Gun store owner describes his exchange with Lewiston, Maine, mass shooting suspect Robert Card
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2023
- Rick LaChapelle, owner of Coastal Defense Firearms, reflected on his encounter with Maine mass shooting suspect Robert Card.
#shorts #lewiston #maine
a gun store owner playing into the nonsense that suppressors cause more “carnage” is baffling to me 100000% set up
He's just patting himself on the back.
@@Greiwulfehope he goes out of buisnesses. Clearly trying to play a hero by demonizing completely harmless weapon attachments like suppressors. Not a 2A guy.
He was probably paid by someone to say this on camera.
They probably threatened to pull his FFL if he didn't tow the line.
Baffling, I see what you did there 👌🏻
I refuse to believe a gun store employee would even say some nonsense like this. How do suppressors cause more carnage?
He’s not saying a silencer adds to the damage a bullet can inflict.
Even a slight suppression of the sound could mean fewer people are alerted in time to get out of the way.
@@Ematched5 dB reduction would not even be noticeable, that argument doesn’t hold water.
@@doomforecaster yes, it does.
@@Ematched explain how, you obviously don’t know how a suppressor works or what it is intended for.
@@Ematchedabsolutely false. If you have ever been around one, you would know how loud they are. It’s nothing like Hollywood cupcake.
Whats funny is that tax stamp goes through the atf and the atf approved the tax stamp. The atf needs to go
It actually goes to the FBI. It is the exact same NICS check that takes 10 minutes when you buy a gun, but the ATF waits months to more than a year to actually complete it. No lie. Look it up
Go where? Law needs to change
@@lordy1952 ABSOLUTELY.. the laws need to change
It's the gun.. the gun is the problem
@@MrHugabumform 4s go through the ATF FBI has nothing to do with the NFA
@@MrHugabumit is approved by the ATF, when you pick it up, you then go through an NICS check.
So wait the dude passed the federal background check required with a silencer along with the months of waiting for it and then admits on the form at the gun shop that he's mentally unstable or has been institutionalized? Kinda makes you wonder how they missed that at the federal level?
True but what did the online site do when they sent the ppwk to the fed.
I think the bigger concern is that our entire system of gun control seems to center around the person that shouldn’t have a firearm essentially self reporting on a form that they shouldn’t have a firearm. 🤦🏻 I’m sure that system will never fail. 🤦🏻
I smell BS
@jerrycooper2306 NICS is the real background check. The paperwork is just to get your information and preflag people so they don't have to bother with NICS
@@cogent211814literally the same thing the a gun store would have done
I didn’t know the suppressor made the bullets more deadly lol
@@ericfitzpatrick5319your still going to clearly hear an AR-15 with a 16.5inch barrel with a suppressor. This isn’t Hollywood. An AR-15 with a suppressor is still loud af. Even with subsonic ammo.
@thomasweaver6877 yes your right, where did hollywood come from? The point is, it's not like it would be without one. Some don't know what the sound is suppose to sound like.
@@ericfitzpatrick5319hey man. You gotta know when to stop. I used them for years in the marine corps. An ar will still hit 145db with a suppressor on it. Anyone in the world will hear it, and if you hear multiple in a row you know exactly what it is. So just stop.
@@ericfitzpatrick5319You know nothing about supressors. All your "knowledge" comes from Hollywood. You've never even held a gun.
@@ericfitzpatrick5319dawg it’s still over 80 DB. It’s not quiet 😭😭 it’s nothing like in movies.
I call BS. He obviously has never fired an AR or was near someone that was using a suppressor (can). An AR 15 556 is extremely loud, even with a can. Would have made zero difference.
He used a AR10 in 308.. even bigger than than 5.56.. so your point is even more valid..
It actually makes it easier to hear where a shooter is coming from when they use a suppressor. People who haven’t used them before are just ignorant to how it functions. You’re correct.
Seems like UA-cam should take this down for “misinformation”.
Mega Fudd.
Car Accidents are more lethal with mufflers
They add sound to electric cars because they're naturally so silent it's easier for people to not notice them and end up dead or injured.
👍👍🤣🤣🤣
Actually true loud pipes save lives
@@haidenmorganonly with motorcycles because thsyre hard to see. Semis you can hear them and see them usually even with mufflers and theyre also usually big and in the way. The exact opposite
@@zombiecheney4583Yes because electric are almost dead silent. A supressor doesnt actually make the gun silent. Even the best and most effective supressor lower the report by around 30 dB at most. That takes the sound of a .223 ar15 with a 16in barrel from ~165 dB to ~135-140 dB. Thats still loud enough to wake the dead,
A suppressor for a 308 or any 30 caliber rifle isn't going to reduce the decible level to a level low enough. You would still need ear pro, especially indoors.
Not w subsonic 300 blackout, you dont need ear pro w that round.
@@easbreid9879yeah but that is not the gun in question. 300 blk out is not a 308. That's like comparing a cat to a dog.
@@jackucthatjack5896 he said any 30 cal and 300 blk out is a 30 cal so yeah it is
@easbreid9879 yeah and I could spit a 300 out of my mouth and it would be quiet to. My point is obviously that's not what they meant.
@@jackucthatjack5896 ok but you still felt the need to comment, 30 cal is 30 cal
So the ATF signed off on his suppressor that they sent to the FFL ?
The way he phrased it is poor. When you purchase an NFA item, such as a suppressor, you submit paperwork and a $200 tax stamp to the ATF. The seller that has a class III firearms license transfers it to you once the ATF approves your paperwork. The suppressor stays with the licensed dealer until you are cleared by the ATF. Then, for who knows why, you have to pass ANOTHER background check from ATF form 4473. Last one I did took me about 6 1/2 months start to finish.
So the ATF approves him even though he had been institutionalized before?
He obviously lied on the form4 and for some reason he chose to tell the truth in the 4473
Wow. It's almost like we already have a background check and registration system. Whodathunkit
Forreal
My question how did he aquire a rifle if he was in a mental institution? And my second question is, who droped the ball to allow it ?
Because it’s the honor system. We would have to waive our HIIPA rights to allow the ATF to find those cases. I’m not ever giving the government access to my health records. Very dangerous precedent.
The federal government dropped the ball, go figure.
He had it before and was supposed to turn it over but didnt
Its not gonna make it silent especially w 5.56, you would be lucky if it made less than 130 dbs. Suppressors do not make 5.56 silent, if we were talking 300 blk out, then its a different story
People still have eyes - so they see whats happening. But at a busy bowling alley or bar - the suppressor might have made a difference to some -
He used a AR10, not a AR15.. big difference with cartridge size.. one is .308, the other is 5.56.. 308 is much bigger and louder..
This actor is interesting... notice when he describes the form all the jewelry in the glass casing (not firearms.. jewlery!) He keeps repeating the word "silencer" and listen to his last sentence. Is this satire?
This attack recks of a false flag.
Soooo, a suppressor would have resulted in more deaths? How so?
Most Americans know to make themselves small or escape when they hear gunfire. Changing the volume or character of the report of a firearm may confuse a person into hesitation that could potentially be fatal.
@@frfsolrac77 absolutely not. There’s no mistaking the sound of a suppressed rifle. You know what it is the moment you hear it. The volume reduction is down to 130dB. That’s permanent hearing loss.
@@frfsolrac77completely untrue. Any sudden loud noise causes people to react and look to see where it came from. Not to mention people mistake fireworks, cars backfiring, and other loud noises for gunshots all the time.
A suppressor literally would not have changed one thing about what the gunman did.
@@frfsolrac77that argument would only work in a very specific scenario like where a shooter was concealed inside brush from a great distance away . Not some guy openly walking around within 50 feet
@@iseeyou8781friend, never deny the power of denial. I have experienced this first hand. I was in a building when a Glock 17 was accidentally discharged a few hundred feet away. The sound, when it reached me, sounded different enough (without a suppressor) that it was confused as a book slapping against the polished stone floors or ongoing construction work in the office/government building. I personally have over 20 years of professional firearms experience. If simple acoustics & some distance are enough to fool me & other similarly experienced colleagues & a person with limited experience could be fooled too. The negligent discharge wasn’t even reported to the authorities until over an hour later.
What is the law in Maine regarding people committed to a psych hospital? Is it just for silencers? What about the guns themselves, was he legal after being hospitalized? Nobody alerted authorities, from the hospital or gun shop or family???
I believe it is for Both!
Anyway, the Law about refusing the guns to people who were previously committed to a psychiatric ward is idiotic! It only makes sense for those that are known to be violent, had committed , or threatened to, against other people or are actively suicidal! And, such as violent psychopaths, violent schizophrenics ( many Schizophrenics are not violent)!
Would anyone who actually is planning violence actually admit to it??
Most people in psych hospitals are non-violent! What about many that are committed for a short time for an observation or to change meds?
So, to put them all under one umbrella is insulting and unnecessary!
Perhaps, it ought to be on a case -by -case basis and ought to need a Psych Doctor’s Note that states that their patient cannot be allowed around weapons! It ought to be placed and recorded in the Government Registry that gun shops can check!
And what is a ‘mental defect’!?? The low IQ level? (When is it too low?) Autism, Down’s Syndrome, Dementia, etc?? No explanation on the form!?
Such superficial and over-general questions are rendered meaningless and ineffective!
Any lawyer would likely win in court due to an extreme bias and prejudice, if anyone decides to test it!
Gun store owner here. That form I. The video is called a 4473 and it has to be filled out for all firearms. So most likely he already had his firearms before or lied and the background check didn’t have that record.
It doesn't matter what the law is in Maine, it's a federal law. Even if the gun store went ahead and tried to do the transfer, it would go to the FBI, and they would deny the 4473 and the transfer would not be completed. That goes for firearms and NFA items like a suppressor. If he lied and said no to that part of the 4473, it would be a whole different issue for him. As for NFA items, they have to fill out a Form 4 when you purchase the suppressor, which goes to the ATF for approval. That usually takes around 9 months I believe. Once the ATF approves, that's when you can pick up the suppressor and do your 4473. Either he lied of the Form 4, or the ATF failed to do their job (which wouldn't surprise me at all). In the end a suppressor would not have changed the outcome in any way. The gunshots would still have been very loud and recognizable. The only thing that could have maybe stopped it would be the yellow flag law that Maine has in place, but failed to use for whatever reason. That wouldn't have even guaranteed a different outcome, though, because when they came to remove his guns, who knows what he could have done in resistance. This is a perfect example of America's mental health issue and a crime issue that the political left calls a gun issue.
That form shown in the video is a form 4473. You use that fir the suppresor and ANY FIREARM purchase. Its the same form
I agree, and it’s the same with felonies.
So when someone runs over people with a car, do we need to check the dmv records?
Well, the cops generally do check dmv records after such an incident...
He should have been prosecuted for the attempt
How? He was being honest on the form. It would have been different if he lied. If he lied, he probably would have gotten the suppressor and gotten away with it considering he already passed the ATF Background check for NFA Itema
You can’t prosecute him for fraud when he’s honest on those forms. It’s only a crime to lie. Just ask Hunter Biden.
So if you go to a club and the bouncer denies you entry, does that mean you should be prosecuted for the attempt to enter a building?? That's your dumb logic. He TOLD THE TRUTH. Not even hunter biden told the truth on his 4473.
@@kevinmedina5430he lied on the initial atf application. The military failed to notify federal government of his mental issues.
A suppressor does not make a weapon more dangerous nor would it account for a higher body count.
No firearm store is going to call it a silencer.
Well the store didn't call it one, just the guy that owns it.
Imagine thinking that you have to refer to it as a “suppressor”. Absolute cornball.
@@zombiecheney4583and the kiosk that sold it had silencer in the name
They might, as "Silencer" is the legal term for supressor.
Fudd
So, it is based on being forthright and honest! As if people committed to violence are going to be honest!
Can’t u have a Registry to check their criminal, etc record??
Yep its called a backround check. It comes with every purchase of a firearm. However, i do agree with you into checking mental health history as well. Im very pro-gun, but idiots like this, gives us law-abidding gun owners a bad reputation. Especially for people who arent familiar with the culture.
@@BamhurgerSlamI agree with you except for one thing. You cannot check someone’s health records due to HIIPA. I’m not willing to waive my right to medical privacy under the law. That’s infringement and then we’re dancing on the 2A. I don’t disagree that it would be great if it was viably possible. But mess with even one part of the Constitution, and ALL of it is as useless as the paper it’s written on. There’s some other great Constitutional rights that I would hate to see change or removed if we open Pandora’s box. See Germany 1938. Israel 10-7-23. Virtually no Israeli citizen had a firearm due to law. Would have been different if they had. No easy solution that preserves our Republic.
A suppressor will not cause more damage or death. You should be required to use one just for ear protection. This outlook is a bad habit period.
I'm gritting my teeth as he calls a suppressor a silencer.
If this is the owner of a gun store, he needs to be investigated
I really don’t see a silencer adding much more to this it’s not like he was trying to buy a bump stock
exactly 💯
a delay in people's response (running/hiding) could have easily caused more carnage
The guy's single handedly making silencers seem and sound like the boogie man, I suspect he recieved compensation from the alphabet soup company aka corporate fiction for his ever so valuable gas lighting of the American supressor's retail industry.
@@_w_h_y have you ever fired a gun with a silencer on it or have any experience with silencers?
@@_w_h_y it’s not like in the movies a weapon, with a silencer still easily heard even a 22 with a silencer is still loud enough to be heard
This is CLEAR propaganda. Suppressors do not silence the weapon to such extent.
This must be a pwn shop based on the rings in the showcase.
Trying to hype up his shop for following basic procedure. No it wouldn’t have resulted in more loss of life. Yet another scumbag trying to take advantage and get recognition of a terrible event.
What? How tf would a suppressor help? AND HOW TF ARE YOU A FIREARMS SALESMAN AND YOUR CALLING IT A SILENCER?!!
My opinion, is that this guy’s statement about the suppressor causing more harm is absolutely laughable. You can still hear suppressed fire from a firearm. Ridiculous
This is a fed. No way a gun store owner would lie like this
the lesson: dont check yes if you want a silencer. The NICS check would have gone through easy-peasy if he had just checked No. Great system if you have honest mental patients.
If you've been committed it shows up on your background check.
@@Jango69d.u Not necessarily. The recent shooter in Maine was committed by the Army and they dont share the info so it didnt show on the check. Also, mental health commitments are not considered criminal history. Most states do not even have ways to get non-criminal material to the feds as it was never a consideration when their systems were built. It is a common myth that all info goes to NICS and it does not. Maine sends only about 45% of its convictions to NICS since the feds require fingerprints to go with the criminal history and Maine LEA's have a very poor track record of submitting prints, even though they are required to do so under state law.
@@Jango69d.u nope, it’s considered private medical info, so it’s not reported.
Do people even understand that REAL silencers aren't like Hollywood. They're a lot louder in real life. They only provide a certain amount of increased accuracy.
A silencer wouldn’t increase “carnage” it reduces sound, still pretty loud. Not like most movies. Probably less deadly as the silencer gets super hot with lots of rounds
Sorry but this whole thing is 🐟
Sounds like the atf dropped the ball on this one. He should have been denied from their side when they performed the background check
And this store owner is making the case for silencer bans. If having a silencer makes someone that much more deadly then, well, I guess they should be illegal. Right, Mr. gun store owner?
It’s the ATF’s fault that people don’t know what suppressors do and how loud they actually are. The exceptions being 22’s and subsonic .300 blackout.
I want his explanation on how he thinks a "silencer" causes more carnage...
As someone who currently works in a gun shop, there’s a reason he’s not making this video in front of a gun wall. Because he’s in the wrong. He knows the whole story is fabricated and doesn’t want any affiliation with the story.
Then he should’ve worn a mask.
This is why certain people should not have easy access to suppressors
These must be a liberal gun store cause he sounds like one! A suppressed 223 or 5.56 is still loud very loud! The problem is did he report this guy to the police as mental? NO he didn't that is what might have helped!
This makes no sense. Remember folks a silencer in real life is not the same as in the movies. In most cases it can barely make a rifle hearing safe
Yea, because now silencers walk around commiting crimes, How ridiculous you sound.
This guy has obviously NEVER used a silencer/supressor in his life 😂
It's interesting how this shop owner switches from facts, to speculation.
Did the silencer hold the rifle up for him to make it more deadly? I’m sick of Media lying to make a buck, just because stats on call of duty go up when you have a suppressors doesn’t mean it translates to real life and makes a firearm do more damage.
Yes an insane person can be trusted to answer truthfully on any questions yet alone a NICS form. Give me a break. The answer is more ppl should be armed to prevent this bs from happening
I need proof
This looks like one of the forced videos terrorists make people do. I can imagine the ATF is behind the camera threatening prison.
Calling is a silencer and also attributes it’s to more carnage is sickening
You shouldnt own a gun store
A suppressor doesn’t make him more lethal. It brings it down to 130-140db. Which is still insanely loud. I used them in the marine corps for years, they work, but not like this guy is telling it. And he’s apparently some kind of expert or is allowed to make decisions for people. That’s insanity.
Edit: I think the real problem is someone dropped the ball on confiscating his firearms after he was forcibly admitted to mental health. Would that have stopped it? Who knows. Either way, he was exercising his 2a, and the gov failed to take his firearms away. As soon as that owner saw that box checked, he should have notified the police and licensing unit.
Imagine saying that a suppressor would have caused MORE carnage than he already caused, a suppressor doesn’t make the rifle any more deadly then it already is and it’s not like Hollywood where a silencer makes very little noise. It makes it more hearing safe but with a 5.56/.223 round that is super sonic you can and will still hear the shots.
He had been recorded by police saying he capable before he purchased this, should have been an immediate red flag on file
I wouldn’t spend a penny at this clowns shop. Intentionally misleading folks to try and look like a hero.
That silencer wouldn't have made a difference stop the bs
In call of duty a suppressor removes the ability for the enemy to see you on mini map…..a silencer in real life is still incredibly loud I don’t see how much a difference it could have made for the victims if he didn’t have one.
How does a suppressor make a firearm more deadly?
So the laws worked because he told the truth and literally no other reason? absolute j o k e of a country lived here my entire life and havent been proud of it a single time. pathetic
So wait a minute gun laws don't prevent violence?!?!?! Well I for one am shocked.
This is total nonsense, this guy is just as bad as the ATF.
Call this store and tell them thanks. Stopping so much carnage, total idiot running this place. Acting like he prevented something with his excellent intuition.
I hope This gun store looses buisness from this absurd statement.
I'm sure a suppressor doesn't increase The lethality of the firearm.
I work at a range. People bring in suppressed ARs all the time. The ARs chambered in .223/5.56 are still loud when using regular supersonic ammo and can be still be heard through all the other gunfire on the range. The suppressors on those ARs only cut the “snap” or “sonic boom.”
On the other hand a suppressed AR chambered in .300 Blackout using subsonic ammo is way quieter.
That question (H) should have said you must show proof you have consulted with a psychiatrist.
A suppressor & Silencer are 2 different things, Suppressor is basically a muzzle flash hider
This makes me really question the whole story now…. No gun shop owner or employee would say this lol “how much more carnage” from a suppressor… doing nothing more than marking a little less noise…
Weird a private citizens business denied him but the government everybody keeps telling me to give all the power too has failed this same thing countless times now.
All the alleged gun people forgetting that subsonic ammo exists and does suppress gunshots by up to 80% depending on the caliber. Just do some research, guns can get really quiet.
What gun store sells rings? None I have ever been to lol probably some dingus who runs a pawnshop.
Why would a civilian need a silenced weapon for anything other than malfeasance?
To reduce muzzle flash in the dark so you can preserve night vision and lower decibels in enclosed spaces during a home invasion to give yourself a better chance at survival.
@umaikakudo uh huh... too much CoD my dude...
I am old enough to remember when people legally took flying lessons and the carnage afterwards
NOBODY SHOP AT THIS GUYS STORE PUT HIM OUT OF BUSINESS.
Carnage? By using a suppressor? I oh so desperately wish that this was a joke, but it appears this poor fellow has been downing koolaid by the gallon.
For all the people thinking suppressors make guns quiet I’m here to tell you 95% of them don’t even cut down on the decibels enough to make it literally silent so the problem of people wouldn’t have been able to hear it is ridiculous now get some subsonic and a pricey suppressor usually in the thousands than that might have been closer
If this guy sells guns I’m a billionaire
The media playing scare tactics again 😂
Owner act if he saved lives
Suppressing a 5.56 does not even make it hearing safe. It is still going to be like 140 decibels.
Oh Bologna. Suppressors are not silencers. Have you ever heard a gun with one? It’s not like on TV. A 5.56 is about as loud as a .22 with the best suppressor.
Law enforcement and government dont like silencers.
I am sick of weaklings falling down. I know someone here who owns many guns & for almost a decade & has claimed to seeing visions & apparitions in the sky..
More carnage? You mean if the bullets had been slightly quieter, flown slower, and hit with less force?
No gun guy would refer to it as a "silencer". This is staged.
Instead he went to a deaf convention 😅
How does a supressor make this any more or less deadly????
-30 decibels is really deadly
I wonder what else the shop did when the guy answered yes on the 4473... inaction is dangerous in these situations. I mean who in their right mind checks yes on that? Clearly someone with lots of screws loose.
Purchasing a suppressor is a lengthy process due to suppressors being regulated under the NFA of 1934. That being said, this individual went under far MORE scrutiny at a federal level than any individual who just purchases a firearm. That means the ATF looked at this individual at length for months. There is a significant amount of paperwork, fingerprinting, and waiting when it comes to NFA regulated items.
This is far more involved than the NICS background checks or any background check at the state level. It is guaranteed longer than any waiting period that the left pushes (average wait time is 6+ months).
It is clear that despite all of these gun control laws, they failed to stop a crazy person from committing a heinous act. Go figure.
What if he was diagnosed after he submitted his paperwork to the feds but before he picked up the can?
How would a silencer cause more harm or damage you make no sense false information
He makes a “kiosk” sound evil 👀
He is definitely a fed.
A suppressed AR 15 is almost as loud as an unsuppressed AR-15 😅 unless they bought subsonic bullets… and then the effective range is reduced to 100 yards or so. And the lethality of the bullets is greatly reduced. 5.56mm/.223 bullets are the same diameter as .22LR caliber (.003)in larger the speed of the bullet is what makes it effective… 29-3200fps. , it’s also what makes it functionally pointless to suppress, unless your firing from a concealed location at night and need to reduce muzzle flash. But in an urban environment at close range the muzzle flash is irrelevant. And the suppressor actually reduces effectiveness by making a carbine length weapon 4-8 inches longer and less maneuverable in close quarters. And for all you liberals. Obviously this act of violence against innocent people is unacceptable.
If anything, the silencer lessons, the bullet velocity and does not make it silent
I really need to read up more about this. It's probably my own ignorance but guns are effective means without silencers. What's the reason a person would need one other then the unmentioned