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I once played a cop as an extra on a low budget filmset in a country where guns are a rarety. And when I was given the prop gun, which was an airsoft, even then the "armorer" did a check in front of me and asked me to do another verification myself to confirm that it was empty. How this apparently wasn't a thing on a filmset where real firearms may actually used is beyond me.
One would think that a country that has the most guns in the world, (more guns than actual people) and probably the largest volume movie production, would follow these common sense safety guidelines.
@@RickyGuterson you'd think but Hollywood is full of idiots. Like that clip of the director of Suicide Squad flagging Will Smith and Will smacking the gun away
You're giving him the benefit of the doubt. He actually claimed that you're not allowed to check the weapon once it's been given to you, because everyone will think your loading it. Seeing as how that's a bs statement that only someone ignorant on firearms would think sounds smart it's safe to assume he lied. His given reason that people will assume you're trying to load it is extremely suspicious as well, like he's thought about that. Finally, after the shooting they performed a safety sweep for other live rounds and found some on his belt. I don't know why everyone is automatically assuming he's completely innocent in all this. We have to assume that a random bullet found it's way past the armoror, the assistant director, Baldwin and then was the one out of six that could have been fired.
People need to stop talking about blanks. The gun was *supposed* to be loaded with dummy rounds (they look real but are totally inert) and a real live BULLET got mixed in with them.
@bonk proof XD I mean how does he come up with that stuff? Just a comedic genius! Let me try one: "Person dying in 3, 2, 1..." hm, somehow doesn't have the same ring to it...
I remember years ago a friend brought me to another friend's house. Guy was something of a gun nut. He pulls out a 1911, waving it around like a dick. I asked him not to and he says "It's not loaded, you think I'd wave a loaded weapon around?" and to prove his point he racks the slide and a fucking round flies out. I looked, he said, "Now it's not loaded!" I asked to see it, dropped the magazine which had rounds in it, tossed that at him then racked it myself watching the live round hit the carpet. Never been so disgusted with another gun owner.
I've been around guns since I was born, had one in my hand since age 6, hell I never trust myself that a weapon is unloaded, I will double and triple check myself. When I see people acting like that it sends shivers down my spine, how easy they could end someone they love or themselves.
It's almost like every single one of us who has even a cursory amount of knowledge about how single-action revolvers work knew exactly how this test was going to play out. Funny thing, isn't that?
I'm British, had a blank firing Ruger SAA copy as a teen, Handgun ban since 1997.... So I havent touched a handgun of ANY type for 25+ years... Knew it would be some "Fanning" type fuck up without a second thought. QUESTION. How thick is Baldwin's index finger? (Not joking) Reason I ask is that I have dainty little hands, but wearing gloves for me with "El Blanko" was a BIG No No ... jammed in the trigger guard EVERY. Damn. Time.
I'm also from the UK and when i heard what had happened i said to myself "But that can't happen". Even us lot over here have some knowledge of how guns work.
@@cardiffpicker1 "intentionally" is the key word there. There are lots of ways to *accidentally* pull the trigger - significantly fewer ways to fire the gun without pulling the trigger.
The real question on this entire thing: WHO LOADED THE GUN WITH LIVE AMMO? Or a better question: Why was live ammo even on the set? This entire situation is beyond bizarre.
From what I’ve heard, it’s fairly normal for the crew to bring live ammo to just have fun shooting at things, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is banned going forward.
i've watched a few videos about this. from what i've seen, the gun was never actually loaded with any live rounds. the fault lies in the prop master never cleaning the barrel of the revolver and when the blank was fired it discharged small particulates of metal shavings or something
@@scallywag5236 what 2 guns on set, and where switched during a time when everyone was rushing about trying to figure out what went w, as guns have rifleing which is like a guns finger print the bullet that was found would match the gun, It's an interesting idea but one would need a silencer to damping the sound, but where was the other person stood not to be seen. It's a possibility but highly unlikely
Of course he is going to blame the gun. Firstly it gets him off the hook (or so he hopes). Secondly he can use this as an example that proves guns are dangerous even "in competent hands in controlled conditions", so naturally we ought to ban these things. Win-win for him.
Alec "Who knows fuck-all about firearms" Baldwin: "I didn't pull the trigger." Everyone who knows firearms and has access to the internet: "Let us show you where you're wrong chief."
Can we talk about the fact that Brandon casually hip fire nailed the steel when demonstrating his theory of what actually happened. Man's becoming more of a Texas cowboy by the day
The woman they hired as the armorer said after the incident something along the lines of, "My career is over. Do you know how hard it is for a woman to be taken seriously in this field?" Pretty telling when you consider it was her that most likely brought the live rounds onto set.
I'm sure she meant to say "My career is over. Do you know how hard it is for an armorer that allowed live rounds on a movie set to be taken seriously in this field?
From TMZ "Gutierrez, who was trained as an armorer by her dad, Thell Reed, tells the officer, "I'm the only female armorer in the game and I just f****d up my whole entire career." She later refers to herself as a "f*****g failure.""
@@KINGBublepop All things consdered... Yeah she's basically the DEFINITION of a failure. She failed at her job and someone died as a result of her poor work. You LITERALLY can not be a bigger failure than someone dying directly because of your actions, like it's not even funny.
"This is the single greatest handgun ever made, the Colt Single-action Army. Six bullets, more than enough to kill anything that moves" -Revolver Ocelot- Alec Baldwin, probably
Anyone familiar with the Colt SAA knows to load one, skip one, load four. Hammer will rest on an empty chamber. Only five rounds for safety. Known for over 150 years.
Pietta actually makes two versions of this pistol, one of them has a transfer bar mechanism. Brandon appears to have the other one that doesn't. The transfer bar version has a firing pin in the frame instead and of course is even harder to get to fire unintentionally.
@@mrstryfe Yes, unless you're deliberately fanning the hammer to fire - which is why Pietta makes one without it. There's use cases for both, of course. They also make one that is visually identical to the .45LC guns, fires special .380 blanks and cannot chamber any normal round; it is intended specifically for use in film and theater production. There really is no excuse for this to have happened.
@@TexasSpectre My theory on the live round is that the minor actors, armorer, crew when they aren't shooting a scene were going out on the ranch and shooting beer bottles after drinking them because they were bored. It makes sense to have live rounds for the gun for recoil testing for actors to know what it should look like but I dont think that's why they had them. I think the kids were being stupid and playing around and left the gun loaded and didn't check it when they handed it to Baldwin due to being hung over or whatever.
Brandon, you got it exactly right. Even in some of the video they show on the news, Baldwin has his finger inside the trigger guard. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I’m sure he didn’t consciously pull the trigger but unknowingly had enough pressure on it for the revolver to fire when he released the hammer as you just demonstrated.
Forget about Alec Baldwin for a second. Please explain to me why live ammo would ever be used on any movie set under any circumstances. I can't grasp it.
Only movie i can think of is that scene where ash shoots the window out in the 1st evil dead. Then again that was 8 college kids with 30 bucks and a dream not a multi billion dollar industry giant.
Wasn't intentionally "used". My best guess, and a guess is all it is: It stands to reason that anyone that's been tagged as the "gun expert" who is responsible for providing and managing all the firearms on set, is most likely also a gun ENTHUSIAST. This is a person who does a good bit of his/her own shooting in their private life, and owns MANY firearms. It's no stretch to assume that a person fitting this description would have a large array of different kinds of loads and ammo stored in close proximity to one another. At this point, you've entered the margin of human error where this "expert" negligently allowed some live ammo to co-mingle with some blanks....mix in the chaos of a movie set, and a culture where EVERYTHING IS BY DEFINITION FAKE...and somebody ends up dead.
@@juneyshu6197 Yep, that was apparently the story most quoted in the various articles, the armorer and a few other production team members had taken the prop firearms to do some live shooting nearby. So it ended up that either the prop gun had a live round or two still in the chambers when the firearm was stored, or it was emptied but the armorer tossed the live rounds next to the blanks when she put away the firearm after their joy-shooting, instead of properly keeping things completely separate, probably intending to do so tomorrow when she wasn't tired. And then after she forgot someone loaded the firearm inadvertently with the live round(s) instead of the blanks, either due to rushing or unfamiliarity with the difference between live and blank rounds.
Why does nobody talk about the fact that the armorer said that, "loading a gun with blanks was the scariest thing she had ever done in her life." Someone that inexperienced has no place in that job.
@@skrimper Yeah, literally the only reason she had the job is because her dad was a well known armorer who had worked a ton of movies. Otherwise she's extraordinarily inexperienced.
Not sure if that was her exact wording, I recall it being more about 'the scariest part of the job was loading dummy rounds' because they look exactly like live rounds and any good armorer SHOULD be the most concerned about that aspect.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz yep that’s how I see, Alec will probably find a way to sneak around the fact that he pulled the trigger, but they better at least acknowledge that it was his job as a Producer to have a proper armorer.
When this news first broke my immediate thought was “what we’re live rounds doing within fifty miles of that set?” How is it even possible for an “armorer” to not instantly recognize live rounds by not only appearance but also feel and weight? Incredible ineptitude!
“The director had not cut filming, when a bullet fairly ripped, And Baldwin‘s aim was deadly with the prop-gun on his hip, Prop-gun on his hiiiiip…” I feel terrible now… almost as terrible as Alec claims to feel. #AKGnotifcationsquad
@TheButterAnvil He himself claims he doesn’t feel guilty, and there’s decades of evidence that he’s a damn psychopath with rage issues. I don’t give a f*** about calling him out, he sure as shit doesn’t give one about what he did, guaranteed.
@@TheButterAnvil I have no doubt that Baldwin feels at least some if not great remorse for what happened on set. That being said I am having trouble believing that he is feeling much guilt over it with how much he is trying to deflect the blame onto anyone and anything else. although now that I think of it that may be the result of him passing through the stages of grief.
@@TheButterAnvil He who plays the blame game feels no guilt. If he simply claimed responsibility like a man, I'd have more sympathy for him. Oh wait, he's in Hollywood. He doesn't know what "responsibility" means lmao
I was thinking that the most logical scenario was Alec had his finger squeezing the trigger while he pulled the hammer back similar to a fan but it still sucks that he didn't check it.
As I understand they had live ammo on the set because they were blinking at Targets during breaks. That's why it should have been triple checked quadruple checked and then checked again.
As a former NRA Chief Range Safety Officer & Pistol Instructor - Here are the ONLY 3 possible theories beside intentional homicide: 1. Exactly as you described. 2. If the trigger had been altered (bubba trigger job) or disassembled/reassembled incorrectly, the hammer could potentially have not caught the sear & therefore slipped as Baldwin pulled the hammer. This could easily be found out by inspecting the firearm in evidence. 3. If the "prop" firearm is also used as a "non-prop gun" for live fire (HUGE No-No) it could have potentially gotten a squib (bullet stuck in barrel) that either went unnoticed or got forgotten about. Then the firearm ends up back on a movie set with TRUE blanks. A blank would now have more than sufficient energy to push the bullet lodged in the barrel out at lethal velocity. Bores of all prop guns should be checked for any kind of obstruction before firearms are loaded with blanks and handed out to cast. All 3 theories still point to negligence/manslaughter on part of Baldwin for improper gun handling skills, and the armorer for failure to check the firearm & ammunition properly. Hope this helps!!! EDIT: To answer whether a blank would have enough power to push a lodged bullet down a revolver barrel, despite the cylinder gap allowing gas to escape: only testing would confirm how much energy you could get out of the projectile. Cylinder gap size, blank type, and bullet type/weight will play a huge role in the results and need to be consistent with the firearm/projectile now in evidence. Keep in mind that ANY normal round fired out of a revolver deals with cylinder gap as well. In that case, the projectile gets to accelerate inside the cylinder first, before skipping the gap into the forcing cone and bore. At this point the system loses gas at the cylinder gap. What is interesting, is a revolver with a longer barrel generates more velocity than a short barrel - proving that there is still enough pressure to accelerate the bullet - even past the cylinder gap! Like Mitchell commented, blank powder's burn rate is VERY fast and mimics a detonation more than a burn. This extreme pressure could theoretically (despite cylinder gap) still build up plenty of PSI in the bore necessary to accelerate a lodged bullet. How fast does it need to come out to be deadly and pass through one person and lodge in another? Probably not even that fast. We'd likely be talking about a large, heavy bullet which does not need to travel fast to penetrate deep. Hutchins was a small framed woman, making over-penetration more likely. As I mentioned in my original post, none of these theories - not even a firearm malfunction - excuse the poor gun handling on Baldwin's part, nor the insufficient safety inspection by the armorer (assuming Baldwin didn't bypass/ignore the armorer altogether). I'm personally just so curious about the exact technical details of this tragic incident, and hope that they are not hidden by the media simply to "blame guns on movie sets". I appreciate everyone's input and feedback!
THANK YOU! Most of these dipshits on UA-cam have never heard of nor had a hammer push off. Usually from what you describe as a bubba trigger job. I'm really sick and tired of clowns with new Colt's say it just can't happen when it can, has and will happen. Having said that I do not believe Baldwin's story though.
You forgot the dummy round theory. Because it's a revolver the other bullets in the cylinder should actually have projectiles in them but no propellant. Unfortunately, if these were made on set and somebody forgot and left the primer this could also be a Cause.
@@deuscoromat742 good point! A primed dummy round could have easily caused a squibbed bullet, and then fallen right into Theory 3 👌🏼 Fault would still remain with armored/Baldwin
@@NWFishingSecrets I mean they claimed they fired the gun multiple times at targets on set in between takes, so they knew the gun was readily capable of firing. Combined with two accidental discharges resulting in crew walking off set, I'm not going to blame the gun as much as I am the people involved.
I remember my dad’s cousin let me hold his AR-15 and I instinctively put the safety on and checked if it was loaded which surprise to no one it was. It was the first ever real firearm that I had in my hands but thanks to all the gun tubers I have learned at least some basic gun safety.
Any Hollywood actor/actress, really anyone who picks up a gun, should have basic gun safety drilled into them before they film. Boggles my mind that it isn’t already taught to them
One the first things my dad taught me is to always check if it’s loaded even after he checks if it’s loaded when handing it to me because YOU never know unless your seeing it with your eyes
As soon as I heard Baldwin's claim that he "never pulled the trigger" I instantly knew either he was lying and pulled the trigger after cocking, OR he had the trigger already depressed and then pulled back the hammer. I have never even handled a revolver, but I knew enough about old revolvers due to my interest in Civil War/Western history to know how they work.
Modern revolvers have a transfer bar that was specifically designed to stop accidental discharges that can happen with this type of revolver. He was not able to get a discharge, but I guarantee you there is a possibility of this firearm going off it's dropped or has some other impact on the hammer. It's the reason the transfer bar was designed. These are plenty safe for sport shooting in a very controlled environment, but these aren't something you should keep around your house loaded and people should be aware of the possibility of AD if it's dropped, not just blow it off because a guy on UA-cam couldn't replicate it.
@@jackdanson2 still doesnt excuse the fact that he pointed the gun at another human being and that the gun was loaded with a live round accidental discharge or not everything about this incident could have been easily prevented
With Brandon’s demonstration of what MIGHT have happened, it still breaks the number one rule of don’t have your fucking finger on the trigger if you’re not going to fire the gun.
A broken trigger spring (or the screw that holds the trigger spring). The trigger/sear NEEDS spring pressure to engage the hammer sear or the half-cock safety notch. With a broken trigger spring it's very possible the gun fired exactly how he said. The gun CAN firer without pulling the trigger (I believe a few ways). I think he also said in an interview that it was done in front of a camera, for which there may be video footage.
@@deucedeuce1572 my friend a single action revolver requires more than trigger it requires you to actually cock it back first without that nothing happens. Guns don't fucking fire without you fucking with the trigger and if there's video evidence they aren't showing it probably because it shows him fucking with the trigger.
@@thebloodyshaman7695 Yeah, he said he cocked the hammer and when the hammer slipped (or he let go I forget), the gun fired without him pulling the trigger (which is what could happen with a broken trigger spring). Without the trigger spring, there's nothing to make it engage the hammer. If you're not getting what I said, then you're ignorant of how they work and shouldn't be speaking in absolutes. Old school single action revolvers Absolutely Can Fire without the trigger being pulled if the trigger spring is broken or if the screw that holds the trigger spring is missing, is too loose or is broken.
I love how hours after Alec Baldwin says he fired it without pulling the trigger, almost every gun tuber is making a video saying it’s false! It’s a great community
@@rokairu0-216 when that came out i just got my ar15 and havent used it yet.. Even at that knowledge level it was clear he was talking shit.. Irresponsible to have a gun and not know the basics
It's not a victory to prove Alec wrong. The 2A community, IMO, just point out how firearms work, test his theory, and give the results. Someone lost their life, it's not something we should celebrate. Again, JMO
Has there been a forensic report on the firearm & spent round? If not we don't know if they were modified. Therefore I will have to stand behind Baldwin... only because it's too dangerous to stand in front of him.
Just incompetents all the way around! Stupid people with no common sense shouldn’t be allowed to operate a shovel cleaning up horse shit let alone anything firearm related!
@3rdPlaya0709 i dont know what exactly happened but i do know that it's not easy to aim at someone and shoot them and actually get a fatal hit even with the intent of killing them. With enough distance, your aim would have to be pretty on point. Now think about how he managed to do that by accident? statistically, if the gun happens to go off on accident most of the time it will hit nothing and very rarely it might hit someone and even more rarely is it a fatal shot
People need to stop talking about blanks. The gun was supposed to be loaded with dummy rounds (they look real but are totally inert) and a real live BULLET got mixed in with them.
@@Stop_Gooning there was absolutely no reason for the gun to have anything in the chamber at all. They were "blocking" the scene, figuring out where to put the cameras for best view, while the actors rehearsed it. Absolutely no reason for blanks, dummies, *ANYTHING* to be loaded.
I've seen a few "accidental discharge" weapons in my life. 2 shotguns, 2 AR's, 1 pistol, each and everyone of them had something in common, the handling of the weapons was careless and lacked training while unloading, inspecting or moving them, you LEOs know I'm talking about. Everyone of them denied having a finger on the trigger when it went of, the brain due to the shock of what just occurred blocks it. 1 guy had shotgun go of inside patrol car thru the floor, was deaf for minutes until he realized what happened and reported "the gun just went of". 🤣
If I'm not mistaken, guns have multiple safeguards to prevent discharge without operation of the trigger. So if the trigger is not pulled, it must have been multiple catastrophic failures to cause it to go off
@@ntfoperative9432 Its pretty easy to accidentaly shoot guns if you don't pay much attention to what your doing. You have to be aware and pay attention
Poor quality guns can go off without touching the trigger. I've seen people drop cheap guns which go off when they hit the ground. A single-action revolver, however, cannot do that.
SWAT cop almost took my foot off with a slug, while working RSO. I was 2 paces back and 1 pace right, when he fumbled a transition and got his shotgun hung up on the 50lb of crap on his belt. I felt the shockwave as it passed inches from my ankle and into the dirt behind me.
What does being a LEO have to do with anything? Deputy had me in cuffs and flagged me several times with my own Makarov, 3rd time he aimed it at my face while he was asking another officer "You ever seen one of these?" Because apparently neither had ever seen a European style/Heel magazine release in their lives. I had to yell at him and let him know a round was in the chamber as he fidgeted with it and aimed at me. I then had to explain how to operate the damn thing while cuffed. When we got to the station I told my cousin that his officers need a weapons familiarization course.
If you haven't shot a SA revolver much, you should. Surprising easy to do even for an average shooter. He is good though no doubt about that. Too fast to be a newbie.
I mean, its theoretically possible but only if someone pretty intentionally changed the internal safety mechanisms of the gun lol. That would probably be even more concerning than why there was live ammo on set though.
I think Alec is right I've often caught my revolvers loading themselves and trying to point at people, so much so I have to keep them locked up inside a steel box where there is no ammo. Though I have found scratch marks inside the box where I'm sure they were caused by the revolvers trying to escape so they can get to the ammo...
Could it have been altered to allow the hammer to avoid half-cock? Let say so that the could fan it with pullong the trigger for filing. I am genuinely curious.
@@ssshanemjlll Sure,even the trigger could have been altered,but surely that would come out right away once it was properly examined and baldwin and the armourer would have been leaping on it as an excuse. Doesnt absolve pisspoor gun safety behaviour though.
After hearing an interview with a guy who was LAPD and had been the Firearms Wrangler on like 400 movies and TV shows, and hearing him talk about how it all works, I just don't see how it could be an accident that the gun was loaded with live ammo. Apparently it's like the well-known mortal movie sin to bring live ammo to a set. He said even when he would show up to the movie set he had a safe in the prop trailer to lock his duty weapon and ammo in, and he was a damn cop. NO ONE brings live ammo onto a set. Yet someone did, and loaded it into the prop gun.
I can count at least eight separate violations of safety rules, by at least three people, for that to happen. If someone did that, they would have to assume that other people would be stupid enough to violate all the safety rules. If they had followed even one rule at any one time, she would be alive.
It was not a prop gun. It was a real gun. A prop, by definition, cant accept a real round. They where using real gun with blank. With, unless for a close/slowmo shot of the gun, is already a bad idea to have on set. A movie set should not use real gun with blank for all filming. Non firing prop for all training/repet/ non gunfight fillming, prop for gunfight scene. And maybe real one with blank for special colse up artistical filming. And even for that last point there is real good prop for it. 0 reason for AB to have a real gun in the rust event.
@@Stop_Gooning She's the daughter of the most famous prop masters but yeah she wasn't on set at the time last I checked. There was people actually slandering her and started digging into her personal life as ammo to publicly shame her which was a dick move. Her reputation is ruined and probably wouldn't want to continue her father's legacy after this shit show.
When I heard about this and he said he didn't pull the trigger, this is exactly what I surmised had happened as well. I'm no firearm expert, but having at least a rudimentary understanding of how guns operate helps
i don't trust it. he has reason to lie, rumor is he did point guns at people while talking. claiming that he did not finish cocking before he finished pointing seems much less likely than that he cocked, pointed, and settled the gun in his hand with the finger on the trigger, or assumed he had blanks and intentionally pulled the trigger.
This is why the rules of firearm safety are important. If you follow them, the only way someone gets injured is if the CIA sneaks a TNT filled cartridge into your magazine.
EDIT…. Read this!! The pietta has a bar that has to be activated by the trigger being pulled, that is internal in the hammer,… it pushes the firing pin out so it is long enough to detonate the primer!!! The TRIGGER HAS TO BE PULLED FOR THE PISTOL TO FIRE!! Without pulling the trigger, the bar is not pushed far enough into the hammer to make contact with the firing pin…. It may not have been a live round…. Often in scenes where a wheel gun is used with the muzzle area pointing towards the camera, armorers will glue bullets into the cylinder to give the visual of a loaded revolver. The practice is common but dowels must be glued behind the bullet to prevent loading a blank on top. A blank inserted behind a glued in projectile, is a live round!!!! The so called armored on set was completely unqualified for the job. Baldwin is a commie and a liar.
First off the revolver wasn't supposed be loaded with blanks, it was supposed to have dummies because the scene did not call for it to be fired. I feel that is very clear that he drew with his finger on the trigger, than cocked the hammer with his thumb. By doing this he inadvertently pulled the trigger a hair while pulling back the hammer which then would allow it to fire the moment he let the hammer fall...
Still, doesnt make it any less his fault that he was pointing the gun at peole who werent in the scene, in between takes. Even if it was supposed to be dummies, why the fck was that gun ever pointed at people who werent ever supposed to have it point at them even during scenes, and why the fck was it pointed at them BETWEEN TAKES?! Whatever he did caused the weapon to fire, and managed to break literally every single main rule of gun safety, never point your gun at anything your not willing to destroy=massive fail, keep your finger OFF the trigger until your ready to shoot= fail, know your target and whats behind it=fail, and treat EVERY weapon as if its loaded= Absolute giga massive fail.
@@legendaryjimbob7685yes but you’re ignoring the fact that 2 weapons experts are supposed to clear the weapon as totally safe for him to handle and in the scene he will be pointing said weapon at the camera man and crew to get the shot they need. There are rules for firearms used in movies one is no live ammunition ever on the set on days they are not doing live firing. Then on days they are live firing there is a whole other set of rules to follow. It should have been safe for him to practice his technique before filming no matter what he did short of throwing the pistol at someone. I don’t blame Alec for this but the armorer. The rule about not pointing a gun at something you’re not willing to destroy is an excellent rule under normal circumstances. You don’t have 2 experts that are supposed to make sure you can’t shoot someone accidentally at the range
Having a live round in the gun on a movie set was already a bit of an unlikely but unfortunate scenario... To say the gun also went off by itself would make it a near on impossible scenario
@@Brent-jj6qi It should also have been the first thing checked by everyone that touched the gun, even if you're told a weapon is safe there's only one person you can trust for sure (here's a hint; it's you) This only happened because a daisy-chain of fuckups was allowed to continue, half the staff walked out because they weren't being safe, probably everyone that actually knew anything about firearm safety.
Well the factor that ties it all together is incompetent armorers: can't manage ammo, can't maintain guns, can't train people... Really it explains everything.
Great video!, exactly what I thought, he "fanned" the hammer on a depressed trigger with a live round in the chamber while aiming at people. Ok, let's say the sear was somehow defective/broken, that would still mean a live round was in the chamber, hammer fully cocked AND released while aimed at people. It's a VERY simple and robust machine, not much can go wrong.
Speaking of cowboy loads: it was customary to only have 5 rounds in your revolver for day to day carry. You would add six if you new a shoot out was imminent. The chamber under the hammer was the empty one.
I love how after the shot at 4:30 you can hear the stereotypical ricochet sound. It's such a perfect ricochet sound that I'd think it was fake if I hadn't heard rounds do that in person. Fits so well with the old western firearm. Perfection.
This video aged like a fine wine; News just broke that the revolver involved in the incident was mechanically sound, AKA it could only fire if the trigger was pulled.
Yeah but why would the guy told to do this or that be the one catching all the heat when it seems clear that whoever was in charge of that gun is responsible since its their job to get it ready.
@@AmaryIIion I never said that. All the people in this incident directly responsible in some way are at fault; the armourer for failing to do her job and prevent his from happening in the first place (how the HELL did live rounds make it to a film set in the first place?), the Assistant director, who was not competent enough to clear the gun and declare it cold before handing it to Alec Baldwin, and Alec Baldwin, being so ignorant to even basic firearms safety that he can't comprehend that the gun went off when he had his finger on the trigger. His negligence combined with the other two parties, directly resulted in an innocent woman getting killed and the director getting injured.
@@burnyburnoutze2nd oh yeah I know he lied and stuff and I was more asking with herrara in mind because he really seems to hate Baldwin for not mostly being the blame because he's just handed the gun and told to do whatever with it. Herrera makes it seem like he like took it off a desk and was going to act like he was shooting someone as a joke and it goes off, if that were even it he still wouldn't the the only to blame.
@@AmaryIIion ots because baldwin is one of the most vocally anti gun people in hollywood. Fucking hates them. Constantly demonizing gun owners every chance he gets.
There is usually more than 1 producer for a film. For Rust, there are 6: Alec Baldwin, Matt DelPiano, Ryan Donnell Smith, Anjul Nigam, Ryan Winterstern, and Nathan Klingher
He was handed the gun by the AD who got it from the Armorer who oked the gun. What this video does not know is the strict protocol for fireams in a film set and why the actors are not the one who checks the rounds. The film set is not a gun range. For one actors are expected to act a scene and shoot other actors with blanks. Sometimes real guns with real ammo is uaed, guns with blanks and sometimes dummy guns. The main purpose of firearms is to tell a story and not to shoot live bullets to a target. And the main purpose is to shoot a scene, not to shoot a target. Some of those actors barely had gun training. There is a specific reason why armorers are responsible for all firearms and ammo in the set and why they are the one's to load it. Why the armorer must hand the gun to the actor or AD and verbally say that is is a blank. This guy knows guns but casually mocks the actor without even knowing why protocols in filmmaking is different.
@@henryposadas295 "This guy knows guns but casually mocks the actor without even knowing why protocols in filmmaking is different." You say that as if these protocols prevent people from being shot on set... Baldwin deserves to be mocked because he still to this day refuses to accept any responsibility.
14:50 in England there was (still is to my knowledge) a law that you must actively show that a firearm is clear before handing said firearm to someone else. Can do prison time if you don’t do a basic nsp
@@N1lav the moment he starts turning around you cave his head in with your foot and keep pounding until you are wearing boots made of Baldwin brains. in court you can claim self defense.
I’ve never even owned a revolver and I knew it was bullshit the moment I heard that he said the trigger wasn’t pulled, I knew about the half cocked stage on the hammer and I knew that these guns have been improved over more than a hundred years
The modern replicas are still not safe to carry six, and if they were using vintage, they're well known to fire from releasing before half cock, or even bumping the hammer on one's hip.
My first thought when I heard AB say he didn't "Pull the trigger" was, I bet he was not practicing safe trigger discipline and had his finger on the trigger just as you demonstrated.
I'm willing to accept that he thought he didn't pull the trigger, but that just highlights once again the lack of proper training and safety procedures around that set. And that still doesn't change the fact that the trigger was, barring an actual malfunction, indeed pulled. The one thing I always drill into my students before they even touch a loaded firearm is trigger discipline, because that's what every new shooter fails at. Even a half competent instructor on set would have prevented this tragedy.
Just want to throw a comment in here that an impact to the hammer or dropping the hammer from a partially-cocked position CAN cause a discharge in this type of firearm. It's not super-likely, and I'm not surprised that Brandon couldn't get it to happen here, but it is a possibility. Primers can vary in both sensitivity of the priming compound and in how hard or soft the metal is. Primers can also sit a little deeper or shallower in the primer pocket due to variations in reloading equipment/processes. Also, the protrusion of a gun's firing pin can vary due to tolerances and/or wear. So while an impact or light hammer strike may not reliably set off a round, it is very much a possibility if some other factors align. It was common practice back in the day to only load five rounds, keeping the cylinder under the hammer empty when carrying one of these older single-action revolvers in a holster. Modern revolvers have extra parts like transfer bars or hammer blocks that mechanically prevent any contact between the firing pin and primer unless the trigger is actually being pulled. If you are shooting with an older-model revolver or a reproduction, please be extra careful when handling them in a loaded state.
Excellent explanation of how single action revolvers that use the actual firing pin attached to the hammer face (as opposed to revolvers that use transfer bars or hammer blocks) function. The best dissertation on the Baldwin discharge that I've seen. Better than ANYTHING that has been explored on the mainstream news channels...
I teach handgun safety (NRA-certified instructor). You demonstrated EXACTLY what I thought had happened with the single-action revolver when the on-set accident was claimed. You are on the money.
As soon as Baldwin said "I didn't pull the trigger" I knew what happened, and your video illustrates it perfectly. But, to the ignorant, misinformed, and biased...when they hear him say "I didn't pull the trigger" it reinforces their belief that guns are the problem since they must "go off by themselves."
The gun could have a defect. I have a similar pistol that fired on full cock without pulling the trigger (luckily into the ground) due to a mechanical issue, immediately put the gun up and took it to a gunsmith to fix though, wasn't pointing it at anyone, etc. It isn't a defense, and i'm not really a fan of Baldwin, but investigation into the pistol would confirm if that is a real possibility. I like the video and explanation here, but it at least needs to be mentioned that it COULD happen on a particular gun IF it isn't mechanically sound. big IFs.
@@shooter505 I'd go quite a bit larger on the odds there, and my immediate thought was and still is the same as yours. The fact it happened on mine, when it had been previously firing perfectly fine with hundreds of rounds through it had to be closer to 1 in a million is what gives me pause and say he deserves his day in court and the facts will speak for themselves though. I was with 3 friends that thought I was dicking around when mine went off, which is based off the same reaction as we all have here. They realized it wasn't that when I put it away and stopped firing anything the rest of the day. It is certainly not a good feeling when a gun goes off you don't mean to. Key point here though, is if following the most basic of safety guidelines it can happen and nobody is in danger. I still think he was simply being careless and is trying to cover his ass saying this, because everything else that led up to it shouldn't have happened anyway. His typical arrogance works against him 1000%.
@@christopherwood9225 Still doesn’t take away from the fact that he was handling the firearm, with a live round in it. He still pointed it at people, still his fault. Even if guns aren’t loaded you should never point them.
@Domenick boucher I hope that you really know the meaning of heinous. A life could have been saved if Alec wasn't so arrogant and would have double checked rhe "weapon". Save your emotions and feelings and perhaps have some sympathy for the dead woman's child!
That actually happened three different times on the set before the live round. A stuntman fired two blanks in an "unloaded" firearm and the prop master shot herself in the foot with another "unloaded" firearm.
Hmmm.... lets see...There are 5 basic, universal rules of firearm safety alone. The 5 Gun Commandments, if you will 1. ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FIREARM POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION. 2. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED. 3. KEEP YOUR TRIGGER FINGER OUTSIDE THE GUARD AND OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE. 4. BE CERTAIN OF YOUR TARGET, YOUR LINE OF FIRE, AND WHAT LIES BEYOND YOUR TARGET. 5. ALWAYS WEAR APPROPRIATE EYE AND EAR PROTECTION WHEN SHOOTING AND MAINTAINING YOUR FIREARM. He broke all 5 of them. His production staff also broke every rule they had too. The director handed him the gun and said it was unloaded. There was live ammo on set. The armorer didn't know where this gun was at the time.... Yeah, he and his crew broke the 5 Gun Commandments and at least 10 film set rules and regulations. They're all fucked.
Brandon said it best: "The good part of gun safety is that you normally have to break multiple rules for something bad to happen" Alec Baldwin managed to fucking speedrun breaking all of them
@@shockwave6213 Everytime a real gun is used on a movie set multiple rules of firearm safety are broken by default, and everyone in the production industry knows this. The job of armourers is to reduce risk. If you are filming a scene where you have to shoot another person (obviously you won't shoot them in real life) and are using a real gun, you will always break firearm safety rules. I hate to break it to you, but real guns are used on movie sets all the time. Not to defend alec baldwin, but stating the 'rules' is pointless
The live ammo is easy to explain. Early reporting said that some staff had live fired guns the _morning of_ the fatal shoot. Even if it wasn't that morning, there were reports of shots going off on set earlier. Add such bad practice to a slew of other failures to follow safety protocols, and voila. Not a mystery.
Yeah, I'm no gun expert and thought the same thing. He said he was practicing a cross draw, and I can imagine him fanning when he did so, not realizing that having his finger anywhere near the trigger defeated the safety.
Everyone who ND’s always says “I didn’t even touch the trigger”, “it JUST went off” or “oh my god I thought it wasn’t loaded”. Baldwin is covering his bases.
I agree and has been what I’ve believed all along - the most likely explanation is that his finger was on the trigger the entire time he was manipulating the hammer. When he says he didn’t pull the trigger, he’s likely telling the truth in that he really believes he didn’t pull the trigger. As to how live ammo got into the gun, that one’s easy - Cooper’s Rule #1, “All Guns Are Always Loaded”. This event is a very good example of why Cooper worded that the way he did.
That is to assume a man's guilt without evidence. A broken trigger spring could have caused the gun to fire without the trigger being pulled. Any other theory is without evidence entirely. It is assuming a man's guilt over baseless accusations and speculation). I pray we don't forget the Right of every man to be Presumed Innocent until Proven guilty. This is a right that we would each want afforded to ourselves if we were ever accused of a crime or found ourselves in a similar situation. In that case, it can only be hypocrisy. (and to turn our backs on the American Values and Morals we claim to believe in).
@@deucedeuce1572 This is an internet discussion, not a court of law. If the firearm turns out to be defective or modified such that it can fire simply by pulling back and releasing the hammer as Baldwin described, that is something the investigation should be able to verify quite easily. In the meantime, the overwhelmingly more likely explanation is he pulled the trigger. You are confused as to what are and are not rights. The presumption of innocence applies to criminal proceedings, in the meantime our first amendment rights allow us the freedom to discuss the case however we choose, short of outright slander.
- He probably has had a metal break to some extent (I know I would if I accidentally caused someone's death) and this narrative in his mind helps him live with it (and he probably has no idea that he is doing this). - Also the gun rules do not really work on set when you have shots that require guns to be aimed at people, but when not filming they should be using that model for sure (this is why they have their own set of rules, which were not followed obviously).
@@PartStupid If you or I did what Baldwin did, we'd likely be facing criminal charges. I don't see how "a different set of rules" applying in Hollywood where the elites play pretend with real guns absolves him of criminal responsibility here in the real world. Those in the firearms community utilize blue guns, SIRT guns, sims guns, even airsoft guns when running training scenarios that require pointing guns at one another. Why is Hollywood above similar protocol? I have a hard time believing they face more stringent budgetary constraints than the cop taking training classes on his own time and own dime who still goes out and buys a blue gun. Baldwin has since repeatedly said things like (I paraphrase) "industry protocols need to change going forward to prevent this from happening again and I want to be a part of that process". I can think of little that would serve as a better wake up call to the industry that real consequences apply to real firearms misuse than an involuntary manslaughter charge and prison time for Mr. Baldwin, and IMO if he genuinely wanted to be part of the solution he'd plead guilty.
@@TacticalStrudel Rights are Rights. They should be practiced Everywhere, not just in a court of law. The same goes for morals. It is not only a Right to be presumed innocent, but it is IMMORAL to assume a man's guilt. It's also blatantly hypocritical. You cannot say that you would not want people to presume your innocence if you were ever accused or that it's not hypocrisy. It spits in the face of the Golden Rule (the Foundation for any moral, decent person, not to mention the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights).
This is why I'm - whilst not a gun nut at all, like brandon's videos. He's open minded. Yes - he called bullshit on the "I didn't shoot her" claim - but he shows in his last scenario, what might have happened. This - and with it, have a look at my post about the poor maintenance - a poorly maintained weapon could fire, just by cocking the hammer. And this is, what just might have happened. And this isn't something that's possible to happen, if two people tell you, that they have proven it to be an empty, unloaded gun. This was a filmset after all. There's no place, where life rounds are "acceptable" in this case. Next time someone blasts the whole crew to dust with a pound of C4, because nobody cared, if it's the real deal or not.
If you watch Hunt for the Red October where Baldwin stars as Jack Ryan, the scene where he’s running around with a handgun, his finger’s on the trigger the entire time.
A believe broken trigger spring could have caused the gun to fire exactly how he said. Assuming anything else would be baseless (without any evidence) and hypocritical (assuming a man's guilt without evidence and violating his Right to be presumed innocent... which is a Right we would each want afforded to ourselves if we were ever accused of a crime or found ourselves in a similar situation.)
That single action is so beautiful. I like how Baldwin keeps saying he would never point a weapon at someone and pull the trigger, Even though I am pretty sure in making a western movie at some point you’re going to point a weapon at someone and pull the trigger.
From what numerous actors and armourers say they play with camera angles and never have the weapon pointed directly at anyone because even a blank can send unburnt powder etc into people and cause injuries. If gun is to be fired directly at camera noone is behind camera when it happens. Alex committed a major nono in gun safety and had been telling absolute lies since it happened. Remember the She was my friend act, well it turns out he met her a few days earlier for the first time. Oh and just to really play with things, Her husband is currently a part of prosecuting the Maxwell case where half of Hollywood is scared of relevations.
I own a replica of this revolver, i knew instantly what Alec did...he pulled the trigger back as he pulled the hammer back. You can do this on accident, especially when speed firing single handed by putting any pressure on the trigger as it will depress and the hammer will fly forward the moment your thumb leaves it. Alec did pull the trigger back, but not after the hammer. I think this is how this tragedy happened.
There are so many of these videos on youtube and I watch every single one of them. Sadly it's taught me a lot about single action revolvers and also Alec Baldwin is guilty as hell.
What crime is he guilty of? Even if his mishandling of the weapon directly caused the negligent discharge - that isn't the same as being criminally responsible for the woman's death. Everyone who touched the gun between the last time the armorer cleared it and when it was handed to Baldwin are equally culpable, Baldwin was just the one holding it when it went off.
@@Stop_Gooning Manslaughter. It could easily be argued that even blanks can kill and you never play with a gun, loaded or not. Manslaughter is mueder by way of stupidity essentially.
@@Stop_Gooning ultimately it fell to Baldwin to check his own gun for live ammunition. That was his job. If you are given a gun and don’t know if it’s loaded or not, you unload and clear it. That’s rule one of basic firearms safety “Treat every gun as if it’s loaded” Baldwin forgot “Finger off the trigger until ready to fire” too. On the second point, yes his finger was definitely on the trigger. The Colt he was using doesn’t just randomly go off, the problem of accidental discharges in revolvers (to no fault of the shooter) was fixed in the 1800s
@@Penigale It actually is not the actor's job to unload their prop gun, inspect the prop bullets to make sure none of them are real and then reload their prop gun.
I work at a gunstore as a sales guy and training group instructor, and I have actually learned something watching this. I was unaware of the fact that replicas have that spring loaded firing pin to make them safe to go hammer forward on a loaded cylinder. Now when I start wheel-gun Wednesday at work, I’m going to carry all 6 rounds
Double check, because they don't always do that. Many replicas are identical to the old models (and carry the same risks). I'm fairly certain Pietta's and Uberti's have fixed hammer firing pins (I fairly certain their Black Powder /C&B one's do).
@@deucedeuce1572 Picked up a Pietta 1858 Remington C&B ( ua-cam.com/video/yC1Zc4zAOwc/v-deo.html ) the other day. They have a half-notch safety in them- a place to set the hammer BETWEEN the cylinders, and from that location they will rotate to a loaded chamber on cocking of the hammer. To set the hammer in there though takes a little manipulation of the cylinder and hammer together- just enough to pull the hammer free of the rotation area of the cylinder. It's not hard, but I still recommend practicing on an unloaded one first. Or at least an uncapped one.
Or get a vaquero from Ruger, it has a transfer bar and a "floating" firing pin so you can carry 6 and no matter how hard you hit the hammer it won't fire unless the trigger is pulled or held back in the case of fanning the hammer.
The ones I’ve seen just wiggle a little bit but aren’t spring loaded. I always thought this was to avoid putting too much pressure on the firing pin were it to hit the frame from not being perfectly centered on the hole since it already goes in at an angle. It would make sense from a manufacturing perspective to keep firing pins from breaking on the frame. Also why the hole and the firing pin are tapered, so it’s not flat surfaces hitting each-other. I would test it yourself first but if it works then for sure carry all 6.
Interesting story, so my buddy was showing me his revolver and like a good gun nerd, as soon as he handed it to me I checked the cylinder. Fully loaded. He was as surprised as I was!
Whats happening is either revolvers are turning against us and are purposely sticking rounds inside themselves or it just feels good to stick rounds inside themselves.
“Every gun is loaded, until you check and make it unloaded.” - my grandfather, handing me his .22 revolver for the first time and showing me how to check it
“Keep ‘em loaded for self defense n shitz” -Millennial Fudd or something *surprised Pikachu finding out it’s loaded* Not calling you and your buddy Fudd’s, just you always here people saying “I keep my gun loaded at all times” like they’re expecting a raid on their freedom at any moment
Thanks for watching guys! So after watching the video, do you agree with my assessment? If not, what do you think happened? Let me know down in the comments!
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*I stand behind Alec Baldwin. Mainly because I don't feel safe standing in front of him.*
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that's a good one. I'm stealing it.
@@bungholio71 Go ahead he stole it too 😂
@@madzmadeit 🤣🤣🤣
Fun fact *putting your text in bold doesn't make it funnier*
I once played a cop as an extra on a low budget filmset in a country where guns are a rarety. And when I was given the prop gun, which was an airsoft, even then the "armorer" did a check in front of me and asked me to do another verification myself to confirm that it was empty. How this apparently wasn't a thing on a filmset where real firearms may actually used is beyond me.
One would think that a country that has the most guns in the world, (more guns than actual people) and probably the largest volume movie production, would follow these common sense safety guidelines.
@@RickyGuterson you'd think but Hollywood is full of idiots.
Like that clip of the director of Suicide Squad flagging Will Smith and Will smacking the gun away
@@RickyGuterson These were Californian Hollywood types. They know less about guns than pre-settler natives.
You're giving him the benefit of the doubt. He actually claimed that you're not allowed to check the weapon once it's been given to you, because everyone will think your loading it. Seeing as how that's a bs statement that only someone ignorant on firearms would think sounds smart it's safe to assume he lied. His given reason that people will assume you're trying to load it is extremely suspicious as well, like he's thought about that. Finally, after the shooting they performed a safety sweep for other live rounds and found some on his belt.
I don't know why everyone is automatically assuming he's completely innocent in all this. We have to assume that a random bullet found it's way past the armoror, the assistant director, Baldwin and then was the one out of six that could have been fired.
@@logangrimnar3800 and of all things having any amount of pressure on the trigger of all things. it definitely smells like homicide, a film shooting
“Halting production.” Had me verbally laughing, then the “a blank round? How did that get on set.” Fired the killing shot.
People need to stop talking about blanks. The gun was *supposed* to be loaded with dummy rounds (they look real but are totally inert) and a real live BULLET got mixed in with them.
Funny enough a "supposed blank" was the killing shot my friend
again look up the tragity that happened on the crow it was probably real close
@@hardwirecars that was a squib load used for a dummy that got a bullet stuck in the barrel, and then a high flash blank.
@bonk proof
XD I mean how does he come up with that stuff? Just a comedic genius! Let me try one: "Person dying in 3, 2, 1..." hm, somehow doesn't have the same ring to it...
The reverse bit where you accidentally loaded it with a blank is exactly the humor we stick around for.
I remember years ago a friend brought me to another friend's house. Guy was something of a gun nut. He pulls out a 1911, waving it around like a dick. I asked him not to and he says "It's not loaded, you think I'd wave a loaded weapon around?" and to prove his point he racks the slide and a fucking round flies out. I looked, he said, "Now it's not loaded!" I asked to see it, dropped the magazine which had rounds in it, tossed that at him then racked it myself watching the live round hit the carpet. Never been so disgusted with another gun owner.
yeah he sounds more of a *Nut job* than a gun *Nut*
Those sort of people give the rest of us a bad name.
God that’s upsetting and frustrating
I've been around guns since I was born, had one in my hand since age 6, hell I never trust myself that a weapon is unloaded, I will double and triple check myself. When I see people acting like that it sends shivers down my spine, how easy they could end someone they love or themselves.
Been there, experienced that!
You magnificent bastard lol "Halting production in 3...2...1..."
Also "a blank round?! How did that get on set?"
I'm glad someone else noticed that too, I nearly choked on my drink, best line out of some right corkers, all done in the best possible taste.
Icy Mike! Awesome to find you in a comment section like this.
It's almost like every single one of us who has even a cursory amount of knowledge about how single-action revolvers work knew exactly how this test was going to play out. Funny thing, isn't that?
I'm British, had a blank firing Ruger SAA copy as a teen, Handgun ban since 1997.... So I havent touched a handgun of ANY type for 25+ years...
Knew it would be some "Fanning" type fuck up without a second thought.
QUESTION. How thick is Baldwin's index finger? (Not joking)
Reason I ask is that I have dainty little hands, but wearing gloves for me with "El Blanko" was a BIG No No ... jammed in the trigger guard EVERY. Damn. Time.
I'm also from the UK and when i heard what had happened i said to myself "But that can't happen". Even us lot over here have some knowledge of how guns work.
@@peterbenson2185 there are a few reasons it can fire without intentionally pulling the trigger .
Never shot or held a single action and I knew haha
@@cardiffpicker1 "intentionally" is the key word there. There are lots of ways to *accidentally* pull the trigger - significantly fewer ways to fire the gun without pulling the trigger.
“There’s a new sheriff in town, annd he hasn’t ruled out manslaughter” had me rolling😭
The real question on this entire thing: WHO LOADED THE GUN WITH LIVE AMMO? Or a better question: Why was live ammo even on the set? This entire situation is beyond bizarre.
From what I’ve heard, it’s fairly normal for the crew to bring live ammo to just have fun shooting at things, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is banned going forward.
Maybe he was somehow setup?
i've watched a few videos about this. from what i've seen, the gun was never actually loaded with any live rounds. the fault lies in the prop master never cleaning the barrel of the revolver and when the blank was fired it discharged small particulates of metal shavings or something
@@scallywag5236 what 2 guns on set, and where switched during a time when everyone was rushing about trying to figure out what went w, as guns have rifleing which is like a guns finger print the bullet that was found would match the gun,
It's an interesting idea but one would need a silencer to damping the sound, but where was the other person stood not to be seen. It's a possibility but highly unlikely
@@paulglennie1991 it's just an idea man. I never looked into it much.
Finally, a test with the ACTUAL model.
There's a few from small channels.
@Hitano stop spamming
But Alec used a prop gun
@@u2beuser714 You arent European though
@@JStryker7 a prop is a real gun most of the time, the one M.Baldwin used was a real one at least intended to only shoot blanks.
Alec: “I didn’t pull the trigger, I wouldn’t do that”.
People who truly know firearms: “that was a lie”
*people who have a single brain cell
Of course he is going to blame the gun. Firstly it gets him off the hook (or so he hopes). Secondly he can use this as an example that proves guns are dangerous even "in competent hands in controlled conditions", so naturally we ought to ban these things. Win-win for him.
Alec "Who knows fuck-all about firearms" Baldwin: "I didn't pull the trigger."
Everyone who knows firearms and has access to the internet: "Let us show you where you're wrong chief."
There's 27 videos made in the last 4 days alone. Alec is about to get bent over.
@@josephs.787 Are you implying that those of us with knowledge of firearms are stupid?
Are you defending Baldwin?
Your video did prove one thing. The most dangerous place to be is between Alec Baldwin and a camera.
“Because I’m responsible for what happens in my videos” that statement made me laugh and I do appreciate Brandon’s delivery. Keep it up!
Oh shit, he said that on the record, that might come back to bite him one day.
Can we talk about the fact that Brandon casually hip fire nailed the steel when demonstrating his theory of what actually happened. Man's becoming more of a Texas cowboy by the day
It's because of all the AR's he owns, their accuracy and reliability are infecting him...
Potential for a western dedicated episode with Brandon?? I think we should start a movement.
@@YeahItsYourBoyG he made one a year or two ago
Its all that Tito's Vodka he's been drinking.
Russian cowboy.
"A blank round? How'd that get on set?" I definitely exhaled through my nose at that one haha.
#AKGNotificationSquad
The sheriff supposedly found 500 live rounds on the set
I laughed out loud with that joke, not loudly, but like chuckling
That one was savage af
@@j_freeman3230 With a production that was cutting corners everywhere how did they afford 500 live rounds of a rare caliber in this market?
Laughed way louder than I should have. Awesome bit of writing...
“OH NOO DONT SHOOT”
Alec Baldwin: “But ive got 5 million power in rise of kingdoms, i do what i want”
The woman they hired as the armorer said after the incident something along the lines of, "My career is over. Do you know how hard it is for a woman to be taken seriously in this field?" Pretty telling when you consider it was her that most likely brought the live rounds onto set.
She was only hired because her dad is someone big in Hollywood as well! Thats why they protected her from the blame.
I'm sure she meant to say "My career is over. Do you know how hard it is for an armorer that allowed live rounds on a movie set to be taken seriously in this field?
From TMZ "Gutierrez, who was trained as an armorer by her dad, Thell Reed, tells the officer, "I'm the only female armorer in the game and I just f****d up my whole entire career." She later refers to herself as a "f*****g failure.""
@@KINGBublepop All things consdered... Yeah she's basically the DEFINITION of a failure. She failed at her job and someone died as a result of her poor work. You LITERALLY can not be a bigger failure than someone dying directly because of your actions, like it's not even funny.
@@KINGBublepop really says a lot that shes more worried about her career than the person who DIED as a result of her incompetence
"This is the single greatest handgun ever made, the Colt Single-action Army. Six bullets, more than enough to kill anything that moves"
-Revolver Ocelot- Alec Baldwin, probably
my favorite mgs character, alec baldwin
*Meowr!* -Major Ocelot
@@SgtPotShot he is so weird tho
7 Indians?
Anyone familiar with the Colt SAA knows to load one, skip one, load four. Hammer will rest on an empty chamber. Only five rounds for safety. Known for over 150 years.
Pietta actually makes two versions of this pistol, one of them has a transfer bar mechanism. Brandon appears to have the other one that doesn't. The transfer bar version has a firing pin in the frame instead and of course is even harder to get to fire unintentionally.
like the ruger vaqueros, that transfer bar is a wonderful thing.
@@mrstryfe Nice. Sadly I no long have a vaquero. Traded it years ago for a blackhawk
@@mrstryfe I really want a blacked out vaquero birds head
@@mrstryfe Yes, unless you're deliberately fanning the hammer to fire - which is why Pietta makes one without it. There's use cases for both, of course. They also make one that is visually identical to the .45LC guns, fires special .380 blanks and cannot chamber any normal round; it is intended specifically for use in film and theater production. There really is no excuse for this to have happened.
@@TexasSpectre My theory on the live round is that the minor actors, armorer, crew when they aren't shooting a scene were going out on the ranch and shooting beer bottles after drinking them because they were bored. It makes sense to have live rounds for the gun for recoil testing for actors to know what it should look like but I dont think that's why they had them. I think the kids were being stupid and playing around and left the gun loaded and didn't check it when they handed it to Baldwin due to being hung over or whatever.
Brandon, you got it exactly right. Even in some of the video they show on the news, Baldwin has his finger inside the trigger guard. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I’m sure he didn’t consciously pull the trigger but unknowingly had enough pressure on it for the revolver to fire when he released the hammer as you just demonstrated.
Forget about Alec Baldwin for a second. Please explain to me why live ammo would ever be used on any movie set under any circumstances. I can't grasp it.
Only movie i can think of is that scene where ash shoots the window out in the 1st evil dead. Then again that was 8 college kids with 30 bucks and a dream not a multi billion dollar industry giant.
Wasn't intentionally "used". My best guess, and a guess is all it is: It stands to reason that anyone that's been tagged as the "gun expert" who is responsible for providing and managing all the firearms on set, is most likely also a gun ENTHUSIAST. This is a person who does a good bit of his/her own shooting in their private life, and owns MANY firearms. It's no stretch to assume that a person fitting this description would have a large array of different kinds of loads and ammo stored in close proximity to one another. At this point, you've entered the margin of human error where this "expert" negligently allowed some live ammo to co-mingle with some blanks....mix in the chaos of a movie set, and a culture where EVERYTHING IS BY DEFINITION FAKE...and somebody ends up dead.
They were partying and doing target practice after hours.
@@juneyshu6197 : my money is on this....
@@juneyshu6197 Yep, that was apparently the story most quoted in the various articles, the armorer and a few other production team members had taken the prop firearms to do some live shooting nearby. So it ended up that either the prop gun had a live round or two still in the chambers when the firearm was stored, or it was emptied but the armorer tossed the live rounds next to the blanks when she put away the firearm after their joy-shooting, instead of properly keeping things completely separate, probably intending to do so tomorrow when she wasn't tired.
And then after she forgot someone loaded the firearm inadvertently with the live round(s) instead of the blanks, either due to rushing or unfamiliarity with the difference between live and blank rounds.
Why does nobody talk about the fact that the armorer said that, "loading a gun with blanks was the scariest thing she had ever done in her life." Someone that inexperienced has no place in that job.
What??? I had no idea about that
@@skrimper Yeah, literally the only reason she had the job is because her dad was a well known armorer who had worked a ton of movies. Otherwise she's extraordinarily inexperienced.
Not sure if that was her exact wording, I recall it being more about 'the scariest part of the job was loading dummy rounds' because they look exactly like live rounds and any good armorer SHOULD be the most concerned about that aspect.
Because Baldwin approved her hiring, so I still hold him responsible.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz yep that’s how I see, Alec will probably find a way to sneak around the fact that he pulled the trigger, but they better at least acknowledge that it was his job as a Producer to have a proper armorer.
All those one liners are S tier
You made three comments now, are you really that desperate for likes?
@@princezuko2718 the checkmarks plague, the unholy circlejerk of unfathomable nothingness.
Wth are YOU doing here. Never would have thought I would ever run into you in a comment section like this.
On one hand, based.
On the other, furry smogon hater.
When this news first broke my immediate thought was “what we’re live rounds doing within fifty miles of that set?” How is it even possible for an “armorer” to not instantly recognize live rounds by not only appearance but also feel and weight? Incredible ineptitude!
Wow.
It's like the SAA Revolver was Made to NOT fire at random.
Who would have thought,eh?
Definitely Not Alec,that's who.
Really?
@@ThyWanderingKnight it’s a bot
@MemeMaster Yeah,I can tell,m'guy.
It's still annoying tho.
This bot is oddly pushy... OH COME ON! THIS IS JUST GETTING ABSURD!
@Johan I know,right?
“The director had not cut filming, when a bullet fairly ripped,
And Baldwin‘s aim was deadly with the prop-gun on his hip,
Prop-gun on his hiiiiip…”
I feel terrible now… almost as terrible as Alec claims to feel.
#AKGnotifcationsquad
I get he's anti gun and all, but it's a little fucked up to claim he doesn't feel remorse for killing someone.
@TheButterAnvil He himself claims he doesn’t feel guilty, and there’s decades of evidence that he’s a damn psychopath with rage issues.
I don’t give a f*** about calling him out, he sure as shit doesn’t give one about what he did, guaranteed.
Well done!
@@TheButterAnvil I have no doubt that Baldwin feels at least some if not great remorse for what happened on set. That being said I am having trouble believing that he is feeling much guilt over it with how much he is trying to deflect the blame onto anyone and anything else. although now that I think of it that may be the result of him passing through the stages of grief.
@@TheButterAnvil He who plays the blame game feels no guilt. If he simply claimed responsibility like a man, I'd have more sympathy for him.
Oh wait, he's in Hollywood. He doesn't know what "responsibility" means lmao
Being a lover of wheel guns and an owner of, well a "few", I wholeheartedly agree! Nice job Brandon. Love your videos.
🎯
I was thinking that the most logical scenario was Alec had his finger squeezing the trigger while he pulled the hammer back similar to a fan but it still sucks that he didn't check it.
@Fishing and Freedom Fiend We need to ban boats. Incidents of boating accidents have skyrocketed in the last decade.
Thank you for preaching gun safety, honestly we can't have enough of it.
Gun safety is for plebs, not the important people.
It speaks volumes about Brandon's gun sense given how physically uncomfortable he looks trying to demonstrate an accidental discharge
I was looking for this comment! He looked extremely displeased.
I was cringing watching him try so I could only imagine what he was thinking
I caught that as well.
@@Arealprizeguy "holy shit this is sketchy"
I thought he looked disgusted Haha
13:45 is arguably the coolest thing Brandon has done on accident. He just hit the metal from a hip fire. What a badass.
Bump
And in the most professional way possible. Hits the metal and keeps on talking
Brandon's new assistant, Phuc Long was off-camera with a gong
@@jonathansmith7306 Hah!
He cut the scene, so I think he may have actually reacted to that but cut it out for some reason.
“Halting production in 3,2,1”
This man’s jokes simply doesn’t miss
That bullet didn't miss either
Neither did that revolver
Neither did Alec Baldwin
@@_shaggy_tm5372 I was going to say the same thing
"that's full cock, giggity"
As I understand they had live ammo on the set because they were blinking at Targets during breaks. That's why it should have been triple checked quadruple checked and then checked again.
Live ammo should not be allowed anywhere near prop guns.
As a former NRA Chief Range Safety Officer & Pistol Instructor - Here are the ONLY 3 possible theories beside intentional homicide:
1. Exactly as you described.
2. If the trigger had been altered (bubba trigger job) or disassembled/reassembled incorrectly, the hammer could potentially have not caught the sear & therefore slipped as Baldwin pulled the hammer. This could easily be found out by inspecting the firearm in evidence.
3. If the "prop" firearm is also used as a "non-prop gun" for live fire (HUGE No-No) it could have potentially gotten a squib (bullet stuck in barrel) that either went unnoticed or got forgotten about. Then the firearm ends up back on a movie set with TRUE blanks. A blank would now have more than sufficient energy to push the bullet lodged in the barrel out at lethal velocity. Bores of all prop guns should be checked for any kind of obstruction before firearms are loaded with blanks and handed out to cast.
All 3 theories still point to negligence/manslaughter on part of Baldwin for improper gun handling skills, and the armorer for failure to check the firearm & ammunition properly.
Hope this helps!!!
EDIT:
To answer whether a blank would have enough power to push a lodged bullet down a revolver barrel, despite the cylinder gap allowing gas to escape: only testing would confirm how much energy you could get out of the projectile. Cylinder gap size, blank type, and bullet type/weight will play a huge role in the results and need to be consistent with the firearm/projectile now in evidence.
Keep in mind that ANY normal round fired out of a revolver deals with cylinder gap as well. In that case, the projectile gets to accelerate inside the cylinder first, before skipping the gap into the forcing cone and bore. At this point the system loses gas at the cylinder gap. What is interesting, is a revolver with a longer barrel generates more velocity than a short barrel - proving that there is still enough pressure to accelerate the bullet - even past the cylinder gap!
Like Mitchell commented, blank powder's burn rate is VERY fast and mimics a detonation more than a burn. This extreme pressure could theoretically (despite cylinder gap) still build up plenty of PSI in the bore necessary to accelerate a lodged bullet.
How fast does it need to come out to be deadly and pass through one person and lodge in another? Probably not even that fast. We'd likely be talking about a large, heavy bullet which does not need to travel fast to penetrate deep. Hutchins was a small framed woman, making over-penetration more likely.
As I mentioned in my original post, none of these theories - not even a firearm malfunction - excuse the poor gun handling on Baldwin's part, nor the insufficient safety inspection by the armorer (assuming Baldwin didn't bypass/ignore the armorer altogether). I'm personally just so curious about the exact technical details of this tragic incident, and hope that they are not hidden by the media simply to "blame guns on movie sets". I appreciate everyone's input and feedback!
With all these scenarios you described makes me think even more he shot them on purpose whether or not he thought it was dummy.
THANK YOU! Most of these dipshits on UA-cam have never heard of nor had a hammer push off. Usually from what you describe as a bubba trigger job. I'm really sick and tired of clowns with new Colt's say it just can't happen when it can, has and will happen. Having said that I do not believe Baldwin's story though.
You forgot the dummy round theory. Because it's a revolver the other bullets in the cylinder should actually have projectiles in them but no propellant. Unfortunately, if these were made on set and somebody forgot and left the primer this could also be a Cause.
@@deuscoromat742 good point! A primed dummy round could have easily caused a squibbed bullet, and then fallen right into Theory 3 👌🏼 Fault would still remain with armored/Baldwin
@@NWFishingSecrets I mean they claimed they fired the gun multiple times at targets on set in between takes, so they knew the gun was readily capable of firing. Combined with two accidental discharges resulting in crew walking off set, I'm not going to blame the gun as much as I am the people involved.
I remember my dad’s cousin let me hold his AR-15 and I instinctively put the safety on and checked if it was loaded which surprise to no one it was. It was the first ever real firearm that I had in my hands but thanks to all the gun tubers I have learned at least some basic gun safety.
Very good bro
You sir deserve a beer
Basically your uncle's AR-15
Good stuff dude
This is allot off times the way you get the first gun in you're hands. We all know better still it happens daily.
It's a shame Alec will never be held accountable for his unsurprising lack of gun discipline and will continue to vomit Twitter nonsense.
@Ethan one of his accounts
His attempts to make himself look like a victim are bs. Especially considering what happened to the real victim
Any Hollywood actor/actress, really anyone who picks up a gun, should have basic gun safety drilled into them before they film. Boggles my mind that it isn’t already taught to them
needs life in prison
@@hypershock0762 exactly, look at the training keanu reeves got when he filmed john wick.
One the first things my dad taught me is to always check if it’s loaded even after he checks if it’s loaded when handing it to me because YOU never know unless your seeing it with your eyes
As soon as I heard Baldwin's claim that he "never pulled the trigger" I instantly knew either he was lying and pulled the trigger after cocking, OR he had the trigger already depressed and then pulled back the hammer. I have never even handled a revolver, but I knew enough about old revolvers due to my interest in Civil War/Western history to know how they work.
More than likely had the trigger held down already.
Well if its manslaughter i hope the trigger feels bettet
I mean couldnt a hammer fall also cause the bullet to fire becuase hammer falls are rare but still
He literally said he pulled the hammer back, not fully cocked, and let it go.
there's a 3rd option, broken/sabotaged gun. If what he said happened happen, the gun would have to be broken.
Go figure, the folks who designed a firearm actually made it as safe as possible. So long as the user practices firearm safety, anyway.
Idiots will always find a way
@@salacommander2674 everythings idiot proof, till the world makes a better idiot.
Modern revolvers have a transfer bar that was specifically designed to stop accidental discharges that can happen with this type of revolver. He was not able to get a discharge, but I guarantee you there is a possibility of this firearm going off it's dropped or has some other impact on the hammer. It's the reason the transfer bar was designed. These are plenty safe for sport shooting in a very controlled environment, but these aren't something you should keep around your house loaded and people should be aware of the possibility of AD if it's dropped, not just blow it off because a guy on UA-cam couldn't replicate it.
like any other decent machine
@@jackdanson2 still doesnt excuse the fact that he pointed the gun at another human being and that the gun was loaded with a live round accidental discharge or not everything about this incident could have been easily prevented
The two things I never believe , The gun isn't loaded and the dog doesn't bite.
So, you would believe "The check is in the mail"?
How about "you're the best I've ever been with"?
@@skdoosh9523 lol
@@skdoosh9523 well, I would certainly LIKE to believe that
The two things I always believe: The dog isn't loaded and the gun doesn't bite.
Omg lmao, shiner brand beer. I've got their new slogan all picked out. "Give your wife a shiner" 😂😂😂
With Brandon’s demonstration of what MIGHT have happened, it still breaks the number one rule of don’t have your fucking finger on the trigger if you’re not going to fire the gun.
A broken trigger spring (or the screw that holds the trigger spring). The trigger/sear NEEDS spring pressure to engage the hammer sear or the half-cock safety notch. With a broken trigger spring it's very possible the gun fired exactly how he said. The gun CAN firer without pulling the trigger (I believe a few ways). I think he also said in an interview that it was done in front of a camera, for which there may be video footage.
@@deucedeuce1572 my friend a single action revolver requires more than trigger it requires you to actually cock it back first without that nothing happens. Guns don't fucking fire without you fucking with the trigger and if there's video evidence they aren't showing it probably because it shows him fucking with the trigger.
@@thebloodyshaman7695 Yeah, he said he cocked the hammer and when the hammer slipped (or he let go I forget), the gun fired without him pulling the trigger (which is what could happen with a broken trigger spring). Without the trigger spring, there's nothing to make it engage the hammer. If you're not getting what I said, then you're ignorant of how they work and shouldn't be speaking in absolutes. Old school single action revolvers Absolutely Can Fire without the trigger being pulled if the trigger spring is broken or if the screw that holds the trigger spring is missing, is too loose or is broken.
Yup take the booger hook off the bang switch
Yep, still spells negligent homicide.
I love how hours after Alec Baldwin says he fired it without pulling the trigger, almost every gun tuber is making a video saying it’s false! It’s a great community
Yep just like that militia group that shot 5 of their own guys and blamed the rifle
yeah i like it here 👌
@@skeleboi8507 "calls an AR-15 platform a bullpup because of supposed high recoil"
@@rokairu0-216 when that came out i just got my ar15 and havent used it yet.. Even at that knowledge level it was clear he was talking shit.. Irresponsible to have a gun and not know the basics
It's not a victory to prove Alec wrong. The 2A community, IMO, just point out how firearms work, test his theory, and give the results. Someone lost their life, it's not something we should celebrate. Again, JMO
Has there been a forensic report on the firearm & spent round? If not we don't know if they were modified. Therefore I will have to stand behind Baldwin... only because it's too dangerous to stand in front of him.
Oh, damn. Shots fired!
@@davidritchie9344 literally
@@johngun4377
Lmao
Agreed!
Wow...
Love the Big Iron by Marty Robbin’s during the revolver showcase near the beginning
Immediately brings back memories of Fallout New Vegas
What is beyond me is that how a real bullet can make it's way on a set.
The immature armorer decided it would be fun to practice shooting on set between takes.
Just incompetents all the way around! Stupid people with no common sense shouldn’t be allowed to operate a shovel cleaning up horse shit let alone anything firearm related!
whats even more beyond me is how it managed to kill someone just coincidentally.
@@vladpasha6266you think he intentionally killed someone? Get a grip of yourself mate
@3rdPlaya0709 i dont know what exactly happened but i do know that it's not easy to aim at someone and shoot them and actually get a fatal hit even with the intent of killing them. With enough distance, your aim would have to be pretty on point. Now think about how he managed to do that by accident? statistically, if the gun happens to go off on accident most of the time it will hit nothing and very rarely it might hit someone and even more rarely is it a fatal shot
"A blank round? IDK how that got on set" absolutely killed me, 10/10
If a blank killed you, I could only imagine what.. nevermind
Hope you weren't a camerman
People need to stop talking about blanks. The gun was supposed to be loaded with dummy rounds (they look real but are totally inert) and a real live BULLET got mixed in with them.
You see, it only killed you figuratively though. Unlike Baldwin who killed someone literally.
@@Stop_Gooning there was absolutely no reason for the gun to have anything in the chamber at all.
They were "blocking" the scene, figuring out where to put the cameras for best view, while the actors rehearsed it.
Absolutely no reason for blanks, dummies, *ANYTHING* to be loaded.
I've seen a few "accidental discharge" weapons in my life. 2 shotguns, 2 AR's, 1 pistol, each and everyone of them had something in common, the handling of the weapons was careless and lacked training while unloading, inspecting or moving them, you LEOs know I'm talking about. Everyone of them denied having a finger on the trigger when it went of, the brain due to the shock of what just occurred blocks it. 1 guy had shotgun go of inside patrol car thru the floor, was deaf for minutes until he realized what happened and reported "the gun just went of". 🤣
If I'm not mistaken, guns have multiple safeguards to prevent discharge without operation of the trigger. So if the trigger is not pulled, it must have been multiple catastrophic failures to cause it to go off
@@ntfoperative9432 Its pretty easy to accidentaly shoot guns if you don't pay much attention to what your doing. You have to be aware and pay attention
Poor quality guns can go off without touching the trigger. I've seen people drop cheap guns which go off when they hit the ground. A single-action revolver, however, cannot do that.
SWAT cop almost took my foot off with a slug, while working RSO. I was 2 paces back and 1 pace right, when he fumbled a transition and got his shotgun hung up on the 50lb of crap on his belt. I felt the shockwave as it passed inches from my ankle and into the dirt behind me.
What does being a LEO have to do with anything? Deputy had me in cuffs and flagged me several times with my own Makarov, 3rd time he aimed it at my face while he was asking another officer "You ever seen one of these?" Because apparently neither had ever seen a European style/Heel magazine release in their lives. I had to yell at him and let him know a round was in the chamber as he fidgeted with it and aimed at me. I then had to explain how to operate the damn thing while cuffed. When we got to the station I told my cousin that his officers need a weapons familiarization course.
I love how the first time he demonstrates his theory he shoots from the hip and still puts one on target.
yea and he cant hit the target while he is aiming lol definitely a ak guy
@@cajuncountry4885 💀
If you haven't shot a SA revolver much, you should. Surprising easy to do even for an average shooter. He is good though no doubt about that. Too fast to be a newbie.
Alec: “I didn’t pull the trigger, I wouldn’t do that”.
Press X to doubt.
X
Coincidentally, X was ALSO used to fire.
X
I mean, its theoretically possible but only if someone pretty intentionally changed the internal safety mechanisms of the gun lol. That would probably be even more concerning than why there was live ammo on set though.
X
I think Alec is right I've often caught my revolvers loading themselves and trying to point at people, so much so I have to keep them locked up inside a steel box where there is no ammo. Though I have found scratch marks inside the box where I'm sure they were caused by the revolvers trying to escape so they can get to the ammo...
Man your revolvers really love that ammo, theyll do anything to get to it jeez
@@Cnupoc it’s like crack to them
They're addicted LOL
Could it have been altered to allow the hammer to avoid half-cock? Let say so that the could fan it with pullong the trigger for filing. I am genuinely curious.
@@ssshanemjlll Sure,even the trigger could have been altered,but surely that would come out right away once it was properly examined and baldwin and the armourer would have been leaping on it as an excuse. Doesnt absolve pisspoor gun safety behaviour though.
Given how it was a movie set, you'd think someone would've gotten a shot of the guy getting shot.
After hearing an interview with a guy who was LAPD and had been the Firearms Wrangler on like 400 movies and TV shows, and hearing him talk about how it all works, I just don't see how it could be an accident that the gun was loaded with live ammo.
Apparently it's like the well-known mortal movie sin to bring live ammo to a set.
He said even when he would show up to the movie set he had a safe in the prop trailer to lock his duty weapon and ammo in, and he was a damn cop.
NO ONE brings live ammo onto a set.
Yet someone did, and loaded it into the prop gun.
I can count at least eight separate violations of safety rules, by at least three people, for that to happen. If someone did that, they would have to assume that other people would be stupid enough to violate all the safety rules. If they had followed even one rule at any one time, she would be alive.
It was not a prop gun. It was a real gun. A prop, by definition, cant accept a real round.
They where using real gun with blank. With, unless for a close/slowmo shot of the gun, is already a bad idea to have on set.
A movie set should not use real gun with blank for all filming. Non firing prop for all training/repet/ non gunfight fillming, prop for gunfight scene. And maybe real one with blank for special colse up artistical filming. And even for that last point there is real good prop for it. 0 reason for AB to have a real gun in the rust event.
The "head armorer" was hopelessly incompetent and under-qualified. Apparently she wasn't even on set at the time of the shooting.
@@chiriematthieu wrong. A prop is just anything which is property of the studio. Thats what prop is short for
@@Stop_Gooning
She's the daughter of the most famous prop masters but yeah she wasn't on set at the time last I checked.
There was people actually slandering her and started digging into her personal life as ammo to publicly shame her which was a dick move.
Her reputation is ruined and probably wouldn't want to continue her father's legacy after this shit show.
When I heard about this and he said he didn't pull the trigger, this is exactly what I surmised had happened as well. I'm no firearm expert, but having at least a rudimentary understanding of how guns operate helps
i don't trust it. he has reason to lie, rumor is he did point guns at people while talking. claiming that he did not finish cocking before he finished pointing seems much less likely than that he cocked, pointed, and settled the gun in his hand with the finger on the trigger, or assumed he had blanks and intentionally pulled the trigger.
This is why the rules of firearm safety are important. If you follow them, the only way someone gets injured is if the CIA sneaks a TNT filled cartridge into your magazine.
EDIT…. Read this!! The pietta has a bar that has to be activated by the trigger being pulled, that is internal in the hammer,… it pushes the firing pin out so it is long enough to detonate the primer!!! The TRIGGER HAS TO BE PULLED FOR THE PISTOL TO FIRE!! Without pulling the trigger, the bar is not pushed far enough into the hammer to make contact with the firing pin….
It may not have been a live round…. Often in scenes where a wheel gun is used with the muzzle area pointing towards the camera, armorers will glue bullets into the cylinder to give the visual of a loaded revolver. The practice is common but dowels must be glued behind the bullet to prevent loading a blank on top. A blank inserted behind a glued in projectile, is a live round!!!!
The so called armored on set was completely unqualified for the job.
Baldwin is a commie and a liar.
That would make a lot of sense. Could also explain why he's under the impression he didn't press the trigger when it shot.
It was a sacrifice ritual, and he have impunity so anyway.
@@helenerabia6676 sacrifice some bitches into your life
@@calotah Not sacrificed but killed then
@@helenerabia6676 I had a feeling tbh....
First off the revolver wasn't supposed be loaded with blanks, it was supposed to have dummies because the scene did not call for it to be fired. I feel that is very clear that he drew with his finger on the trigger, than cocked the hammer with his thumb. By doing this he inadvertently pulled the trigger a hair while pulling back the hammer which then would allow it to fire the moment he let the hammer fall...
Still, doesnt make it any less his fault that he was pointing the gun at peole who werent in the scene, in between takes. Even if it was supposed to be dummies, why the fck was that gun ever pointed at people who werent ever supposed to have it point at them even during scenes, and why the fck was it pointed at them BETWEEN TAKES?! Whatever he did caused the weapon to fire, and managed to break literally every single main rule of gun safety, never point your gun at anything your not willing to destroy=massive fail, keep your finger OFF the trigger until your ready to shoot= fail, know your target and whats behind it=fail, and treat EVERY weapon as if its loaded= Absolute giga massive fail.
@@legendaryjimbob7685yes but you’re ignoring the fact that 2 weapons experts are supposed to clear the weapon as totally safe for him to handle and in the scene he will be pointing said weapon at the camera man and crew to get the shot they need. There are rules for firearms used in movies one is no live ammunition ever on the set on days they are not doing live firing. Then on days they are live firing there is a whole other set of rules to follow. It should have been safe for him to practice his technique before filming no matter what he did short of throwing the pistol at someone. I don’t blame Alec for this but the armorer. The rule about not pointing a gun at something you’re not willing to destroy is an excellent rule under normal circumstances. You don’t have 2 experts that are supposed to make sure you can’t shoot someone accidentally at the range
Having a live round in the gun on a movie set was already a bit of an unlikely but unfortunate scenario... To say the gun also went off by itself would make it a near on impossible scenario
On set live ammo wasn’t unlikely cause people were using it to shoot cans
@@Brent-jj6qi It should also have been the first thing checked by everyone that touched the gun, even if you're told a weapon is safe there's only one person you can trust for sure (here's a hint; it's you)
This only happened because a daisy-chain of fuckups was allowed to continue, half the staff walked out because they weren't being safe, probably everyone that actually knew anything about firearm safety.
Well the factor that ties it all together is incompetent armorers: can't manage ammo, can't maintain guns, can't train people... Really it explains everything.
Great video!, exactly what I thought, he "fanned" the hammer on a depressed trigger with a live round in the chamber while aiming at people. Ok, let's say the sear was somehow defective/broken, that would still mean a live round was in the chamber, hammer fully cocked AND released while aimed at people. It's a VERY simple and robust machine, not much can go wrong.
If they had followed any of the other basic gun safety rules, it still would not have hurt anyone.
Speaking of cowboy loads: it was customary to only have 5 rounds in your revolver for day to day carry. You would add six if you new a shoot out was imminent. The chamber under the hammer was the empty one.
You know a lot about cowboy loads?
@@edelmantoamendola they've taken plenty
@@ryman1933 I'm sure he's rewatched Bareback Mountain many times
Yes sir
@@davedaveholt6200 been to Ram Ranch plenty of times
4:43 during the slow-mo you can see the bullet ricochet upwards, and previous to that the sound of it ricocheting haha
I love how after the shot at 4:30 you can hear the stereotypical ricochet sound. It's such a perfect ricochet sound that I'd think it was fake if I hadn't heard rounds do that in person. Fits so well with the old western firearm. Perfection.
I noticed that too, cowboy guns are awesome
@@yawattYT Doesn’t only happen with cowboy guns, just mostly subsonic projectiles ricocheting will make that sound (not tryna be condescending btw)
@@trippie_fabio3181 Cool! Can that ricochet noise happen with a .177 BB air gun?
@@bush2239 sure can, I've had it happen with that and .22LR many times
@@trippie_fabio3181 Interesting, didn't know that. Makes sense though.
This video aged like a fine wine; News just broke that the revolver involved in the incident was mechanically sound, AKA it could only fire if the trigger was pulled.
Brandon could easily work for the police as a civilian consultant
Yeah but why would the guy told to do this or that be the one catching all the heat when it seems clear that whoever was in charge of that gun is responsible since its their job to get it ready.
@@AmaryIIion I never said that. All the people in this incident directly responsible in some way are at fault; the armourer for failing to do her job and prevent his from happening in the first place (how the HELL did live rounds make it to a film set in the first place?), the Assistant director, who was not competent enough to clear the gun and declare it cold before handing it to Alec Baldwin, and Alec Baldwin, being so ignorant to even basic firearms safety that he can't comprehend that the gun went off when he had his finger on the trigger. His negligence combined with the other two parties, directly resulted in an innocent woman getting killed and the director getting injured.
@@burnyburnoutze2nd oh yeah I know he lied and stuff and I was more asking with herrara in mind because he really seems to hate Baldwin for not mostly being the blame because he's just handed the gun and told to do whatever with it. Herrera makes it seem like he like took it off a desk and was going to act like he was shooting someone as a joke and it goes off, if that were even it he still wouldn't the the only to blame.
@@AmaryIIion ots because baldwin is one of the most vocally anti gun people in hollywood. Fucking hates them. Constantly demonizing gun owners every chance he gets.
Alec Baldwin: I was handed the gun by the producer on set
Also Alec: I was the producer on set
There is usually more than 1 producer for a film. For Rust, there are 6: Alec Baldwin, Matt DelPiano, Ryan Donnell Smith, Anjul Nigam, Ryan Winterstern, and Nathan Klingher
You shouldn't allow your blind hatred of this man to cause you to be so dumb.
Alec Baldwin's producer credit was strictly for shit like script changes and casting. He's not overseeing the fucking props and managing the armorer.
He was handed the gun by the AD who got it from the Armorer who oked the gun. What this video does not know is the strict protocol for fireams in a film set and why the actors are not the one who checks the rounds. The film set is not a gun range. For one actors are expected to act a scene and shoot other actors with blanks. Sometimes real guns with real ammo is uaed, guns with blanks and sometimes dummy guns. The main purpose of firearms is to tell a story and not to shoot live bullets to a target. And the main purpose is to shoot a scene, not to shoot a target. Some of those actors barely had gun training. There is a specific reason why armorers are responsible for all firearms and ammo in the set and why they are the one's to load it. Why the armorer must hand the gun to the actor or AD and verbally say that is is a blank. This guy knows guns but casually mocks the actor without even knowing why protocols in filmmaking is different.
@@henryposadas295 "This guy knows guns but casually mocks the actor without even knowing why protocols in filmmaking is different."
You say that as if these protocols prevent people from being shot on set...
Baldwin deserves to be mocked because he still to this day refuses to accept any responsibility.
14:50 in England there was (still is to my knowledge) a law that you must actively show that a firearm is clear before handing said firearm to someone else. Can do prison time if you don’t do a basic nsp
I stand behind Alec.
Miles behind. Definitely don’t stand in front of that guy.
That is awesome
Dudes got no trigger discipline or gun knowledge.
Somebody tell Hilarious his wife to not stand by her man but behind him.... way behind him.
BUT and it is a big BUT, that fucker can turn around and suddenly you are in front. *click*
@@N1lav the moment he starts turning around you cave his head in with your foot and keep pounding until you are wearing boots made of Baldwin brains. in court you can claim self defense.
I’ve never even owned a revolver and I knew it was bullshit the moment I heard that he said the trigger wasn’t pulled, I knew about the half cocked stage on the hammer and I knew that these guns have been improved over more than a hundred years
what generation M3
@@savagetuner2404 e46 with a top mount turbo and built engine 💪
The modern replicas are still not safe to carry six, and if they were using vintage, they're well known to fire from releasing before half cock, or even bumping the hammer on one's hip.
@@ryanj610 that’s extremely rare and wasn’t the case here
@@Industry-insider yet you can rig any single shot to fire off the hammer in 10 seconds.
My first thought when I heard AB say he didn't "Pull the trigger" was, I bet he was not practicing safe trigger discipline and had his finger on the trigger just as you demonstrated.
This
Probably pulled the trigger without realizing it. Single actions have fairly light trigger squeezes.
I'm willing to accept that he thought he didn't pull the trigger, but that just highlights once again the lack of proper training and safety procedures around that set. And that still doesn't change the fact that the trigger was, barring an actual malfunction, indeed pulled.
The one thing I always drill into my students before they even touch a loaded firearm is trigger discipline, because that's what every new shooter fails at. Even a half competent instructor on set would have prevented this tragedy.
Been around new shooters for years. Had 3 nd’s and each one said “I didn’t mean to pull the trigger.” Not one person said “it just went off.”
13:46 ok, clears throat....
Just want to throw a comment in here that an impact to the hammer or dropping the hammer from a partially-cocked position CAN cause a discharge in this type of firearm. It's not super-likely, and I'm not surprised that Brandon couldn't get it to happen here, but it is a possibility. Primers can vary in both sensitivity of the priming compound and in how hard or soft the metal is. Primers can also sit a little deeper or shallower in the primer pocket due to variations in reloading equipment/processes. Also, the protrusion of a gun's firing pin can vary due to tolerances and/or wear. So while an impact or light hammer strike may not reliably set off a round, it is very much a possibility if some other factors align.
It was common practice back in the day to only load five rounds, keeping the cylinder under the hammer empty when carrying one of these older single-action revolvers in a holster. Modern revolvers have extra parts like transfer bars or hammer blocks that mechanically prevent any contact between the firing pin and primer unless the trigger is actually being pulled.
If you are shooting with an older-model revolver or a reproduction, please be extra careful when handling them in a loaded state.
Excellent explanation of how single action revolvers that use the actual firing pin attached to the hammer face (as opposed to revolvers that use transfer bars or hammer blocks) function. The best dissertation on the Baldwin discharge that I've seen. Better than ANYTHING that has been explored on the mainstream news channels...
I teach handgun safety (NRA-certified instructor). You demonstrated EXACTLY what I thought had happened with the single-action revolver when the on-set accident was claimed. You are on the money.
As soon as Baldwin said "I didn't pull the trigger" I knew what happened, and your video illustrates it perfectly.
But, to the ignorant, misinformed, and biased...when they hear him say "I didn't pull the trigger" it reinforces their belief that guns are the problem since they must "go off by themselves."
The gun could have a defect. I have a similar pistol that fired on full cock without pulling the trigger (luckily into the ground) due to a mechanical issue, immediately put the gun up and took it to a gunsmith to fix though, wasn't pointing it at anyone, etc. It isn't a defense, and i'm not really a fan of Baldwin, but investigation into the pistol would confirm if that is a real possibility. I like the video and explanation here, but it at least needs to be mentioned that it COULD happen on a particular gun IF it isn't mechanically sound. big IFs.
@@christopherwood9225 Big IFs indeed. I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that a forensic examination proves there was no mechanical defect.
@@shooter505 I'd go quite a bit larger on the odds there, and my immediate thought was and still is the same as yours. The fact it happened on mine, when it had been previously firing perfectly fine with hundreds of rounds through it had to be closer to 1 in a million is what gives me pause and say he deserves his day in court and the facts will speak for themselves though. I was with 3 friends that thought I was dicking around when mine went off, which is based off the same reaction as we all have here. They realized it wasn't that when I put it away and stopped firing anything the rest of the day. It is certainly not a good feeling when a gun goes off you don't mean to. Key point here though, is if following the most basic of safety guidelines it can happen and nobody is in danger. I still think he was simply being careless and is trying to cover his ass saying this, because everything else that led up to it shouldn't have happened anyway. His typical arrogance works against him 1000%.
@@christopherwood9225 Unfortunately, it is his interviews that show ignorance, whether he truly is or not.
@@christopherwood9225 Still doesn’t take away from the fact that he was handling the firearm, with a live round in it. He still pointed it at people, still his fault. Even if guns aren’t loaded you should never point them.
That is amazing that the bullet kept on line after hitting the beer. I would have expected some deviation. Cool video
Great vid, congrats on being in a Mr. Beast video for 5 seconds. Must have been fun blowing up the bridge with Jimmy.
I kept waiting on them to circle back to that
What video was that
@@EverythingDigital5779 a mr beasts bid, where he gets chased by army guys, and in the bgeining they blow up a bridge, and brandon is there
@@AlexDerange link?
@@EverythingDigital5779 just look it up on ytb
You're putting out intelligent, well-thought out content with humor mixed in. Keep up the good work!
They are very well done videos I enjoy his content lots
Thoughtful is literally the last word I’d use to describe Brandon’s content. Actually, second to last word. The last word is funny.
Cringe
That's the general case.
Subscribe hahahaha
Yeah that's the kinda crap that gets you banned around here.
Brandon: Smacking AK mag on revolver hammer
Morse code people: Write that down! Write that down!
That sounds legit actually lol someone check into this
The meta jokes in this video are perfect. The tripod joke, the blank round mysteriously on set. Savage! lmao
The question is , would Alec have checked if there were any live rounds in the pistol if he was doing a suicide scene?
I hope not
@@uberedengie5966 You deserve more than the single upvote I can give.
That’s a pretty heinous thing to say
@Domenick boucher I hope that you really know the meaning of heinous. A life could have been saved if Alec wasn't so arrogant and would have double checked rhe "weapon". Save your emotions and feelings and perhaps have some sympathy for the dead woman's child!
@@Upsetkiller456 The world would be a far better place if Alec Baldwin had died years before. This is a fact.
"a blank round? how did that get in there?" i laughed too hard at this. Great stuff sir!
That actually happened three different times on the set before the live round. A stuntman fired two blanks in an "unloaded" firearm and the prop master shot herself in the foot with another "unloaded" firearm.
I remember thinking "if it is an old revolver, wouldn't it be single action?" How many safety rules did you have to break for this to happen; 6?
Hmmm.... lets see...There are 5 basic, universal rules of firearm safety alone. The 5 Gun Commandments, if you will
1. ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FIREARM POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION.
2. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED.
3. KEEP YOUR TRIGGER FINGER OUTSIDE THE GUARD AND OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE.
4. BE CERTAIN OF YOUR TARGET, YOUR LINE OF FIRE, AND WHAT LIES BEYOND YOUR TARGET.
5. ALWAYS WEAR APPROPRIATE EYE AND EAR PROTECTION WHEN SHOOTING AND MAINTAINING YOUR FIREARM.
He broke all 5 of them.
His production staff also broke every rule they had too. The director handed him the gun and said it was unloaded. There was live ammo on set. The armorer didn't know where this gun was at the time....
Yeah, he and his crew broke the 5 Gun Commandments and at least 10 film set rules and regulations.
They're all fucked.
Brandon said it best:
"The good part of gun safety is that you normally have to break multiple rules for something bad to happen"
Alec Baldwin managed to fucking speedrun breaking all of them
@@eisenkrahe7125 lmao! That he did.
@@shockwave6213 Everytime a real gun is used on a movie set multiple rules of firearm safety are broken by default, and everyone in the production industry knows this. The job of armourers is to reduce risk. If you are filming a scene where you have to shoot another person (obviously you won't shoot them in real life) and are using a real gun, you will always break firearm safety rules. I hate to break it to you, but real guns are used on movie sets all the time.
Not to defend alec baldwin, but stating the 'rules' is pointless
Mgs profile pic talking about a revolver I love it
Came back to visit this gem felt appropriate with the trial going on now.
The live ammo is easy to explain. Early reporting said that some staff had live fired guns the _morning of_ the fatal shoot. Even if it wasn't that morning, there were reports of shots going off on set earlier.
Add such bad practice to a slew of other failures to follow safety protocols, and voila. Not a mystery.
Yeah apparently they were using the "prop" gun to shoot cans for fun.
They knew on day one that they were going to have a bad time when the armorer tried to show Jensen Ackles how to shoot.
And from what I heard, multiple staff members were walking off set due to safety concerns.
there should never ever ever ever be live ammo on a shoot that uses guns. never.
Those were just the times he missed. Hard to be a accurate when you're trying to make it look like an accident.
Yeah, I'm no gun expert and thought the same thing. He said he was practicing a cross draw, and I can imagine him fanning when he did so, not realizing that having his finger anywhere near the trigger defeated the safety.
A lot of things did
Everyone who ND’s always says “I didn’t even touch the trigger”, “it JUST went off” or “oh my god I thought it wasn’t loaded”. Baldwin is covering his bases.
And Alec walks free. If this happen to a non famous person , He would be spending many years in prison. What of a bunch of BS.
I agree and has been what I’ve believed all along - the most likely explanation is that his finger was on the trigger the entire time he was manipulating the hammer. When he says he didn’t pull the trigger, he’s likely telling the truth in that he really believes he didn’t pull the trigger.
As to how live ammo got into the gun, that one’s easy - Cooper’s Rule #1, “All Guns Are Always Loaded”. This event is a very good example of why Cooper worded that the way he did.
That is to assume a man's guilt without evidence. A broken trigger spring could have caused the gun to fire without the trigger being pulled. Any other theory is without evidence entirely. It is assuming a man's guilt over baseless accusations and speculation). I pray we don't forget the Right of every man to be Presumed Innocent until Proven guilty. This is a right that we would each want afforded to ourselves if we were ever accused of a crime or found ourselves in a similar situation. In that case, it can only be hypocrisy. (and to turn our backs on the American Values and Morals we claim to believe in).
@@deucedeuce1572 This is an internet discussion, not a court of law. If the firearm turns out to be defective or modified such that it can fire simply by pulling back and releasing the hammer as Baldwin described, that is something the investigation should be able to verify quite easily. In the meantime, the overwhelmingly more likely explanation is he pulled the trigger.
You are confused as to what are and are not rights. The presumption of innocence applies to criminal proceedings, in the meantime our first amendment rights allow us the freedom to discuss the case however we choose, short of outright slander.
- He probably has had a metal break to some extent (I know I would if I accidentally caused someone's death) and this narrative in his mind helps him live with it (and he probably has no idea that he is doing this).
- Also the gun rules do not really work on set when you have shots that require guns to be aimed at people, but when not filming they should be using that model for sure (this is why they have their own set of rules, which were not followed obviously).
@@PartStupid If you or I did what Baldwin did, we'd likely be facing criminal charges. I don't see how "a different set of rules" applying in Hollywood where the elites play pretend with real guns absolves him of criminal responsibility here in the real world.
Those in the firearms community utilize blue guns, SIRT guns, sims guns, even airsoft guns when running training scenarios that require pointing guns at one another. Why is Hollywood above similar protocol? I have a hard time believing they face more stringent budgetary constraints than the cop taking training classes on his own time and own dime who still goes out and buys a blue gun.
Baldwin has since repeatedly said things like (I paraphrase) "industry protocols need to change going forward to prevent this from happening again and I want to be a part of that process". I can think of little that would serve as a better wake up call to the industry that real consequences apply to real firearms misuse than an involuntary manslaughter charge and prison time for Mr. Baldwin, and IMO if he genuinely wanted to be part of the solution he'd plead guilty.
@@TacticalStrudel Rights are Rights. They should be practiced Everywhere, not just in a court of law. The same goes for morals. It is not only a Right to be presumed innocent, but it is IMMORAL to assume a man's guilt. It's also blatantly hypocritical. You cannot say that you would not want people to presume your innocence if you were ever accused or that it's not hypocrisy. It spits in the face of the Golden Rule (the Foundation for any moral, decent person, not to mention the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights).
Love that the firearms community is calling him out on his BS.
This is why I'm - whilst not a gun nut at all, like brandon's videos. He's open minded. Yes - he called bullshit on the "I didn't shoot her" claim - but he shows in his last scenario, what might have happened. This - and with it, have a look at my post about the poor maintenance - a poorly maintained weapon could fire, just by cocking the hammer. And this is, what just might have happened. And this isn't something that's possible to happen, if two people tell you, that they have proven it to be an empty, unloaded gun. This was a filmset after all. There's no place, where life rounds are "acceptable" in this case. Next time someone blasts the whole crew to dust with a pound of C4, because nobody cared, if it's the real deal or not.
If you watch Hunt for the Red October where Baldwin stars as Jack Ryan, the scene where he’s running around with a handgun, his finger’s on the trigger the entire time.
He’s also trying to kill a stray Russian on a submarine who could be around any corner
@@arcanum3882 You can accomplish this while practicing good trigger discipline.
@@arcanum3882 you still dont do that while running.
Also discharge of a firearm on a submarine is not generally recommended.
@@arcanum3882 Well he's not gonna catch him if he trips and blows his own brains out now is he?
If we're being 100% scientific then 1000's of cartridges would have to be tested while fidgeting with the hammer.
Alec: "I didn't pull the trigger" Everyone: "something's fucky"
W comment 😂
Mhhhhhh something is fuckyyyyy
A believe broken trigger spring could have caused the gun to fire exactly how he said. Assuming anything else would be baseless (without any evidence) and hypocritical (assuming a man's guilt without evidence and violating his Right to be presumed innocent... which is a Right we would each want afforded to ourselves if we were ever accused of a crime or found ourselves in a similar situation.)
That single action is so beautiful.
I like how Baldwin keeps saying he would never point a weapon at someone and pull the trigger, Even though I am pretty sure in making a western movie at some point you’re going to point a weapon at someone and pull the trigger.
From what numerous actors and armourers say they play with camera angles and never have the weapon pointed directly at anyone because even a blank can send unburnt powder etc into people and cause injuries. If gun is to be fired directly at camera noone is behind camera when it happens. Alex committed a major nono in gun safety and had been telling absolute lies since it happened. Remember the She was my friend act, well it turns out he met her a few days earlier for the first time. Oh and just to really play with things, Her husband is currently a part of prosecuting the Maxwell case where half of Hollywood is scared of relevations.
@@alexandermarken7639
Damn that's gonna be a South Park episode in the future!
LET'S GO! THIS IS WHAT UA-cam WAS MADE FOR!
Surprised this hasn't been to cover Baldwin ass
ok fury cutter on venusaur
YES UA-cam WAS MADE TO SEE IF ACTORS ACCIDENTALLY KILLED SOMEONE OR NOT!
Thank you for your knowledge and your stand on the ATF we gotta all stand together brother
I own a replica of this revolver, i knew instantly what Alec did...he pulled the trigger back as he pulled the hammer back. You can do this on accident, especially when speed firing single handed by putting any pressure on the trigger as it will depress and the hammer will fly forward the moment your thumb leaves it. Alec did pull the trigger back, but not after the hammer. I think this is how this tragedy happened.
This is only the SECOND link in the chain of events. The first link is how did a live round get into that gun in the first place?
@@bobjohnbowles that is a whole other question, who bloody knows.
@@bobjohnbowles i watched the full questioning video , he claimed it was a projectile or obstruction and not a bullet.
and this is why you have trigger discipline.
where did you get that fine specimen of a gun?
There are so many of these videos on youtube and I watch every single one of them. Sadly it's taught me a lot about single action revolvers and also Alec Baldwin is guilty as hell.
What crime is he guilty of? Even if his mishandling of the weapon directly caused the negligent discharge - that isn't the same as being criminally responsible for the woman's death.
Everyone who touched the gun between the last time the armorer cleared it and when it was handed to Baldwin are equally culpable, Baldwin was just the one holding it when it went off.
@@Stop_Gooning Manslaughter. It could easily be argued that even blanks can kill and you never play with a gun, loaded or not. Manslaughter is mueder by way of stupidity essentially.
@@Stop_Gooning negligent homicide.
@@Stop_Gooning ultimately it fell to Baldwin to check his own gun for live ammunition. That was his job. If you are given a gun and don’t know if it’s loaded or not, you unload and clear it. That’s rule one of basic firearms safety “Treat every gun as if it’s loaded” Baldwin forgot “Finger off the trigger until ready to fire” too. On the second point, yes his finger was definitely on the trigger. The Colt he was using doesn’t just randomly go off, the problem of accidental discharges in revolvers (to no fault of the shooter) was fixed in the 1800s
@@Penigale It actually is not the actor's job to unload their prop gun, inspect the prop bullets to make sure none of them are real and then reload their prop gun.
My guess on the whiteclaw test is that it’s going to destroy the first, but just wound the second.
Comment of the day right here
But how will that happen if Brandon doesn't pull the hammer back or pull the trigger?
Ouch.
Great video! Also I learned a lot about classic revolvers! Thank you!
The “a blank round… I don’t know how that got on set” really got me going even though I was hoping for it.
I work at a gunstore as a sales guy and training group instructor, and I have actually learned something watching this. I was unaware of the fact that replicas have that spring loaded firing pin to make them safe to go hammer forward on a loaded cylinder. Now when I start wheel-gun Wednesday at work, I’m going to carry all 6 rounds
Double check, because they don't always do that. Many replicas are identical to the old models (and carry the same risks). I'm fairly certain Pietta's and Uberti's have fixed hammer firing pins (I fairly certain their Black Powder /C&B one's do).
I don’t have one yet, but I’ll be sure to check whichever I look at buying
@@deucedeuce1572 Picked up a Pietta 1858 Remington C&B ( ua-cam.com/video/yC1Zc4zAOwc/v-deo.html ) the other day. They have a half-notch safety in them- a place to set the hammer BETWEEN the cylinders, and from that location they will rotate to a loaded chamber on cocking of the hammer. To set the hammer in there though takes a little manipulation of the cylinder and hammer together- just enough to pull the hammer free of the rotation area of the cylinder. It's not hard, but I still recommend practicing on an unloaded one first. Or at least an uncapped one.
Or get a vaquero from Ruger, it has a transfer bar and a "floating" firing pin so you can carry 6 and no matter how hard you hit the hammer it won't fire unless the trigger is pulled or held back in the case of fanning the hammer.
The ones I’ve seen just wiggle a little bit but aren’t spring loaded. I always thought this was to avoid putting too much pressure on the firing pin were it to hit the frame from not being perfectly centered on the hole since it already goes in at an angle.
It would make sense from a manufacturing perspective to keep firing pins from breaking on the frame. Also why the hole and the firing pin are tapered, so it’s not flat surfaces hitting each-other.
I would test it yourself first but if it works then for sure carry all 6.
Interesting story, so my buddy was showing me his revolver and like a good gun nerd, as soon as he handed it to me I checked the cylinder. Fully loaded. He was as surprised as I was!
Whats happening is either revolvers are turning against us and are purposely sticking rounds inside themselves or it just feels good to stick rounds inside themselves.
“Every gun is loaded, until you check and make it unloaded.” - my grandfather, handing me his .22 revolver for the first time and showing me how to check it
@@deadguy775 Schroedinger's Law of Firearms
“Keep ‘em loaded for self defense n shitz” -Millennial Fudd or something
*surprised Pikachu finding out it’s loaded*
Not calling you and your buddy Fudd’s, just you always here people saying “I keep my gun loaded at all times” like they’re expecting a raid on their freedom at any moment
just reading that gave me anxiety.
thank you for being safe.
4:29 I'm screaming😂