Canada. I just can’t put my finger on it yet. My Best analogy I can come up with is: jvm/jcm800 2205-2210. TSL100/jcm800 2203 (like Euge’s) the TSL is just plain ‘meaner’.
The jvm does classic rock sounds better imo but for death or thrash metal i'd go with the tsl. They are not the most popular amps but i really like them.
Best review yet! Our gear and amp setups are very similar. It’s great to get a good representation of both of those amps along side of the 2203.
Thanks! Oh cool! 🤘
I own two 410s, and a DSL 50, and have them all still. Ive owned my first JVM over a year, and it sounds really good, but if I lost it, I wouldnt replace it. I got a chance to buy another at a good price, knowing that all high gain amps vary in tone from amp to amp, with some amps varying a lot. The newer one I just got is amazing. I own over 12 different high gain heads, and now this JVM410 is one of my favorites of all my heads, while I would never say that before with the first one that I owned. Just goes to show the vast differences that occur in amps.
I own both and they’re both amazing
TSL is a mid range monster that cuts through and is loud as hell, the crunch channel with a good overdrive and speakers really scream!
The JVM on the OD orange and red mode sounds like the world is coming to an end! Plus it has the best designed and most versatile foot switch, plus the solo boost and ability to change so many sounds with the press of a button, plus the guitar chord for the switch is genius
Overall for me the JVM wins do to its versatility, but the clarity and power of the TSL makes it an equal contender
That has always been my description for the TSL, it just cuts and slices through the mix like few amps I've ever played. So many good amps seem to be a little buried in the mix and things just get muddy if I try to crank it more, that is NEVER the case with my TSL. It just slices through the base and drums with such clarity.
I'm not saying the JVM does not (I don't even have one yet). I'm just saying that is the biggest characteristic of a TSL compared to other Marshalls.
When I play a DSL and TSL without the band they sound practically the same. When the bass and drums are going I can tell the TSL cuts through way better.
@@ExperienceEric most definitely the TSL just pushes through everything with the volume on 3. The JVM doesn’t cut quite as strongly but it shakes the floor on those high gain settings. I love both equally
Another great demo ! Thanks Euge!
Thanks man!
I have a TSL100 since 2014, in early/mid-2020 I have been GASing for a JVM410H intensively. So I finally bought one just to realise that - after I’ve got my JVM - that the TSL sounds so much better! 😜
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You got good ears. I had the same experience.
I did the same but after playing the jvm I realised it's many levels above my tsl as far as what it can do
Picking up a TSL today, thanks so much for your videos! Best ones I could find on the JCM2000s
Cool! Glad to hear! Thanks!
Don’t sleep on the TSL. It sounds amazing. I love mine!!!
The JVM has a lot more saturation, which would be great for leads, it almost has the cocked wah sound of the EVH 5150III red channel, the TSL would be better for rhythms as it will cut through the mix better. no winner or loser here. Cheers
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TSL sounded better with the SD compared with the JVM with. But on the other hand, JVM sounded better than the TSL without the SD. The lead on both without with the ZW-pedal are two really great tones. The pedal tightened it nice though. In conclusion, the JVM delivers a bit more gain. I would pick the TSL but would be happy with the JVM as well. 🍻
Indeed 🤘👍
Your face cinema, when you play the really hard riffs, is priceless.
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great video, Euge. This comparisons is killer, thanks for your thoughts on them. Your conclusions are always the favorite. 🤘🏼Would love to hear your thought on other Mark series Mesa's and the boogie you kept, which was awesome. Or maybe even the new badlander as you said you aren’t a fan of rectos....
Thanks man! Glad to hear! Yeah it’d be cool to try that out. Hopefully some day 😎.
Keep up with the comparisons!!! Brilliant job man....lets fix the JCM2000 TSL reputation....:)
Thanks! Indeed 😊🤘
@@EugeValovirta230V can you try the TSL at some point also with a guitar with passive humbuckers? Your EMGs kick ass...I am playing the TSL with JB4s on a Jackson KV1 and with Gibson 496R/500T pups on a Flying V but I seem to luck that "crispy" part of the tone with both, although I can get close enough with an overdrive or with an eq-pedal...just being curious...:)
Sure! Will add to my to do - list. Luckily I have one guitar with passive bridge humbucker (Tokai Strat).
Though some might find the TSL a bit too aggressive and modern sounding for a Marshall i find it perfect for rythms. It's just a tad tighter than other Marshalls
Great amp and especially the clean channel is just 👌.
Yeah, this demonstration shows the 2000 to have more punch but I’ve been able to get as much or as little as I need with the right stomps out front and through the fx loop, also the
JVM true cleans are stellar, we didn’t hear that in this comparison
Both great heads, sure the 800 is the one trick pony we all love to ride, I do have a ‘82 jcm800 full stack, my first Marshall
Also the Plexis are great the 1959 super leads are a favorite , I haven’t found a bad Marshall JTM45
Marshall for me Mesa mark series pretty close second
Nice man... good comparison. I've owned my JVM410 for a maybe 7 or 8 years now, love it. I am sometimes tempted in getting a JCM2000 DSL as a 2nd Marshall...
Thanks! The original UK made JCM2000 DSL is really good. The new far east made DSLs are OK but...😎
I have a UK made JCM 2000 Dsl used for $650. It's amazing but everyone agrees the Lead 2 channel is fizzy. if I could do it all over again, I'd just get the 50 watt JVM because my taste is super modern metal.
Thank you for info about tubes!
You’re welcome. Thanks!
Great!!! And thats because i still have mine TSL. Great amp but it need to be pushed in front. Btw even the Peavey JSX (with the kt77 tubes) beats down the Marshall JVM Satriani signature as a studio recording machine. Great cleans and lots of tight gain like Triple XXX.
Cool! Indeed 🤘
I had 3 TSL100's over the years and owned a JVM 410 for more than 12 years and can honestly say I prefer the TSL 100. But it's one of those Marshalls that you have to crank, it makes a whole lot of difference. Not so much with the JVM.
To me the JVM has more upper treble and the mids don't sound as meaty as the TSL (I call it thinner sounding) , maybe because the TSL has more lower mids, I don't know... I always used the deep switches on every channel of the TSL (I prefer it over the resonance control on the JVM, it sounds different). The JVM is also way more noisy than the TSL. I like to say that the TSL was the last Marshall that had "balls".. After that, they had more gain but sounded thinner. Maybe the output transformer has something to do with this..again, I don't know.
Yeah TSL is a fantastic amp and I have the deep switch always on on the od channels. More balls that way 😎. There’s a sweet spot with the master on most tube amps when they just starts to roar. That’s the case especially with older Marshalls. And when they roar oh boy it’s like 💪👊👌.
Really interesting comparison! I think I prefer the TSL, which surprised me. If you're interested in modded Marshalls, I'd love to work on one for you!
Thanks Eddy! Yeah I prefer the TSL too. I'm really happy with my non-modded ones but if I feel I need one I'll contact you ;-). Your Arcturus mod sounded pretty damn good \m/.
@@EugeValovirta230V Thanks, mate! Your 800s boosted sound killer! I prefer the feel of a modded one and the top end can be made a bit smoother...
Thanks! I just love the aggressive sound, and the top end of OG 800 👌👊.
Greetings from Nova Scotia I just stumbled upon this video and your channel randomly and I’m now a subscriber! Great video and I agree 100% that the TSL just sounds better, I have a TSL 60 head I bought brand new in 03-04 and have never had an issue with it and always got compliments on my tone both for metal amd blues style stuff boosted with an mxr distortion + and more recently a fulltone OCD and I absolutely love the tone and if it wasn’t for a spinal injury I would probably never would have thought of using anything else but not being able to lift my amp or the speaker cab has led me the the digital modeling world and with a line 6 HX Stomp and a power cab 112 I now have a full rig in a package that I can actually move with little to no help and I was absolutely shocked by the quality of the amp sims and the UniVibe is spot on but my Marshall TSL60H and matching 1936 2x12 cab and analog pedals that add that extra 5% to make it sound like me will be staying home for my own enjoyment proving that a 20 year tube amp journey can lead to the digital modeling world and that both can bring the same amount of enjoyment and with time can both be tweaked to sound like yourself making your guitar sing with the voice of your fingers..... now if only Marshall would team up with Line 6 like Revv did to help make official Marshall helix models.... I know but a guy can dream Eh?
Cheers man and thanks!
TSL is a fantastic amp indeed 👌.
Yeah that digital stuff is pretty damn good nowadays. I haven’t used a real amp live since 2017 and I’m very happy with my rig that basically fits into a backpack 😎. I did a video about it if your interested: ua-cam.com/video/B0A6s9M-fPQ/v-deo.html
They’re both great amps I have both. The TSL has a neat way of letting you hear the differences of different guitars you plug into it. The JVM though eliminated a lot of the shortcomings the TSL has . Both great amps but the JVM does it all!
If you could only have one based on tone alone, JVM then? I passed on the TSL and bought a JVM210H a decade ago and recently upgraded to the JVM410H.
@@davej8045 any update on your jvm410h? Things you like and do not?
@@tgchan There really isn’t anything that I dislike about the JVM410H, though at one point it seemed to be better with a noise gate because it can be such a gain monster, depending how it’s setup. I had a guitar that sounded abysmal through every amplifier at home and spent way too much time trying redial them all just to be remotely satisfied with that particular guitar. I sort of accidentally found my “Zen” after going back to basic settings with the JVM and the mated speaker cabinet. I was stoked that a couple of guitars that previously just sounded okay to me sound really good now. I was considering getting the new Bogner Uber Ultra but couldn’t decide if a different one should be re-homed to make room. I bought a KHE amp/cab switcher to run everything through the 2 favorite cabinets and was able to dial everything else in better on the other amplifiers. I also noticed that the JVM didn’t need a noise gate any more than the other amps. Perhaps my favorite thing about the JVM410H is the versatility that it has between the channels and modes. Just cycle through them all and it’s fairly apparent what tones you can get without overthinking it. I have a couple of amplifiers and it sometimes feels like a hearing test, tweaking stuff in and trying to pick up on differences that I can barely notice. Comparing and contrasting the JVM to the other amplifiers through the same cabinets made me like it even more.
@@davej8045 Thank you very much for sharing your experience with it. How is the master volume on that beast? Can you play in a middle of the night with it?
@@tgchan You are welcome...I can't say that I've tried the (410's) volume down quite that much since I bought it. Comparatively, I ran the JVM210H through an attenuator into a Marshall 1936 lead 2X12 cabinet to try to push it to give me the right feel and not go deaf. I did try the 410 with the same attenuator but couldn't notice much of a benefit, most likely because it felt a lot better to me already without pushing it. Also, my Mesa B. TC-100 has a built in attenuator and the system volume on my Friedman BE-100 D. does seem to be a little better than the rest. Now that I'm mostly running everything through a 4X12 or a deep vertical 2X12, I have the volumes at roughly the same perceived level. The Mezzabarba Trinity 100 master volumes are on the back along with some other knobs but I'm good with how everything is dialed. I brought up the volumes of the other amps to be relatively close to the Mezz. From the standpoint of being able to practice late, I have to have the volume louder than the resonation of my strings, which in my situation would most likely wake up the girlfriend upstairs.
Used to own a JVM 210h and just couldn't get it to work for me. Had too much gain and just would get especially over compressed with my SD-1. I own a TSL 100 now and it's bad to the bone with its crunchy mean sound. You make both of them sound really good though.
Both are great amps and the gain control on both is there for a reason 😊.
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Love your playing and accent!!!
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@@EugeValovirta230V watching a string of your videos today!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Cool! 🤘🎼🎸🙏
I always to see people s&%ting on the TSL but I thought it actually sounded pretty kickass here! And I love the JVM410 so I'm pleasantly surprised here. I think I'm going have to go against the grain on a lot of folks when it comes to Marshall amps. If people say it's bad I should check it out, lol.
Thanks! Yeah TSL is great! And JVM. And Marshall’s in general 💪👊😎.
The sound engineer my band mostly hires says that I got my best sound when I used the TSL 100. To name some of the amps I had : Marshalls 800 2203, 2204, Jubilee 2555, 800 KK, 900 SL-X, JVM 410 (he had one of these himself and was surprised I got a better sound with the TSL) . I also used a Fryette Sig X, Peavey 6505+, Engl Blackmore (he liked this one)... Never used my modded Marshall 1959 slp when he was behind the mixing console though.. The last time he worked with us I used my Friedman BE 100 Deluxe and he said he still preferred me using the Marshall TSL100...
Both are great. I’ll go with the JVM cause I already have an aggressive amp 🤟🏼
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For the jvm410h. Where you using the green channels on all channels? Or the amber/orange for the heavier. I have a boss sd 1 pedal myself, because of you btw 🤘
It’s been quite a while since I shot this video so I don’t remember anymore. It isn’t ”viewable” on the video?
That’s the way! 😎💪
@@EugeValovirta230V oh ok. Hard to see the color of the lights. But I'll check it out again... it is the way!😎🤘
Pas une grosse différence entre les deux, merci beaucoup pour ce test
Hey Euge!! A great Video again but i have a question :)
In your Videos, you use just Marshall or a Fryette! :)
What is with other amps ? Maybe a Hughes and Kettner or better : a peavey? :)
I hope you and youre family are healthy and i hope the next Tour makes a stop in nuremberg or munich!
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Thanks!
I use the amps I have 👍.
All good thanks!
Helps me remember from ownig both. Tsl way more raw, warm and organice the jvm way more cold sterile and fuzzy. I like the jvm for the brootz but the tsl with the right boost will tear your face off and has a better feel and more organic tone \m/
TBH, I had no idea a marshall could handle the downtuning before seeing your vids. I was always a MESA guy, you've definitely converted me. I have a A Boss MT-2 kicking about, I might see what I can do with that to tighten up the tone (Most people have trouble dialing in the tone for the MT-2).
To me Boogies has always been the nice ”Santana” - style smooth sounding heads with scooped mids etc. and Marshall has always been the mean sounding tight rock & metal machines but that’s just me 😎.
For me growing up, most of my heroes played the Mark series and the dual and triple rectifiers. That massive wall of sound, but now I'm after that more mids based OD/ dist. I used to associate Marshall with the likes of GNR and AC/DC, more rock than metal & not that I didn't think they don't rock!(Didn't realise that Kerry King or Gary Holt played Marshall). It wasn't till recently that I knew Santana used the Tweed MESA'. I love santana's tone!.
Mine played Marshalls 😎: Eddie, Randy Rhoads, Gary Moore, Zakk Wylde, Hetfield (he used JCM800 on the earlier albums), Slash etc etc. . And of course Kerry & Hanneman; Reign In Blood, South Of Heaven & Seasons In The Abyss had a big impact on me when I was a kid.
@@EugeValovirta230V all the legends!. Gary Moore really changed the way I looked at the blues and the way he took it to a heavy rock area, but still kept it as the blues (Eddie took the basis of the blues and took it somewhere completely different). Hell, he almost ended up touring for Ozzy, but had a skate board accident.
Those 3 Slayer albums are a metal staple, they were pretty much required listening when I started to metal in the mid 90's, along with Early Metallica. I'll have to revisit those marshall days for a lot of those artists.
My big influences for MESA are Dream Theatre, Metallica (despite the muddy production, the proggy writing for Justice is phenomenal), Behemoth and one of my biggest heroes, Devin Townsend.
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I can assume that even if the amp is NOT switched with the Tonebone, The amp stills sees the Re active load? So if the JCM 800 is Switched on, The JVM Still gets a load from the Suhr?
I like the tsl...hey man , whats you opinion of tung-sol tubes?....do they provide more bite and aggressive preamp distortion?...thinking about switching to tung sol power and preamp tubes in my mesa dual rec head....
I like then in power amp but for preamp they are a bit too bright for my taste. I prefer JJECC83S for preamp 👌.
But in Mesa they could work better than in Marshalls.
Hey Euge, hope all is well brother.... just going through some old videos of yours for some more inspiration! I had a question on the tubes... I need to retube my JVM410, the tubes are almost 8 years old. But I was curious about the ENGL tubes, aren't they rebranded JJ's? or so i've read... and the older ENGL tubes where Shuguang ECC83.... so I was wondering if you could maybe answer this for me.... thanks for all the great video's brother!
All good thanks! Yeah I think they’re JJs 👌.
I just never get why people use boost or od pedals when doing amp tone demo's?
JVM all day
You’ve got quite a bit of clutter to really hear what these amps sound like.
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According to you, which is the brighter amplifier between JVM410H and JCM 2000?
Can’t remember but probably quite the same depending how bright one dials them 😎.
Euge you say the jcm800 2203 is your favourite amp but with the way you talk about the TSL it sounds like it might be closing in on the 2203. I also wonder why your jcm800 2203 sounds better than my jmp 2203 with mesa preamp tubes and ruby el34's ?
Yes it is 💪.
TSL is great also but there’s only one King 😎.
All Marshalls (especially the older ones) sound different from each other which could be a blessing and a curse 😊.
JMP 2203s are generally a bit smoother than the horizontal input 800 2203s.
What do you think about JVM 410H vs sc20 studio series ( The Prens!)? :)
100 watt tube is always a 100 watt tube amp. Hard to beat 😎💪.
Have you tried the 2 newer DSLs yet?
I played with the newer 100w DSL a few times back in the day live with Shining. It’s good but not as good as the original JCM2000 DSL.
I traded a shitty DSL 40C vs DSL401 JCM 2000 😆😆👍👍
Man the Crunch Channel on this Combo is soo good.
Also own DSL5O ans TSL100 plus a jcm900 MkIII.
Love all of them!
But the Dsl401 JCM 2000 with half Open Back and G12 H30 70th sounds phenomenal also on room volume Levels.
The DSL40C has such a shitty Overdrive..unbelieveable!!!!
The DSl100 /DSL20 heads seem totally different.
Cool!
I had the 40 W combo I didn't like it but I do like my 100 DSL head alot.. Especially at higher volumes it sounds much better cranked a bit
I've always thought the JVM sounds more like a plug-in or a line-6 than an actual amp. It doesn't have that amp-like body. Sounds decent with a mic, but live in the room it just doesn't have that thing.
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They are compressed too much.
They can open up live but
You need a long time with them.
Once you mod them they will be the last amp you own
Jvm 410h with good tube is the best!!! That one sound very metallic and small 😉👍
Can’t argue with personal opinions.
@@EugeValovirta230V Indeed, you have to test 🤗
Why the hell everyone hate on the 2000? It sounds great
Those probably can’t play that much. I think it’s a great amplifier.
Did the JVM replace the JCM TSL??
I borrowed the JVM from a friend to do a few videos about it so no 😎.
My TSL never sounded that good. I've got the JVM 410H JS and it is the best amp I've ever played.
Personal preferences and it’s in the hands of a player anyways 👌😎.
You should had (or if you already did) swap the power tubes on the TSL. My TSL sounded so so so good (during my "band" days). I loved it. A few years ago, I sold it (personal), but I wished I didn't.
Oh all tubes been changed so many times during the years. It sounds great so I’ll change again the next they blow up 😎.
Best marshall ever made in my book..
And Pepita is considering to form a one owl band \m/
Yes, he knows a lot about guitar gear by now 👍😎
I have to ask if he’s willing to do so 😉
@@EugeValovirta230V It would be really cool \m/
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Tsl hands down,can’t beat that 23 year old vintage amp now,although the jvm was close just not as ballsy in my opinion
Hi Euge, can you tell the differences between TSL 60/TSL 100 JCM 2000. Power of course, but what else?
I haven’t played with a TSL60 so unfortunately can’t answer to that 🙏.
The TSL100 is quite anemic, the JVM410H destroys it. Opinions
Miss my TSL. Want another. 60W next time.
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The 60 Watt version sounds way different than the TSL 100.
@@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst wow. It was a fun amp.
JVM ALL THE WAY.
Both are fantastic amps and it’s all about personal preferences 👌😎.
Does your name (Santiago) have something to do with it? 😉. Anyway, for me it's TSL 100 all the way.
TSL all the way!
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Vladimír Dvořák B E S T S O U N D : BRITISH STEEL : JUDAS PRIEST... YEAR: 1980... B E S T...
TSL is more hot sound to my hears
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TSL 100 sounds better!
JVM is a bit too woofy.
I agree 👍😎
@@EugeValovirta230V mine has Svetlana Power Amp and Ruby Tubes 12AX 7AC5 HG and in V1 Ruby HG+.
Ruby tubes where the Tubes ,that where Standard with TSL .
Before there where some Marshall 12AX7.
Ruby Sound bit better ;)
Hookup directly man.
To much BS... I'LL KEEP LOOKING FOR A REAL TEST. THANK YOU THOUGH!
Try these setting..Marshall JVMs go to johan segeborn..it change my mind about that amp completely
Both sounds great my friend!!!!
I just got a JVM after having the TSL for 4 years and I would say the JVM wins. I got rid of all my pedals in front and it's just my guitar into the JVM. I could never get the fizz out of the Lead channel on the TSL. I smiled right away when I hit a chord on the JVM.
That’s great! 🤘
TSL lead channel is not really designed for chunk or rhythms. Its designed to be for solo's.
Same here, from the first chord I hit on my JVM410, I was smiling. It's an amazing amp.
@@ExperienceEric Exactly! The key to using the TSL is use the crunch channel as your rhythm sound. Play it loud (past 4) and use the deep switch. You want more gain? Use a boost pedal (try one that adds a bit of high mids to the sound). Use the lead channel only for solo's (and use the deep switch to fatten it up). I was disappointed when I got my JVM, I hoped it would be a 4 channel TSL.
Agreed. The TSL Lead channel sounds great on solos but not so good on power chords. I could get great results even on milder solos like 'Who's Cryin' Now.' For me, the TSL Clean channel is passable but it's always way too ‘spanky,' like Marshall wants it to sound like a country Fender amp. Now the Crunch channel is just about perfect! It sounds just as good to me as the DSL or the Vintage Modern.
I own a Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 100 and i love it! Sounds decent with a booster, too!
Cool! Indeed! 💪👌
Your videos are awesome!
For 80s style metal Rhythm Guitar (Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Accept etc) which one is the better amp in your opinion? TSL100 or JVM410
Thanks!
I have a TSL but I think you can get the same sounds from both 👌.
Cool riffin man.lol I love it.I’m hunting for a jvm 210 h.cannot afford the big one.can I get the good higain chugs from a jvm 210.? Thanks
I haven’t tried it but most likely yes.
Clean channels are both too dirty. Not clean at all - it is pickups. To me they both sound very bad. MAybe with PAFS would be much better, but have an impression cleans are not the greatest on those amps. Hi gains in 800 style. I always look for amp that does Plexi and 800 thing, but they both are unable to do that judging from this demo.
Guess I'll be testing different preamp tubes for the rest of the summer =)
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Thank a yew for dee gray ta shredding, Count Dracoolia
Loaners never satisfy.
Boosted the JVM seems more clear in it's note definition :)
The Best Marshall Amps Review Channel on the UA-cam, ! A must view for metal sound making with Marshall Amp. Thanks Euge.
Wow, thanks!
Ohh what a difference just only of the tubes changes, amazing! I just did not understand clearly, nor the translater understand what is the new tubes placed on the TSL, so if anybody can write is here, I can really appriciate it :)
Jvm would be my choice .make sure the masters are open on the jvm it sounds way better like that you may find that aggression . I have a jvm and I like how good the eq is way better than a 800and volume management is way easier with a jvm than on a 800
I think the goal of the JVM was to build a JCM800 that was already modded with an internal boost pedal. So it's actually not based on the TSL. Regret selling my TSL now. Never thought of using OD pedals with tube amps back then.
OK! Thanks for the info!
L O I was in the same boat! Had no idea about boost pedalling until about 3yrs ago. Sold my TSL and then begged the guy to sell it back me after buying the 410. Now I can’t dump the 410 but I do have two TSL100’s! Btw the tsl60 and tsl100 are two completely different sounding amps (sry if you knew that already)
thecase1975 which one do you prefer? JVM or TSL? Many say the JVM is better & that the DSL is the best modern Marshall.
L O between you and I the tsl100 is Marshall’s answer the the trip. rec. (Only my opinion, others may think differently) so it’s voiced lower and as Euge puts it “more angry sounding” and I think that turns a ton of ‘marshall’ people off. I personally love it. If you like Fear Factory, Lamb of God, Ministry type grind the TSL100 is your beast with a boost pedal (not the 60watt!!!! I had one of those also..sold it.)JVM is a Dad Marshall. Seems to be missing....balls or something. I can find very similar sounds out of different amps for not $1800 (used) in Canada. I just can’t put my finger on it yet. My Best analogy I can come up with is: jvm/jcm800 2205-2210. TSL100/jcm800 2203 (like Euge’s) the TSL is just plain ‘meaner’.
L O I’d say the JVM is based on the Mode Four using tubes instead of transistors
Love the ISP Decimator 2 g string, just amazing
I don't know. To me (based on my computer speakers), there are no any significant difference. I can buy either. They sound very similar.
They’re very similar indeed. Both gets the job done great 👌.
The jvm does classic rock sounds better imo but for death or thrash metal i'd go with the tsl. They are not the most popular amps but i really like them.
Both are great amps indeed 👌💪.
"This-a Wideo" 😆. Love this channel 🤟🏼
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For the price. The Tsl sounds amazing.
Absolutely 👌.
Thanks for this, again! I prefer the chewiness of the JVM, the TSL is definitely more metallic/sterile/aggressive to my ears.
You are welcome P 😎🙏
8:08 TSL all the way....i dont want to admit it cause im gazin over the jvm