That's basically the same setup I'll finally be going with, once I do a turbo/intercooler upgrade I really like the numbers the Garrett IC were putting out as far as functionality
Just to confirm. This is stock other than turbo, FMIC, and e30 fuel with a tune and you got 300+hp? Man I cannot wait to finish my car by putting a big turbo. I’ve got all other parts installed and just waiting for those last couple bucks to become available. Thank you for all the great videos!
OK, after seeing this video for about 15 times a I’ve decided these are the numbers I want for my car. Already tune by Alan and I’ve been super impressed with the results and his patience with me. I’m definitely going to be getting this turbo from edge!!!
Regarding 10:30, an ATP can be installed by undoing the motor mount, wedging something to push the motor forward to maximize the space. It goes up past the driveshaft and stuff quite nicely once the turbo is backwards, rather than the final mounted position.
@@bacchusthompson5834 remove the RMM and you'll be able to play puzzle until You get it up in there. Make sure to attach Your intake 45° elbow they provide and the coolant feed line ( they are hard to get at with the turbo hung up in there)
@@bacchusthompson5834 it's unnecessary to remove the axle, but you could. Just try facing the turbo the other way, and use a piece of wood under a jack to wedge the motor forward. Worked fine for me.
Great video! You’ll have to add $500 to the price of 300whp because you’ll need a Cobb AP too. I think the power Max and a Edge auto sport tune will be in my near future
@@TMTMS3 btw I ordered the Garrett power max and the internal wastegate I believe you said something about a fitting you had to buy. Where can I get it?
I have a turbosmart wastegate on my stock ST turbo, can I use the that same wastegate on this turbo? I also have a FLOW dump valve for the stock turbo, will that fit the Garrett turbo as well???
If anyone is watching these videos trying to decide if you want this guy to tune your focus but you see all of these videos of him tuning big turbo focus st's......... do it, I did and do not regret it one bit!!!!!
Not sure if you will ever see this @edge autosport, do I need a bov for This turbo? If so what ones can I get and does it go in place of the factory turbo bov location
Boost has to be tapered down on this turbo regardless what fuel is being run. When you hold 20+ psi to redline you cant put any timing in it, an indication the hot side is still too small (the diameter of the exducer is still 38mm, which is stock sized). Power nosedives and it feels terrible when trying to hold boost. Tapering boost off above 5000rpm allows a lot more timing to be added and carries much more power. This was the case with my car on 93 and e30 with this turbo.
Excellent video, I keep coming back to it so I can pick out all of the different details of your tests. I would love to see some more information on pump gas (especially 91 octane) since ethanol is simply not available where I am in Washington. Thanks!
So I currently have a catback, turbosmart bov and aftermarket intake, turbo is going out… I’m stationed in California, where 93 isn’t a thing but 91 is. Would it be safe to run 91 with the power max turbo and intercooler?
Nice I have a escape titanium 2.0 ecoboost awd. Turbo might be blow. So time for upgrade. Can u recommend this one for easy replacement... I'm running all stock Cobb filter.
Question... is this tune still considered Stage 1 with added hardware. Reason for my question is that I'm looking at the same type of tune and power output for my focus ST.
@@TMTMS3 this sounds like the perfect setup for my focus St. Like you said before this should of been the factory tune from the assembly line. I will be in contact via email once all my parts are available. You are doing good work for the ST community. Well done !!!
6 hours is reasonable depending on who is doing it. It can be done faster, but maybe by a person that has done it several times on this car. It could also be done slower lol.
Glad we could help! We just got a bunch of these in stock, grab one before they go on backorder for another 6 months again! edgeautosport.com/garrett-powermax-direct-fit-turbocharger-upgrade-ford-focus-st-2013-2018-more-2-0-ecoboost-models/
How do you reckon the Garrett Powermax compares to a BWS turbo, specifically the Turbobay one? I'd imagine power-wise they're really similar, although I'm sure the Garrett unit is bound to be more reliable. I may or may not have a Turbobay turbo sitting in my room right next to me on the floor, so just curious if these are about the numbers I'll be seeing when I get y'all to tune me ;D Worth mentioning though, I'm at sea level, will be on 93 octane, and am FBO otherwise, so I might actually see some slightly higher numbers if I'm lucky.
Performance is subjective here, as a larger core will cool better but yield slower spool times depending on turbo. We love the Garrett we currently have installed on Half Send: edgeautosport.com/garrett-front-mount-intercooler-ford-focus-st-2013-2018/ thats awesome for stock and mild turbo upgrades!
I have a question. With the Turbosmart WG did it come calibrate it or is it a Bolt-on? I really want to do this set up so bad but im worried about the WG and how to install it and how much PSI needs to be calibrated. Really wish it was show on this vid.
No, you need to have a tune for the first time you start the car or you can cause damage to the system. When you purchase a tune from us, we will provide you with a safe base tune that you can use for a short time until you are able to complete the tuning process. E-Tunes are very easy to do and can be done on your own time from anywhere in the world!
Did you guys ever dyno this on 91? Wife's car has been the same setup for years. 91 tune, intercooler and modified stock exhaust. I wouldn't mind bolting on a few more horsepower if it makes sense to do it.
@@EdgeAutosport okay thank you, cause just recently i installed this turbo and my check engine light came on, everything is perfectly back together so I assume I need a tune.
So you can run pretty much stock everything with this turbo??? Here are my current mods 3" Catless DP 3" Accelatec catback exhaust Whoosh FMIC. Will these turbos work well with these? Whats all required?
Yep, this is basically a factory (OEM+) turbo upgrade! Everything made for the OEM turbo will work perfectly. The only real difference is a RS fitment BOV on the Powermax
@@EdgeAutosport I just want to avoid the entire EWG deal... I know the BNR is a journal Turbo, just wondering what the draw backs are if any and what is your overall thought of the quality of the BNR's?
We've modified a lot of newer platforms around here and the ST is a great foundation of a platform to mod. It's easy to make power and the motor handles a good deal. It's a great car to mod.
@@EdgeAutosport have you ever tuned a setup that was running the cobb stage 3 power package with the 2867 turbo? thats the setup i want to go for but i havent seen anyone run it yet and im hesitate
Got mine last year. Wait til black Friday. Some companies put the powermax on a helluva sale! Last year's sale they dropped them down in the $$700-800 range roughly 😉
That remains to be seen at least for us, but I'd say the other comment is about right. Maybe 10-15 hp. It may require a catback to get that much too. We'll probably figure that out at some point.
I have been waiting a long time for this review! I’m really curious/anxious to see what it can do with full bolt ons I.E: intercooler, charges pipes, t/b and intake spacer, catless down pipe and 3” back ext.. with e30 tune. Think FBO + E30 will hit over 330whp at sea level? Can’t wait for the updates!
dumb question, but Im about to pull the trigger on the garrett-powermax-turbocharger, and I noticed you didn't drain any fluids from the car despite needing to disconnect all of the lines from the turbo. Did I just miss something, or is it really just that easy?
The amount of torgue. I have just swapped the airbox and filter and a mild tune with COBB accerort. Next thing is a intercooler and exhaust at some point.
Hey Alan, when you installed the Garrett powermax intercooler were you able to keep the lower grill intercooler plastic shroud? I would like to retain that shroud to keep direct air flow to the core.
I think he kept it off. But if it makes you feel better I removed mine and haven’t had any issues at all. Oil doesn’t get hotter than it did with the shroud on, coolant temps are great, my intercooler stays at ambient maybe 5 degrees over on few wot pulls. And it looks awesome without it on lol.
Due to the shape of most aftermarket intercoolers, you are unable to keep the shroud. There are two intercoolers you can use that will let you keep the shroud but they cost an arm and a leg. I'm using DnR 3.5" intercooler and like Dan said above, all temps stay down. No irregularities seen on Accessport. Other mods I have done are Turbosmart dual port bov, Injen cai, Cobb rear motor mount and air filter, Stop Tech drilled and slotted front and rear, resonator and simposer delete. Full 2.5" exhaust to stock mufler and this turbo will be my last power mods next year.
Do you suspect that the ST will always need the RS actuator and the 90 degree banjo fitting? Hypothetically what will happen if I just bought the turbo without those parts? It's been a while since I watched this video, but I'm now looking to upgrade to the PowerMax soon.
@@TrashAnyway Really? That's awesome, thanks for letting me know. I'm buying one for the Spring season. Assuming you've got one on your ST, is there anything else I should know?
@@RthereNEusernames Mine is on a Fusion Titanium. Get your tune ahead of time, and DEFINITELY get a bigger intercooler. Make sure you replace the oil return line and get 2 sets of crush washers for the other oil/coolant lines. Also, if you live in a state where rust is a problem, have a v-band clamp for the downpipe ready just in case.
@@RthereNEusernames You never wan to reuse the gaskets on the oil/coolant lines. And the oil return line should be replaced as a precaution because of the construction.
My 2018 ST is FBO with stock turbo. I love it but I want a little more. I've avoided the 2867r because of the cost and because it is my daily driver and I just want long term reliable power that is more than stock but not sacrifice daily drivability. My question is, would you recommend this turbo over the 2860 in terms of reliability? I put a lot of miles on it so I'm afraid a "big turbo" will wear my engine faster, but this powermax seems like a good compromise.
I was one of the first people to install a Powermax on my car, I'm at about 4,000 miles so far. I'm putting trust in the Garrett name that it will last a long time, as my car is also my daily. That being said, this turbo does hit hard in the midrange and therefore actually may be harder on internals than the 2860. I wanted the stock-like spool which is why i went with the PM. But the 2860 gen 2 will be capable of much more power.
@@GTkyle thank you! That answered a lot of my questions. I’m only at 65,000 miles so I think my engine can last a good while longer. I didn’t consider the torque being higher maybe hurting internals. Does it carry the power further into the rpm’s over stock as well? I hate how gutless stock turbo is after like 4K rpm’s.
@@UncleBruce97 the torque of an actual big turbo comes in more smoothly and therefore is easier on engine internals and driveline, so the 2860 should in theory be easier on the engine as long as you arent aggressive with boost and timing. The Powermax power curve is very Similar to stock. It might hang a couple hundred rpm higher but the hot side is still restrictive like the stock K03 so it behaves similarly, just makes way more power. I would shift around 5500rpm on the stock turbo, i shift around 6000rpm with the powermax, just off seat feel. Also, while im talking about this. This turbo will absolutely carry 20+psi to 6500, However, it creates so much heat that its hard to throw any timing at it. So what we ended up doing was tapering boost off above 5000rpm which allowed a lot more ignition timing to be added and actually picked up a lot of power in doing so. Alan tapered it to 16psi at 6500rpm on my 93 tune and 18psi on my e30 tune. Otherwise it peaks at 24, carries 21 to 22, throughout the midrange, then is tapered after 5000rpm. This is crucial.
@@GTkyle what kind of power would a FBO, E30, sea level (southern Texas) ST make? I feel like those high altitude figures are far off the potential since the air density is a problem. I’ve seen FBO+ E30 JST tunes hit 300whp/430+ftlbs.. I’m pretty sure I’m in that range considering how much I’ve pulled on modded STi’s, 370z’s, M3’s, etc.. and I’m on the factory K03. If I feel I’m lacking on top end, I think with a simple turbo swap and tune, I’d be happy with 350-370whp without touching a single other component if it’s achievable.
@@dham99 depends on the weather, honestly. South texas is hot and humid. Ive heard of people hitting 300whp and high 300s torque with the stock turbo on e30, aggressive tune, low altitude, and good weather. Maybe in the winter time on a cool or cold day you make that kind of power, but not that torque. Yes a simple turbo swap and retunewill get you 350 whp and 380ish tq. If you never plan to run aux fuel, id run the gtx2860r gen 2, otherwise if you do plan to run it eventually, get the gtx2867 gen 2. Edge has a great video on the 2860, its a potent turbo for stock fuel system.
tuning@edgeautosport.com if you have specific tuning inquiries! Otherwise, you can purchase an etune on the site and you'll get a reply from us pretty quickly. edgeautosport.com/edge-autosport-etune-ford-focus-st-2013-2018-focus-rs-2016-2018/
Pretty neat little turbo but for me if you're gonna upgrade and go through all that hassle get something that's gonna give you more power. Gtx2860r at the minimum. For me the powermax falls in the same category (power-wise) as a hybrid turbo and I've never been keen on those. If you're gonna send it don't do a half-send.
I agree if you are planning to make mid to upper 300's for power. But if you are just wanting a 300hp stock turbo setup, the power max is the way to go. Yes, you have to change out the turbo, but it isn't too much more difficult to do that over changing the downpipe. For the money, an intercooler and the Pmax is cheaper than all the other bolt-ons necessary to get to 300whp on stock turbo and you aren't pushing the turbo as hard so it is a more reliable 300whp also. Basically, its not really an upgraded turbo, its what the stock turbo should have been.
@@TMTMS3 yeah that's true.. Definitely the right turbo for someone who will be content with 300 wheel-hp.. I was sitting at around 260 whp before you sold me the gtx2867r and I'm glad I went that route because 300 wouldn't have done it for me lol.. Next Is HPFP and injectors then I'll be content maybe.. Thanks again for the great content, it's much appreciated in the community.
Hey… I’m glad to have found you online . I have a Ford Focus st 2021. Are you able to outline the upgrade specs you have just done as I am keen to do some upgrades to mine if those products also work well with a focus st 2021 model ? Thanks !!
@@EdgeAutosport I think I’m gonna try the power max, if I want/need more I’ll just save up and get the bigger GTX option. Thanks for doing this video! Expect a purchase in the near future...if still available.
The OEM intercooler sucks ass on my Velo N too. Went with a Wagner FMIC. In a couple months I’m putting in a GTX2867 (44mm tial wg), meth. Backup from garret of course
The COBB Accessport should be one of your first mods, even the Stage 1 maps are an improvement over stock. Plus you can then read codes, engine data, and get custom tuned to get the best from a FMIC later
i have Garrett powermax turbo + Turbosmart IWG75 Wastegate Actuator Ford Focus RS Downpipe de-cat(AWE) 3 inch Exhaust (AWE) 3inch Garrett intercooler Cold intake Cobb accessport v3 if i have custom map 100-200 km how time ????
My stock turbo has a leak and I am thinking about replacing it with this one because it is affordable and my car does not have mods to support a bigger turbo. Does this turbo require a tune? I do not have an access port and I am unsure if I would be able to afford to make that purchase along with the Turbo.
Did you ever find an answer to this question? I'm in the same boat. I need to replace the stock turbo and heard this was a better replacement, but don't want to pay for a tune, intercooler upgrade, etc right now.
Would you guys be able to do a video on the new Garret G series like the g25-550 and 660. I'm really curious how those pair up next to the infamous 2867 considering they spool so early yet offer so much more
@@EdgeAutosport Awesome, I'm very interested in the 550 inparticular there's is pretty much 0 coverage on either of the turbos. Seems like they would be a much more practical future proof turbo compared to many other options on the market. Thanks hope's to see it
I need opinions on this turbo cuz people are telling me in forums and a group I’m in on Facebook that this turbo sucks cuz it gets too hot, and it’ll mess the engine up. How is that so? I have a bad turbo in my ‘16 ST and want to replace it and I was thinking about this turbo to have at least 300 hp nothing more or less on 93 octane. I don’t want to do anything crazy I just want 300 hp for my car that’s it for as long as I have the car. Please help!!!!!!
We love this turbo for an OEM+ build! Its got plenty of spool for daily driving, and when paired with full bolt-ons, you can expect to top out around 300hp/400tq. Turbochargers get extra hot when pushed near their efficiency limit, so if you want AT LEAST 300hp, you should consider a GTX2860 or 2867 perhaps. But make sure to watch the rest of the ST videos on our channel and subscribe to stay up-to-date! And as always, feel free to give our shop a call, we take pride in our customer service, and can help find the right turbo and mods for your build goals.
Finally, you guys are back. I was missing your videos about the Focus.
Finally!! I was hoping they did as I've just got a Focus ST a few weeks ago so this stuff is perfect :)
@@IndefiniteMark they have a ton of other videos already showing mods you can do.
@@richardlapoint1845 I know, I've watched it all!
@@IndefiniteMark yeah Alan is top notch. I'm about to get an etune from him after I do my exhaust. I may end swapping the turbo too 🤣🤣.
That's basically the same setup I'll finally be going with, once I do a turbo/intercooler upgrade
I really like the numbers the Garrett IC were putting out as far as functionality
This is one of the best Focus ST Tunning videos I've ever seen! Looking for what's next!
Just to confirm. This is stock other than turbo, FMIC, and e30 fuel with a tune and you got 300+hp? Man I cannot wait to finish my car by putting a big turbo. I’ve got all other parts installed and just waiting for those last couple bucks to become available. Thank you for all the great videos!
Yes, intercooler, powermax, cobb filter, and e30 tune are only things done to it besides the brakes and wheels/tires.
Alan is correct - Yes, that's the Alan from the video in case you didn't realize.
I know. I was surprised he had and took the time to reply to me. Much appreciated.
OK, after seeing this video for about 15 times a I’ve decided these are the numbers I want for my car. Already tune by Alan and I’ve been super impressed with the results and his patience with me. I’m definitely going to be getting this turbo from edge!!!
Can we see a dyno run of half send with fbo? 👀
Been loving your tune on my FOST. Need some new plugs though after a trip out west and crappy gas
Regarding 10:30, an ATP can be installed by undoing the motor mount, wedging something to push the motor forward to maximize the space. It goes up past the driveshaft and stuff quite nicely once the turbo is backwards, rather than the final mounted position.
Is it easier just to take out the passenger side axle? Going to be installing a BNR 3071 soon, just looking for the easiest method.
@@bacchusthompson5834 remove the RMM and you'll be able to play puzzle until You get it up in there. Make sure to attach Your intake 45° elbow they provide and the coolant feed line ( they are hard to get at with the turbo hung up in there)
@@bacchusthompson5834 it's unnecessary to remove the axle, but you could. Just try facing the turbo the other way, and use a piece of wood under a jack to wedge the motor forward. Worked fine for me.
@@jwuonog I installed a 2867 a month ago without having to remove the axle or undoing the motor mount. I just kinda slipped right in.
Great video! You’ll have to add $500 to the price of 300whp because you’ll need a Cobb AP too. I think the power Max and a Edge auto sport tune will be in my near future
We're ready!
Thank you for motivating me to make my ST better than it was.
I'm having a problem with the heat and the Oct adj ratio dipped down to . 61 needs to be -1.00
@@Red_man1 that usually happens when you have bad gas but other things can contribute to.
@@TMTMS3 I had to put 89 in cause 91 wasn't available in Las Vegas and your tune doesn't like that
@@TMTMS3 btw I ordered the Garrett power max and the internal wastegate I believe you said something about a fitting you had to buy. Where can I get it?
Just ordered my powermax yesterday can't wait
These videos are brilliant 👍👍👍 thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
This is why we do it!
I have a turbosmart wastegate on my stock ST turbo, can I use the that same wastegate on this turbo? I also have a FLOW dump valve for the stock turbo, will that fit the Garrett turbo as well???
That's nice gains from such a small turbo
I can’t wait to see what my built rs does when you tune it out bud great vid
If anyone is watching these videos trying to decide if you want this guy to tune your focus but you see all of these videos of him tuning big turbo focus st's......... do it, I did and do not regret it one bit!!!!!
Thank you!
considering i only have a steeda intercooler, the rear motor mount from boomba and spark plugs im so happy you said this
Not sure if you will ever see this @edge autosport, do I need a bov for This turbo? If so what ones can I get and does it go in place of the factory turbo bov location
Awesome video,would like some indication of the price of the bolt on bits?eg turbo etc, 2020 ST,from NZ
Just subbed, want to see more of the follow up videos to this with the other bolt ons
Would love to see this turbo on WMI to bump up the boost!
Me too
Boost has to be tapered down on this turbo regardless what fuel is being run. When you hold 20+ psi to redline you cant put any timing in it, an indication the hot side is still too small (the diameter of the exducer is still 38mm, which is stock sized).
Power nosedives and it feels terrible when trying to hold boost. Tapering boost off above 5000rpm allows a lot more timing to be added and carries much more power.
This was the case with my car on 93 and e30 with this turbo.
Excellent video, I keep coming back to it so I can pick out all of the different details of your tests. I would love to see some more information on pump gas (especially 91 octane) since ethanol is simply not available where I am in Washington. Thanks!
So I currently have a catback, turbosmart bov and aftermarket intake, turbo is going out… I’m stationed in California, where 93 isn’t a thing but 91 is. Would it be safe to run 91 with the power max turbo and intercooler?
Can I plug the turbo smart bov on the garret turbo ?
Nice I have a escape titanium 2.0 ecoboost awd. Turbo might be blow. So time for upgrade. Can u recommend this one for easy replacement... I'm running all stock Cobb filter.
I'm learning as I go. Growing up, I was never around car people. Could I do this to my 2017 Ford Escape Titanium 2.0 EcoBoost 4WD, 6-speed Auto?
Yes
Can this turbo be installed with the stock tune if you needed to get your car smogged?
Also interested in the answer to this. Any thoughts @edgeautosport?
awesome tune. that's a good budget for the focus ST
Question... is this tune still considered Stage 1 with added hardware. Reason for my question is that I'm looking at the same type of tune and power output for my focus ST.
@@donwynnorris4767 no I wouldn’t really call it a stage. The turbo kind of throws the stages out the window.
@@TMTMS3 this sounds like the perfect setup for my focus St. Like you said before this should of been the factory tune from the assembly line. I will be in contact via email once all my parts are available. You are doing good work for the ST community. Well done !!!
How many hours should it take a garage to fit this new turbo?
6 hours is reasonable depending on who is doing it. It can be done faster, but maybe by a person that has done it several times on this car. It could also be done slower lol.
@@EdgeAutosport Thanks for the reply!
This is my goal. I’m in Massachusetts, already have FMI going to get this turbo for sure. Looking for 350wheel
Glad we could help! We just got a bunch of these in stock, grab one before they go on backorder for another 6 months again! edgeautosport.com/garrett-powermax-direct-fit-turbocharger-upgrade-ford-focus-st-2013-2018-more-2-0-ecoboost-models/
I have that same dent on the intercooler when you guys sent me one lol
How do you reckon the Garrett Powermax compares to a BWS turbo, specifically the Turbobay one? I'd imagine power-wise they're really similar, although I'm sure the Garrett unit is bound to be more reliable. I may or may not have a Turbobay turbo sitting in my room right next to me on the floor, so just curious if these are about the numbers I'll be seeing when I get y'all to tune me ;D
Worth mentioning though, I'm at sea level, will be on 93 octane, and am FBO otherwise, so I might actually see some slightly higher numbers if I'm lucky.
I’d like to replace the turbo so I’d like to know what the best inter cooler is
Performance is subjective here, as a larger core will cool better but yield slower spool times depending on turbo. We love the Garrett we currently have installed on Half Send: edgeautosport.com/garrett-front-mount-intercooler-ford-focus-st-2013-2018/ thats awesome for stock and mild turbo upgrades!
I have a question. With the Turbosmart WG did it come calibrate it or is it a Bolt-on? I really want to do this set up so bad but im worried about the WG and how to install it and how much PSI needs to be calibrated. Really wish it was show on this vid.
Is it ok to put the pmax on run the st with the factory tune “ that is until I finally find a tune ?
No, you need to have a tune for the first time you start the car or you can cause damage to the system. When you purchase a tune from us, we will provide you with a safe base tune that you can use for a short time until you are able to complete the tuning process. E-Tunes are very easy to do and can be done on your own time from anywhere in the world!
Did you guys ever dyno this on 91? Wife's car has been the same setup for years. 91 tune, intercooler and modified stock exhaust. I wouldn't mind bolting on a few more horsepower if it makes sense to do it.
Will this turbo run fine on stock tune or will it need to be tune to run on it.
A tune is definitely required when stepping up to a bigger turbo, even a smaller step up to the Powermax.
@@EdgeAutosport okay thank you, cause just recently i installed this turbo and my check engine light came on, everything is perfectly back together so I assume I need a tune.
hi . is posible 300 hp on 7-8 psi on.this motor ? other turbo ?
I was literally just watching these again last night wondering where a newer video was.
I did the same one day. These guys are helping me decide on which direction I'm going with mods.
@@richardlapoint1845 I'm only at "stage 2" but I really enjoy the car.
@@megaetk I'm stage 2 currently, but will probably be stage 3 after exhaust.
So you can run pretty much stock everything with this turbo??? Here are my current mods
3" Catless DP
3" Accelatec catback exhaust
Whoosh FMIC.
Will these turbos work well with these? Whats all required?
Yeah the turbo would work great with those mods it’s a bolt on fit
Yep, this is basically a factory (OEM+) turbo upgrade! Everything made for the OEM turbo will work perfectly. The only real difference is a RS fitment BOV on the Powermax
How do these compare to the BNR's
Not even a comparison, if You have the $$ get a BNR
Quality-wise, the Garrett is better and more complete. But it doesn't make the same power as the BNR turbos available.
@@EdgeAutosport I just want to avoid the entire EWG deal... I know the BNR is a journal Turbo, just wondering what the draw backs are if any and what is your overall thought of the quality of the BNR's?
How much milage drop off if any? Since your keeping all your low end torque it shouldn’t be any worse if u keep your foot outta it?
this video is making me consider modding my st before i just up and sell it not gonna lie
We've modified a lot of newer platforms around here and the ST is a great foundation of a platform to mod. It's easy to make power and the motor handles a good deal. It's a great car to mod.
@@EdgeAutosport have you ever tuned a setup that was running the cobb stage 3 power package with the 2867 turbo? thats the setup i want to go for but i havent seen anyone run it yet and im hesitate
1k for the turbo... 1 year later, its 1250! ... gotta love inflation
Got mine last year.
Wait til black Friday. Some companies put the powermax on a helluva sale!
Last year's sale they dropped them down in the $$700-800 range roughly 😉
Catless downpipe is a must idc what you say! Put one on and make a pull.
Don't know if you can help I have bought the Garrett p Max for my focus ST mk3 just wondering if you what recic valve I will go in it thanks
How much power is left on the table with the stock dp compared to catless or high flow cat? 391 ft lbs on the stock clutch?
Probably ~10-15whp and similar wtq
That remains to be seen at least for us, but I'd say the other comment is about right. Maybe 10-15 hp. It may require a catback to get that much too. We'll probably figure that out at some point.
@@EdgeAutosport it’s got another 20-25whp “total” left in it with a good DP and full intake
After that you better get a bigger turbo lol
I have a focus st 17, what typebof turbo recommended (big turbo) and intercooler choice? Which one is best for the vehicle ?
Would step colder plugs be a given for this setup? Seems a really good budget upgrade for the money
It would be a good idea to get a step colder
Will this fit a 2016 fusion 2.0?
I have been waiting a long time for this review! I’m really curious/anxious to see what it can do with full bolt ons I.E: intercooler, charges pipes, t/b and intake spacer, catless down pipe and 3” back ext.. with e30 tune.
Think FBO + E30 will hit over 330whp at sea level?
Can’t wait for the updates!
spacers do nothing unless you have aux fuel or water/meth
Will the car run and drive with these mods but without a tune or do i NEED a tune?
You NEED the tune. Driving without a tune after upgrading the turbo will damage the turbo and potentially the engine.
@EdgeAutosport ok thanks
So you CAN run a hybrid type turbo with stock dp and see nice gains. Good to know
Hi Edge. What are your thoughts on the gtx2860 vs EFR 6758 shooting for the 375-400rwhp in this type of application?
Can this turbo and intercooler work for the ford explorer 2.0 4 cylinder?
So for performance wise what would you say is the best inter cooler is?
Did boost taper off higher in the higher rev range then the stock turbo?
It holds boost better than stock turbo but have to keep it in check as it doesn’t like to run a lot of boost up top on the tiny hot side.
dumb question, but Im about to pull the trigger on the garrett-powermax-turbocharger, and I noticed you didn't drain any fluids from the car despite needing to disconnect all of the lines from the turbo. Did I just miss something, or is it really just that easy?
That got missed in the edit. We didn’t drain the oil, but we did end up draining and refilling the coolant.
Whats the easiest way to take out oem turbo? i assumed you drained the oil and coolant first? putting mine is tomorrow need hellp
There is no short answer for this, friend - it is best to drain coolant and oil before this big job though
The amount of torgue. I have just swapped the airbox and filter and a mild tune with COBB accerort. Next thing is a intercooler and exhaust at some point.
Hey Alan, when you installed the Garrett powermax intercooler were you able to keep the lower grill intercooler plastic shroud? I would like to retain that shroud to keep direct air flow to the core.
I think he kept it off. But if it makes you feel better I removed mine and haven’t had any issues at all. Oil doesn’t get hotter than it did with the shroud on, coolant temps are great, my intercooler stays at ambient maybe 5 degrees over on few wot pulls.
And it looks awesome without it on lol.
Due to the shape of most aftermarket intercoolers, you are unable to keep the shroud. There are two intercoolers you can use that will let you keep the shroud but they cost an arm and a leg. I'm using DnR 3.5" intercooler and like Dan said above, all temps stay down. No irregularities seen on Accessport. Other mods I have done are Turbosmart dual port bov, Injen cai, Cobb rear motor mount and air filter, Stop Tech drilled and slotted front and rear, resonator and simposer delete. Full 2.5" exhaust to stock mufler and this turbo will be my last power mods next year.
How does the BWS compare for power and reliability to the Powermax? My turbo is going out and I don't need a big turbo......yet. lol
Another fire video!!
Ya mamalo
Do you suspect that the ST will always need the RS actuator and the 90 degree banjo fitting? Hypothetically what will happen if I just bought the turbo without those parts?
It's been a while since I watched this video, but I'm now looking to upgrade to the PowerMax soon.
powermax comes complete with actuator, DV, and all vacuum lines and solenoid. FYI, the DV is spec for the focus RS
@@TrashAnyway Really? That's awesome, thanks for letting me know. I'm buying one for the Spring season. Assuming you've got one on your ST, is there anything else I should know?
@@RthereNEusernames Mine is on a Fusion Titanium. Get your tune ahead of time, and DEFINITELY get a bigger intercooler. Make sure you replace the oil return line and get 2 sets of crush washers for the other oil/coolant lines. Also, if you live in a state where rust is a problem, have a v-band clamp for the downpipe ready just in case.
@@TrashAnyway Thanks for the reply. I've got an aftermarket FMIC already. Will I for sure need those things on the ST though?
@@RthereNEusernames You never wan to reuse the gaskets on the oil/coolant lines. And the oil return line should be replaced as a precaution because of the construction.
My 2018 ST is FBO with stock turbo. I love it but I want a little more. I've avoided the 2867r because of the cost and because it is my daily driver and I just want long term reliable power that is more than stock but not sacrifice daily drivability. My question is, would you recommend this turbo over the 2860 in terms of reliability? I put a lot of miles on it so I'm afraid a "big turbo" will wear my engine faster, but this powermax seems like a good compromise.
I was one of the first people to install a Powermax on my car, I'm at about 4,000 miles so far. I'm putting trust in the Garrett name that it will last a long time, as my car is also my daily.
That being said, this turbo does hit hard in the midrange and therefore actually may be harder on internals than the 2860. I wanted the stock-like spool which is why i went with the PM. But the 2860 gen 2 will be capable of much more power.
@@GTkyle thank you! That answered a lot of my questions. I’m only at 65,000 miles so I think my engine can last a good while longer. I didn’t consider the torque being higher maybe hurting internals. Does it carry the power further into the rpm’s over stock as well? I hate how gutless stock turbo is after like 4K rpm’s.
@@UncleBruce97 the torque of an actual big turbo comes in more smoothly and therefore is easier on engine internals and driveline, so the 2860 should in theory be easier on the engine as long as you arent aggressive with boost and timing.
The Powermax power curve is very Similar to stock. It might hang a couple hundred rpm higher but the hot side is still restrictive like the stock K03 so it behaves similarly, just makes way more power. I would shift around 5500rpm on the stock turbo, i shift around 6000rpm with the powermax, just off seat feel.
Also, while im talking about this. This turbo will absolutely carry 20+psi to 6500, However, it creates so much heat that its hard to throw any timing at it. So what we ended up doing was tapering boost off above 5000rpm which allowed a lot more ignition timing to be added and actually picked up a lot of power in doing so. Alan tapered it to 16psi at 6500rpm on my 93 tune and 18psi on my e30 tune. Otherwise it peaks at 24, carries 21 to 22, throughout the midrange, then is tapered after 5000rpm. This is crucial.
@@GTkyle what kind of power would a FBO, E30, sea level (southern Texas) ST make? I feel like those high altitude figures are far off the potential since the air density is a problem. I’ve seen FBO+ E30 JST tunes hit 300whp/430+ftlbs.. I’m pretty sure I’m in that range considering how much I’ve pulled on modded STi’s, 370z’s, M3’s, etc.. and I’m on the factory K03.
If I feel I’m lacking on top end, I think with a simple turbo swap and tune, I’d be happy with 350-370whp without touching a single other component if it’s achievable.
@@dham99 depends on the weather, honestly. South texas is hot and humid. Ive heard of people hitting 300whp and high 300s torque with the stock turbo on e30, aggressive tune, low altitude, and good weather. Maybe in the winter time on a cool or cold day you make that kind of power, but not that torque.
Yes a simple turbo swap and retunewill get you 350 whp and 380ish tq. If you never plan to run aux fuel, id run the gtx2860r gen 2, otherwise if you do plan to run it eventually, get the gtx2867 gen 2.
Edge has a great video on the 2860, its a potent turbo for stock fuel system.
FYI: The DV on the Garrett PowerMax is also spec for the Focus RS.
I’m ready for pt 2 lol
What you recommend this stage 1 upgrade or hybrid?? I know BT is better but it’s an extra 3k to go bt with intercooler tune and etc
Love the content man, very awesome video and super knowledgeable. Love my 93 tune from y'all❤️
Awesome! Thank you!
Does anyone know a video that shows the rest of the install that was cut off?
Sorry we don't do "How-To" videos, there are lots of other people who do tho!
@edgeauto who can I get in contact with regarding getting a tune for the powermax that I bought from you folks
2016 focus ST
@TMTMS3
tuning@edgeautosport.com if you have specific tuning inquiries! Otherwise, you can purchase an etune on the site and you'll get a reply from us pretty quickly.
edgeautosport.com/edge-autosport-etune-ford-focus-st-2013-2018-focus-rs-2016-2018/
Why install the OEM downpipe??
Pretty neat little turbo but for me if you're gonna upgrade and go through all that hassle get something that's gonna give you more power. Gtx2860r at the minimum. For me the powermax falls in the same category (power-wise) as a hybrid turbo and I've never been keen on those. If you're gonna send it don't do a half-send.
I agree if you are planning to make mid to upper 300's for power. But if you are just wanting a 300hp stock turbo setup, the power max is the way to go. Yes, you have to change out the turbo, but it isn't too much more difficult to do that over changing the downpipe. For the money, an intercooler and the Pmax is cheaper than all the other bolt-ons necessary to get to 300whp on stock turbo and you aren't pushing the turbo as hard so it is a more reliable 300whp also. Basically, its not really an upgraded turbo, its what the stock turbo should have been.
@@TMTMS3 yeah that's true.. Definitely the right turbo for someone who will be content with 300 wheel-hp.. I was sitting at around 260 whp before you sold me the gtx2867r and I'm glad I went that route because 300 wouldn't have done it for me lol.. Next Is HPFP and injectors then I'll be content maybe.. Thanks again for the great content, it's much appreciated in the community.
Gtx2860 is an excellent choice
Hey… I’m glad to have found you online . I have a Ford Focus st 2021. Are you able to outline the upgrade specs you have just done as I am keen to do some upgrades to mine if those products also work well with a focus st 2021 model ?
Thanks !!
We don't have the new generation STs over in the USA sadly
turbo model ?
290 hp at 16 psi ?
Kinda wanna try this over the GTX2670 now. Plus I’m impatient to save up $2k lol
I’m torn. 400 hp would be fun. I’m assuming the spool time on the GTmax is pretty spot on from the oem factory turbo?
It acts like a stock turbo. Very fast spool and good mid range. Power and torque just elevate a little bit more than stock turbo.
Just understand it's not comparable to 400hp though. That's a different animal compared to this.
@@EdgeAutosport I think I’m gonna try the power max, if I want/need more I’ll just save up and get the bigger GTX option. Thanks for doing this video! Expect a purchase in the near future...if still available.
thx you so much for the video
Next mod 🤙🏽
The OEM intercooler sucks ass on my Velo N too.
Went with a Wagner FMIC.
In a couple months I’m putting in a GTX2867 (44mm tial wg), meth.
Backup from garret of course
Looking to get a FMIC for my FoST but i dont have a cobb AP. Would you recommend the AP first or FMIC first?
The COBB Accessport should be one of your first mods, even the Stage 1 maps are an improvement over stock. Plus you can then read codes, engine data, and get custom tuned to get the best from a FMIC later
@@EdgeAutosport sweet thanks for the help!
What wheels are they?
Does the intercooler add any horsepower?
Not immediately after bolting it on, but a good intercooler will allow a tuner to get more HP from your setup, most likely.
i have
Garrett powermax turbo + Turbosmart IWG75 Wastegate Actuator Ford Focus RS
Downpipe de-cat(AWE) 3 inch
Exhaust (AWE) 3inch
Garrett intercooler
Cold intake
Cobb accessport v3
if i have custom map
100-200 km how time ????
Maybe 12.5 sec
What would just an intercooler + tune do for numbers?
My stock turbo has a leak and I am thinking about replacing it with this one because it is affordable and my car does not have mods to support a bigger turbo. Does this turbo require a tune? I do not have an access port and I am unsure if I would be able to afford to make that purchase along with the Turbo.
Did you ever find an answer to this question? I'm in the same boat. I need to replace the stock turbo and heard this was a better replacement, but don't want to pay for a tune, intercooler upgrade, etc right now.
@@nickp8062 unfortunately I got no answer. I ended up buying a stock one
@@jpeep5200, thanks for the reply, I'll probably go the same route.
What type of bearings are in that garret max turbo
It's a journal bearing
Would you guys be able to do a video on the new Garret G series like the g25-550 and 660. I'm really curious how those pair up next to the infamous 2867 considering they spool so early yet offer so much more
That's a real possibility
@@EdgeAutosport Awesome, I'm very interested in the 550 inparticular there's is pretty much 0 coverage on either of the turbos. Seems like they would be a much more practical future proof turbo compared to many other options on the market. Thanks hope's to see it
I have a 2017 focus st, does the upgraded intercooler make the car run smoother
Yeah. I have a 17 ST as well and got a CAI, Intercooler, and tune and it feels incredible.
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Where can I buy a tune for the power max turbo?? Please help. I have an access port.
We offer custom e-tuning services, head over to our store and select you car to get started: edgeautosport.com/shop?search_query=etune
So that intercooler just bolts up to the stock piping
correct!
@@EdgeAutosport thank you!
@@EdgeAutosport another question, did the Denso 5341 plugs fit the car? Sorry for asking but says online that they don’t fit…
I have a 2016 focus st
These 3 plugs are Denso plugs for your car: edgeautosport.com/shop?search_query=denso+spark+focus
Can you link the banjo part# ? Thanks! And amazing video! Been looking for a turbo upgrade and these are definitely an option!!!
Lol I just had to overnight a banjo for mine last night
Just updated description. Didn't realize it wasn't completed.
Same wheels and tires i use at the strip also. Work great as drag tires
bonjour un test avec un décat et un catback pour voir de combien est le gain de puissance
Any idea what numbers the car would push at sea level on 91/93 oct? Possible to get to 300 without ethanol?
With an aggressive tune it will do 300 horse 400tq full bolt on near sea level on 93 octane.
Do you think this turbo can make 350 wheel at sea level?
That would be a stretch, we think, but you should be over 300 with a similar setup to ours!
Isnt this just a rs turbo ?
I need opinions on this turbo cuz people are telling me in forums and a group I’m in on Facebook that this turbo sucks cuz it gets too hot, and it’ll mess the engine up. How is that so? I have a bad turbo in my ‘16 ST and want to replace it and I was thinking about this turbo to have at least 300 hp nothing more or less on 93 octane. I don’t want to do anything crazy I just want 300 hp for my car that’s it for as long as I have the car. Please help!!!!!!
We love this turbo for an OEM+ build! Its got plenty of spool for daily driving, and when paired with full bolt-ons, you can expect to top out around 300hp/400tq. Turbochargers get extra hot when pushed near their efficiency limit, so if you want AT LEAST 300hp, you should consider a GTX2860 or 2867 perhaps. But make sure to watch the rest of the ST videos on our channel and subscribe to stay up-to-date! And as always, feel free to give our shop a call, we take pride in our customer service, and can help find the right turbo and mods for your build goals.
Anyway to add that turbo and keep the car California carb legal
What’s the wheel and tire setup on this car?
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Nice!!!!!