Yes, I was thinking that. And I think it's deeper than just praise. It's the totality of the roller coaster it's been -- from the students shouting at him, to the Cathy Newman or that French kid "I'm gonna get you" interview, the sold out shows across the world, the letters of gratitude he keeps getting, to the health problems. I think that deep inside, he still has a profound sense of incredulity when individuals come to share deeply personal stories with him. It's these individuals who go through hell and emerge that give him something like hope or purpose.
Your dad crying like that just breaks my heart. Tell him there are so many of us who feel similar to Africa--what he's doing is so important and so many people are indebted to him. Love you guys.
I felt exactly the same. I am one of those people who is indebted to him. When I see him cry... I can't help but do the same because I'm so grateful... but I know what it cost him to help so many, including myself.
I loved when Dr. Peterson asked "What were you doing?" - Then Africa thinks about it .....spends time with his question .....then she has the courage to face the truth of her answer .....then more courageous still - she has the strength to share it: "I was performing." That was such a beautiful moment - and it says so much about her character. I loved this episode. Thoughtful people - being vulnerable and sharing. Just beautiful.
Agree. It's really great to see that with every question he asks she often takes a moment to seriously consider it and give a really good reply. A lot of respect to both the person asking the question and the one answering.
Ironic because "performing" is all Mikhaila Peterson seems to be doing, including performing some brand promotion, while pilfering time from these earnest guests doing their best to be authentic.
Makes me think of all the Chinese people 'crying' when Mao died, public outcry beyond any normal reaction to any death. It was a performance -- a lie of the Soul. Like puppets, controlling their own strings for the 'greater good'. You saw the same thing in Russia, and even in America not long ago when George died. People cried in public -- people who clearly did not care at all about him and did not know him, just politicians performing. Or, worse than performing: living the performance as if it were truly real. You saw this with 2016 when Trump won and lots of crazy women cried endlessly in public (some are shown on infamous video clips). That is not normal at all.
When JBP started crying i did too. Almost two years ago my ex broke up with me because I wanted to return to my christian faith and accused me of being a nazi, racist, bigot, etc. A few days and months before he was saying how he can't wait to marry me. This hurt and betrayal and brutal attack on who I am as a person was unlike anything I've ever experienced before. I'm still healing from it. It's awful. JBP is a hero. Thank you for another great episode Mikhaila. 💯💞
@@555Trout we really all did. For some reason (maybe because I don't read comics) I didn't think that had that much of an effect on him. I was very surprised and taken aback, I cried a lot. It's the first time I saw Dr. Peterson expressing that "feeling very wronged* and hurt" face. He usually cries for other people not himself. I wish we could heal him the way he healed us. *typo
I love how Jordan is so genuinely interested in what Africa is saying. He is giving a great example of what it truly means to listen to someone, and not simply waiting for your own chance to speak.
He’s following his own rule, “Listen to the speaker, as if your about to learn something valuable” paraphrased. He said most of us “Listen while thinking about our next response”. Paraphrased
I work with someone who simply doesn't listen to anything I say, always deflects, and everytime I say something he just waits until I stop to start talking. The worst part about it is that I will actually ask him: "Did you just wait until I stopped talking to start talking about whatever you were thinking about?" Yes, and I guess what you were saying wasn't interesting enough...
@Notya Don't be fooled by the fact that people aren't going to jump down your throat here in this thread. "We" still think you're a complete goofball, "we" just won't give you the reaction you were hoping for. And by "we" I just mean me.
@Notya I truly don’t know how you can tell that Jordan is not really listening ( I think that he is listening ), but I can certainly understand why you would think that is the case in that you refer to him as a charlatan. You are clearly not a fan.
As a Zimbabwean woman living in the west who had a very similar experience, this just warms my heart. Africa is so eloquent and has expressed most of my feelings much better than I ever could. I came to Canada for university from Zimbabwe and pursued a degree in political science - this is where my indoctrination into woke culture began. It was such a strange thing to me to think that because I'm black, and a woman, and an immigrant, that I'm oppressed and a victim of some sort. I embraced that thinking even though deep down inside it never felt right. I'm just so thankful that I was able to walk away from identity politics and mistruth, and even more thankful for people like Jordan and Africa that are brave enough to publicly speak their truth.
Let's not pretend you get the same praise as a white person when you do something or have achieved the highest success you can or that you're not disadvantaged
@@lynnd.5135 I guess if you're looking for praise and validation from others you might believe you fall short. As for myself, I continue to work hard and grow, while taking responsibility for my life and actions. I consider myself successful after all the effort I've put into school and work, and I'm really blessed to live here. The only true oppression I faced was when I lived in Zimbabwe under a tyrannical dictatorship (run by black people by the way).
@@lynnd.5135 I've experienced racism, and once I was even falsely arrested. However, like the original commenter, I've lived in places that really are dictatorial. So I'm grateful to be American. No country will ever be perfect; but here, I have the freedom which many people around the world can only dream of ever having.🤷🏾♀️
That wee lassie Africa Brooke is a delight, she is inspirational. I'd never heard of her before but the life lessons she shared in this video I found to be profound and I can't wait read her letter and find out more about her. It interesting that she's Zimbabwean because what I've noticed with Zimbabwean immigrants and their offspring here in Scotland and down south in England (I work in Edinburgh and in London) is they seem to be ambitious and want to get on. I don't know if we're attracting the cream of the Zimbabwean crop or if that's just a national characteristic but I know a lot who very successful in the financial services sector in Edinburgh and London. You sound like an amazing woman too @Mrs Potato and I wish you all the best.
This girl is just like me. I'm a Caribbean mixed chick who looks black. I never delved into the group ideology, but all my life I've had to resist other people's desires to put me into an inferior category based on what they perceived to be their good intentions. I think a lot of black people from Africa and the Caribbean feel this way and it is different from how western blacks seem to think. Just a few months ago, I was dragged on Twitter for having wrongthink. It's fascinating.
@J.A. Bristol based on the dragging I got for simply saying there are aspects of black American culture that weren't good, I'm not sure. But my fingers remain crossed.
@J.A. Bristol doubtful. She is as loved as she is hated, and most of the people who hate her are that 20%. The culture wars have to be won in America by people who don't see blacks as victims.
You should travel to the Netherlands. Haha were so honest to strangers and direct social groep. Tourist more often call us blunt and rude. If someone acts like Americans do, we call that fake and is unliked overall. We call it efficient communication. So you really know what ppl think of you or your opinion. And when something is up. You have the ability to change. Of course if you will. 🤣 but against higher rank, just smile and nod. Besides that,we have but still enough spineless creatures. You want to slap after they screw you over. Stupid hypocritical society. (FYI. I’m aware my English is bad. So no need to comment on it. Of course if you really want to. Please go ahead, that’s fine. All good).
To everyone: #1) get off ALL social media, unless absolutely necessary. #2) read more books and talk to a variety of people, especially those who differ from you. #3) work hard and eat clean #4) let's just wake up instead of being "woke" #5) find God and your soul, and do right by them.
Being "woke" is a misappropriation of black culture. Black folks say "stay woke". That doesn't mean adopt group identity culture and see yourself as part of a group. It means you need to keep a careful eye on a legitimate oppressor.
Oh yeah!? What are you doing here? She stated that listening to Jordan and Larry Elder helped her recover. Sleep a lot, eat a lot, brush 'em like crazy. Run a lot, do a lot, never be lazy. Sleep a lot, eat a lot, brush 'em like crazy. Run a lot, do a lot, never be lazy. (Beach Boys)
Every single time I've ever watched Jordan tear up, I ball like a little girl. He is so genuine and sincere. What a stupendous role model for all, but especially men.
@Notya Apparently they have if you go through a comment section trying to discredit a man with much more experience and knowledge than yourself with vague, snarky insults. You're just scared of him shaking the fragile foundation of your ego.
Incredible podcast. It's one thing to say "I got this wrong" but to go into the detail that Africa did and give examples of how it all made her feel when she realised where she'd gone wrong, deserves massive respect. Also, seeing JP tear up like that because of one person who he helped, when he's helped so many people, just shows how genuine his intentions are. He's had a huge impact on on my life in the last few years and I couldn't be more grateful for his work!
Im black, surrounded by both white and black people, we are not racist, we are treated pretty decently by the white people we know. I am brazilian living in The Netherlands. I am not a victim and so arent they….. Conversations like this one are crucial towards a genuine understanding shift. Thanks Mikhaila
My wife died recently (two years ago soon) . She was Brazilian too. Black as well . Or rather a typical Brazilian mix. I am white as they come. Not a problem to me. Biggest heart I've come across . Race and nationality has very little to do with that. Faith, family and friends has everything to do with it.
Heck I didnt know racism still existed until the age of 20-21 when I moved to the city for college. i had to be taught racism and I sometimes learned about certain kinds of racism only after being accused of it while just going about my daily business. It's an odd position to be in when people around you claim insistantly that they know what you think and that you think with ideas and views that aren't there and that dont exist in even an informal capacity in my psyche because I had never heard of it before. They decided and nothing I say or do could effect it. I wish I knew how to deal with those situations but it makes me really wonder just how much false racism exiats out there and what, if anything, can be done about it effectively so that a shift can actually manifest within a generation. I don't know but what I see and experience doesn't line up with the entire narrative that gets forced down my throat with any and all other opinions.only being definitely wrong and immediately falae. And nothing besides what im told I have to believe as truth, even about myself, is accepted. I don't know what to do with that...?
What a radiant human being. 💛 Reading Africa's letter and listening to her speak is like a healing balm for the culture war-torn heart. Folks like her give me such hope that we will find a way to transcend the current paradigm - neither trying to just run and hide back in an idealized past that's behind us, nor getting taken in by the siren song of totalitarianism in any form - and actually move forward in the spirit of empathy, respect and common sense.
This man cares, he cares so much that even at risk to his mental/physical health and financial well being he drives forward trying to bring truth and meaning to people in a way that only he can. Thank God for Jordan and his family as well. Who knows how many would still be lost without them. Amen. Thanks Mikhaila for making this interview happen and Africa for being so honest and thoughtful with your responses. Great Epidsode!
It's one of the lessons he teaches too. Speak the truth at every opportunity, and when everything else burns away, the truth is what stands against EVERYTHING ELSE.
I'm going to thank a God! With a few hundred thousand to chose from I took a short cut and invented one, no name for the entity yet, although I'm thinking Woker might be ideal. Thoughts?
They make a lot of money from this so I wouldn't go that far. Also I think he will be the first one to say that building "a cult" around a person is not something we should desire. Saying thank you is great but "fans" of Jordan Peterson are taking it too far.
@@ZuziFox Exactly. He's making money hand over fist and now his daughter is in on the gig (tho never sure what her contribution is besides starting at herself as if in awe of her transformation and asking facile questions). The way people are glorifying them is stupefying. Where's this headed? What a shitshow.
Nah seeing Jordan Peterson cry is literally just as bad as seeing my dad cry, the minute I saw I tear I was gone 😂 tears were ROLLING. Jordan’s advice has done a lot for helping me process childhood trauma as an adult and take on responsibility for so much of my BS. The way you guys turned that comic around is iconic!
You couldn't have said it better - watching Jordan tear up and cry is just as bad as seeing my dad cry. It is a humbling experience to see that even your dad cries. My Dad is 82 years old, and when he talks about leaving his property to us kids, and I thank him - his eyes water. And it breaks my heart to see so much love for us.
Jordan being validated by the very people that caused him and his family so much distress for speaking about the underlying values of the zeitgeist is cathartic for all us. I couldn't help but shed a tear too. Thanks for everything you have done for this generation Dr. Peterson. Those who have followed your work and have connected with you spiritually hold you in very high regard ♥
Great awareness of the irony of modern culture. Jordon is like me, just a caregiver and more than me famous courageous and influential. lets go back to a caregiver and just a dude trying to do good. We feel the great love for our patients but are bothered by our myth., This is part of our personal ethos and a reminder of our pain and insecurity. "We just don't measure up". I love to hear praise from patients but it always makes me uncomfortable. I am locked in my own insecurity and though I love the praise, I also think," but this is my job". I came here today to help people. "What's THE DEAL"?
@@mikesmith5055 Those are compelling, truthful words. Thank you for them. I too am a caregiver who lives my life in the service of others. I too love the praise I get but am so uncomfortable getting it. I can't even just accept a compliment...yet I love the validation that I have helped someone. It is a reminder of our pain and insecurities. It is that we don't feel we measure up. Journey well..
30 minutes into this podcast and I love Africa’s intuition, curiosity, self-reflection, and how articulately she is able to share the inner texture of her experience. She is clearly lovely and speaks with a gentle voice, but more importantly, you can tell she is a deep thinker with an empathetic heart and a desire to live out her values. True justice warrior.
As a black man I recognize and acknowledge all the injustices my people been through and continue to suffer. But I refuse to fall into the drama and energetic motion of it; I would be perpetuting the structure of it all if I did so.
Those who are constantly bombarded with the idea that they’re helpless over their own lives will usually be the ones that cave to manipulative authoritarians. The only solution is to stop focusing on the unchangeable past and show people they can create whatever future they desire if they have responsibility and a final cause.
@@Ignited28 it's still happening tho. That's the issue, the part is the past but racism is alive and well and getting black people killed still. It's not victimhood mindset it's a reality of the world
@@heroscapewarrior4217 RIGHT. I think there is this sort of cleft between the two polarized sides, wherein lies the truth. I know a sweet black family, totally not involved in politics at all that were turned away from a hotel because they are black. Can you imagine if this happened to a white person?! Most I know would be screaming social injustice and racism until they were blue in the face. Segregation of schools in the south only just ended about 50 years ago. Pastors of "white" churches still discuss if they should be letting black people in. These issues ABSOLUTLELY still exist today, and the affects of true systemic racism in the United States (if you who are reading this and are still wondering if that is a thing, read the amendments to the constitution). The argument JP is making has NOTHING to do with whether or not racism exists, it has to do with how we view the problem and WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIX IT. As in, polarizing the sides and creating a new form of racism isn't the answer.
Complete respect for Africa Brooke. It’s rare these days to see this kind of public display of humility. I believe a change of heart begins with humility and I have Nothing but respect for this woman. God Bless Africa Brooke!
I love Jordan Peterson. I don't agree with everything he says but who agrees with everything one person says? He's honest and true to himself and that's what's important. And I've never seen Africa before (I'm probably too old) but she gives me hope for the future.
awesome point. there is an epidemic, and i see it with people close to me, of denouncing people based on a small selection of their values or opinion, regardless of the rest of their values no matter how valuable you see those other ideas.
@@lachywocky Yes, this has become an epidemic, you're right. Open minded discussion and debate over differences in opinion can make connecting with others interesting and exciting. It's a great loss if we're not able to do this any more.
@@Billshepdawg Me too. He's helped me to make my life better and his work is useful to anyone from any sphere of life. I'm a middle aged woman and a feminist and I'm a huge fan of his work.
"When politics becomes religion, its gone too far"...wow Jordan, that struck me as the perfect way to summarize 2020 to present day's social environment.
What are you doing here Sorelle??!? I am subscribed to you too!! How funny 😆 I love learning from smart, beautiful ladies full of wisdom ❤️ And of course Jordan and Mikhaila are amazing as well.
She seems pretty well spoken and friendly but after 50 mins of watcher her I feel like she just switched sides instead of really making her own decisions. Surely I cannt really judge after 130mins of podcast but there is a little bit to much agreeing going on for me. Just changing from disagreeing about everything to agreeing about everything is not really a gain in my eyes.
I love how she pauses and looks inwardly like some lovely buddha before flashing that brilliant smile and laugh upon her answer. As though she freed herself. Lovely.
Almost every time I listen to/read JP, he drops a profundity that I spend a couple days contemplating, looking at from every angle, expanding and shrinking, looking into the past and projecting into the future. He did it again
Every time Jordan Peterson starts to cry I get all choked up inside I can't help it thank you dr. Peterson for helping me and everybody else stay sane during the chaotic period of Our Lives
@C K Hey granny Mia! I can't believe I've run into you on a UA-cam comment section. What are the odds?! Are you still running that pig farm near Milton? Hope you're doing well and staying safe :)
The profound ability that Dr. Peterson has to paraphrase what someone says may only be for his own understanding of the person’s ideas, on a surface level, but from facial expressions of many guests he speaks with, it is clear it helps them understand their own ideas and beliefs better. Thank you all for helping me continue to grow and become a more well rounded, empathetic, inquisitive individual. I am eternally, a student.
Yes! Peterson always gives the best representation of other people's ideas. Something that benefits him, the other person and the audience. He provides "steelmen" to other peoples arguments, while constantly having to put up with being "strawmanned" himself... That's true character!
@@McCallaFilms Entirely agree. I'm guessing that it's an artefact of his psychological training and clinical experience, but it is incredibly beneficial to this context as well, and is the sort of thing that I think should be a skill that is taught FAR more widely than just to those going into such narrow professional settings, as it would benefit society as a whole if more possessed this skill.
@@McCallaFilms thanks for saying that, i would love to see what he was like as a teenager or a child. he must have been born with this quality.. even more so it'd be interesting to see how his romantic relationships went in such a small town scenario ! Straight Fire! Once he's able to Confidently Recognize his own (Key) Inner Strengths ... I can just see the girls fighting over him now .. unbeknownst to his awareness, Even though he senses an outside attraction, he has no "desire" to go outside his own pleasantries to secure something he already knows he's been granted and blessed with at such a young age... God Had A Plan for This Man, I have not One Doubt about THIS !!
and the audience. That's because he's a clinical psychologist and a lecturer! Its second nature to him to do both at the same time... Yes. He's that good.
This video was a stepping stone in my swamp. I rarely like or comment here on UA-cam, but I must leave some love here. You spoke to me Africa, this is exactly what I am experiencing right now, and I hope I have the strength to continue my path that will lead me to a more purpose-led life.
You have the strength. It is likely stiffled by what's been going on in society and the desire to fit in, as is perpetuated by the left and the media. Be kind, be courteous, be wide and keep your heart and mind open and you will find your strength.
I throughly enjoyed this! Africa is incredible, the way she assessed herself and vocalized her findings, truly graceful and highly, highly intelligent! Totally heartbreaking when JP cried! What a world we are living in. Xxx
@@jordandavid8653 seems that way, especially in the light of the massive, world wide, anti vax pass port protests, that are happening now, they are keeping it low down on the msm..
This woman is absolutely brilliant. She's both eloquent and analytical. In a sense, she's also a hero for kicking reason into the radical, dehumanizing terrorists of the left the way she did.
If this is your attitude towards an entire group of loosely bound people you aren't nearly as far along on the JP train as you might think. Try listening to his actual lectures.
@C K Yeah, I've actually listened to a fair few of the things he has said and investigated the way he has been misrepresented. Disagreeing with the methodology of a group of extremists championing gender politics doesn't make him right wing. He has advanced degrees in psychology and recognizes the toxic thought patterns of various cultural groups that have become problematic and speaks honestly about it. He has never called for anyone to be harmed, he has been accused of bigotry for standing up for his own rights, and has had his career attacked by zealots on both the left and right. Accompanied by people sending him, his wife and his daughter death threats. If my non-binary or gay friends were like that I would dump them for being trash people. Go clean your fucking room.
@C K So your big move is to make baseless accusations then pick up the ball and run. Has it occurred to you that your avoidance of engagement with a person because they express anger isn't you avoiding a difficult situation, but rather you creating one and then pretending it is someone else's mess? I'm angry with you because I spent the last few years watching this family nearly die and people treat them like garbage while they're not in a position to defend themselves, now that there is someone confronting you, willing to give you the time of day to explain yourself at that, and all you do is run away. You aren't acting like a respectable person so don't expect to be treated like one. A feminist by the way is a person who believes women should get equal rights, not someone who bends to the will of someone based on their femininity. If you can get me a clip or letter of Jordan saying that women don't deserve equal rights I will send you $100 CDN. The clip or letter has to come from a verifiable source, but other than that you go knock yourself out. Cheap bullshit like a misrepresentation of what he is expressing doesn't count. I can put my money where my mouth is, can you?
@@heitord5539 Not at all. It’s clear the USA military brass is corrupted. The treasonous Gen Milley was phoning Gen Li of China behind the presidents back giving him USA attack and defense potions. Btw did you ever ask yourself this? Why did the Chinese military think they were going to be attacked? Why did Milley feel the need to warn them? Could it be because they launched a bioweapon on the world? Also, did the People’s Liberation Army in China defend the people or did they support the Maoist Communists? The military brass is already working to demoralize the USA troops, lose Afghanistan to China, bring in critical race theory and transgender soldiers etc. it’s how they destroyed Latin America as well.
@@rogerc23 yeah. I’m from Brazil, and even thought our current president Bolsonaro is one of they ferocious enemies, he can’t do anything really effective against the kind of infiltration that took over all the western countries, include Brazil, of course. It’s so sad. I’ve lost my peace, cause we all know there is a strong storm ahead of us….
her description of “snapping” out of something is exactly the same sensation i experienced last year, also while on instagram. i thought i believed a way during college, but truthfully i was also suppressing my own beliefs, and i was also stressed out and anxious all the time. i was hard on myself to a degree i’d never experienced, and at my lowest point i was so insecure my every thought was incredibly toxic, both about myself and others. i was so so bitter all the time. i remember having the same experience of feeling the need to post things and say things online, and yet, something always felt off. i always felt scared. i thought i was just a wimp, but it was because i was trying to make myself do something i didn’t want to do, and trying to be something i was not. i remember spending the whole day scrolling instagram reading post after post demonizing white people. i was trying to “unlearn” my racism, and then i just suddenly snapped. i started to think objectively again, like wait a minute, this doesn’t make any logical sense? i then started doing research, and came across people like jordan, bret weinstein, glen lowry, etc. i remember just feeling this extreme sense of relief and clarity. my mom even remarked that i seemed like myself again. my confidence has been restored since then and i’m mentally healthier than ever.
You know, I usually try to follow the safe advice to never look at the comments, but here, I'm so happy I did. JP (and now Africa, I just found her) inspire so many people to think critically and introspectively and it literally changes lives for the better. Your journey and your willingness to share it makes me think there's hope and maybe we aren't as divided as it often feels like. 💜
"I was performing". This realization is important for all of us to notice. How often are we seeking validation from others by just pretending to be something we are not? Where do we find our value? What matters to us? All these questions are vital to actually make a difference (positively).
The reaction from Africa when asked by Jordan- what were you doing, brought a tear to my eyes. Her truth, conviction, and vulnerability was amazing to see. That was a 100% truth look of a human being from her. What a great episode!!
this woman, Africa, has such a strong presence and with a candid smile the whole time. A typical example of how a person doesnt need to be rude, bossy and with a angry look to get their views heard and understood. Thanks for this Mikhaila. Your father inspired me and your story is also very compelling. Take care
I found her too empathetic. She was non stop rushing to agree and smile when it was actually time to use a more analytical mode. Very annoying. Just stay silent for a sec, jesus.
@@Sergiuss555 I didnt notice that, I guess when you are with an inspiration face to face it must be hard to be that analytical. I thought she was just a fast thinker and very smart and knowing ahead of the topics they are discussing. Plus the level of respect she has for both of them. Anyways, I thought she could speak even more as it is normal to see Jordan taking the conversation ( because everyone wants to listen to what he has to say )
@@ravelbt7396 several times she would smile and hang after a question, " that's a really good question... uhm.. mhm..". That's not what a fast thinker would do.
I have an uncle who speaks very much like JP does except he's also an expert of British navel history. I've been a spending a lot more time with him recently and I've learned so much
Africa is so beautiful, I am so proud of her Sobriety she has so much to offer humanity, as does the Peterson's. This has been the best pod cast I've ever seen. Rogan needs to take lessons.
I can completely understand how you feel when you get to hear about how your work impacts others Dr. Peterson. I'm a graduate student who is a TA in chemistry, and when I leave the classroom, I'm sometimes brought to tears because of how little support my students get from everyone that isn't me. I had a student tell me that no one ever told him that he could do math except me. It's a really profound thing to be able to touch someone else's life just by doing the work you do. I love that about teaching.
Third entry, sorry. Africa gave soooooo much in this podcast. Her level of authenticity, transparency and straight up heart is of the chart! Rarely, do I see this level of courage, steadfastness and poise. Very good. Of course, I will savor this again in a few days and glean more goodness. Psalm 27:13-" I would have lost heart, had I not believed that I would see the goodness of God in the land of the living!"
Your Dad is my Hero. Since I started listening to him in 2020, his voice has been part of my daily routine. I can honestly tell you I am almost 40(Cameroonian leaving and working in Cote d'Ivoire) and doing my masters now and I have never read an entire book but I bought your Dad's books (which are the first books I have ever bought to read for fun) and have listened to 2 already within the last 3 months which is unthinkable from me. He is a blessing to many. As for me he, has changed my life entirely. I pray his health gets better and many more years is all I pray he lives with us as he is mentor to many.
Jordan Peterson is a gift to our world and to humanity. Loved the podcast, love all three of you. Africa is the embodiment of poise and elegance and eloquence. Thank you for your brilliance!
@Darren I agree he needs to clean his own room finally, throwing away all these things you name here. it is about time he bows his head before the cross. I have no right to condemn him, since it took me way too long to finally see God is my end destination, but I pray the whispering voice of God will get an overwhelming one for him also.
Jordan, though I realize how tough it is.. we need you more then ever. This philosophy and your wholesome yet unfaltering truth has brought me peace. We need to continue to spread the word.
@mikhaila Peterson. My story is not unique, and I realize your handle is not authentic. Though It would be cool if Jordan read this. I was working imports during the pandemic. Tesla imports out of LA and Oakland mostly. The job paid very well and was hard to leave. Though I was working 16 hour days and eventually burnt out. The problem is.. after a few months without the job, I was still unhappy. It was easy to blame the job, but I eventually realized that the unhappiness was internal. Jordan's philosophy has given me hope. I was always interested in Psychology and majored in the subject at one point. Eventually I finished in business because it was more practical. I thought a break without responsibility was what I needed, but responsibility is now what I crave. Thank you for the nudge of encouragement and guilt free ambition. I often felt guilt in moving up the ranks instead of my minority counterparts. I honestly didn’t realize it until recently. I will no longer feel guilty for my success and will strive to become the best. I didn’t realize how much I was holding back because of my “privilege.” Paraphrasing what you told Joe Rogan “People think you should be a pacifist, but no, you need to be a monster. Ruthlessly ambitious and learn how to control it." I feel like that is what we are missing as men these days because we are taught to suppress. My goal moving forward is to be a monster with nothing holding me back.
Love open dialogue conversations like these, it’s clear the establishment really doesn’t want these kind of conversations to go on though, they will continue to gas light and divide us. But man how beautiful it is when people look at themselves as an individual rather than part of a group
This conversation moved me to tears. Dr. Peterson, I'd like to echo Africa's words from 53:08-55:00. I also had to shake off a history of reflexive political over-identification. In 2018 I significantly changed the direction of my life. To paraphrase terms I learned from you, my life wasn't manifesting as richly as I knew it could, so I changed what I was aiming at. Your lectures and your book, Maps of Meaning, were my rock. Thank you.
Ek se jou! Somehow hes shown us how the spirituality and the foundations of the bible can be see throughout everything in life...and hes weirdly reminding poeple of that way of thaught ..truly amazing.
Same here! A couple chapters of his forced me to confront my problem with alcohol (that I had been denying for years). Now almost 2 years sober. In addition to that I found some more 'aim' in my sobriety that has paid dividends, and it's made me much more open to ideas and listening. All thanks to this crazy Nazi.
Mikhaila is outstanding. Absolutely love her as much as her dad. She's been through it all . This podcast is One of My Favorites . Africa is amazingly bright and honest
Not to be objectifying but it's honestly unfair that someone that beautiful looking is also wildly intelligent and saturated in integrity. Like it's a bit unnecessary how much she's got going for her.
Africa is so beautiful mentally and physically. I’ve been watching this channel for a long time and I was hoping to see more woman of color and my goodness what a great representation. Africa and Jordan’s interaction at the end was so sincere and genuine, it was one of the most human moments I’ve seen in a long time.
Dr. Peterson, you are my one and only hero. You are such a beautiful human being. You really gave me hope and reassurance. Your humble humility is unparralel. I really enjoyed being introduced to Africa. I thank you Mikhaila!
I teared up when Jordan teared up... damn... we're so flippant sometimes with the power of words especially on social media. It's intense! I think one of the last questions that Africa spoke on, answering Jordan's inquiry about how she knew the second round of affirmations were correct, was because she was speaking her truth without an agenda besides just saying what was on her heart. She gave herself freedom, but didn't just keep it for herself. She reached out and allowed others to exhale too. Brilliant episode! 💖
Problem is it takes intelligence and the willingness do go against your own tribe/belief's. And if intelligence was normal we would not be where we are. I have hope for the future, but i believe that the world have to burn a little, before everyone will understand.
@Andy Mann Once again, you talk in color, I to people. Your doing your absolute best to label everything racist. All your doing is make more racist's by doing so. Not to mention what you are saying makes no sense.
@Andy Mann I did not mention race, i mentioned tribe. Your tribe, group of people. Tribalism. It have nothing to do with your race. And your statements are so random i don't even understand what your trying to say with it.
Dude Almost seven years sober here, started over dozens of times I applaud your willingness to tell your story and it’s desperately needed in these crazy times. Nothings been more glaring in these past two years than how easily our minds can lie to us and how desperate one can be to cling to those beliefs, including and up to the point of death Edit: y’alls comments lol, I was just relating to the guest.
There’s no way I could’ve gone sober on my own. Jesus said that His burden is easy and His yoke is light, so I took Him at His Word. I haven’t had a drink since.
Mr. Peterson, thank you sir for your commitment to improving humanity. My late husband would always say that there is always room for improvement. You are truly a gift to all of us. I can't remember the first video I saw you, however, what you were speaking about resonated with me. I shared the video with my daughter and we are huge fans. More importantly, we have learned so much from you. So again, I thank you, we thank you! In my humble opinion, the world is better because you were born! GOD bless you and your family. 🙏❤
"Let me just sit with that for a second" This is the first time I've heard Africa speak, my goodness she's a breath of fresh air. You can tell right from the offset in the way she speaks that she was influenced by Jordan. Love all 3 of the humans in this interview!
Yeah, Mikhaila had to be host or at the back on this one, but we’ll hear more from her next time. I really like how Jordan validates Mikhaila’s and Africa’s experiences. They did the same for him when Africa said she was waiting for something wrong with Jordan that didn’t happen. Wonderful people. What we need now are more conversations with people of opposing views that are prepared to talk honestly, without it becoming a slugfest.
It’s so beautiful how Jordan let himself feel those feelings and how Africa held space for that. You can tell that she would’ve quietly sat there for as long as he needed. Every time we feel our feelings we heal a little more but so often the people around us are uncomfortable by it and try to make the other person snap out of it sooner
So true, i even caught myself wanting to rescue him and then appreciating the maturity and power in her "allowing" him to be vulnetable and how her respect and compassion for him radiated out in a profound touching way. Experience sitting with her own discomfort shone through. Beautiful!
im a zimbabwean girl and me watching this has opened my mind even more and made me realise that im not alone in this circle and the way i think i not wrong thank you for this
I love the spaces allowed for pauses and silences within the conversion. Dignity, and the honoring of the experience between you all was obvious and beautiful.
I’ve been following Africa ever since she released her letter. Her introspective skills and humility are very inspirational. I’m glad you had her on the channel!
@@dude8223 Well Africa said she has influenced people. Though here in South Africa our corrupt socialist race baiting party African National Congress (ANC) needs to be exposed to Africa Brooke.
@Ibo Robotnik I am Caucasian not white. I do not support her, to support someone requires action. I do agree, and I am just glad that there are alot of black ppl who are intelligent enough that even though they are forced into this cult, have the backbone to stand against it when they realize what's been done to them. I feel the same way for any person of any race that has been manipulated into beleiveing cultists propaganda, and even though all of their peers, everything they read, their family, what they watch, their music ect ect backs up their cultists beleif system, they still find the courage to stand against it and say, NO, it Is a lie. It is one of the greatest forms of heroism there is. There is a famous picture of hundreds of men saluting Hitler. In the middle is one man, arms crossed, refusing to do so. He is alone and has no reason to oppose everyone. He can blend in with the crowd and hide by saluting.But he chooses to protest. He is the only one not saluting. Perhaps you have seen avengers, when Loki stands over a crowd and forces them to kneel. All but 1, a old man stands up against him, and others follow. Others will follow Africa also... and that's what frightens you.
Awe, God bless Jordan Peterson 🙏🏾 He’s such a sweet man, so honest and deeply concerned with the betterment of people; ALL people, men, women, black,white and everyone in between. I also appreciate Africa’s very thoughtful experience, a very rich and timely discussion. We need more of these exchange of ideas, it was very enriching to watch. I think this needed to be a longer conversation. Thank you Mikalah for facilitating this discussion.
I was introduced to Dr. Petersons lectures right after we almost lost our son. He has lifted so many up and keeps reminding us how to stay strong while facing our darkest moments. He is a blessing to us all. This was lovely to watch.
Originally started listening to this on Spotify but ended up watching the rest here. What a great topic of discussion. I love that Africa really sits with the questions too.
I am so happy I watched this video . I don’t think I have ever related to anyone as much as I do to Africa . The idea that you need to conform because of your identity has been something I’ve been battling for years now and this video really gave me a little release to truly becoming who I want to be without having to feel like a traitor to my people . Thank you .
@Andy Mann That's a baffling comment. What makes you think she wants to "fulfill white male desire"? I'm a woman and I don't. There are over 108 million female adults in the US. Spoiler alert -- we don't all think alike.
'My people'? All humans are our people....best of luck to you, we are all struggling with internal and external influences trying to live a life based on live and truth...
@@pamelaclarke5062 it would be nice to live in a world where it is true that we are all “our people” but in the world that is reality there is tribalism and race exists .
I always enjoy when Jordan reflects then sums up in his words what someone else just said and why....because the person he is summing up then nods with a big smile and says...that is exactly right as if Jordan understands the person better than that person knows themselves.
@@gu5589 To truly listen is to be open to the possibility of having to suffer cognitive dissonance. This is why the first moral virtue is moral courage,.. without which none of the other virtues are possible at all. But the necessary second moral virtue is humility,.. and moral courage and humility are experienced as being in an immediate visceral conflict with each other,.. and yet, so essential to each other also. Nathanial Brandan had an adage that _in order to think clearly we must feel deeply_ that I have often found to be helpful.
@@gu5589 right?! And I really _truly_ tried to understand his critics that say he speaks a lot of nothing, but I’m yet to see anything that even resembles ‘word salad’ (and it’s been years I watch the man) In fact I don’t think I ever understood a scholar quite so well before, as he’s great at simplifying really complex ideas that even someone who has a terrible time putting their thoughts (and English) together like me can grasp.
Jordan is adorable, he cries when people tell him how much he's helped them. AWW honestly what a man. My personal favourite thing I take away from Jordan's lectures are to always be self critical in ways that strive for positive development. I'm young (20s) and have so much to learn about the world and myself but I love that Jordan is one of the voices of reason in this day and age because unlike some he says what he does out of his seeking of truth, not to hurt people. Also also lately been looking at Mikhaila's content, smart and on the same search for truth, amazing!! much love to you all cheers!!
What a freaking beautiful woman. How fabulous was this? FANTASTIC. I love when father and daughter do shared podcasts. And what content! One of your best. Thank you, all three of you.
I turned 70 this summer, and all this social justice has wearied and downright frightened me into a depression. I grew up with America being the melting pot of the World. The shining city on the hill. Now it is all these groups fighting and hating each other, bring out the worst in all of us. This beautiful, graceful, articulate woman, Africa Brooke has given me some hope that we will turn the corner and concentrate on our similarities and raise each other up. All this tribalism is not good for America and the Western cultlures. We the West are the freedom on the planet and if we fail where are we to go? Mikhaila thank you for this candid interview. Mr Peterson, know that you are beloved by so many and more importantly you have contributed immensely to humanity.
@@moniquesmith5186 I think "melting pot" was simply an imperfect metaphor. "Salad bowl" or "stew" would've been better, where different people can all be part of one single, wonderful thing. 🤷🏾♀️ I'm mixed race, and if I'd been born here at other points in history, my life would've been much worse than that of my white friends. But I love America, because over the centuries, it's been steadily progressing towards "a more perfect union" even though it's not perfect -- because NO nation ever CAN be perfect. I've lived in some very worse countries! Many Americans haven't. All they know is what it's like to live here. Here, where a wealthy young woman of color can stand on the Yale campus -- where annual admission costs more than many people around the world will ever earn in a lifetime -- and scream, in apparently genuine horror: _"WE'RE DYING HERE!"_ . . . and why? All because a professor had issued an email advising students to be thoughtful when choosing their Halloween costumes. 🤦🏾♀️ The very existence of a term like "micro-aggressions" shows how much less problematic America is, compared to many other countries, and many other periods in American history. I've experienced racism, I was even falsely arrested (which was both infuriating and frightening) when something went missing, and I was targeted because I was the only person there who wasn't white. But I know how united we CAN be. In 2001 a good friend of mine was killed on 9/11 and I worked recovery at the WTC Site with American co-workers who were like me and unlike me -- white, black, asian, Indian. . . Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, agnostic. . . male, female, gay, straight, married, single. . . and so many different ages. But we were all Americans, working together. That's what this country CAN be at heart, like JoBisbee said, "the shining city on the hill". ❤️🇺🇸
Africa gave voice to some of the thoughts I've had about the (woke movement) in the past year. I can't thank you enough Africa Brooke, Jordan and Mikhail Peterson for this insightful and eye opening conversation...
This is the first I’ve heard of Africa Brooke (yes I live under a rock), 15min in and I already love her. I’m so thankful for her, and can’t wait to listen to her more!
Africa Brooke- I can't even begin to find the words to tell you how amazing and beautiful it is to hear you speak from such an honest, vulnerable (meaning incredibly strong) and open place. I can feel the deep truth, the surrender in you, that place of surrendering the ego, to break open the deepest aspect of your highest self, your biggest truths. Thank you for going there, through all of it.... the addiction, the pain, the self examination, the honesty, the admitting of "wrongs" to show this amazing example of what true strength and freedom is. Its HARD to step back and own it. We are all in that same boat, one planet, one mind. Thank you for being the example that humanity needs so badly. You are so brave and strong. I will share your story and continue do my best each day to also be that example for the people in my life. Many blessings to you. Your authenticity is the most beautiful thing I have come across in a long while. Peace be with you sister. 🙏🏼💜
As someone from London, after this interview, given an opportunity, I’m voting for Africa as the next London Major, followed by prime minister. She’s so eloquent, well-spoken, intelligent and compassionate.
When Dr. Peterson made reference to Pinocchio once again I actually cried. His analysis are so powerful and it brought me memories of a healthier time, when he was at University giving those lucky students some life-changing courses in person. Thanks so much for this podcast Mikhaila. God bless you all 🙏🏻🙏🏻
The journeys, the words, the tears flowing here... what a beautiful and powerful moment. I cry with you soul family and thank you each for all that you are. The heart will win... Scarred yes, but it will.
The world is a better place with Jordan Peterson in it. I saw the clip you posted on Twitter and can’t wait to watch the whole thing. Bless you folks. 🙏🏼
Thank you for having such a profound interview. I appreciate you, your father and Africa for having the courage to stand in your full integrity. May truth and love always lead the way.
“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s” “ If you render unto Caesar what belongs to God, then Caesar becomes your god.” No truer word were ever spoken
Caesar owned nor created nothing in this world that did not already exist, as all before and since. We can only create children, nothing else. Nothing belongs to Caesar, all belongs to God.
I believe that Jesus, was linking the image language from Genesis. We are made in God's image. Currency/taxes and the other systems in the world have to be reckoned with but we as human beings carry the image of God. We should therefore act out the will of who we represent. "Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly before your God." Micah 6:8
when Jordan talks about the Marvel comic you can see how much he's been hurt by it. And understandably so, imagine being vilified in the public domain in such a vile manner? Must be horrible which would take it's toll on the strongest of us. Jordan and Mikhaila, please know that the open minded free thinking people - much like Africa, we know who Jordan is and have nothing but respect for him! :)
Imagine spending decades studying the worst ideologies of communism and fascism, and spending a long time trying to prevent that, only to be vilified as a fascist. I can't imagine the sheer hurt it did to him.
@@JoshDTech I think Jordan's hurt emotional reaction to that comic comes from his 'innocence' if you can call it that, that someone would deliberately give him a character that is so vile; for him it was not a joke, especially because he knows the effect of social media. People will run with it, believe it, perpetuate it....I find it astonishing that he and his family managed to turn it around and even make it into a fundraising thing! And the following is a good example of that power of these electronic devices and social media, did you know that the children's charity they offered the money to first, did not want to accept it because he is deemed "right wing fascist, neo Nazi" etc.?
What a beautiful conversation ❤ We need to not give up on one another. It's open, caring conversations like this that will reach those who are struggling internally with these social issues and change hearts and minds ❤
All my life I have seen people in groups, following leaders, Somehow managed mostly to be my own leader. Thank you very much for being so outspoken for all of us. Thank you for your courage sir.
The way Jordan get's destroyed by praise is unbelievably wholesome
Amen!
Lol nice
Yes, I was thinking that. And I think it's deeper than just praise. It's the totality of the roller coaster it's been -- from the students shouting at him, to the Cathy Newman or that French kid "I'm gonna get you" interview, the sold out shows across the world, the letters of gratitude he keeps getting, to the health problems. I think that deep inside, he still has a profound sense of incredulity when individuals come to share deeply personal stories with him. It's these individuals who go through hell and emerge that give him something like hope or purpose.
Right?!?!
@@SteveLinGuitar spot on, I think. Had to look up incredulity though ;)
Your dad crying like that just breaks my heart. Tell him there are so many of us who feel similar to Africa--what he's doing is so important and so many people are indebted to him. Love you guys.
i totally agree, well said..
Same here!
Hear! Hear!
I felt exactly the same. I am one of those people who is indebted to him. When I see him cry... I can't help but do the same because I'm so grateful... but I know what it cost him to help so many, including myself.
I knowwwwwww right 💔😢
I loved when Dr. Peterson asked "What were you doing?" - Then Africa thinks about it .....spends time with his question .....then she has the courage to face the truth of her answer .....then more courageous still - she has the strength to share it: "I was performing." That was such a beautiful moment - and it says so much about her character. I loved this episode. Thoughtful people - being vulnerable and sharing. Just beautiful.
Agree. It's really great to see that with every question he asks she often takes a moment to seriously consider it and give a really good reply. A lot of respect to both the person asking the question and the one answering.
Ironic because "performing" is all Mikhaila Peterson seems to be doing, including performing some brand promotion, while pilfering time from these earnest guests doing their best to be authentic.
@@koninkonin2072 You're not the best person person.
I audibly said "Yes" out loud and paused. I can't believe I have access to these thinkers and their conversations at the tip of my fingers.
Makes me think of all the Chinese people 'crying' when Mao died, public outcry beyond any normal reaction to any death. It was a performance -- a lie of the Soul. Like puppets, controlling their own strings for the 'greater good'. You saw the same thing in Russia, and even in America not long ago when George died. People cried in public -- people who clearly did not care at all about him and did not know him, just politicians performing. Or, worse than performing: living the performance as if it were truly real. You saw this with 2016 when Trump won and lots of crazy women cried endlessly in public (some are shown on infamous video clips). That is not normal at all.
When JBP started crying i did too. Almost two years ago my ex broke up with me because I wanted to return to my christian faith and accused me of being a nazi, racist, bigot, etc. A few days and months before he was saying how he can't wait to marry me. This hurt and betrayal and brutal attack on who I am as a person was unlike anything I've ever experienced before. I'm still healing from it. It's awful. JBP is a hero. Thank you for another great episode Mikhaila. 💯💞
We all cried Love.
🙏❤️
@@555Trout we really all did. For some reason (maybe because I don't read comics) I didn't think that had that much of an effect on him. I was very surprised and taken aback, I cried a lot.
It's the first time I saw Dr. Peterson expressing that "feeling very wronged* and hurt" face. He usually cries for other people not himself.
I wish we could heal him the way he healed us.
*typo
@@lounaannajung4454
Yes. 🙏
The hypocrisy here is absolutely crazy. You bitch about "Group think" but you are religious.
@@mrelba9176 someone pouring out her heart and this is your response... shows where your heart is at 😉 good luck with that
I love how Jordan is so genuinely interested in what Africa is saying. He is giving a great example of what it truly means to listen to someone, and not simply waiting for your own chance to speak.
Very refreshing
He’s following his own rule, “Listen to the speaker, as if your about to learn something valuable” paraphrased.
He said most of us “Listen while thinking about our next response”. Paraphrased
I work with someone who simply doesn't listen to anything I say, always deflects, and everytime I say something he just waits until I stop to start talking. The worst part about it is that I will actually ask him: "Did you just wait until I stopped talking to start talking about whatever you were thinking about?" Yes, and I guess what you were saying wasn't interesting enough...
@Notya Don't be fooled by the fact that people aren't going to jump down your throat here in this thread. "We" still think you're a complete goofball, "we" just won't give you the reaction you were hoping for.
And by "we" I just mean me.
@Notya I truly don’t know how you can tell that Jordan is not really listening ( I think that he is listening ), but I can certainly understand why you would think that is the case in that you refer to him as a charlatan. You are clearly not a fan.
As a Zimbabwean woman living in the west who had a very similar experience, this just warms my heart. Africa is so eloquent and has expressed most of my feelings much better than I ever could. I came to Canada for university from Zimbabwe and pursued a degree in political science - this is where my indoctrination into woke culture began. It was such a strange thing to me to think that because I'm black, and a woman, and an immigrant, that I'm oppressed and a victim of some sort. I embraced that thinking even though deep down inside it never felt right. I'm just so thankful that I was able to walk away from identity politics and mistruth, and even more thankful for people like Jordan and Africa that are brave enough to publicly speak their truth.
Let's not pretend you get the same praise as a white person when you do something or have achieved the highest success you can or that you're not disadvantaged
@@lynnd.5135 I guess if you're looking for praise and validation from others you might believe you fall short. As for myself, I continue to work hard and grow, while taking responsibility for my life and actions. I consider myself successful after all the effort I've put into school and work, and I'm really blessed to live here. The only true oppression I faced was when I lived in Zimbabwe under a tyrannical dictatorship (run by black people by the way).
@@lynnd.5135 on the contrary,black people get more praise than white people. They are put on a pedestal,becoming a protected class.
@@lynnd.5135 I've experienced racism, and once I was even falsely arrested. However, like the original commenter, I've lived in places that really are dictatorial. So I'm grateful to be American. No country will ever be perfect; but here, I have the freedom which many people around the world can only dream of ever having.🤷🏾♀️
That wee lassie Africa Brooke is a delight, she is inspirational. I'd never heard of her before but the life lessons she shared in this video I found to be profound and I can't wait read her letter and find out more about her.
It interesting that she's Zimbabwean because what I've noticed with Zimbabwean immigrants and their offspring here in Scotland and down south in England (I work in Edinburgh and in London) is they seem to be ambitious and want to get on. I don't know if we're attracting the cream of the Zimbabwean crop or if that's just a national characteristic but I know a lot who very successful in the financial services sector in Edinburgh and London.
You sound like an amazing woman too @Mrs Potato and I wish you all the best.
This girl is just like me. I'm a Caribbean mixed chick who looks black. I never delved into the group ideology, but all my life I've had to resist other people's desires to put me into an inferior category based on what they perceived to be their good intentions. I think a lot of black people from Africa and the Caribbean feel this way and it is different from how western blacks seem to think. Just a few months ago, I was dragged on Twitter for having wrongthink. It's fascinating.
@Shawnelle you hit the nail on the head
@J.A. Bristol based on the dragging I got for simply saying there are aspects of black American culture that weren't good, I'm not sure. But my fingers remain crossed.
@@gertrudebarketey7191 ❤
@J.A. Bristol doubtful. She is as loved as she is hated, and most of the people who hate her are that 20%. The culture wars have to be won in America by people who don't see blacks as victims.
@J.A. Bristol no idea!
"I was performing." Wow. Africa's perceptiveness and honesty are remarkable.
My exact reaction
Of all the wise words spoken throughout that whole conversation that, to me, was the most surprising, and most profound. A real "euraka" moment.
I like your sentence. Lovely unavoidable pun.☺️
You should travel to the Netherlands. Haha were so honest to strangers and direct social groep. Tourist more often call us blunt and rude. If someone acts like Americans do, we call that fake and is unliked overall. We call it efficient communication. So you really know what ppl think of you or your opinion. And when something is up. You have the ability to change. Of course if you will. 🤣 but against higher rank, just smile and nod. Besides that,we have but still enough spineless creatures. You want to slap after they screw you over. Stupid hypocritical society.
(FYI. I’m aware my English is bad. So no need to comment on it. Of course if you really want to. Please go ahead, that’s fine. All good).
@C K haha Jordan Peterson doesn’t need advertising. His work speak for him. Maybe she needs it dunno, lefty’s with there attention disorder.
To everyone:
#1) get off ALL social media, unless absolutely necessary.
#2) read more books and talk to a variety of people, especially those who differ from you.
#3) work hard and eat clean
#4) let's just wake up instead of being "woke"
#5) find God and your soul, and do right by them.
great reply!!
On my way to achieve this :D
Being "woke" is a misappropriation of black culture. Black folks say "stay woke". That doesn't mean adopt group identity culture and see yourself as part of a group. It means you need to keep a careful eye on a legitimate oppressor.
Oh yeah!? What are you doing here? She stated that listening to Jordan and Larry Elder helped her recover.
Sleep a lot, eat a lot, brush 'em like crazy.
Run a lot, do a lot, never be lazy.
Sleep a lot, eat a lot, brush 'em like crazy.
Run a lot, do a lot, never be lazy. (Beach Boys)
@flashwashington2735 are you ok?
Africa Brooke is amazing. Pure grace, and a deep intellect.
Couldn't have said it better. She's incredibly regal.
Agreed. Just ...wow.
I was thinking the same thing... Seems really wise this one. Natalie Portman stuff.
its amazing how women like that are always easiest on the eyes also
@@efraim3364 women like what exactly?
Whatever rule you feel exists on this really doesn't
Every single time I've ever watched Jordan tear up, I ball like a little girl. He is so genuine and sincere. What a stupendous role model for all, but especially men.
You should see me watching Cant Buy Me Love or the Incredibles.
Coincidental glare?!? In the dark?
Same!!
@Notya That would be because you´re emotionally crippled. Seek help.
@Notya Apparently they have if you go through a comment section trying to discredit a man with much more experience and knowledge than yourself with vague, snarky insults. You're just scared of him shaking the fragile foundation of your ego.
Incredible podcast. It's one thing to say "I got this wrong" but to go into the detail that Africa did and give examples of how it all made her feel when she realised where she'd gone wrong, deserves massive respect. Also, seeing JP tear up like that because of one person who he helped, when he's helped so many people, just shows how genuine his intentions are. He's had a huge impact on on my life in the last few years and I couldn't be more grateful for his work!
“Let me just sit with that for a second.”
Fantastic skill. Learning from this beautiful woman already.
Im black, surrounded by both white and black people, we are not racist, we are treated pretty decently by the white people we know. I am brazilian living in The Netherlands. I am not a victim and so arent they….. Conversations like this one are crucial towards a genuine understanding shift. Thanks Mikhaila
My wife died recently (two years ago soon) . She was Brazilian too. Black as well . Or rather a typical Brazilian mix. I am white as they come. Not a problem to me. Biggest heart I've come across . Race and nationality has very little to do with that. Faith, family and friends has everything to do with it.
@@thegram9207 I'm Brazilian as well. Mulata or Parda are the terms you looking for to describe her etinicity. Sorry for your loss, god bless you.
Heck I didnt know racism still existed until the age of 20-21 when I moved to the city for college. i had to be taught racism and I sometimes learned about certain kinds of racism only after being accused of it while just going about my daily business. It's an odd position to be in when people around you claim insistantly that they know what you think and that you think with ideas and views that aren't there and that dont exist in even an informal capacity in my psyche because I had never heard of it before. They decided and nothing I say or do could effect it.
I wish I knew how to deal with those situations but it makes me really wonder just how much false racism exiats out there and what, if anything, can be done about it effectively so that a shift can actually manifest within a generation. I don't know but what I see and experience doesn't line up with the entire narrative that gets forced down my throat with any and all other opinions.only being definitely wrong and immediately falae. And nothing besides what im told I have to believe as truth, even about myself, is accepted.
I don't know what to do with that...?
What a radiant human being. 💛 Reading Africa's letter and listening to her speak is like a healing balm for the culture war-torn heart. Folks like her give me such hope that we will find a way to transcend the current paradigm - neither trying to just run and hide back in an idealized past that's behind us, nor getting taken in by the siren song of totalitarianism in any form - and actually move forward in the spirit of empathy, respect and common sense.
This man cares, he cares so much that even at risk to his mental/physical health and financial well being he drives forward trying to bring truth and meaning to people in a way that only he can. Thank God for Jordan and his family as well. Who knows how many would still be lost without them. Amen.
Thanks Mikhaila for making this interview happen and Africa for being so honest and thoughtful with your responses. Great Epidsode!
It's one of the lessons he teaches too.
Speak the truth at every opportunity, and when everything else burns away, the truth is what stands against EVERYTHING ELSE.
I'm going to thank a God! With a few hundred thousand to chose from I took a short cut and invented one, no name for the entity yet, although I'm thinking Woker might be ideal. Thoughts?
@@wormbo2 Not quite, his angle is speak your truth, which may have little resemblance to anothers!
They make a lot of money from this so I wouldn't go that far. Also I think he will be the first one to say that building "a cult" around a person is not something we should desire. Saying thank you is great but "fans" of Jordan Peterson are taking it too far.
@@ZuziFox Exactly. He's making money hand over fist and now his daughter is in on the gig (tho never sure what her contribution is besides starting at herself as if in awe of her transformation and asking facile questions). The way people are glorifying them is stupefying. Where's this headed? What a shitshow.
When Africa thought hard and said, 'I was performing" that is honesty. It's awesome to see. Much respect!
Seeing Jordan break ALWAYS makes me break. What a big, honest heart. Love this episode!
Me too
Nah seeing Jordan Peterson cry is literally just as bad as seeing my dad cry, the minute I saw I tear I was gone 😂 tears were ROLLING.
Jordan’s advice has done a lot for helping me process childhood trauma as an adult and take on responsibility for so much of my BS. The way you guys turned that comic around is iconic!
You couldn't have said it better - watching Jordan tear up and cry is just as bad as seeing my dad cry. It is a humbling experience to see that even your dad cries. My Dad is 82 years old, and when he talks about leaving his property to us kids, and I thank him - his eyes water. And it breaks my heart to see so much love for us.
I am so happy to hear that!!! I wish you the very best!!
Jordan being validated by the very people that caused him and his family so much distress for speaking about the underlying values of the zeitgeist is cathartic for all us. I couldn't help but shed a tear too. Thanks for everything you have done for this generation Dr. Peterson. Those who have followed your work and have connected with you spiritually hold you in very high regard ♥
Well said
Great awareness of the irony of modern culture. Jordon is like me, just a caregiver and more than me famous courageous and influential. lets go back to a caregiver and just a dude trying to do good. We feel the great love for our patients but are bothered by our myth., This is part of our personal ethos and a reminder of our pain and insecurity. "We just don't measure up". I love to hear praise from patients but it always makes me uncomfortable. I am locked in my own insecurity and though I love the praise, I also think," but this is my job". I came here today to help people. "What's THE DEAL"?
Nice comment man. I agree strongly.
@@mikesmith5055 Those are compelling, truthful words. Thank you for them. I too am a caregiver who lives my life in the service of others. I too love the praise I get but am so uncomfortable getting it. I can't even just accept a compliment...yet I love the validation that I have helped someone. It is a reminder of our pain and insecurities. It is that we don't feel we measure up.
Journey well..
The very highest!!❤️
30 minutes into this podcast and I love Africa’s intuition, curiosity, self-reflection, and how articulately she is able to share the inner texture of her experience. She is clearly lovely and speaks with a gentle voice, but more importantly, you can tell she is a deep thinker with an empathetic heart and a desire to live out her values. True justice warrior.
Africa exudes grace, poise, elegance and intelligence--a joy to witness in one so young. 😀
Those are exactly the words I was looking for to describe her and for some reason couldn't find.
I’d be so super nervous with JBP’s presence. But Africa looks so composed and gracious. ❤️
Ok
Me too :) I doubt, I would be able to say anything that makes sense….
@@vplan lol I would be like a kid in a candy store picking his brain.
I just want to give him a huge hug
As a black man I recognize and acknowledge all the injustices my people been through and continue to suffer. But I refuse to fall into the drama and energetic motion of it; I would be perpetuting the structure of it all if I did so.
As a human with a brain I agree with you
Those who are constantly bombarded with the idea that they’re helpless over their own lives will usually be the ones that cave to manipulative authoritarians. The only solution is to stop focusing on the unchangeable past and show people they can create whatever future they desire if they have responsibility and a final cause.
@@Ignited28 exactly. That victim mindset is lame as he** to me.
@@Ignited28 it's still happening tho. That's the issue, the part is the past but racism is alive and well and getting black people killed still. It's not victimhood mindset it's a reality of the world
@@heroscapewarrior4217 RIGHT. I think there is this sort of cleft between the two polarized sides, wherein lies the truth. I know a sweet black family, totally not involved in politics at all that were turned away from a hotel because they are black. Can you imagine if this happened to a white person?! Most I know would be screaming social injustice and racism until they were blue in the face. Segregation of schools in the south only just ended about 50 years ago. Pastors of "white" churches still discuss if they should be letting black people in. These issues ABSOLUTLELY still exist today, and the affects of true systemic racism in the United States (if you who are reading this and are still wondering if that is a thing, read the amendments to the constitution). The argument JP is making has NOTHING to do with whether or not racism exists, it has to do with how we view the problem and WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIX IT. As in, polarizing the sides and creating a new form of racism isn't the answer.
Complete respect for Africa Brooke. It’s rare these days to see this kind of public display of humility. I believe a change of heart begins with humility and I have Nothing but respect for this woman. God Bless Africa Brooke!
I love Jordan Peterson. I don't agree with everything he says but who agrees with everything one person says? He's honest and true to himself and that's what's important. And I've never seen Africa before (I'm probably too old) but she gives me hope for the future.
Exactly the same thing here Sue. To the T!!! She's a breath of fresh air. And Jordan has always made me think about myself and others way of thinking.
awesome point. there is an epidemic, and i see it with people close to me, of denouncing people based on a small selection of their values or opinion, regardless of the rest of their values no matter how valuable you see those other ideas.
@@lachywocky Yes, this has become an epidemic, you're right. Open minded discussion and debate over differences in opinion can make connecting with others interesting and exciting. It's a great loss if we're not able to do this any more.
@@Billshepdawg Me too. He's helped me to make my life better and his work is useful to anyone from any sphere of life. I'm a middle aged woman and a feminist and I'm a huge fan of his work.
If you agreed with everything any other says then I think you should be worried.
"When politics becomes religion, its gone too far"...wow Jordan, that struck me as the perfect way to summarize 2020 to present day's social environment.
Woo! So glad you got this wise woman on.
What are you doing here Sorelle??!? I am subscribed to you too!! How funny 😆
I love learning from smart, beautiful ladies full of wisdom ❤️
And of course Jordan and Mikhaila are amazing as well.
So that's how you ended up in my algorithm! JBP! Hahah Love your finance vids chick!
She's an incredibly talented speaker
Welcome Sorelle!💞 Africa is another goddess!
She seems pretty well spoken and friendly but after 50 mins of watcher her I feel like she just switched sides instead of really making her own decisions. Surely I cannt really judge after 130mins of podcast but there is a little bit to much agreeing going on for me. Just changing from disagreeing about everything to agreeing about everything is not really a gain in my eyes.
I love how she pauses and looks inwardly like some lovely buddha before flashing that brilliant smile and laugh upon her answer. As though she freed herself. Lovely.
Almost every time I listen to/read JP, he drops a profundity that I spend a couple days contemplating, looking at from every angle, expanding and shrinking, looking into the past and projecting into the future. He did it again
Right? It’s great to be on this journey of learning. Makes me feel alive again.
Every time Jordan Peterson starts to cry I get all choked up inside I can't help it thank you dr. Peterson for helping me and everybody else stay sane during the chaotic period of Our Lives
@C K Hey granny Mia! I can't believe I've run into you on a UA-cam comment section. What are the odds?! Are you still running that pig farm near Milton? Hope you're doing well and staying safe :)
@C K - Ironically, you are that woke person this interview is talking about. You should watch some of Dr. Peterson's videos, I dare you.
The profound ability that Dr. Peterson has to paraphrase what someone says may only be for his own understanding of the person’s ideas, on a surface level, but from facial expressions of many guests he speaks with, it is clear it helps them understand their own ideas and beliefs better. Thank you all for helping me continue to grow and become a more well rounded, empathetic, inquisitive individual. I am eternally, a student.
Yes! Peterson always gives the best representation of other people's ideas. Something that benefits him, the other person and the audience. He provides "steelmen" to other peoples arguments, while constantly having to put up with being "strawmanned" himself... That's true character!
@@McCallaFilms Entirely agree. I'm guessing that it's an artefact of his psychological training and clinical experience, but it is incredibly beneficial to this context as well, and is the sort of thing that I think should be a skill that is taught FAR more widely than just to those going into such narrow professional settings, as it would benefit society as a whole if more possessed this skill.
@@McCallaFilms thanks for saying that, i would love to see what he was like as a teenager or a child. he must have been born with this quality.. even more so it'd be interesting to see how his romantic relationships went in such a small town scenario ! Straight Fire!
Once he's able to Confidently Recognize his own (Key) Inner Strengths ...
I can just see the girls fighting over him now .. unbeknownst to his awareness,
Even though he senses an outside attraction, he has no "desire" to go outside his own pleasantries to secure something he already knows he's been granted and blessed with at such a young age... God Had A Plan for This Man, I have not One Doubt about THIS !!
and the audience. That's because he's a clinical psychologist and a lecturer! Its second nature to him to do both at the same time... Yes. He's that good.
I have a sign I made for my wall to remind me..."Every Day's a School Day." I'm 59.
This video was a stepping stone in my swamp. I rarely like or comment here on UA-cam, but I must leave some love here. You spoke to me Africa, this is exactly what I am experiencing right now, and I hope I have the strength to continue my path that will lead me to a more purpose-led life.
You have the strength. It is likely stiffled by what's been going on in society and the desire to fit in, as is perpetuated by the left and the media. Be kind, be courteous, be wide and keep your heart and mind open and you will find your strength.
I throughly enjoyed this! Africa is incredible, the way she assessed herself and vocalized her findings, truly graceful and highly, highly intelligent! Totally heartbreaking when JP cried! What a world we are living in. Xxx
same,
btw Thoroughly*
@@Professional--Gamer lp
@@jordandavid8653 seems that way, especially in the light of the massive, world wide, anti vax pass port protests, that are happening now, they are keeping it low down on the msm..
Never heard of Africa Brooke, but glad I got to see her speak out and articulate her experience. She is very self aware.
The world is craving the honesty this woman speaks. I feel so much more free just listening to this conversation. Fantastic podcast 🙏
This woman is absolutely brilliant. She's both eloquent and analytical. In a sense, she's also a hero for kicking reason into the radical, dehumanizing terrorists of the left the way she did.
she also fine af
If this is your attitude towards an entire group of loosely bound people you aren't nearly as far along on the JP train as you might think. Try listening to his actual lectures.
Humility and non judgement intellect is the most amazing thing to listen too. It is a Great Gift to listeners
@C K Yeah, I've actually listened to a fair few of the things he has said and investigated the way he has been misrepresented. Disagreeing with the methodology of a group of extremists championing gender politics doesn't make him right wing. He has advanced degrees in psychology and recognizes the toxic thought patterns of various cultural groups that have become problematic and speaks honestly about it. He has never called for anyone to be harmed, he has been accused of bigotry for standing up for his own rights, and has had his career attacked by zealots on both the left and right. Accompanied by people sending him, his wife and his daughter death threats. If my non-binary or gay friends were like that I would dump them for being trash people.
Go clean your fucking room.
@C K So your big move is to make baseless accusations then pick up the ball and run. Has it occurred to you that your avoidance of engagement with a person because they express anger isn't you avoiding a difficult situation, but rather you creating one and then pretending it is someone else's mess? I'm angry with you because I spent the last few years watching this family nearly die and people treat them like garbage while they're not in a position to defend themselves, now that there is someone confronting you, willing to give you the time of day to explain yourself at that, and all you do is run away. You aren't acting like a respectable person so don't expect to be treated like one. A feminist by the way is a person who believes women should get equal rights, not someone who bends to the will of someone based on their femininity.
If you can get me a clip or letter of Jordan saying that women don't deserve equal rights I will send you $100 CDN. The clip or letter has to come from a verifiable source, but other than that you go knock yourself out. Cheap bullshit like a misrepresentation of what he is expressing doesn't count.
I can put my money where my mouth is, can you?
"I don't want to play this game anymore, it's making me sick, it's making all of us sick."
This game makes people dead. Be happy we are all only just sick. The next move for the Marxist democrats is always starvation. You’ll see.
@@rogerc23 dont you think the Military forces of west world will have stop them eventually?
@@heitord5539 Not at all. It’s clear the USA military brass is corrupted. The treasonous Gen Milley was phoning Gen Li of China behind the presidents back giving him USA attack and defense potions. Btw did you ever ask yourself this? Why did the Chinese military think they were going to be attacked? Why did Milley feel the need to warn them? Could it be because they launched a bioweapon on the world?
Also, did the People’s Liberation Army in China defend the people or did they support the Maoist Communists? The military brass is already working to demoralize the USA troops, lose Afghanistan to China, bring in critical race theory and transgender soldiers etc.
it’s how they destroyed Latin America as well.
@@rogerc23 yeah. I’m from Brazil, and even thought our current president Bolsonaro is one of they ferocious enemies, he can’t do anything really effective against the kind of infiltration that took over all the western countries, include Brazil, of course. It’s so sad. I’ve lost my peace, cause we all know there is a strong storm ahead of us….
@@heitord5539 I’ve spent time in Brazil and know what you mean. Amazing place. Amazing people. Horrible corruption and govt.
Mr Peterson, you are a lovely man. I am humbled every time i listen to any of your sessions.
her description of “snapping” out of something is exactly the same sensation i experienced last year, also while on instagram.
i thought i believed a way during college, but truthfully i was also suppressing my own beliefs, and i was also stressed out and anxious all the time. i was hard on myself to a degree i’d never experienced, and at my lowest point i was so insecure my every thought was incredibly toxic, both about myself and others. i was so so bitter all the time.
i remember having the same experience of feeling the need to post things and say things online, and yet, something always felt off. i always felt scared. i thought i was just a wimp, but it was because i was trying to make myself do something i didn’t want to do, and trying to be something i was not. i remember spending the whole day scrolling instagram reading post after post demonizing white people. i was trying to “unlearn” my racism, and then i just suddenly snapped. i started to think objectively again, like wait a minute, this doesn’t make any logical sense? i then started doing research, and came across people like jordan, bret weinstein, glen lowry, etc. i remember just feeling this extreme sense of relief and clarity. my mom even remarked that i seemed like myself again. my confidence has been restored since then and i’m mentally healthier than ever.
You know, I usually try to follow the safe advice to never look at the comments, but here, I'm so happy I did. JP (and now Africa, I just found her) inspire so many people to think critically and introspectively and it literally changes lives for the better. Your journey and your willingness to share it makes me think there's hope and maybe we aren't as divided as it often feels like. 💜
This was a really insightful comment - glad you're feeling better :)
Thank you for the honest and powerful comment.
It was probably the peer pressure that kept you following your instincts.
Social cataclysm planned for centuries ua-cam.com/video/gokv7Htm2kY/v-deo.html
"I was performing". This realization is important for all of us to notice. How often are we seeking validation from others by just pretending to be something we are not? Where do we find our value? What matters to us?
All these questions are vital to actually make a difference (positively).
The reaction from Africa when asked by Jordan- what were you doing, brought a tear to my eyes. Her truth, conviction, and vulnerability was amazing to see. That was a 100% truth look of a human being from her. What a great episode!!
this woman, Africa, has such a strong presence and with a candid smile the whole time. A typical example of how a person doesnt need to be rude, bossy and with a angry look to get their views heard and understood. Thanks for this Mikhaila. Your father inspired me and your story is also very compelling. Take care
I found her too empathetic. She was non stop rushing to agree and smile when it was actually time to use a more analytical mode. Very annoying. Just stay silent for a sec, jesus.
@@Sergiuss555 I didnt notice that, I guess when you are with an inspiration face to face it must be hard to be that analytical. I thought she was just a fast thinker and very smart and knowing ahead of the topics they are discussing. Plus the level of respect she has for both of them. Anyways, I thought she could speak even more as it is normal to see Jordan taking the conversation ( because everyone wants to listen to what he has to say )
@@Sergiuss555 that's how jeebus was
@@ravelbt7396 several times she would smile and hang after a question, " that's a really good question... uhm.. mhm..". That's not what a fast thinker would do.
@@EvaLasta no wonder Jeebus ended up the way he did with that attitude.
jordan peterson has been a father figure to me
James brown has been a father figure to me
Tori Amos has been a mother figure to me
@@ninjabanana130 oh man tori amos !!! i used to secretly listen to her all the time lol
He’s been a father figure to so many. What an amazing man 💙🙏💙
I have an uncle who speaks very much like JP does except he's also an expert of British navel history.
I've been a spending a lot more time with him recently and I've learned so much
So basically is Mikhaila is our sister .
Africa is so beautiful, I am so proud of her Sobriety she has so much to offer humanity, as does the Peterson's. This has been the best pod cast I've ever seen. Rogan needs to take lessons.
Rogans rogans is a slightly different flavor
Wym?
I love the father, daughter formatted podcast. Super interesting to see how alike you two are, yet different in some ways. Excellent podcast so far!
I’m from the uk and live in Manchester, I’ve never heard of Africa before. Loved her story and outlook on life. She is also very beautiful!
Got me^
@@lukej8532 I had a feeling I opened myself up for that one when I posted it 😁
I can completely understand how you feel when you get to hear about how your work impacts others Dr. Peterson. I'm a graduate student who is a TA in chemistry, and when I leave the classroom, I'm sometimes brought to tears because of how little support my students get from everyone that isn't me. I had a student tell me that no one ever told him that he could do math except me. It's a really profound thing to be able to touch someone else's life just by doing the work you do. I love that about teaching.
Third entry, sorry.
Africa gave soooooo much in this podcast. Her level of authenticity, transparency and straight up heart is of the chart! Rarely, do I see this level of courage, steadfastness and poise. Very good. Of course, I will savor this again in a few days and glean more goodness.
Psalm 27:13-" I would have lost heart, had I not believed that I would see the goodness of God in the land of the living!"
Thank you for this. 💜
Amen.
My Husband has been trying to be a better person...this brought him to tears!! He is really working on it! Watches Jordan's videos every day❤
What about you?
Awesome!!!!
Your Dad is my Hero. Since I started listening to him in 2020, his voice has been part of my daily routine. I can honestly tell you I am almost 40(Cameroonian leaving and working in Cote d'Ivoire) and doing my masters now and I have never read an entire book but I bought your Dad's books (which are the first books I have ever bought to read for fun) and have listened to 2 already within the last 3 months which is unthinkable from me. He is a blessing to many. As for me he, has changed my life entirely. I pray his health gets better and many more years is all I pray he lives with us as he is mentor to many.
Jordan Peterson is a gift to our world and to humanity. Loved the podcast, love all three of you. Africa is the embodiment of poise and elegance and eloquence. Thank you for your brilliance!
Hear, hear to all of this
@Darren Maybe, maybe not. Maybe this video will soften your heart ua-cam.com/video/al42EwsRMCo/v-deo.html
@Darren I agree he needs to clean his own room finally, throwing away all these things you name here. it is about time he bows his head before the cross. I have no right to condemn him, since it took me way too long to finally see God is my end destination, but I pray the whispering voice of God will get an overwhelming one for him also.
Jordan, though I realize how tough it is.. we need you more then ever. This philosophy and your wholesome yet unfaltering truth has brought me peace. We need to continue to spread the word.
@mikhaila Peterson. My story is not unique, and I realize your handle is not authentic. Though It would be cool if Jordan read this.
I was working imports during the pandemic. Tesla imports out of LA and Oakland mostly. The job paid very well and was hard to leave.
Though I was working 16 hour days and eventually burnt out.
The problem is.. after a few months without the job, I was still unhappy. It was easy to blame the job, but I eventually realized that the unhappiness was internal.
Jordan's philosophy has given me hope. I was always interested in Psychology and majored in the subject at one point. Eventually I finished in business because it was more practical.
I thought a break without responsibility was what I needed, but responsibility is now what I crave.
Thank you for the nudge of encouragement and guilt free ambition. I often felt guilt in moving up the ranks instead of my minority counterparts. I honestly didn’t realize it until recently.
I will no longer feel guilty for my success and will strive to become the best.
I didn’t realize how much I was holding back because of my “privilege.”
Paraphrasing what you told Joe Rogan “People think you should be a pacifist, but no, you need to be a monster. Ruthlessly ambitious and learn how to control it."
I feel like that is what we are missing as men these days because we are taught to suppress.
My goal moving forward is to be a monster with nothing holding me back.
Love open dialogue conversations like these, it’s clear the establishment really doesn’t want these kind of conversations to go on though, they will continue to gas light and divide us. But man how beautiful it is when people look at themselves as an individual rather than part of a group
This conversation moved me to tears. Dr. Peterson, I'd like to echo Africa's words from 53:08-55:00. I also had to shake off a history of reflexive political over-identification. In 2018 I significantly changed the direction of my life. To paraphrase terms I learned from you, my life wasn't manifesting as richly as I knew it could, so I changed what I was aiming at. Your lectures and your book, Maps of Meaning, were my rock. Thank you.
Ek se jou! Somehow hes shown us how the spirituality and the foundations of the bible can be see throughout everything in life...and hes weirdly reminding poeple of that way of thaught ..truly amazing.
Same here! I confronted myself... didn't like some of what I saw . Still working on some of those things, but in the right direction. 🤘🇺🇸🇷🇺
Same here! A couple chapters of his forced me to confront my problem with alcohol (that I had been denying for years). Now almost 2 years sober. In addition to that I found some more 'aim' in my sobriety that has paid dividends, and it's made me much more open to ideas and listening. All thanks to this crazy Nazi.
Mikhaila is outstanding. Absolutely love her as much as her dad. She's been through it all . This podcast is One of My Favorites . Africa is amazingly bright and honest
People give her a lot of shit, but she seems like the supportive daughter every dad would be thankful for having.
@@falkyrie5228 I wish my daughters would talk to me but they are in the cult.
Bahahaha cognitively checked out. I love it
@@suisidewinder something off about her
@@bennichols561 I hope your problems regarding that gets solved some day chief💪
Africa is beautiful beyond reach…inside and out. Kudos to her for finding her individual voice and having the courage and strength to let it sing!
Not to be objectifying but it's honestly unfair that someone that beautiful looking is also wildly intelligent and saturated in integrity. Like it's a bit unnecessary how much she's got going for her.
Africa is so beautiful mentally and physically. I’ve been watching this channel for a long time and I was hoping to see more woman of color and my goodness what a great representation. Africa and Jordan’s interaction at the end was so sincere and genuine, it was one of the most human moments I’ve seen in a long time.
Well said, sincere and genuine. It is so great observing people having such deep and meaningful dialogue.
Mikhaila has been getting more and more great guests.
Exactly what I was going to say! She's so beautiful both mentally and physically! She's mesmerizing, so calm and well-spoken.
Dr. Peterson, you are my one and only hero. You are such a beautiful human being. You really gave me hope and reassurance. Your humble humility is unparralel. I really enjoyed being introduced to Africa. I thank you Mikhaila!
Humble humility eh? Bahah
@@marcies1297 it is pretty redundant.
@@gregg6398 cringe
@@marcies1297 snowflake
I teared up when Jordan teared up... damn... we're so flippant sometimes with the power of words especially on social media. It's intense! I think one of the last questions that Africa spoke on, answering Jordan's inquiry about how she knew the second round of affirmations were correct, was because she was speaking her truth without an agenda besides just saying what was on her heart. She gave herself freedom, but didn't just keep it for herself. She reached out and allowed others to exhale too. Brilliant episode! 💖
Africa is one of those people that give me hope for the future.
Problem is it takes intelligence and the willingness do go against your own tribe/belief's. And if intelligence was normal we would not be where we are.
I have hope for the future, but i believe that the world have to burn a little, before everyone will understand.
@Andy Mann Once again, you talk in color, I to people. Your doing your absolute best to label everything racist. All your doing is make more racist's by doing so. Not to mention what you are saying makes no sense.
@Andy Mann I did not mention race, i mentioned tribe. Your tribe, group of people. Tribalism. It have nothing to do with your race. And your statements are so random i don't even understand what your trying to say with it.
@@OrkanKurter he is an extreme left troll. Ignore him. He is here to sow hate and hate only.
Dude
Almost seven years sober here, started over dozens of times
I applaud your willingness to tell your story and it’s desperately needed in these crazy times.
Nothings been more glaring in these past two years than how easily our minds can lie to us and how desperate one can be to cling to those beliefs, including and up to the point of death
Edit: y’alls comments lol, I was just relating to the guest.
There’s no way I could’ve gone sober on my own. Jesus said that His burden is easy and His yoke is light, so I took Him at His Word. I haven’t had a drink since.
@@CerealDust-nStuff why does Christianity allow drinking alcohol out of curiosity
@@TamjidChoudhury-v8z - The Bible states that drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Galatians 5:21 and 1 Corinthians 6:10
@@CerealDust-nStuff there is a difference between drinking and being a drunk.
@@TamjidChoudhury-v8z because it promotes personal responsibility and not control of others.
Mr. Peterson, thank you sir for your commitment to improving humanity. My late husband would always say that there is always room for improvement. You are truly a gift to all of us. I can't remember the first video I saw you, however, what you were speaking about resonated with me. I shared the video with my daughter and we are huge fans. More importantly, we have learned so much from you. So again, I thank you, we thank you! In my humble opinion, the world is better because you were born! GOD bless you and your family. 🙏❤
"Let me just sit with that for a second"
This is the first time I've heard Africa speak, my goodness she's a breath of fresh air. You can tell right from the offset in the way she speaks that she was influenced by Jordan. Love all 3 of the humans in this interview!
Yeah, Mikhaila had to be host or at the back on this one, but we’ll hear more from her next time. I really like how Jordan validates Mikhaila’s and Africa’s experiences. They did the same for him when Africa said she was waiting for something wrong with Jordan that didn’t happen. Wonderful people.
What we need now are more conversations with people of opposing views that are prepared to talk honestly, without it becoming a slugfest.
Moop...Right! I like the fact that two or three times she actually paused before answering a question. Rare to see that on social media today. Thanks.
Yeah very sexy..
@@Torsdagskvallsmys What? Please explain why Africa's comments need to be interpreted as sexual values. Thanks.
@@alanappel1888 lol, 😅
It’s so beautiful how Jordan let himself feel those feelings and how Africa held space for that. You can tell that she would’ve quietly sat there for as long as he needed. Every time we feel our feelings we heal a little more but so often the people around us are uncomfortable by it and try to make the other person snap out of it sooner
So true, i even caught myself wanting to rescue him and then appreciating the maturity and power in her "allowing" him to be vulnetable and how her respect and compassion for him radiated out in a profound touching way. Experience sitting with her own discomfort shone through. Beautiful!
im a zimbabwean girl and me watching this has opened my mind even more and made me realise that im not alone in this circle and the way i think i not wrong thank you for this
I love the spaces allowed for pauses and silences within the conversion. Dignity, and the honoring of the experience between you all was obvious and beautiful.
I’ve been following Africa ever since she released her letter. Her introspective skills and humility are very inspirational. I’m glad you had her on the channel!
Do you know if she has influenced others like her?
@@dude8223 Well Africa said she has influenced people. Though here in South Africa our corrupt socialist race baiting party African National Congress (ANC) needs to be exposed to Africa Brooke.
@@dude8223 And Thomas Sowell whom is 90, written over 40 books.
@Ibo Robotnik I am Caucasian not white. I do not support her, to support someone requires action. I do agree, and I am just glad that there are alot of black ppl who are intelligent enough that even though they are forced into this cult, have the backbone to stand against it when they realize what's been done to them. I feel the same way for any person of any race that has been manipulated into beleiveing cultists propaganda, and even though all of their peers, everything they read, their family, what they watch, their music ect ect backs up their cultists beleif system, they still find the courage to stand against it and say, NO, it Is a lie. It is one of the greatest forms of heroism there is.
There is a famous picture of hundreds of men saluting Hitler. In the middle is one man, arms crossed, refusing to do so. He is alone and has no reason to oppose everyone. He can blend in with the crowd and hide by saluting.But he chooses to protest. He is the only one not saluting.
Perhaps you have seen avengers, when Loki stands over a crowd and forces them to kneel. All but 1, a old man stands up against him, and others follow.
Others will follow Africa also... and that's what frightens you.
Where can I find this letter?
I like the silence that follows a question. The tell tail sign that the people were listening and contemplating an answer.
Awe, God bless Jordan Peterson 🙏🏾 He’s such a sweet man, so honest and deeply concerned with the betterment of people; ALL people, men, women, black,white and everyone in between. I also appreciate Africa’s very thoughtful experience, a very rich and timely discussion. We need more of these exchange of ideas, it was very enriching to watch. I think this needed to be a longer conversation. Thank you Mikalah for facilitating this discussion.
I was introduced to Dr. Petersons lectures right after we almost lost our son. He has lifted so many up and keeps reminding us how to stay strong while facing our darkest moments. He is a blessing to us all. This was lovely to watch.
So sorry for your loss.
I'm not normally a pathetic simp... but dear god... Africa.... words cannot describe such beauty.
My heart broke when I started to see his eyes get shiny. God bless all of you amazing people. 🕊️🦋✨🙏🏻
Africa is so well spoken and so glad to have a new voice for our generation
Originally started listening to this on Spotify but ended up watching the rest here. What a great topic of discussion. I love that Africa really sits with the questions too.
I am so happy I watched this video . I don’t think I have ever related to anyone as much as I do to Africa . The idea that you need to conform because of your identity has been something I’ve been battling for years now and this video really gave me a little release to truly becoming who I want to be without having to feel like a traitor to my people . Thank you .
That is Beautiful, Mojisola!! I'm so happy for you!
@Andy Mann That's a baffling comment. What makes you think she wants to "fulfill white male desire"?
I'm a woman and I don't. There are over 108 million female adults in the US. Spoiler alert -- we don't all think alike.
'My people'? All humans are our people....best of luck to you, we are all struggling with internal and external influences trying to live a life based on live and truth...
@@pamelaclarke5062 it would be nice to live in a world where it is true that we are all “our people” but in the world that is reality there is tribalism and race exists .
@@AbrasiveYouth I think it can still go both ways. The people of your race ARE your people, and the people beyond that are also still your people. 😊
I m never tired of turning myself to a student again when listening to Jordan Peterson
Such wisdom. How privileged we are to be able to listen to this. Thank you all.
I always enjoy when Jordan reflects then sums up in his words what someone else just said and why....because the person he is summing up then nods with a big smile and says...that is exactly right as if Jordan understands the person better than that person knows themselves.
he know how to articulate someone else's feelings and thoughts, he's brilliant!
@@gu5589 To truly listen is to be open to the possibility of having to suffer cognitive dissonance. This is why the first moral virtue is moral courage,.. without which none of the other virtues are possible at all. But the necessary second moral virtue is humility,.. and moral courage and humility are experienced as being in an immediate visceral conflict with each other,.. and yet, so essential to each other also. Nathanial Brandan had an adage that _in order to think clearly we must feel deeply_ that I have often found to be helpful.
That's a good psychotherapist for you. They reflect back what you say so you know you've been heard. So validating.
@@gu5589 right?! And I really _truly_ tried to understand his critics that say he speaks a lot of nothing, but I’m yet to see anything that even resembles ‘word salad’ (and it’s been years I watch the man)
In fact I don’t think I ever understood a scholar quite so well before, as he’s great at simplifying really complex ideas that even someone who has a terrible time putting their thoughts (and English) together like me can grasp.
I learned about this technique in counseling. It was called active listening. A very important skill in relationships.
Dr Peterson is one of my favorite people. Hands down. So much respect for him. And for Africa, what a lovely soul.
Jordan is adorable, he cries when people tell him how much he's helped them. AWW honestly what a man. My personal favourite thing I take away from Jordan's lectures are to always be self critical in ways that strive for positive development. I'm young (20s) and have so much to learn about the world and myself but I love that Jordan is one of the voices of reason in this day and age because unlike some he says what he does out of his seeking of truth, not to hurt people. Also also lately been looking at Mikhaila's content, smart and on the same search for truth, amazing!! much love to you all cheers!!
What a freaking beautiful woman. How fabulous was this? FANTASTIC. I love when father and daughter do shared podcasts. And what content! One of your best. Thank you, all three of you.
I turned 70 this summer, and all this social justice has wearied and downright frightened me into a depression. I grew up with America being the melting pot of the World. The shining city on the hill. Now it is all these groups fighting and hating each other, bring out the worst in all of us.
This beautiful, graceful, articulate woman, Africa Brooke has given me some hope that we will turn the corner and concentrate on our similarities and raise each other up. All this tribalism is not good for America and the Western cultlures. We the West are the freedom on the planet and if we fail where are we to go?
Mikhaila thank you for this candid interview. Mr Peterson, know that you are beloved by so many and more importantly you have contributed immensely to humanity.
To be clear, America was NEVER a melting pot. That’s the point and why so many marginalized people are speaking out.
@@moniquesmith5186 I think "melting pot" was simply an imperfect metaphor. "Salad bowl" or "stew" would've been better, where different people can all be part of one single, wonderful thing. 🤷🏾♀️
I'm mixed race, and if I'd been born here at other points in history, my life would've been much worse than that of my white friends. But I love America, because over the centuries, it's been steadily progressing towards "a more perfect union" even though it's not perfect -- because NO nation ever CAN be perfect.
I've lived in some very worse countries! Many Americans haven't. All they know is what it's like to live here. Here, where a wealthy young woman of color can stand on the Yale campus -- where annual admission costs more than many people around the world will ever earn in a lifetime -- and scream, in apparently genuine horror: _"WE'RE DYING HERE!"_ . . . and why?
All because a professor had issued an email advising students to be thoughtful when choosing their Halloween costumes. 🤦🏾♀️ The very existence of a term like "micro-aggressions" shows how much less problematic America is, compared to many other countries, and many other periods in American history.
I've experienced racism, I was even falsely arrested (which was both infuriating and frightening) when something went missing, and I was targeted because I was the only person there who wasn't white.
But I know how united we CAN be. In 2001 a good friend of mine was killed on 9/11 and I worked recovery at the WTC Site with American co-workers who were like me and unlike me -- white, black, asian, Indian. . . Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, agnostic. . . male, female, gay, straight, married, single. . . and so many different ages.
But we were all Americans, working together. That's what this country CAN be at heart, like JoBisbee said, "the shining city on the hill". ❤️🇺🇸
So glad Mr. Peterson is back. He much needed for all people. Thank you
Africa gave voice to some of the thoughts I've had about the (woke movement) in the past year. I can't thank you enough Africa Brooke, Jordan and Mikhail Peterson for this insightful and eye opening conversation...
This is the first I’ve heard of Africa Brooke (yes I live under a rock), 15min in and I already love her. I’m so thankful for her, and can’t wait to listen to her more!
She is very calm and graceful. It's lovely.
Africa Brooke- I can't even begin to find the words to tell you how amazing and beautiful it is to hear you speak from such an honest, vulnerable (meaning incredibly strong) and open place. I can feel the deep truth, the surrender in you, that place of surrendering the ego, to break open the deepest aspect of your highest self, your biggest truths. Thank you for going there, through all of it.... the addiction, the pain, the self examination, the honesty, the admitting of "wrongs" to show this amazing example of what true strength and freedom is. Its HARD to step back and own it. We are all in that same boat, one planet, one mind. Thank you for being the example that humanity needs so badly. You are so brave and strong. I will share your story and continue do my best each day to also be that example for the people in my life. Many blessings to you. Your authenticity is the most beautiful thing I have come across in a long while. Peace be with you sister. 🙏🏼💜
As someone from London, after this interview, given an opportunity, I’m voting for Africa as the next London Major, followed by prime minister. She’s so eloquent, well-spoken, intelligent and compassionate.
i.e. completely unqualified for those jobs. Sadly
When Dr. Peterson made reference to Pinocchio once again I actually cried. His analysis are so powerful and it brought me memories of a healthier time, when he was at University giving those lucky students some life-changing courses in person.
Thanks so much for this podcast Mikhaila. God bless you all 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I love his analysis of Pinocchio, it has given me such insights wrt myself and guided me while raising my two young boys .
@@user-fu1nw7kh2h That does not surprise me. I'm thinking of implementing some of that good Pinocchio knowledge when I have kids of my own! :D
The journeys, the words, the tears flowing here... what a beautiful and powerful moment. I cry with you soul family and thank you each for all that you are. The heart will win... Scarred yes, but it will.
The world is a better place with Jordan Peterson in it. I saw the clip you posted on Twitter and can’t wait to watch the whole thing. Bless you folks. 🙏🏼
When JP cries…. 🥺🥺🥺. Gets me EVERY time. Love you JP!!!
I absolutely love Africa. I would love to see her speak. She seems like a woman that seeks objective truth.
Thank you for having such a profound interview. I appreciate you, your father and Africa for having the courage to stand in your full integrity. May truth and love always lead the way.
“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s”
“ If you render unto Caesar what belongs to God, then Caesar becomes your god.”
No truer word were ever spoken
Caesar owned nor created nothing in this world that did not already exist, as all before and since. We can only create children, nothing else. Nothing belongs to Caesar, all belongs to God.
I believe that Jesus, was linking the image language from Genesis. We are made in God's image. Currency/taxes and the other systems in the world have to be reckoned with but we as human beings carry the image of God. We should therefore act out the will of who we represent. "Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly before your God." Micah 6:8
@Slash Ireland Wow... I think this is the first time I see a reply miss the point of the original post completely, and prove it right anyway...
@@SlashIreland And there it is...the greater truth. Really well done Slash!
The souls on this panel are so beautiful and authentic and honest..gives me hope for all of us 🙏🏻
when Jordan talks about the Marvel comic you can see how much he's been hurt by it. And understandably so, imagine being vilified in the public domain in such a vile manner? Must be horrible which would take it's toll on the strongest of us. Jordan and Mikhaila, please know that the open minded free thinking people - much like Africa, we know who Jordan is and have nothing but respect for him! :)
please. If it makes Jordan feel better it is a modern Marvel comic. Nobody bought that hot garbage.
Imagine spending decades studying the worst ideologies of communism and fascism, and spending a long time trying to prevent that, only to be vilified as a fascist. I can't imagine the sheer hurt it did to him.
Well hell.....I thought pretty much everyone saw that as the hilarious ironic thing it was. I hate that it got to him...
@JP Muguira Oh look a troll. How avant garde.
@@JoshDTech I think Jordan's hurt emotional reaction to that comic comes from his 'innocence' if you can call it that, that someone would deliberately give him a character that is so vile; for him it was not a joke, especially because he knows the effect of social media. People will run with it, believe it, perpetuate it....I find it astonishing that he and his family managed to turn it around and even make it into a fundraising thing! And the following is a good example of that power of these electronic devices and social media, did you know that the children's charity they offered the money to first, did not want to accept it because he is deemed "right wing fascist, neo Nazi" etc.?
What a beautiful conversation ❤ We need to not give up on one another. It's open, caring conversations like this that will reach those who are struggling internally with these social issues and change hearts and minds ❤
When Jordon cries I cry. I can really feel his humility & gratitude.
All my life I have seen people in groups, following leaders,
Somehow managed mostly to be my own leader.
Thank you very much for being so outspoken for all of us.
Thank you for your courage sir.