Star Trek (2009) Is a Masterpiece | RETROSPECTIVE (1 of 2)
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2020
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Pre watch comment: Say what you want about JJ but everything surrounding kirk's dad and how he was captain for 12 minutes is emotional gold.
Quite possibly the best opening sequence in any movie, ever.
I’m pretty young, and actually watched Star Trek: Into Darkness as my first taste of Star Trek. Yep, the second film in the reboot series. Don’t kill me, hardcore trekkies.
And I loved it. I had barely any idea who the characters were at the start, but by the time I got to Kirk’s death I was literally shouting at my tv. Admittedly it was probably partly because I’m gay and was deeply starved for content, and the attempted hand touch with Spock crying was like...one of the gayest things i’ve seen in cinema.
After loving into darkness, I pirated the first one and also loved it. Young Jim Kirk was iconic, as was young Spock. The drama and humour and emotion was a blast.
I watch the original series now mostly as comfort TV, and I love it. I have an admitted soft spot for ludicrous sixties tv (og man from uncle, anyone?) and I think that it’s a great show, if obviously dated. So I’d say the new films definitely got new fans into Star Trek.
Don't remember the gay subtext but the rest is my story too. I've only seen into darkness and rather liked it myself.
I agree with you. Without the reboot, I fear ST would have died, without the new influx of fans JUST LIKE YOU.
I also agree with Jesse, they NAILED casting! The new actors GOT and did the basic characterization through to the next incantation, regardless of situation or trivial surrounding facts. It's like they bothered to watch the original series to see who they were supossed to be playing a new younger version of.
People say William Shatners Kirk is totally different than Pine's, I don't see that.
I mean of course the actor is different, Pine isn't go to imitate Shatner's version, he's doing Kirk not Shatner. I think he nails Kirk spot on. As do all the actors with the exception of Uhura.
Idk why they changed her. Uhura has TONS of background in TOS cut scenes and especially the novels. The new personality is totally a different a new character with a completely different nature.
But the humor is good, the cgi is fantastic, the ship is beautiful!! It's quick paced and action packed. Because they started a new time line, Canon doesn't matter. But a story in every incantation shouldn't abuse a lure just so writers can be lazy and change the world of Trek in the name of their ego maniacal story.
Not at all like season 2 of PICARD. (Gags and retches)
You survived the whole video wearing a red shirt. Congrats!
That shows Jessie's skillset
I totally expected Jessie to die before the end of the video after seeing the first frame!
@@CSHallo jessie is too skilled and cute to die in a red shirt
I hope Jesse is leading my away team.
@@NateOlson with jessie leading the team it will be the funest away mission ever
I'm fairly certain the novelization of Star Trek (2009) includes a mention of Porthos showing up randomly in one of Enterprise's transporters.
I think the timeline seems wrong for it to be porthos. I haven't seen it in a long time but they said 'admiral archer's prize begal' not porthos. By that time porthos would have long crossed the rainbow bridge. Maybe Porthos' great great great grandson?
I really enjoyed the 2009 Star Trek, and it returned to Irish Netflix recently so I watched it again, and it mostly holds up. It's a bit of a mess narratively and it jumps though a load of hoops to get everyone to where they wanted them to be. But it looks great, the dialogue is fun, the action is enjoyable, and the cast is just about perfect.
The plot doesn't make any sense. Nero has a MINING ship that can destroy all of Star Fleet - why hasn't he gone back to Romulus with this amazing technology? Why was he after Spock, just because Spock failed? Why did he destroy Vulcan and attempt to destroy Earth? Why didn't he warn Romulus about the eventual supernova that was going to destroy his homeworld?
The next two films were just about as confused and messed up.
The special effects were fine, the actors were decent, but the writing was just horrible and forgettable.
@@fuzzywzhe Some of your complaints were covered by cut scenes - but other ones are actually plot points explicitly detailed in the movie. Like Nero did want revenge on Spock, which is why he destroyed Vulcan and went after Earth. The movie says this explicitly.
@@lorcannagle Nero's desire for revenge on a man that TRIED to save his planet, and FAILED, doesn't make sense.
I don't care what was cut either. The film is the film.
Here, you want to have a conflict that would be more reasonable? Nero travels back in time (in the same way) and ends up when Kirk and crew are already assembled and Prime Spock gets with the Enterprise. Then it's just Nero going after the Enterprise to get Spock Prime while Nimoy is trying to desperately contact the Romulan empire to warn them of the eventual supernova and saves Romulus making the Romulan empire an ally of the Federation 3 centuries earlier.
There, you have your whole new timeline, and everything changes.
You can have all your action sequences you want, and you could even have the Romulan empire trying to stop Nero who is now in hot pursuit of the Enterprise.
I just don't care really any more. It's clear that all they are EVER going to make is just the thinnest of plots to take you from one action sequence to the next.
They just don't care about making a coherent story anymore. I can accept that, but I won't ever pay to see any of these things in a theater, ever again. In fact, I won't even watch them anymore. I just read the plot synopsis somewhere, and I'm done.
I don't know if you've noticed this (but I sure have) - is that 1/2 of the films created today have a synopsis that is so confusing that it's difficult to make sense out of but I can relate to that, because it's hard to write a synopsis when the plot fundamentally makes no sense.
The last film they made was the LEAST worst film, but again, lot of stuff didn't make sense. The villain in that film could have just asked for the McGuffin and probably gotten it, since Kirk was just going to give it away as a token of peace to another race.
I just don't care because the people creating this stuff ALSO don't care. At the end of the day, it's merely a product and nobody is forcing me to buy it.
It's 3 strikes and you're out. It's a 50 year old franchise now. If the movie industry was the way it is now, in 1970, Metropolis 8 would have been in theaters.
@@fuzzywzhe Just because you don't like the explanation for Nero's actions doesn't mean there is no explanation. And like, I agree that cutting exposition from the movie isn't necessarily the best choice, but that's a failure of editing, not of writing.
@@lorcannagle I mean it doesn't make sense, that's all. It's not a reasonable explanation to explain Nero's motivation.
Did you see Prometheus where one guy gets scared of an alien body that's been dead for 2000 years, but minutes later is trying to pet some alien snake?
Just stuff like that ends my suspension of disbelief and it's so common now in modern scripts.
The writing is just poor. You can blame editing but at the end of the day, the writer's name is on it.
I'll never see ANYTHING with Damon Lindelof's name associated with it again.
It's fine if you like these films but to me, it drives me in conniptions of distraction. It used to be on the IMDB you could at least EXPLAIN what was wrong, or get the original script so you could make at least some sense out of the film, you can't even do that anymore.
I think Hollyweird is finished. They won't take input, they attack the fanbase which is SINCERELY trying to help. I mean, people just give up after a point.
Make your lousy films and television series, they aren't even worth spending time on, much less paying money for.
I loved what SF Debris said about the bridge of the 2009 Enterprise.
"If this thing looked any more like the inside of a computer Spock would have to stop saying 'Live Long and Prosper' and start saying 'I fight for the users.'"
Also I forgot to say.....ALL HAIL THE KELVIN TIMELINE FOR ITS ADHERENCE TO OSHA SAFETY STANDARDS 👍
All hail the handrails!
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Based on this video, I revisited this over the weekend. Really want to give a shout out to the Kelvins original Captain as an example of “the best of Starfleet” for how he goes over to Niros ship, and knows he’s probably not coming back, but buying his crew time to escape.
6 am after an all nighter what a finish to a loving day. Keep killing it jessie . Your videos keep getting better
I know Star Trek Into Darkness has issues, but I DO love how they brought back Lieutenant Cupcake and he didn't die, despite being a redshirt.
Also, I laughed WAY too hard on your To Be Continued bit!!! I literally shouted at my phone "😳😳🤯YOU FUKKIN'!!!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thanks, Jessie!
He survives Beyond as well.
@@anotherperson6146 Really!? Well, shit! I'm gonna have to rewatch this! 😁😁
I heard somewhere that Cupcake only survives because they strategically edit out the scenes in which he dies XD
Hot damn, what a great retrospective! Well written, with enough humor, reverence, and fun to choke a cargo hold full of hungry tribbles. It is uploads like this that make me a proud subscriber to this UA-cam channel. 👍🏾
This is just one of those good movies to have with a giant bucket of popcorn and a large soda (which costs more than the ticket price). I love that this was the first ST movie you saw in the theater. I actually stood hours on line for the very first ST movie which came out on my birthday in 1979.......yeah, thanks for making me feel so old, girl........LOL!
If Kirk's dad had known the Holdo maneuver the rest of the movie would have been way different.
Interesting hearing the millennial's viewpoint on the film. And a non-toxic viewpoint at that.
My first star trek film was on VHS shortly after it came out, TWOK. My first theatre experience with star trek was STVI, which was huge for me because of the low expectations that STV left us. Generations... well it was a special experience in the theatre because it was essentially an average two part next gen episode. It felt like letting the whole world in on what we as fans had been watching for 7 years. First Contact remains my second favorite star trek experience. If you ask me First Contact is almost as much a departure stylistically to the franchise at the time as Star Trek 2009 would be. But it was universally embraced and enjoyed. The contrast in reactions between first contact and ST2009 is a good example of how toxic the fanbase has become.
I'm not as fond of 2009 as you are, probably because I frankly am not that fond of the original cast of characters. I may have been weaned on TOS, I grew up in the early 80's watching TOS re-runs. But TNG is where my heart is.
I went to the theatre and re-watched 2009 just a few days ago in IMAX. The film is better than I remembered it, this was probably the first time since 2010 that I've seen it. It's far less jarring stylistically today than it was in 09 and as a result it is aging really well.
@@claytonberg721 "non-toxic viewpoint" = someone who agrees with me
@@Reggie1408 Or someone who is a total and utter moron. It's one thing for someone to say why they don't like something, it's another to be stupid. Like saying that star trek is in trouble, never mind the fact that CBS keeps greenlighting new shows and ordering more seasons of supposedly failing content.
People are free to say whatever the hell they want and I'm free to not listen to it. Most of the facebook groups are full of simpletons doing little more than quoting the thumbnail of midnight edge videos. There is an upper limit to the number of times I can hear 'your an idiot' because I like tilly.
Been going through your Star Trek videos and decided to watch Star Trek (2009) as one of my gum graft recovery movies so I could watch this one.
First of, that opening with the Kelvin...I knew what was going to happen, I know how it makes me feel. I cried. All my mental preparedness and I was still weeping as I watch Chris Hemsworth realize he had to stay on the bridge and, with virtually no hesitation, jump right into the fight. Watching him shoot the torpedoes, prioritizing saving all of the shuttles. The actions are heroic but what really, really makes to powerful is the ongoing conversation between him and his in-labor wife. The build up as they're rushing to shuttle, then the labor pain screams that switches to the score where the music carries the struggle for both of them, then when the conversation comes back. Both of them are so happy for seconds and then those final "I love you"s as it all comes to an end. It is a beautiful moment in cinema. Just, so well constructed. Everything in it works so well.
26:39 to add another detail for the Kobiyashi Maru, which I only noticed this time around, in the simulation, Kirk has Ahura alert medical to receive the crew and only uses one torpedo per vessel in order to destroy the enemy ships in order to save ammo within the simulation. When it comes to the end, Kirk offers his enemy to be saved from their predicament and then orders Sulu to fire all they have on the enemy ship after Nero turns him down. It's a small thing, but I like the dichotomy between Kirk in a simulation where he has full control versus Kirk in a real scenario where he does not control the outcome.
28:01 Another detail that is easy to ignore but is mentioned a few times; the actual fleet was away in a different sector ( don't recall the exact name, something with an L) which is why the Enterprise and other newer vessels were sent to Vulcan. Star Fleet sent all available ships in order to assist with a planet wide evacuation should the seismic activity prove to require it. Later on, Spock reasons that the best course of action is to regroup with the entire Fleet in order to combat Nero, while Kirk disagrees on the basis that taking that action would put them to far behind Nero to stop him. This disagreement is what gets Kirk removed from the bridge and then removed from the Enterprise.
29:13 okay, agree on the big monster thing. I think JJ did mention wanting it to keep the action level high, trying to emulate Star Wars the Original Star Wars' sense of nonstop action, jumping from bad situation to bad situation. Scotty in the shoot actually was what alerted Spock to Kirk being back on the Enterprise, so Kirk had to engage with Spock from a position of disadvantage, creating more tension as to how Kirk was going to convince Spock he was emotionally compromised. And, on that note, Spock's decision to completely remove Kirk from the ship instead of just putting him in the bridge is an illogical decision, which actually fits with Spock being emotionally compromised.
Loved hearing your perspective! This film holds a special place in my heart because it was my first real intro to Star Trek and I fell in love with the trilogy. Then Discovery came out and I loved that too! I love how you're one of the people that says you don't have to watch everything to be a Star Trek fan
Didn't know where to put this, so I'm going to put it here. I just wanted you to know the only reason I canceled my Patreon membership is BC the extra $600/week UI stopped. As soon as they renew the extra help, I'll become a Patreon again. Luckily, I can survive on the $600/month I'm getting from the state UI. I really hope they pass something soon, most people can't survive on this little money.
Hey Kristi, I saw that you went went down on patreon. THat's 100000%. ok. As they say, please always take care of yourself first, that's always the most important thing. Your support is incredibly helpful, but I never want it at the expense of your own personal well-being.
One-time I was chatting up a woman at a bar that I had met previously when I went with a group to watch this movie. While introducing me to the friends she was with she said that we had me when she went to see "Star Wars" I said, "it was Star Trek" and then she said, "same thing" and all attraction and interest that I had felt disappeared.
I love the lens flares too
I have fond memories of Star Trek (2009) because it was the first outing I was invited to after moving to a new school in a new state when I was in 8th grade. I vaguely knew about Star Trek before that, but that was definitely what made me more aware of the series as a whole. Great video as always; your channel is the biggest reason I decided to get back into Star Trek in the last few months!
I could totally see Archer breeding or cloning more beagles all named Porthos just because the man can't live without his dog.
This movie was what reminded me of just how much I love Star Trek. The reaction to seeing the Enterprise overwhelmed me and gave me a lovely shiver. It spoke to me in a way that seeing the Falcon didn't. And I do love SW, but ST is just... So much more for me.
In regards to the film itself, it's fine - it's fun, it feels like Star Trek to me, Karl Urban's Bones is out of this world, Chris Pine makes a great more introspective and yet more rash Kirk. I like how it is in effect in its own universe so they can play around with the lore and have people in different but similar places. Like the Spock/Uhura romance, it's a new dynamic and deepens both characters - plus its not exactly groundbreaking having a human fall in love with a Vulcan, and vice versa, at this point there's at least twice this has happened, Spock being the product of one of those times.
I think having Simon Pegg playing a Scottish version of Simon Pegg actually works well for Scotty. Scotty, and I love him as a character and a performance don't get me wrong, was fake as anything. I love the story that James Doohan just thought an engineer should sound Scottish, so put on the accent and that's the character from then on - but it was a very over the top unrealistic performance, almost like Scotty had found out about his Scottish ancestry at some point and decided he was going to sound Scottish. If you'd had someone come in and just recreate the performance, it wouldn't have worked, if you'd had someone come in who was naturally Scottish, that wouldn't have worked either. I think Simon Pegg putting on a Scottish accent, and yet not doing a perfect impersonation of James Doohan is the only way it could have worked. More or less would have both been wrong.
Lastly, the whole ship sizes thing - I got nothing. That bit just doesn't work for me, and it may be that I'm a stick in the mud. I'm used to a certain scale, and certain progress among the Enterprises. I quite liked that this nimble underpowered ship that used to be the flagship, and main workhorse of the Federation was tiny in comparison to its successors. Now somehow it's bigger. It's one of the things I think Discovery did better, in so far as they had the Enterprise turn up and it was pretty similar to its source, but with modernised touches, which I can accept. Then again, a good retcon to me, on something like this anyway, is that these were always like that, just due to limits of the time it couldn't be shown.
Overall, I enjoy these movies a lot, and am really hoping we see more at some point, but I feel that as more time passes the less likely the cast will be able to get back together. Though to be fair, they could easily skip ahead a bit, and move the story into the phase we see in the original movies, where Kirk is now an admiral, Spock a captain, and the story contrives to keep bringing the same crew back together, even though many are in different places on different ships. Moving on to a new phase might move past this idea that they needed to bring back his father, or bring in Shatner - which were ideas that were floated that just struck me as trying to find gimmicks to sell whatever story they could find, rather than having a passion to tell a new story.
As always, great video, and as always sorry for the long reply. Thank you.
Jessie: Whole lot of coincidences
Me: *shrugs* Q did it?
My biggest shocks when seeing this is the theater were: I didn't know I would need Kleenex and man, Dr. McCoy is hot!
This was your first cinematic _Trek_ ?! Lucky you, mine was _Nemesis_ . I wanted to see this when it came out because it starred an actor I, uh, liked, but was wary b/c of my experience with _Nemesis_ . Ended up falling in love with it. Saw it twice in the cinemas. Pre-ordered the DVD. Fifteen years on, I have a nigh-on parental love for it, and try to watch it on a regular basis. I just fucking love this film, man. It's my child, even if I didn't have a part in creating it.
It's good to see someone defending this movie! It was my entry point into Star Trek and man what an entry point it was. It's still one of my favorite Trek movies and I love it so much for how well it sold me on Trek back when I was 15 and struggling to get into it. Without this movie I don't know that I ever would have given Voyager or TNG or TOS a shot and I def would have been missing out on a lot of fantastic stuff that has only made my life better. (Also I would have missed out on Lower Decks, or at least not gotten any of the jokes and that would have sucked lol)
I'm also glad I'm not the only one who was frustrated/let down by Into Darkness, and I would love to see you really tear into it if you ever decide to. I would also love to see your take on Beyond since, while I don't know if it was as "good" as Star Trek '09 It's def my favorite of the trilogy. I also would recommend reading the novelization of the '09 movie, it's really well written and goes into a lot of detail about stuff the movie didn't have time for. I probably re-read it more often than I re-watch the film itself lol
Anyway your videos are fun and refreshing and I can't wait to watch the one on Voyager you just uploaded! Keep up the fantastic work, you and your channel are awesome!
Thank you for all the kind words ❤️❤️ also, if you’re looking for my thoughts on Into Darkness, check back on next Friday 😊
I'll have to admit, I have not seen this film since 2009. I think I'll rent it tonight and watch. Thank you for doing this video.
Go on CBS online and watch it free.
In canada it's playing in the landmark theatre chain starting tonight. I'm going on tuesday or wed.
@@claytonberg721 I will say, with a number of the visuals, that's it's a better watch on a movie screen.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs Yeah it may not sound like it but the movies are a decent way to social distance, there's usually hardly anyone in the theatre, half the theatre is blocked off and with reserve seating if I buy my ticket a few minutes before the show starts I can pick somewhere to sit a long ways from everyone else.
Not even close to being a Masterpiece but I’m glad it gave renewed life to Trek.
I just finished watching the film again. I haven't sat down and watched this movie since 2009 when it came out. Since then, I've watched all of Star Trek. All of it. Before that I'd only seen bits and pieces. It's interesting the things I notice now, the small flaws and inaccuracies, but also the way it quickly and easily gets new viewers up to speed. Like, Sarek sitting with Spock and explaining Vulcan emotional control early in the film, it's easily the most perfect, succinct explanation of the whole Vulcan deal I've ever heard and I know now for sure why Vulcans never confused me while I watched the rest of the series, because this film already gave me the right grounding. Truly, Star Trek '09 is a pretty great place to start for any new fan getting into Star Trek.
I don't recall how many times I watched this show. That music. That opening scene. Kirk's swagger, McCoy and Spock. It was epic. I swear I watched it 3 times on a long flight from Singapore to LA - it was so good. I have it now on BluRay and UHD. Now I must go watch this again after seeing your retrospective
I feel the need to point out, that Porthos is very much alive, he shows up on the transporter pad of the enterprise at the end of the novelization.
My thoughts on this are similar to what SF Debris said in their review. It's okay. The worst thing about it is Nero had the potential to be the most interesting villain in Star Trek since Khan if you look at the prequel comic. All they needed to do was put some of that in the movie and Nero would have worked. But they didn't. The other really glaring thing about this film is Kirk doesn't go through any character arc. He doesn't change. He never learned any valuable lesson. He broke all the rules with a brash mind, thinks on impulse constantly, and got rewarded for it.
isnt that the most star trek thing though? Kirk doesn't really ever learn anything until the movies. But even then. Does he really change? He still comes out of almost every no win scenario winning. Except when he dies but then he doesn't exactly learn anything from that. But yeah this was supposed to be a more updated better version so it should have had a character arch.
@@ringodax12 1) Kirk in the original series is way more level headed and not so brash or arrogant as presented in 2009. Original Kirk is also way more empathetic than reboot Kirk. Instead of using violation of regulations to maroon Reboot Kirk on a planet to relieve Spock of command on grounds of being compromised he low blows him about his dead mother.
2) Even if 2009 was going to be a retelling of Kirk's origin he still is nowhere near the level headed version of the character we see in the original series. So the film failed on that front as well
3) Using a show made in the 1960s with different sensibilities to deflect any criticism of a more modern film in the same franchise is not a logically sound argument.
With Nero, I think they needed to figure out how to leave the Klingon prison stuff in, to expand a bit more on Nero as a character, and to explain his ship. They could show, tell, or both, but "enrich" some of the story of the villain and they *WHY* of who they are.
I loved this video!
I would also like to thank you for getting me through these rather trying 12 months. You helped me more than you know!!!
By the way, I was working in at a movie theater at the time. One of us has to stand in the back of the IMAX to make sure no one stuck in. I volunteered and took a double shift opening day. So I got to watch it 9 times in a row! Loved it every time.
I love that you mentioned Michael Giacchino. I first saw his name on the soundtrack to "The Incredibles". There's a segment in the end titles that's supposed to evoke the James Bond films, and the score that accompanies it feels like it could have come from an actual Bond film.
I really liked this but I didn't love it
It may not have the movie I wanted but it definitely the movie we needed, the franchise was pretty much dead and they made a lot of smart choices to revive it
Agreed. I actually liked the first one reasonably well, the other two I think missed the mark and did a disservice to fans... over all it brought a lot of new energy to the franchise and opened the door to a broader fan base and new opportunities.
I became a Trekkie at age 11 myself after I saw this movie in theaters in that Summer of 2009 (turned 11 that August), I dressed up as Kirk that Halloween and I still remember the marketing for this movie, the kellogg's cereal badges and shirts (yes i still have them), the burger king toys and glasses (i have all 4 glasses), the playmates toys, the whole 9 yards. This movie inspired my career in the leadership aspects and pursuing your paths in life. I even saw this movie again in theaters a few weeks ago and it still holds up nostalgically.
I love that movie. I really loved the casting, how the actors sort of echoed TOS actors without outright imitating them. Part of the place it holds in my heart, aside from anything actually in the movie, is that I took my not-so-sci-fi fan teen son who was very much into bass trombone. And that sound track has a LOT of bass in it. My son kept elbowing me at moments of high drama and making me consciously listen to parts of the sound that were intended to be below consciousness, to build drama. So I missed a lot of the dialogue and emotional content on my first viewing, lol. I have watched it many times over since then, but I also bought the soundtrack. Anyway, this movie is very special to me. Thanks so much for this thoughtful review.
I really appreciate your balanced and non-toxic attitude toward nu-Trek. Generally, these kinds of videos lose my interest fairly quickly, but you had me hooked from start to finish. Thank you for that enjoyable 37 minutes out of my life.
I’m newish to trekking and this branch off, thingamabob, has been confusing me. I forgot if it was in your big ol’ video recently on the whole timeline. So to the toob and to Jessie I ran! And of course she delivers! ❤ thank you!
Im gonna have to rewatch the other video too
I'm 59, have witnessed with joy the entire history of Star Trek, and the first 10 minutes of this film is the most exciting 10 minutes of anything Trek, period. I too got chills at the trailer, and was blown away by the film. Third best in entire franchise, after Wrath Of Khan and First Contact.
The Uhura/Spock relationship was a nice nod to the fact that the now infamous '1st Inter-racial kiss on TV' between Kirk & Uhura was in the script Spock & Uhura until 'The Shats' complained and insisted that if anyone was going to be kissing the girl it would be him.
I was getting nostalgic at a time where I loved JJ Abrams (I still kinda do)... And then you played the "you're a Palpatine" part... AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHRRRFFSHDHDHJJUUUIII!!!
I really love Star Trek Into Darkness, maybe because it was the first Trek film I ever saw in theaters, and it was before I ever watched any of the shows, so it was the first thing about the franchise that I remember really loving. I liked Wrath of Kahn, but at the time it was just that movie my dad really loved to quote. I didn't know much about Star Trek ethos and Into Darkness, I feel, goes much deeper into the themes that I late adored TNG for. Conversely, I had a difficult time connecting with 2009 and I still do. One reason is probably the camera movements. I don't know why, given my love for JJ and his films (yeah I know, my opinion is wildly unpopular) but I hate the cinematography in this film. It is probably one of the things that keep me from feeling like I'm really in the world of the story.
Secondly, I was one of the five people on Earth who had no idea Kahn was going to be in the film. I was not following any of the press surrounding the film and, given that Wrath of Kahn was one of the films I HAD seen, I loved that character was brought back in a way that reversed the circumstances of the original. Nero to me was so much like Kahn that it bothered me. Same vengeance based backstory having to do with a dead planet and dead wife. I have no idea why I like that less than actually just doing Kahn again, but it did.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, I prefer when best friend characters actually are fun to watch together. Example? I love Toy Story 2 and I do not enjoy the first nearly as much. I enjoy watching the characters interacting in a less antagonistic way while exploring space. Ultimately, I love Star Trek Into Darkness and I do not get the hate. (Except the female character issues there's no arguing that). This is a very pointless breakdown and if anyone actually read this all the way to the end, good god. Why? Why did you do that?
I love STiD too, except for the last 10 minutes of the film. It quite possibly could have been the best ST film ever had they not did the Kirk/Spock reversal and made Spock into some sort of super-Spock. No need to bring Khan into it either, Harrison could have been an augment from Enterprise's Cold Station 12.
My all-time favorite treatment of Uhura is a fanfiction crossover between Star Trek and Babylon five where, among other things, she is promoted to captain and her ship is sent behind enemy lines for a critical intelligence gathering mission. The fic is called A Thin Veneer.
This is one of your best videos I've seen to date.
To be honest I've never understood why people have such a problem with these movies, to me it feels like longer TOS episode with updated visuals and social norms. Giving a human adoptive sister to a vulcan old school character with all the consequences it creates or the whole inconsistant mess that was Voyager is a bigger issue to me.
Soap Opera
I had seen a few Star Trek episodes as a young kid, but I didn't become a big fan until I was 10 in 2008. I got internet, and starting watching TOS on Netflix. I started hearing rumors of a new movie. I was super excited. 2009 rolls around, and I got to see it at the drive in, I sat though Transformers 2 in order to watch it. I was all in for the new film. I bought the toys, had the Burger King glasses (sadly they broke in the dish washer), and went as Kirk for Halloween. I still have all of my Kelvin merchandise. Taking everything into account, the good outweighs the bad. I hope the Kelvin Timeline continues in some form.
This was such fun to watch. First class editing! 🖖
I worried about this and bought into the, "Oh noes there ruining Star Trek," stuff, but the teaser trailer turned me around and I love it. Beyond is my favorite of the Kelvinverse films.
I never thought of it this way, but '09 was my 8th Star Trek movie I saw in the theaters.
Love your take on Star Trek. I was 3 when the original Star Trek started so I am a really old fan, lol. Watched that first series every week while sitting on my Dad's lap. And I loved all 3 newest movies. Thought they were fantastic.Enjoyed every minute and wished for more. I have seen all the movies at the cinemas, most several times. I just do not understand your problem with Insurrection. It celebrated ST, I think in a wonderful but maybe lighter way but not that much different then First Contact, which was also great. Ok maybe it didn't fill in any great Star Fleet history but it was a wonderful film. Anyway just had to get that cheering in for one of my fav ST films. Carry on. Have you thought of applying for the new ST series. You would be great on they're writers team . Truly, I really can see you being excellent at it. Why not give it a try?
I recently watched this movie and when they showed little Kirk driving the manual car my first thought was "I know for a fact Kirk can't drive stick I watched him try to drive that car on the gangster planet" later when they explained that Nero time traveling has changed the timeline I was like "oh hell yeah somebody is making fun of me for knowing that off the top of my head. That's really funny." I was on board for the movie after that actually.
I love how JJ Abrams grounded Trek in reality. After The X Men film then Batman Begins movies tones change. They was grounded in reality with a grittier tone
"Can I get that Star Trek To Be Continued... music?"
::Riff Plays::
:: I Immediately snort my morning coffee all over my computer::
When the first four notes of the original theme played at the beginning of the end credits, I burst into tears.
Something weird: the first time I watched this movie, it young and beautiful cast and the underlining of the military aspect of Starfleet reminded me of Startship Troopers.
My older brother and I would watch reruns of TOS and TNG everyday after school back in the early 90’s, We rented the classic trek movies on VHS as well. Little nine year old me was in tears when I saw Captain Kirk’s death in Generations back in 94.
It was the casting of Zachary Quinto and the return of Leonard Nemoy that had me sold on seeing Startrek (2009), My sole major complaint is that the villain needed more development.
Awesome video! Couldn’t agree more!
my grandpa was a big fan of star trek (original and next gen) and he and i saw all 3 movies (of the 2009 trilogy) together and i was amazed and loved the acting of actors and actresses like Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, John Cho, Anton Yelchin, Zoe Saldaña, Simon Pegg, and of course Leonard Nimoy. the most perfect cast ive seen in any movie franchise. the effects and soundtrack really brought me in with its bombastic score that escalated tense moments and made emotional ones better. This is J.J's better franchise which ironically enough he hated doing and the one he loved doing was star wars which is hated. A supposed 4th movie has been in limbo for forever and i would love to see it. I think if come out today would do amazingly well. The problem was it was made during the superhero and blockbuster genre era and everyone wanted to see the same type of movie not something new Star wars was announced to be working on a new trilogy by Disney marvel was at its start to its peak. I think with more movies like this would have done wonders just 14 years later. Also Chris Pine is an underrated actor and i wish he was in more better movies because I could tell hes the only one in dungeons and dragons and a wrinkle in time who has any Carisma and looks like they are trying.
In regards to the size of Enterprise, I always felt it made perfect sense in the context of the universe. The Kelvin existed in both timelines and that was a big ship. Probably built as a Galaxy Class styled deep space cruiser. Kelvin would be big even by 24th Century standards so clearly they began building them smaller in the Prime timeline. Probably because it was more economical and technology became smaller and more compact... BUT... in the new Kelvin timeline, that ship was wiped out. If it was the size of a Prime Constitution then it would have been obliterated. The only reason why it survived as long as it did was because of its immense size. Survivors come back and report what happens and suddenly Starfleet is concerned about their plans about scaling down their fleet. That coupled with their reduced desire to expand and explore means that you end up with a smaller fleet of much bigger ships. Enterprise was even launched in the 2250's when in Prime it was the 40's , indicating that Starfleet must have gone back to the drawing board at some point.
I have to admit, as a 7 or 8 year old in the cinema I had absolutely no idea what was going on with Old Spock and the black hole etc. But I loved it.
I've been a Star Trek fan since the '70s and I loved ST09. Yes, it's flawed, but it's also a lot of fun. Reenergized the franchise for the 21st century.
Pine was the only actor i thought was a bad fit. I thought he finally got it in the 3rd movie. The rest were amazing from the start.
Yes and yes on both points!
One could say these three movies were made to show the development of Kirk.
I owe so much to Star Trek 2009. It was the Trek I grew up with and it has changed my life
The Star Trek Prodigy writers agree with you about "FIRE EVERYTHING!" being a great line lol
One thing I will always love about the 2009 film was the way the cinematography of the ships in space really sold the sense of SCALE of these massive objects battling it out. The only other Star Trek film that managed to do that was The Motion Picture, which I love in spite of (partly because of?) its slowness.
My only real PROBLEM with the movie was the number of scenes that felt like "roughly inserted action beats for an ADD audience" such as the snow monsters, Scotty in the water tubes, and the "numb tongue" sequence. Otherwise, I felt like it was exactly what the franchise needed, when it needed it and I just enjoyed the hell out of it.
That's what I get for commenting before finishing the video; you mentioned the exact problems I had with the movie.
Excellent video Jessie
Yea - 2009 is a great Star Trek film
For me they really nailed the actors - prior to this film I couldn’t even imagine a new Kirk or McCoy - but they really did an amazing job casting and updating such a beloved cast
After Nemisis I wasn’t sure what the future held for Trek - ‘It’s dead Jim!’
But I thought they did a really good job of modernizing Star Trek and making it relevant for modern audiences and most importantly making Star Trek cool again
2009 film was cool - people I know that thought original Trek was ‘geeky and nerdy’ loved the 2009 film
Do you plan on making a video specifically about Into Darkness? Cuz I actually kinda liked it myself, and I'd be curious to see what you have to say about it.
I am!
I lost it at your use of the to be continued music!
There is always somebody who will end up forgiving something nonsensical as enough time flows by, I guess. I’ve seen it happen with a lot of stuff I used to love.
You just wait - in time even the degeneracy that is Star Trek: Picard will be justified and appreciated by somebody. Just you wait long enough.
RIP Star Trek, RIP Gene.
Finally, something I disagree with you about! I don't hate the film (I consider it a decent generic sci fi action movie), but I do find it very frustrating. For every good thing it did, I thought it did something silly to cancel it out. One element they did get right was the casting though. Zachary Quinto was especially good.
I also love Porthos, and think that Sisko should have had a dog.
I love that you loved it, it wasn't really my cup of tea, but then I am in the pro Insurrection camp
14:58 Is this the first time we saw a Romulan from a working class background? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Romulans we've een prior to this were all officers of their fleet or Tal Shiar operatives.
Im late but i saw this movie 3 times in cinema. Once alone, once with friends and one with my mum and brother and its just a solid time of a introduction or a love letter depending on your knowledge ❤
The thing I always loved about ST 09 is the concept of the kelvinverse. Its brilliant and very trek. you have a character from a universe like the main timeline go back and just start fucking around with events because he knows what happens. It's reminiscent of treks past with the evil alternative universe shenanigans, but it's such its own thing that could only be done in something like a movie. The kelvinverse isn't the evil universe just a different what if universe
gah you are young! TNG premiered when i was in high school! I got into TOS on re-runs as a young child in the mid/late 70s. probably around 77 - which is when i started to get into ST, SW, battlestar galactica, etc.
You’re a baby! I was watching TNG in elementary school! ;)
@@The_Gnome_Chomskee um, lol. If you were in elementary school and I was in high school when tng premiered that makes me older than you lol
The score evokes a sensation that says "this is a roided-out version of a 1960s TV show!"
I love it!
Really enjoy this video. 09 Trek made me fall in love with Trek, and it has issues, but it's also great imo:)
1:41 !!! JESSIE you got me rolling! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And we are so glad it did a bad job
People love 20 year old revivals. It’s been 18 years since Enterprise was cancelled. Maybe it’s time to dust off that Erik Jendresen script (Star Trek: The Beginning) that functioned as Enterprise season 5 that depicts the Earth-Romulan War. I have no doubt in my mind that Scott Bakula and company would return. Make it so!
"...in 2009 at the age of 11."
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I think Jessie fudged the numbers there. If Wikitubia is to be believed, she was born in '92, not '98.
This movie is what got me into Star Trek, and I'm currently hunting for TNG DVD lol
I absolutely love these movies, they're one of the few film series I've watched that don't put aside the plot for romance. Spock and Uhura have the only blatantly romantic relationship in the series and it isn't the focus and as an aromantic it brings me an absurd amount of joy. Romance doesn't need to be the main focus in every piece of media ever. These movies aren't about some romantic side plot, they're about the story and the action and I love them for it.
I do have a problem with the Lens Flare and what can only be called The Michael Bay ascetic of the Abrams movies. I like all of them, but, when they clutter up a frame in the action shots it is the Film Language equivilent of Purple Prose. There is so much going on in the action frames it makes it harder to follow the flow of events and instead forces the viewer to focus on extraneous details.
"Five Guys? Now I'm hungry" I feel that 😂
I couldn't agree more. The smartest thing they did was to branch it off into a separate reality, with a central terrifying event necessitating the need to push for more powerful ships to justify souped-up technology.
"Oh yeah, that's the stuff..." and that music.
Best line in the channels history.
While I'm not opposed to the idea of a reboot, I don't see why they couldn't just continue on from where Nemesis stopped rather than waiting 20 years. While I definitely consider the 2009 movie the best of the alternate timeline, it has plot holes that just can't be overlooked. Aside from the horrible use of simple physics, it takes short cuts to drive the plot forward and said short cuts slap the continuity of the franchise in the face. The idea was a good one but the execution was lacking and sadly it would only get 100% worse then it would just be "eh".
Love this. I'm such a huge fan of ST-09. I'd been into the TNG-Ent Star Trek era before those movies, but it was the Kelvinverse movies that really got me into the fandom.
Don't feel too bad about Porthos. Given how long had past, it was probably his great-great-great-grandson or something. He also didn't DIE... He just sort of disappeared. Maybe the Kelvinverse version of "Relics" is about Admiral Archer's dog turning up on the Enterprise D. (Of course, I'm the jerk who turned that dog into a Borg owned by the most annoying woman in the universe, so my opinion is really skewed).
I love both Nimoy and Peck, but Quinto is my Spock (Okay, all three are Spock because I adore Spock so I don't want to choose, but since I saw AOS before TOS, I'm a bit biased for Quinto). I really like how his version blends the Vulcan and Human sides in a way we rarely get to see in the Prime timeline. I personally headcanon that the Kelvinverse Michael Burnham (because in my head she exists in the Kelvinverse) didn't insult Spock in order to save his life, thus he never cut himself off from his human emotions. The idea of Spock going to his big sister to ask for tips for dating Uhura makes me happy.
I agree with a lot of your complaints and a lot of your praises. I really think the Kelvinverse movies didn't get a fair shake. Star Trek 09 and Star Trek Beyond are great movies. It's a shame they only did THOSE TWO. **glances around shiftily**
Why the hate on Into Darkness? I really loved this movie :'(
It has one of the most beautiful scenes in movie history and Star Trek history and an amazing example of visual storytelling at that (the one with Noel Clarke), and Benedict Cumberbatch may not be "your" Khan, but damn he can act, and he's an effective villain. Marcus was very well cast too, there weren't more plore contrivances than in 2009, lens flares didn't strike me as distracting, and it was again very well crafted. The fact that it acted as a mirror to TWoK (especially visible in the glass scene, with roles reversed and it being not a cumination of what Kirk and Spock had been through, but Spock realizing all they could have had and understanding why Kirk couldn't let him die) sells the fact that they took so many elements from it while the characters are still considerably younger.
...But okay, that underwear shot was *tacky*.
im so sorry, into darkness will always have a special place in my heart for being the first star trek...anything i ever watched, back then in the cinema, and, even worse, for having benedict cumberbatch as khan bc i still, against all odds, like that dude :00
JJ Abrams, otherwise known as "the destroyer of all franchises." Thank you for that genuine laugh-out-loud moment! I hope I didn't wake my roommate.
I agree the music is fricking amazing! Love it so much! One of the kids at my rink skated to this music & I always pretended to do my choreo, but was skating along! Best music for skating ever! Lol.
Love the cast too, except for Chris Pine. Not really his fault, but when everyone else is so spot on to the original cast,, he stands out like a sore thumb being so un-Kirklike. Yes, I get he's a young Kirk, but if you have the younger versions of the rest of the main characters be so similar to their originals, yet have your main character be so different, it makes no sense. Do that with ALL of them or not at all. 🤷
Really hated the rest of the movie too. Loved some individual scenes, but it is a mess. Oddly, enjoyed the last movie the most, although they wasted Iris Elba, like they wasted Eric Bana here.
This was actually my introduction to Star Trek. So it did bring in this fan.
At first I wasn’t sure if I was going to like this movie due to having a laddish tone at the start resulting in gripes & annoyances.
But the movie managed to pick itself up for me to call it a solid popcorn flick & one of the better Orci/Kurtzman screenplays.
4:07
Ffs you just had to make me cry didn't you 😂
Great video though,
The hobis star went nova and due to sela using the iconian gate that's why the explosion traveled between hobis and the romulan (erie) system
I don't know if this makes it better or worse, or no different, my understanding about the beagle that was "lost" was that it wasn't Porthos as it was much much later in the timeline, and Porthos sadly would have lived his full life. It's more likely it's one of Porthos lineage, or possibly an entirely different line.
If helps at all, think of it like this, (and it's how I'd like to think of it) - the dog was lost in a transporter accident. That means the likelihood is that the beagle passed into the Kelvin universe's mirror universe, (I'm assuming it has its own), and upon discovering this darker universe filled with oppressed people and fascist governments, set about overthrowing the regime, and now the Kelvin mirror universe is run by a race of super-intelligent, but benevolent dogs.
Of course, with transporter magic, anything could happen, and we could find the missing beagle turn up in the main universe in the future, and suddenly Picard has two furry friends, or maybe into Lower Decks, or far into the future on Discovery. Imagine being the temporal prime directive bureau trying to explain how a dog from the past and a whole other universe just turned up and somehow affected the fate of the main universe?
Yeah, I prefer the mirror universe running beagle personally.