Testing Alec Baldwin's Revolver Theory
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2021
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Today we put Alec Baldwin’s claim of not pulling the trigger to the test, as well as showing you the cool piece that is the Colt SAA!
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Hello Brandon
Well I'm early for once
Hey Brandon!
*I stand behind Alec Baldwin. Mainly because I don't feel safe standing in front of him.*
Lol
that's a good one. I'm stealing it.
@@bungholio71 Go ahead he stole it too 😂
@@madzmadeit 🤣🤣🤣
Fun fact *putting your text in bold doesn't make it funnier*
I remember years ago a friend brought me to another friend's house. Guy was something of a gun nut. He pulls out a 1911, waving it around like a dick. I asked him not to and he says "It's not loaded, you think I'd wave a loaded weapon around?" and to prove his point he racks the slide and a fucking round flies out. I looked, he said, "Now it's not loaded!" I asked to see it, dropped the magazine which had rounds in it, tossed that at him then racked it myself watching the live round hit the carpet. Never been so disgusted with another gun owner.
yeah he sounds more of a *Nut job* than a gun *Nut*
Those sort of people give the rest of us a bad name.
God that’s upsetting and frustrating
I've been around guns since I was born, had one in my hand since age 6, hell I never trust myself that a weapon is unloaded, I will double and triple check myself. When I see people acting like that it sends shivers down my spine, how easy they could end someone they love or themselves.
Been there, experienced that!
Forget about Alec Baldwin for a second. Please explain to me why live ammo would ever be used on any movie set under any circumstances. I can't grasp it.
Only movie i can think of is that scene where ash shoots the window out in the 1st evil dead. Then again that was 8 college kids with 30 bucks and a dream not a multi billion dollar industry giant.
Wasn't intentionally "used". My best guess, and a guess is all it is: It stands to reason that anyone that's been tagged as the "gun expert" who is responsible for providing and managing all the firearms on set, is most likely also a gun ENTHUSIAST. This is a person who does a good bit of his/her own shooting in their private life, and owns MANY firearms. It's no stretch to assume that a person fitting this description would have a large array of different kinds of loads and ammo stored in close proximity to one another. At this point, you've entered the margin of human error where this "expert" negligently allowed some live ammo to co-mingle with some blanks....mix in the chaos of a movie set, and a culture where EVERYTHING IS BY DEFINITION FAKE...and somebody ends up dead.
They were partying and doing target practice after hours.
@@juneyshu6197 : my money is on this....
@@juneyshu6197 Yep, that was apparently the story most quoted in the various articles, the armorer and a few other production team members had taken the prop firearms to do some live shooting nearby. So it ended up that either the prop gun had a live round or two still in the chambers when the firearm was stored, or it was emptied but the armorer tossed the live rounds next to the blanks when she put away the firearm after their joy-shooting, instead of properly keeping things completely separate, probably intending to do so tomorrow when she wasn't tired.
And then after she forgot someone loaded the firearm inadvertently with the live round(s) instead of the blanks, either due to rushing or unfamiliarity with the difference between live and blank rounds.
“There’s a new sheriff in town, annd he hasn’t ruled out manslaughter” had me rolling😭
Alec: “I didn’t pull the trigger, I wouldn’t do that”.
People who truly know firearms: “that was a lie”
*people who have a single brain cell
Of course he is going to blame the gun. Firstly it gets him off the hook (or so he hopes). Secondly he can use this as an example that proves guns are dangerous even "in competent hands in controlled conditions", so naturally we ought to ban these things. Win-win for him.
Alec "Who knows fuck-all about firearms" Baldwin: "I didn't pull the trigger."
Everyone who knows firearms and has access to the internet: "Let us show you where you're wrong chief."
There's 27 videos made in the last 4 days alone. Alec is about to get bent over.
@@josephs.787 Are you implying that those of us with knowledge of firearms are stupid?
Are you defending Baldwin?
It's a shame Alec will never be held accountable for his unsurprising lack of gun discipline and will continue to vomit Twitter nonsense.
@Ethan one of his accounts
His attempts to make himself look like a victim are bs. Especially considering what happened to the real victim
Any Hollywood actor/actress, really anyone who picks up a gun, should have basic gun safety drilled into them before they film. Boggles my mind that it isn’t already taught to them
needs life in prison
@@hypershock0762 exactly, look at the training keanu reeves got when he filmed john wick.
Thank you, Brandon! I'm 68 years old and never really understood what the phrase, "half-cocked" meant. Now I know it means being armed with an ineffectual weapon / argument / logic etc.
What possessed him to refer to Helyna Hutchins as the camera person? If it's too anti woke to say her name how about the camera operator or the woman operating the camera. f.....k!
Helyna Hutchins was the Cinematographer who supervises all the camera operators and lighting crew:another name for this job is Director of Photography. The camera operator is a separate position who actually works the camera.
Actually, going off "half-coked" is from the old days of flintlocks. If you had a gun whose internal parts were worn out & put it on half or full cock, it could accidently fire without the trigger being pulled. That is why muzzle control is so important.
@@kenwalker687I thought it was just referring to not fully cocking the gun, in which case it won't work. Think of the context. To "go off half cocked" is to be ill prepared, not ready, confused. What part of that relates to a gun firing accidentally when you don't expect it? "Go off" is as in "to depart, to embark", you are going in with a gun that won't fire when you pull the trigger. Not one that will suddenly just go off for no reason.
"Half cocked" = not ready. 😂
There are a lot of safety rules on sets. Some of the ones taken most seriously are those surrounding guns on set. Guns are props. A prop is something an actor touches. If it's a book in the background that's on a shelf, it's set dressing. The second the actor touches it, it's a prop, and is handled and reset by the props department after every take.
On set, there are two kinds of guns that are mainly used. Inert rubber guns, which are made by filling a gun shaped mold with black rubber. These are usually all given to background actors who will never use them, or the principal actors if the situation calls for it, i.e. rehearsing a stunt in which the hero prop might become damaged if it's thrown around, or if the gun is to remain in a holster and not be featured where it might be seen as being fake.
Those guns, rubber and real, are handled by a designated member of the props department. That person's title can be "armorer," or they can simply be a member of the props department who's sole purpose on set is to keep track of the guns, load guns with blanks, and make sure that absolutely no one has a gun, rubber or not, in their possession unless they are going to roll on a take. Absolutely NO ONE ELSE is supposed to touch, play with, open the loading gate of, or do anything else with those guns.
Before that gun gets anywhere near the actor who is supposed to be using it, the First Assistant Director is *SUPPOSED TO* inspect the gun with the prop master and armorer and visually verify that it is not loaded. Any member of the crew or actors who want to also verify this are free to inspect it as well while it is being handled by the armorer. The gun STARTS EMPTY, and anything that gets loaded into it is done at this point, so everyone can see exactly what goes into it. This is not the actor's job, and never has been. They are not the armorer and are not supposed to be needlessly loading and unloading a gun. Most people on a set, let alone the actors aren't trained or licensed to do that. And it's not their fault for taking a day/week/month of work to make money. If a gun makes it to set with a loaded live round in it, it is the fault of the props department and the First AD for not following standard safety protocol and inviting anyone who wanted to verify the gun was cold to set to do so. The only two people required to make this happen are the First AD and the Armorer. If someone doesn't want to check, they don't have to but they are REQUIRED TO BE given the option.
In the situations where the gun is shown to be unloaded (which should have been what happened on the set of Rust) the gun, once confirmed to be unloaded by anyone who wants to check it in addition to the First AD and Armorer doing the check, is then closed, and the First AD then makes a "COLD GUN ON SET" announcement over all walkie channels and out loud to verify that everyone knows that the gun that is being waved around in whatever shot their doing (to all the crew and other actors) is not loaded and has been verified as being unloaded.
None of this happened on the set of Rust. The First AD, David Halls, like many inexperienced or bad AD's was freaking out because they were behind schedule. Alec Baldwin was on set doing a blocking rehearsal with the Cinematographer and Department Heads. A blocking rehearsal is going through the rough motions of the scene, before any lighting/rigging/work is done, to decide where they are going to shoot from, and what shots they're going to do to cover the scene. The Cinematographer requested Alec Baldwin's character's gun to be brought in to set so she could properly frame up a shot of Alec Baldwin pointing and firing the gun at the camera.
David Halls, being a terrible First AD, instead of calling over walkie to props or the armorer for the gun, took it upon himself to run out to the prop truck, grab the gun, then bring it back to set without checking it, assuming that since it was not being used, it was cold. David Halls then waltzed onto set, yelled out "COLD GUN ON SET" and handed it to Alec Baldwin. Alec Baldwin was in the middle of working out his position in the shot with the Cinematographer and took the gun, assuming the safety check had happened, just like everyone else in the room. The AD yelled out "COLD GUN ON SET" which is only ever to be yelled out after the safety check has taken place. Alec Baldwin was never required to be at that safety check that they all thought happened and was busy working out his blocking with the crew.
David Halls mislead not only Alec Baldwin, but everyone else in the room, that the proper safety check that ALWAYS HAPPENS had happened and it didn't. Alec Baldwin, the Cinematographer, or any other member of the cast/crew are not supposed to be responsible for making that check happen, they are not trained to do it. The only two people on a set responsible for doing this check are the AD and ARMORER. No where in an actor or crew member's job description does it say anything about being responsible for safety checking a gun EXCEPT FOR an ARMORER or AD.
Whether or not Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger is irrelevant. David Halls should be in jail for lying to a room full of people about having done the safety check on that gun, along with the armorer who, as far as the evidence is concerned, was high as a kite and dicking around with live rounds in her guns.
I really want anyone who doesn't work in film to understand, safety checking guns is something we take very seriously. Proper protocol is supposed to be followed, and a First AD is responsible for everyone's safety, cast or crew. David Halls lied and told everyone the check had been performed when it wasn't. And Alec Baldwin, like every actor who's ever been on a movie with a gun in it, took the gun assuming the check had taken place just like everyone else in the room because an AD lying about that is so disgustingly fucked up that it wasn't even something that would cross their minds.
I agree with you for the most part, the only thing I would criticize about the argument is regardless of whether or not you as an actor are supposed to load/unload/check a firearm, I'm still 100% checking the firearm before I wave it around. The most cardinal rule with guns is to always assume they are loaded, and to act accordingly. I don't know all the details of working on a movie set, but anytime I'm handed any firearm, pistol, rifle, bb gun, airsoft, anything, I always check to see if It's loaded or not.
That would be completely fine and you should be given the chance by the AD if you wanted to double check so you can feel comfortable. I've been on sets where actors made them do the check again because they missed it and the armorer did it for them again no problem. But they need the armorer present, and the armorer has to handle the gun while the check is being performed. They don't even want the lead actors unnecessarily opening and closing the loading gate of the gun by themselves since they have to be super sure that there's only what's supposed to be in there inside of it. Some actors are super attentive about it, but I'm sure you can imagine others are very much not and do get yelled at for playing with their guns. This is really why the armorer is there, so that a qualified person is always present doing the checks. It's for everyone's safety. A lot of actors don't know anything about guns, or are just kind of oblivious to anything but themselves. Like I personally wouldn't feel very safe at work holding a boom pole in front of Kim Kardashian or something if she was the one in charge of making sure it wasn't loaded lol.@@coolmanplayz438
@joe_origlieri interesting. As previously stated I know pretty much nothing about a movie set, so any insight is definitely welcomed.
Many mistakes in the chain, an armorer who was not professional....live ammo on set.....an actor that should have inspected the fire arm himself.
Can I ask how you know what took place on this set that day?
I once played a cop as an extra on a low budget filmset in a country where guns are a rarety. And when I was given the prop gun, which was an airsoft, even then the "armorer" did a check in front of me and asked me to do another verification myself to confirm that it was empty. How this apparently wasn't a thing on a filmset where real firearms may actually used is beyond me.
One would think that a country that has the most guns in the world, (more guns than actual people) and probably the largest volume movie production, would follow these common sense safety guidelines.
@@RickyGuterson you'd think but Hollywood is full of idiots.
Like that clip of the director of Suicide Squad flagging Will Smith and Will smacking the gun away
@@RickyGuterson These were Californian Hollywood types. They know less about guns than pre-settler natives.
You're giving him the benefit of the doubt. He actually claimed that you're not allowed to check the weapon once it's been given to you, because everyone will think your loading it. Seeing as how that's a bs statement that only someone ignorant on firearms would think sounds smart it's safe to assume he lied. His given reason that people will assume you're trying to load it is extremely suspicious as well, like he's thought about that. Finally, after the shooting they performed a safety sweep for other live rounds and found some on his belt.
I don't know why everyone is automatically assuming he's completely innocent in all this. We have to assume that a random bullet found it's way past the armoror, the assistant director, Baldwin and then was the one out of six that could have been fired.
@@logangrimnar3800 and of all things having any amount of pressure on the trigger of all things. it definitely smells like homicide, a film shooting
You magnificent bastard lol "Halting production in 3...2...1..."
Also "a blank round?! How did that get on set?"
I'm glad someone else noticed that too, I nearly choked on my drink, best line out of some right corkers, all done in the best possible taste.
Icy Mike! Awesome to find you in a comment section like this.
You should do one on the scenario that killed Brandon Lee. Squib with a primer-only "prop" round followed by a blank that lethally cleared the bore.
I don't know what's more impressive. His knowledge of history and amount of common sense or his shooting skills. I know how hard those shots were.
“Halting production.” Had me verbally laughing, then the “a blank round? How did that get on set.” Fired the killing shot.
People need to stop talking about blanks. The gun was *supposed* to be loaded with dummy rounds (they look real but are totally inert) and a real live BULLET got mixed in with them.
Funny enough a "supposed blank" was the killing shot my friend
again look up the tragity that happened on the crow it was probably real close
@@hardwirecars that was a squib load used for a dummy that got a bullet stuck in the barrel, and then a high flash blank.
@bonk proof
XD I mean how does he come up with that stuff? Just a comedic genius! Let me try one: "Person dying in 3, 2, 1..." hm, somehow doesn't have the same ring to it...
"A blank round? How'd that get on set?" I definitely exhaled through my nose at that one haha.
#AKGNotificationSquad
The sheriff supposedly found 500 live rounds on the set
I laughed out loud with that joke, not loudly, but like chuckling
That one was savage af
@@j_freeman3230 With a production that was cutting corners everywhere how did they afford 500 live rounds of a rare caliber in this market?
Laughed way louder than I should have. Awesome bit of writing...
First off the revolver wasn't supposed be loaded with blanks, it was supposed to have dummies because the scene did not call for it to be fired. I feel that is very clear that he drew with his finger on the trigger, than cocked the hammer with his thumb. By doing this he inadvertently pulled the trigger a hair while pulling back the hammer which then would allow it to fire the moment he let the hammer fall...
Still, doesnt make it any less his fault that he was pointing the gun at peole who werent in the scene, in between takes. Even if it was supposed to be dummies, why the fck was that gun ever pointed at people who werent ever supposed to have it point at them even during scenes, and why the fck was it pointed at them BETWEEN TAKES?! Whatever he did caused the weapon to fire, and managed to break literally every single main rule of gun safety, never point your gun at anything your not willing to destroy=massive fail, keep your finger OFF the trigger until your ready to shoot= fail, know your target and whats behind it=fail, and treat EVERY weapon as if its loaded= Absolute giga massive fail.
Thank you for preaching gun safety, honestly we can't have enough of it.
Gun safety is for plebs, not the important people.
The real question on this entire thing: WHO LOADED THE GUN WITH LIVE AMMO? Or a better question: Why was live ammo even on the set? This entire situation is beyond bizarre.
From what I’ve heard, it’s fairly normal for the crew to bring live ammo to just have fun shooting at things, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is banned going forward.
Maybe he was somehow setup?
i've watched a few videos about this. from what i've seen, the gun was never actually loaded with any live rounds. the fault lies in the prop master never cleaning the barrel of the revolver and when the blank was fired it discharged small particulates of metal shavings or something
@@scallywag5236 what 2 guns on set, and where switched during a time when everyone was rushing about trying to figure out what went w, as guns have rifleing which is like a guns finger print the bullet that was found would match the gun,
It's an interesting idea but one would need a silencer to damping the sound, but where was the other person stood not to be seen. It's a possibility but highly unlikely
@@paulglennie1991 it's just an idea man. I never looked into it much.
Finally, a test with the ACTUAL model.
There's a few from small channels.
@Hitano stop spamming
But Alec used a prop gun
@@u2beuser714 You arent European though
@@JStryker7 a prop is a real gun most of the time, the one M.Baldwin used was a real one at least intended to only shoot blanks.
Well demonstrated. I've owned a SAA in 44spl for 20 years and understand how they work. I totally agree with Brandon.
1:01 this is where I was introduced to Big Iron Synthwave edition; thank you Brandon Herrera!
The woman they hired as the armorer said after the incident something along the lines of, "My career is over. Do you know how hard it is for a woman to be taken seriously in this field?" Pretty telling when you consider it was her that most likely brought the live rounds onto set.
She was only hired because her dad is someone big in Hollywood as well! Thats why they protected her from the blame.
I'm sure she meant to say "My career is over. Do you know how hard it is for an armorer that allowed live rounds on a movie set to be taken seriously in this field?
From TMZ "Gutierrez, who was trained as an armorer by her dad, Thell Reed, tells the officer, "I'm the only female armorer in the game and I just f****d up my whole entire career." She later refers to herself as a "f*****g failure.""
@@KINGBublepop All things consdered... Yeah she's basically the DEFINITION of a failure. She failed at her job and someone died as a result of her poor work. You LITERALLY can not be a bigger failure than someone dying directly because of your actions, like it's not even funny.
@@KINGBublepop really says a lot that shes more worried about her career than the person who DIED as a result of her incompetence
It's almost like every single one of us who has even a cursory amount of knowledge about how single-action revolvers work knew exactly how this test was going to play out. Funny thing, isn't that?
I'm British, had a blank firing Ruger SAA copy as a teen, Handgun ban since 1997.... So I havent touched a handgun of ANY type for 25+ years...
Knew it would be some "Fanning" type fuck up without a second thought.
QUESTION. How thick is Baldwin's index finger? (Not joking)
Reason I ask is that I have dainty little hands, but wearing gloves for me with "El Blanko" was a BIG No No ... jammed in the trigger guard EVERY. Damn. Time.
I'm also from the UK and when i heard what had happened i said to myself "But that can't happen". Even us lot over here have some knowledge of how guns work.
@@peterbenson2185 there are a few reasons it can fire without intentionally pulling the trigger .
Never shot or held a single action and I knew haha
@@cardiffpicker1 "intentionally" is the key word there. There are lots of ways to *accidentally* pull the trigger - significantly fewer ways to fire the gun without pulling the trigger.
As a former USMC artillery officer and gun owner who has owned two Uberti remakes of the 1873 Colt revolver, I wanted to let you know that I arrived at the same theory when the incident first happened back in October 2021. As you showed here, the ONLY way to get these firearms to fire is for the hammer to cock back far enough so that it moves forward with sufficient force to detonate the primer. It can only do that from the full cock position. So ,when Baldwin insisted he didn't pull the trigger, the only two theories that made sense why the firearm discharged were either a mechanical failure of some kind (which isn't even remotely possible, much less plausible, as you showed here) or he had his finger on the trigger and then caused the hammer to fully cock while his finger remained on the trigger. Put another way, he didn't "pull" the trigger; he put pressure on the trigger such that when he cocked the hammer it could and did fall forward.
"We have to knock him out."
Punch punch punch
"You're not knocking him out,you're beating the piss out of him."
“Because I’m responsible for what happens in my videos” that statement made me laugh and I do appreciate Brandon’s delivery. Keep it up!
Oh shit, he said that on the record, that might come back to bite him one day.
"This is the single greatest handgun ever made, the Colt Single-action Army. Six bullets, more than enough to kill anything that moves"
-Revolver Ocelot- Alec Baldwin, probably
my favorite mgs character, alec baldwin
*Meowr!* -Major Ocelot
@@SgtPotShot he is so weird tho
7 Indians?
Anyone familiar with the Colt SAA knows to load one, skip one, load four. Hammer will rest on an empty chamber. Only five rounds for safety. Known for over 150 years.
I have worked in theater and film for 30 years. There are people responsible for props. That is their whole job and we actors are forbidden from touching them until they are given to us. We are then instructed in what to do with them and that is all. As a gun owner and lover, I would check any gun given to me in a private situation, but that is not my responsibility as an actor.
Can we talk about the fact that Brandon casually hip fire nailed the steel when demonstrating his theory of what actually happened. Man's becoming more of a Texas cowboy by the day
It's because of all the AR's he owns, their accuracy and reliability are infecting him...
Potential for a western dedicated episode with Brandon?? I think we should start a movement.
@@YeahItsYourBoyG he made one a year or two ago
Its all that Tito's Vodka he's been drinking.
Russian cowboy.
Pietta actually makes two versions of this pistol, one of them has a transfer bar mechanism. Brandon appears to have the other one that doesn't. The transfer bar version has a firing pin in the frame instead and of course is even harder to get to fire unintentionally.
like the ruger vaqueros, that transfer bar is a wonderful thing.
@@mrstryfe Nice. Sadly I no long have a vaquero. Traded it years ago for a blackhawk
@@mrstryfe I really want a blacked out vaquero birds head
@@mrstryfe Yes, unless you're deliberately fanning the hammer to fire - which is why Pietta makes one without it. There's use cases for both, of course. They also make one that is visually identical to the .45LC guns, fires special .380 blanks and cannot chamber any normal round; it is intended specifically for use in film and theater production. There really is no excuse for this to have happened.
@@TexasSpectre My theory on the live round is that the minor actors, armorer, crew when they aren't shooting a scene were going out on the ranch and shooting beer bottles after drinking them because they were bored. It makes sense to have live rounds for the gun for recoil testing for actors to know what it should look like but I dont think that's why they had them. I think the kids were being stupid and playing around and left the gun loaded and didn't check it when they handed it to Baldwin due to being hung over or whatever.
Just found this channel yesterday and I've gotta say. Love your videos man
Brandon, you got it exactly right. Even in some of the video they show on the news, Baldwin has his finger inside the trigger guard. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I’m sure he didn’t consciously pull the trigger but unknowingly had enough pressure on it for the revolver to fire when he released the hammer as you just demonstrated.
“The director had not cut filming, when a bullet fairly ripped,
And Baldwin‘s aim was deadly with the prop-gun on his hip,
Prop-gun on his hiiiiip…”
I feel terrible now… almost as terrible as Alec claims to feel.
#AKGnotifcationsquad
I get he's anti gun and all, but it's a little fucked up to claim he doesn't feel remorse for killing someone.
@TheButterAnvil He himself claims he doesn’t feel guilty, and there’s decades of evidence that he’s a damn psychopath with rage issues.
I don’t give a f*** about calling him out, he sure as shit doesn’t give one about what he did, guaranteed.
Well done!
@@TheButterAnvil I have no doubt that Baldwin feels at least some if not great remorse for what happened on set. That being said I am having trouble believing that he is feeling much guilt over it with how much he is trying to deflect the blame onto anyone and anything else. although now that I think of it that may be the result of him passing through the stages of grief.
@@TheButterAnvil He who plays the blame game feels no guilt. If he simply claimed responsibility like a man, I'd have more sympathy for him.
Oh wait, he's in Hollywood. He doesn't know what "responsibility" means lmao
13:45 is arguably the coolest thing Brandon has done on accident. He just hit the metal from a hip fire. What a badass.
Bump
And in the most professional way possible. Hits the metal and keeps on talking
Brandon's new assistant, Phuc Long was off-camera with a gong
@@jonathansmith7306 Hah!
He cut the scene, so I think he may have actually reacted to that but cut it out for some reason.
Hey Brandon - when talking firearm safety preachy is good!!!👍👍
Your theory is very plausible, but my personal theory is that as a prop gun rented from a prop firearm company, the sear was worn to the point that the notches in the sear that hold the hammer back couldn't catch the hammer (as designed) when Baldwin pulled the hammer back while rehearsing his draw and pointing it at the camera position. Pointing it directly at the camera is something that the screenplay may have called for him to do which explains why he did that even in a rehearsal. It's also possible that the director/assistant director told Baldwin to draw and point the gun at the camera.
Of course, that doesn't explain why there was live ammo on the set (or anywhere near it) nor how it got into the cylinder. It's the set armorer's job to make sure that the gun(s) are loaded with appropriate blank ammo (often called the 5 in 1 blank because it works in 5 different calibres of Old West guns).
With a revolver that doesn't have a swing-out cylinder like these cowboy pistols, there are only two ways to verify what ammo is in it - either look down the front of the cylinder (meaning the barrel is pointing at your head 😱) or unload it.
I'm not defending Baldwin by any means, I'm just pointing out that there are possible explanations for what happened.
My father is a police officer in iran,he and his colleagues always leave one cylinder empty and put it as the first round,so even if they pull the triger accidently it wouldn't fire,it sounded cool to me so i wanted to share it with you.
“Halting production in 3,2,1”
This man’s jokes simply doesn’t miss
That bullet didn't miss either
Neither did that revolver
Neither did Alec Baldwin
@@_shaggy_tm5372 I was going to say the same thing
"that's full cock, giggity"
Why does nobody talk about the fact that the armorer said that, "loading a gun with blanks was the scariest thing she had ever done in her life." Someone that inexperienced has no place in that job.
What??? I had no idea about that
@@skrimper Yeah, literally the only reason she had the job is because her dad was a well known armorer who had worked a ton of movies. Otherwise she's extraordinarily inexperienced.
Not sure if that was her exact wording, I recall it being more about 'the scariest part of the job was loading dummy rounds' because they look exactly like live rounds and any good armorer SHOULD be the most concerned about that aspect.
@@scottwatrous Makes sense that dummy rounds for a six shooter would look the same as live rounds, since the viewer can see into the cylinder when the gun is pointed at the camera. Either way, if the armourer is the person responsible for sourcing the rounds, she's just as responsible as Baldwin, assuming Baldwin didn't intentionally murder the girl.
Because Baldwin approved her hiring, so I still hold him responsible.
I’m a new comer to your channel and I’m never disappointed in the content of your videos. I find them very informative and entertaining. Thank you for putting yourself in harms way to show us what could happen when you don’t practice gun safety and common sense gun handling. P.S. love the last shot in this video when the round went through the beer can and hit the steel target down range.
Given how it was a movie set, you'd think someone would've gotten a shot of the guy getting shot.
Wow.
It's like the SAA Revolver was Made to NOT fire at random.
Who would have thought,eh?
Definitely Not Alec,that's who.
Really?
@@ThyWanderingKnight it’s a bot
@MemeMaster Yeah,I can tell,m'guy.
It's still annoying tho.
This bot is oddly pushy... OH COME ON! THIS IS JUST GETTING ABSURD!
@Johan I know,right?
It speaks volumes about Brandon's gun sense given how physically uncomfortable he looks trying to demonstrate an accidental discharge
I was looking for this comment! He looked extremely displeased.
I was cringing watching him try so I could only imagine what he was thinking
I caught that as well.
@@Arealprizeguy "holy shit this is sketchy"
I thought he looked disgusted Haha
Pretty much what I was thinking. Nice thorough testing.
The amount of innuendo here is breath taking !!!! Literally !!!
The two things I never believe , The gun isn't loaded and the dog doesn't bite.
So, you would believe "The check is in the mail"?
How about "you're the best I've ever been with"?
@@skdoosh9523 lol
@@skdoosh9523 well, I would certainly LIKE to believe that
The two things I always believe: The dog isn't loaded and the gun doesn't bite.
Go figure, the folks who designed a firearm actually made it as safe as possible. So long as the user practices firearm safety, anyway.
Idiots will always find a way
@@salacommander2674 everythings idiot proof, till the world makes a better idiot.
Modern revolvers have a transfer bar that was specifically designed to stop accidental discharges that can happen with this type of revolver. He was not able to get a discharge, but I guarantee you there is a possibility of this firearm going off it's dropped or has some other impact on the hammer. It's the reason the transfer bar was designed. These are plenty safe for sport shooting in a very controlled environment, but these aren't something you should keep around your house loaded and people should be aware of the possibility of AD if it's dropped, not just blow it off because a guy on UA-cam couldn't replicate it.
like any other decent machine
@@jackdanson2 still doesnt excuse the fact that he pointed the gun at another human being and that the gun was loaded with a live round accidental discharge or not everything about this incident could have been easily prevented
My mother, brother, grandfather, and I were in the film industry, specifically Telemundo in the 2010’s. As a little kid I remember getting a tour for how movies and shows were made and specifically remember when they were showing us how shootout scenes are done. The guide couldn’t stress enough how often they checked prop guns no matter what.
That was an actual fast draw technique called slip firing. But even if you thought you were loaded with blanks, blanks can cause injury so you don't point them directly at someone
Alec: “I didn’t pull the trigger, I wouldn’t do that”.
Press X to doubt.
X
Coincidentally, X was ALSO used to fire.
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I mean, its theoretically possible but only if someone pretty intentionally changed the internal safety mechanisms of the gun lol. That would probably be even more concerning than why there was live ammo on set though.
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All those one liners are S tier
You made three comments now, are you really that desperate for likes?
@@princezuko2718 the checkmarks plague, the unholy circlejerk of unfathomable nothingness.
Wth are YOU doing here. Never would have thought I would ever run into you in a comment section like this.
On one hand, based.
On the other, furry smogon hater.
14:50 in England there was (still is to my knowledge) a law that you must actively show that a firearm is clear before handing said firearm to someone else. Can do prison time if you don’t do a basic nsp
My dude, that version of big iron was slick.
With Brandon’s demonstration of what MIGHT have happened, it still breaks the number one rule of don’t have your fucking finger on the trigger if you’re not going to fire the gun.
A broken trigger spring (or the screw that holds the trigger spring). The trigger/sear NEEDS spring pressure to engage the hammer sear or the half-cock safety notch. With a broken trigger spring it's very possible the gun fired exactly how he said. The gun CAN firer without pulling the trigger (I believe a few ways). I think he also said in an interview that it was done in front of a camera, for which there may be video footage.
@@deucedeuce1572 my friend a single action revolver requires more than trigger it requires you to actually cock it back first without that nothing happens. Guns don't fucking fire without you fucking with the trigger and if there's video evidence they aren't showing it probably because it shows him fucking with the trigger.
@@thebloodyshaman7695 Yeah, he said he cocked the hammer and when the hammer slipped (or he let go I forget), the gun fired without him pulling the trigger (which is what could happen with a broken trigger spring). Without the trigger spring, there's nothing to make it engage the hammer. If you're not getting what I said, then you're ignorant of how they work and shouldn't be speaking in absolutes. Old school single action revolvers Absolutely Can Fire without the trigger being pulled if the trigger spring is broken or if the screw that holds the trigger spring is missing, is too loose or is broken.
Yup take the booger hook off the bang switch
Yep, still spells negligent homicide.
As soon as I heard Baldwin's claim that he "never pulled the trigger" I instantly knew either he was lying and pulled the trigger after cocking, OR he had the trigger already depressed and then pulled back the hammer. I have never even handled a revolver, but I knew enough about old revolvers due to my interest in Civil War/Western history to know how they work.
More than likely had the trigger held down already.
Well if its manslaughter i hope the trigger feels bettet
I mean couldnt a hammer fall also cause the bullet to fire becuase hammer falls are rare but still
He literally said he pulled the hammer back, not fully cocked, and let it go.
there's a 3rd option, broken/sabotaged gun. If what he said happened happen, the gun would have to be broken.
Dude, I'm late to the show but you really need a tiny block of wood in your car. 2x2 or 4x4 Its great for use as a "middle man tool that prevents metal on metal contact" is great for guns and their beautiful finishes. Hell of a good video!
😂😂😂 that blank round got me good. Man I'm sitting at me doctors in tears haha
I remember my dad’s cousin let me hold his AR-15 and I instinctively put the safety on and checked if it was loaded which surprise to no one it was. It was the first ever real firearm that I had in my hands but thanks to all the gun tubers I have learned at least some basic gun safety.
Very good bro
You sir deserve a beer
Basically your uncle's AR-15
Good stuff dude
This is allot off times the way you get the first gun in you're hands. We all know better still it happens daily.
Regardless - the real question is HOW on this green earth did a live round not only get on the set, but was loaded into a set piece. Unacceptable !
I love how hours after Alec Baldwin says he fired it without pulling the trigger, almost every gun tuber is making a video saying it’s false! It’s a great community
Yep just like that militia group that shot 5 of their own guys and blamed the rifle
yeah i like it here 👌
@@skeleboi8507 "calls an AR-15 platform a bullpup because of supposed high recoil"
@@rokairu0-216 when that came out i just got my ar15 and havent used it yet.. Even at that knowledge level it was clear he was talking shit.. Irresponsible to have a gun and not know the basics
It's not a victory to prove Alec wrong. The 2A community, IMO, just point out how firearms work, test his theory, and give the results. Someone lost their life, it's not something we should celebrate. Again, JMO
As I understand they had live ammo on the set because they were blinking at Targets during breaks. That's why it should have been triple checked quadruple checked and then checked again.
Thank you for your knowledge and your stand on the ATF we gotta all stand together brother
As a former NRA Chief Range Safety Officer & Pistol Instructor - Here are the ONLY 3 possible theories beside intentional homicide:
1. Exactly as you described.
2. If the trigger had been altered (bubba trigger job) or disassembled/reassembled incorrectly, the hammer could potentially have not caught the sear & therefore slipped as Baldwin pulled the hammer. This could easily be found out by inspecting the firearm in evidence.
3. If the "prop" firearm is also used as a "non-prop gun" for live fire (HUGE No-No) it could have potentially gotten a squib (bullet stuck in barrel) that either went unnoticed or got forgotten about. Then the firearm ends up back on a movie set with TRUE blanks. A blank would now have more than sufficient energy to push the bullet lodged in the barrel out at lethal velocity. Bores of all prop guns should be checked for any kind of obstruction before firearms are loaded with blanks and handed out to cast.
All 3 theories still point to negligence/manslaughter on part of Baldwin for improper gun handling skills, and the armorer for failure to check the firearm & ammunition properly.
Hope this helps!!!
EDIT:
To answer whether a blank would have enough power to push a lodged bullet down a revolver barrel, despite the cylinder gap allowing gas to escape: only testing would confirm how much energy you could get out of the projectile. Cylinder gap size, blank type, and bullet type/weight will play a huge role in the results and need to be consistent with the firearm/projectile now in evidence.
Keep in mind that ANY normal round fired out of a revolver deals with cylinder gap as well. In that case, the projectile gets to accelerate inside the cylinder first, before skipping the gap into the forcing cone and bore. At this point the system loses gas at the cylinder gap. What is interesting, is a revolver with a longer barrel generates more velocity than a short barrel - proving that there is still enough pressure to accelerate the bullet - even past the cylinder gap!
Like Mitchell commented, blank powder's burn rate is VERY fast and mimics a detonation more than a burn. This extreme pressure could theoretically (despite cylinder gap) still build up plenty of PSI in the bore necessary to accelerate a lodged bullet.
How fast does it need to come out to be deadly and pass through one person and lodge in another? Probably not even that fast. We'd likely be talking about a large, heavy bullet which does not need to travel fast to penetrate deep. Hutchins was a small framed woman, making over-penetration more likely.
As I mentioned in my original post, none of these theories - not even a firearm malfunction - excuse the poor gun handling on Baldwin's part, nor the insufficient safety inspection by the armorer (assuming Baldwin didn't bypass/ignore the armorer altogether). I'm personally just so curious about the exact technical details of this tragic incident, and hope that they are not hidden by the media simply to "blame guns on movie sets". I appreciate everyone's input and feedback!
With all these scenarios you described makes me think even more he shot them on purpose whether or not he thought it was dummy.
THANK YOU! Most of these dipshits on UA-cam have never heard of nor had a hammer push off. Usually from what you describe as a bubba trigger job. I'm really sick and tired of clowns with new Colt's say it just can't happen when it can, has and will happen. Having said that I do not believe Baldwin's story though.
You forgot the dummy round theory. Because it's a revolver the other bullets in the cylinder should actually have projectiles in them but no propellant. Unfortunately, if these were made on set and somebody forgot and left the primer this could also be a Cause.
@@deuscoromat742 good point! A primed dummy round could have easily caused a squibbed bullet, and then fallen right into Theory 3 👌🏼 Fault would still remain with armored/Baldwin
@@NWFishingSecrets I mean they claimed they fired the gun multiple times at targets on set in between takes, so they knew the gun was readily capable of firing. Combined with two accidental discharges resulting in crew walking off set, I'm not going to blame the gun as much as I am the people involved.
"A blank round? IDK how that got on set" absolutely killed me, 10/10
If a blank killed you, I could only imagine what.. nevermind
Hope you weren't a camerman
People need to stop talking about blanks. The gun was supposed to be loaded with dummy rounds (they look real but are totally inert) and a real live BULLET got mixed in with them.
You see, it only killed you figuratively though. Unlike Baldwin who killed someone literally.
@@BlooCollaGal there was absolutely no reason for the gun to have anything in the chamber at all.
They were "blocking" the scene, figuring out where to put the cameras for best view, while the actors rehearsed it.
Absolutely no reason for blanks, dummies, *ANYTHING* to be loaded.
I always knew the phrase 'Going off half-cocked' was pistol related but now I know in detail, thanks.
I stand behind Alec.
Miles behind. Definitely don’t stand in front of that guy.
That is awesome
Dudes got no trigger discipline or gun knowledge.
Somebody tell Hilarious his wife to not stand by her man but behind him.... way behind him.
BUT and it is a big BUT, that fucker can turn around and suddenly you are in front. *click*
@@N1lav the moment he starts turning around you cave his head in with your foot and keep pounding until you are wearing boots made of Baldwin brains. in court you can claim self defense.
I love how after the shot at 4:30 you can hear the stereotypical ricochet sound. It's such a perfect ricochet sound that I'd think it was fake if I hadn't heard rounds do that in person. Fits so well with the old western firearm. Perfection.
I noticed that too, cowboy guns are awesome
@@yawattYT Doesn’t only happen with cowboy guns, just mostly subsonic projectiles ricocheting will make that sound (not tryna be condescending btw)
@@trippie_fabio3181 Cool! Can that ricochet noise happen with a .177 BB air gun?
@@bush2239 sure can, I've had it happen with that and .22LR many times
@@trippie_fabio3181 Interesting, didn't know that. Makes sense though.
I agree with the last scenario. It's called "slip shooting", we use it in Cowboy Competition utilizing a two-handed grip. Baldwin ignorantly mishandled his firearm and, of course, live ammo on the set was criminal.
"Well if this blank is here... Then the real bullet-... UH-OH!"
Alec Baldwin: I was handed the gun by the producer on set
Also Alec: I was the producer on set
There is usually more than 1 producer for a film. For Rust, there are 6: Alec Baldwin, Matt DelPiano, Ryan Donnell Smith, Anjul Nigam, Ryan Winterstern, and Nathan Klingher
You shouldn't allow your blind hatred of this man to cause you to be so dumb.
Alec Baldwin's producer credit was strictly for shit like script changes and casting. He's not overseeing the fucking props and managing the armorer.
He was handed the gun by the AD who got it from the Armorer who oked the gun. What this video does not know is the strict protocol for fireams in a film set and why the actors are not the one who checks the rounds. The film set is not a gun range. For one actors are expected to act a scene and shoot other actors with blanks. Sometimes real guns with real ammo is uaed, guns with blanks and sometimes dummy guns. The main purpose of firearms is to tell a story and not to shoot live bullets to a target. And the main purpose is to shoot a scene, not to shoot a target. Some of those actors barely had gun training. There is a specific reason why armorers are responsible for all firearms and ammo in the set and why they are the one's to load it. Why the armorer must hand the gun to the actor or AD and verbally say that is is a blank. This guy knows guns but casually mocks the actor without even knowing why protocols in filmmaking is different.
@@henryposadas295 "This guy knows guns but casually mocks the actor without even knowing why protocols in filmmaking is different."
You say that as if these protocols prevent people from being shot on set...
Baldwin deserves to be mocked because he still to this day refuses to accept any responsibility.
I've seen a few "accidental discharge" weapons in my life. 2 shotguns, 2 AR's, 1 pistol, each and everyone of them had something in common, the handling of the weapons was careless and lacked training while unloading, inspecting or moving them, you LEOs know I'm talking about. Everyone of them denied having a finger on the trigger when it went of, the brain due to the shock of what just occurred blocks it. 1 guy had shotgun go of inside patrol car thru the floor, was deaf for minutes until he realized what happened and reported "the gun just went of". 🤣
If I'm not mistaken, guns have multiple safeguards to prevent discharge without operation of the trigger. So if the trigger is not pulled, it must have been multiple catastrophic failures to cause it to go off
@@ntfoperative9432 Its pretty easy to accidentaly shoot guns if you don't pay much attention to what your doing. You have to be aware and pay attention
Poor quality guns can go off without touching the trigger. I've seen people drop cheap guns which go off when they hit the ground. A single-action revolver, however, cannot do that.
SWAT cop almost took my foot off with a slug, while working RSO. I was 2 paces back and 1 pace right, when he fumbled a transition and got his shotgun hung up on the 50lb of crap on his belt. I felt the shockwave as it passed inches from my ankle and into the dirt behind me.
What does being a LEO have to do with anything? Deputy had me in cuffs and flagged me several times with my own Makarov, 3rd time he aimed it at my face while he was asking another officer "You ever seen one of these?" Because apparently neither had ever seen a European style/Heel magazine release in their lives. I had to yell at him and let him know a round was in the chamber as he fidgeted with it and aimed at me. I then had to explain how to operate the damn thing while cuffed. When we got to the station I told my cousin that his officers need a weapons familiarization course.
Came back to visit this gem felt appropriate with the trial going on now.
Appreciated the first giggidy, and the "pull out" giggidy I liked too. Also amazing last shot at the end. I'm very curious of the truth behind this story, so thanks for these pistol details.
After hearing an interview with a guy who was LAPD and had been the Firearms Wrangler on like 400 movies and TV shows, and hearing him talk about how it all works, I just don't see how it could be an accident that the gun was loaded with live ammo.
Apparently it's like the well-known mortal movie sin to bring live ammo to a set.
He said even when he would show up to the movie set he had a safe in the prop trailer to lock his duty weapon and ammo in, and he was a damn cop.
NO ONE brings live ammo onto a set.
Yet someone did, and loaded it into the prop gun.
I can count at least eight separate violations of safety rules, by at least three people, for that to happen. If someone did that, they would have to assume that other people would be stupid enough to violate all the safety rules. If they had followed even one rule at any one time, she would be alive.
It was not a prop gun. It was a real gun. A prop, by definition, cant accept a real round.
They where using real gun with blank. With, unless for a close/slowmo shot of the gun, is already a bad idea to have on set.
A movie set should not use real gun with blank for all filming. Non firing prop for all training/repet/ non gunfight fillming, prop for gunfight scene. And maybe real one with blank for special colse up artistical filming. And even for that last point there is real good prop for it. 0 reason for AB to have a real gun in the rust event.
The "head armorer" was hopelessly incompetent and under-qualified. Apparently she wasn't even on set at the time of the shooting.
@@chiriematthieu wrong. A prop is just anything which is property of the studio. Thats what prop is short for
@@BlooCollaGal
She's the daughter of the most famous prop masters but yeah she wasn't on set at the time last I checked.
There was people actually slandering her and started digging into her personal life as ammo to publicly shame her which was a dick move.
Her reputation is ruined and probably wouldn't want to continue her father's legacy after this shit show.
Having a live round in the gun on a movie set was already a bit of an unlikely but unfortunate scenario... To say the gun also went off by itself would make it a near on impossible scenario
On set live ammo wasn’t unlikely cause people were using it to shoot cans
@@Brent-jj6qi It should also have been the first thing checked by everyone that touched the gun, even if you're told a weapon is safe there's only one person you can trust for sure (here's a hint; it's you)
This only happened because a daisy-chain of fuckups was allowed to continue, half the staff walked out because they weren't being safe, probably everyone that actually knew anything about firearm safety.
Well the factor that ties it all together is incompetent armorers: can't manage ammo, can't maintain guns, can't train people... Really it explains everything.
Omg lmao, shiner brand beer. I've got their new slogan all picked out. "Give your wife a shiner" 😂😂😂
I appreciate that you have proper hearing protection on, a lot of gun lovers seems to forget about that in their videos.
And he already lost most of his hearing, yet he still wears them, safety first
What is beyond me is that how a real bullet can make it's way on a set.
The immature armorer decided it would be fun to practice shooting on set between takes.
Just incompetents all the way around! Stupid people with no common sense shouldn’t be allowed to operate a shovel cleaning up horse shit let alone anything firearm related!
whats even more beyond me is how it managed to kill someone just coincidentally.
@@vladpasha6266you think he intentionally killed someone? Get a grip of yourself mate
@3rdPlaya0709 i dont know what exactly happened but i do know that it's not easy to aim at someone and shoot them and actually get a fatal hit even with the intent of killing them. With enough distance, your aim would have to be pretty on point. Now think about how he managed to do that by accident? statistically, if the gun happens to go off on accident most of the time it will hit nothing and very rarely it might hit someone and even more rarely is it a fatal shot
Has there been a forensic report on the firearm & spent round? If not we don't know if they were modified. Therefore I will have to stand behind Baldwin... only because it's too dangerous to stand in front of him.
Oh, damn. Shots fired!
@@davidritchie9344 literally
@@johngun4377
Lmao
Agreed!
Wow...
ive always wanted one of these
Now that it's 2 years later and the armorer is on trial we've learned that the FBI actually had to hit the gun's hammer with a mallet hard enough to fracture the safety lever and shear the seer off to make it fire from rear impact; though there has never been any evidence of impact at the time of the shooting.
Once the seer was damaged and the lever was gone the gun was entirely non-functional and couldn't even be fired by fanning; ruling out a defective trigger.
They essentially proved that Baldwin had to have either "depressed" the trigger unintentionally or "pulled" the trigger intentionally; which is going to be a problem for his defense when his involuntarily manslaughter trial comes in a couple of months.
As far as where the live rounds came from, there's still a whole bunch of finger pointing but no clear documented origin or explanation of their presence.
I think the culpability for the live rounds is going to fall squarely on the armorer.
What's even worse for Baldwin is, according to his Producer (the one that was shot and standing behind Halyna), the scene didn't call for him to aim the gun at all.
@@JeepGirl941 yeah; I think the case against him is actually more solid than the one against the armorer.
Just sad because this could have all been avoided if they had followed the simple ammunition and muzzle safety rules many of us learned as kids.
I think Alec is right I've often caught my revolvers loading themselves and trying to point at people, so much so I have to keep them locked up inside a steel box where there is no ammo. Though I have found scratch marks inside the box where I'm sure they were caused by the revolvers trying to escape so they can get to the ammo...
Man your revolvers really love that ammo, theyll do anything to get to it jeez
@@Cnupoc it’s like crack to them
They're addicted LOL
Could it have been altered to allow the hammer to avoid half-cock? Let say so that the could fan it with pullong the trigger for filing. I am genuinely curious.
@@ssshanemjlll Sure,even the trigger could have been altered,but surely that would come out right away once it was properly examined and baldwin and the armourer would have been leaping on it as an excuse. Doesnt absolve pisspoor gun safety behaviour though.
Alec: "I didn't pull the trigger" Everyone: "something's fucky"
W comment 😂
Mhhhhhh something is fuckyyyyy
A believe broken trigger spring could have caused the gun to fire exactly how he said. Assuming anything else would be baseless (without any evidence) and hypocritical (assuming a man's guilt without evidence and violating his Right to be presumed innocent... which is a Right we would each want afforded to ourselves if we were ever accused of a crime or found ourselves in a similar situation.)
Thanks for showing the action with the trigger down and the hammer being manipulated. I think this cloud also happen with a transfer bar. It's a good visual illustration of keeping your finger out of the trigger guard.
Using an empty SA revolver w/ transfer bar, I tried the same experiment and it would have fired, if the trigger was held down & hammer was pulled back and released.
My nephew and I came to the same conclusion when Baldwin first claimed he didn't pull the trigger
This video aged like a fine wine; News just broke that the revolver involved in the incident was mechanically sound, AKA it could only fire if the trigger was pulled.
Brandon could easily work for the police as a civilian consultant
Yeah but why would the guy told to do this or that be the one catching all the heat when it seems clear that whoever was in charge of that gun is responsible since its their job to get it ready.
@@AmaryIIion I never said that. All the people in this incident directly responsible in some way are at fault; the armourer for failing to do her job and prevent his from happening in the first place (how the HELL did live rounds make it to a film set in the first place?), the Assistant director, who was not competent enough to clear the gun and declare it cold before handing it to Alec Baldwin, and Alec Baldwin, being so ignorant to even basic firearms safety that he can't comprehend that the gun went off when he had his finger on the trigger. His negligence combined with the other two parties, directly resulted in an innocent woman getting killed and the director getting injured.
@@burnyburnoutze2nd oh yeah I know he lied and stuff and I was more asking with herrara in mind because he really seems to hate Baldwin for not mostly being the blame because he's just handed the gun and told to do whatever with it. Herrera makes it seem like he like took it off a desk and was going to act like he was shooting someone as a joke and it goes off, if that were even it he still wouldn't the the only to blame.
@@AmaryIIion ots because baldwin is one of the most vocally anti gun people in hollywood. Fucking hates them. Constantly demonizing gun owners every chance he gets.
Being a lover of wheel guns and an owner of, well a "few", I wholeheartedly agree! Nice job Brandon. Love your videos.
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I was thinking that the most logical scenario was Alec had his finger squeezing the trigger while he pulled the hammer back similar to a fan but it still sucks that he didn't check it.
@Fishing and Freedom Fiend We need to ban boats. Incidents of boating accidents have skyrocketed in the last decade.
While the armorer would have some blame if she didn't check or allowed live ammo on set, the fault is still on Alec Baldwin for:
1. Not checking the gun himself and making sure it had no live ammo.
2. Aiming the weapon, loaded or not, at someone even if the trigger wasn't pulled somehow.
SAG preventing rules on firearms training for actor that will handle them is an admission that they are willing to sacrifice the safety of those on set to prevent liability to the actors
Love that the firearms community is calling him out on his BS.
This is why I'm - whilst not a gun nut at all, like brandon's videos. He's open minded. Yes - he called bullshit on the "I didn't shoot her" claim - but he shows in his last scenario, what might have happened. This - and with it, have a look at my post about the poor maintenance - a poorly maintained weapon could fire, just by cocking the hammer. And this is, what just might have happened. And this isn't something that's possible to happen, if two people tell you, that they have proven it to be an empty, unloaded gun. This was a filmset after all. There's no place, where life rounds are "acceptable" in this case. Next time someone blasts the whole crew to dust with a pound of C4, because nobody cared, if it's the real deal or not.
I’ve never even owned a revolver and I knew it was bullshit the moment I heard that he said the trigger wasn’t pulled, I knew about the half cocked stage on the hammer and I knew that these guns have been improved over more than a hundred years
what generation M3
@@savagetuner2404 e46 with a top mount turbo and built engine 💪
The modern replicas are still not safe to carry six, and if they were using vintage, they're well known to fire from releasing before half cock, or even bumping the hammer on one's hip.
@@ryanj610 that’s extremely rare and wasn’t the case here
@@Boostiverse yet you can rig any single shot to fire off the hammer in 10 seconds.
I've had the same theory since I heard him state that he didn't pull the trigger.
It very well could have happened the way he said, assuming the armorer re-assembled the gun incorrectly and failed to perform a basic function check before approving it for use. If you install the bolt, bolt spring, hand, hammer and trigger in the incorrect order then the hammer won't catch on the mainspring, and won't latch. This also doesn't account for live ammo being present on set, let alone in the prop department. Baldwin is probably guilty of 2nd degree manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter if he's lucky, since he might not have even needed to pull the trigger. That said, he probably did have his booger hook in the trigger guard, which is a design flaw in the M1873'a grip shape as far as trigger discipline goes.
Great vid, congrats on being in a Mr. Beast video for 5 seconds. Must have been fun blowing up the bridge with Jimmy.
I kept waiting on them to circle back to that
What video was that
@@EverythingDigital5779 a mr beasts bid, where he gets chased by army guys, and in the bgeining they blow up a bridge, and brandon is there
@@AlexDerange link?
@@EverythingDigital5779 just look it up on ytb
I love how the first time he demonstrates his theory he shoots from the hip and still puts one on target.
yea and he cant hit the target while he is aiming lol definitely a ak guy
@@cajuncountry4885 💀
If you haven't shot a SA revolver much, you should. Surprising easy to do even for an average shooter. He is good though no doubt about that. Too fast to be a newbie.
While doing a reenactment/show (using blanks) a friend of mine had a gun stuck in his belt and it fell out while on hard ground and it went on so the impact was a little different to using the ak mag but an impact can set a cartridge off on plus side we were just using blanks and no one was hurt
Well done. Was taught range safety 50 years ago, and still remember the mantra. Treat every firearm as loaded until you've made sure. Never point a firearm at a person. I would have thought these rules would have been basic to actors using prop weapons. Check and recheck. No excuse for carelessness.
As soon as Baldwin said "I didn't pull the trigger" I knew what happened, and your video illustrates it perfectly.
But, to the ignorant, misinformed, and biased...when they hear him say "I didn't pull the trigger" it reinforces their belief that guns are the problem since they must "go off by themselves."
The gun could have a defect. I have a similar pistol that fired on full cock without pulling the trigger (luckily into the ground) due to a mechanical issue, immediately put the gun up and took it to a gunsmith to fix though, wasn't pointing it at anyone, etc. It isn't a defense, and i'm not really a fan of Baldwin, but investigation into the pistol would confirm if that is a real possibility. I like the video and explanation here, but it at least needs to be mentioned that it COULD happen on a particular gun IF it isn't mechanically sound. big IFs.
@@christopherwood9225 Big IFs indeed. I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that a forensic examination proves there was no mechanical defect.
@@shooter505 I'd go quite a bit larger on the odds there, and my immediate thought was and still is the same as yours. The fact it happened on mine, when it had been previously firing perfectly fine with hundreds of rounds through it had to be closer to 1 in a million is what gives me pause and say he deserves his day in court and the facts will speak for themselves though. I was with 3 friends that thought I was dicking around when mine went off, which is based off the same reaction as we all have here. They realized it wasn't that when I put it away and stopped firing anything the rest of the day. It is certainly not a good feeling when a gun goes off you don't mean to. Key point here though, is if following the most basic of safety guidelines it can happen and nobody is in danger. I still think he was simply being careless and is trying to cover his ass saying this, because everything else that led up to it shouldn't have happened anyway. His typical arrogance works against him 1000%.
@@christopherwood9225 Unfortunately, it is his interviews that show ignorance, whether he truly is or not.
@@christopherwood9225 Still doesn’t take away from the fact that he was handling the firearm, with a live round in it. He still pointed it at people, still his fault. Even if guns aren’t loaded you should never point them.
Brandon: Smacking AK mag on revolver hammer
Morse code people: Write that down! Write that down!
That sounds legit actually lol someone check into this
The trigger on a firearm is like a "finger magnet" to the "Untrained" IMHO the hardest and therefore the PRIMARY handling safety protocol.
"Halting produccion" is one of the crazietst things ive ever heard💀