ONCE AGAIN YALL KNOW WHAT IM HERE TO SAY. Alan, and Edge, is showing us why he’s known as the best in the business. I have a 2860rs on my Focus ST and have been tuned by Alan for over a year with ZERO issues. Countless track days and auto-crosses! If you want more power, stock spool, AND reliability, this is the best option on the market There is no price on peace of mind, and Edge ALWAYS delivers Kudos boys! 💯💯💯💯
What kind of numbers are you making with that turbo compared to this gtx2860 gen 2. Do you have FBO? External or internal wastegate? Are you running wmi? I'm really interested in this turbo, the gt2860rs you have, the gtx2863r and the bnr2867... Im undecided at the moment. Thanks man.
I'm looking to daily the car and track it maybe 3 times a year. Closed circuit. Not a drag strip. Maybe autocross. Not sure yet. I have FBO stage 3 with cobb ap. Thinking of wmi as well as the turbo. To give you an idea of what I'm thinking.
@@keithr5591 I have the 2860rs....new one is 2860r (gtx) ... 2863r got replaced by the gen2 2860.... the BNR is a great option for the money however there were some fitment issues with the early models however I think they are past that now. You honestly can’t go wrong with either turbo. The BNR will make more power. How ever it’s a journal bearing. So if that matters to you get the Garret. Also, the BNR hasn’t been tested on track on this platform Anyway, I autox and track my car 2-3 times a month for the last year and a half with Alan’s tune. It’s flawless and he’s thorough af. Super responsive guy who pays attention to the details and still checks up on customers I check my spark plugs like every month and they are always flawless. I do a compression test about 2x a year and it’s flawless. I have 100k on this motor
@@club.alfagt that is my concern... I have a '16 ST1 I bought brand new, sitting at 132k now stock block & stock clutch. FBO at the moment and was wondering if I should upgrade my block before going with a larger turbo. I don't want to spend extra on an EWG setup and looking to make around 400whp
I really enjoy learning about the platform and also seeing customer cars on the dyno. I think showing all the different paths you can go really helps the consumer no matter what step in the aftermarket journey they are on.
I'm lucky enough to have two of my grandsons living in the house with me, my wife, and their parents. One loves math, one loves tools. They're 5 and 3, they watch your videos like they're Disney movies. Thanks for helping make them gearheads, great stuff.
@@bacchusthompson5834 if you’re going to stay stock fuel system on the stock motor then yes absolutely 3071r is for a built engine with more than what our stock fuel system has to offer You COULD do it....but SHOULD you? Tbh, if you want worry free performance, get the 2860
The gen 2 version of this is an ideal street turbo for a 2.0-2.5l engine. You won’t be winning any standing mile roll races but the trade off is near instant spool that hits hard.
What kind of numbers are you making with that turbo compared to this gtx2860. I'm looking at the gt860. Do you have FBO? External or internal wastegate? Are you running wmi? I'm really interested in this turbo, gtx2863r and the bnr2867... Im undecided at the moment. Thanks man.
@@keithr5591 I got this turbo because it was a steal! And I think it was 100% worth it! That gtx tho can limit you to 400 but at my current power I gave my buddies 5.0 a run for his money at higher speeds
Awesome bro thanks for the info. I'm Ralf considering the gt2860rs because it's at least $200 cheaper than the gtx2860 and if it's making similar numbers and spool as well than I'll be more than happy. I'm not doing aux port fuel. The most I'll do is wmi and for that I rather stay with the quick spool and push hopefully 330-380
I would love to see this compared to a BNR67. It appears as if BNR mixes new and old gen technology to keep costs down? I know you've done a couple BNR videos, but I'd like to learn more in detail. Furthermore, I would love to learn about knock vs ignition corrections and why sometimes knock can be seen with no to minimal corrections and how you as a tuner would address things like that.
Nice work, Alan: hope to come up and see you someday for a similar setup. Stock charge pipes gives me questions... Catted 200 cell or catless downpipe? 2.5" or 3" exhaust? Power difference with external wastegate? Thanks and take care!
I am looking to do some simple tuning on the stock ST. Would you avoid a higher mileage car? I found a 16 ST that was used as a fleet vehicle with 111k miles, serviced regularly as well as gps monitored for speed from the company for a great deal. Would you avoid that type of car for stock tuning and daily driver? I want to park my f150 most the time.
Could you realistically expect 100k miles of reliable daily driven miles out of one of these turbos on the stock block with RS injectors/ or stock injectors, or do you need a completely stock car if you want that kind of reliability out of a Focus ST?
100k is a lot, but not impossible. There are so many variables, and assuming your maintenance schedule is perfect, you could do it, but not if you are driving it hard. So if you aren't going to drive it hard, why upgrade?
My GTX2867R (.64A/R) is hitting about 14 psi at 3k rpm, and peak boost of 27 psi at 3.5k .. holds roughly 24-25 psi till redline. Sound about right to you guys? PS I'm gonna try out a 93 e-tune from you guys soon.
This is sweet. What would the reliability of the engine look like? I'm hesitant on upgrading the turbo on my ST because it is my daily driver and I don't want to over do it and cause any failures.
The real question is are you full bolt in yet with tunes because you can get like 300 hp out of stock turbo with the right supporting mods. And most will be needed for big turbo anyway
You’re more likely to throw a rod through the block using the stock turbo especially on ethanol. A higher flowing turbo will move your powerband to higher rpm where it would have less stress on the engine and still make more power in the end
What spring would you recommend I go with for my tial Q 50mm bov via a natural vacuum source (map tap or symposer delete)? I'll be running the gtx2860r gen 2 .64 along with FBO... cobb intake, cobb fmic and charge pipes, mbrp catted DP, and ford performance exhaust. Also running 2 catch cans and 1 step colder ngk plugs if that matters. Also will be running water meth with injector port on the cold charge pipe right before TB. Any ideas on what psi spring rate id be better off running until I get a good idle reading after all is installed? I appreciate any input thanks. And great video. It helped me chose what turbo to run. Keep up the great work.
I actually don't think I've tuned a 6258. I've tuned plenty of 6758's and this spools about 200 to 400 rpm sooner. I would imagine the 6258 would be very comparable to this! Just make sure you get the Turbosmart actuator for it if you go that route.
Its been a few months since this video but ill have you know i run 27-28PSI on a 3071r on that stock hotside and its held on by 3 clamps LOL but she stays on :D
Hello friend, if I install this turbo with the new garret intercooler, do I have to make any additional modifications? How does it affect lag and consumption in rational driving? Thanks greetings.
Yeah, it would be fine - you'll actually be surprised how much you can get out of that turbo on the stock fuel system. Naturally there will be even more to get from more mods though!
Correct, and then you have two ARs to choose from to tweak it further. Read up some more or feel free to give us a call if you'd like to get one on order: edgeautosport.com/atp-turbo-gtx2863r-bolt-on-turbo-kit-ford-focus-st-2013/
This looks like the route I'll go, and save the bigger turbo + aux fuel for a built engine in the future. That way I can throw aux fuel money at an LSD instead, because no one likes one tire friers.
@@nickrossol9801 I looked up videos of it and I don't know that it's as complicated as it is time consuming and it requires a few tools for things like measuring tolerances and removing race bearings that I currently don't have. Basically a big PITA. There's also needing to still get around while the car is down and rentals, if you can find one, are $$$.
Great informative video by the way! I already have my stock turbo full bolt on tune from you and I’m enjoying it. I’m ready for big turbo, just not sure if WMI is worth it to get the octane higher? Thank you!
Currently looking into doing this but I’m at 100k miles and don’t want to blow my engine lol. Would I be safe doing this or would I be better off going with a Powermax?
The more power you push, the shorter the lifespan of the engine. The Powermax will last longer, and then when it does finally go, new block and 2860 time.
This car does not have aux fuel. But we can definitely tune aux fuel if you're interested in Alan tuning your car! Let us know if you have any questions. There is a listing on the site for an etune if you want to know more. - edgeautosport.com/edge-autosport-etune-ford-focus-st-2013-2018-focus-rs-2016-2018/
Hi Alan, great job man. I see you were pulling like 335hp on 91oct. What about on 93oct. How much hp more or less do you think it will pull? I was thinking on gtx2867 gen 2, after this video I think you convince me on 2860 because I'm planning on running on fuel pump, no e30 or else. I use my car on daily driver, and I'm looking to get like 375hp. What do you think?
Your not gonna be making much more than the 91 octane made. The e30 makes a big difference. Im on the stock turbo currently on e30. On 93 octane you'll make 270 hp and 350 tq. Add ethanol and you get a big boost in power to 292 hp and 388 wtq with a jst custom e30 tune. You'll probably only make around 5 maybe 10 more hp than 91 octane
j'ai le turbo x37 pumaspeed alan ma réglé la voiture avec un e tune sur full e85 , avec mon encien map 102ron pumaspeed j'avais 374cv 554nm 334cv roues 514nm roues , je n'ai pas encore fais un dyno test pour voir si avec le e tune e85 avec la pompe et les injecteurs xdi avec un gros boost et une avance à l'allumage augmentée je sort plus de puissance. le turbo gtx2860 m'intéresse si une puissance de 450cv roues est possible sur e85
I want to have this guy tune my ST!Whats the turn around time for an etune from him? I know they are quite busy this time of year just a rough idea for Alan to grace my ST
ONCE AGAIN YALL KNOW WHAT IM HERE TO SAY.
Alan, and Edge, is showing us why he’s known as the best in the business.
I have a 2860rs on my Focus ST and have been tuned by Alan for over a year with ZERO issues. Countless track days and auto-crosses!
If you want more power, stock spool, AND reliability, this is the best option on the market
There is no price on peace of mind, and Edge ALWAYS delivers
Kudos boys! 💯💯💯💯
What kind of numbers are you making with that turbo compared to this gtx2860 gen 2. Do you have FBO? External or internal wastegate? Are you running wmi? I'm really interested in this turbo, the gt2860rs you have, the gtx2863r and the bnr2867... Im undecided at the moment. Thanks man.
I'm looking to daily the car and track it maybe 3 times a year. Closed circuit. Not a drag strip. Maybe autocross. Not sure yet. I have FBO stage 3 with cobb ap. Thinking of wmi as well as the turbo. To give you an idea of what I'm thinking.
@@keithr5591 I have the 2860rs....new one is 2860r (gtx) ... 2863r got replaced by the gen2 2860.... the BNR is a great option for the money however there were some fitment issues with the early models however I think they are past that now. You honestly can’t go wrong with either turbo. The BNR will make more power. How ever it’s a journal bearing. So if that matters to you get the Garret. Also, the BNR hasn’t been tested on track on this platform
Anyway, I autox and track my car 2-3 times a month for the last year and a half with Alan’s tune. It’s flawless and he’s thorough af. Super responsive guy who pays attention to the details and still checks up on customers
I check my spark plugs like every month and they are always flawless. I do a compression test about 2x a year and it’s flawless. I have 100k on this motor
@@club.alfagt that is my concern... I have a '16 ST1 I bought brand new, sitting at 132k now stock block & stock clutch. FBO at the moment and was wondering if I should upgrade my block before going with a larger turbo. I don't want to spend extra on an EWG setup and looking to make around 400whp
@@bacchusthompson5834 a 2860 won’t get you 400whp
And neither will a stock block, reliably.
Build it, boost it, run it.
I really enjoy learning about the platform and also seeing customer cars on the dyno. I think showing all the different paths you can go really helps the consumer no matter what step in the aftermarket journey they are on.
I'm lucky enough to have two of my grandsons living in the house with me, my wife, and their parents. One loves math, one loves tools. They're 5 and 3, they watch your videos like they're Disney movies. Thanks for helping make them gearheads, great stuff.
Im actually extremely impressed by this turbo
Alan is etuning my car right now and I can't wait to feel this rs come to life
Do you still have a bone stock engine? Im asking, bc you might wanna read about the head gasket issue due to the bad engine design.
@@richardlapoint1845 it's already been done
@@dustinmccollister3547 nice. You build a stroker?
This sounds like the perfect turbo for me and my 2013 focus st. Great job Alan..
It is. I have it on mine and I’m tuned by Alan
@@club.alfagt is it your daily driver?
@@club.alfagt would you recommend this over the BNR 3071
@@bacchusthompson5834 if you’re going to stay stock fuel system on the stock motor then yes absolutely
3071r is for a built engine with more than what our stock fuel system has to offer
You COULD do it....but SHOULD you? Tbh, if you want worry free performance, get the 2860
Buy. 2867 if your not building your engine. Add aux fuel if you want 400+. 3071 If your building. 2860 is really a waste of your own time
Watching these videos really solidifies my choice of tuning with Edge when I get the big turbo on my car 😤
The gen 2 version of this is an ideal street turbo for a 2.0-2.5l engine. You won’t be winning any standing mile roll races but the trade off is near instant spool that hits hard.
Thanks for the video Love the content I would like to see the GTX 2863R
A gen 2 2860 has better performance but is similar
my ej207 with GT28/60 big air in big air out = 98 octane 330 hp at the wheels ! all i need for street .
Brilliant content as usually. Very informative and enlightening!
This sounds like the turbo ill be after. Good fun car nothing too crazy.
We love to see it 🤩
🤙🤙🤙 still running strong thanks to Alan on my GT2860!!!
What kind of numbers are you making with that turbo compared to this gtx2860. I'm looking at the gt860. Do you have FBO? External or internal wastegate? Are you running wmi? I'm really interested in this turbo, gtx2863r and the bnr2867... Im undecided at the moment. Thanks man.
@@keithr5591 fbo internal waste gate and car dyno’ at 347-351 on e30 so 91 I’m thinking 330
@@keithr5591 I got this turbo because it was a steal! And I think it was 100% worth it! That gtx tho can limit you to 400 but at my current power I gave my buddies 5.0 a run for his money at higher speeds
Awesome bro thanks for the info. I'm Ralf considering the gt2860rs because it's at least $200 cheaper than the gtx2860 and if it's making similar numbers and spool as well than I'll be more than happy. I'm not doing aux port fuel. The most I'll do is wmi and for that I rather stay with the quick spool and push hopefully 330-380
we NEED a g25-660 EWG 4 Port aux tune video, im so interested what this turbo is going to put down and very little dyno info!! :)
At most I’ll do 600 hp but the people that have ran them only got to around 570
Currently stratified tuned . After seeing this video I want to do business with you man , it seems like you know a lot about the car 👍🏾
Great job Alan.
Another great video! Which A/R was this turbo using? I’m wondering how the .86 would perform...
Can’t wait to hook up with you for my car. Parts should be here Monday 🤞🏼🤞🏼
Charles, sounds like you owe the team breakfast ;) lol
I need to get my project Jellybean out to you guys for a tune this summer.
I am also concerned about high performance water temperatures in summer especially.
Is this the .64 or .86 version of the turbo?
.64 for the quick spool
Did that car have a .64 ar or the .86 ar housing?
It has a .64 a/r
I would love to see this compared to a BNR67. It appears as if BNR mixes new and old gen technology to keep costs down? I know you've done a couple BNR videos, but I'd like to learn more in detail. Furthermore, I would love to learn about knock vs ignition corrections and why sometimes knock can be seen with no to minimal corrections and how you as a tuner would address things like that.
what size housing was this guy running? .64 or .86?
I would like to know this too pls!
Nice work, Alan: hope to come up and see you someday for a similar setup.
Stock charge pipes gives me questions...
Catted 200 cell or catless downpipe? 2.5" or 3" exhaust?
Power difference with external wastegate?
Thanks and take care!
Awesome! This is my daily and the turbo sounds perfect for it! Question tho... what would be a good clutch upgrade to handle it?
I am looking to do some simple tuning on the stock ST. Would you avoid a higher mileage car? I found a 16 ST that was used as a fleet vehicle with 111k miles, serviced regularly as well as gps monitored for speed from the company for a great deal. Would you avoid that type of car for stock tuning and daily driver? I want to park my f150 most the time.
Could you realistically expect 100k miles of reliable daily driven miles out of one of these turbos on the stock block with RS injectors/ or stock injectors, or do you need a completely stock car if you want that kind of reliability out of a Focus ST?
100k is a lot, but not impossible. There are so many variables, and assuming your maintenance schedule is perfect, you could do it, but not if you are driving it hard. So if you aren't going to drive it hard, why upgrade?
My GTX2867R (.64A/R) is hitting about 14 psi at 3k rpm, and peak boost of 27 psi at 3.5k .. holds roughly 24-25 psi till redline. Sound about right to you guys? PS I'm gonna try out a 93 e-tune from you guys soon.
What engine size?
@@marion1600 2.0
Mines hitting 29 and sometimes 30 psi with no aux fuel. Feel like that's too much though.
@@sategllib2191 you tuned with JST?
@@tyquanwashington.8510 yes
This is sweet. What would the reliability of the engine look like? I'm hesitant on upgrading the turbo on my ST because it is my daily driver and I don't want to over do it and cause any failures.
Get tuned by Alan. Drive responsibly. Keep up with maintenance. It'll be very reliable.
The gtx2860 turbo is very realiable I have almost 60k on it on my car. Just keep up with your oil changes and run water lines on it.
The real question is are you full bolt in yet with tunes because you can get like 300 hp out of stock turbo with the right supporting mods. And most will be needed for big turbo anyway
You’re more likely to throw a rod through the block using the stock turbo especially on ethanol. A higher flowing turbo will move your powerband to higher rpm where it would have less stress on the engine and still make more power in the end
Nice love the info
this es the best yurbo ford duratec . You sell turbos ?
What spring would you recommend I go with for my tial Q 50mm bov via a natural vacuum source (map tap or symposer delete)? I'll be running the gtx2860r gen 2 .64 along with FBO... cobb intake, cobb fmic and charge pipes, mbrp catted DP, and ford performance exhaust. Also running 2 catch cans and 1 step colder ngk plugs if that matters. Also will be running water meth with injector port on the cold charge pipe right before TB. Any ideas on what psi spring rate id be better off running until I get a good idle reading after all is installed? I appreciate any input thanks. And great video. It helped me chose what turbo to run. Keep up the great work.
@Alan Jackson how does this compare with the EFR 6258, have you tuned any of them to compare?
I actually don't think I've tuned a 6258. I've tuned plenty of 6758's and this spools about 200 to 400 rpm sooner. I would imagine the 6258 would be very comparable to this! Just make sure you get the Turbosmart actuator for it if you go that route.
What kind of internals on this car? Seems like the torque would rip this little engine apart sooner than later
Stock engine.
@@EdgeAutosport Thanks for that information!
Algorithm enhancer. 👍
Its been a few months since this video but ill have you know i run 27-28PSI on a 3071r on that stock hotside and its held on by 3 clamps LOL but she stays on :D
Hello friend, if I install this turbo with the new garret intercooler, do I have to make any additional modifications? How does it affect lag and consumption in rational driving? Thanks greetings.
Do they still call this turbo the disco potato? That one was a gt2860rs I think a while ago
Probably because it is about the size of a human fist or a large potato...
Love your content. Would your tunes be suitable for Australian delivered cars?
Is it possible to run full e85 on a tune with the St
Would love to see some videos on a g25-550/660 if possible
We haven't done a long video, but if you follow our IG: We just dyno tuned a G25-660 to 450hp on e50 aux fuel
Is this the ATP kit with internal wastegate?
Um can I run this turbo with nothing but an intercooler ?
Yeah, it would be fine - you'll actually be surprised how much you can get out of that turbo on the stock fuel system. Naturally there will be even more to get from more mods though!
Stock transmission/clutch?
Would the 2863 be a good in-between option of the spool of 2860 and the power of 2867
Correct, and then you have two ARs to choose from to tweak it further. Read up some more or feel free to give us a call if you'd like to get one on order: edgeautosport.com/atp-turbo-gtx2863r-bolt-on-turbo-kit-ford-focus-st-2013/
This looks like the route I'll go, and save the bigger turbo + aux fuel for a built engine in the future. That way I can throw aux fuel money at an LSD instead, because no one likes one tire friers.
Exactly what im thinking. Did you get the turbo installed yet?
@@nickrossol9801 Not yet. I've got an MFactory LSD and a new clutch sitting in boxes while I decide if I want to tackle the install myself or not.
@@nbm02ss I feel ya on the procrastination there haha. Is the lsd a complicated install?
@@nickrossol9801 I looked up videos of it and I don't know that it's as complicated as it is time consuming and it requires a few tools for things like measuring tolerances and removing race bearings that I currently don't have. Basically a big PITA. There's also needing to still get around while the car is down and rentals, if you can find one, are $$$.
How does this turbo compare to the bnr 3071?
So I only have 91 pump available in my area. Would a WMI be my best bet to get about the same gains?
Great informative video by the way! I already have my stock turbo full bolt on tune from you and I’m enjoying it. I’m ready for big turbo, just not sure if WMI is worth it to get the octane higher? Thank you!
Currently looking into doing this but I’m at 100k miles and don’t want to blow my engine lol. Would I be safe doing this or would I be better off going with a Powermax?
The more power you push, the shorter the lifespan of the engine. The Powermax will last longer, and then when it does finally go, new block and 2860 time.
Where are u located I really wanna get a ST but I don’t know anything about tuning
We are located in Denver, but we can tune you anywhere in the world with an E-Tune
@@EdgeAutosport heck yea I’ll definitely get in touch when I get my focus
Why the back wheels spinning
It's a linked dyno
Phew! I am glad you answered that. For a while there, I thought somebody made an AWD FoST. AWD FosT - that is something I could get into.
Does this car have aux fuel? In looking for a different tuner for my Focus ST
This car does not have aux fuel. But we can definitely tune aux fuel if you're interested in Alan tuning your car! Let us know if you have any questions. There is a listing on the site for an etune if you want to know more. - edgeautosport.com/edge-autosport-etune-ford-focus-st-2013-2018-focus-rs-2016-2018/
when we getting that merch
Hi Alan, great job man. I see you were pulling like 335hp on 91oct. What about on 93oct. How much hp more or less do you think it will pull? I was thinking on gtx2867 gen 2, after this video I think you convince me on 2860 because I'm planning on running on fuel pump, no e30 or else. I use my car on daily driver, and I'm looking to get like 375hp. What do you think?
Your not gonna be making much more than the 91 octane made. The e30 makes a big difference. Im on the stock turbo currently on e30. On 93 octane you'll make 270 hp and 350 tq. Add ethanol and you get a big boost in power to 292 hp and 388 wtq with a jst custom e30 tune. You'll probably only make around 5 maybe 10 more hp than 91 octane
Did he not make about 350 at 16:45 on 91?
j'ai le turbo x37 pumaspeed alan ma réglé la voiture avec un e tune sur full e85 , avec mon encien map 102ron pumaspeed j'avais 374cv 554nm 334cv roues 514nm roues , je n'ai pas encore fais un dyno test pour voir si avec le e tune e85 avec la pompe et les injecteurs xdi avec un gros boost et une avance à l'allumage augmentée je sort plus de puissance. le turbo gtx2860 m'intéresse si une puissance de 450cv roues est possible sur e85
I want to have this guy tune my ST!Whats the turn around time for an etune from him? I know they are quite busy this time of year just a rough idea for Alan to grace my ST
Response times are pretty quick. I can typically get out at least 2 revisions per day per customer.
@@TMTMS3 DUUUDE! Thanks for the response! Im getting my finances in order to get my gtx 2867r so im gonna hit you up soon enough! Happy tuning!
I want it, to bad ima broke college student. Stock turbo is meh
The right turbo for me. BTW, Lucy the ST, looks absolutely hideous. Yuk